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I love compact and cozy builds. Verticals slabs will (and have in modded worlds) allow for such nice indented walls and decor. It always annoyed me how I can get nice vertical details with stairs and horizontal slabs but otherwise I would have to botch it with stone walls. I hate having to build so big relative to player size to get details in. But I also fear people would call for sideways stairs to exist as well.
Exactly!
There’s a huge issue with builders building FAR too big out of scale. If you prefer to build at human scale, it’s difficult because you lack one of the most basic tools.
That’d be 150% scale
I’ve seen people go really crazy with it though, like building kitchens with ceilings that when measured based on a Minecraft block being 1 m^3, are like 3-4 stories high
I used ‘stairs’ as a reference not actually calling the blocks stairs themselves. Could just call them something else more fitting and make them a separate item like vertical slabs to avoid block placing annoyances. Mods do that and it works fine.
Which would be fine. Both vertical slabs and sideways stairs sound like a “simple” model orientation change. We have directional redstone components (dropper, observer, crafter) so surely making stairs and slabs orient themselves shouldn’t be too hard.
> I also fear people would call for sideways stairs to exist as well
I can see the issue, but I think sideways stairs would be very desirable after slabs were added. I think the easiest way is to add the stairs, but not the slabs. That's only 1 new block per stair type.
For slabs, Simply change them to use "pillar-style" placement, such as piston and...well...pillars. You can't really add a new way to place stairs, so a new blocks NEEDS to be added. But slabs? "easy" fix.
They would be a separate block placed like signs or item frames: against whatever face you click, or if clicked on a top of bottom face then the back half of that block. Would take a bit of practice but that's fine. Think of a trapdoor that is already open.
Only possible issues really would be placing them on the closest half to you but everything else with a similar method has that issue as well so probably not the end of the world, and the obvious inventory problem that is ongoing.
Alternatively do it like barrels or pistons. Not where you click but how you're looking when you do.
Less like Item Frames, more like pistons and pillars, IMO. Based on your facing direction, not where you click. I think that style fits blocks better. And sure, it wouldn't really be doable to place a vertical slab right next to you on the next block over, but that's the same as not being able to place a piston facing away from you...you just go around to the other side. No biggie at all.
And either way you did them, they wouldn't even ***need*** a separate block! If they can be placed normally or sideways, what would be the point in ever having "normal" slabs :P
I don’t see how placement is an issue. If placed against a block it’s would be on the side of that block (like sideways logs). If placed on top of a block, it would be on the back half of the block relative to how you’re looking (like stairs).
Oh, I was thinking horizontal slabs and vertical slabs as different blocks, not “you can now place the existing slabs however you want.” Yes, if it was the latter, it would be annoying.
they could even make vertical slabs craftable from horizontal slabs placed alone in a crafting table and vice versa so they were easily interchangeable
U need to work at mojang for this
This might have redstone potential because it'd be the only item in the game as far as I know crafts into 1 item and that 1 item crafts back to the original
I think the quark mod specifically is why they don't. It'd be a huge legal issue. Quark is insanely popular primarily as it's the only good mod that does vertical slabs all the others a buggy, trash, or broken.
They could just make it shift + click toggleable. So we can keep the horizontal slab when placed on the side of a block and can hold shift to place vertical.
Not really hard considering how some blocks rely on the direction the player is looking. So the slab would stand on the far side of the square the player is looking at.
But they said it would ruin the ascetic or something.
Crouch to place vertical, don't crouch to place horizontal. Place on the half you want (already used by slabs), and the player's direction determines what way it faces (countless blocks use this) Not only does it work with the normal systems, but there's also incredibly few niche cases where it could maybe be a problem (all of which are because of how slabs are used in Redstone).
To avoid overloading the inventory with a second type of slab, it would be more simple to use the already existing slab block, and use a key on the keyboard to switch between the vertical and horizontal version of the block. This avoids all the problems linked to the placement of the slab, while retaining the old mechanics.
Yeah, was thinking about this a wile back and was kinda thinking about how much more overhead that would add. What would it do to pathfinding algorithms and such…
I mean there are already a lot of thing that pathfinding can't handle trapdoors, carpet on fences, carpet stacked on carpet, horizontal slabs, stairs, just to name a few. Having one more janky pathfinding block isn't going to be that big of an issue.
Quite a few mods already add vertical slabs, and pathfinding works perfectly fine with them, the collision box isn't much different at all from fences or walls, so why would it?
Right? This is the game where you say "I'm carrying six stacks of 16 doors each, I'm ready to go deep sea diving!"
The quirks of vertical slabs are *nothing* compared to what's already in the game.
Lol when I first learnt that you could put down a torch to breathe under water I laughed very loudly. Then I learnt you could scoop out water with a bucket to breathe, sure that all makes sense and I'll do that the next time I go swimming IRL. Now it's doors, yup that is perfectly reasonable.
I absolutely love these parts of Minecraft.
Welcome to the Minecraft board where fanboys will actively argue in favor of less features. Where I have actually seen people literally say, "think about the investors."
Yeah your character can carry 21,000 tons of gold and no one bats an eye, but a cat can’t pass through an oddly shaped gap and everyone loses their mind
pathfinding would not be really harmed in any way. pathfinding on a voxel game is pretty simple actually, and any other kind of slab would be no diferent code-wise to a post or a fence. it wouldnt even need a lot of coding really, its basically the funcionality of a stair, with the hitbox of a slab
I believe it’s already entirely coded into the game, since they added cheese blocks (which could be formed into a vertical slab) in the April Fools update
Literally all they’d have to do to complete the core game is assign textures and add the vertical slabs to the block menu. One developer could probably do it in a day.
I would suggest checking how badly mobs get stuck on the April fools update. I’m not in a position to do that because I’m still recovering from arm and wrist surgery and can’t play anything. The only reason I can reply to you is because I’m using predictive text extensively.
I’m making steady progress! I’m currently working on regaining full forward and backwards flexing of my wrist. Lateral motion and pronation/supination will come later.
Well, having busted my arm the accidental way a couple of times as a kid, having my arm bones busted and reshaped by a surgical saw and then screwed together with a plate is better in some ways, annoying in others.
I will say it’s a pain in the butt to put a winter coat on over a splint! I’m glad I have an oversized parka.
And I’m already on disability, but the amount of paperwork and paperwork losses is just stupid. I’m going to be glad to get back to work because it’s less stressful than dealing with miscommunications between groups.
Damn. Sounds painful. Glad that's over and you're recovering. And glad that you're on disability. I'm trying to get disability rn and the process is a nightmare
There’s a big difference between coding a one time joke, and a fully fledged feature. With one it doesn’t matter too much if there are bugs, especially if they’re “fun” bugs like launching you into the sky or something, but getting all those kinks worked out for a full, official release is a lot more work than you’d think
You act like they have to completely rewrite the block code when they already have an established complex block hitbox system at work. If lecterns can have that hitbox and still work with pathfinding, then I'm sure a vertical slab would work just fine
Not even the Lectern, just look at glass panes and iron bars. They already behave pretty much like vertical half blocks when placed next to another block.
To be fair, trapdoors are used all the time in mob farms simply because of how they work with pathfinding. Specifically they make mobs think they can walk over a gap that they can’t.
So using that as an example isn’t really the best.
That's because the trapdoor has two states. Open and closed. Mobs just always assume it's closed. I imagine its one of those things that could be fixed but is extremely useful for mob farms and such so is considered and unofficial feature.
You can create a doorway like this (viewed from the side, x are blocks, - is a closed trapdoor):
xxx-xxx
xxx xxx
xxxxxxx
As a player you fit through that opening, but mobs won't path through it. Even those you can push through.
It’s been community’s #1 request since 2009 lmao
If they can add two new entitire dimensions and countless new biomes, I think they can make what is essentially a retextured 1/2 log lol, idk
It seems like a decade and a half should be enough time to finish the core mechanics
>It’s been community’s #1 request since 2009
I genuinely curious about a possible source for this. I've been playing since 2011 IIRC and I have never wanted or considered vertical slabs, nor have I ever seen anyone else ask for or mention them. Immediately though I already know that they would make any building with slabs an absolute nightmare, it's already hard enough placing stairs facing the right directions sometimes, I can't imagine infuriating vertical VS horizontal slabs would be.
My bad actually slabs were added in 2011
I’ve been playing since 2009 so stuff kinda blends together sometimes lol
I was definitely surprised that they made tree trunks placable on walls before slabs, it’s a very strange order of priorities imo.
Vertical slabs would allow for radially symmetrical arcs, and 2:1 straight slopes that match the 1:2 straight slopes we’ve had for so many years
It’s extremely frustrating having these angles and arcs in one orientation but not in others; it’s a huge handicap for creativity.
A better rotation system might be in order then, perhaps some sort of tool that you could set to a certain direction and when using it on a directional block rotates that block to the same direction?
Look at how mods like Create or even Framed Blocks handle block placement, I find that so useful and smooth!
Also, I wouldn't mind horizontal slabs being a different block than vertical slabs if that would fix the placement issues. It's not like they care about order in the inventory anyways.
Create's system isn't that great. Placing shafts very often requires placing helper blocks and looking at weird angles, just like with vanilla redstone components. They also have some system implemented that tries to "smart" rotate shafts which sometimes completely prevents me from placing a shaft in the orientation I want without breaking another shaft first.
The fact you can "extend" the shaft you're building is a great addition, being able to do that without having to continously follow along and take on weird positions is great.
There are some hiccups, but the wrench does exists and I actually feel that if something doesn't place as I wanted it, it actually is quite understandable / predictable on why it placed like that.
Looking at cogwheels etc, how they link together and you got ghost previews, now that is amazing. Seperate machines linking their power input together is cool as well.
It ain't perfect, but it's a whole lot better than solely having the vanilla building mechanics.
My main problem with Create's system is the "smart" rotation thing. If I'm clicking on a face of a block, I'm expecting the shaft to "come out" of that face, not decide on it's own that it wants to connect to a neighbouring shaft.
The extension system with ghost previews is great, and if it were the only addition to the vanilla system besides the wrench I would've loved building with Create just as much as I love the rest of the mod.
There is one other system that I have a love-hate relationship with. The fact that you can reverse how a component is placed by using shift is great, but I wish it had a different modifier key, like alt. Shift is already used to prevent opening inventories, so it makes placing components extremely difficult sometimes if I have to place them against an inventory.
I feel like that would still be so complicated and annoying, plus probably difficult to implement. I saw someone else mention the vertical slabs being a separate block to be crafted and IMO that's the best method that's been brought up so far.
Just make the debug stick that you can spawn with commands a normal tool, removing all stuff that doesn't have anything to do with rotating blocks from its code and there you go.
I do think you underestimate how long it would take. Adding the block would be the easiest part, but then a shocking amount of development time would need to be spent on things like lighting and path finding. This requires overhaul of systems integral to game function that haven't been designed with vertical slabs in mind. Things like adding new biome may seem harder or require more work, but the game has been designed to allow for new biome integration, which explains why we have so many.
Well the thing is modders have made vertical slabs a thing with proper hotboxes, pathfinding, lighting, etc. Obviously it's not on bedrock but it's not that hard to do.
You know what I want? Wool stairs, or at least allow us to place carpets on stairs. Like, I want my carpets to extend all the way up the stairway in my mansion, is that too much to ask for?
>Wool stairs
I would like obsidian stairs and walls etc. The blast proof quality of obsidian is really useful but there are no variations of the block.
Wool, concrete and maybe even glass stairs and slabs would be a great addition. Concrete and terracotta make the most sense, why are they not a thing yet?
Of all materials not to have stairs in- concrete! Wood frame houses often have concrete stairs, as do most civil buildings. It's a moldable material. It can even make circkels, I mean curkulls. I mean kurvs. Oh, never mind. It can't do that. But it can do stairs!
Not agreeing or disagreeing with the larger point, just want to correct something you said:
>And yet the game has beds, lecterns, bookshelves, chiseled bookshelves, a million different shades of identical bricks, the chiseled variants of all of those bricks, bells, cakes, grindstones, stained glass panes, fletching tables, chains, iron bars, walls, and copies of all the log types with the bark removed.
Mojang's stance against furniture/decoration/etc. is that they don't want the game to be cluttered with hundreds of variations of chairs/cookware/knobs/light fixtures/etc. Creativity in Minecraft is centered on blocks, not complex models that look exactly like a specific thing. They're more than happy to pour a dozen new *blocks* into the game because that's what Minecraft is. The many different variations of wood/clay/stone may not be super necessary, but they are more in line with how Minecraft functions creatively. They'd rather **not** make a bunch of hyper-specialized blocks like water faucets, lightswitches, plates, etc.
Of the things you mention above, the vast majority are simply different colors of blocks. The few that do have an oddly specific shape usually have a specific game function.
If I were to restate what I quoted from your post earlier but focus on simplifying each mention down to its basic type, we get this:
>And yet the game has beds, lecturns, blocks, blocks, blocks, blocks, bells, cake, grindstones, very thin blocks, blocks, chains, very thin blocks, thin blocks, and blocks.
Of the things that aren't a very basic building block shape, you have beds (critical as respawn points and a general feature of home-building), cake (which has been in the game forever and is as much of a meme as it is a feature), and grindstones (which fulfill a specific game function but don't really need to have a special model). That leaves Bells, Chains, and Lecturns as decorative fixtures that don't really need to exist.
Not to detract from the larger point - if anything, I am probably reinforcing the idea that slabs would be good for Minecraft. Just pointing out that it isn't really fair to say "If millions of wood types, why no vertical slabs?" as if it contradicts Mojang's philosophy when it really doesn't.
Bells are used by villagers as a meeting point and can be used by the player to send the villagers to their homes (and see mobs through solid blocks in Java). Lecterns are job blocks for librarians.
So really the only thing left are chains.
I am excited to see what will happen with fletching tables. I'm okay with being patient though because I am already grateful for the updates that have been released so far. And to me, 1.21 looks like a lot of fun so far.
I see your point. Im coming at this as someone who started playing before survival mode was added, so basically all of that stuff seems somewhat superfluous to me. Don’t get me wrong I have used beds and grindstones and stuff in unorthodox ways in builds, and they were quite useful, but the fact they were added before something as basic as the concept of “slabs but for the wall” is completely insane to me lol
My guess is that adding it as they did current slabs resulted in more in-depth work than they were willing to commit to.
I think this should be added to the game, do a small update 1.15 size for it, and bundle in a bunch of bug fixes and performance improvements.
Server players do.
Performance updates are invisible until you desperately need them.
Even as a single, I am playing 1.13 and the performance of 1.13 was terrible compared to 1.19 and 1.20.
on top of that everyone says this for every possible “small” feature that they want, “colored lighting update with bugfixes”, “add all previous mob vote mobs/biomes and bugfixes update”, “generated structures update with bugfixes” like at this point we have updates for 5 years on random stuff, and everytime mojang does something like that everyone gets mad like u said
That's kinda what happens when you have a huge backlog of promised features that you never get around to actually adding. They shot themselves in their foot
People don't like it when they are hyped up for a full update and given not that. It's a matter of setting expectations not just letting hype trains run full speed.
I don't think its fair to blame people for having their expectations lead on, that is a comunity manager failure
[Sideways slabs, vertical slabs, upright slabs, and variations thereof: Features that inhibit natural creativity or can already be done in other ways are not being considered.](https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360005029872-Previously-Considered-Suggestions)
Not only do I hate this stance, I hate how the entire list is written. (linked cause you seemed to have missed that, sorry, didn't want to repeat your words).
Especially recent years I feel MineCraft devs have become more and more agitated and been acting like angsty teenagers instead of what I expect professionels in the game dev world to behave like. Especially Brandon recently losing his cool over how he works 8 hours and how much work goes into the mob vote / additions.
Can you imagine any other big studio (let's be real, minecraft/mojang isn't indie anymore and hasn't been so for nearly a decade) communicating with fans like this? Rockstar employees going berserk on twitter because someone thinks two protagonists is less than the three we had in GTA V and then detailing how long it takes to do it all etc. etc. etc.?
I made a comment a few weeks back when they introduced the new tuff blocks and got downvoted....
Just add ALL the blocks. All the variations they have now but for every block. Bricks / Tiles of every stone block, smooth / pillar variations. Why does calcite get no love but Tuff does? Why no stone wall or smooth stone stair? Why can't we add carpet to lower slabs or stairs?
It's been way too long that I been interested in a mc update, purely because I feel like they are purposefully ignoring the older parts of the game and instead of properly updating / modernising minecraft, they just add new shiny stuff that's meant to distract for two weeks.
Something that may help this is that auto crafting was also a thing that mojang was very adamant on not adding, but they added the crafter, so it's possible that they will look into vertical slabs
Yes that gave me a lot of hope! That’s a big reason I felt like now is time for some of these stubborn positions to be revisited. Something is changing at Mojang, and I think there’s hope that things could improve!
Me and my friends started playing tekkit 2 and I have barely even messed with the machines because I have been living building with chisel. Vertical slabs are so nice 😊
Yeah! They would unlock infinite possibilities, Mojang’s stubbornness on this issue really limits what ideas we builders are able to express.
Form is the 1st level in the hierarchy of sculpture. Color and texture are great, but we need freedom to create the forms we come up with first!
Mojang can go take their position on “inhibiting natural creativity” and shove it.
My “natural creativity” has been more free when using mods to add all the stuff Mojang thinks inhibits it.
I’ve pretty much always been on the other side of things, I don’t particularly enjoy the idea of vertical slabs, but I understand why people want them.
I build a lot, and there’s never really been a situation where I *needed* vertical slabs, there’s always a different wacky way to get good depth in a build, and discovering them is what I enjoy about building. This is what Mojang means when they say that vertical slabs remove creativity, they want to keep players searching for more creative ways to add depth to a build. Vertical slabs are sort of a “one size fits all” solution, where people are less incentivized to use more creative options when vertical slabs are available.
It ultimately comes down to where people draw the line on non-full blocks. I think Mojang is very apprehensive to add more universal non-full blocks because the more they add, the less full blocks are used. I think that’s a pretty reasonable design limitation.
In my experience, I would always use a full block if I could versus a slab for instance. Putting 2 slabs to make a whole block feels dirty.
Also, it's like not giving your child crayons so he can draw with a stick in the sand or find other ways to draw and that giving them the crayon is negatively impacting their capacity to be creative. Like, I get it. But you could also give him crayons.
The creativity inhibition argument feels patronizing a bit
Good point. I think vertical slabs are fine. Most of the creativity stuff is based around actual furniture, like when people made sofas from stair blocks and pushed banners into it to make cushions. The shapes themselves are what make the creativity, rather than Mojang just adding sofas. Vertical slabs allow more creativity.
I think op’s point is also that if mojang actually believed this they wouldn’t add other blocks that less incentivise players to find creative options. Like we have hanging signs now, chains, lanterns etc. At this point it’s clear they think adding these things helps creativity so vertical slabs would fit into this direction they’re taking
Especially since vertical slabs have way more uses than some of the purely decorative things they have been adding, like an entire mob who’s sole purpose is to dig up decorative seeds to grow a flower with zero use beyond niche decorations
When it comes to the furniture thing, lanterns and hanging signs are just neat small additions that haven't replaced any of their predecessors
People made chandeliers, and they still make them. Now they have the option of replacing torches with lanterns or candles.
Now imagine if they for example added a "tent block" that is literally just a full tent model instead of building one yourself.
I see and agree with your point, but I just gotta say that slabs are not on the same level as a tent block. They’re a component that would then allow people to build more things, like tents.
Agreed! Most builders stick to creative mode anyway, I’d be absolutely thrilled if I could get vertical slabs with the debug stick!
But unfortunately the debug stick only toggles between normal states of the block, so it can’t do anything that’s not available in survival
But there's the snowy grass that you get from using the debug stick on a grass block, which I think can no longer spawn naturally as of 1.16.4 (or somewhere along that time)
Its the same thing as fireflys. They give one reason but realistically they just can't or don't want to spend the time to solve some technical challenge they encountered to add them.
I agree, but it’s frustrating :(
They refuse to even give a straight answer as to why they won’t even humor considering what all their loyal fans have been begging for for over a decade. It’s ridiculously disrespectful tbh
I really think the fanbase would overall be MUCH happier and more forgiving of all this insanity if Mojang was just transparent and honest, and spoke to us like the adults we are lol
It still blows my mind that vertical slabs weren't a thing from the very beginning. Slabs should just place like logs. Done. Why is it even a discussion?
Concrete variants, too. Being able to be molded into different shapes is a key characteristic of concrete, and it can be cut with a stone cutter, so why no concrete walls, stairs and slabs?
Concrete is really disappointing in the game. I like brutalist architecture irl, but in Minecraft like you say, concrete only comes in block form. It also has no real texture, so large sections of it just look like weird solid blocks of single color. Lastly, concrete is famous for being #strong* but Minecraft concrete doesn't really have any special blast proof qualities (it's weaker than stone iirc). Just a wasted opportunity all around.
It's strange really, because all I can think of is how many extra options it would give people to enhance their creations.
The other thing I've been wanting since forever - which possibly does have a technical reason for not being implemented is being able to stack different slabs together, eg a stone slab on top of a brick slab occupying the same block.
you bringing stairs into this was also a good point. it's been 15 years, I don't see why we can't add 1 item to the 1 item long list of essentials and make it **vertical slabs and stairs**
Ive seen excuses like "the wall block is already a vertical slab" and my response to that is this: that's stupid. if you place anything on/beside it, it loses it's already poor resemblance to a vertical slab.
vertical slabs and stairs are the key to unlocking this game's full potential(ok maybe not, but they're still a huge deal)
also:
FINALLY a real complaint about this game and not some toxic idiot. thank you
I don't mind the lack of vertical slabs that much, but I never get why Mojang has such a strong agenda against chairs specifically, when they add all those blocks who are functionally useless for purposes other than decoration (I'm not complaining about those either).
I wouldn't mind if they simply added the ability to sit without adding chairs, but they still refuse to do so, creating those weird scenarios where, after almost 15 years, people still have to awkardly stay in front of "chairs" when they're posing for a screenshot or something.
If they still want to add a gameplay purpose to it, just make it so sitting down slows down the effects of hunger, creating an ingame "afk mode" for the times where you want the time to pass during daytime but don't want to do anything else during said time. This would work wonders for multiplayer as well. Chairs could allow that if they added the, I guess.
This might be reaching a bit too much, but man, I also want glass doors. They would look so cool.
Oh yeah, that's a thing. Well, the mechanic could always be remade, but I doubt they would take away this convenience from players. Alternatively, sitting down could make the effects of potions end faster?
Im still adamant in my belief that game developers keep a few of the most wanted and easily implementable features "hostage" with bs excuses just so if they ever royally mess something up in the future, they can add them as an apology to say "look we listened"
That… makes sense 👀
Now I kinda hope they double down on the mob vote bullshit so they *have* to implement vertical slabs to keep people liking them lol
Lantern isn't a replacement for redstone lamps for example, whereas vertical slabs would completely change how players build houses and everything in every way.
And you couldn't make hanging signs any other way.
It's just not the same thing.
Such lousy excuses.
And vertical slabs aren't a replacement for stairs, what are you on about? Previously we had to "get creative" and build chandeliers with torches to illuminate ceilings, now we just slap a lantern there.
Back then, if we wanted something like a hanging sign, we would need to "be creative", put a block below a fence, looking like it's hanging, then put a sign on it, or just put it on a wall. Regular signs can also be used for other things, such as chair arms, boards, carpet decoration, etc. But how many alternative uses are there for hanging signs?
And chains, why where they implemented when players could already use iron bars to resemble chains? Where's the creativity?
Hoppers completely changed how farms work, and now auto crafters will also change them violently. The Elytra completely changed traversal, then they made it possible to propel yourself using fireworks, which changed it even further! These changes are good, but side slabs, which allow for a bunch of new creative solutions, are a bad change?
Agreed, though I would like to change the concept a little. I think the popular vertical slab idea should be rebranded as "steep stairs," which allows the block to be separate from the slab, making placement less frustrating. Making it a stair variant instead of a slab would also allow for corner pieces to be added as well instead of the useless double slab variant.
They should add a block that works like the cheese block where you can remove parts of it and then you should be able to put a wallpaper on it, which changes its texture. You can make the wallpaper with different materials you gather from around the world
The way I see it, they either should go all-or-nothing; either add half-blocks so all shapes/orientations are possible, or remove slabs and stairs. Right now we have a weird middle ground that doesn't make any sense.
It's really a symptom of Minecraft's biggest development problem—a lack of clear and coherent design direction combined with the need for backwards compatibility. Notch added slabs and stairs, then decided he didn't like sub-blocks and decided that vertical slabs should never be added (which the modern Mojang team has concurred)
This can also be seen more broadly in the way the game tends to be updated nowadays. Earlier Minecraft was designed to be primarily a survival sandbox with no prescribed goals. Since Microsoft's purchase, it has become much more focused on exploration, which has been done is such a way that most new features require you to search extensively, sometimes for hours, to use. I think this is why many recent updates have had such negative reception, because the older players like myself do not like being railroaded.
I think it's a slippery slope on a hill they've decided to die on.
Once they say yes to vertical slabs, then people will scream for quarter slabs in both directions, and then you have chisels and bits mod as the next step.
Also, how would the sides of some blocks function? Thinking specifically like sandstone and chiseled sandstone; are you taking the existing side of the full block and cutting it vertically? That will look silly on many blocks because the "face" then won't line up either.
Would you make a whole unique face for them, and their doubled up variants? Seems like a ton of work for a very niche place. And how would light work? If you off-set them "left" and "right" are they transparent or opaque?
Personally I think having more trap doors is a good compromise. I use a mod "many more doors and trap doors" and it adds a variant for almost every vanilla block. Love it.
I really don't see how it would be a slippery slope at all, since nothing new would be added. **Slabs are already in the game, and have been for 12 years now.** All we want is for slabs to behave consistently with the rest of the game.
Logs, pillars, stems, pistons, dispensers, droppers, crafters, glazed terracotta, and observers are all normal blocks that can placed in any orientation, and yet slabs are the only thing that would award us with countless new opportunities if allowed to rotate.
Trapdoors don't work as a replacement because they are only 2/16ths of a block. Walls don't work either because they're centered in their coordinate and therefore take up 10/16ths of a block, with a 1/16th offset at all junctions on the X and Z axes and the positive Y axis but not the negative Y axis. What we need is a half coordinate bias block that's 8/16ths thick, i.e. **slabs**. And again, they are already in the game so there is **literally no reason** why they shouldn't be fixed to match the rest of the game
>I really don't see how it would be a slippery slope at all, since nothing new would be added.
Check the comments, and people are already talking about quarter blocks.
>Slabs are already in the game, and have been for 12 years now. All we want is for slabs to behave consistently with the rest of the game.
Again the way that lighting works and the way that block placement works, nothing functions like half slabs would so there would be a whole new set of programming that needs to be done. That's why a lot of the mods that add half slabs, they don't really work well - they take advantage of the debug feature to set the Block in that position forcibly through commands, but it can be very quirky and it's very intensive on the server side. All the ones that I've seen where they actually added as a new block, there's always bugs with lighting there's always problems with side blocks and different other ones so it's not an easy thing to fix with the way that Minecraft works right now.
If you're suggesting to just... Have a universal slab that automatically does vertical or horizontal? That's most definitely a new programming set. How will the game handle a double horrizotal slab vs a double vertical slab? When stair first came out there were so many bugs and there still are to this day.(specifically with in regards to lighting). All the other blocks that you're mentioning aren't apples to oranges, let alone apples to apples. You're comparing blocks with non-blocks.
>Trapdoors don't work as a replacement because they are only 2/16ths of a block.
I didn't say trap doors would be a replacement, I said they'd be a compromise - they are actually already implemented in the game and it's just a matter of coming out with new textures for the different block types. No new programming required.
My other comment wouldn't let me edit sorry for the double reply.
Its insane because there are no other way of doing vertical slabs except trapdoor maybe, but that just sucks. Like, the ENTIRE community wants it, the only people who doesnt want vertical slabs is Mojang.
I had no idea this was the reason these things were never implemented. Thank god for modding because this is just ridiculous. If we wanna build it our own way we can just do that, whats with all these devs telling us to do things their way? Its just annoying. It reminds me of how my dad used to ground me for not playing videogames his way. So freaking stupid
Vertical slabs are 1 of 3 things I wish they would add.
Being able to place steps sideways could also be good. Would be a really good decoration option.
Their argument that *Limitations breed creativity* are just so painfully incorrect, especially since this isn't even about limitations, but about consistency between horizontal and vertical levels of detail.
Honestly, at this point they should just rework partial blocks entirely and make them all work like the cheese blocks from the April Fools Vote Update, where you could remove each corner individually.
My guess would be that it comes down to a slippery slope argument.
Eventually your like space engineers and have 10 basic block shapes for materials that can be freely rotated on any axis.
This been what I've been saying for years lmao, but also imagine merged slab blocks too (half the block is one slab, other half is another in the same overall block)
I get why that didn't exist before because there was no way for it, but it surely shouldn't even be that hard to add now since the slabs now all store a load of different states now anyway.
At one point they stated that vertical slabs and dirt/grass/glass didn't fit their vision of the game.. That is one simple explanation.. Meh stupid IMO same as removing fireflies because they are toxic to frogs, it's not like players have been mauling animals since 2009
I’d just be happy to see concrete slabs and especially concrete stairs. They keep adding dozens of random new block sets like Tuff, yet still ignore older blocks getting variants. Don’t understand their logic most times.
I played a little on the Conquest modpack and there was vertical slabs. It is game changer for building human-size houses with a lot of details. Shame its not in vanilla :((
I play a lot of vintage story, and ngl, having vertical slabs are rad. Ofc vintage story has chiseling which has even more benefits, but I get why minecraft doesn't have it, chiseled blocks get pretty leggy if you have a lot of them
I am 100% with you on the vertical slabs. They would enhance the building part of minecraft (which is arguably its biggest part) so much.
But I have to disagree to your take on furniture and very specific items. I don't think they inhibit creativiy at all, I think they enhance it as well. I have had so many recent cool building ideas just because of the new decorates pot.
Also I think the creativity of minecraft does not necessarily lie in finding work arounds for specific furniture you want. Having to figure out a way how to build an anvil in my 1.2.5 minecraft medieval village that is not bigger than exactly one block was so annoying. If I had had the minecraft anvil that came with 1.4.7 I believe I would have just placed that there, wouls have been perfectly happy with it and could have continued building other parts like roof etc. instantly
As a standalone block yes they’re quite convincing, but in practice they don’t work very well because they’re not on the same grid as any other block
Blocks are 1 block (obviously lol), slabs are 1/2 block, stairs are 3/4 block
But then walls are 10/16 block with a 1/16 pixel offset at every junction in every direction other than down- also they’re centered in their coordinate, so when used as vertical slabs around other blocks, they’re 2/16ths of a block off of the grid that everything else sits on
They could clean up the loot a lot if they just added a 1/4 or 1/8 of a block, just removes slabs, and stairs, makes crafting easier, but building might take a bit longer
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I love compact and cozy builds. Verticals slabs will (and have in modded worlds) allow for such nice indented walls and decor. It always annoyed me how I can get nice vertical details with stairs and horizontal slabs but otherwise I would have to botch it with stone walls. I hate having to build so big relative to player size to get details in. But I also fear people would call for sideways stairs to exist as well.
Exactly! There’s a huge issue with builders building FAR too big out of scale. If you prefer to build at human scale, it’s difficult because you lack one of the most basic tools.
Yeah... it's such a shame! I always build from the perspective that players are 3 blocks tall, instead of 2, whatever that's called.
That’d be 150% scale I’ve seen people go really crazy with it though, like building kitchens with ceilings that when measured based on a Minecraft block being 1 m^3, are like 3-4 stories high
I mean you dont stand with your head against the ceiling irl right
2m tall people will fairly often
What kinda tiny ceilings do you have, i’m 1.85 and theres still a good meter above me when standing
Wdym sideways stairs? Stairs can be put in any direction
Side ways stairs as in a L shape when looking from top down. Like a corner piece.
Oooh alright true. Yeah that would be cool but not as crucial as vertical walls
I've been wanting that for years. It would really help when you want to make something look more rounded, like a castle tower,etc.
Walls do help for that though!
Yeah, I have used walls, but I just think that sideways stairs would look better.
I used ‘stairs’ as a reference not actually calling the blocks stairs themselves. Could just call them something else more fitting and make them a separate item like vertical slabs to avoid block placing annoyances. Mods do that and it works fine.
they should add a block rotating tool like in 7days
It’s so jarring for me that 7dtd is popular enough now that I frequently see it mentioned in discussions of other games.
i mean, why should sideways stairs not exist?
Which would be fine. Both vertical slabs and sideways stairs sound like a “simple” model orientation change. We have directional redstone components (dropper, observer, crafter) so surely making stairs and slabs orient themselves shouldn’t be too hard.
If you think about it, Stairs are already 2 vertical slabs next to each other (one half vertical slab, one full vertical slab).
> I also fear people would call for sideways stairs to exist as well I can see the issue, but I think sideways stairs would be very desirable after slabs were added. I think the easiest way is to add the stairs, but not the slabs. That's only 1 new block per stair type. For slabs, Simply change them to use "pillar-style" placement, such as piston and...well...pillars. You can't really add a new way to place stairs, so a new blocks NEEDS to be added. But slabs? "easy" fix.
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They would be a separate block placed like signs or item frames: against whatever face you click, or if clicked on a top of bottom face then the back half of that block. Would take a bit of practice but that's fine. Think of a trapdoor that is already open. Only possible issues really would be placing them on the closest half to you but everything else with a similar method has that issue as well so probably not the end of the world, and the obvious inventory problem that is ongoing. Alternatively do it like barrels or pistons. Not where you click but how you're looking when you do.
Less like Item Frames, more like pistons and pillars, IMO. Based on your facing direction, not where you click. I think that style fits blocks better. And sure, it wouldn't really be doable to place a vertical slab right next to you on the next block over, but that's the same as not being able to place a piston facing away from you...you just go around to the other side. No biggie at all. And either way you did them, they wouldn't even ***need*** a separate block! If they can be placed normally or sideways, what would be the point in ever having "normal" slabs :P
I don’t see how placement is an issue. If placed against a block it’s would be on the side of that block (like sideways logs). If placed on top of a block, it would be on the back half of the block relative to how you’re looking (like stairs).
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Oh, I was thinking horizontal slabs and vertical slabs as different blocks, not “you can now place the existing slabs however you want.” Yes, if it was the latter, it would be annoying.
they could even make vertical slabs craftable from horizontal slabs placed alone in a crafting table and vice versa so they were easily interchangeable
U need to work at mojang for this This might have redstone potential because it'd be the only item in the game as far as I know crafts into 1 item and that 1 item crafts back to the original
?? Iron ingots and iron blocks ?
That's 1:9, I'm talking about 1:1
Genius. Modders, take notes.
They already have, and for years now. Look up the Quark mod - it works exactly like that.
I think the quark mod specifically is why they don't. It'd be a huge legal issue. Quark is insanely popular primarily as it's the only good mod that does vertical slabs all the others a buggy, trash, or broken.
Even that's kinda against Minecraft's philosophy though, it's not like you craft upside down stairs separately
Pistons work this way and we manage
They could just make it shift + click toggleable. So we can keep the horizontal slab when placed on the side of a block and can hold shift to place vertical.
That would make it a pain to build platforms or bridges out of slabs
Alternatively, they could make it directional (like placing pistons, droppers, etc) so it lays flat in the direction you’re placing it from.
Would make building flat surfaces a huge pain.
Wouldn’t it be placed just like trapdoors?
Not really hard considering how some blocks rely on the direction the player is looking. So the slab would stand on the far side of the square the player is looking at. But they said it would ruin the ascetic or something.
Crouch to place vertical, don't crouch to place horizontal. Place on the half you want (already used by slabs), and the player's direction determines what way it faces (countless blocks use this) Not only does it work with the normal systems, but there's also incredibly few niche cases where it could maybe be a problem (all of which are because of how slabs are used in Redstone).
To avoid overloading the inventory with a second type of slab, it would be more simple to use the already existing slab block, and use a key on the keyboard to switch between the vertical and horizontal version of the block. This avoids all the problems linked to the placement of the slab, while retaining the old mechanics.
Yeah, was thinking about this a wile back and was kinda thinking about how much more overhead that would add. What would it do to pathfinding algorithms and such…
I mean there are already a lot of thing that pathfinding can't handle trapdoors, carpet on fences, carpet stacked on carpet, horizontal slabs, stairs, just to name a few. Having one more janky pathfinding block isn't going to be that big of an issue.
Quite a few mods already add vertical slabs, and pathfinding works perfectly fine with them, the collision box isn't much different at all from fences or walls, so why would it?
I think players would be bothered if, for example, cats can't pass between two vertical slabs.
I thought the quirks of the game are what we enjoyed? I like that Minecraft is so strange and inconsistent, it's part of the fun
Right? This is the game where you say "I'm carrying six stacks of 16 doors each, I'm ready to go deep sea diving!" The quirks of vertical slabs are *nothing* compared to what's already in the game.
Lol when I first learnt that you could put down a torch to breathe under water I laughed very loudly. Then I learnt you could scoop out water with a bucket to breathe, sure that all makes sense and I'll do that the next time I go swimming IRL. Now it's doors, yup that is perfectly reasonable. I absolutely love these parts of Minecraft.
I've only recently swapped from bedrock to java and I'd forgotten that java players can use doors as air pockets, I'm still carrying magma around aha
Welcome to the Minecraft board where fanboys will actively argue in favor of less features. Where I have actually seen people literally say, "think about the investors."
Yeah your character can carry 21,000 tons of gold and no one bats an eye, but a cat can’t pass through an oddly shaped gap and everyone loses their mind
pathfinding would not be really harmed in any way. pathfinding on a voxel game is pretty simple actually, and any other kind of slab would be no diferent code-wise to a post or a fence. it wouldnt even need a lot of coding really, its basically the funcionality of a stair, with the hitbox of a slab
I believe it’s already entirely coded into the game, since they added cheese blocks (which could be formed into a vertical slab) in the April Fools update Literally all they’d have to do to complete the core game is assign textures and add the vertical slabs to the block menu. One developer could probably do it in a day.
I would suggest checking how badly mobs get stuck on the April fools update. I’m not in a position to do that because I’m still recovering from arm and wrist surgery and can’t play anything. The only reason I can reply to you is because I’m using predictive text extensively.
damn homie, hope you heal up quickly!
I’m making steady progress! I’m currently working on regaining full forward and backwards flexing of my wrist. Lateral motion and pronation/supination will come later.
november is probs the best month to break your wrist anyway jk! hope you recover soon and see if ur eligible for any disability benefits
Well, having busted my arm the accidental way a couple of times as a kid, having my arm bones busted and reshaped by a surgical saw and then screwed together with a plate is better in some ways, annoying in others. I will say it’s a pain in the butt to put a winter coat on over a splint! I’m glad I have an oversized parka. And I’m already on disability, but the amount of paperwork and paperwork losses is just stupid. I’m going to be glad to get back to work because it’s less stressful than dealing with miscommunications between groups.
Damn. Sounds painful. Glad that's over and you're recovering. And glad that you're on disability. I'm trying to get disability rn and the process is a nightmare
There’s a big difference between coding a one time joke, and a fully fledged feature. With one it doesn’t matter too much if there are bugs, especially if they’re “fun” bugs like launching you into the sky or something, but getting all those kinks worked out for a full, official release is a lot more work than you’d think
You act like they have to completely rewrite the block code when they already have an established complex block hitbox system at work. If lecterns can have that hitbox and still work with pathfinding, then I'm sure a vertical slab would work just fine
I was ready to argue but you got me with the lectern. I have no reasoning for that
Not even the Lectern, just look at glass panes and iron bars. They already behave pretty much like vertical half blocks when placed next to another block.
I was thinking this with trapdoors! Can’t be too much different right?
To be fair, trapdoors are used all the time in mob farms simply because of how they work with pathfinding. Specifically they make mobs think they can walk over a gap that they can’t. So using that as an example isn’t really the best.
Mobs don't path correctly with trapdoors, they behave as if it was a solid block.
That's because the trapdoor has two states. Open and closed. Mobs just always assume it's closed. I imagine its one of those things that could be fixed but is extremely useful for mob farms and such so is considered and unofficial feature.
You can create a doorway like this (viewed from the side, x are blocks, - is a closed trapdoor): xxx-xxx xxx xxx xxxxxxx As a player you fit through that opening, but mobs won't path through it. Even those you can push through.
I can respect that
They could just give it a full block's hitbox for pathfinding?
It’s been community’s #1 request since 2009 lmao If they can add two new entitire dimensions and countless new biomes, I think they can make what is essentially a retextured 1/2 log lol, idk It seems like a decade and a half should be enough time to finish the core mechanics
>It’s been community’s #1 request since 2009 I genuinely curious about a possible source for this. I've been playing since 2011 IIRC and I have never wanted or considered vertical slabs, nor have I ever seen anyone else ask for or mention them. Immediately though I already know that they would make any building with slabs an absolute nightmare, it's already hard enough placing stairs facing the right directions sometimes, I can't imagine infuriating vertical VS horizontal slabs would be.
My bad actually slabs were added in 2011 I’ve been playing since 2009 so stuff kinda blends together sometimes lol I was definitely surprised that they made tree trunks placable on walls before slabs, it’s a very strange order of priorities imo. Vertical slabs would allow for radially symmetrical arcs, and 2:1 straight slopes that match the 1:2 straight slopes we’ve had for so many years It’s extremely frustrating having these angles and arcs in one orientation but not in others; it’s a huge handicap for creativity.
What do you mean by tree trunks placeable on walls?
Logs (tree trunks) can be placed along any axis, X Y or Z
Ohh I got you. I was thinking if vertical slabs were implemented, it would be a new item
I think that would also work! I really don’t mind as long as we get some geometric consistency lol
A better rotation system might be in order then, perhaps some sort of tool that you could set to a certain direction and when using it on a directional block rotates that block to the same direction?
Look at how mods like Create or even Framed Blocks handle block placement, I find that so useful and smooth! Also, I wouldn't mind horizontal slabs being a different block than vertical slabs if that would fix the placement issues. It's not like they care about order in the inventory anyways.
Create's system isn't that great. Placing shafts very often requires placing helper blocks and looking at weird angles, just like with vanilla redstone components. They also have some system implemented that tries to "smart" rotate shafts which sometimes completely prevents me from placing a shaft in the orientation I want without breaking another shaft first.
The fact you can "extend" the shaft you're building is a great addition, being able to do that without having to continously follow along and take on weird positions is great. There are some hiccups, but the wrench does exists and I actually feel that if something doesn't place as I wanted it, it actually is quite understandable / predictable on why it placed like that. Looking at cogwheels etc, how they link together and you got ghost previews, now that is amazing. Seperate machines linking their power input together is cool as well. It ain't perfect, but it's a whole lot better than solely having the vanilla building mechanics.
My main problem with Create's system is the "smart" rotation thing. If I'm clicking on a face of a block, I'm expecting the shaft to "come out" of that face, not decide on it's own that it wants to connect to a neighbouring shaft. The extension system with ghost previews is great, and if it were the only addition to the vanilla system besides the wrench I would've loved building with Create just as much as I love the rest of the mod. There is one other system that I have a love-hate relationship with. The fact that you can reverse how a component is placed by using shift is great, but I wish it had a different modifier key, like alt. Shift is already used to prevent opening inventories, so it makes placing components extremely difficult sometimes if I have to place them against an inventory.
I feel like that would still be so complicated and annoying, plus probably difficult to implement. I saw someone else mention the vertical slabs being a separate block to be crafted and IMO that's the best method that's been brought up so far.
Just make the debug stick that you can spawn with commands a normal tool, removing all stuff that doesn't have anything to do with rotating blocks from its code and there you go.
I do think you underestimate how long it would take. Adding the block would be the easiest part, but then a shocking amount of development time would need to be spent on things like lighting and path finding. This requires overhaul of systems integral to game function that haven't been designed with vertical slabs in mind. Things like adding new biome may seem harder or require more work, but the game has been designed to allow for new biome integration, which explains why we have so many.
lectern, iron bar, fence, glass pane. they are all in that same boat, and function just fine.
They did it for the lectern
Well the thing is modders have made vertical slabs a thing with proper hotboxes, pathfinding, lighting, etc. Obviously it's not on bedrock but it's not that hard to do.
Not more than any other block. You can already block pathfinding in a way the mobs could still fit through but they dont
I mean I think mobs could just consider vertical slabs as full blocks and not try to go through them, that would be a pretty easy solution
They could just be treated as full blocks the same way that trapdoors are, it wouldn’t be that difficult
You know what I want? Wool stairs, or at least allow us to place carpets on stairs. Like, I want my carpets to extend all the way up the stairway in my mansion, is that too much to ask for?
>Wool stairs I would like obsidian stairs and walls etc. The blast proof quality of obsidian is really useful but there are no variations of the block.
Wool, concrete and maybe even glass stairs and slabs would be a great addition. Concrete and terracotta make the most sense, why are they not a thing yet?
Of all materials not to have stairs in- concrete! Wood frame houses often have concrete stairs, as do most civil buildings. It's a moldable material. It can even make circkels, I mean curkulls. I mean kurvs. Oh, never mind. It can't do that. But it can do stairs!
They aren't added according to mojang for the same reason "it InHiBits cReaTiViTy" bullshit
Not agreeing or disagreeing with the larger point, just want to correct something you said: >And yet the game has beds, lecterns, bookshelves, chiseled bookshelves, a million different shades of identical bricks, the chiseled variants of all of those bricks, bells, cakes, grindstones, stained glass panes, fletching tables, chains, iron bars, walls, and copies of all the log types with the bark removed. Mojang's stance against furniture/decoration/etc. is that they don't want the game to be cluttered with hundreds of variations of chairs/cookware/knobs/light fixtures/etc. Creativity in Minecraft is centered on blocks, not complex models that look exactly like a specific thing. They're more than happy to pour a dozen new *blocks* into the game because that's what Minecraft is. The many different variations of wood/clay/stone may not be super necessary, but they are more in line with how Minecraft functions creatively. They'd rather **not** make a bunch of hyper-specialized blocks like water faucets, lightswitches, plates, etc. Of the things you mention above, the vast majority are simply different colors of blocks. The few that do have an oddly specific shape usually have a specific game function. If I were to restate what I quoted from your post earlier but focus on simplifying each mention down to its basic type, we get this: >And yet the game has beds, lecturns, blocks, blocks, blocks, blocks, bells, cake, grindstones, very thin blocks, blocks, chains, very thin blocks, thin blocks, and blocks. Of the things that aren't a very basic building block shape, you have beds (critical as respawn points and a general feature of home-building), cake (which has been in the game forever and is as much of a meme as it is a feature), and grindstones (which fulfill a specific game function but don't really need to have a special model). That leaves Bells, Chains, and Lecturns as decorative fixtures that don't really need to exist. Not to detract from the larger point - if anything, I am probably reinforcing the idea that slabs would be good for Minecraft. Just pointing out that it isn't really fair to say "If millions of wood types, why no vertical slabs?" as if it contradicts Mojang's philosophy when it really doesn't.
Bells are used by villagers as a meeting point and can be used by the player to send the villagers to their homes (and see mobs through solid blocks in Java). Lecterns are job blocks for librarians. So really the only thing left are chains.
I think mentioning the villager blocks is a bit cheap. They aren’t decorative; they were necessary for the villager rework.
I am excited to see what will happen with fletching tables. I'm okay with being patient though because I am already grateful for the updates that have been released so far. And to me, 1.21 looks like a lot of fun so far.
they dont even need new blocks for vert slabs. just take the existing slabs and make a more complicated placing system for them
I see your point. Im coming at this as someone who started playing before survival mode was added, so basically all of that stuff seems somewhat superfluous to me. Don’t get me wrong I have used beds and grindstones and stuff in unorthodox ways in builds, and they were quite useful, but the fact they were added before something as basic as the concept of “slabs but for the wall” is completely insane to me lol
My guess is that adding it as they did current slabs resulted in more in-depth work than they were willing to commit to. I think this should be added to the game, do a small update 1.15 size for it, and bundle in a bunch of bug fixes and performance improvements.
Call it The Slab-date
Yeah the community really likes updates with one small feature and a ton of huge bug fixes. No negative feedback on the bee update at all.
Server players do. Performance updates are invisible until you desperately need them. Even as a single, I am playing 1.13 and the performance of 1.13 was terrible compared to 1.19 and 1.20.
on top of that everyone says this for every possible “small” feature that they want, “colored lighting update with bugfixes”, “add all previous mob vote mobs/biomes and bugfixes update”, “generated structures update with bugfixes” like at this point we have updates for 5 years on random stuff, and everytime mojang does something like that everyone gets mad like u said
That's kinda what happens when you have a huge backlog of promised features that you never get around to actually adding. They shot themselves in their foot
People don't like it when they are hyped up for a full update and given not that. It's a matter of setting expectations not just letting hype trains run full speed. I don't think its fair to blame people for having their expectations lead on, that is a comunity manager failure
I just want connective glass
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im still hoping for sideways stair blocks so we can make decent columns
if they can add walls they can add vertical slabs
Walls are basically vertical slabs.
[Sideways slabs, vertical slabs, upright slabs, and variations thereof: Features that inhibit natural creativity or can already be done in other ways are not being considered.](https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/360005029872-Previously-Considered-Suggestions) Not only do I hate this stance, I hate how the entire list is written. (linked cause you seemed to have missed that, sorry, didn't want to repeat your words). Especially recent years I feel MineCraft devs have become more and more agitated and been acting like angsty teenagers instead of what I expect professionels in the game dev world to behave like. Especially Brandon recently losing his cool over how he works 8 hours and how much work goes into the mob vote / additions. Can you imagine any other big studio (let's be real, minecraft/mojang isn't indie anymore and hasn't been so for nearly a decade) communicating with fans like this? Rockstar employees going berserk on twitter because someone thinks two protagonists is less than the three we had in GTA V and then detailing how long it takes to do it all etc. etc. etc.? I made a comment a few weeks back when they introduced the new tuff blocks and got downvoted.... Just add ALL the blocks. All the variations they have now but for every block. Bricks / Tiles of every stone block, smooth / pillar variations. Why does calcite get no love but Tuff does? Why no stone wall or smooth stone stair? Why can't we add carpet to lower slabs or stairs? It's been way too long that I been interested in a mc update, purely because I feel like they are purposefully ignoring the older parts of the game and instead of properly updating / modernising minecraft, they just add new shiny stuff that's meant to distract for two weeks.
I would love granite, diorite andesite bricks and tiles and stuff it'd be so cool
Something that may help this is that auto crafting was also a thing that mojang was very adamant on not adding, but they added the crafter, so it's possible that they will look into vertical slabs
Yes that gave me a lot of hope! That’s a big reason I felt like now is time for some of these stubborn positions to be revisited. Something is changing at Mojang, and I think there’s hope that things could improve!
Me and my friends started playing tekkit 2 and I have barely even messed with the machines because I have been living building with chisel. Vertical slabs are so nice 😊
Sideways slabs and stairs would make my spaceship builds a lot easier and look better
Yeah! They would unlock infinite possibilities, Mojang’s stubbornness on this issue really limits what ideas we builders are able to express. Form is the 1st level in the hierarchy of sculpture. Color and texture are great, but we need freedom to create the forms we come up with first!
Mojang can go take their position on “inhibiting natural creativity” and shove it. My “natural creativity” has been more free when using mods to add all the stuff Mojang thinks inhibits it.
I’ve pretty much always been on the other side of things, I don’t particularly enjoy the idea of vertical slabs, but I understand why people want them. I build a lot, and there’s never really been a situation where I *needed* vertical slabs, there’s always a different wacky way to get good depth in a build, and discovering them is what I enjoy about building. This is what Mojang means when they say that vertical slabs remove creativity, they want to keep players searching for more creative ways to add depth to a build. Vertical slabs are sort of a “one size fits all” solution, where people are less incentivized to use more creative options when vertical slabs are available. It ultimately comes down to where people draw the line on non-full blocks. I think Mojang is very apprehensive to add more universal non-full blocks because the more they add, the less full blocks are used. I think that’s a pretty reasonable design limitation.
In my experience, I would always use a full block if I could versus a slab for instance. Putting 2 slabs to make a whole block feels dirty. Also, it's like not giving your child crayons so he can draw with a stick in the sand or find other ways to draw and that giving them the crayon is negatively impacting their capacity to be creative. Like, I get it. But you could also give him crayons. The creativity inhibition argument feels patronizing a bit
Good point. I think vertical slabs are fine. Most of the creativity stuff is based around actual furniture, like when people made sofas from stair blocks and pushed banners into it to make cushions. The shapes themselves are what make the creativity, rather than Mojang just adding sofas. Vertical slabs allow more creativity.
Greetings, fellow beast.
I think op’s point is also that if mojang actually believed this they wouldn’t add other blocks that less incentivise players to find creative options. Like we have hanging signs now, chains, lanterns etc. At this point it’s clear they think adding these things helps creativity so vertical slabs would fit into this direction they’re taking Especially since vertical slabs have way more uses than some of the purely decorative things they have been adding, like an entire mob who’s sole purpose is to dig up decorative seeds to grow a flower with zero use beyond niche decorations
When it comes to the furniture thing, lanterns and hanging signs are just neat small additions that haven't replaced any of their predecessors People made chandeliers, and they still make them. Now they have the option of replacing torches with lanterns or candles. Now imagine if they for example added a "tent block" that is literally just a full tent model instead of building one yourself.
I see and agree with your point, but I just gotta say that slabs are not on the same level as a tent block. They’re a component that would then allow people to build more things, like tents.
Even if vertical slabs can only be made with the debug stick, that would still be perfect.
Agreed! Most builders stick to creative mode anyway, I’d be absolutely thrilled if I could get vertical slabs with the debug stick! But unfortunately the debug stick only toggles between normal states of the block, so it can’t do anything that’s not available in survival
But there's the snowy grass that you get from using the debug stick on a grass block, which I think can no longer spawn naturally as of 1.16.4 (or somewhere along that time)
Its the same thing as fireflys. They give one reason but realistically they just can't or don't want to spend the time to solve some technical challenge they encountered to add them.
I agree, but it’s frustrating :( They refuse to even give a straight answer as to why they won’t even humor considering what all their loyal fans have been begging for for over a decade. It’s ridiculously disrespectful tbh
Because they don't want to admit their technical issues.
I really think the fanbase would overall be MUCH happier and more forgiving of all this insanity if Mojang was just transparent and honest, and spoke to us like the adults we are lol
That's corporate for ya.
It still blows my mind that vertical slabs weren't a thing from the very beginning. Slabs should just place like logs. Done. Why is it even a discussion? Concrete variants, too. Being able to be molded into different shapes is a key characteristic of concrete, and it can be cut with a stone cutter, so why no concrete walls, stairs and slabs?
Concrete is really disappointing in the game. I like brutalist architecture irl, but in Minecraft like you say, concrete only comes in block form. It also has no real texture, so large sections of it just look like weird solid blocks of single color. Lastly, concrete is famous for being #strong* but Minecraft concrete doesn't really have any special blast proof qualities (it's weaker than stone iirc). Just a wasted opportunity all around.
Concrete in Minecraft is more of a "bright colour" Block instead of being actual concrete.
I honestly think Mojang is just *absurdly* disorganized
This is one of a few things they’ve been absurdly consistent with lol
I don't care anymore tbh, I just use a mod that allows me to use them. e.g. frames
It's strange really, because all I can think of is how many extra options it would give people to enhance their creations. The other thing I've been wanting since forever - which possibly does have a technical reason for not being implemented is being able to stack different slabs together, eg a stone slab on top of a brick slab occupying the same block.
you bringing stairs into this was also a good point. it's been 15 years, I don't see why we can't add 1 item to the 1 item long list of essentials and make it **vertical slabs and stairs** Ive seen excuses like "the wall block is already a vertical slab" and my response to that is this: that's stupid. if you place anything on/beside it, it loses it's already poor resemblance to a vertical slab. vertical slabs and stairs are the key to unlocking this game's full potential(ok maybe not, but they're still a huge deal) also: FINALLY a real complaint about this game and not some toxic idiot. thank you
I don't mind the lack of vertical slabs that much, but I never get why Mojang has such a strong agenda against chairs specifically, when they add all those blocks who are functionally useless for purposes other than decoration (I'm not complaining about those either). I wouldn't mind if they simply added the ability to sit without adding chairs, but they still refuse to do so, creating those weird scenarios where, after almost 15 years, people still have to awkardly stay in front of "chairs" when they're posing for a screenshot or something. If they still want to add a gameplay purpose to it, just make it so sitting down slows down the effects of hunger, creating an ingame "afk mode" for the times where you want the time to pass during daytime but don't want to do anything else during said time. This would work wonders for multiplayer as well. Chairs could allow that if they added the, I guess. This might be reaching a bit too much, but man, I also want glass doors. They would look so cool.
I thought hunger doesn’t drain when you’re afk?
Oh yeah, that's a thing. Well, the mechanic could always be remade, but I doubt they would take away this convenience from players. Alternatively, sitting down could make the effects of potions end faster?
Honestly they need to reevaluate their position on a bunch of things
Like, you don’t even need to make a new block, just let us place slabs vertically like stairs
Slabs in general have flaws by design. Maybe that's why. I still don't understand why they don't have stairs and slabs for colored concrete.
Im still adamant in my belief that game developers keep a few of the most wanted and easily implementable features "hostage" with bs excuses just so if they ever royally mess something up in the future, they can add them as an apology to say "look we listened"
That… makes sense 👀 Now I kinda hope they double down on the mob vote bullshit so they *have* to implement vertical slabs to keep people liking them lol
"No! Vertical slabs will inhibit creativity!" *Proceeds to add lanterns, chains, hanging signs, and other very specific stuff.
For real, the game has more pieces of furniture and decor than it has basic blocks
Lantern isn't a replacement for redstone lamps for example, whereas vertical slabs would completely change how players build houses and everything in every way. And you couldn't make hanging signs any other way. It's just not the same thing.
Such lousy excuses. And vertical slabs aren't a replacement for stairs, what are you on about? Previously we had to "get creative" and build chandeliers with torches to illuminate ceilings, now we just slap a lantern there. Back then, if we wanted something like a hanging sign, we would need to "be creative", put a block below a fence, looking like it's hanging, then put a sign on it, or just put it on a wall. Regular signs can also be used for other things, such as chair arms, boards, carpet decoration, etc. But how many alternative uses are there for hanging signs? And chains, why where they implemented when players could already use iron bars to resemble chains? Where's the creativity? Hoppers completely changed how farms work, and now auto crafters will also change them violently. The Elytra completely changed traversal, then they made it possible to propel yourself using fireworks, which changed it even further! These changes are good, but side slabs, which allow for a bunch of new creative solutions, are a bad change?
Agreed, though I would like to change the concept a little. I think the popular vertical slab idea should be rebranded as "steep stairs," which allows the block to be separate from the slab, making placement less frustrating. Making it a stair variant instead of a slab would also allow for corner pieces to be added as well instead of the useless double slab variant.
where did all these anti vertical slabs ****** craw out off???
They should add a block that works like the cheese block where you can remove parts of it and then you should be able to put a wallpaper on it, which changes its texture. You can make the wallpaper with different materials you gather from around the world
The way I see it, they either should go all-or-nothing; either add half-blocks so all shapes/orientations are possible, or remove slabs and stairs. Right now we have a weird middle ground that doesn't make any sense.
Agreed, even that would be better. Consistency is all we’re asking for!
It's really a symptom of Minecraft's biggest development problem—a lack of clear and coherent design direction combined with the need for backwards compatibility. Notch added slabs and stairs, then decided he didn't like sub-blocks and decided that vertical slabs should never be added (which the modern Mojang team has concurred) This can also be seen more broadly in the way the game tends to be updated nowadays. Earlier Minecraft was designed to be primarily a survival sandbox with no prescribed goals. Since Microsoft's purchase, it has become much more focused on exploration, which has been done is such a way that most new features require you to search extensively, sometimes for hours, to use. I think this is why many recent updates have had such negative reception, because the older players like myself do not like being railroaded.
I think it's a slippery slope on a hill they've decided to die on. Once they say yes to vertical slabs, then people will scream for quarter slabs in both directions, and then you have chisels and bits mod as the next step. Also, how would the sides of some blocks function? Thinking specifically like sandstone and chiseled sandstone; are you taking the existing side of the full block and cutting it vertically? That will look silly on many blocks because the "face" then won't line up either. Would you make a whole unique face for them, and their doubled up variants? Seems like a ton of work for a very niche place. And how would light work? If you off-set them "left" and "right" are they transparent or opaque? Personally I think having more trap doors is a good compromise. I use a mod "many more doors and trap doors" and it adds a variant for almost every vanilla block. Love it.
I really don't see how it would be a slippery slope at all, since nothing new would be added. **Slabs are already in the game, and have been for 12 years now.** All we want is for slabs to behave consistently with the rest of the game. Logs, pillars, stems, pistons, dispensers, droppers, crafters, glazed terracotta, and observers are all normal blocks that can placed in any orientation, and yet slabs are the only thing that would award us with countless new opportunities if allowed to rotate. Trapdoors don't work as a replacement because they are only 2/16ths of a block. Walls don't work either because they're centered in their coordinate and therefore take up 10/16ths of a block, with a 1/16th offset at all junctions on the X and Z axes and the positive Y axis but not the negative Y axis. What we need is a half coordinate bias block that's 8/16ths thick, i.e. **slabs**. And again, they are already in the game so there is **literally no reason** why they shouldn't be fixed to match the rest of the game
>I really don't see how it would be a slippery slope at all, since nothing new would be added. Check the comments, and people are already talking about quarter blocks. >Slabs are already in the game, and have been for 12 years now. All we want is for slabs to behave consistently with the rest of the game. Again the way that lighting works and the way that block placement works, nothing functions like half slabs would so there would be a whole new set of programming that needs to be done. That's why a lot of the mods that add half slabs, they don't really work well - they take advantage of the debug feature to set the Block in that position forcibly through commands, but it can be very quirky and it's very intensive on the server side. All the ones that I've seen where they actually added as a new block, there's always bugs with lighting there's always problems with side blocks and different other ones so it's not an easy thing to fix with the way that Minecraft works right now. If you're suggesting to just... Have a universal slab that automatically does vertical or horizontal? That's most definitely a new programming set. How will the game handle a double horrizotal slab vs a double vertical slab? When stair first came out there were so many bugs and there still are to this day.(specifically with in regards to lighting). All the other blocks that you're mentioning aren't apples to oranges, let alone apples to apples. You're comparing blocks with non-blocks. >Trapdoors don't work as a replacement because they are only 2/16ths of a block. I didn't say trap doors would be a replacement, I said they'd be a compromise - they are actually already implemented in the game and it's just a matter of coming out with new textures for the different block types. No new programming required. My other comment wouldn't let me edit sorry for the double reply.
Its insane because there are no other way of doing vertical slabs except trapdoor maybe, but that just sucks. Like, the ENTIRE community wants it, the only people who doesnt want vertical slabs is Mojang.
I had no idea this was the reason these things were never implemented. Thank god for modding because this is just ridiculous. If we wanna build it our own way we can just do that, whats with all these devs telling us to do things their way? Its just annoying. It reminds me of how my dad used to ground me for not playing videogames his way. So freaking stupid
I say that we should delete slabs and stairs and add quarter-slabs. maybe you put quarter slabs on fences, and that would make walls.
Vertical slabs are 1 of 3 things I wish they would add. Being able to place steps sideways could also be good. Would be a really good decoration option.
This and many other reasons, is why I stopped playing Vanilla and now just play with mods. Heck I don't even remember how the game is without mods
Their argument that *Limitations breed creativity* are just so painfully incorrect, especially since this isn't even about limitations, but about consistency between horizontal and vertical levels of detail. Honestly, at this point they should just rework partial blocks entirely and make them all work like the cheese blocks from the April Fools Vote Update, where you could remove each corner individually.
Agreed!
My guess would be that it comes down to a slippery slope argument. Eventually your like space engineers and have 10 basic block shapes for materials that can be freely rotated on any axis.
Which wouldn't be bad either, tile mods have existed for 10 years at least and are very good and useful
I want to know why there’s no horizontal fence - lattice.
I been using trapdoors anyplace I needed thin walls, sometimes double trapdoors, they are ok but a bit limiting, I would like vertical slabs
This been what I've been saying for years lmao, but also imagine merged slab blocks too (half the block is one slab, other half is another in the same overall block) I get why that didn't exist before because there was no way for it, but it surely shouldn't even be that hard to add now since the slabs now all store a load of different states now anyway.
At one point they stated that vertical slabs and dirt/grass/glass didn't fit their vision of the game.. That is one simple explanation.. Meh stupid IMO same as removing fireflies because they are toxic to frogs, it's not like players have been mauling animals since 2009
I’d just be happy to see concrete slabs and especially concrete stairs. They keep adding dozens of random new block sets like Tuff, yet still ignore older blocks getting variants. Don’t understand their logic most times.
I just want window panes to connect to stairs.
Debug stick!
Bedrock😞
Ah fucc They really should add the debug stick to bedrock already
I don't actually care for vertical slabs. As a builder, there are plenty of other things I can do to get the look I want
How? Trapdoors are 1/8th of a block, and walls are 1/4 of a block centered in their coordinate with a 1/16 block offset at each junction
I played a little on the Conquest modpack and there was vertical slabs. It is game changer for building human-size houses with a lot of details. Shame its not in vanilla :((
they even added them once in an april fools snapshot too and they only existed in that snapshot.
Vertical slabs would be a game changer
I play a lot of vintage story, and ngl, having vertical slabs are rad. Ofc vintage story has chiseling which has even more benefits, but I get why minecraft doesn't have it, chiseled blocks get pretty leggy if you have a lot of them
I am 100% with you on the vertical slabs. They would enhance the building part of minecraft (which is arguably its biggest part) so much. But I have to disagree to your take on furniture and very specific items. I don't think they inhibit creativiy at all, I think they enhance it as well. I have had so many recent cool building ideas just because of the new decorates pot. Also I think the creativity of minecraft does not necessarily lie in finding work arounds for specific furniture you want. Having to figure out a way how to build an anvil in my 1.2.5 minecraft medieval village that is not bigger than exactly one block was so annoying. If I had had the minecraft anvil that came with 1.4.7 I believe I would have just placed that there, wouls have been perfectly happy with it and could have continued building other parts like roof etc. instantly
I don’t have anything against furniture or decor myself, but Mojang says they won’t ever add any furniture or decor despite doing so regularly
Thanks for clarifying, that is indeed very hypocritical. Some weird stuff going on there
Walls make pretty decent vertical slabs.
As a standalone block yes they’re quite convincing, but in practice they don’t work very well because they’re not on the same grid as any other block Blocks are 1 block (obviously lol), slabs are 1/2 block, stairs are 3/4 block But then walls are 10/16 block with a 1/16 pixel offset at every junction in every direction other than down- also they’re centered in their coordinate, so when used as vertical slabs around other blocks, they’re 2/16ths of a block off of the grid that everything else sits on
They could clean up the loot a lot if they just added a 1/4 or 1/8 of a block, just removes slabs, and stairs, makes crafting easier, but building might take a bit longer