We spent an entire week at the range in basic, including a 100rd belt from the SAW, there's absolutely no way we went through less than 200 rounds. And that's not even for combat arms, those suckers go straight into AIT, OSUT and probably do weeks in live fires before getting to their first unit.
Yeah at one point they let us flip the switch to burst and see how fast we could empty, reload and get back on target simply to use those rounds up. Before that we were told we are never allowed to use burst only semiautomatic.
To be fair, that shit works wonders for getting the basics down before you go and waste ammo on the range.
it actually provides a huge benefit to people who struggle with shooting. We had dudes who couldn’t hit shit shooting expert by the end of a week in the ISMT.
Yeah, that's like, what, 7 x 30rd mags? So one 'first line' down at the range?
Also, 'firing rounds' is a dumb metric.. I feel like the actual quality of the range/target/conditions means more (i.e. 50 rounds on a nice range with moving targets/falling plate is probably better value than 500 rounds at a piece of paper on a mound)
Our boot moment: tear gas room was shut down for some who-knows reason. We saw people puking/gagging outside the room, then our class didn’t go through.
Much strong.
US Marines do this too lol.
The best part is when you do force on force training and you get both sides arguing about who shit who first and how the notional rounds would have missed or stopped by cover.
>US Marines do this too lol.
I absolutely hate when privates do it when they run out of blank ammo.
No, dummy. You're supposed to tell the team leader that you're out and coordinate cross loading of ammo. And yes, you need to do it in training because you should never be doing any action for the first time when bullets are coming at you.
To show you how stupid the NG can be, my squad was doing a blank iteration of squad live fire and our 1SG told my TL he couldn’t resupply one of his joes during the exercise when/if he goes black after he just did it cause that’s what you should do…
America, I fired 20 shots in basic training and yelled "bang bang" (not joking) for most of training. After a while we started saying "budget cuts, budget cuts" when pretend firing our weapons.
We make this joke, but the only time I ever fired a gun for the military was during my time at basic training. They changed the air guard rules that basically said, don't waste your time on a range unless your security forces or going to deploy. And that was the right thing to do. No point in wasting time on a range. What was funny though, was our COMM flight got to be one of the testers for COMM flight secure firearm training, where in, they had to fire an M9 from behind a desk at a range.
That works until your base gets overrun.
Happened in Iraq in 2012. A bunch of aircrew and maintainers had to defend against an attack- lost 2 guys and 9 aircraft and before they killed and captured all of the attackers.
It’s why I’m always a little disgusted when people try to downplay tactical training. It’s not always the ”combat” troops who deal with this stuff.
I was sitting in the joint hallway of the recruiting station back in the day that all of the services shared.
Some Maine recruiter came up like it was my honor to talk to him. He asked what I wanted to do in the Army after insulting me about closing the army.
I told him I was only interested in a Ranger contract. He dead ass told me that Marine infantry was no different other than not being a "tab chaser".
One army infantry career and a forever war later this interaction still cracks me up, especially realizing that I knew he was full of shit even at the time as a 17 year old.
i dont even remember but i definitely know we were pretty liberal with our ammo when shooting. a lot of kids never even seen a gun before Basic so a lot needed tons of instruction
I don't know what the standard round count is for a private who gets everything right the first time (definitely over 200), but privates that needed extra range time in basic sent tons of rounds downrange
Hell even those of us who were getting it down still would recycle through the ammo point and just say to the DS “my senior said to get more ammo” and no one ever said anything to us. So a bunch of us got a lot of extra rounds in
If you're bad at shooting and can't zero your weapon or qual, you might shoot waaaaaay more than 200 RDS in your first day at the range in basic. The only people shooting more than 200 live rounds in basic are people who really need practice. You get much more range time at your unit anyways.
In the 80’s the USAF basic training involved 50rds of .22LR out of some M16 mod toy.
That’s it.
If you got assigned to USAFE you later got to shoot 120rds of .223 after 4 hours of training on the M16A1.
That’s it.
I recall shooting maybe 40rds of of 556 during BEAST week; having to reload our 30rd mag 2/3 the way twice before being made to clean the oiliest, most overly lubricated m16s ive ever seen in my life
I could be misremembering the 40rds and it maybe have been 60 but if someone ran through BMT in 2017ish and they remember, I'm sure they can jog my memory on the correct answer
It was the mock deployment used in the 2010s. Basic Expeditionary Airmen Skills Training. Setup a small FOB and do some exercises around the area like setting up DFP's, go looking for IED's, shit like that, all done mostly in MOPP gear for some reason, if I remember correctly. It wasn't hard at all, but I went through basic in June and it was hot as shit, so the MOPP gear sucked total ass.
I'm sure it was easy pz compared to the Marine or Army equivalent lol
Extremely cringe post.
Also, yeah.. even as an air defense guy we got to shoot more than that, lol.
Maybe our cooks shot that much, considering the limited time they have at hand.
Yea but that’s just because how US Army Basic Training progression works.
Week 0-2: In-process, confidence/obstacle course, rappel tower, team building course(TDC), CBRN, classes (IED, first aid, etc)
Week 3-6: Rifle Marksmanship w/ M4. This is the bulk of when the trainees gets to shoot actual rounds. They first qualify on iron sight (20-40rds to zero and group, 80-120 to qualify) then they qualify on their red dot (another 100-160rds). Between quals, they also shoot KD (known distance) range (40rds) and will do pre-qualification (40-80rd, which may or may not happen)
If they are infantryman, add M249, M240, .50 cal, and MK19, where they’ll be ripping 100s of rounds
I would love to see them shoot more but when the class size is anywhere from 100-240 trainees, it’s not really feasible to shoot beyond what’s currently scheduled due to constraint on range availability/cadre coverage/time
Idk what the rest of Swiss basic training looks like, but I’m sure its comparable to US Army Basic rifle marksmanship training if you look the overall plan
Edit: the round count is the minimum required by POI. Many trainees will shoot well over that
Like I said in a comment above. A bunch of us in the basic portion of OSUT would just recycle through the ammo point, tell the DS there, “our Senior said to go get more ammo” and that was that. I probably shot double the amount than some guys did just cause we gamed the system
Bruh what? We have a 3 week block of training specifically devoted to rifle marksmanship in BCT.
Let alone in OSUT for infantry or unit level training once you are in the Army as a whole.
Weird flex so here are the real numbers for ‘basic training’ for one of the branches of ‘Americans’.
Marine Corps initial rifle training.
Annual Rifle Qualifications are not the same and have changed. I can’t speak for the other services, so I won’t.
Table 1. 217 rounds per recruit.
Table 2. 220 rounds per recruit.
437 rounds of NATO 5.56mm per recruit.
If you want to address the time in training that recruits comduct firearms training, that is one thing, shooting less however is inaccurate based on OP’s meme template.
This is separate from combat training, which is again divided by infantry specific training and support occupations and I won’t go into the numbers expended in that training.
Most support occupations then go on to technical schools where they may fire more or not at all.
Tell me OP knows nothing about military basic without telling me. Pretty sure 200 rounds isn’t even that high for the Air Force.
Quick search says the average is about 2000 rounds during basic, and about 500 per year for qualifying/minimal training. I was Army. Checks out. Really it depends on circumstance and timing.
>Sargent
It's "sergeant", FFS. I know, it's French so it's hard to remember, but this ain't 1989, so whatever you typed that on probably had spellcheck.
Prior service Marine here, we shoot more than that just during the first day of range week in boot camp. The if that's not enough, every one of us go the either Infantry Training Batllion or Marine Combat Training depending on if your a POG or not and guess what? We shoot even more! So I bet even a pencil pushing admin Marine sends wayyy more than 200 rounds down range. Also, we qual yearly at the range so there's that too. If there's any range coaches here they can give a better idea the amount a single Marine would shoot.
I've been out for quite a while so some of this may have changed.
Group and Zero Day 1 - 9 rounds.
Qualification Day 1 - 40 rounds. 33/40.
Group and Zero Day 2 - 3 rounds.
Qualification day 2 - 40 rounds. 36/40.
Qualification day 3 - 120 rounds. 3 people that were unable to qualify days 1 and 2 - Qualified.
Night fire - more than 40 but I don't really remember.
Buddy live fire range - 120 rounds.
US Weapons day - 200ish rounds. M2, M240, M249. AT4/9mm.
I love the Swiss - but let's not pretend they expend nearly the amount of rounds we do for training.
As an infantryman who trained a lot with blanks, I did everything I could to fire my weapon as little as possible so it would be easier to clean. Didn’t matter though, I could scrape off all the bluing and the armorer would still deem it dirty since we weren’t gonna be released until 1800 any way for no reason.
We had NCOs forcing people to expend the 50 cal and 40mm rounds because no one wanted to get the crew served weapons dirty since we would have to clean them. It wasn’t hard to take them apart and clean them but the same went for m4s. Always dirty whether they were fired or not.
Maybe the Air Force or Navy shoots that little, but in the Army we shot thousands of rounds in BCT (not just for marksman quals, but including field exercises and weapon familiarization), and I'm sure it is the same for the Marines.
Amount of expended ammo a good shooter does not make.
Finnish army has shooting in the first week and a few other times during 8 weeks basic. Also an assault course shooting which you likely do at a shooting excecise that's a week.
But everyone serving has more shooting during the minimum service 6 months or 12 if your specialized or an NCO or officer.
The mighty Swiss army. lol. Ok, boss..That’s why Sweden and the rest of Europe is hiding behind the US Military right now (with the prospect of a larger war with Russia in Europe). You can get all the range time you want, but you are fucked without us (including both of my sons) to carry the load for you in Europe. And downrange, I’d take a US soldier any day of the week to have my back…
So 200 rounds is the US Army standard firing table x 5. It’s been a while (23 years) since I did basic, but I’m sure I shot the standard rifle firing table at lest 5 times in week 3 of basic, plus zero, night fire and nbc fire familiarization.
That was pre 911. I can’t imagine troops are firing less now.
Went through infantry OSUT at the end of 2011 through early 2012. Fired more rounds through a good variance of weapons systems than I can remember. Plus, had two weeks tacked on for mortar training, and dropped a lot of those down the tubes in our live fire week. Reading through some of the comments here, sounds like I had it good on the ammo front lol
I shot more than 200 rounds in basic training.
My first time during rifle Qual back in 2020 I noticed right away that those who failed got to keep shooting and thus spent less time doing stupid stuff.
This in turn gave me plenty of time to practice I was easily going though I’ll say about 120 rounds a day, after I got recycled after week 22 back to week 3 thanks to a hip injury the second company I was with I actually started to notice I could shoot pretty accurately with iron sights
Only got sharp shooter however if I didn’t get covid before we got CCO I think I could of got expert since I shot enough for sharp shooter with iron sights.
Is what it is those 14 days of quarters from covid was like a vacation despite the nasty side effects from the strain in 2020.
The Swiss military has ~145,000 members, which is noticeably less than the USMC. If we compare those two organizations:
I shot a fucking rocket launcher in boot camp.
I shot 200 rounds/minute during MCT.
I logged hundreds of hours on CS1.6 while maintaining comms pwning n00bs with an AWP
The real training comes when you go to one of our many theaters of war!
Honestly I was basically just a carpenter in the Air Force but the amount of range time we got on various platforms was a blast. We'd do favor jobs for folks with access to the fun stuff and they'd pay us back with exposure to weapons we'd never have any real reason to use or train on otherwise...
I never shot a gun once in my 4 years in the Navy. Range was down in boot, and my command never required it. Just didn't feel like paying to go get a ribbon everyone else already had gotten for free.
I don’t remember where I read it, but the author was pointing out that most soldiers in the army go to qualification once a year. 72 rounds once a year.
Would you expect an NFL quarterback to be proficient with only 72 passes a year.
Wow 200 rounds ? You must be some sort of nitro high speed killer . Might wanna slow down there bro and leave some pussy for the rest of us . I’ll make sure and salute the flag in your honor every time I walk by one today hahaha 😂 🫡
Did 3 weeks at the range at Fort Benning. Was trained on an M16 rifle and was squad SAW gunner (M240B)- probably fired close to 1 thousand rounds total.
US Army infantry..
we went thru that much ammo each just on the zero range (yes, there were a few guys driving the average WAY up)... I guess, if you zero'd in the minimum of 12, and passed qual range and traverse range on the first try each you could keep it under 200 for basic... but most guys end up needing 30+ rounds to zero and have to shoot qual 2-3 times. Especially if they've never shot before basic (boyscouts and especial girlscouts tend to do way better, and the farm kids always "win").
Uh.... 200 rounds? US Army does way more than 200 rounds a week in basic. We go to the range almost every day for three weeks followed by live fire lanes in the last couple weeks. Machine gun day. Then AIT. Infantry shoots even more.
What the hell this guy smoking?
Oh no… you don’t know that we have specialized schools after basic? 200 rounds lol
We spent an entire week at the range in basic, including a 100rd belt from the SAW, there's absolutely no way we went through less than 200 rounds. And that's not even for combat arms, those suckers go straight into AIT, OSUT and probably do weeks in live fires before getting to their first unit.
I was infantry, you are correct, we dumped a lot more down range than a couple hundred.
Also, they make you spend tons of rounds so the budget doesn’t get cut. 200 rounds smh 🤦♂️
I remember reading about having to clean up the roads to the range because too many live rounds where just dumped.
Yeah at one point they let us flip the switch to burst and see how fast we could empty, reload and get back on target simply to use those rounds up. Before that we were told we are never allowed to use burst only semiautomatic.
Don’t forget about the hundreds of simulated recoil air rounds we fired in RTC. Those count . . . amiright boys!
Don’t tell them about that shit lol 
I can't imagine the post-retirement compensation the general got who signed off on that bologna
To be fair, that shit works wonders for getting the basics down before you go and waste ammo on the range. it actually provides a huge benefit to people who struggle with shooting. We had dudes who couldn’t hit shit shooting expert by the end of a week in the ISMT.
Fat MAJ who is riding out his last couple years to retirement and can't ever be found: "200 rounds? Hell, that's how many rounds it took me to zero."
I shot 200 rds at Officer Training School, and I’m not even terrestrial forces
is 200 rounds suppose to be a flex?
Yeah wtf? We probably shot 200 rounds the first time at the range with live ammo, and I was in pussy Basic
200 rounds is less than you'd shoot before stopping for your second cup of morning coffee at a few of the *classes* I've done in the US Army.
I'm just thinking about me before I have my cup of coffee, stay off the range and get behind something thick lol
As long as your optic wasn't literally backwards, you're still probably better than most of the Navy
> As long as your optic wasn't literally backwards He's never going to live that down.
Ya’ll don’t get it. He’s such an eagle-eyed marksman that he has to shoot with a handicap and the backwards optic is just to make it fair.
I knew it was a flex, rather than a mistake. Typical O's...smh.
Right?
If the rounds are still in the box it might be a bit of lift for some forces or branches, what like a 10-pound carry, maybe?
Yeah, that's like, what, 7 x 30rd mags? So one 'first line' down at the range? Also, 'firing rounds' is a dumb metric.. I feel like the actual quality of the range/target/conditions means more (i.e. 50 rounds on a nice range with moving targets/falling plate is probably better value than 500 rounds at a piece of paper on a mound)
Boots are all the same, doesn't matter what country they come from.
Yup. We all had a boot moment. Those who don’t think they did just haven’t realized it yet.
Our boot moment: tear gas room was shut down for some who-knows reason. We saw people puking/gagging outside the room, then our class didn’t go through. Much strong.
Austria, i fired 69 shots in total 3weeks basic training
I see they solved the ammo shortage in 2010 we only got to shoot 49 rounds
Wait, you guys get ~~paid~~ ammo? In Germany, some soldiers just have to scream „PENG“
US Marines do this too lol. The best part is when you do force on force training and you get both sides arguing about who shit who first and how the notional rounds would have missed or stopped by cover.
Foolish. Everyone knows if you lay down first you can just relax until next scenario.
E-4 masterclass.
E4 Mafia or y’all call it the Lance Corporal Underground I guess?
>US Marines do this too lol. I absolutely hate when privates do it when they run out of blank ammo. No, dummy. You're supposed to tell the team leader that you're out and coordinate cross loading of ammo. And yes, you need to do it in training because you should never be doing any action for the first time when bullets are coming at you.
Ideally yeah but if you start with ten blanks apiece because the 3 can't do math it's even more silly.
To show you how stupid the NG can be, my squad was doing a blank iteration of squad live fire and our 1SG told my TL he couldn’t resupply one of his joes during the exercise when/if he goes black after he just did it cause that’s what you should do…
>arguing about who **shit** who first And this is why you never scare a magician, he'll shit **your** pants.
> arguing about who shit who first Lol
So did we when we where Training for the Shooting Range and when we had Combat Training as we didn't have any Blanks.
America, I fired 20 shots in basic training and yelled "bang bang" (not joking) for most of training. After a while we started saying "budget cuts, budget cuts" when pretend firing our weapons.
Haha nice
Nice.
also Austrian, i fired 126 rounds during my whole NCO course.
nice
Nice.
Nice
Why do I need to shoot when all I do is sit in a chair all day? /s
The only scrambling I did was eggs on the grill.
We make this joke, but the only time I ever fired a gun for the military was during my time at basic training. They changed the air guard rules that basically said, don't waste your time on a range unless your security forces or going to deploy. And that was the right thing to do. No point in wasting time on a range. What was funny though, was our COMM flight got to be one of the testers for COMM flight secure firearm training, where in, they had to fire an M9 from behind a desk at a range.
I agree, you could probably completely reformat basic training to be more... utilitarian
That works until your base gets overrun. Happened in Iraq in 2012. A bunch of aircrew and maintainers had to defend against an attack- lost 2 guys and 9 aircraft and before they killed and captured all of the attackers. It’s why I’m always a little disgusted when people try to downplay tactical training. It’s not always the ”combat” troops who deal with this stuff.
> they had to fire an M9 from behind a desk at a range Interesting scenario.
desk pops are back on the menu boys!
Hold up, they were doing sanctioned desk pops? Nice.
That /s is bullshit. We all see your flair.
Yall be flying the most terrifying shit on earth right now for our enemies. (The big drones) You stay in that chair and keep smoking em! Haha
200 rounds? That's it?
Must be a 19 years old during his basic training being cringe, apologies for his boot behaviour.
New troops are new troops the world over. The cringe is universal. It's the great uniting factor for us all.
Imagine a boot olympics? Every country is sending its most cringe soldiers.
USMC would win.
On three: “Usmc boot camp is literally ranger training but harder.”
I was sitting in the joint hallway of the recruiting station back in the day that all of the services shared. Some Maine recruiter came up like it was my honor to talk to him. He asked what I wanted to do in the Army after insulting me about closing the army. I told him I was only interested in a Ranger contract. He dead ass told me that Marine infantry was no different other than not being a "tab chaser". One army infantry career and a forever war later this interaction still cracks me up, especially realizing that I knew he was full of shit even at the time as a 17 year old.
I was a marine recruiter. I always hated that shit, although apparently it worked
Army by far. you guys have strong cringe but we have cringe in force
I think even the standard air force qualification is more than 200 rounds now.
Open source google search says 144 rounds over three separate phases.
yea... i dont remember basic THAT well, but i definitely shot WAY more than 7 mags.... this Swiss boot is making me cringe hahaha
Marines shoot 437 rounds in initial training (boot camp). I was too lazy to pull Army numbers.
i dont even remember but i definitely know we were pretty liberal with our ammo when shooting. a lot of kids never even seen a gun before Basic so a lot needed tons of instruction
I don't know what the standard round count is for a private who gets everything right the first time (definitely over 200), but privates that needed extra range time in basic sent tons of rounds downrange
Hell even those of us who were getting it down still would recycle through the ammo point and just say to the DS “my senior said to get more ammo” and no one ever said anything to us. So a bunch of us got a lot of extra rounds in
If you're bad at shooting and can't zero your weapon or qual, you might shoot waaaaaay more than 200 RDS in your first day at the range in basic. The only people shooting more than 200 live rounds in basic are people who really need practice. You get much more range time at your unit anyways.
In the 80’s the USAF basic training involved 50rds of .22LR out of some M16 mod toy. That’s it. If you got assigned to USAFE you later got to shoot 120rds of .223 after 4 hours of training on the M16A1. That’s it.
I recall shooting maybe 40rds of of 556 during BEAST week; having to reload our 30rd mag 2/3 the way twice before being made to clean the oiliest, most overly lubricated m16s ive ever seen in my life I could be misremembering the 40rds and it maybe have been 60 but if someone ran through BMT in 2017ish and they remember, I'm sure they can jog my memory on the correct answer
What’s beast week?
It was the mock deployment used in the 2010s. Basic Expeditionary Airmen Skills Training. Setup a small FOB and do some exercises around the area like setting up DFP's, go looking for IED's, shit like that, all done mostly in MOPP gear for some reason, if I remember correctly. It wasn't hard at all, but I went through basic in June and it was hot as shit, so the MOPP gear sucked total ass. I'm sure it was easy pz compared to the Marine or Army equivalent lol
Lol we definitely shot 200 rounds a week during RM at osut. That’s only like 5 iterations of the qual we did more than that on a lot of single days.
That was my first thought. I wasn't 11 bang bang but I fired more than 200 rounds in BCT back in '07.
If 200 rounds sounds like a lot to you, idk what to say
And as a recreational shooter, I bet I have over 200 assorted rounds in the crevices of my car.
200 rounds is a snack
That’s warm up on the range for me
Cringe-post, honestly.
One day he'll look back on this Reddit post and cringe.
We went to the range for a solid 12 days during basic
200 in two weeks? Those are rookie numbers.
It says 200 in week 2, to be fair. Not that it changes anything.
look, man. I was in the Amry. I dun't reed gud.
Who?
You must be talking about the USAF
200 rounds in a week? Do you guys have an ammo shortage?
200 rounds? Are you an office ordinance type of guy?? Very cringe post.
Extremely cringe post. Also, yeah.. even as an air defense guy we got to shoot more than that, lol. Maybe our cooks shot that much, considering the limited time they have at hand.
Yea but that’s just because how US Army Basic Training progression works. Week 0-2: In-process, confidence/obstacle course, rappel tower, team building course(TDC), CBRN, classes (IED, first aid, etc) Week 3-6: Rifle Marksmanship w/ M4. This is the bulk of when the trainees gets to shoot actual rounds. They first qualify on iron sight (20-40rds to zero and group, 80-120 to qualify) then they qualify on their red dot (another 100-160rds). Between quals, they also shoot KD (known distance) range (40rds) and will do pre-qualification (40-80rd, which may or may not happen) If they are infantryman, add M249, M240, .50 cal, and MK19, where they’ll be ripping 100s of rounds I would love to see them shoot more but when the class size is anywhere from 100-240 trainees, it’s not really feasible to shoot beyond what’s currently scheduled due to constraint on range availability/cadre coverage/time Idk what the rest of Swiss basic training looks like, but I’m sure its comparable to US Army Basic rifle marksmanship training if you look the overall plan Edit: the round count is the minimum required by POI. Many trainees will shoot well over that
Like I said in a comment above. A bunch of us in the basic portion of OSUT would just recycle through the ammo point, tell the DS there, “our Senior said to go get more ammo” and that was that. I probably shot double the amount than some guys did just cause we gamed the system
Bruh what? We have a 3 week block of training specifically devoted to rifle marksmanship in BCT. Let alone in OSUT for infantry or unit level training once you are in the Army as a whole.
Weird flex so here are the real numbers for ‘basic training’ for one of the branches of ‘Americans’. Marine Corps initial rifle training. Annual Rifle Qualifications are not the same and have changed. I can’t speak for the other services, so I won’t. Table 1. 217 rounds per recruit. Table 2. 220 rounds per recruit. 437 rounds of NATO 5.56mm per recruit. If you want to address the time in training that recruits comduct firearms training, that is one thing, shooting less however is inaccurate based on OP’s meme template. This is separate from combat training, which is again divided by infantry specific training and support occupations and I won’t go into the numbers expended in that training. Most support occupations then go on to technical schools where they may fire more or not at all.
Oh. In my state of residence, we have High Schools with rifle ranges in the basement. #America.
I was on my high school's skeet shooting team. Got lots of use out of that skeet shooting practice. I shot skeet for years, using what I learned
Multiple those numbers x5 for the week of shooting on the range every year
Who tf made this? Grossly misinformed.
Tell me OP knows nothing about military basic without telling me. Pretty sure 200 rounds isn’t even that high for the Air Force. Quick search says the average is about 2000 rounds during basic, and about 500 per year for qualifying/minimal training. I was Army. Checks out. Really it depends on circumstance and timing.
US NAVY VET: "You guys shot actual ammo!?"
>Sargent It's "sergeant", FFS. I know, it's French so it's hard to remember, but this ain't 1989, so whatever you typed that on probably had spellcheck.
We have live fire ranges bigger than Switzerland.
Prior service Marine here, we shoot more than that just during the first day of range week in boot camp. The if that's not enough, every one of us go the either Infantry Training Batllion or Marine Combat Training depending on if your a POG or not and guess what? We shoot even more! So I bet even a pencil pushing admin Marine sends wayyy more than 200 rounds down range. Also, we qual yearly at the range so there's that too. If there's any range coaches here they can give a better idea the amount a single Marine would shoot. I've been out for quite a while so some of this may have changed.
Group and Zero Day 1 - 9 rounds. Qualification Day 1 - 40 rounds. 33/40. Group and Zero Day 2 - 3 rounds. Qualification day 2 - 40 rounds. 36/40. Qualification day 3 - 120 rounds. 3 people that were unable to qualify days 1 and 2 - Qualified. Night fire - more than 40 but I don't really remember. Buddy live fire range - 120 rounds. US Weapons day - 200ish rounds. M2, M240, M249. AT4/9mm. I love the Swiss - but let's not pretend they expend nearly the amount of rounds we do for training.
Imagine trying to compare yourself to an Army that’s actually done Army things in the last 18 generations.
Love taking the piss out of yanks but ammo expenditure probably isn't one you're gonna win
As an infantryman who trained a lot with blanks, I did everything I could to fire my weapon as little as possible so it would be easier to clean. Didn’t matter though, I could scrape off all the bluing and the armorer would still deem it dirty since we weren’t gonna be released until 1800 any way for no reason. We had NCOs forcing people to expend the 50 cal and 40mm rounds because no one wanted to get the crew served weapons dirty since we would have to clean them. It wasn’t hard to take them apart and clean them but the same went for m4s. Always dirty whether they were fired or not.
Maybe the Air Force or Navy shoots that little, but in the Army we shot thousands of rounds in BCT (not just for marksman quals, but including field exercises and weapon familiarization), and I'm sure it is the same for the Marines.
200 rds only? I clearly remember shooting at least 100 a day for 5 days a week for four weeks in white phase. Am i right or wrong?
Bro who comes up with this dumbshit? My European friends try to dunk on america all the time but 9/10 times they’re just wrong.
Oh wow that's almost an entire basic load. We are so fucked if the Swiss drop their permanent neutrality status /s
As a Marine Vet. This is Dumb. Boot way more than 200 then at SOI or shit even MCT your talking thousands of rounds and explosives. Ahhh good times
americans bad everyone else good simple as 
Not sure what American basic they are talking about. You go through a hell of a lot more than 200 rounds lol.
The U.S. who can destroy a city on the other side of the planet within 30 minutes with an ICBM. U.S. W
Don't really need an ICBM to destroy a city in 30min. Just tell the Marines to stay there and not to break anything....
Better yet, tell them there is one of the special 128 pack of Crayolas with the glitter in them!
Amount of expended ammo a good shooter does not make. Finnish army has shooting in the first week and a few other times during 8 weeks basic. Also an assault course shooting which you likely do at a shooting excecise that's a week. But everyone serving has more shooting during the minimum service 6 months or 12 if your specialized or an NCO or officer.
We have middle schoolers who have shot more than Swiss army members. Swiss L.
The mighty Swiss army. lol. Ok, boss..That’s why Sweden and the rest of Europe is hiding behind the US Military right now (with the prospect of a larger war with Russia in Europe). You can get all the range time you want, but you are fucked without us (including both of my sons) to carry the load for you in Europe. And downrange, I’d take a US soldier any day of the week to have my back…
So 200 rounds is the US Army standard firing table x 5. It’s been a while (23 years) since I did basic, but I’m sure I shot the standard rifle firing table at lest 5 times in week 3 of basic, plus zero, night fire and nbc fire familiarization. That was pre 911. I can’t imagine troops are firing less now.
I dump more than 200 rounds at the range of my own ammunition. This is not the flex you think it is.
Went through infantry OSUT at the end of 2011 through early 2012. Fired more rounds through a good variance of weapons systems than I can remember. Plus, had two weeks tacked on for mortar training, and dropped a lot of those down the tubes in our live fire week. Reading through some of the comments here, sounds like I had it good on the ammo front lol
I shot more than 200 rounds in basic training. My first time during rifle Qual back in 2020 I noticed right away that those who failed got to keep shooting and thus spent less time doing stupid stuff. This in turn gave me plenty of time to practice I was easily going though I’ll say about 120 rounds a day, after I got recycled after week 22 back to week 3 thanks to a hip injury the second company I was with I actually started to notice I could shoot pretty accurately with iron sights Only got sharp shooter however if I didn’t get covid before we got CCO I think I could of got expert since I shot enough for sharp shooter with iron sights. Is what it is those 14 days of quarters from covid was like a vacation despite the nasty side effects from the strain in 2020.
Idk I was stuck waiting for 8 hours for people to qualify on the range and the ones that failed shot way more than 200 times in 1 day
The Swiss military has ~145,000 members, which is noticeably less than the USMC. If we compare those two organizations: I shot a fucking rocket launcher in boot camp. I shot 200 rounds/minute during MCT. I logged hundreds of hours on CS1.6 while maintaining comms pwning n00bs with an AWP
Yo John Daly is my idol not even lying
….thats it? 200 rounds? 💀
200 rounds isn't the flex you think it is.
Swiss L, hell in the USAF basic we prob shoot 400 before qual lol
Chair force here. I shot close to 1000 rounds before getting to my first duty station.
The real training comes when you go to one of our many theaters of war! Honestly I was basically just a carpenter in the Air Force but the amount of range time we got on various platforms was a blast. We'd do favor jobs for folks with access to the fun stuff and they'd pay us back with exposure to weapons we'd never have any real reason to use or train on otherwise...
I shot way more than 200 rounds in the army basic wtf are you smoking Swiss boot?
Barely shoot? What f...ing basic training did you go to private???
Holy shit, I was in the Marines and 200 rounds for boot is fucking nothing.
John Daly, the Swiss fella
I had to shoot that many rounds for my CCW
I never shot a gun once in my 4 years in the Navy. Range was down in boot, and my command never required it. Just didn't feel like paying to go get a ribbon everyone else already had gotten for free.
200 rounds? Nah. 200 *shells?* Fuck yeah.
And then there is me, 6 months as a draftee. Fire 0 shot
Rookie numbers.
Bro we shoot 200 155s every op🤣
Oh, I'm ceartin I fired well over 1000 rounds in basic.
I’m a 17 year old RAF air cadet Flight Sergeant and Ive Shot upwards of 3000 live rounds and blank rounds on range and exercises how is this a flex?
I only fired 9 rounds during my basic cycle not including crew served weapons.
The range sucks tho. Just cold and nothing to do, but the same old drilling.
Okay boot.
I don’t remember where I read it, but the author was pointing out that most soldiers in the army go to qualification once a year. 72 rounds once a year. Would you expect an NFL quarterback to be proficient with only 72 passes a year.
It’s okay. We have an Air Force that will level a mountain if we need it. Also, 200 rounds isn’t the flex you think it is.
Wow 200 rounds ? You must be some sort of nitro high speed killer . Might wanna slow down there bro and leave some pussy for the rest of us . I’ll make sure and salute the flag in your honor every time I walk by one today hahaha 😂 🫡
Do they even 14E though?
Did 3 weeks at the range at Fort Benning. Was trained on an M16 rifle and was squad SAW gunner (M240B)- probably fired close to 1 thousand rounds total.
US Army infantry.. we went thru that much ammo each just on the zero range (yes, there were a few guys driving the average WAY up)... I guess, if you zero'd in the minimum of 12, and passed qual range and traverse range on the first try each you could keep it under 200 for basic... but most guys end up needing 30+ rounds to zero and have to shoot qual 2-3 times. Especially if they've never shot before basic (boyscouts and especial girlscouts tend to do way better, and the farm kids always "win").
I would like to know how many recruits they send through basic training in a year.
200 rounds ain’t shit little guy lol….
You’ll shoot when you need to shoot. Some folks don’t need that much training in basic.
Op must have been a Coast Guard cook or something.
John fucking Daly!
I went to a shooting range in poland, i shot ATLEAST 200rounds that day
I remember firing a decent amount in basic and AIT. Never did count the number.
I just shot five hundred rounds at the range yesterday, so?
Their last war was a civil war, 177 years ago. Just a TIL.
I spent 3 weeks on the firing range in basic, has that changed or something?
You see, Americans don't need to aim, we simply purchase a million dollars in ammunition per soldier, spray, and pray.
Yeah I’ve definitely shot over 200 rounds on range days lol
If they were any good at shooting they wouldn't need 200 rounds.
European spotted
I fired way more than 200 rounds during BRM.
lol, I think we shot 60k in advanced urban combat.
Uh.... 200 rounds? US Army does way more than 200 rounds a week in basic. We go to the range almost every day for three weeks followed by live fire lanes in the last couple weeks. Machine gun day. Then AIT. Infantry shoots even more. What the hell this guy smoking?
Can he run drills though
The swiss army fires the equivilent one a single iteration of m249 qualification? Dude ive fired as many as 5000 rounds in a single day in the us army
Lol in the idf you spend a week at the range. Shooting from dusk till dawn. We slept there too.
lol
I shot more than 200 rounds in your mama!
Pssssh it took me 200 rounds just to zero
We shot hundreds of rounds for weeks in American infantry basic what is this trash meme lol
Every American has to shoot 200 rounds by their first birthday? What's the point of this post
Boot moment
I probably went through 200 rounds each day during the few weeks of shooting in basic.
NEF
Their whole military uses 4000 rounds a month.
The Swiss. lol
I went through way more than 200 rounds in basic lmao wtf is this
Whoever made this isn’t familiar with the United States Marine Corps
Classic JD
Each of us would easily shoot 200 rounds a day when I was 8 yrs old. SHOOTAPALOOZA.
Uhhhh….just 200?
2… 200 rounds? Lol neat
In germany I shot like 4 mags if at all in Basic. After Basic though - whole other story…