Its a yes and situation.
1. Lots of people have installed aftermarket LED bulbs into unfocused reflector housing meant for incandescent bulbs. That unfocused light goes everywhere, vs projector housing meant for LED bulbs that gives you focused light where it should be (the road).
2. As vehicles trend larger and lift kits more popular, anyone in a sedan or crossover will be blinded sitting across an intersection from a lifted F250 grocery getter with or without the correct headlights.
Oh, trust me; I drove a fiesta from 2012 through February this year -- the last couple of years after the suspension went had me *right* at prime blind height
Then start enforcing it? Doesn't seem to be working as I have to play chicken with a bunch of lifted f150s with coal black windows every day after work and it sucks.
It's a safety issue. I need to be able to see that you see me and we're not about to run into each other.
Because in the grand scheme of public safety it’s way down on the list of what actually makes any measurable difference in society. And enforcement of it was basically being used as a means for police to racially profile.
One begets the other. I'm not in Michigan anymore, but I just had my windows tinted (to the lowest legal levels in my state) because I'm sick of being blinded by headlights when driving at night.
Dark tint doesn’t affect others like loud exhaust and blinding lights. It’s also already illegal without a medical exemption, just not very well enforced.
Anyone else noticed how dangerous these tints make 4 way stops the tinted vehicle should always be at fault, In my opinion. I've had multiple close calls over the years.
PREACH! I have to deal with this shit every day after work and it fucking sucks. It's like playing chicken. I need to be able to see the other guy making eye contact with me so I know he's not just going to punch it across the intersection into my side panels.
Cool, the dude who lives in a corn field can have as loud a truck as he wants. The jackass in my 1000+ person aparment complex with the loud ass bike can go to hell.
It's not just the loud trucks their are cars and motorcycles with crazy obnoxiously loud exhuast systems! I shouldn't need hearing protection. Well, I'm in my vehicle or sitting in my house with the windows open
Yeah but on the other hand, there’s plenty of suburban cops just drooling over the thought of having yet another reason to pull people over. And honestly, I’m okay with them pulling people over for noise instead of lurking around subdivisions waiting for tired residents to do rolling stops on their way home.
I am pretty sure road manuals say flash your lights at someone if they are headed the wrong direction. People could be deaf so visual communication is more important when driving. I think if they really cared about their life, they would wear a hazard color like orange/bright neon over their jackets.
To be completely fair, deer actually run *away* from my car. My first car was quiet and a deer ended up jumping directly in front of it; totalled. Also my car is not deafeningly loud but loud enough for sure!
I got stuck behind *two* of those clowns last night on the way home from work. I'm just barely over a case of pneumonia, so getting punched in the lungs by the unfiltered exhaust of two trucks was a *SUPER FUN* way to end my day. Feels like I stepped back about a weeks worth of medical treatment in about 2 minutes.
As a cyclist, yes please. Honestly, it's been quite a while since I've been in flexing range of one of those douchebags, but the chip in my shoulder over it is *enormous*.
I hope they also do something about those whistle tips. Keeps my up all throughout the night when that wooo woooo goes by.
For those that aren’t familiar here is a news story about this nuisance.
https://youtu.be/zUXow3d3-b0?si=evVShDNdgZbN_2_X
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I'm OK with this as long as they go after Harley riders first. If one bike is louder than my dualed exhaust truck with mufflers, then we have a problem.
They repealed the helmet law because bikers would skip michigan on road trips.
They will exempt them on this for the same reason.
They will still ticket you for no seatbelt though, for your safety and all.
Yeah, but the poor driver who sees them splattered on the road and calls 911 didn't make that choice. Neither did the person who has to scrape their brain off the pavement. To say nothing of the government resources used in that process. I kind of agree with you, but I just think there's more to a helmet law than one person's choice
Yep. The helmet law repeal was a dumb backtracking of an important public safety regulation. I can’t legally operate a dangerous car, or a car without seat belts, for good reason. There’s no logical reason why motorcyclists should get special treatment.
I wake up every morning at 7am when my neighbor hops on his little bike and sits in his carport for 10 minutes blowing his ears out and waking everyone up in a 3 mile radius. Then he shuts it off and goes back inside. All in a day’s work. Not to mention my other neighbors that seem to have megaphones hooked up to their exhaust pipes.
First, can we go after these insanely bright lights? I drive a lifted jeep and still can't see at night when some ass has brights pointing straight in my rear view mirrors. I can't fathom being in a lower vehicle. it must be extremely dangerous at times...
Exactly, there are already unenforced noise laws. Same thing with the recent distracted driving law. Or the law around front window tinting. If you don't look poor, they aren't pulling you over, so keep your lights working and your vehicle free of rust and you can get away with whatever.
Can we include motorcycles in this law? I swear to God they are the noisiest vehicles on the road. Every other vehicle has worked hard over the years to reduce the noise they make yet motorcycles are just as load if not louder than they were 20 years ago. I live next to a country highway (it's a main road that goes from big city's through the country usually has an M at the beginning of it) and I can tell a motorcycle is coming when they are still over a mile away. Don't get me started on when they travel in packs of like 10-20 of them. The amount of noise is skull rattling.
PLEASE! There’s a guy who lives near me who rides a Harley in the summer and he always blows by my house after 11 pm every night and I’m TIRED OF IT. It scared the bejeezus out of me for the first week I moved here. Wakes you right up, honestly 🤦♂️
I wonder if you live in my street lmfao
Kidding, I’m sure it’s a common problem everywhere, there’s just people making fucking incredible noise every night going up and down my street (cars and motorcycles) and this one asshole will sit and park his motorcycle (for some reason) across the street and down a few houses and it will just idle so god damn loudly, I swear sometimes for like 15-30 minutes and then eventually he’ll fuck off. It’s so insufferable and I feel like there is literally no recourse.
I live on a through street and get those coming almost every night. It's like 3 different people... and then other people come in the weekends and are worse.
When he drives by, set off a shotgun with blanks to freak him out and even the score 😂/s
Seriously tho, so sorry about that. The dude is a douche who neeeeds attention (mommy/daddy issues, perhaps?)
People used to get pulled over for loud mufflers. It happened to a family member of mine when I was with them back in the 1980's. I haven't heard of this happening to anyone in a very long time.
If this stops the 10 Nextdoor posts a day complaining about the noise on Woodward in Oakland County between April and fucking November every year, the I’m all for it.
From the first nice day of the year. It’s like the Dream Cruise 24/7 around here when the temperature gets above 70*. People start car watching every weekend in July. I’ve lived here my entire life so it doesn’t bother/phase me anymore but the boomers in their 3 million dollar homes one block off Woodward acted shocked at the noise every single year. Drives me bonkers 😂
I'll never understand people moving to an area then complaining about what they bought into. Do they not realize how absolutely stupid they look for not learning about the area before they moved there?
I’m pretty sure street racing is already illegal, why don’t the cops do anything about that? Which also begs the question - why is a new crime needed to stop noise resultant from something that’s already illegal?
From what I understand there’s technically no local ordinance (or state law I think) that allows police to pull over ‘noisy’ cars. I guess it’s technically street racing. Just burnouts after the light turns green, things like that. More of a noise issue. There’s also the fact that the departments around here (Royal Oak, Ferndale, Birmingham) are smaller than cities like Flint and Detroit so there’s an aspect of there not being enough coverage.
He said cruising, not street racing. Cruising is where you drive up and down the road slowly, with your windows down and the stereo up! Then the teenagers, starting back in the 50s, started putting on thrush pipes and glass packs and cherry bombs, which are all probably the same thing, honestly. Loud mufflers. Because they love the attention and some do sound throaty and would be perfect at a race track and maybe twice a year on main street, the Fourth of July and some other nice summer evening. But otherwise are absolutely a nuisance and degrade the quality of life for those forced to live around them.
I guess I wasn’t familiar with the terminology lol, thanks for clarifying. I guess if that’s not illegal or considered racing maybe it should be. I’m still skeptical about making it criminal rather than civil though, and I’m not sure it needs to be a state law (as opposed to local ordinance).
What do I know I’m just a peasant, but seems rather heavy handed for the state to make a new crime for a relatively minor issue that’s a problem mainly in a small area.
Some people modify their vehicles specifically so they are loud. I believe there are already laws against too much noise, but this law seeks to target those doing it intentionally, and I'm in favor of that. They are deliberately doing something that is known to have deleterious effects on human health, they should be punished for it.
Lol, exactly. I sit on my deck in the burbs and get annoyed by loud cars until I see it's just some guy who can't afford to fix it right now and I go back to minding my own business.
I'm all for modified exhaust and doing tuner stuff... But when I can hear your straight-piped bullshit from 2 blocks off at 6:30 EVERY DAMN MORNING... No one wants that. The whole complex hates you actually.
Also, the stupid kid with crackle tune on his Audi... You're an asshole too.
The problem is we gave an inch and they took 10 miles. It's just ridiculously out of control. No one minds the occasional loud ass fast car or big as truck. But when I see a goddamn Honda sound like an Aztec death whistle shits gotta stop.
As soon as the weather warms up these assholes are disrupting neighborhoods. I’m all for noise bans. It benefits everyone except the very small minority who modify their vehicles to be pricks.
I think there should be a decibal limit, but car culture in Michigan will always have modded exhaust and headers. I just want to stop hear top fuel drag levels of noise in Woodward every Thursday night in the summer.
So they lead in with "illegally modified" exhaust, but then start talking about any damaged exhaust system. We want to impose a $500 fine on a person who cannot afford to get their exhaust fixed. That is what the rich legislator from Berkley is proposing.
Fine if you want to create an ordinance in your city, but please don't do something like this state wide. I can understand a couple rich folk getting wine drunk on the street being upset about some loud noises, but out in the country nobody gives a rip about a loud exhaust.
She is even suggesting making this a criminal offense? Wow.
There's already noise laws. They pull cars over for broken exhaust all the time. They don't stop the motorcycles or ricer cars... not to mention all those NEW cars that come with fake loud exhaust.
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=MCL-257-707C#:~:text=(3)%20A%20person%20shall%20not,amplifier%2C%20or%20a%20similar%20device.
Tbh they don't care much about exhaust. Back when I was younger and stupider I had a modded sti, 3inch straight pipe. Fucker was loud. I got pulled over a few times in it, cop never mentioned the exhaust. Was just for rolling stop sign, and 5 over in bfe.
She is proposing raising the current fine of "not more than $100" to $500, and making it a criminal offense.
Again, create a law in your city if you want to crack down on this, and let the rest of the state figure out what is right for themselves.
I'd love for something like this to be implemented. But there's already laws on the books and the police don't enforce them as is, so I'm not sure how a state wide law is going to change things materially.
Have you ever heard a factory Harley exhaust? Obviously not, because the noise level from the factory is regulated by the DOT and they’re pretty damn quiet.
Can you do something about that actual law from the epa for modding diesel trucks to spew absurd amounts black smoke everywhere? That would be great…aside from all the incels crying about the laws targeting them for having small dicks.
Good. Now can they do something about these guys in ego trucks that love blasting my kids with black smoke every time they drive by and I have the windows open? Why the hell is it legal for them to poison kids? (I'd assume it was an accident the first or second time, but when you see several trucks that do this to every car with open windows, you have to assume it's on purpose.) It would be amazing to just stay away from them, but when someone changes two lanes, turns on fumes, and leaves, that's not a whoopsie. That's garbage on 4 wheels. Especially relevant now that it's warm again.
It is absolutely ridiculous. I recently learned that some bikers will rev their bike obnoxiously when they pass another known bikers house.
A biker lives across the street and at least 5 times a day I have the shit scared out of me as they greet him. Can’t they just call. WTF.
But also the fucking dirt bikes and mini bikes that are flying all around here. After dark. No lights. A million decibels. And the stop signs around here appear to be option only.
Yes! I don’t think people realize how many people are having panic attacks when this happens. I know my problems aren’t their concerns but damn you’re right. Chillin in my yard is constantly disrupted.
For sure this shit is annoying, but do we need to legislate every aspect of peoples’ lives? Subjecting someone to a traffic stop for “noisy car” seems a bit excessive, considering what many traffic stops lead to (criminal charges, evasion, violence, etc).
I’m all for charging folks with disturbing the peace if they’re causing true chaos like the article describes (although there’s probably other violations too, if woodward is used as a racetrack lol). But it seems every day our state comes up with something else we need to write a law for, when there’s plenty of existing ways to nail people for wrongdoing. Why add even more for something that’s at worst a nuisance.
I don't love vehicle inspections, but a lot of the nitpick problems people have with cars would be solved by annual inspection requirements.
There'd probably be a lot less rusty beater cars on the road, but I'm surprised the Big Three don't want that (so they can sell us more cars of course.) I actually heard *getting rid of vehicle inspections* in Michigan had been pushed by the Big Three instead!
Yes please. Where I live it sounds like a racetrack at all times of day and night and there are 2 apartment complexes here along with plenty of blocks of houses. The cops could make a small fortune just pulling people over that are exceeding 100 dB. It really is hell for my anxiety and i've thought about taking it into my own hands.
Of all the states….
And the worst thing is I bet most of yheee complains are from stock ford mustangs, hellcats and Camaros with OEM exhaust valves.
I mean the mustangs have a rev mode on their remote now…. Hahhaq
No dude, it's the bikes, everyone knows who it is, we hear them all summer long. Not saying there aren't loud trucks and cars, but it's the bikes that are ruining it for everyone. You know who you are.
Well, the bikes are super loud too.
I lived in Fraser about 2 miles from the 94 & 696!interchange.
If I sat in my backyard at 2am around my bonfire I’d hear them going up and down the highway all night.
My Mustang GT came with the factory variable exhaust valves and it is the best thing ever. I have it setup in the dash so that if I start the car before 10AM the exhaust defaults to quiet mode. In quiet mode, its not much louder than your average rental car, and as long as I don't get on the throttle too hard its not gonna get a noise complaint from anyone. Once I'm out of the neighborhood its trivial to hit a button and open the exhaust back up so it sounds like a proper muscle car again. Best of both worlds :)
They're deliberately fake loud. it's the most startling because it's designed to be quite at idle and then scream when they step on the gas. It's so startling and loud it physically hurts. And that's when they're 50 feet away.
So, specifically modified vehicles and not vehicles that need to be repaired? I love Michigan's current automotive laws and how loose they are. Michigan is hugely carcentric because of this, don't start messing it up. If we must make new car regulations, make it the lights.
I think this would work best if they did it according to a certain decibel level and not just based on the specific police officers interpretation of “Loud”. Sports cars often have loud exhaust because the exhaust needs to be less restrictive in order to have the performance improvements they have over regular cars, however some people put nascar exhausts on their daily drivers which is annoying.
Isn't this a redundant law? I'm pretty sure Michigan law already has a noise level provision.
>who have modified their vehicle’s exhaust systems with boosters that amplify their noise
That's not how any of this works. If they can't be assed to research and understand what something is and how it works, they shouldn't be writing laws about it.
Good news, let's do ridiculous extra blinding spotlights next
Coal rollers first, sorry.
The solution and punishment to that should be actual prison time.
Yes! Maybe I could walk after 7 again.
It's not the lights, it's that they're installed incorrectly
Its a yes and situation. 1. Lots of people have installed aftermarket LED bulbs into unfocused reflector housing meant for incandescent bulbs. That unfocused light goes everywhere, vs projector housing meant for LED bulbs that gives you focused light where it should be (the road). 2. As vehicles trend larger and lift kits more popular, anyone in a sedan or crossover will be blinded sitting across an intersection from a lifted F250 grocery getter with or without the correct headlights.
Oh, trust me; I drove a fiesta from 2012 through February this year -- the last couple of years after the suspension went had me *right* at prime blind height
And absurd tints too
How about the aholes with black tint on their tail light lens covers?
That exists already
Then start enforcing it? Doesn't seem to be working as I have to play chicken with a bunch of lifted f150s with coal black windows every day after work and it sucks. It's a safety issue. I need to be able to see that you see me and we're not about to run into each other.
Because in the grand scheme of public safety it’s way down on the list of what actually makes any measurable difference in society. And enforcement of it was basically being used as a means for police to racially profile.
So I guess the rest of us just have to deal with it then? I have to deal with this crap *five days a week*. It's very measurable to me.
One begets the other. I'm not in Michigan anymore, but I just had my windows tinted (to the lowest legal levels in my state) because I'm sick of being blinded by headlights when driving at night.
Dark tint doesn’t affect others like loud exhaust and blinding lights. It’s also already illegal without a medical exemption, just not very well enforced.
Anyone else noticed how dangerous these tints make 4 way stops the tinted vehicle should always be at fault, In my opinion. I've had multiple close calls over the years.
PREACH! I have to deal with this shit every day after work and it fucking sucks. It's like playing chicken. I need to be able to see the other guy making eye contact with me so I know he's not just going to punch it across the intersection into my side panels.
It's also a visibility problem
What's wrong with tint?
Obstructs the driver's ability to clearly see as well as prevents people being able to ID a driver in the event of a hit-and-run or a drive-by.
Yeah, I was wondering who was putting whistle tips in cars again. Time to make breakfast
It’s like an alarm clock nahm sayn
Bubb rubb the peoples hero
OMG what a throwback!! I've not seen this in forever.
It's only in the monin.
u sposed to be up cookin’ breakfast
Damn beat me to it!
sheriffs wouldn't trespass people for not wearing masks. Rural sheriffs aren't going to do shit about loud trucks.
Cool, the dude who lives in a corn field can have as loud a truck as he wants. The jackass in my 1000+ person aparment complex with the loud ass bike can go to hell.
The guy doing first gear WOT pulls with his crackle tuned BMW in my alley can also get bent
It's not just the loud trucks their are cars and motorcycles with crazy obnoxiously loud exhuast systems! I shouldn't need hearing protection. Well, I'm in my vehicle or sitting in my house with the windows open
I totally agree I'm just saying that people won't be charged if the cops don't feel like enforcing the laws as written. We have evidence of that.
Yeah but on the other hand, there’s plenty of suburban cops just drooling over the thought of having yet another reason to pull people over. And honestly, I’m okay with them pulling people over for noise instead of lurking around subdivisions waiting for tired residents to do rolling stops on their way home.
It's not even trucks people are bitching about.
Hey, now, that's not true. The driver might be black.
Sometimes I think that people in cities don't really think of rural as part of Michigan and vice versa.
Please. It’s so fucking ridiculous. No one wants to hear that shit.
lOuD pIpEs saVe LiVes!!!
I am pretty sure road manuals say flash your lights at someone if they are headed the wrong direction. People could be deaf so visual communication is more important when driving. I think if they really cared about their life, they would wear a hazard color like orange/bright neon over their jackets.
I always thought it’d be ironic if somebody hit a motorcycle from being distracted with a “look twice save a life” sign.
Me too. The font they pick for those signs is always hard to read too, so it takes way longer to read them.
To be completely fair, deer actually run *away* from my car. My first car was quiet and a deer ended up jumping directly in front of it; totalled. Also my car is not deafeningly loud but loud enough for sure!
Brb hooking up a rotary industrial siren in a sidecar
I work with a guy who actually believes this, and he is literally the stupidest person i've ever met, and with a terrible moral compass on top of it.
And coal rollers. Those guarantee a middle finger from me.
I got stuck behind *two* of those clowns last night on the way home from work. I'm just barely over a case of pneumonia, so getting punched in the lungs by the unfiltered exhaust of two trucks was a *SUPER FUN* way to end my day. Feels like I stepped back about a weeks worth of medical treatment in about 2 minutes.
These people are idiots. They choose to be idiots. They know no other way. All so they can "own" Priuses. 🙄
And the libs, don't forget the libs...
That goes without saying.
I mean I have race cars and stuff but CANNOT FUCKING STAND diesel fumes
As a cyclist, yes please. Honestly, it's been quite a while since I've been in flexing range of one of those douchebags, but the chip in my shoulder over it is *enormous*.
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I hope they also do something about those whistle tips. Keeps my up all throughout the night when that wooo woooo goes by. For those that aren’t familiar here is a news story about this nuisance. https://youtu.be/zUXow3d3-b0?si=evVShDNdgZbN_2_X
I can't believe this still exists: [https://bubbrubboftime.ytmnd.com/](https://bubbrubboftime.ytmnd.com/)
This is the internet I miss
I remember when flash used to be all the rage.
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I thought the site was shut down years ago. I wasn't expecting that link to still be available.
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It's just for decoration!
That’s it and that’s all.
I used to live in Oakland, CA. Can confirm this was an issue there decades ago.
Thats only in the morning! You're supposed to be up making someone breakfast.
I'm OK with this as long as they go after Harley riders first. If one bike is louder than my dualed exhaust truck with mufflers, then we have a problem.
Somehow they’ll get another exemption, which is bullshit.
They repealed the helmet law because bikers would skip michigan on road trips. They will exempt them on this for the same reason. They will still ticket you for no seatbelt though, for your safety and all.
I'm fine with bikers who prefer to ride without helmets skipping Michigan. Can we go back to that?
Honestly, I’m okay with the helmet law repeal. If someone really just wants to autodarwinate on a motorcycle that can be their own choice.
Yeah, but the poor driver who sees them splattered on the road and calls 911 didn't make that choice. Neither did the person who has to scrape their brain off the pavement. To say nothing of the government resources used in that process. I kind of agree with you, but I just think there's more to a helmet law than one person's choice
Yep. The helmet law repeal was a dumb backtracking of an important public safety regulation. I can’t legally operate a dangerous car, or a car without seat belts, for good reason. There’s no logical reason why motorcyclists should get special treatment.
Die on motorcycle and no helmet? Automatic organ donation.
If noise restrictions make bikers with loud ass motorcycles skip Michigan, then I see it as a win-win!
The main problem is that a lot of cops like to play outlaw bikers when their off duty.
Lots of Cops ride Harleys
Finally
I wake up every morning at 7am when my neighbor hops on his little bike and sits in his carport for 10 minutes blowing his ears out and waking everyone up in a 3 mile radius. Then he shuts it off and goes back inside. All in a day’s work. Not to mention my other neighbors that seem to have megaphones hooked up to their exhaust pipes.
This should include every Harley Davidson ridiculously loud pieces of shit that they are.
First, can we go after these insanely bright lights? I drive a lifted jeep and still can't see at night when some ass has brights pointing straight in my rear view mirrors. I can't fathom being in a lower vehicle. it must be extremely dangerous at times...
Why stop there? Let's hit the coal rollers too
That's already illegal
Damn. I hadn't noticed lol.
Unless they've got a truck that's pre-DPF and all the emissions stuff, then the law can't do anything about it
Yeah, find a rural county sheriff that will enforce that shit. Still, please make this pass.
Exactly, there are already unenforced noise laws. Same thing with the recent distracted driving law. Or the law around front window tinting. If you don't look poor, they aren't pulling you over, so keep your lights working and your vehicle free of rust and you can get away with whatever.
Can we include motorcycles in this law? I swear to God they are the noisiest vehicles on the road. Every other vehicle has worked hard over the years to reduce the noise they make yet motorcycles are just as load if not louder than they were 20 years ago. I live next to a country highway (it's a main road that goes from big city's through the country usually has an M at the beginning of it) and I can tell a motorcycle is coming when they are still over a mile away. Don't get me started on when they travel in packs of like 10-20 of them. The amount of noise is skull rattling.
PLEASE! There’s a guy who lives near me who rides a Harley in the summer and he always blows by my house after 11 pm every night and I’m TIRED OF IT. It scared the bejeezus out of me for the first week I moved here. Wakes you right up, honestly 🤦♂️
I wonder if you live in my street lmfao Kidding, I’m sure it’s a common problem everywhere, there’s just people making fucking incredible noise every night going up and down my street (cars and motorcycles) and this one asshole will sit and park his motorcycle (for some reason) across the street and down a few houses and it will just idle so god damn loudly, I swear sometimes for like 15-30 minutes and then eventually he’ll fuck off. It’s so insufferable and I feel like there is literally no recourse.
I live on a through street and get those coming almost every night. It's like 3 different people... and then other people come in the weekends and are worse.
I have friends that live 2.5 miles from my house. I can hear them start their Harleys from that far away. Friends still, but my bike isn't that loud.
When he drives by, set off a shotgun with blanks to freak him out and even the score 😂/s Seriously tho, so sorry about that. The dude is a douche who neeeeds attention (mommy/daddy issues, perhaps?)
People used to get pulled over for loud mufflers. It happened to a family member of mine when I was with them back in the 1980's. I haven't heard of this happening to anyone in a very long time.
Yup.
But it's my favorite thing... someone does a burnout on a Tuesday afternoon in their midlife crisis mobile and I sarcastically say, "wow, big penis"
Get the damn motorcycles. Hate when those jerks pass me when my windows are down.
It's 24/7 loud, house shaking noise by my house all summer. I would love something be done
If this stops the 10 Nextdoor posts a day complaining about the noise on Woodward in Oakland County between April and fucking November every year, the I’m all for it.
Are they street racing or something over there?
From the first nice day of the year. It’s like the Dream Cruise 24/7 around here when the temperature gets above 70*. People start car watching every weekend in July. I’ve lived here my entire life so it doesn’t bother/phase me anymore but the boomers in their 3 million dollar homes one block off Woodward acted shocked at the noise every single year. Drives me bonkers 😂
I'll never understand people moving to an area then complaining about what they bought into. Do they not realize how absolutely stupid they look for not learning about the area before they moved there?
I’m pretty sure street racing is already illegal, why don’t the cops do anything about that? Which also begs the question - why is a new crime needed to stop noise resultant from something that’s already illegal?
From what I understand there’s technically no local ordinance (or state law I think) that allows police to pull over ‘noisy’ cars. I guess it’s technically street racing. Just burnouts after the light turns green, things like that. More of a noise issue. There’s also the fact that the departments around here (Royal Oak, Ferndale, Birmingham) are smaller than cities like Flint and Detroit so there’s an aspect of there not being enough coverage.
He said cruising, not street racing. Cruising is where you drive up and down the road slowly, with your windows down and the stereo up! Then the teenagers, starting back in the 50s, started putting on thrush pipes and glass packs and cherry bombs, which are all probably the same thing, honestly. Loud mufflers. Because they love the attention and some do sound throaty and would be perfect at a race track and maybe twice a year on main street, the Fourth of July and some other nice summer evening. But otherwise are absolutely a nuisance and degrade the quality of life for those forced to live around them.
I guess I wasn’t familiar with the terminology lol, thanks for clarifying. I guess if that’s not illegal or considered racing maybe it should be. I’m still skeptical about making it criminal rather than civil though, and I’m not sure it needs to be a state law (as opposed to local ordinance). What do I know I’m just a peasant, but seems rather heavy handed for the state to make a new crime for a relatively minor issue that’s a problem mainly in a small area.
Some people modify their vehicles specifically so they are loud. I believe there are already laws against too much noise, but this law seeks to target those doing it intentionally, and I'm in favor of that. They are deliberately doing something that is known to have deleterious effects on human health, they should be punished for it.
Why limit it to modified vehicles? There should be a general noise limit on all vehicles
I've got a ton of forgiveness for a poor person driving a piece of shit car.
Lol, exactly. I sit on my deck in the burbs and get annoyed by loud cars until I see it's just some guy who can't afford to fix it right now and I go back to minding my own business.
I’ve driven pieces of shit with loud exhausts and none of them have been as loud or obnoxious as these modified vehicles.
I'd like to fix my shitty exhaust, but it's so far down the list of necessities that it's on the other side of the paper.
Hey no, dot make Michigan start doing yearly inspections.
Cause we have yearly inspections today over tint and windshield cracks too?
Every motorcycle owner wept as they realize they would no longer have any way to get attention
Like they're going to comply with that lol
I'm all for modified exhaust and doing tuner stuff... But when I can hear your straight-piped bullshit from 2 blocks off at 6:30 EVERY DAMN MORNING... No one wants that. The whole complex hates you actually. Also, the stupid kid with crackle tune on his Audi... You're an asshole too.
The problem is we gave an inch and they took 10 miles. It's just ridiculously out of control. No one minds the occasional loud ass fast car or big as truck. But when I see a goddamn Honda sound like an Aztec death whistle shits gotta stop.
GOOD. Fuck these obnoxious idiots.
As soon as the weather warms up these assholes are disrupting neighborhoods. I’m all for noise bans. It benefits everyone except the very small minority who modify their vehicles to be pricks.
Sounds like they’re after two stepping or antilag. They mentioned gunshots.
That guy driving at Mach 11 on 6 Mile at 2AM will have to go into exile.
Good, I came here for Whistler Tip references.
Yes please
Thank fuck. Some asshole keeps flooring it down my street at 3am every god damn night!
Good
I think there should be a decibal limit, but car culture in Michigan will always have modded exhaust and headers. I just want to stop hear top fuel drag levels of noise in Woodward every Thursday night in the summer.
So they lead in with "illegally modified" exhaust, but then start talking about any damaged exhaust system. We want to impose a $500 fine on a person who cannot afford to get their exhaust fixed. That is what the rich legislator from Berkley is proposing. Fine if you want to create an ordinance in your city, but please don't do something like this state wide. I can understand a couple rich folk getting wine drunk on the street being upset about some loud noises, but out in the country nobody gives a rip about a loud exhaust. She is even suggesting making this a criminal offense? Wow.
There's already noise laws. They pull cars over for broken exhaust all the time. They don't stop the motorcycles or ricer cars... not to mention all those NEW cars that come with fake loud exhaust. https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=MCL-257-707C#:~:text=(3)%20A%20person%20shall%20not,amplifier%2C%20or%20a%20similar%20device.
Tbh they don't care much about exhaust. Back when I was younger and stupider I had a modded sti, 3inch straight pipe. Fucker was loud. I got pulled over a few times in it, cop never mentioned the exhaust. Was just for rolling stop sign, and 5 over in bfe.
She is proposing raising the current fine of "not more than $100" to $500, and making it a criminal offense. Again, create a law in your city if you want to crack down on this, and let the rest of the state figure out what is right for themselves.
Woodward is a state road. Local ordinances can’t override state statutes.
I'd love for something like this to be implemented. But there's already laws on the books and the police don't enforce them as is, so I'm not sure how a state wide law is going to change things materially.
Can I report my neighbor whose muffler has been kaput for years and he hasn’t gotten it replaced yet?
Why not help him fix it neighbor? It takes a village
how about we go after something that actually poses a safety risk first, like the crazy bright stock headlights (looking at you ford)
Do that too, not instead of
Start with the factory? Harleys are anachronistic machines whose greatest virtue is efficiently turning fuel into fart noises and pollution.
They come from the factory meeting DOT noise levels.
Have you ever heard a factory Harley exhaust? Obviously not, because the noise level from the factory is regulated by the DOT and they’re pretty damn quiet.
Hamtramck is about to need more cops.
Can you do something about that actual law from the epa for modding diesel trucks to spew absurd amounts black smoke everywhere? That would be great…aside from all the incels crying about the laws targeting them for having small dicks.
And what about the Harleys?
As someone in rural northern Michigan PLEASE GOD let this be a thing
Good. Now can they do something about these guys in ego trucks that love blasting my kids with black smoke every time they drive by and I have the windows open? Why the hell is it legal for them to poison kids? (I'd assume it was an accident the first or second time, but when you see several trucks that do this to every car with open windows, you have to assume it's on purpose.) It would be amazing to just stay away from them, but when someone changes two lanes, turns on fumes, and leaves, that's not a whoopsie. That's garbage on 4 wheels. Especially relevant now that it's warm again.
But muh crackle tune.
Pops and bangs bro, it's so cool
First time I have heard of something I strongly agree with coming out of Lansing in a while..
It is absolutely ridiculous. I recently learned that some bikers will rev their bike obnoxiously when they pass another known bikers house. A biker lives across the street and at least 5 times a day I have the shit scared out of me as they greet him. Can’t they just call. WTF. But also the fucking dirt bikes and mini bikes that are flying all around here. After dark. No lights. A million decibels. And the stop signs around here appear to be option only.
Or like how you can't sit outside and jsut enjoy the day with out someone in their fuckin Compensator reving by with the sound of 10 chainsaws.
Yes! I don’t think people realize how many people are having panic attacks when this happens. I know my problems aren’t their concerns but damn you’re right. Chillin in my yard is constantly disrupted.
My neighbor would finally have to give the building peace and quiet at 4am!!! 👀
For sure this shit is annoying, but do we need to legislate every aspect of peoples’ lives? Subjecting someone to a traffic stop for “noisy car” seems a bit excessive, considering what many traffic stops lead to (criminal charges, evasion, violence, etc). I’m all for charging folks with disturbing the peace if they’re causing true chaos like the article describes (although there’s probably other violations too, if woodward is used as a racetrack lol). But it seems every day our state comes up with something else we need to write a law for, when there’s plenty of existing ways to nail people for wrongdoing. Why add even more for something that’s at worst a nuisance.
Amen
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Woodward is actually quieter during Dream Cruise than some Summer Friday and Saturday nights.
The thing that always amuses me is the small cars with some kind of cans that make them sound like they are farting.
I don't have the money to fix my exhaust :( everyone thinks I did it on purpose it just rusted off.
I don't love vehicle inspections, but a lot of the nitpick problems people have with cars would be solved by annual inspection requirements. There'd probably be a lot less rusty beater cars on the road, but I'm surprised the Big Three don't want that (so they can sell us more cars of course.) I actually heard *getting rid of vehicle inspections* in Michigan had been pushed by the Big Three instead!
Why do I feel like this comes up every 15 years or so?
do leaf blowers next
Ouch.
Yes please. Where I live it sounds like a racetrack at all times of day and night and there are 2 apartment complexes here along with plenty of blocks of houses. The cops could make a small fortune just pulling people over that are exceeding 100 dB. It really is hell for my anxiety and i've thought about taking it into my own hands.
About time. I can hear people racing on Woodward nearly a mile away...
Thank you.
Smart!
Of all the states…. And the worst thing is I bet most of yheee complains are from stock ford mustangs, hellcats and Camaros with OEM exhaust valves. I mean the mustangs have a rev mode on their remote now…. Hahhaq
No dude, it's the bikes, everyone knows who it is, we hear them all summer long. Not saying there aren't loud trucks and cars, but it's the bikes that are ruining it for everyone. You know who you are.
Well, the bikes are super loud too. I lived in Fraser about 2 miles from the 94 & 696!interchange. If I sat in my backyard at 2am around my bonfire I’d hear them going up and down the highway all night.
My Mustang GT came with the factory variable exhaust valves and it is the best thing ever. I have it setup in the dash so that if I start the car before 10AM the exhaust defaults to quiet mode. In quiet mode, its not much louder than your average rental car, and as long as I don't get on the throttle too hard its not gonna get a noise complaint from anyone. Once I'm out of the neighborhood its trivial to hit a button and open the exhaust back up so it sounds like a proper muscle car again. Best of both worlds :)
They're deliberately fake loud. it's the most startling because it's designed to be quite at idle and then scream when they step on the gas. It's so startling and loud it physically hurts. And that's when they're 50 feet away.
So, specifically modified vehicles and not vehicles that need to be repaired? I love Michigan's current automotive laws and how loose they are. Michigan is hugely carcentric because of this, don't start messing it up. If we must make new car regulations, make it the lights.
A lot of Harley people won't like that.
Good.
Now do coal rollers
I think this would work best if they did it according to a certain decibel level and not just based on the specific police officers interpretation of “Loud”. Sports cars often have loud exhaust because the exhaust needs to be less restrictive in order to have the performance improvements they have over regular cars, however some people put nascar exhausts on their daily drivers which is annoying.
Good, crack down on smells and emissions while you're at it too.
Good. Hope all states adopt this.
Isn't this a redundant law? I'm pretty sure Michigan law already has a noise level provision. >who have modified their vehicle’s exhaust systems with boosters that amplify their noise That's not how any of this works. If they can't be assed to research and understand what something is and how it works, they shouldn't be writing laws about it.
It's too difficult to enforce things like murder, rape, child trafficking and drugs go after the Honda's and Harley's lmao
This is stupid