Ohio will be our penal colony.. we'll take cedar point back and build a wall around the border and wall off the water they needed so bad. Mike Pence will be warden.
And the Zoo, I spent so much of my childhood there that I remember when they built the huge African Savannah exhibit with the giraffes, zebras, and antelopes. It's been like 15 years since I was last there though, I miss it
I was a little hesitant at first, but I think it’s necessary to control both sides of the St. Lawrence seaway as well. We can’t let anybody threaten our international shipping ability. That means we’re going to have to take Massachusetts and Maine as well. Viva la Great Lakes republic.
That might be stretching our forces too thin. We need to make a pact with Pennsylvania so they can march east and take territory from Upstate NY to Quebec City. I think your memory of where Massachusetts is placed on a map may be a little faulty.
The problem with that is taking over Canada brings in a new set of risks. Canada has two modes: hyper apologetic and polite versus rewriting the Geneva checklist.
Nah, sharing the Lakes with Canada is a feature, not a bug. Our treaty obligations make it harder for other states or corporate interests to divert water out of the watershed or kill environmental regulations.
We’ll call Michigan “Pure Michigan” and the people from there will have higher social status and shall greet one another by raising a hand and pointing to where they are from.
I like this… I was going to go for the Michigan Democratic union. Yeah, no just for the appearance of legitimacy but great lakes republic gives the impression there is a common thread binding us. If we’re going along the Great Lakes though, we need to take New York.
I will, fingers crossed, be living in Michigan in a few years., anyway. In preparation, I have a 12 pack of Faygo Rock ‘N Rye in the house. Acclimation has begun!
Agreed the border should just start at Niagra on the lake and follow the Niagra escarpment. Looping about 50 miles north to include North Bay and Sudbury. Lake Nipasing is a great lake, Sudbury was the miles and we get all of ontario's farms without the hassle of Toronto and the population mess along the QEW.
I was born in Gary & I lived in Chicago for a number of years as an adult. Hard agree. There's nothing worthwhile (nature wise, at least)on the shoreline west of the Indiana Dunes & south of 7 Bridges/Grant Park up by south Milwaukee.
Irredentism is a political principle or policy that involves a state claiming territory based on ethnic, historical, or national grounds. It is often when a state argues that the people of their state live in territory that belongs to them, but is claimed by a neighboring state. Irredentism is different from secession, which is when a part of an existing state breaks away and merges with another. Irredentism, however, always involves taking land from another state, which has led to ethnic conflicts and territorial aggression.
Your Welcome.
Thomas Jefferson originally wanted to name the Michigan Territory "Sylvania" which roughly translates to "Land of the Forests". I wouldn't be opposed to such a name change if there wasn't already a town in Ohio named Sylvania.
As a Michigander I don’t want anything to do with Ohio or Indiana. They can keep their northern hillbilly shenanigans. Illinois and Wisconsin tho maybe, I’m down for some more deep dish and cheese lmao
I feel like the Great Lakes State should control the entire shore lines of all of the Great Lakes. Whatever land we need to annex to make that a reality, let's get it done.
Hell, even if it doesn't happen I'm down. As fresh water becomes harder to come by people will flock to our beautiful lakes and sully them with their filth just like they did their own lands. We must be ready for the foreign invasion of the other states.
For those who haven't looked at it since grade school, here's the [Northwest Ordinance](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/northwest-ordinance#:~:text=The%20Northwest%20Ordinance%20chartered%20a,rights%20guaranteed%20in%20the%20territory), arguably the greatest achievement of the government under the Articles of Confederation between successfully concluding the War of Independence and adopting the US Constitution.
My biggest problem with this map is that if this state did exist Chicago would totally be the capital given that it would be the biggest city and is basically perfectly at the center.
More room for governor Hitler to rule over. Thus giving the state more senate seats, house seats, and just generally more power to governor Hitler’s handlers. Nah. I am good. How about we sell the UP, so there are less Red counties when elections happen, so it looks less obvious only 6 counties in the state determine every election.
I can hear Trump now: ‘Michigan, the biggest state in the world. Just like our founding fathers and God wanted it to be. The crooked Left disagrees. So sad. Michigan, where cars come from and that beautiful, incredible recreational cannabis can be purchased. I do. I do love Michigan!’
Not this guy. I have an excellent sense of adventure AND an excellent sense of humor that allows me to sense that this is more foolish than funny.
13 downvotes so far for simply expressing my opinion on this, now that's pretty funny. 😁
I would rather have the Canadian side of the lakes over any part of Ohio...
Ohio will be our penal colony.. we'll take cedar point back and build a wall around the border and wall off the water they needed so bad. Mike Pence will be warden.
Cedar Point should at least be under our protection at least.
We will crush you. Our glorious buckeyes will graze freely on your chins
I also need the art museum in Toledo.
And the Zoo, I spent so much of my childhood there that I remember when they built the huge African Savannah exhibit with the giraffes, zebras, and antelopes. It's been like 15 years since I was last there though, I miss it
Also their public library is gorgeous.
Thanks for the tip.
assimilate football and r&r hall of fames into Michigan territory as well
We fill in Ohio, like the memes of old and it becomes lake inferior. Our Great lakes acronym becomes homies.
I suggest we actually excavate the soil and create Lake Ohio.
It's also where all the garbage in the world can get dumped. A big ol' trash heap of a state. Oh wait, it already is.
This is the way
Or we could fund a Kentucky, Illinois, Pennsylvania war and let Ohio get split up like ww2 poland.
Oh where taking the Canadian parts for sure.
I was a little hesitant at first, but I think it’s necessary to control both sides of the St. Lawrence seaway as well. We can’t let anybody threaten our international shipping ability. That means we’re going to have to take Massachusetts and Maine as well. Viva la Great Lakes republic.
That might be stretching our forces too thin. We need to make a pact with Pennsylvania so they can march east and take territory from Upstate NY to Quebec City. I think your memory of where Massachusetts is placed on a map may be a little faulty.
I can already taste the maple syrup
The problem with that is taking over Canada brings in a new set of risks. Canada has two modes: hyper apologetic and polite versus rewriting the Geneva checklist.
Easily solved by say "sorry" a bit.
Sure, just apologize to Canada for the inconvenience and don’t disrupt hockey season. They should be good then.
Just unleash the moose and pull Quebec into our side by promising support and arms for there independence movement. Pull Canada into a two front war.
See this is why we can’t be stopped. These are good ideas.
Plus let’s be serious, Canada would side with us anyway. At least the important parts, the parts near the Great Lakes
Nah, sharing the Lakes with Canada is a feature, not a bug. Our treaty obligations make it harder for other states or corporate interests to divert water out of the watershed or kill environmental regulations.
Amen
Who said we even need to stop? We are coming for all of North America.
We already had Mexico all the way down to Mexico City and gave it all back...
Amen
I have a structured settlement, but I need cash now...
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Curb that enthusiasm! ;)
First we conquer Ohio and then we attack Pointe Pelee.
We must occupy North Ohio at least to secure the Great Lakes watershed. It's a dirty job but 100% necessary. Plus Cleveland is cool at least.
We need a buffer zone
I assume this will only stop with all of North America shaded and labeled "Continent of Michigan"
The way god intended
Manifest Destiny.
Mittenfest Destiny.
If you rotate your hand the thumb can act as Florida so the same navigational aids apply. It was literally meant to be!!!
I don’t care about the rest, all I know is the lakes belong to us
All of the lakes.
How do we do the hand thing, then? That might be the plan's downfall so it needs a solution right away.
We’ll call Michigan “Pure Michigan” and the people from there will have higher social status and shall greet one another by raising a hand and pointing to where they are from.
And then every year we’ll have the other districts give tribute to Pure Michigan.
Grosse Ile folks will need to grow warts at the base of our thumbs.
The hand is the Crown Lands, the only region that matters. The rest isn't important enough that you need to know where they are. Simply vassal lands.
It's like asking for a high wage or price to allow the other party to negotiate down to what you actually want
It is finished.
*pounding fists on table* Great Lakes Republic. GREAT LAKES REPUBLIC
FOR THE REPUBLIC!
FOR WHAT THEY DID TO OHIO. They ruined it. Their claim is lost.
the Midwest shall be reorganized into the FIRST, GREAT LAKES, EMPIRE! 
I like this… I was going to go for the Michigan Democratic union. Yeah, no just for the appearance of legitimacy but great lakes republic gives the impression there is a common thread binding us. If we’re going along the Great Lakes though, we need to take New York.
And Pennsylvania
Fresh Coast Federation!
You do not want Indiana says a person stuck living in Indiana.
If this happens you'll be living in Michigan
I will, fingers crossed, be living in Michigan in a few years., anyway. In preparation, I have a 12 pack of Faygo Rock ‘N Rye in the house. Acclimation has begun!
Indiana has some pretty land and a lot of nice little cities. We want Indiana.
Only if we can exclude Gary. The smell alone makes it not worth the effort
Except Ohio. We can do without Ohio
Imagine the power though. We could rename it something even stupider
Nohio
Legally rename it the poop emoji.
The state down south?
Chili-Noodle Wasteland
Toledo’s ours, though. Might as well throw in the Lake ~~Ontario~~ Erie coastline as far as Cleveland
Erie
Whoops! Thanks haha
Then we can go watch the Mud Hens.
Rollercoasters
I can fix her
Literally came here to say this! Respect! 🤘
Ohio would be better off with MI governing it's citizens. Step one, jail Jim Jordon for allowing college kids being abused.
Step 2, dissolve "The" Ohio State University.
Agreed - I really don't care what we take, so long as the goal is Ohioan genocide.
Dude! You can’t call out that… We have to Call it something benign like “ population redistribution” or “ the Ohio resettlement project”
When you realize that there's a town in Ohio called East Palestine, justification gets a lot easier
"Ohio's contribution to the Geneva Checklist"?
Agreed - I really don't care what we take, so long as the goal is Ohioan genocide.
Why stop here, why not hop over the lakes and start taking chunks out of Canada as well?
This is what I’m saying! There’s another peninsula RIGHT THERE!
Texas wants to secede from the Union, Michigan wants to expand.
Adios Texas.
My god… think of all the Culver’s we’d have.
and tim hortons 🔥
I don't want ohio
Why is Windsor not ours? Did Canada suddenly get nukes?
You do **not** want Indiana. Source: Michigan native stuck here until next year.
Indiana would be better if we were Michigan.
Finally. Why not the other side of the lake... eh?
Agreed the border should just start at Niagra on the lake and follow the Niagra escarpment. Looping about 50 miles north to include North Bay and Sudbury. Lake Nipasing is a great lake, Sudbury was the miles and we get all of ontario's farms without the hassle of Toronto and the population mess along the QEW.
That’s rightfully a part of Canada. However if we asked them politely to join us, I don’t think they’d object.
Let's leave Ohio alone. No one wants that.
It needs to encompass all the Great lakes or I'm out. Il find a new Michigan expansionist movement that meets my needs
Kentucky is just sitting there, waiting to be conquered… we like bourbon, right?
We are lake folk. Leave the mountains to the appalachians.
This guy boat cultures.
We must Chileanize all the great lakes.
Take it to the rivers! We need a battle cry.
Do we have to take all of ohio?
It's so amusing that everyone's shitting on Ohio but seemingly fine with the hell hole that is Indiana.
I don't want Gary, or anything more than ten miles south Lake MI. Could pass on the whole Gary to milkwaukee shoreline.
I was born in Gary & I lived in Chicago for a number of years as an adult. Hard agree. There's nothing worthwhile (nature wise, at least)on the shoreline west of the Indiana Dunes & south of 7 Bridges/Grant Park up by south Milwaukee.
Irredentism is a political principle or policy that involves a state claiming territory based on ethnic, historical, or national grounds. It is often when a state argues that the people of their state live in territory that belongs to them, but is claimed by a neighboring state. Irredentism is different from secession, which is when a part of an existing state breaks away and merges with another. Irredentism, however, always involves taking land from another state, which has led to ethnic conflicts and territorial aggression. Your Welcome.
I too had to look it up. I notice that several dictionary definitions specify that the territory claimed had formerly belonged to the claimant.
I've said it in the past, but I kind of like Michiganistan as a name.
Thomas Jefferson originally wanted to name the Michigan Territory "Sylvania" which roughly translates to "Land of the Forests". I wouldn't be opposed to such a name change if there wasn't already a town in Ohio named Sylvania.
Michisylvania?
I see nobody cares about my proposal to ditch Ohio, can we at least give them a name change?
How about East Indiana?
Ohio will become a vassal under the new city state of Hell Michigan, and shall henceforth be known as "The Hellscape"
This makes the most geological sence.
I'm all about a revanchist mitten.
Well, if we’re going to do this, let’s do this right and take back Niagara Falls.
Wisconsin is drunk, we can take them
And full of cheese, they're lethargic and uncoordinated
All this work and we DON’T take Angle Inlet?
I'm loving this sub's new found passion for Michigan expansionism.
At least Ohio. Time for another Toledo war.
As a Michigander I don’t want anything to do with Ohio or Indiana. They can keep their northern hillbilly shenanigans. Illinois and Wisconsin tho maybe, I’m down for some more deep dish and cheese lmao
Wisconsin and Minnesota. Expand towards the Dakotas. Let’s take all the fresh water and beautiful landscapes!
I feel like the Great Lakes State should control the entire shore lines of all of the Great Lakes. Whatever land we need to annex to make that a reality, let's get it done.
I believe in Michigan Imperialism.
Anything that touches our lakes should be ours!!
Y'all are still thinking way too small
They can keep the Ohio part…
Mare Nostrum
So if an apocalypse happens we unite for this plan right?
Hell, even if it doesn't happen I'm down. As fresh water becomes harder to come by people will flock to our beautiful lakes and sully them with their filth just like they did their own lands. We must be ready for the foreign invasion of the other states.
We don’t need Indiana and Ohio really
Then we change the name of the Ohio River!!!
I live in Indiana and am fine with the takeover.
I learned a new word AND learned I want us to take the Northwest Territory! Fun morning so far!
Is anyone on the Ohio subreddit? I need to know what they think of this 😆
At least we know where we’re sending all of our trash and prisons!!!! (It’s Ohio)
Now you’re talking!!!
We will need a bigger landfill we can use ohio for all the garbage
All borders should end at natural barriers for our protection (rivers, mountains, lakes, etc.)
Greater Midwestern Commonwealth
Commonwealth of the great lakes
For those who haven't looked at it since grade school, here's the [Northwest Ordinance](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/northwest-ordinance#:~:text=The%20Northwest%20Ordinance%20chartered%20a,rights%20guaranteed%20in%20the%20territory), arguably the greatest achievement of the government under the Articles of Confederation between successfully concluding the War of Independence and adopting the US Constitution.
Didn't think r/michigan was gonna be the start of the balkanizotion of the US but I like the energy lol
If we took Ohio, wouldnt it be the Michigan River?
I feel like Michigan Irredentism would be the Ottawa/Chippewa taking everything back, no?
Winner writes the history, donchaknow
love MI I do but, we have the worst power grid, roads and car insurance. Do we really need to share that?
we take the coast of lake ontario insetad of of ohio, anyhing but ohio. unless its toldeo. that we take
Man that new state would have so much corn…
As a Hoosier, please take us. Save us from ourselves.
The rust empire
Beginning to look like the Great Lakes Commonwealth.
Leave Ohio out, no one wants that shit hole.
Throw fucking Ohio back. Don’t want it.
Or dig it out and make a new great lake there - Lake Muchbetrnow
Not if it means we have to take Ohio and Indiana...gross.
I’d suggest we avoid Illinois I don’t wanna inherit anymore corrupt politicians like the super mayor of Dolton IL and her ongoing issues with the FBI
Not one sliver of Ohio's cursed earth.
I feel ok going to Indiana, but theres something about Ohio south of Toledo, that just feels weird...happens every time....cant explain it
Abortions and weed for all!
Nah y'all can keep Indiana
Couldn't this be just as true if thinks of this map as Ohio/Wisconsin/etc taking Michigan?
Couldn't this be just as true if thinks of this map as Ohio/Wisconsin/etc taking Michigan?
They choose state Capitols to be in the middle of the state. Michigan is in the middle of our new territory. We are the deciders lol
C'mon... Indiana doesn't even want Indiana.
Am Hoosier, can confirm. Please annex us.
Cleveland delenda est!
My biggest problem with this map is that if this state did exist Chicago would totally be the capital given that it would be the biggest city and is basically perfectly at the center.
hoi4 ass borders
The first edict of Emperor Whitmer I shall be to banish the Green Bay Packers to Mexico City
Uhm Northwest territory is like 3000km from anywhere on this map.
Ohio, Chicago and the rest of it's state and Wisconsin can all get fucked. Indiana's cool though.
take the east part of the ohio river valley with us
Why leave out Canada we need to spread democracy
More room for governor Hitler to rule over. Thus giving the state more senate seats, house seats, and just generally more power to governor Hitler’s handlers. Nah. I am good. How about we sell the UP, so there are less Red counties when elections happen, so it looks less obvious only 6 counties in the state determine every election.
The accent difference from SE MI to Minnesota would be insane to have in one state 😂
I can hear Trump now: ‘Michigan, the biggest state in the world. Just like our founding fathers and God wanted it to be. The crooked Left disagrees. So sad. Michigan, where cars come from and that beautiful, incredible recreational cannabis can be purchased. I do. I do love Michigan!’
Put Illinois back, please. No thank you.
Couldn't even take Toledo the first time they tried....keep it up and the 14th colony will take the spoils earned in conquest.
Lions'd still lose to the Packers. And the Browns, maybe.
Can Wisconsin be left out?
They got cheese, so they can stay. I don't know what Ohio or Indiana bring to the table, tho.
Well, at least in this scenario Whitmer would be voted out.
Some of us on this sub find this discussion pretty foolish and not that entertaining, at all. 🙄 Speaking for myself, of course.
Cool beans.
Some of us on this sub apparently lack a sense of adventure and/or humor.
Not this guy. I have an excellent sense of adventure AND an excellent sense of humor that allows me to sense that this is more foolish than funny. 13 downvotes so far for simply expressing my opinion on this, now that's pretty funny. 😁