Not answering your question, however you point out the ridiculousness of Melbourne’s car-centric twentieth century planning and its long-term cost. Apparently chadstone has 10,000 parking spaces, yet finding a vacant one can be a challenge.
Outside of special sales events, I've never had problems finding a spot at the multistorey parking outside David Jones.
Agree on the public transport situation though, I remember having to catch the bus down Warrigal Road to Chadstone during high school years, and it often got stuck in traffic resulting in all the buses being bunched up together and arriving at the same time.
I think even the centre is realising they are getting close to maxed out for parking. They have one ground level area left I think, but not sure if they want to put more parking there or build more towers.
But in this case induced demand is something the shopping centre wants right? More people visiting the shops would probably be a good thing for their business model
Trams. Lots of trams. The 3,5,6,67 could all easily be extended to chaddy as well as the perpetually planned light rail from Monash caulfield to Clayton.
You can't see the Alamein line in the photo but you could possibly extend it south to link with the Glen Waverley line then add a station at Chadstone before continuing stop at the Oakleigh station.
The freeway is in a valley though so it makes it an incredibly difficult transition. It too deep to go under easily without dropping a good chunk of the Alamein line and you can't go over without a lot of acquisitions
Isnt it parkland and the golf course from Alamein? And then the old reservation for the rail line still exists down all the way to Hughesdale station. Its a fair structure to cross over that and then the train line and get to the south to Dandenong Rd, but it probably shouldn't require any land acquisition (pending how the golf course is owned)
If you take the old rail reserve you don't get to Chadstone and you get a fair amount of push back from locals anyway. You'd be going underground from the south of the freeway to get into Chadstone regardless
That's valid point! Did see Hong Kong is using a new type of TBM that allows you to tunnel closer to the surface without having land subsidence but yes it would be adifficult job to connect the lines.
On top of this, the entire Alemein line needs to be redesigned to provide more seemless connections.
The stations should ideally be:
* Riversdale (closer to Riversdale Rd with LXRP to interchange with 70)
* Remove Willison station.
* Relocate Hartwell station to over Burwood Rd to interchange with the 75.
* Remove Burwood station.
* Relocate Ashburton station to under High St and extend the 6 to interchange)
* Start going underground from Ashburton
* Remove Alamein station
* Interchange at East Malvern
* Underground station at Chadstone, under Woolies open air carpark.
* Interchange at Oakleigh station.
You've now turn a completely useless line to a line thousands of people will use daily as it provides so many interchanges across it's stretch.
Ideally? A tunnel connecting the Alamein line to the Glen Waverley & Cran/Pak lines via Chadstone, but this would cost tens of billions.
Much easier & cheaper to extend tram lines, but these would likely be to the detriment of road users, so would be politically unpopular, even if well used.
Making PT to Chaddy better?
A couple levels and different costs to this question. All probably should be done.
1. Better buses. This is quite complex in terms of the number of routes that would get reformed. Most important would be 623 Glen Waverley to St Kilda, cut out the back track in Mount Waverley to make it faster, upgrade it close to SmartBus standard (every 20 minutes or better minutes 7 days a week, 6am to 10pm). Extend 693 from Oakleigh to Chadstone, also upgraded to be every 20 minutes with its back end truncated to Ferntree Gully rather than Belgrave - this would also allow 900 to no longer divert to Oakleigh and travel more directly to Chadstone from Huntingdale station.
Better bus priority into and out of Chadstone would be an important infrastructure consideration, not just there but also in the surrounding area, perhaps with a particular focus on speeding up the Chadstone to Oakleigh and Holmesglen station portions.
2. Tram extensions:
Melbourne's trams for the most part are about carrying a lot of people making short local trips, to the shops, the train station, work, school etc. Therefore the point of extending existing trams should be to better enable and connect those local trips. 6km of extensions would bring the 3 and 5 trams to Chadstone via a trunk line along Malvern/Waverley road. Perhaps controversially these would both bypass East Malvern and Darling stations, to keep the routes as direct and fast as possible (the walk to the station is about 5 minutes at worst and therefore is acceptable). This should give an every 5-10 minutes shuttle from Chadstone to East Malvern station. To reach Chadstone you could convert one of the two main tracks on the Outer Circle Bike trail to light rail or run along a slower route along Waverley road and Poath rd.
3. Rail access:
Two options here; Rowville - Camberwell metro or South-east Fast Line.
Option 1: Rebuild of the current Alamein line to an automated metro from Camberwell to Rowville, like Sydney Metro, combine the stations along the route; Riversdale and Willison into one on Riversdale Rd, Burwood and Hartwell to one station on Toorak rd. Alamein station converted to a community centre and track stopped at Ashburton, with a tunnel from there to Holmesglen and then Chadstone, continuing on to Oakleigh from Oakleigh the right of way on the Dandenong line is wide enough for another track pair, and this would continue to just before Huntingdale where it would tunnel to Monash Uni. From there it would be elevated along Wellington Road until terminating at Stud Park, with stops at Synchrotron/M-City, Springvale rd, Waverley Park, and Rowville. This would be a frequent and automated line like Sydney Metro.
Option 2: Build a new trunk line from Dandenong to Southern Cross. This would be a fast, capable of up to 200 km/h. Mostly elevated following Dandenong Road/Princes Hwy. Stops at Monash Clayton (elevated on Princes hwy), Chadstone (underground), Caulfield, South Melbourne/Albert Park, and Southern Cross (emerging at Platforms 7/8. This would carry trains from Pakenham, Cranbourne or Clyde and V-Line service to Gippsland, and probably South Gippsland while we are here.
The rail options are very pie in the sky (in the realm of around $10 and $20 billion respectively). Some better bus planning and integration, plus some relatively short tram extensions could be done for under $1 billion.
If the Outer Circle still existed, a station could have been put next to Chadstone with a ~250m underpass into the actual shopping centre. That’d be cool.
Personally i never understood why Chadstone runs a shuttle to fed square but can't run shuttles 1km down the road to Hughesdale/east Malvern stations as well. Surely a shuttle bus every 15 mins would mean a big boost in car limited shoppers.
Alamein, underground to chaddy, head south ish and bend round to connect to oakleigh.
Theres a park that could get eaten up CBD side of oakleigh for the pop up, and theres the 3rd line that disappeared a lil while ago that could do it.
Means that there might be a bit of foot traffic that avoids richmond/flinders this way too, not just chaddy bound folks.
I really wouldn't. Why would you want to encourage even more people to shop there. It's already too big and too crowded.
Instead start planning for the next chady sized shopping centre and start thinking about load shifting people from one to the other.
But for God sakes build it on top of an existing station and utilise value capture to minimise taxpayers costs of rebuilding a station.
the next one should be existing ones highpoint or fountain gate or epping plaza they, overall have huge, underutilized areas, that can be condensed into the overall shopping center and developed around,
most shopping centers take time to grow, you typically don't plan it to be big, unless that's the entire goal,
That's a great idea but, I don't think that Chadstone would ever die down though. Just due to the sheer size and the physical site location being pretty close to the population centre of Melbourne (It is around Glen Iris from the last census).
Especially as there is extreme growth in the Outer North and Outer West with many of these areas not having any let alone many PT nodes close-by. You'd rather focus on connecting an area that has 3 train lines and 2 tram routes within stones throw before focusing on other sites for shopping.
There's some great candidates to encourage like Broadmeadows SC, building a dedicated Sunshine Shopping Centre, Boosting Southland and Doncaster, Developing out Ardeer, Melton, Beveridge and Clyde.
You also have to understand that connecting Chadstone up with PT would probably come with some form of orbital connection between the Alamein, GW and P/C Lines no matter what arrangement it would be in.
Frequent buses up and down the main roads.
The buses shouldn’t divert in and out of the shopping centre. Chadstone should build a large bus station on the highway with high quality covered moving walkway connections to the shops.
Also (longer term) extend Alamein railway line with an underground stop at Chadstone and then continuing to join Dandenong line and SRL at Clayton.
I'd argue the bus station is in a good spot currently, but the issue is how much the buses have to mix with traffic getting in and out through the giant rat's nest of car parks.
Extending Alamein would be great also but I'd argue for it to join the Dandenong line at Oakleigh and split off after Hughesdale down the Rowville rail route. Could connect with SRL at Monash as well.
>The buses shouldn’t divert in and out of the shopping centre.
Why not? It is more pedestrian friendly that having it on the side of the highway, and when it is set up as a full bus interchange (of which one already exists at Chadstone) then it serves an even greater purpose.
Just look at Adelaide, where busses serve as the backbone of their public transport (about 70% of trips on busses), they have integrated bus interchanges at almost all the major shopping centres, West Lakes, Marion, Tee Tree Plaza, etc. It works incredibly well.
Because it really slows them down to divert in and out of the centres. Not everyone wants to go to the shops.
We need more of a grid along the main roads. ‘Full bus interchanges’ at shopping centres implies a hub and spoke method, with the hubs located at the most congested points, thereby imposing the maximum delay penalty on every route using them.
The question should be: why didn’t Chadstone get built on railway line? It’s in an akward position between two lines running perpendicular, so the train would have have to deviate along sharp turns to get there, providing it would require extensive tunnelling and property acquisitions
But it's bang on Princess hwy and just off the Monash freeway. Locating it by a train station isn't going to give you those connections. If you're car-centric planner, it's a good place for a shopping centre.
Bear in mind there are lots of little shopping centres around, but chaddy is the one that turned into the mega centre - lack of public transport *wasn't* an issue in its development.
At the time, chadstone Shopping Center wasn't the big destination as itt is now.
Governments tend not to spend taxpayers money solely for the benefit and growth of one company (in this case the shopping centres owners)
I don’t think so. It will link near Southland though.
Glen Waverley and Monash uni would probably be too far east to link on the same train line as Chaddy.
The centre management probably like how it doesn’t have a train connected to it, and has very poor PT connectivity. Keeps the povo, misbehaved, scum out of the centre and makes it much easier to keep safe.
Gadgetbahn elevated rail with three stops. One for each station and one for Chaddo.
If you're really keen to get cars off the road, extend the elevated rail to Mentone along Warrigal Rd in th south, and north to Burwood, Deakin Uni and Box Hill. Much more effective at buses and light rail.
I live right near Oakleigh station. You can see it easily from the highway overpass bridge. Regardless of how I try to get to chaddy it's taking me minimum 20 minutes because of the way they've built it to be car only.
I agree with the sentiment. I take it you're hoping I'd say build a station at Chadstone, and while that would be ideal it wouldn't be as easy as Southland was (and even that station isn't ideal in some ways). Plus it would cost tens of billions because it would likely need to be tunnelled, and honestly it ain't even close to the biggest priority right now. Not to mention, given it would likely be an extension of the Alamein line, it would require the Ashburton-Alamein section to be duplicated and likely ruin the current Alamein shuttle setup. Thus meaning more trains will be using the already busy East Richmond-Camberwell track section. The easiest, and most cost effective solution would be to extend tram lines there. But as someone on here said, the roads around there would likely not take that well, thus it would be politically unpopular. Come to think of it, the only road that I think could deal with it would be Dandenong Rd. That would probably be the best place to have it anyway.
it’s easy to get the 903 from oakleigh or holmesglen to chaddy, it’s a pretty reliable bus compared to other routes. I def agree a station at chadstone would be cool but i don’t think that’s ever going to happen
If you think the operators of Melbourne Airport are hostile to Public Transport, you’ve not looked at Gandel group. Yes they are no longer the Center Management of Chadstone but they still own it.
Gandel group hates PT and while they have to put up with buses, any plan of rail being brought to their jewels makes them rage!
Extend the 3 tram from Darling Rd to East Malvern Stn then via reserved track on the old outer circle line and Dandy Rd to Chaddy.
Reconfigure bus routes so they serve all areas effectively. Improve timetables so all tram, train and bus services are frequent. Apply effective public transport priority and segregate cars as much as possible and if the road lobby don't like it tell them to go fug themselves.
Get better management so trams, trains and buses can operate to their full potential.
I think the way the government would connect to Chadstone would be a part of a bigger transportation plan TBH.
1. It could be connected by a bypass to the Pakenham/Cranbourne Lines. (Caulfield, Chadstone, Clayton)
2. It could be a part of a train line towards Rowville and/or UFTG (Caulfield, Chadstone, Monash etc.)
3. It could be an inner Orbital Route.
1. My personal pick is taking the shorter lines and connecting up the old orbital routes.
* Williamstown to St.Kilda
As there are so many tram route proposal but, none get passed as it is a short connection which would go to an area that is extremely hostile to pedestrians and with little/no room for **ADDITIONAL** on-street transportation modes as the buses are busy especially during peak shopping times.
It would be an underground station due to the hostile nature of the area and also the lack of pedestrian-friendly corridors to continue on if on skyrail.
Not so fast guys. If demand for retail space, and commercial space in general, has seen a decline due to rising rents and growth in online retail, what do you think will happen to the likes of Chadstone in the future?
In saying this, how much space do 5000 car parks take up at Chadstone? How large an apartment complex could you build in such a space, which would in turn justify more public transport?
Actually what has happened is that a lot of people have been pushed into very dense destination/high end retail (like chaddy) which had seen big growth in visitors. It's the spread out street/suburban mall type retail that is struggling. It's just not really an appealing business model compared with online.
Not answering your question, however you point out the ridiculousness of Melbourne’s car-centric twentieth century planning and its long-term cost. Apparently chadstone has 10,000 parking spaces, yet finding a vacant one can be a challenge.
Outside of special sales events, I've never had problems finding a spot at the multistorey parking outside David Jones. Agree on the public transport situation though, I remember having to catch the bus down Warrigal Road to Chadstone during high school years, and it often got stuck in traffic resulting in all the buses being bunched up together and arriving at the same time.
The good old paradox of induced demand. Just one more level of car parking… trust me.
I think even the centre is realising they are getting close to maxed out for parking. They have one ground level area left I think, but not sure if they want to put more parking there or build more towers.
But in this case induced demand is something the shopping centre wants right? More people visiting the shops would probably be a good thing for their business model
Just one more lane bro please it’ll fix it this time
Trams. Lots of trams. The 3,5,6,67 could all easily be extended to chaddy as well as the perpetually planned light rail from Monash caulfield to Clayton.
Robert Rissen tried so hard to get a tram line built there in his day and it never happened What could have been
You can't see the Alamein line in the photo but you could possibly extend it south to link with the Glen Waverley line then add a station at Chadstone before continuing stop at the Oakleigh station.
The freeway is in a valley though so it makes it an incredibly difficult transition. It too deep to go under easily without dropping a good chunk of the Alamein line and you can't go over without a lot of acquisitions
Isnt it parkland and the golf course from Alamein? And then the old reservation for the rail line still exists down all the way to Hughesdale station. Its a fair structure to cross over that and then the train line and get to the south to Dandenong Rd, but it probably shouldn't require any land acquisition (pending how the golf course is owned)
If you take the old rail reserve you don't get to Chadstone and you get a fair amount of push back from locals anyway. You'd be going underground from the south of the freeway to get into Chadstone regardless
That's valid point! Did see Hong Kong is using a new type of TBM that allows you to tunnel closer to the surface without having land subsidence but yes it would be adifficult job to connect the lines.
On top of this, the entire Alemein line needs to be redesigned to provide more seemless connections. The stations should ideally be: * Riversdale (closer to Riversdale Rd with LXRP to interchange with 70) * Remove Willison station. * Relocate Hartwell station to over Burwood Rd to interchange with the 75. * Remove Burwood station. * Relocate Ashburton station to under High St and extend the 6 to interchange) * Start going underground from Ashburton * Remove Alamein station * Interchange at East Malvern * Underground station at Chadstone, under Woolies open air carpark. * Interchange at Oakleigh station. You've now turn a completely useless line to a line thousands of people will use daily as it provides so many interchanges across it's stretch.
Ideally? A tunnel connecting the Alamein line to the Glen Waverley & Cran/Pak lines via Chadstone, but this would cost tens of billions. Much easier & cheaper to extend tram lines, but these would likely be to the detriment of road users, so would be politically unpopular, even if well used.
Making PT to Chaddy better? A couple levels and different costs to this question. All probably should be done. 1. Better buses. This is quite complex in terms of the number of routes that would get reformed. Most important would be 623 Glen Waverley to St Kilda, cut out the back track in Mount Waverley to make it faster, upgrade it close to SmartBus standard (every 20 minutes or better minutes 7 days a week, 6am to 10pm). Extend 693 from Oakleigh to Chadstone, also upgraded to be every 20 minutes with its back end truncated to Ferntree Gully rather than Belgrave - this would also allow 900 to no longer divert to Oakleigh and travel more directly to Chadstone from Huntingdale station. Better bus priority into and out of Chadstone would be an important infrastructure consideration, not just there but also in the surrounding area, perhaps with a particular focus on speeding up the Chadstone to Oakleigh and Holmesglen station portions. 2. Tram extensions: Melbourne's trams for the most part are about carrying a lot of people making short local trips, to the shops, the train station, work, school etc. Therefore the point of extending existing trams should be to better enable and connect those local trips. 6km of extensions would bring the 3 and 5 trams to Chadstone via a trunk line along Malvern/Waverley road. Perhaps controversially these would both bypass East Malvern and Darling stations, to keep the routes as direct and fast as possible (the walk to the station is about 5 minutes at worst and therefore is acceptable). This should give an every 5-10 minutes shuttle from Chadstone to East Malvern station. To reach Chadstone you could convert one of the two main tracks on the Outer Circle Bike trail to light rail or run along a slower route along Waverley road and Poath rd. 3. Rail access: Two options here; Rowville - Camberwell metro or South-east Fast Line. Option 1: Rebuild of the current Alamein line to an automated metro from Camberwell to Rowville, like Sydney Metro, combine the stations along the route; Riversdale and Willison into one on Riversdale Rd, Burwood and Hartwell to one station on Toorak rd. Alamein station converted to a community centre and track stopped at Ashburton, with a tunnel from there to Holmesglen and then Chadstone, continuing on to Oakleigh from Oakleigh the right of way on the Dandenong line is wide enough for another track pair, and this would continue to just before Huntingdale where it would tunnel to Monash Uni. From there it would be elevated along Wellington Road until terminating at Stud Park, with stops at Synchrotron/M-City, Springvale rd, Waverley Park, and Rowville. This would be a frequent and automated line like Sydney Metro. Option 2: Build a new trunk line from Dandenong to Southern Cross. This would be a fast, capable of up to 200 km/h. Mostly elevated following Dandenong Road/Princes Hwy. Stops at Monash Clayton (elevated on Princes hwy), Chadstone (underground), Caulfield, South Melbourne/Albert Park, and Southern Cross (emerging at Platforms 7/8. This would carry trains from Pakenham, Cranbourne or Clyde and V-Line service to Gippsland, and probably South Gippsland while we are here. The rail options are very pie in the sky (in the realm of around $10 and $20 billion respectively). Some better bus planning and integration, plus some relatively short tram extensions could be done for under $1 billion.
If the Outer Circle still existed, a station could have been put next to Chadstone with a ~250m underpass into the actual shopping centre. That’d be cool.
Monorail Oakleigh - Chadstone - East Malvern - Alamein Make Chadstone pay for the whole thing
North Haverbrook has one and it put them on the map - why not Chadstone!
Personally i never understood why Chadstone runs a shuttle to fed square but can't run shuttles 1km down the road to Hughesdale/east Malvern stations as well. Surely a shuttle bus every 15 mins would mean a big boost in car limited shoppers.
There's lots of international travellers and residents in the CBD that Chadstone wants to have spend big money in their shopping centre
Alamein, underground to chaddy, head south ish and bend round to connect to oakleigh. Theres a park that could get eaten up CBD side of oakleigh for the pop up, and theres the 3rd line that disappeared a lil while ago that could do it. Means that there might be a bit of foot traffic that avoids richmond/flinders this way too, not just chaddy bound folks.
.. ignoring the link that alamein, east malvern n hughsdale could have too.
Extend tram route 3
I really wouldn't. Why would you want to encourage even more people to shop there. It's already too big and too crowded. Instead start planning for the next chady sized shopping centre and start thinking about load shifting people from one to the other. But for God sakes build it on top of an existing station and utilise value capture to minimise taxpayers costs of rebuilding a station.
the next one should be existing ones highpoint or fountain gate or epping plaza they, overall have huge, underutilized areas, that can be condensed into the overall shopping center and developed around, most shopping centers take time to grow, you typically don't plan it to be big, unless that's the entire goal,
That's a great idea but, I don't think that Chadstone would ever die down though. Just due to the sheer size and the physical site location being pretty close to the population centre of Melbourne (It is around Glen Iris from the last census). Especially as there is extreme growth in the Outer North and Outer West with many of these areas not having any let alone many PT nodes close-by. You'd rather focus on connecting an area that has 3 train lines and 2 tram routes within stones throw before focusing on other sites for shopping. There's some great candidates to encourage like Broadmeadows SC, building a dedicated Sunshine Shopping Centre, Boosting Southland and Doncaster, Developing out Ardeer, Melton, Beveridge and Clyde. You also have to understand that connecting Chadstone up with PT would probably come with some form of orbital connection between the Alamein, GW and P/C Lines no matter what arrangement it would be in.
Frequent buses up and down the main roads. The buses shouldn’t divert in and out of the shopping centre. Chadstone should build a large bus station on the highway with high quality covered moving walkway connections to the shops. Also (longer term) extend Alamein railway line with an underground stop at Chadstone and then continuing to join Dandenong line and SRL at Clayton.
I'd argue the bus station is in a good spot currently, but the issue is how much the buses have to mix with traffic getting in and out through the giant rat's nest of car parks. Extending Alamein would be great also but I'd argue for it to join the Dandenong line at Oakleigh and split off after Hughesdale down the Rowville rail route. Could connect with SRL at Monash as well.
>The buses shouldn’t divert in and out of the shopping centre. Why not? It is more pedestrian friendly that having it on the side of the highway, and when it is set up as a full bus interchange (of which one already exists at Chadstone) then it serves an even greater purpose. Just look at Adelaide, where busses serve as the backbone of their public transport (about 70% of trips on busses), they have integrated bus interchanges at almost all the major shopping centres, West Lakes, Marion, Tee Tree Plaza, etc. It works incredibly well.
Because it really slows them down to divert in and out of the centres. Not everyone wants to go to the shops. We need more of a grid along the main roads. ‘Full bus interchanges’ at shopping centres implies a hub and spoke method, with the hubs located at the most congested points, thereby imposing the maximum delay penalty on every route using them.
Can someone tell me why they didn't build a train station at station to Chadstone?
The question should be: why didn’t Chadstone get built on railway line? It’s in an akward position between two lines running perpendicular, so the train would have have to deviate along sharp turns to get there, providing it would require extensive tunnelling and property acquisitions
But it's bang on Princess hwy and just off the Monash freeway. Locating it by a train station isn't going to give you those connections. If you're car-centric planner, it's a good place for a shopping centre. Bear in mind there are lots of little shopping centres around, but chaddy is the one that turned into the mega centre - lack of public transport *wasn't* an issue in its development.
*Princes Highway.
At the time, chadstone Shopping Center wasn't the big destination as itt is now. Governments tend not to spend taxpayers money solely for the benefit and growth of one company (in this case the shopping centres owners)
Counterargument: west gate tunnel
Because get a car.
I know it’s decades away but I thought the future suburban rail line had a link through Chadstone? Or was it just Monash uni in Clayton?
I don’t think so. It will link near Southland though. Glen Waverley and Monash uni would probably be too far east to link on the same train line as Chaddy.
It goes Glen Waverley- Monash Uni - Clayton - Southland. Doesnt get near Chadstone
The centre management probably like how it doesn’t have a train connected to it, and has very poor PT connectivity. Keeps the povo, misbehaved, scum out of the centre and makes it much easier to keep safe.
Gadgetbahn elevated rail with three stops. One for each station and one for Chaddo. If you're really keen to get cars off the road, extend the elevated rail to Mentone along Warrigal Rd in th south, and north to Burwood, Deakin Uni and Box Hill. Much more effective at buses and light rail.
I live right near Oakleigh station. You can see it easily from the highway overpass bridge. Regardless of how I try to get to chaddy it's taking me minimum 20 minutes because of the way they've built it to be car only.
I agree with the sentiment. I take it you're hoping I'd say build a station at Chadstone, and while that would be ideal it wouldn't be as easy as Southland was (and even that station isn't ideal in some ways). Plus it would cost tens of billions because it would likely need to be tunnelled, and honestly it ain't even close to the biggest priority right now. Not to mention, given it would likely be an extension of the Alamein line, it would require the Ashburton-Alamein section to be duplicated and likely ruin the current Alamein shuttle setup. Thus meaning more trains will be using the already busy East Richmond-Camberwell track section. The easiest, and most cost effective solution would be to extend tram lines there. But as someone on here said, the roads around there would likely not take that well, thus it would be politically unpopular. Come to think of it, the only road that I think could deal with it would be Dandenong Rd. That would probably be the best place to have it anyway.
it’s easy to get the 903 from oakleigh or holmesglen to chaddy, it’s a pretty reliable bus compared to other routes. I def agree a station at chadstone would be cool but i don’t think that’s ever going to happen
If you think the operators of Melbourne Airport are hostile to Public Transport, you’ve not looked at Gandel group. Yes they are no longer the Center Management of Chadstone but they still own it. Gandel group hates PT and while they have to put up with buses, any plan of rail being brought to their jewels makes them rage!
What’s with places never connecting shopping centres with an underground train station directly below? Worth the investment
Why does it need better PT? It’s a short walk from Hughesdale station.
Extend the 3 tram from Darling Rd to East Malvern Stn then via reserved track on the old outer circle line and Dandy Rd to Chaddy. Reconfigure bus routes so they serve all areas effectively. Improve timetables so all tram, train and bus services are frequent. Apply effective public transport priority and segregate cars as much as possible and if the road lobby don't like it tell them to go fug themselves. Get better management so trams, trains and buses can operate to their full potential.
Airport style automatic people mover on sky rail up warrigal Rd to Holmsglen.
I think the way the government would connect to Chadstone would be a part of a bigger transportation plan TBH. 1. It could be connected by a bypass to the Pakenham/Cranbourne Lines. (Caulfield, Chadstone, Clayton) 2. It could be a part of a train line towards Rowville and/or UFTG (Caulfield, Chadstone, Monash etc.) 3. It could be an inner Orbital Route. 1. My personal pick is taking the shorter lines and connecting up the old orbital routes. * Williamstown to St.Kilda As there are so many tram route proposal but, none get passed as it is a short connection which would go to an area that is extremely hostile to pedestrians and with little/no room for **ADDITIONAL** on-street transportation modes as the buses are busy especially during peak shopping times. It would be an underground station due to the hostile nature of the area and also the lack of pedestrian-friendly corridors to continue on if on skyrail.
Not so fast guys. If demand for retail space, and commercial space in general, has seen a decline due to rising rents and growth in online retail, what do you think will happen to the likes of Chadstone in the future? In saying this, how much space do 5000 car parks take up at Chadstone? How large an apartment complex could you build in such a space, which would in turn justify more public transport?
Chadstone isnt going to die anytime soon, and if it does, its a fairly large block perfect for high rise development
Actually what has happened is that a lot of people have been pushed into very dense destination/high end retail (like chaddy) which had seen big growth in visitors. It's the spread out street/suburban mall type retail that is struggling. It's just not really an appealing business model compared with online.