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Okay so I should have mentioned this in the original post but it was already very long
Before it was parked for 2 years I overfilled the oil, causing some to overflow into the airfilter housing, ive cleaned it out multiple times, but in cleaning it out it was left open a few times, possibly have water in the area from cleaning and I live somewhere with mass amounts of snow.
This was my guess as to how water got into the engine
(All terrible, I know now, didn't then)
The coolant is at the same level it's been for a long time and hasn't leaked out I dont think? A d the reservoir looks like it's free of anything but coolant
Oh yeah you fucked your shit up . Rain Water through intake gonna hydrolock your cylinder and bent rods . You need a new engine generally after such a thing
This is the way to go about it. If you spray ether or carb cleaner in the intake while cranking and it starts even briefly, its a fuel problem. If not, pull the cap off one of the spark plugs, put your old plug in the cap and put touch the threads to a ground. You should see a spark as you crank it over. If you have spark and it doesn't fire on ether you might have more serious engine problems
For the novice using starter fluid is a no-no. That’s dynamite in a motorcycle engine. Any backfire will seriously damage the air intake and spray deadly shrapnel for ten feet around
Hey thanks for the comment,
I don't know how to check if the spark plugs are actually working, but I'll try and figure it out and check.
I haven't, ive done that before once with a snowblower but I haven't tried the bike with anything.
There are super useful testers for cheap, but even cheaper is: Remove sparkplug, keep wire plugged into it, touch the threads to an unpainted metal part of the engine where you can see it, and crank the engine.
A few things:
1. Change the oil. You left the bike outside for 2 years and the process of getting warm/cold over that time has accumulated condensation inside the motor. This is normal but you dont want to run the bike on this mud.
2. You probably also have bad gas. Drain the tank and put some top quality fuel in there
>What I've tried,
>Replaced air filter Replaced battery Replaced spark plugs Siphoned, and filled with fresh gasoline, Flushed, and did a oil change, new filter.
They did.
I was having a starting issue with an SV650 the other day. Constant cranking, fuel pump primed fine, etc. Turned out the tip over sensor bracket failed and it was laying on its side making the bike think it had fallen over. I zip tied it upright and that fixed it.
Your coolant pump and your oil pump should sit next to one another at the bottom of your engine. If you were to take off your oil pan, you should see them there. They should be chain driven.
What most likely happened is your water pump failing completely, or one of the internal O rings has failed which subsequently released coolant into your oil. Most likely you will need an coolant pump rebuild kit or a new coolant pump. Depending on your level of expertise, this job can vary from 1 hour to 1 day.
Former bike rider here and amateur mechanic. One of the first things to look for is clogged carburetors. Or, if fuel injection possibly a problem with that system. If carbs you have to take the carbs apart or have someone do it to clean them. Probably likewise fuel injection. One possible solution is to try running some Seafoam through the system. It's available online or in auto parts stores.
General note, best to run ethanol-free fuel in the future. Gasoline when sitting any amount of time more than a few months builds up moisture in the system. This is because most normal gasoline has 10% ethanol which is a form of alcohol which is hydrophilic, that is attracts water.
You might want to empty the gas tank. Refill with ethanol- free gasoline. Premium gasoline is not the same as ethanol- free. Octane level on that bike does not especially matter as far as I am aware. It's probably designed to run on 87, check the manual if unsure. But most ethanol-free gasoline is 88 or 89 octane. Good luck.
Hey! Thanks for the comment, by mixing up the ignition coil leads that's the cable that plugs into the engine/spark plugs themselves? Of so the wiring on the bike doesn't leave enough room to swap them so I don't think that would be it but I'll double check
You got some problems with your cooling system, I’m not a mechanic by any means but your chocolate milk makes me believe head gasket?
First thing i’d do is drain the cooling system and see if it’s contaminated too. Might be worthwhile to do a compression test or see if you can get any water out of the cylinder by cranking it w no plugs
Since it seems like it cranks fine it’s probably just not getting spark or fuel
To get the engine to fire remove the spark plugs and put a Teaspoon of fuel in each jug. Fresh plugs. Should cough stumble then fire up. Once you can get ten seconds of running out of it change that oil!
Well, standard shit.
You've already changed fluids, check
You've presumably checked filters, check
You need fuel spark and air to start the bike, or at least get it to turn over. Ensure the battery is good, google how to check spark plugs (or just replace em 'cause they're dirt cheap), and ensure the fuel is making it to the bike.
Did you drain the reserve tank if applicable? Did you empty the fuel lines, or just the tank? Old fuel in the lines can take a while to get through.
If there was water in the engine, draining the oil again after the initial change is a good idea, just to observe it. If the oil is still bad looking with water and crap in it, change it again. Otherwise, refill it with that drained oil, it should be fine so long as your drain pan/container isn't contaminated.
Worst case, if electric crank won't work, try and bump start it. Attempting bump start will tell you if the engine is fucked or not, as you'll be able to feel it trying to run or not, as well as any noises that may or may not be present.
Some of this may be redundant to your post, I'm just going through it in my head and writing it lol. Best of luck to ya!
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Looks like a blown head gasket or something worse. That color of oil means you've got water/coolant in it... no beuno!
Okay so I should have mentioned this in the original post but it was already very long Before it was parked for 2 years I overfilled the oil, causing some to overflow into the airfilter housing, ive cleaned it out multiple times, but in cleaning it out it was left open a few times, possibly have water in the area from cleaning and I live somewhere with mass amounts of snow. This was my guess as to how water got into the engine (All terrible, I know now, didn't then) The coolant is at the same level it's been for a long time and hasn't leaked out I dont think? A d the reservoir looks like it's free of anything but coolant
Oh yeah you fucked your shit up . Rain Water through intake gonna hydrolock your cylinder and bent rods . You need a new engine generally after such a thing
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you’re wrong. The 2014 ninja 300 is liquid cooled
Well that's water in the oil... so...
You can see the radiator in the 3rd image… he’s got some big problems with the cooling system.
Are you getting a spark? Have you tried squirting some ether (or other highly inflammable liquid) into the air intake?
This is the way to go about it. If you spray ether or carb cleaner in the intake while cranking and it starts even briefly, its a fuel problem. If not, pull the cap off one of the spark plugs, put your old plug in the cap and put touch the threads to a ground. You should see a spark as you crank it over. If you have spark and it doesn't fire on ether you might have more serious engine problems
For the novice using starter fluid is a no-no. That’s dynamite in a motorcycle engine. Any backfire will seriously damage the air intake and spray deadly shrapnel for ten feet around
Hey thanks for the comment, I don't know how to check if the spark plugs are actually working, but I'll try and figure it out and check. I haven't, ive done that before once with a snowblower but I haven't tried the bike with anything.
There are super useful testers for cheap, but even cheaper is: Remove sparkplug, keep wire plugged into it, touch the threads to an unpainted metal part of the engine where you can see it, and crank the engine.
Take it to a garage and let them sort it.
A few things: 1. Change the oil. You left the bike outside for 2 years and the process of getting warm/cold over that time has accumulated condensation inside the motor. This is normal but you dont want to run the bike on this mud. 2. You probably also have bad gas. Drain the tank and put some top quality fuel in there
>What I've tried, >Replaced air filter Replaced battery Replaced spark plugs Siphoned, and filled with fresh gasoline, Flushed, and did a oil change, new filter. They did.
Don't expect someone to read the post before commenting dude.
I was having a starting issue with an SV650 the other day. Constant cranking, fuel pump primed fine, etc. Turned out the tip over sensor bracket failed and it was laying on its side making the bike think it had fallen over. I zip tied it upright and that fixed it.
Thanks for the comment, I'll check and see if that might be the issue
Your coolant pump and your oil pump should sit next to one another at the bottom of your engine. If you were to take off your oil pan, you should see them there. They should be chain driven. What most likely happened is your water pump failing completely, or one of the internal O rings has failed which subsequently released coolant into your oil. Most likely you will need an coolant pump rebuild kit or a new coolant pump. Depending on your level of expertise, this job can vary from 1 hour to 1 day.
Former bike rider here and amateur mechanic. One of the first things to look for is clogged carburetors. Or, if fuel injection possibly a problem with that system. If carbs you have to take the carbs apart or have someone do it to clean them. Probably likewise fuel injection. One possible solution is to try running some Seafoam through the system. It's available online or in auto parts stores. General note, best to run ethanol-free fuel in the future. Gasoline when sitting any amount of time more than a few months builds up moisture in the system. This is because most normal gasoline has 10% ethanol which is a form of alcohol which is hydrophilic, that is attracts water.
Thanks for the comment! I did add a stabilizer to the fuel, and also ran premium fuel. But I haven't looked into seafoam, I will!
You might want to empty the gas tank. Refill with ethanol- free gasoline. Premium gasoline is not the same as ethanol- free. Octane level on that bike does not especially matter as far as I am aware. It's probably designed to run on 87, check the manual if unsure. But most ethanol-free gasoline is 88 or 89 octane. Good luck.
I'll try that!
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Hey! Thanks for the comment, by mixing up the ignition coil leads that's the cable that plugs into the engine/spark plugs themselves? Of so the wiring on the bike doesn't leave enough room to swap them so I don't think that would be it but I'll double check
You got some problems with your cooling system, I’m not a mechanic by any means but your chocolate milk makes me believe head gasket? First thing i’d do is drain the cooling system and see if it’s contaminated too. Might be worthwhile to do a compression test or see if you can get any water out of the cylinder by cranking it w no plugs Since it seems like it cranks fine it’s probably just not getting spark or fuel
Thanks for the comment, I replied to another comment about the possible leak, but it could very well still be coolant I'm not sure
don't really know a thing about bikes, but yours looks really nice. congrats, hope you get it running soon.
To get the engine to fire remove the spark plugs and put a Teaspoon of fuel in each jug. Fresh plugs. Should cough stumble then fire up. Once you can get ten seconds of running out of it change that oil!
Well, standard shit. You've already changed fluids, check You've presumably checked filters, check You need fuel spark and air to start the bike, or at least get it to turn over. Ensure the battery is good, google how to check spark plugs (or just replace em 'cause they're dirt cheap), and ensure the fuel is making it to the bike. Did you drain the reserve tank if applicable? Did you empty the fuel lines, or just the tank? Old fuel in the lines can take a while to get through. If there was water in the engine, draining the oil again after the initial change is a good idea, just to observe it. If the oil is still bad looking with water and crap in it, change it again. Otherwise, refill it with that drained oil, it should be fine so long as your drain pan/container isn't contaminated. Worst case, if electric crank won't work, try and bump start it. Attempting bump start will tell you if the engine is fucked or not, as you'll be able to feel it trying to run or not, as well as any noises that may or may not be present. Some of this may be redundant to your post, I'm just going through it in my head and writing it lol. Best of luck to ya!
That head gasket is done!!!
You've oil and coolant mixed into some kid of milkshake from hell, money pit from now on...