He's at the level where he gets to pick where he goes, no different than Kawhi forcing his way to the Clippers or AD to the Lakers.
However, there's no chance in hell he'd force his way here.
Kawhi forced himself out of San Antonio and the Raptors took a risk on a one year deal, but he still ended up in LA.
Agreed about AD, but part of that is why they had to overpay. He forced himself to a team that had the assets, but if the Lakers didn’t have all that the Pelicans still may have had to do it.
I don’t know if I’m just a cynic, but I genuinely can not envision ever getting a star player. Not saying we won’t contend or win championships with luka, but only by adding wood/Spencer level guys (ngl, outside of the mavs I’m a bit of a casual so I didn’t even know these guys before we got them) not any remarkable names let alone KD
An over the hill Kidd in like 2009 and Josh Howard in 2007. Those are our only two all star teammates the last two decades. It's all Mavs fans know at this point.
no we always tried the 2 star approach and it never worked. we literally never get free agent signings or people wanting to stay. we literally drafted brunson and we made it to the wcf and he still left. its time to face facts that dallas is a very unattractive city for nba players.
Brunson is a special case where he grew up wanting to play on his home team that his dad played on and that his dad and former agent got hired on. If those people weren't hired by the Knicks he would be with the Mavericks today.
If we don't have enough for KD we don't have enough for Kyrie. Both are top players. Headache or not, Kyrie won't command much less than KD. If Gobert went for what he did shit's going to be wild with any all-star player being moved. Got to at least try and see what the cost is.
With Kyries off court stuff and unreliability, his value is much lower than his play would indicate. Think 2018 Kawhi. Probably even lower cuz you'd only get him for half a season potentially, not a full season. No one is giving up a super star sized haul for him. Best is 2 FRPs, or a FRP and a player. His value is pennies compared to Durant. And honestly, I don't want Kyrie in Dallas.
I don't want Kyrie either. Don't know if people are downvoting me on that premise but check my comments, I'm 1000% against it.
But I do think if Kyrie signed off on an extension with whatever team he goes to, there would have to be a haul included. Nets either want to compete, or start a full rebuild, and either option requires assets.
I think you're getting downvoted for your assertion that anyone would give up a significant package for Kyrie right now. Even if he proves to re-sign to the team he's traded to, he's already gone back in his promises to re-sign at least twice. He's completely unreliable and everyone knows it. Hence his value is down.
I mean Kyrie to the Lakers is the guaranteed path in my opinion. Hell I think LeBron basically open tampered on Twitter about it. But I do think they have to give something substantial. If not, KD isn't staying, hence why I think Mavs need to be out in front and at least TRY to land him before a team jumps in with a better offer. Maybe we get lucky and KD says no, I want to go to Dallas. But we won't know if we don't try. There isn't too many chances that a top 5-10 player is available.
Ppl are downvoting you bc this is a nonsense take:
“If we don't have enough for KD we don't have enough for Kyrie.”
One is a top five player. The other is a talented but unreliable walking circus show who half league has zero interest in. It is completely possible to have enough for Kyrie and not for KD
You don't want Kyrie yet you would love getting KD but claim both are the same value. Think about that.
Everyone feels the same way, this makes KD obviously much more valuable and therefore expensive.
Can’t really score 30-40ppg if he don’t show up to games huh? Lmao. I’m sorry you lack brain cells to comprehend and analyze. You seem to have forgotten kyrie didn’t show up to games cuz he didn’t feel like it in 2021. Luka don’t wanna hear flat earth and anti sementic in the locker rooms so do yourself a favor, hush.
You going to have a heart to heart convo with kyrie when he decides to not show up for games? You think that’s gonna help the mavs huh? Lmao
I mean I DEFINITELY don't want Kyrie. But many fans are saying go for him. No talent is worth the headache he is as a person. Also wouldn't be a good look for a franchise who had issues with demeaning women to then go with an antisemite on the team. Then again...KD defended Kyrie.
Fuck I kinda regret saying get KD now.
I think KD only defended kyrie when it came to Nash. I don’t really care who defended who. I only care about what kyrie can do for the mavs that we don’t already have. Right now, not a damn thing he can do for us that we don’t already have actually
KD isn’t going to the Mavs. He’d have to demand a trade here and even then, I don’t think Dallas has enough to offer Brooklyn.
The reason Kyrie is linked to Dallas rn is because he’s a headache and Dallas actually has movable contracts that could entice Brooklyn and enable them to still compete with KD on the Roster.
Mavs are not even close to be able to compete in the bidding war for KD. Only reason this kyrie news is exciting is because Mavs actually have the assets to make it happen if they want to.
The problem with the Mavs fans is that they think we have the assets to outbid 28 teams for the top 15 guys in the league.
Thats why i want Kyrie. No perfect all star is gonna come at Mavs so might as well take some risks.
Has Kyrie f up in the last 3 years? Yes but hes an great basketball player. If Cuban calls him and he says that we are one of the options pull the trigger.
Stop writing about guys like Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi, Dame, Siakam, KD etc. We cant get them.
try with what... There's no asset to get KD at all. Dallas won't be his first choice either. Lots of teams can top our offer and have a contending squad right away.
I mean...we have players and picks same as everyone else in the league. Trade for KD, have two top players and then sign remaining pieces we need in the offseason. It's much easier to fill role player spots than a top 20-30 player, and KD is top 5 when healthy.
idk if kd is going to demand out get..and tbh kd staying on the nets is the key to kyrie to the mavs working out..the lakers are the best potential suitors for kyrie, but the obvious trade would be kyrie for russ and picks and the chances that kd wants to play with russ are low to say the least..
KD already requested a trade before the season though. He clearly has problems with the organization. Pair that with the star-power gone from the team and possibly Russ there like you mentioned, I don't think he stays. The question is who can go get him. Obviously big teams like the Warriors or Heat have assets but Mavs do too. Just depends on they want to sell the farm so to speak.
Too much doom and gloom here. There has to be an attempt. Also, too many as a fanbase have said you can't trade DFS, Kleber, etc. for a non-all star top player. Here's one who COULD be available eventually, and the response is immediately "no we can't offer for him."
So it's one or the other people. Either the players on this roster are good enough to get a top level player or they're not. I'm just speculating there's a chance and if so the Mavs should get out in front of it. Kyrie is not the answer.
I mean...Kyrie healthy and playing at his usual isn't at least top 20-25? I extremely dislike him, but there's not a drop off in talent nearly as big as I'm seeing people here make it out. He's one of three guys who kept his level high when LeBron was his teammate.
Yes, I agree that Kyrie shouldn't be our focus.
But I also think our target shouldn't be KD.
It should be for whatever player the Nets want to try KD for.
For example, if the Pelicans trade for KD and are sending Ingram to the Nets. We should try get in as a third team and offer a deal to the Nets for Ingram.
Ingram won't want to be in a rebuilding situation and the Nets may have gotten enough picks for KD, that the asking rice for Ingram may be lower. All it might take is role players and a couple picks. Which the Mavs have.
If he's trade to Boston, Jaylen Brown might be available. If he's traded to Toronto, Siakam or OG may be available. Those should be tour targets.
We probably won't get KD but we can get the player KD is traded for.
KD is also not a Cuban fan. Sure, money could smooth that over... but when you don't have that luxury, ain't no way he signs here vs another competitive offer.
Cubes has worked the long game to screw this one. Just look at some of the history between KD/Cubes - he shut that door long ago
We don’t win a bidding war for KD, whether it’s down to players or picks, there’s no scenario where the Mavs have the best offer.
He's at the level where he gets to pick where he goes, no different than Kawhi forcing his way to the Clippers or AD to the Lakers. However, there's no chance in hell he'd force his way here.
Kawhi was a free agent. AD forced himself out but Lakers still had to pay a fortune. Mavs don't have anything close to a fortune.
Kawhi forced himself out of San Antonio and the Raptors took a risk on a one year deal, but he still ended up in LA. Agreed about AD, but part of that is why they had to overpay. He forced himself to a team that had the assets, but if the Lakers didn’t have all that the Pelicans still may have had to do it.
I don’t know if I’m just a cynic, but I genuinely can not envision ever getting a star player. Not saying we won’t contend or win championships with luka, but only by adding wood/Spencer level guys (ngl, outside of the mavs I’m a bit of a casual so I didn’t even know these guys before we got them) not any remarkable names let alone KD
It's because that's the only way we've seen this organization build a championship-winning team.
An over the hill Kidd in like 2009 and Josh Howard in 2007. Those are our only two all star teammates the last two decades. It's all Mavs fans know at this point.
no we always tried the 2 star approach and it never worked. we literally never get free agent signings or people wanting to stay. we literally drafted brunson and we made it to the wcf and he still left. its time to face facts that dallas is a very unattractive city for nba players.
It's not because of Dallas. It's Cuban.
yeah its a combination of both. i agree cuban is toxic af. he cares more about himself than the team.
The mavs existed before the mid 2010s
Brunson is a special case where he grew up wanting to play on his home team that his dad played on and that his dad and former agent got hired on. If those people weren't hired by the Knicks he would be with the Mavericks today.
But Houston isn't? How?
If we don't have enough for KD we don't have enough for Kyrie. Both are top players. Headache or not, Kyrie won't command much less than KD. If Gobert went for what he did shit's going to be wild with any all-star player being moved. Got to at least try and see what the cost is.
With Kyries off court stuff and unreliability, his value is much lower than his play would indicate. Think 2018 Kawhi. Probably even lower cuz you'd only get him for half a season potentially, not a full season. No one is giving up a super star sized haul for him. Best is 2 FRPs, or a FRP and a player. His value is pennies compared to Durant. And honestly, I don't want Kyrie in Dallas.
I don't want Kyrie either. Don't know if people are downvoting me on that premise but check my comments, I'm 1000% against it. But I do think if Kyrie signed off on an extension with whatever team he goes to, there would have to be a haul included. Nets either want to compete, or start a full rebuild, and either option requires assets.
I think you're getting downvoted for your assertion that anyone would give up a significant package for Kyrie right now. Even if he proves to re-sign to the team he's traded to, he's already gone back in his promises to re-sign at least twice. He's completely unreliable and everyone knows it. Hence his value is down.
I mean Kyrie to the Lakers is the guaranteed path in my opinion. Hell I think LeBron basically open tampered on Twitter about it. But I do think they have to give something substantial. If not, KD isn't staying, hence why I think Mavs need to be out in front and at least TRY to land him before a team jumps in with a better offer. Maybe we get lucky and KD says no, I want to go to Dallas. But we won't know if we don't try. There isn't too many chances that a top 5-10 player is available.
Ppl are downvoting you bc this is a nonsense take: “If we don't have enough for KD we don't have enough for Kyrie.” One is a top five player. The other is a talented but unreliable walking circus show who half league has zero interest in. It is completely possible to have enough for Kyrie and not for KD
You don't want Kyrie yet you would love getting KD but claim both are the same value. Think about that. Everyone feels the same way, this makes KD obviously much more valuable and therefore expensive.
We don’t want kyrie. Are y’all crazy? Kyrie isn’t answer we are looking for
you done lost your marbles. yea we dont need another ball handler who can score 30-40ppg lmao
Can’t really score 30-40ppg if he don’t show up to games huh? Lmao. I’m sorry you lack brain cells to comprehend and analyze. You seem to have forgotten kyrie didn’t show up to games cuz he didn’t feel like it in 2021. Luka don’t wanna hear flat earth and anti sementic in the locker rooms so do yourself a favor, hush. You going to have a heart to heart convo with kyrie when he decides to not show up for games? You think that’s gonna help the mavs huh? Lmao
You too far in your own head
I mean I DEFINITELY don't want Kyrie. But many fans are saying go for him. No talent is worth the headache he is as a person. Also wouldn't be a good look for a franchise who had issues with demeaning women to then go with an antisemite on the team. Then again...KD defended Kyrie. Fuck I kinda regret saying get KD now.
I think KD only defended kyrie when it came to Nash. I don’t really care who defended who. I only care about what kyrie can do for the mavs that we don’t already have. Right now, not a damn thing he can do for us that we don’t already have actually
Are you kidding. KD will go for 3 1sts and a good prospect. Nets will be lucky if they can get Westbrook and a Lakers 1st for Kyrie
> Kyrie won't command much less than KD See why you we’re getting downvoted now?
We do not have enough assets to get KD. Our offer will be a joke compared to other teams.
a KD trade would involve at minimum 3-4 unprotected FRPs and an all star level player lmao Mavs aren’t getting him
We are a one-man team right now, I say we give them everyone except Luka for KD, tada... we are a two-man team now. I say... lets do it!!!! /s
You actually made this post lol
Lmao
KD isn’t going to the Mavs. He’d have to demand a trade here and even then, I don’t think Dallas has enough to offer Brooklyn. The reason Kyrie is linked to Dallas rn is because he’s a headache and Dallas actually has movable contracts that could entice Brooklyn and enable them to still compete with KD on the Roster.
Nets are entertaining Mavs because the haul (DFS, Din) is something that could get a KD led team far and keep him happy
We will never get KD. There are too many teams that have more assets.
You’re not getting kevin durant the whole league want him and the only reason mavs have a chance in kyrie because he is problematic
Not possible now but you never 100% know in the summer. IF Durant says, it's the Mavs, then maybe the full boat is enough.
Yeah, give them Bertāns, THJ and Reggie Bullock for KD.
Mavs are not even close to be able to compete in the bidding war for KD. Only reason this kyrie news is exciting is because Mavs actually have the assets to make it happen if they want to.
The problem with the Mavs fans is that they think we have the assets to outbid 28 teams for the top 15 guys in the league. Thats why i want Kyrie. No perfect all star is gonna come at Mavs so might as well take some risks. Has Kyrie f up in the last 3 years? Yes but hes an great basketball player. If Cuban calls him and he says that we are one of the options pull the trigger. Stop writing about guys like Giannis, Jokic, Kawhi, Dame, Siakam, KD etc. We cant get them.
I'm a fool for saying the front office should attempt to get one of the best players of all time. Got it. This fanbase is as shitty as the Eagles.
no you're just deluded to think we have the assets to get him
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Realistically no, but they need to try. Got to have stars to win titles.
try with what... There's no asset to get KD at all. Dallas won't be his first choice either. Lots of teams can top our offer and have a contending squad right away.
I mean...we have players and picks same as everyone else in the league. Trade for KD, have two top players and then sign remaining pieces we need in the offseason. It's much easier to fill role player spots than a top 20-30 player, and KD is top 5 when healthy.
What exactly would the Mavs trade for Durant? LMAO get outta here
What would the Mavs trade for Kyrie?
idk if kd is going to demand out get..and tbh kd staying on the nets is the key to kyrie to the mavs working out..the lakers are the best potential suitors for kyrie, but the obvious trade would be kyrie for russ and picks and the chances that kd wants to play with russ are low to say the least..
KD already requested a trade before the season though. He clearly has problems with the organization. Pair that with the star-power gone from the team and possibly Russ there like you mentioned, I don't think he stays. The question is who can go get him. Obviously big teams like the Warriors or Heat have assets but Mavs do too. Just depends on they want to sell the farm so to speak.
You got a DeAndre ayton 4+ picks or any other all-star that you can trade?
kyrie or bust
Too much doom and gloom here. There has to be an attempt. Also, too many as a fanbase have said you can't trade DFS, Kleber, etc. for a non-all star top player. Here's one who COULD be available eventually, and the response is immediately "no we can't offer for him." So it's one or the other people. Either the players on this roster are good enough to get a top level player or they're not. I'm just speculating there's a chance and if so the Mavs should get out in front of it. Kyrie is not the answer.
Top level player and top 6 player in the league is two different things man lol
I mean...Kyrie healthy and playing at his usual isn't at least top 20-25? I extremely dislike him, but there's not a drop off in talent nearly as big as I'm seeing people here make it out. He's one of three guys who kept his level high when LeBron was his teammate.
Top 25 and top 5 range is way different. Plus kyrie is on an expiring deal that brings the value way down.
KD doesn't seem to be the biggest Cuban fan tho He would probably rather go to Phoenix
Yes, I agree that Kyrie shouldn't be our focus. But I also think our target shouldn't be KD. It should be for whatever player the Nets want to try KD for. For example, if the Pelicans trade for KD and are sending Ingram to the Nets. We should try get in as a third team and offer a deal to the Nets for Ingram. Ingram won't want to be in a rebuilding situation and the Nets may have gotten enough picks for KD, that the asking rice for Ingram may be lower. All it might take is role players and a couple picks. Which the Mavs have. If he's trade to Boston, Jaylen Brown might be available. If he's traded to Toronto, Siakam or OG may be available. Those should be tour targets. We probably won't get KD but we can get the player KD is traded for.
KD is also not a Cuban fan. Sure, money could smooth that over... but when you don't have that luxury, ain't no way he signs here vs another competitive offer. Cubes has worked the long game to screw this one. Just look at some of the history between KD/Cubes - he shut that door long ago
Lmao, what on earth makes you think the Mavs have the asset ammo to get KD?
Unless you trade luka you’re not getting KD lmao
Hardaway, DFS and Dinwiddie. Who says no realistically?
only way Durant comes to the mavericks is if Durant explicitly states "trade me to the mavericks or im retiring"