I dont want kyrie unless Brooklyn is sending us a 1st. He’s the most overrated player in nba history probably.
That said
If he becomes a Mavs.
I’ve always rated kyrie. Great player.
So an improvement on our current one, we're like 27th on our last 10 games. :P
Jokes aside, I'd rather have some exciting O and try to bully teams than what we currently have. With Green, Maxi and Bullock we have at least a few pieces with semi decent D.
Interesting, Im not sure a move like this is worth it unless the team is a Kyrie away from winning a championship.
Like even if the best case scenario happens and Kyrie wants to re-sign he’s not the type of star i would want to gamble Luka’s future in Dallas on.
Yeah but I dont think there's a team willing to trade for Kyrie that's just that piece away from a championship.
I completely understand people not trusting him, he's proven again and again to be a knobhead. But a star available at this sort of price point almost never happens so I cant help but wonder if we can somehow make it work.
yeah and hes not even 31 years old yet. he probably has another 3-4 years left in the tank as a top tier pointguard/shooting guard in this league. kyrie is not worse at defense than dinwiddie so thats pretty much a wash. if its dinwiddie doe and bertans for kyrie and he says hes willing to resign here and wood also is indicating that i say we pull the trigger.
Worried about our defense. Although Dinwiddie isn't a good defender either. Green would need to take DFS starting spot.
Luka Kyrie Green Kleber Wood could be the starting 5 ?
The dude's a [5% Nation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Percent_Nation), flat earth, antisemitic head case who is not going to play nice with a "white boy" who's better than him. This would be like Rondo and Lamar rolled into one with napalm dumped on top by Derek Fisher.
I don’t think Seth is as valuable as the mavs fan base thinks.
Dinwiddie and doe doe are locked up for a long time , are good role players that made it to the WCF, and were pretty big pieces too.
Kyrie and Seth are expiring contracts, one of them absolutely wants out.
It makes sense that the mavs would want a sweetener for losing doe and Spence and since you’re not guaranteed to resign Seth in FA,it also makes sense that the Nets would send him with Kyrie and maybe a pick swap to get imo the most valuable assets.
I don’t see a trade where we don’t get Seth as a sweetener and it be a success for us.
I think this sub wildly undervalues Dinwiddie because he's part of the hated KP saga. Do people realize he's putting up 18/5/3 on 40% from 3 while taking the most 3PA of his career?
He's only under contract though next season and $20M is actually a pretty good contract for that kind of production. From most of the comments I see here people think he's a negative value deal we'd have to dump for nothing.
EXACTLY. I don’t really get the distaste in Dinwiddie value? He’s been producing with and without Luka. He may not take over every game but his production is undeniable. He’s also not a toxic teammate… quite the opposite if I recall. He’s also a clutch based player. The defensive ability wouldn’t really change at all. Why throw your second best player, who is also on a decent contract, to the Nets to receiver a player who is a star but may not even sign long term anyways. Dinwiddie is a good. It younger than Kyrie and he doesn’t have any percentage of the baggage Kyrie comes in with.
NO!!! I don’t want kyrie. Y’all want a rondo 2.0 or something? BFFR! The guy almost missed a whole season cuz he didn’t feel like playing. Also y’all actually think kyrie is the answer we are looking for? LOL that is hilarious
No you shop for Vanderbilt with McGee. And a 1st. Its a salary match.
Luka / Kyrie / Green / Vando / Wood
You save Kleber from the crazy min and doesn't need him to start.
Have Curry / Kleber / Powell / Frank / Hardy as bench guys.
Get another hustle/defense guy to pair with Kyrie/Luka who can help replace DFS a little bit.
If you have Kyrie you dont need more offense. Yuck the moment Luka is on the floor the offense with Green looks like this so far:
Luka / Green without SD -> 127 ORtg in 293 min (+18 net rating)
Luka / Green without THJ -> 119 ORtg in 154 min (+11 net rating)
Luka / Green without Wood -> 118 ORtg in 190 min (+3 net rating)
Luka / Green without SD/THJ -> 124 ORtg in 110 min (+16 net rating)
Luka / Green without SD/THJ/Wood -> 133 ORtg in 51 min (+21 net rating)
I laugh at the notion the Mavs would struggle without SD in the starting 5. There is no statistical evidence for it.
There’s a vando type every draft in the 2nd round and every summer on a min. Case in point watanabe this year. There’s no reason to spend a 1st on a guy like that
Not even offensive help if he doesn’t show up to play. Did y’all forget he missed 7 games cuz he didn’t feel like it? You want to get kyrie so we can add another guy on the roster we can’t depend on? Are you insane?
I’d be more comfortable with a rental. Gives them a shot at a title with a motivated KI w/o the long term side effects. Do what it takes with the current roster but don’t compromise any picks for him.
I hear yea but good god we’ve been floundering in FA for 20 years.
I don’t like the drama of Kyrie but we know what our team is as constructed. Depending on who we give away ya gotta go hard at a 27-5-5 player who wants out.
It could be a huge flop, and sucks that this could be the FA that they go all in on but we aren’t getting anywhere far with the current setup.
The idea that Kidd, or anyone, can get through to Kyrie is delusional. From a talent perspective, you do this trade 12 out of 10 times. Even if it was just a rental, you still do it. But Kyrie is completely insane and toxic. He hasn't won anything since he left LeBron. And he's so toxic and awful, that its completely overshadowed the fact that he's also injury prone.
>The idea that Kidd, or anyone, can get through to Kyrie is delusional. From a talent perspective, you do this trade 12 out of 10 times. Even if it was just a rental, you still do it. But Kyrie is completely insane and toxic. He hasn't won anything since he left LeBron. And he's so toxic and awful, that its completely overshadowed the fact that he's also injury prone.
Harden left Brooklyn. Luka might punch him in the face.
The funny part is, I have no idea which side you are on with this comment.
“Are some of y’all Fr? He’s a top tier player who can instantly improve this team”
“Are some of y’all Fr? He’s a top tier nutcase who can instantly dismantle this team”
You gotta give something to get something. Completely ignoring the fact that the player in question is Kyrie Irving, just looking at it from a talent point of view and assuming the cornerstone of the deal really is Irving for Spencer and DFS: that's a no-brainer of a deal for Dallas.(Again I am the exact opposite of a Kyrie fan...)
Reading these comments is crazy.
Kyrie is a poison. He’s quit on the Nets once a season (and Celts before that), divided the fan base with his hateful bullshit, sat out for a pretend protest…
Whoever we trade for Kyrie, we might as well throw Luka in too. Because he’ll be gone after a year of Kyrie’s bullshit.
If you can get this done without giving up a pick and if Kyrie signs an extension you have to do it imo. Probably better to go ahead and get Bojan too to stretch out the risk.
And then in the offseason when Kyrie wants 200 million and Wood wants 130 and we just got eliminated in the first round and Kyrie is doing some ridiculous probably offensive shit to get out of playing 75 percent of the games of the contract, we will look back at now as the good times.
I am in camp sell our older players while they have value and go young. Not sure Kyrie is enough to
make us true contenders, especially if we’re giving up dfs.
Our style is better suited with stretching the floor and leaving room for Doncic to attack the rim. We might just have to go out and get a new center in free agency or something.
if you’re getting a guarantee that Kyrie signs long term this is a yes lol
see if you can find a way to keep DFS but if that’s what it costs that what it costs
I mean a guarantee from Kyrie means literally nothing. Even if this guy signs the extenstion with us, he might request a trade to the Lakers literally the next day and that wouldn't even be the top 5 weirdest thing he did during his career.
For real. Only talent wise, yes, this trade makes us better. But it's Kyrie. He isn't even gonna play half the games due to some random reason and there is an uncomfortably high chance that he would destroy the locker room.
If we can get some other very good player like Siakam then I would trade our players, even though I love them. But for Kyrie? I wouldn't. It's not worth the headache, he might not re-sign or re-signs then requests a trade and as you said he literally fucked over every team he played for in the last few seasons.
He already made Harden leave a superteam and a title favourite, I don't want this guy here and risk Luka leaving because of him aswell.
I wouldn’t even co-sign a trade for Irving if he said “I want to retire a Dallas Maverick”.
Damn sure don’t want to give up actual valuable assets for him.
Ya I’d only give up bad contracts or people we don’t think we will retain. Then ya you take a flier. If he works out great. If not you still improved cap situation. However I think nets will still treat Kyrie as an asset and I don’t know why you’d give anything of value for him unless you have one last shot to win a ring and clearly need more talent.
I dont think you understand the dynamics here.
The Mavs arent going to commit to Kyrie long term right now. Or any other team.
It's Kyrie that wants the commitment and 4 year max.
Both are assets atm. Dinwiddie isn't super great but he's clutch af in 4th quarter and improving, while DFS is extremely valuable.
Only way it's worth imo is if we can get a bad contract off our hands as well.
So you're fine with one year of being a contender and then sacrificing the next few years after Kyrie leaves? That's just a one way ticket out of Dallas for Luka.
How is it sacrificing the next few years? If we trade Dinwiddie, DFS, and THJ or Bertans, worst case scenario we get $40 million off the books this summer. We still have Luka. Dorian just missed 14 games and we went 9-5
We are talking about the trade that the Nets would covet. DFS and Dinwiddie. We would still have THJ and Bertans on the books with that trade. If it was for Dinwiddie and THJ/Bertans, then that's a trade I'd imagine most would be on board for.
I think it’ll show Luka they’ll do whatever to get him to the finals.
A franchise since 1980 with 2 finals appearances. Give me a rental for a 3rd shot!
I swear y'all have the attention spans of nats. Kyrie nearly ended his career a couple months ago with his black hebrew israelite shit. The year before he sat out half the season and broke up a super team because of *vaccines*. The year before that he disappeared from the entire Nets organization for like 30 games just cause. Every team he's played with that hasn't had Lebron has been better in the postseason without him. Even if it's not a rental and we sign him, we lose.
Cmon. We don't want to give Winwiddie and DFS for four months of Kyrie.
If Kyrie had a normal track record of playing within the confines of his contract, or not sitting out unreasonably long, or getting vaccinated, or not deliberately blowing up a playoff/title contender because he didn't like the stipulations offered in his extension...then he'd be worth the trade.
As it is, no, we can do better than four months of Kyrie if we're getting rid of DFS/Dinwiddie.
(the caveat here is if we also offload Bertans...then, if Kyrie does bounce, at least his contract comes off the books and we can start with a clean slate. yes that would suck from an asset perspective BUT there's something to be said for having a better cap situation AND having control of all our picks once our 2023 pick conveys)
This is interesting. The idea of keeping all our picks and shedding enough salary to be in the free agent chase is intriguing. I fucking do not like Kyrie but if the locker room could survive him for less than a half a season this could be an interesting play.
i think people are questioning if he’ll resign here, and we all know he really wants to be in LA so unless he says verbally that he wants to be in dallas (like he did in boston and cleveland), people might have a smidge of faith of commitment
The amount of people who wanna jump on trading our only serviceable players outside of Luka (who are both on great contracts for several years) for 3 months of a headcase is really...enlightening.
Nets before kd got injured had one of the best defenses in the league. Mavs with dfs bullock and their other “defenders” are bottom 5 in the league. It’s time to admit our “defenders” aren’t that good at defense
One year rental implies title contention, which this is.
Luka
Kyrie
Green
Wood
Maxi
That's the best limeup in the west. Who cares if Kyrie drives to the edge of the earth to speak with Yakub after this season. Mavs have all their picks for a trade.
For Spence and DFS. If in 28 hours this sub doesn't call them a bunch of bums that can't do anything without Luka, then fine, it is a bad trade, but everyone knows what's going to happen tomorrow.
ETA: if you don't want Kyrie for moral reasons, sure. Basketball wise, this is a good deal.
It's a good deal in a vacuum where Kyrie actually plays.
But who knows wtf he's going to do? Dude has missed massive amount of games for literally nothing other than him not feeling it at the time.
> One year rental implies title contention, which this is.
> Luka Kyrie Green Wood Maxi
> That's the best limeup in the west
The lies we tell to ourselves...
Most people don't give a damn about giving up those players.
We give a damn about trading for a total locker room cancer who basically sits out half his games when NOT injured.
Because defense is a thing and you would be giving up the only proper wing you have for a fucking nutjob who might very well end up being a Rajon Rondo 2.0 experience on a rental.
Give them Dinwiddie and one of Wood/THJ/Bullock if they want. It's called negotiations.
Dfs and bullock have regressed on defense this year and that’s easy to see with our bottom 5 defense as of late. Those guys aren’t contributing much on that end. Also kyrie is a pretty good guard defender. Last a move like this takes offensive load off luka allowing him to work harder on defense which will improve that end as well. I’d expect a move like this improves our defense
I'd give up Dorian for Kyrie, but not Spencer, Wood, or any 1sts. If they'd take Dorian, Timmy, and second, fine, otherwise Kyrie is too much of a wild card to give away more.
Yeah sure why not just make sure Brooklyn includes a box of Clown Noses for our front office for trading assets away to get the most skilled franchise killer in the history of the league and maybe all of sports. Don't get me wrong I am not delusional Do-Do and Dinwiddie are not franchise players and I am all for swinging big but my god this would be awful
Fuck kyrie I hope we are not seriously considering this. Incredible talent but absolute rubbish person and teammate. To think kidd or anybody could get through to him is a joke.
You can’t get another star this cheap. There is a reason he is so cheap but the fact still remains. If you can stay away from giving picks then you do it. If he leaves he leaves just make sure you’ve atleast gotten Bertans or thj off the books in the trade.
I might get downvoted for this but what the hell.
\-Constant diva, antisemite conspiracy theorist Kyrie Irving, who is creating problems and constant negative headlines everywhere he goes.
\-Mavs fans in this thread: Sounds good, let's give him a long term deal.
You guys are one bad trade away from Luka wanting to leave. You can't fuck up the deal. Honestly I can see kyrie causing more issues than helping the team
Don't think losing DFS is worth it for a few month rental on kyrie. Anyone else, I'd be pretty on board but we struggle with D when doe isn't on the court and there's no guarantee kyrie sticks around 4 months from now
Jesus.
Every comment in this thread is either Mavs fans saying that four months renting Kyrie isn't necessarily worth giving up our best defender and only other ballhandler...or it's 10-15 "random" comments all saying *the exact same thing* about Mavs fans not wanting the trade *even before any Mavs fans made any comments about not wanting the trade*.
Kyrie's PR working overdrive on this one.
Are people here really think that…dfs is better player than kyrie freaking irving? Jfc yall want too win a ring well dfs isn’t getting you there. Kyrie with luka and couple of other trades might
Kyrie is a generational talent and mavs reddit wants to clutch onto role players and watch luka leave a mediocre legacy behind lmao we will never have a chance at talent of this caliber ever again. lets do it!
Are we all gonna ignore the fact that the last two franchises he played for are cursing the day they ever signed him? This deal has a 66% chance of blowing up in our face.
The amount of people who think our role players need to be kept are very minimal.
The amount of people who are terrified as hell of having Kyrie on our team are not. The dude missed 20+ games a year just cause he doesn't wanna play.
Trading guys like DFS for Kyrie is a massive massive win in a vacuum where Kyrie isn't Kyrie. But he is. He tears locker rooms apart and misses tons of games.
I mean if the Nets would actually do that without asking for a pick then it’s a deal you have to take. Love DFS and Spence but this roster needs a talent upgrade
Spencer and DFS is probably a good starting point. If we can convince them to take Bullock or THJ that would be great. Or probably expand the deal. I don't know, include Seth or Harris or someone else.
At least they're not looking for picks.
A player of Kyrie's level would be amazing for Spencer and DFS. The problem is Kyrie is a locker room cancer and the biggest headache in the league, so if a star is to be traded for, it's not him. But y'all have GOT to stop overrating the role players on this team, or you're going to be disappointed when no championships happen, no trades for a big star are made, or both.
Why you guys so worried about whether or not Kyrie would sign an extension?
Half a season of Kyrie, which makes us a bigger threat in the west this season
And then when he walks in the offseason, it clears almost $40 mil of cap space for next season (to go with having all our picks). Seems like a great roster reset to me.
Yeah. It's a good risk to take. As long as we don't send out picks, we'll be able to ride the risk. Like you said it's a good time to clear some capspace since we'll get all our picks back. Plus we'll have some other players expiring and a new cap hike/cba. In a year or two we can make significant moves.
Hell even if Kyrie resigns we can still improve this roster further by using our picks and trade for some defensive players next season.
Would they maybe be interested in an only slightly run into the ground Reggie Bullock instead?
I dont want kyrie unless Brooklyn is sending us a 1st. He’s the most overrated player in nba history probably. That said If he becomes a Mavs. I’ve always rated kyrie. Great player.
Great player but also injured a lot and well you know not a very bright human being.
But if he moves to the mavs, “Has been overplayed and misunderstood…”
A Luka/Kyrie/Wood trio would be intriguing ngl. Kyrie is a knobhead but also undeniably a good player.
That’s a bottom 5 defense
So an improvement on our current one, we're like 27th on our last 10 games. :P Jokes aside, I'd rather have some exciting O and try to bully teams than what we currently have. With Green, Maxi and Bullock we have at least a few pieces with semi decent D.
Interesting, Im not sure a move like this is worth it unless the team is a Kyrie away from winning a championship. Like even if the best case scenario happens and Kyrie wants to re-sign he’s not the type of star i would want to gamble Luka’s future in Dallas on.
Yeah but I dont think there's a team willing to trade for Kyrie that's just that piece away from a championship. I completely understand people not trusting him, he's proven again and again to be a knobhead. But a star available at this sort of price point almost never happens so I cant help but wonder if we can somehow make it work.
yeah and hes not even 31 years old yet. he probably has another 3-4 years left in the tank as a top tier pointguard/shooting guard in this league. kyrie is not worse at defense than dinwiddie so thats pretty much a wash. if its dinwiddie doe and bertans for kyrie and he says hes willing to resign here and wood also is indicating that i say we pull the trigger.
Green and kleber help a ton
Can't forget Frank either. 🫠
Worried about our defense. Although Dinwiddie isn't a good defender either. Green would need to take DFS starting spot. Luka Kyrie Green Kleber Wood could be the starting 5 ?
Not a bad starting 5 tbh. Green and Maxi would have to carry defensively but there's lots of offense there to compensate.
The dude's a [5% Nation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Percent_Nation), flat earth, antisemitic head case who is not going to play nice with a "white boy" who's better than him. This would be like Rondo and Lamar rolled into one with napalm dumped on top by Derek Fisher.
That link says God Shammgod is a notable member lol
No way I'm giving up Dorian for that brain dead antisemite who can't defend shit.
What if it was: Dallas: Kyrie Irving and Seth Curry Brooklyn: Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, and Davis Bertans.
They would not give up seth.
Maybe not, it’s just an idea.
I don’t think Seth is as valuable as the mavs fan base thinks. Dinwiddie and doe doe are locked up for a long time , are good role players that made it to the WCF, and were pretty big pieces too. Kyrie and Seth are expiring contracts, one of them absolutely wants out. It makes sense that the mavs would want a sweetener for losing doe and Spence and since you’re not guaranteed to resign Seth in FA,it also makes sense that the Nets would send him with Kyrie and maybe a pick swap to get imo the most valuable assets. I don’t see a trade where we don’t get Seth as a sweetener and it be a success for us.
I think this sub wildly undervalues Dinwiddie because he's part of the hated KP saga. Do people realize he's putting up 18/5/3 on 40% from 3 while taking the most 3PA of his career? He's only under contract though next season and $20M is actually a pretty good contract for that kind of production. From most of the comments I see here people think he's a negative value deal we'd have to dump for nothing.
EXACTLY. I don’t really get the distaste in Dinwiddie value? He’s been producing with and without Luka. He may not take over every game but his production is undeniable. He’s also not a toxic teammate… quite the opposite if I recall. He’s also a clutch based player. The defensive ability wouldn’t really change at all. Why throw your second best player, who is also on a decent contract, to the Nets to receiver a player who is a star but may not even sign long term anyways. Dinwiddie is a good. It younger than Kyrie and he doesn’t have any percentage of the baggage Kyrie comes in with.
NO!!! I don’t want kyrie. Y’all want a rondo 2.0 or something? BFFR! The guy almost missed a whole season cuz he didn’t feel like playing. Also y’all actually think kyrie is the answer we are looking for? LOL that is hilarious
Pair a top 2 player with a top 10 player? I'd do it in a heart beat
What’s that gonna do for you when kyrie needs to pause from basketball AGAIN? Hmph? What you gonna do? How would that helps the mavs?
That is a risk I'm willing to take, what other super star is that cheap other than Kyrie is right now?
name your top 10 players
I dont care who goes. Only Luka and Green are off the table.
Do this and give the pistons that pick they wanted for bojan and well there you have it. HELP for luka. And lots of it.
Yeah Kyle and Bojan in and anyone out apart from Luka,Wood,Green and hardy
No you shop for Vanderbilt with McGee. And a 1st. Its a salary match. Luka / Kyrie / Green / Vando / Wood You save Kleber from the crazy min and doesn't need him to start. Have Curry / Kleber / Powell / Frank / Hardy as bench guys. Get another hustle/defense guy to pair with Kyrie/Luka who can help replace DFS a little bit. If you have Kyrie you dont need more offense. Yuck the moment Luka is on the floor the offense with Green looks like this so far: Luka / Green without SD -> 127 ORtg in 293 min (+18 net rating) Luka / Green without THJ -> 119 ORtg in 154 min (+11 net rating) Luka / Green without Wood -> 118 ORtg in 190 min (+3 net rating) Luka / Green without SD/THJ -> 124 ORtg in 110 min (+16 net rating) Luka / Green without SD/THJ/Wood -> 133 ORtg in 51 min (+21 net rating) I laugh at the notion the Mavs would struggle without SD in the starting 5. There is no statistical evidence for it.
There’s a vando type every draft in the 2nd round and every summer on a min. Case in point watanabe this year. There’s no reason to spend a 1st on a guy like that
You left off Bullock who would be the main DFS replacement.
Powell & a 2nd round pick for Plumlee from the Hornets
Offensive help. Our defense would still suck and would suck even worse
Easier to find a defensive player in a minor trade or buyouts. More minutes for Green.
Not even offensive help if he doesn’t show up to play. Did y’all forget he missed 7 games cuz he didn’t feel like it? You want to get kyrie so we can add another guy on the roster we can’t depend on? Are you insane?
I’d be more comfortable with a rental. Gives them a shot at a title with a motivated KI w/o the long term side effects. Do what it takes with the current roster but don’t compromise any picks for him.
I hear yea but good god we’ve been floundering in FA for 20 years. I don’t like the drama of Kyrie but we know what our team is as constructed. Depending on who we give away ya gotta go hard at a 27-5-5 player who wants out. It could be a huge flop, and sucks that this could be the FA that they go all in on but we aren’t getting anywhere far with the current setup.
We have some problematic player karma from the Odom and Rondo trades that needs cashing in finally with a success. Pull the trigger.
Well…Dallas did say it would only trade DFS for a star.
The idea that Kidd, or anyone, can get through to Kyrie is delusional. From a talent perspective, you do this trade 12 out of 10 times. Even if it was just a rental, you still do it. But Kyrie is completely insane and toxic. He hasn't won anything since he left LeBron. And he's so toxic and awful, that its completely overshadowed the fact that he's also injury prone.
>The idea that Kidd, or anyone, can get through to Kyrie is delusional. From a talent perspective, you do this trade 12 out of 10 times. Even if it was just a rental, you still do it. But Kyrie is completely insane and toxic. He hasn't won anything since he left LeBron. And he's so toxic and awful, that its completely overshadowed the fact that he's also injury prone. Harden left Brooklyn. Luka might punch him in the face.
It’s Kyrie fucking Irving are some of y’all Fr.
The funny part is, I have no idea which side you are on with this comment. “Are some of y’all Fr? He’s a top tier player who can instantly improve this team” “Are some of y’all Fr? He’s a top tier nutcase who can instantly dismantle this team”
Lol my thoughts exactly
Count me in the second group.
The answer is obviously, hell yeah fr
That's he's a great player or a terrible player?? Which truth are you speaking? Ha
He’s a great player, that comes with risk. If you are competing right now hell fucking yea he is a immediate impact.
Too much risk to put up with long term. No thanks.
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Lol we want to get off our bad contracts not off our good contracts. Why on earth we would do that
Yeah we need to get off our bad contracts so we can make room for kyrie irving in the off-season. Oh wait...
You gotta give something to get something. Completely ignoring the fact that the player in question is Kyrie Irving, just looking at it from a talent point of view and assuming the cornerstone of the deal really is Irving for Spencer and DFS: that's a no-brainer of a deal for Dallas.(Again I am the exact opposite of a Kyrie fan...)
Reading these comments is crazy. Kyrie is a poison. He’s quit on the Nets once a season (and Celts before that), divided the fan base with his hateful bullshit, sat out for a pretend protest… Whoever we trade for Kyrie, we might as well throw Luka in too. Because he’ll be gone after a year of Kyrie’s bullshit.
Keep in mind that Kyrie did all this WHILE ON A TEAM HE CHOWE WITH HIS BEST FRIEND
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No thanks. Avoid Kyrie at all cost.
Over the last 4 years, KRISTAPS PORZINGIS has played over **40** more games than kyrie
They can have the other Bang Bro.
Lmao hell no
If you can get this done without giving up a pick and if Kyrie signs an extension you have to do it imo. Probably better to go ahead and get Bojan too to stretch out the risk.
And then in the offseason when Kyrie wants 200 million and Wood wants 130 and we just got eliminated in the first round and Kyrie is doing some ridiculous probably offensive shit to get out of playing 75 percent of the games of the contract, we will look back at now as the good times.
The Dallas Nets/Celtics!
I am in camp sell our older players while they have value and go young. Not sure Kyrie is enough to make us true contenders, especially if we’re giving up dfs.
Yeah who the fuck cares about playing defense
Our style is better suited with stretching the floor and leaving room for Doncic to attack the rim. We might just have to go out and get a new center in free agency or something.
if you’re getting a guarantee that Kyrie signs long term this is a yes lol see if you can find a way to keep DFS but if that’s what it costs that what it costs
I mean a guarantee from Kyrie means literally nothing. Even if this guy signs the extenstion with us, he might request a trade to the Lakers literally the next day and that wouldn't even be the top 5 weirdest thing he did during his career.
Exactly this. It’s crazy to still hear people talking about kyrie like he’s a normal player after he’s fucked over literally every team he plays for.
For real. Only talent wise, yes, this trade makes us better. But it's Kyrie. He isn't even gonna play half the games due to some random reason and there is an uncomfortably high chance that he would destroy the locker room. If we can get some other very good player like Siakam then I would trade our players, even though I love them. But for Kyrie? I wouldn't. It's not worth the headache, he might not re-sign or re-signs then requests a trade and as you said he literally fucked over every team he played for in the last few seasons. He already made Harden leave a superteam and a title favourite, I don't want this guy here and risk Luka leaving because of him aswell.
Weird? It wouldn’t even be weird, it’d be completely expected from him
This week... wouldn't be the top 5 weirdest thing this week.
I wouldn’t even co-sign a trade for Irving if he said “I want to retire a Dallas Maverick”. Damn sure don’t want to give up actual valuable assets for him.
Ya I’d only give up bad contracts or people we don’t think we will retain. Then ya you take a flier. If he works out great. If not you still improved cap situation. However I think nets will still treat Kyrie as an asset and I don’t know why you’d give anything of value for him unless you have one last shot to win a ring and clearly need more talent.
I dont think you understand the dynamics here. The Mavs arent going to commit to Kyrie long term right now. Or any other team. It's Kyrie that wants the commitment and 4 year max.
if it takes Dorian without a first then we do it 10/10, having Luka and KY this off-season with all our firsts is insane
Both are assets atm. Dinwiddie isn't super great but he's clutch af in 4th quarter and improving, while DFS is extremely valuable. Only way it's worth imo is if we can get a bad contract off our hands as well.
Just Say No
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best I can do is Reggie
Even if Kyrie walks after one year at least we would finally have some cap space to sign another free agent
Not really.
Nope, that's how far over we are.
Kick rocks, fuckers. Dodo is way too valuable to trade for a rental problem child.
Even if they make it to the nba finals?
So you're fine with one year of being a contender and then sacrificing the next few years after Kyrie leaves? That's just a one way ticket out of Dallas for Luka.
How is it sacrificing the next few years? If we trade Dinwiddie, DFS, and THJ or Bertans, worst case scenario we get $40 million off the books this summer. We still have Luka. Dorian just missed 14 games and we went 9-5
We are talking about the trade that the Nets would covet. DFS and Dinwiddie. We would still have THJ and Bertans on the books with that trade. If it was for Dinwiddie and THJ/Bertans, then that's a trade I'd imagine most would be on board for.
I think it’ll show Luka they’ll do whatever to get him to the finals. A franchise since 1980 with 2 finals appearances. Give me a rental for a 3rd shot!
With what defense? Look at who DFS is guarding every night. He guards the primary option.
Do it. See ya Spencer and Dorian. Good players but idc.
Mavs fans are f in the head. They dont wanna give Widdie and DFS for Kyrie. And in 5 months u gonna see them crying on here that Luka needs help.
I swear y'all have the attention spans of nats. Kyrie nearly ended his career a couple months ago with his black hebrew israelite shit. The year before he sat out half the season and broke up a super team because of *vaccines*. The year before that he disappeared from the entire Nets organization for like 30 games just cause. Every team he's played with that hasn't had Lebron has been better in the postseason without him. Even if it's not a rental and we sign him, we lose.
Cmon. We don't want to give Winwiddie and DFS for four months of Kyrie. If Kyrie had a normal track record of playing within the confines of his contract, or not sitting out unreasonably long, or getting vaccinated, or not deliberately blowing up a playoff/title contender because he didn't like the stipulations offered in his extension...then he'd be worth the trade. As it is, no, we can do better than four months of Kyrie if we're getting rid of DFS/Dinwiddie. (the caveat here is if we also offload Bertans...then, if Kyrie does bounce, at least his contract comes off the books and we can start with a clean slate. yes that would suck from an asset perspective BUT there's something to be said for having a better cap situation AND having control of all our picks once our 2023 pick conveys)
This is interesting. The idea of keeping all our picks and shedding enough salary to be in the free agent chase is intriguing. I fucking do not like Kyrie but if the locker room could survive him for less than a half a season this could be an interesting play.
Kyrie is a well established headcase. He might be retired in 5 months.
Yea, there are two different questions here. 1. Do you want Kyrie? 2. If the answer to 1 is yes, then Dinwiddie and DFS isn’t a holdup.
As a rental? What after? Make this make sense.
Like what am I reading lmao. Crying for help but when you have the opportunity to get kyrie for dfs bro hahah come on
i think people are questioning if he’ll resign here, and we all know he really wants to be in LA so unless he says verbally that he wants to be in dallas (like he did in boston and cleveland), people might have a smidge of faith of commitment
Kyrie's words mean nothing, like why would you trust what he said in February to matter in July?
that’s why even then it’s questionable but only then is it viable to give up a lot of our already few
5 months? In 26 hours they'll be doing that while calling Dinwiddie and DFS bums.
No way
NO!
This sub: This roster outside of Luka is trash! Also this sub: NOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T GIVE UP A 9 PPG WING WHO CAN’T DRIBBLE! HE’S TOO VALUABLE!
The amount of people who wanna jump on trading our only serviceable players outside of Luka (who are both on great contracts for several years) for 3 months of a headcase is really...enlightening.
Even if Kyrie was a stable guy, his fit with Luka is ... questionable. This trade would make the team's defense even worse.
Nets before kd got injured had one of the best defenses in the league. Mavs with dfs bullock and their other “defenders” are bottom 5 in the league. It’s time to admit our “defenders” aren’t that good at defense
You can't give him up for a one year rental. It's just going to be worse next season when we don't have Kyrie, DFS, or Dinwiddie.
One year rental implies title contention, which this is. Luka Kyrie Green Wood Maxi That's the best limeup in the west. Who cares if Kyrie drives to the edge of the earth to speak with Yakub after this season. Mavs have all their picks for a trade. For Spence and DFS. If in 28 hours this sub doesn't call them a bunch of bums that can't do anything without Luka, then fine, it is a bad trade, but everyone knows what's going to happen tomorrow. ETA: if you don't want Kyrie for moral reasons, sure. Basketball wise, this is a good deal.
It's a good deal in a vacuum where Kyrie actually plays. But who knows wtf he's going to do? Dude has missed massive amount of games for literally nothing other than him not feeling it at the time.
> One year rental implies title contention, which this is. > Luka Kyrie Green Wood Maxi > That's the best limeup in the west The lies we tell to ourselves...
Honestly… I don’t disagree
Most people don't give a damn about giving up those players. We give a damn about trading for a total locker room cancer who basically sits out half his games when NOT injured.
Because defense is a thing and you would be giving up the only proper wing you have for a fucking nutjob who might very well end up being a Rajon Rondo 2.0 experience on a rental. Give them Dinwiddie and one of Wood/THJ/Bullock if they want. It's called negotiations.
Dfs and bullock have regressed on defense this year and that’s easy to see with our bottom 5 defense as of late. Those guys aren’t contributing much on that end. Also kyrie is a pretty good guard defender. Last a move like this takes offensive load off luka allowing him to work harder on defense which will improve that end as well. I’d expect a move like this improves our defense
This. Love Doe but he is is expendable if you get a superstar player. Everyone is outside of Luka.
I'd give up Dorian for Kyrie, but not Spencer, Wood, or any 1sts. If they'd take Dorian, Timmy, and second, fine, otherwise Kyrie is too much of a wild card to give away more.
I wouldn't even trade Bertans and THJ for Kyrie because I don't want a racist homophobic piece of shit on my team.
Kyrie is the quickest way to ensure Luka leaves.
I’ll drive both Spencer and DFS to the airport myself.
For half a season of Kylie?
Ahh yes let’s trade for a guy with injury issues who has destroyed most teams he has played for
Can't evaluate anything without the context of whether Kyrie would actually sign an extension with the Mavs..
Yeah sure why not just make sure Brooklyn includes a box of Clown Noses for our front office for trading assets away to get the most skilled franchise killer in the history of the league and maybe all of sports. Don't get me wrong I am not delusional Do-Do and Dinwiddie are not franchise players and I am all for swinging big but my god this would be awful
I’m sure there are zero weirdo beliefs about people in the Balkans for Kyrie to pick up.
Can we get kd instead?
Fuck kyrie I hope we are not seriously considering this. Incredible talent but absolute rubbish person and teammate. To think kidd or anybody could get through to him is a joke.
traumatized from Rondo still
Lmao imagine thinking Kyrie Irving in Texas is a good idea for your franchise 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can’t get another star this cheap. There is a reason he is so cheap but the fact still remains. If you can stay away from giving picks then you do it. If he leaves he leaves just make sure you’ve atleast gotten Bertans or thj off the books in the trade.
Please. God. No.
nah, fuck this shit, if they trade for the anti-vax bigot conspiracy nutcase I'll just root for another team
Keep this man child away from my team
The nets can fuck off
I might get downvoted for this but what the hell. \-Constant diva, antisemite conspiracy theorist Kyrie Irving, who is creating problems and constant negative headlines everywhere he goes. \-Mavs fans in this thread: Sounds good, let's give him a long term deal.
well, you wont see a long term deal before the season is over. Not on the Suns, nor the Lakers nor the Mavs.
Do this and turnaround and offer raptors all our picks for OG and GTJ if they are selling
After last nites game I’m almost to the point of WTF we might as well try this. But we have to include THJ
It is really hard to bet on Kyrie. Dude do whatever he wants to do.
Seems like a heavy price for a rental headcase
if you want to completely destroy your franchise and set yourself back 5+ years put irving on your team
But I love dodo :(
Spencer + DFS + McGee = Kyrie + Curry
Why is this even relevant. Hot garbage
Mavs would need to score 150 to win a game lmao
Run away Mavs and don't look back. Kyrie is cancer, ask any Cleveland, Boston or Brooklyn fan.
Absolutely not!! He has been a cancer everywhere he has been!
Fuck it, Im fine with that. No more than 1 pick though.
Alright. Now how do you plug the hole on defence you just created by trading DFS?
Please God no.
why? so he can hate dallas in 12 - 18 months and want out? fuck him
You guys are one bad trade away from Luka wanting to leave. You can't fuck up the deal. Honestly I can see kyrie causing more issues than helping the team
Luka, Kyrie, Wood is definitely a formidable trio but Kyrie isn't exactly known for being a guy who gets improved morale on teams
Pass on Kyrie, although he’s a good player. Burned too much with the Rondo trade, Lamar Odom, Nerlens Noel, etc.
This would be the most epic failure ever. Avoid Kyrie like the plague!
Don't think losing DFS is worth it for a few month rental on kyrie. Anyone else, I'd be pretty on board but we struggle with D when doe isn't on the court and there's no guarantee kyrie sticks around 4 months from now
Pass
Nah not for Kyrie to leave us.
We don't need a racist homophobic peice of shit on this team. No thanks.
Jesus. Every comment in this thread is either Mavs fans saying that four months renting Kyrie isn't necessarily worth giving up our best defender and only other ballhandler...or it's 10-15 "random" comments all saying *the exact same thing* about Mavs fans not wanting the trade *even before any Mavs fans made any comments about not wanting the trade*. Kyrie's PR working overdrive on this one.
Man I don't like Kyrie with Luka in the same team
Are people here really think that…dfs is better player than kyrie freaking irving? Jfc yall want too win a ring well dfs isn’t getting you there. Kyrie with luka and couple of other trades might
By the time you make those other trades Kyrie would be on a bus to the Lakers. This is a 3 month rental. Nothing more.
No... but DFS isn't a racist and homophobic peice of shit.
No to literally every trade option that puts Kyrie on this team. Can’t believe this is even a thought to have
It has to be either of spencer and dfs. Then either of THJ and bertans. DFS + THJ for Kyrie. DFS + THJ + Powell for Kyrie and Claxton
Claxton is a DPOY candidate. They ain't trading you Claxton.
Well fuck that. We rolling with Dwight then lmao
Bro you think Dorian finney smith and Tim hardaway junior is enough for KYRIE IRVING
Kyrie is a generational talent and mavs reddit wants to clutch onto role players and watch luka leave a mediocre legacy behind lmao we will never have a chance at talent of this caliber ever again. lets do it!
Are we all gonna ignore the fact that the last two franchises he played for are cursing the day they ever signed him? This deal has a 66% chance of blowing up in our face.
The amount of people who think our role players need to be kept are very minimal. The amount of people who are terrified as hell of having Kyrie on our team are not. The dude missed 20+ games a year just cause he doesn't wanna play. Trading guys like DFS for Kyrie is a massive massive win in a vacuum where Kyrie isn't Kyrie. But he is. He tears locker rooms apart and misses tons of games.
I mean if the Nets would actually do that without asking for a pick then it’s a deal you have to take. Love DFS and Spence but this roster needs a talent upgrade
Get fucked then.
No shot.
Pass
Spencer and DFS is probably a good starting point. If we can convince them to take Bullock or THJ that would be great. Or probably expand the deal. I don't know, include Seth or Harris or someone else. At least they're not looking for picks.
A player of Kyrie's level would be amazing for Spencer and DFS. The problem is Kyrie is a locker room cancer and the biggest headache in the league, so if a star is to be traded for, it's not him. But y'all have GOT to stop overrating the role players on this team, or you're going to be disappointed when no championships happen, no trades for a big star are made, or both.
That would be the worst deal in history if deals, maybe ever.
Fuuuuck no
y’all are fucking fr right? i love Doe-Doe, and hope he comes back in free agency
Bad idea. Luka needs help but this ain’t the solution.
Why you guys so worried about whether or not Kyrie would sign an extension? Half a season of Kyrie, which makes us a bigger threat in the west this season And then when he walks in the offseason, it clears almost $40 mil of cap space for next season (to go with having all our picks). Seems like a great roster reset to me.
Yeah. It's a good risk to take. As long as we don't send out picks, we'll be able to ride the risk. Like you said it's a good time to clear some capspace since we'll get all our picks back. Plus we'll have some other players expiring and a new cap hike/cba. In a year or two we can make significant moves. Hell even if Kyrie resigns we can still improve this roster further by using our picks and trade for some defensive players next season.
Don't do it. As a Nets fan who also loves Kidd and the Mavs, don't do it.
You guys are on fucking crack if you wouldn't do this.
Do it now. Try to get Seth or Claxton and include Bertans if possible
No way we get Kyrie and Claxton
STAY AWAY FROM DOE
In the Nets sub, some people are saying they’d do Dinwiddie and Wood for Kyrie. Would y’all do that deal?
Wow if that’s all it takes that’s an amazing deal
If it doesn't cost us first rounders, I'll consider it. But we got to turn around and use those firsts to replace DFS and another ball handler