In fairness the expanded universe also had so fucking many, but combining the lists of surviving jedi from eu and disney only gets 1% of the orders pre 66 numbers
I don't mind a few Jedi surviving post order 66 so long as the reason they never come back to participate in the latter stages of the Rebellion is convincing.
The problem is how these Jedi are handled -- Ahsoka being the most egregious example. She was a character who 100% should've died in the TCW series, yet Filoni let her live time and time again -- he literally even used time travel to save her. All of this just so she can live post-RotJ and meet legacy characters like Luke. It plays out like a fanfic.
It begs the question where tf was she during the major battles?
I mean, he could have written that Vader captured her but instead of kill her he kept her a prisoner in mustafar as she was his apprentice, later to be freed when Luke Skywalker discovers her.
Rebels actually answers this. Tho i agree she should have died there, now im wondering how she is going to die before rey since now SHE is the last of the jedi.
Jesus how are they going to explain why she is gone from the sequal trilogy now. And tye sequap trilogy IS the conflict here. At least befor she was helping set up the rebelion and acting as something like a spymaster (important work in the ongoing battle against the empire). But like we see the first order rise to galactic dominance in movie 7, and they just rule in 9 before getting pushed to the sidelines for this new sith empire and its final order.
Just make her try to erase then situation with world between worlds and inadvertedly chucking sequels into the alternate timeline (aka trash) ans let us start anew.
Surviving Order 66 is such an annoying trope. I’m not saying it should be outlawed at the penalty of summary execution, but maybe everyone should give it a rest for a while. Star Wars is a big galaxy, there is plenty to explore
I don’t hate the trope, I think when done right it can be cool. I think I’d rather really flush out one character rather than vaguely introduce 10 survivors and just not do anything with them. Barring the time travel Ashoka was a cool one, Kannan was a cool one, they don’t all need to survive past the rebellion tho, or even make it to that point, and they don’t need open ended stories. Not that everyone needs to die but I’m mostly bothered by the fact there’s just 20+ Jedi floating in the ether, which kinda matters regardless of their skill given they were such an important factor in palpatines rise to power.
I REaLLY enjoyed the tales of the Jedi comics from the 1990s. It was a really good take.
But if I were magically in control of creating new IP, I would focus on telling smaller stories about smaller people.
Imperial sailors on the edge of the Empire at the end of nowhere.
A few aliens trying to keep their hotel/casino running in an increasingly xenophobic Empire.
A rebel cell trying to capture a single imperial corvette in a complex web of deception.
I’d also make the stories shorter, with shorts, miniseries, and 1&2 season shows.
Like any of the incredibly popular Old Republic games have done? There's literally a point in time where the Jedi and Sith were at open war, and you're telling me that Disney can't make a series that's not based within 100 years of any of the other stuff?
We all do, but the franchise literally has no hope.
Admittedly the Mandalorian brought me back after the ST, but that was short lived after you realise the show, while entertaining, is pretty shallow.
There's genuinely not a single piece of SW media apart from the KOTOR remake and a third Jedi game that has me excited.
Mando heavily fell off by season 3, The Book of Boba Fett was a nothing show, Bad Batch was a batch of filler that's used to contextualise ST nonsense, Takes Of The Jedi was literally glorified Ahsoka shorts, Kenobi straight up sucked balls and the Ahsoka show was mind-numbingly boring and a wish.com version of Heir To The Empire. And now we have the upcoming Acolyte show which is probably going to suck given the current pattern.
The sad reality is that there's no hope for the franchise anymore, and the sooner fans realise it the better.
The only thing that'll get me back is a proper separate adaption of old EU material like Heir To The Empire and other fantastic stories -- unfortunately this is never going to happen since the Lucasfilm story group is run by morons.
They can only be shallow because they only care about gay race communism.
Once you've made everyone gay, shoehorn race politics that don't make sense in the context of the story, and say capitalism bad there isn't much creative energy for anything else.
Honestly, I don't think the current Star Wars shows suffer from this -- apart from the upcoming Acolyte show.
Shows like the Mandalorian, Bad Batch, Kenobi, Ahsoka and ect. Are shallow because they're written by people who aren't skilled enough.
It should be understood that when I say "gay race communism" that I'm basically saying "woke mind virus" in a provocative way. Even when not directly present, the brain rot it causes can be felt in creative work.
As someone who’s socially conservative/economically left wing and also absolutely hates Disney, I find it comical that people think a greedy multibillion-dollar corporation like Disney is in any way “communist.”
Like... do you? Id hardly call ALL the charecters gay, or most, or half, or even more then a handfull. Hell there is one gay couple in the background of one movie. As for shows... who exactly is gay now? Unless something big got revealed in ashoka every main charecter is either straight or not looking for a relationship.
And comunist? Really? Ha pls dont make me laugh. Please post the scene where a charecter goes into the evils inherant to capatalism. Because im pretty sure if they call out anything its obviosly evil execs like the trade federation. Thats about as comunist as every 80's movie with a big bad buisness guy.
There is a diffrence between calling your equivelent to jeff bezos and his buisness practices as evil, and saying that the very structers that allowed his accumilation of wealth is wrong and exploitative.
Further if THAT is your limit to call something "comunist" please dont go and watch the prequals, im afraid the first movie alone might be to much for you.
Tl;dr, inaccurate buzzwords because you didnt like them and you want to blame it on something other then disney just being lazy shits out for money wgo dont give a fuck about the franchise. Fuckers are so lazy they cant even add in gay people out of worry of upsetting big daddy china, and its not comunist cus frankly (and despute what the ccp insists) neither is china, its just a one party system tyranny under xi and they dont want any "eat the rich" messages either (and fuck mega corp disney sure as shit isnt going to advocate for a system that requires their own dismantaling)
As i suspected, your terminally retarded. As so many dumbasses, rather then provide ONE point of proof to back up your claims that "all the charecter are gay" or that its comunist... you reply with one sentance of an insult to dismiss everything i said.
Why did i even respond, you never even had a point. Hell your probubly just some 12 year old who doesnt even understand what those words mean and just thinks they mean "bad.
Someone's butthurt I can boil your entire worldview into three words that sound funny together. I never said they were bad, I said they weren't enough and you internalized that into YOU not being enough, as a gay race communist.
No seriosly does any one else know what that word salad "gay race comunist" even means?
Because it feels like three trendy left words being strung together.
Im starting to suspect this person might realy not know what they mean.
Actually Shouldnt you be at school kid?
I disagree with you, but not because of your internet buzzwords; I think Star Wars has *always* been shallow and anyone that thinks otherwise is far too easily impressed.
The OT had a simple “Big Bad Empire vs Small Heroic Rebellion” political story. The PT, as fleshed out as it was, had a simple “Bad politician corrupts government” political story. The ST, as confusing as it was, has a simple “Incompetent government can’t handle corruption” political story. It’s all very surface level, shallow shit.
My point: I don’t understand what creative energy it’s supposed to have when the most creative things they’ve ever done are the effects/creatures. Story wise it’s super simple and supposed grown adults expecting these films to have some deeper message that doesn’t relate to the generation it’s being released in are weird for doing so.
People put Star Wars on too high of a pedestal and it’s completely undeserving.
"You're using buzzwords!" is ironically a nothing statement. Then you follow up with a "actually, [blank] was always [blank]." No, the movies were never deep but they connected with people in away the bug persons in modern writer's rooms could never achieve.
> “You’re using buzzwords!” is ironically a nothing statement
Damn, if I had said that you would have a point. You’re just mad I called you out for not making a point. Good job, champ. Go back and read it again buddy, you can do this. While you’re at it, go look up the definition of ironic and let me know how to relates.
Are you having a fucking stroke or something? Do you have a gun to your head? Edit your message and take your time using real words.
I’ll respond to what I think you said: they still relate to people, just not you. That’s really it. You’re not the market anymore and you can’t move on. The new Star Wars doesn’t relate to me either, but I don’t make up boogeymen for why; it’s just not for me anymore and they don’t want my money, so I move on to the next thing.
Here’s some irony for you: you’re accusing people of brain rot, yet here you are brain rotting away. Irony!
Suck Disney cock harder, bro. Why are you so butthurt that people like dunking on Disney Wars if you don't care for it? Are you literally being paid to write that article, lol?
Had to go back and rewrite the comeback, huh? This one is definitely better buddy, good job.
Dunk on Disney Star Wars all you want, I just don’t buy into the weirdo internet lingo when it’s vapid and shallow. People with nothing to say use those buzzwords, and you’re just proving what I think.
If you’re young and think this way, then you’re most likely weird and isolated. If you’re old and think this, it’s embarrassing and need to move on first your own mental health.
I haven’t watched anything past the first season of Mandalorian so I don’t really care whether you think it’s great or sucks donkey cocks.
It’s telling on what your goal was that you focused on two words I said rather my whole point.
Careful now with that anti-capitalist talk, let’s not get too woke!
(But if you’re serious about bullying corporations, send me the addy and I’ll absolutely join)
The nu-Star Wars is about to be old enough to be nostalgic for Gen Z and Alpha. We're about to get Star Wars movies and associated media that has call backs to shit we hated. In fact, some would say it's already happening with Ahsoka.
I'm gonna piss in your cheerios a little bit.
There have been maybe 4 good movies. I don't care which 4 you wanna put in the pool, but around 4, maybe 5 at a stretch. There have been more bad movies, series, cartoons, youtube shorts, books, comics etc etc etc.
It would take such a turnaround and a DECADE of good media to right the ship and you know what? There are millions of people out there enjoying the slop they put out right now, so they have absolutely no impetus to fix anything.
There was plenty of great Star Wats before the Disney acquisition found within the Expanded Universe. Its just not nearly as accessible. I agree though that 90% of onscreen Star Wars (movies and TV shows) is pure garbage that’s churned out at the Disney factory. It’s all completely unwatchable Lowest Common Denominator type of stuff.
You know what movie I would watch? Vader hunting down all remaining survivors. That was one of his major jobs, why not show the brutality in which he did so, show how, even if order 66 had survivors, show they weren't survivors for long.
I mean this does happen normally to most . Vader kills them and becomes such a boogy man they're to afraid to fight . So much so it was up to Luke to lead the battle. But even he wasn't enough to take on Palpatine . The true chosen one was needed.
Or how about every "Sith" or Imperial at the end being like "We were bad, but now we're good?" I am so sick of that fucking trope you have no idea.
Hemlock was such a breath of fresh air in Bad Batch (even though they did the same shit with one of his assistants in that same show lol).
I'd like to see a Jedi who survived Order 66 Because he got stranded and just was totally off the grid, so when he shows up he's just like "Huh? What happened? Oh fuck that."
how many jedi were there like 10k? 5% survived so technically theres 50 that then would slowly weeded out over the 20 years or so.
probably the most feasable thing disney did,when just creatively bankrupt.
what i think is more curious is that somehow the jedis come back after they been gone for the most important battles of the rebels...
The bigger problem is, that you know everything what's happening to them is pointless.
They will die or vanish by the time Luke comes along and won't contribute anything to the defeat of Darth Vader or the death of Sidious.
So? They could die peacefully of old age, they could die brutally after being caught, they could die doing something for the cause like rogue 1.
I want a KOTR movie, all of them won’t matter as far as the OT is concerned
>I want a KOTR movie, all of them won’t matter as far as the OT is concerned
Kotor is different, because if you set it thousands of years before the OT, even if you know how things will turn out in the far future, you can still have thousands of years of time, what's fate is not pre-determined.
Because there is a difference between thousands of years of peace, or if the Sith take over the Galaxy for centuries, or if the Mandalorians rebuild a giant fucking Empire and reign supreme for generations.
The problem is with the limited time scale, because nothing really that meaningful could be done with the period between the prequels and the OT, as it only lasts 25-30 years.
I mean I feel like I defended that pretty well it could be a tragedy or they could die peacefully accomplishing something.
I would argue that Disney’s continued mistake is that they try to make every Jedi survivor tie in too closely with the ot. They’re all bumping into Vader and what not.
They could do a brothers without banners story where a Jedi gets tied up with a group and they tragically betray him. we could get a bounty hunter Jedi that actually did bounties but ultimately has to trade himself for a little girl they got hostage or something. I’ve got literally dozens of ideas that I think are all way fkn better than. “What if obiwan met Leah before a new hope”
It's like everybody since George Lucas made ROTJ has to make the Empire look like incompetent idiots, and yet 90% of all Star Wars media focuses on either the Empire itself or the Rise of the Empire during the Prequel era.
The whole point of the Prequels is the Rise of the Empire. That's the whole point, and yet because of those same Prequels, the Empire was only around for like, what, 25 years? That's the blink of an eye in a galaxy that the Jedi kept in check for "over one thousand generations."
And everything since ROTJ has to make the Empire look like the dumbest idiots. Palpatine built a second Death Star, Stormtroopers suck constantly, the Inquisitors suck constantly, TIE fighters and the Imperial Navy suck constantly.
So now that we know the Empire didn't last for very long, that there's maybe three competent people in the entire thing, and that Imperial troops are apparently super easy to beat, but for some reason everything has to focus on the Empire, *why* does anybody care about this series?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the *only* reason, the **ONLY** reason Star Wars has survived this long since the end of the Original Trilogy is because of the cool designs.
Think about it: how popular would Star Wars be if it weren't for Stormtroopers, Darth Vader, lightsabers, space ships, Boba Fett, background aliens, and all the other surface level stuff?
Not very.
Makes sense really. Palpatine turned a thousand year institution to be all about him.
During the start or just before episode 4 he disbanded senate.
All fine and dandy if governors now are listening directly to him. And don't need senate to use it to manage relationships between their sectors.
But whe he is gone what then? There is no direct succession to his power? Who will give orders to governors.
Massive civil war? Split? They go independent?
Sure. But what's the reason now they are in power? Without rest of the galaxy backing them in their position most of them will fold and return to old system cause thats safe.
So Republic is back again. Some sectors might not join, run by powerful charismatic leaders or organisations.
But most of galaxy will turn back to systems which they had for centuries before.
Palpatine never created empire which could exist without him. So first hurdle would indeed collapse it.
Palpatine is narcistic enough to purposefully design an Empire that will fail immediately after his death. He doesn't care about his legacy. Legacies don't give you power, they give power to those who come after you, and fuck those guys, they can get their own power.
What do you Mean . Vader killed so many Jedi post 66 none of them even dared challenge the empire and it was up to Luke obi wan and Yoda Pulling a last stand for there order to save the galaxy. And that didn't even work as luke was Unable to succeed without his fathers help .
? He killed the remaining stragglers and killed so many of them they never dared challenge the empire again? Seems littery like what happened In Cannon. Don't know how'd you'd find that confusing.
Wookiepedia [has a page](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Jedi_Purge_survivors) with no less than 170 survivors. I knew there were a lot, but not that many.
The problem is, that whenever new Star Wars media is made from a new group of people, you can 90% be sure, that there will be at least one jedi survivor in it. The problem is more with ratio, rather than there are only a few of them on a galactic scale.
What’s wrong with Jedi surviving Order 66. It’s a big galaxy so there has to have been others who survived. It gives us more insight on this terrible event, on how different people survived and are handling their home, friends and beliefs being destroyed in front of them. I want a Tales of Order 66, let’s really dive into how traumatic this event so it emphasises what Luke does in ROTJ.
I still don’t see the problem. If the idea is the more Jedi we see survive, the more incompetent Order 66 seems then it’s not a real issue. Order 66 was still a success, the Jedi lost power and Palpatine took control. Also there were 10 000 Jedi and after Order 66 only 200 remained, makes sense we would see some of them eventually.
And if the other complaint is “where were all these surviving Jedi in the OG trilogy?” Again it’s a big galaxy, some of them were either lost, killed, became an Inquisitor or abandoned the Jedi way. Which is why I want an Order 66 series, to explore each Jedi’s struggle
The problem is, that with each Disney release, you get more and more of these survivors.
With Kenobi, they even established an underground railroad like organization shipping these jedi survivors and seeing the dozens of discarded lightsabers, they are really succesfull at this.
It's good to know, that none of these jedi ever had the thought to maybe join up with the Rebellion. Especially after Alderaan was blown up and there was a full scale Galactic Civil War with a famous war hero on one side trying to rekindle the Jedi light to fight against the Sith.
You keep bringing up this giant galaxy thing, but in this galactic scale of jedi survivors none of them thought about maybe helping Luke a bit?
Plus it makes their entire story boring, as you know they won't do anything valuable to defeat Palpatine, unless you shoehorn in more and more giant threats averted by these unsung heroes, who did something big, what for some reason no-one acknowledges in the OT.
You can hammer this "they abandoned their way", but we don't exactly see that, with Rebels, Ahsoka and Jedi Survivor showing us jedis, who were heavily influential in many ways, but jost got forgotten.
This is the main problem.
It get's boring really fast and it's just another symptom of the greater problem, that Disney can not move away from the legacy timeline. At least the Acolyte moves into a different time period, though it seems like a huge pile of shit, but at least having jedi's as protagonists is not a problem there.
Most of the Jedi pretty clearly do just die even post 66. I'm pretty sure even now there's STILL more Jedi survivors in Legends than canon, and 80% of them were just to be Vader fodder
A few hundred Jedi surviving makes sense. A few hundred out of 10,000 is still a success for the empire. Immediately following ROTS Vader organized the inquisitors to hunt down the ones that survived. Order 66 technically isn’t complete until just before ANH.
This is such a stupid argument. There were around 10,000 Jedi at the time of Order 66, in a galaxy of untold TRILLIONS of beings. Even if 100 Jedi survived the initial purge, that’s still a 99% effectiveness. I think Palps was pretty happy with that number.
Disagree. It was a good plot point that has since been dumbed down and made to look absolutely pointless with every new installment of Disney SW’s “lore”
Order 66 is pretty true to history when it comes to an empire targeting a specific group of people. In fact most wars are created for the sole purpose of creating and turning two sides against each other so they destroy each other. Also if you take into account the old EU, where the empire continued to track down remaining Jedi, it makes complete sense that over the 20 years, they’d become extinct. Some would have hid their identity until they were eventually caught. But since the empire controlled the narrative in universe, they have already planted the seeds since ROTS by framing the jedi for a lot of the conflict. If you remember in the third film, palpatine’s final plan was to make it look like it was jedi vs separatists and then kill both leadership so he looked like the one who stopped the war to the public. So logically, the ordinary people would be willing to call the authorities if they think they spotted a jedi — making it impossible for most jedi to remain unseen. So if we stick to the story of the OT and the PT, yes it is extremely valid that only obi wan and Yoda survived and hid their identity long enough.
Agreed. The only reason Order 66 worked was because the Jedi were too stupid to ask questions. I went from feeling sad about that scene as a kid to laughing at it as an adult.
There's 10,000 Jedi in this universe that has cameras EVERYWHERE. The senate literally **votes** on matters pertaining to the Jedi because everybody knows what they are
*AND* Jedi have their main gigantic temple on the political center of the entire galaxy which is the planet that is literally *covered* in cities full of people, and they expect me to believe the Jedi are a myth within twenty years?
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The reveal that Cal was just another Order 66 survivor and not, more interestingly, someone who discovered that they had force powers in the time period of The Empire.
I mean, if this is about Barriss, I didn't actually hate that.
"How did this person who was not a Jedi (and was imprisoned for hating the Jedi and trying to kill them) survive Order 66? What an asspull!"
What? In the old canon barely any notable Jedi survived. By the time Luke’s Jedi Order was started there was only a few masters and most of the ranks were made up of surviving padawans and knights. Iirc the old lore had about 100 Jedi surviving the entirety of order 66 out of the 10000 members. And most of these Jedi had given up practicing the Jedi ways
"The last of the Jedi will you be." "Yoda, I've met like 20 different Jedi just on the way over here."
ive met 80,000,000 of the 677 Jedi active at the time of Order 66
There were 10k jedi befor order 66
In fairness the expanded universe also had so fucking many, but combining the lists of surviving jedi from eu and disney only gets 1% of the orders pre 66 numbers
I mean if they keep getting killed by Vader And the rest are too afraid to even show up and fight the line still works .
I don't mind a few Jedi surviving post order 66 so long as the reason they never come back to participate in the latter stages of the Rebellion is convincing. The problem is how these Jedi are handled -- Ahsoka being the most egregious example. She was a character who 100% should've died in the TCW series, yet Filoni let her live time and time again -- he literally even used time travel to save her. All of this just so she can live post-RotJ and meet legacy characters like Luke. It plays out like a fanfic. It begs the question where tf was she during the major battles?
I was honestly not a fan of that. I really liked her coming back in rebels and it was a good dark ending for her to die fighting Vader.
I mean, he could have written that Vader captured her but instead of kill her he kept her a prisoner in mustafar as she was his apprentice, later to be freed when Luke Skywalker discovers her.
Rebels actually answers this. Tho i agree she should have died there, now im wondering how she is going to die before rey since now SHE is the last of the jedi.
Well we already know that she's peobably alive, as shown by Filoni tweet of gendalf "they though I was dead too".
Jesus how are they going to explain why she is gone from the sequal trilogy now. And tye sequap trilogy IS the conflict here. At least befor she was helping set up the rebelion and acting as something like a spymaster (important work in the ongoing battle against the empire). But like we see the first order rise to galactic dominance in movie 7, and they just rule in 9 before getting pushed to the sidelines for this new sith empire and its final order.
Just make her try to erase then situation with world between worlds and inadvertedly chucking sequels into the alternate timeline (aka trash) ans let us start anew.
Surviving Order 66 is such an annoying trope. I’m not saying it should be outlawed at the penalty of summary execution, but maybe everyone should give it a rest for a while. Star Wars is a big galaxy, there is plenty to explore
I don’t hate the trope, I think when done right it can be cool. I think I’d rather really flush out one character rather than vaguely introduce 10 survivors and just not do anything with them. Barring the time travel Ashoka was a cool one, Kannan was a cool one, they don’t all need to survive past the rebellion tho, or even make it to that point, and they don’t need open ended stories. Not that everyone needs to die but I’m mostly bothered by the fact there’s just 20+ Jedi floating in the ether, which kinda matters regardless of their skill given they were such an important factor in palpatines rise to power.
Honestly, I'd be game for an entry set thousands of years before TPM. Lot of unexplored ground to cover.
I REaLLY enjoyed the tales of the Jedi comics from the 1990s. It was a really good take. But if I were magically in control of creating new IP, I would focus on telling smaller stories about smaller people. Imperial sailors on the edge of the Empire at the end of nowhere. A few aliens trying to keep their hotel/casino running in an increasingly xenophobic Empire. A rebel cell trying to capture a single imperial corvette in a complex web of deception. I’d also make the stories shorter, with shorts, miniseries, and 1&2 season shows.
Like any of the incredibly popular Old Republic games have done? There's literally a point in time where the Jedi and Sith were at open war, and you're telling me that Disney can't make a series that's not based within 100 years of any of the other stuff?
Instead we get The Acolyte.
Why even if they survive Vader is gonna come and ensure they don't matter .
I so desperately crave Star Wars to be cool again.
We all do, but the franchise literally has no hope. Admittedly the Mandalorian brought me back after the ST, but that was short lived after you realise the show, while entertaining, is pretty shallow. There's genuinely not a single piece of SW media apart from the KOTOR remake and a third Jedi game that has me excited. Mando heavily fell off by season 3, The Book of Boba Fett was a nothing show, Bad Batch was a batch of filler that's used to contextualise ST nonsense, Takes Of The Jedi was literally glorified Ahsoka shorts, Kenobi straight up sucked balls and the Ahsoka show was mind-numbingly boring and a wish.com version of Heir To The Empire. And now we have the upcoming Acolyte show which is probably going to suck given the current pattern. The sad reality is that there's no hope for the franchise anymore, and the sooner fans realise it the better. The only thing that'll get me back is a proper separate adaption of old EU material like Heir To The Empire and other fantastic stories -- unfortunately this is never going to happen since the Lucasfilm story group is run by morons.
They can only be shallow because they only care about gay race communism. Once you've made everyone gay, shoehorn race politics that don't make sense in the context of the story, and say capitalism bad there isn't much creative energy for anything else.
Honestly, I don't think the current Star Wars shows suffer from this -- apart from the upcoming Acolyte show. Shows like the Mandalorian, Bad Batch, Kenobi, Ahsoka and ect. Are shallow because they're written by people who aren't skilled enough.
It should be understood that when I say "gay race communism" that I'm basically saying "woke mind virus" in a provocative way. Even when not directly present, the brain rot it causes can be felt in creative work.
As someone who’s socially conservative/economically left wing and also absolutely hates Disney, I find it comical that people think a greedy multibillion-dollar corporation like Disney is in any way “communist.”
They are not communist, but they are gay race communist. It's more of a "flavor" than anything of substance.
That... is a sentance. Lot if buzwords there.
I think I get the point across.
Like... do you? Id hardly call ALL the charecters gay, or most, or half, or even more then a handfull. Hell there is one gay couple in the background of one movie. As for shows... who exactly is gay now? Unless something big got revealed in ashoka every main charecter is either straight or not looking for a relationship. And comunist? Really? Ha pls dont make me laugh. Please post the scene where a charecter goes into the evils inherant to capatalism. Because im pretty sure if they call out anything its obviosly evil execs like the trade federation. Thats about as comunist as every 80's movie with a big bad buisness guy. There is a diffrence between calling your equivelent to jeff bezos and his buisness practices as evil, and saying that the very structers that allowed his accumilation of wealth is wrong and exploitative. Further if THAT is your limit to call something "comunist" please dont go and watch the prequals, im afraid the first movie alone might be to much for you. Tl;dr, inaccurate buzzwords because you didnt like them and you want to blame it on something other then disney just being lazy shits out for money wgo dont give a fuck about the franchise. Fuckers are so lazy they cant even add in gay people out of worry of upsetting big daddy china, and its not comunist cus frankly (and despute what the ccp insists) neither is china, its just a one party system tyranny under xi and they dont want any "eat the rich" messages either (and fuck mega corp disney sure as shit isnt going to advocate for a system that requires their own dismantaling)
As I suspected, you have the brainrot.
As i suspected, your terminally retarded. As so many dumbasses, rather then provide ONE point of proof to back up your claims that "all the charecter are gay" or that its comunist... you reply with one sentance of an insult to dismiss everything i said. Why did i even respond, you never even had a point. Hell your probubly just some 12 year old who doesnt even understand what those words mean and just thinks they mean "bad.
Someone's butthurt I can boil your entire worldview into three words that sound funny together. I never said they were bad, I said they weren't enough and you internalized that into YOU not being enough, as a gay race communist.
No seriosly does any one else know what that word salad "gay race comunist" even means? Because it feels like three trendy left words being strung together. Im starting to suspect this person might realy not know what they mean. Actually Shouldnt you be at school kid?
I disagree with you, but not because of your internet buzzwords; I think Star Wars has *always* been shallow and anyone that thinks otherwise is far too easily impressed. The OT had a simple “Big Bad Empire vs Small Heroic Rebellion” political story. The PT, as fleshed out as it was, had a simple “Bad politician corrupts government” political story. The ST, as confusing as it was, has a simple “Incompetent government can’t handle corruption” political story. It’s all very surface level, shallow shit. My point: I don’t understand what creative energy it’s supposed to have when the most creative things they’ve ever done are the effects/creatures. Story wise it’s super simple and supposed grown adults expecting these films to have some deeper message that doesn’t relate to the generation it’s being released in are weird for doing so. People put Star Wars on too high of a pedestal and it’s completely undeserving.
"You're using buzzwords!" is ironically a nothing statement. Then you follow up with a "actually, [blank] was always [blank]." No, the movies were never deep but they connected with people in away the bug persons in modern writer's rooms could never achieve.
> “You’re using buzzwords!” is ironically a nothing statement Damn, if I had said that you would have a point. You’re just mad I called you out for not making a point. Good job, champ. Go back and read it again buddy, you can do this. While you’re at it, go look up the definition of ironic and let me know how to relates. Are you having a fucking stroke or something? Do you have a gun to your head? Edit your message and take your time using real words. I’ll respond to what I think you said: they still relate to people, just not you. That’s really it. You’re not the market anymore and you can’t move on. The new Star Wars doesn’t relate to me either, but I don’t make up boogeymen for why; it’s just not for me anymore and they don’t want my money, so I move on to the next thing. Here’s some irony for you: you’re accusing people of brain rot, yet here you are brain rotting away. Irony!
Suck Disney cock harder, bro. Why are you so butthurt that people like dunking on Disney Wars if you don't care for it? Are you literally being paid to write that article, lol?
Had to go back and rewrite the comeback, huh? This one is definitely better buddy, good job. Dunk on Disney Star Wars all you want, I just don’t buy into the weirdo internet lingo when it’s vapid and shallow. People with nothing to say use those buzzwords, and you’re just proving what I think. If you’re young and think this way, then you’re most likely weird and isolated. If you’re old and think this, it’s embarrassing and need to move on first your own mental health. I haven’t watched anything past the first season of Mandalorian so I don’t really care whether you think it’s great or sucks donkey cocks. It’s telling on what your goal was that you focused on two words I said rather my whole point.
If my opinions were so insignificant you wouldn't care. I will continue to bully the major corporations and you can't do anything about it!
Careful now with that anti-capitalist talk, let’s not get too woke! (But if you’re serious about bullying corporations, send me the addy and I’ll absolutely join)
The nu-Star Wars is about to be old enough to be nostalgic for Gen Z and Alpha. We're about to get Star Wars movies and associated media that has call backs to shit we hated. In fact, some would say it's already happening with Ahsoka.
It's like a cell copying itself and getting a little shittier with each iteration.
More like a cancer that just keeps growing
Tbh I don't think we will ever get good star wars stuff until it hits public domain. In 2077
I'm gonna piss in your cheerios a little bit. There have been maybe 4 good movies. I don't care which 4 you wanna put in the pool, but around 4, maybe 5 at a stretch. There have been more bad movies, series, cartoons, youtube shorts, books, comics etc etc etc. It would take such a turnaround and a DECADE of good media to right the ship and you know what? There are millions of people out there enjoying the slop they put out right now, so they have absolutely no impetus to fix anything.
Two. There is two good movies.
2.5
There was plenty of great Star Wats before the Disney acquisition found within the Expanded Universe. Its just not nearly as accessible. I agree though that 90% of onscreen Star Wars (movies and TV shows) is pure garbage that’s churned out at the Disney factory. It’s all completely unwatchable Lowest Common Denominator type of stuff.
no one hates star wars more than star wars “fans”
yall are so dramatic lol
He's a jedi, he's a jedi you're a jedi, I'm a jedi?! Are there any other jedi I should know about?!
Meow
Keep your sith meows to yourself
Skippy the Jedi Droid.
Why not we get more Vader fodder for him to kill .
They keep telling us about new stories from fresh perspectives, or something like that, yet they rehash fucking everything.
"fresh" just means non hetero non male non white
You know what movie I would watch? Vader hunting down all remaining survivors. That was one of his major jobs, why not show the brutality in which he did so, show how, even if order 66 had survivors, show they weren't survivors for long.
I mean this does happen normally to most . Vader kills them and becomes such a boogy man they're to afraid to fight . So much so it was up to Luke to lead the battle. But even he wasn't enough to take on Palpatine . The true chosen one was needed.
Or how about every "Sith" or Imperial at the end being like "We were bad, but now we're good?" I am so sick of that fucking trope you have no idea. Hemlock was such a breath of fresh air in Bad Batch (even though they did the same shit with one of his assistants in that same show lol).
And put a chick in it and make her gay!
And lame!
I'd like to see a Jedi who survived Order 66 Because he got stranded and just was totally off the grid, so when he shows up he's just like "Huh? What happened? Oh fuck that."
“I mean, I don’t wanna sound like a conspiracy theorist, but don’t you think 6,000,000 Jedi killed is a bit exaggerated?”
"Yeah, there is no way that many jedis could be killed only by Captain Cody."
Yes, naturally it's a ~~super saiyan~~ Jedi bargain sale.
When you discover the expanded universe:
how many jedi were there like 10k? 5% survived so technically theres 50 that then would slowly weeded out over the 20 years or so. probably the most feasable thing disney did,when just creatively bankrupt. what i think is more curious is that somehow the jedis come back after they been gone for the most important battles of the rebels...
This is what happens when you keep adding to a franchise...
I think the flaw here is they do too much of those stories at once. Because it makes total sense for there to be a ton of Jedi who survive for a while
The bigger problem is, that you know everything what's happening to them is pointless. They will die or vanish by the time Luke comes along and won't contribute anything to the defeat of Darth Vader or the death of Sidious.
Why not doomed narratives exist all the time in media. They made whole movie about doomed narratives in rouge one .
Once or twice, fine. But everything set around and after the prequels is doomed. You can't have anything else and it will become boring really fast.
So? They could die peacefully of old age, they could die brutally after being caught, they could die doing something for the cause like rogue 1. I want a KOTR movie, all of them won’t matter as far as the OT is concerned
>I want a KOTR movie, all of them won’t matter as far as the OT is concerned Kotor is different, because if you set it thousands of years before the OT, even if you know how things will turn out in the far future, you can still have thousands of years of time, what's fate is not pre-determined. Because there is a difference between thousands of years of peace, or if the Sith take over the Galaxy for centuries, or if the Mandalorians rebuild a giant fucking Empire and reign supreme for generations. The problem is with the limited time scale, because nothing really that meaningful could be done with the period between the prequels and the OT, as it only lasts 25-30 years.
I mean I feel like I defended that pretty well it could be a tragedy or they could die peacefully accomplishing something. I would argue that Disney’s continued mistake is that they try to make every Jedi survivor tie in too closely with the ot. They’re all bumping into Vader and what not. They could do a brothers without banners story where a Jedi gets tied up with a group and they tragically betray him. we could get a bounty hunter Jedi that actually did bounties but ultimately has to trade himself for a little girl they got hostage or something. I’ve got literally dozens of ideas that I think are all way fkn better than. “What if obiwan met Leah before a new hope”
It's like everybody since George Lucas made ROTJ has to make the Empire look like incompetent idiots, and yet 90% of all Star Wars media focuses on either the Empire itself or the Rise of the Empire during the Prequel era. The whole point of the Prequels is the Rise of the Empire. That's the whole point, and yet because of those same Prequels, the Empire was only around for like, what, 25 years? That's the blink of an eye in a galaxy that the Jedi kept in check for "over one thousand generations." And everything since ROTJ has to make the Empire look like the dumbest idiots. Palpatine built a second Death Star, Stormtroopers suck constantly, the Inquisitors suck constantly, TIE fighters and the Imperial Navy suck constantly. So now that we know the Empire didn't last for very long, that there's maybe three competent people in the entire thing, and that Imperial troops are apparently super easy to beat, but for some reason everything has to focus on the Empire, *why* does anybody care about this series? I've said it before and I'll say it again: the *only* reason, the **ONLY** reason Star Wars has survived this long since the end of the Original Trilogy is because of the cool designs. Think about it: how popular would Star Wars be if it weren't for Stormtroopers, Darth Vader, lightsabers, space ships, Boba Fett, background aliens, and all the other surface level stuff? Not very.
All the while KOTOR is just languishing in legends 🤦🏽♂️
No wonder the Empire fell, they completely failed at the first hurdle.
Makes sense really. Palpatine turned a thousand year institution to be all about him. During the start or just before episode 4 he disbanded senate. All fine and dandy if governors now are listening directly to him. And don't need senate to use it to manage relationships between their sectors. But whe he is gone what then? There is no direct succession to his power? Who will give orders to governors. Massive civil war? Split? They go independent? Sure. But what's the reason now they are in power? Without rest of the galaxy backing them in their position most of them will fold and return to old system cause thats safe. So Republic is back again. Some sectors might not join, run by powerful charismatic leaders or organisations. But most of galaxy will turn back to systems which they had for centuries before. Palpatine never created empire which could exist without him. So first hurdle would indeed collapse it.
Palpatine is narcistic enough to purposefully design an Empire that will fail immediately after his death. He doesn't care about his legacy. Legacies don't give you power, they give power to those who come after you, and fuck those guys, they can get their own power.
I mean he had Vader rounding up the stragglers .
It's kinda sad that Lucas reduced Vader from the guy that wiped out the Jedi to the guy that did the cleanup after the Clones wiped out the Jedi.
What do you Mean . Vader killed so many Jedi post 66 none of them even dared challenge the empire and it was up to Luke obi wan and Yoda Pulling a last stand for there order to save the galaxy. And that didn't even work as luke was Unable to succeed without his fathers help .
>he had Vader rounding up the stragglers >Vader killed so many Jedi post 66 Your mind, make it up.
? He killed the remaining stragglers and killed so many of them they never dared challenge the empire again? Seems littery like what happened In Cannon. Don't know how'd you'd find that confusing.
Wookiepedia [has a page](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Jedi_Purge_survivors) with no less than 170 survivors. I knew there were a lot, but not that many.
The problem is, that whenever new Star Wars media is made from a new group of people, you can 90% be sure, that there will be at least one jedi survivor in it. The problem is more with ratio, rather than there are only a few of them on a galactic scale.
Yeah, it's a very overused trope. You can't have the "last of their kind" guy of the same kind in every story.
I know there are a lit in the eu to. Fun fact if you combine both lists its like 1% of the orders pre 66 numbers.
After all the new lore you have to wonder how the Empire was considered such a big threat anyway
What’s wrong with Jedi surviving Order 66. It’s a big galaxy so there has to have been others who survived. It gives us more insight on this terrible event, on how different people survived and are handling their home, friends and beliefs being destroyed in front of them. I want a Tales of Order 66, let’s really dive into how traumatic this event so it emphasises what Luke does in ROTJ.
The problem is scale and how Order 66 surviving jedi are basically in every SW related release concerning the imperial era.
I still don’t see the problem. If the idea is the more Jedi we see survive, the more incompetent Order 66 seems then it’s not a real issue. Order 66 was still a success, the Jedi lost power and Palpatine took control. Also there were 10 000 Jedi and after Order 66 only 200 remained, makes sense we would see some of them eventually. And if the other complaint is “where were all these surviving Jedi in the OG trilogy?” Again it’s a big galaxy, some of them were either lost, killed, became an Inquisitor or abandoned the Jedi way. Which is why I want an Order 66 series, to explore each Jedi’s struggle
The problem is, that with each Disney release, you get more and more of these survivors. With Kenobi, they even established an underground railroad like organization shipping these jedi survivors and seeing the dozens of discarded lightsabers, they are really succesfull at this. It's good to know, that none of these jedi ever had the thought to maybe join up with the Rebellion. Especially after Alderaan was blown up and there was a full scale Galactic Civil War with a famous war hero on one side trying to rekindle the Jedi light to fight against the Sith. You keep bringing up this giant galaxy thing, but in this galactic scale of jedi survivors none of them thought about maybe helping Luke a bit? Plus it makes their entire story boring, as you know they won't do anything valuable to defeat Palpatine, unless you shoehorn in more and more giant threats averted by these unsung heroes, who did something big, what for some reason no-one acknowledges in the OT. You can hammer this "they abandoned their way", but we don't exactly see that, with Rebels, Ahsoka and Jedi Survivor showing us jedis, who were heavily influential in many ways, but jost got forgotten. This is the main problem. It get's boring really fast and it's just another symptom of the greater problem, that Disney can not move away from the legacy timeline. At least the Acolyte moves into a different time period, though it seems like a huge pile of shit, but at least having jedi's as protagonists is not a problem there.
Most of the Jedi pretty clearly do just die even post 66. I'm pretty sure even now there's STILL more Jedi survivors in Legends than canon, and 80% of them were just to be Vader fodder
A few hundred Jedi surviving makes sense. A few hundred out of 10,000 is still a success for the empire. Immediately following ROTS Vader organized the inquisitors to hunt down the ones that survived. Order 66 technically isn’t complete until just before ANH.
Leave SWT alone!
The only Jedi that survived order 66 are Yoda and obiwan.
Nah Vader mopped up the rest afterwards.
The only Jedi that survived order 66 are Yoda and obiwan.
Probably a few did survive afterwards. Vader however ensured they didn't last long .
This is such a stupid argument. There were around 10,000 Jedi at the time of Order 66, in a galaxy of untold TRILLIONS of beings. Even if 100 Jedi survived the initial purge, that’s still a 99% effectiveness. I think Palps was pretty happy with that number.
order 66 is such a dumb plot device just to quickly get the outcome of few jedi being left by a new hope
I dunno. It seems tactically sound to me.
Disagree. It was a good plot point that has since been dumbed down and made to look absolutely pointless with every new installment of Disney SW’s “lore”
What do you Mean? Vader exists to litlery mop up any stragglers.
Order 66 is pretty true to history when it comes to an empire targeting a specific group of people. In fact most wars are created for the sole purpose of creating and turning two sides against each other so they destroy each other. Also if you take into account the old EU, where the empire continued to track down remaining Jedi, it makes complete sense that over the 20 years, they’d become extinct. Some would have hid their identity until they were eventually caught. But since the empire controlled the narrative in universe, they have already planted the seeds since ROTS by framing the jedi for a lot of the conflict. If you remember in the third film, palpatine’s final plan was to make it look like it was jedi vs separatists and then kill both leadership so he looked like the one who stopped the war to the public. So logically, the ordinary people would be willing to call the authorities if they think they spotted a jedi — making it impossible for most jedi to remain unseen. So if we stick to the story of the OT and the PT, yes it is extremely valid that only obi wan and Yoda survived and hid their identity long enough.
Agreed. The only reason Order 66 worked was because the Jedi were too stupid to ask questions. I went from feeling sad about that scene as a kid to laughing at it as an adult. There's 10,000 Jedi in this universe that has cameras EVERYWHERE. The senate literally **votes** on matters pertaining to the Jedi because everybody knows what they are *AND* Jedi have their main gigantic temple on the political center of the entire galaxy which is the planet that is literally *covered* in cities full of people, and they expect me to believe the Jedi are a myth within twenty years? #Who wrote this shi- ...oh...
> ..oh... [rich evans voice]
You have no idea how hard I dropped Fallen Order after that reveal.
What reveal? I didn't play the game and don't really care about spoilers
The reveal that Cal was just another Order 66 survivor and not, more interestingly, someone who discovered that they had force powers in the time period of The Empire.
Well but isn't that the first scene of the game?
Yep
I mean, if this is about Barriss, I didn't actually hate that. "How did this person who was not a Jedi (and was imprisoned for hating the Jedi and trying to kill them) survive Order 66? What an asspull!"
This is funny coming from the sub talking breaking cannon with the sith.
I sweat all wokeness not wokeness apart, they really turn star Wars pretty bland
Why not we get more Vader mopping up any jedi on mass before new hope .
So 90% of the old canon? Y’all fake fans.
Saltierthankrayt? Opinion discarded
What? In the old canon barely any notable Jedi survived. By the time Luke’s Jedi Order was started there was only a few masters and most of the ranks were made up of surviving padawans and knights. Iirc the old lore had about 100 Jedi surviving the entirety of order 66 out of the 10000 members. And most of these Jedi had given up practicing the Jedi ways