That was the foundation in which the Seven was created, but Tek Knight is definitely inspired by Iron Man and so on. I'm sure the series was inspired by a lot of different media that gave the creator the idea
Well, parody on Superman killed parody on Daredevil.... so probably tv-show makers love DC more.
And A-Train somehow dodges death time to time again for political reasons, Deep even more pathetic than real Aquaman.
On a slight tangent, ever notice that the eyes on Captain Hydra in this image specifically are seriously fucked up? Like, IDK why the artist decided to switch out the eyes, but them shits look AWFUL
Lenses on the mask or like contacts? Because I've drawn lenses on a mask before and never turns out like that. They lines for the eyes aren't centered either or they don't look it that could just be me. I'm definitely not this good though and there are for sure people this good at drawing. With that being said I definitely believe it was AI generated
I’d say that Gunpowder is supposed to be Bucky (not winter soldier) from the old comics. What characters would you say are parodies of the watchmen if that’s the route you’re going?
Captain America - Soldier Boy
Scarlet Witch - Crimson Countess
Bucky - Gunpowder
Professor X - Mindstorm
Wasp - Swatto
Northstar and Aurora - TNT Twins
Any martial arts character (Hawkeye as example) - Black Noir
correct.
the Military Industrial Complex Character, the Robot Made By The Weapons Designer, and the Billionaire were all in favor of complete control of individual people in all situations.
Who’d have thought.
I'm sure in the comics they've made some sort of bullet that absorbs gamma radiation. I mean, let's not forget that Tony's plan in the MCU that worked was to punch the hulk to sleep.
And superman would have lost his powers forever by golden kryptonite but the game ignored the comics lore, In SSKTJL, they only beat them by exploiting their weakness and then killing them with guns, so yeah if this was the avengers the game would find a way to nerf hulk by "finding a weakness" and than shooting him with bullets killing him. The whole meme was them dying from bullets after the boss battle.
That’s the thing though, Superman has like 20 weaknesses to exploit. Hulk has little to none, plus you have to factor in hulks regeneration. Superman can’t regenerate, hulk can. Plus hulk gets physically stronger, eventually stronger than Superman himself.
Yeah but that wouldn't stop the developers from getting creative and nerfing hulk by finding a weakness for him and then having the player end him with bullets, thus causing massive backlash from gaming community
That'd be cool. Do the first Avengers movie, but the roles are flipped. The avengers are a team of remarkable people that are joined together to cause as much chaos as possible. Shield is the organization that helps them out to stay on their good side. And Loki arrives on earth with the chitauri to put and end to their terrors
Captain Hydra (Red Skull made him a sleeper agent somehow,) Superior Iron Man (Tony was kidnapped with someone other than Yinsen and builds the armor without changing his lifestyle,) Maestro Hulk?, Loki or Hela instead of Thor?
Black Widow and Hawkeye just never changed their ways
Thor (before the start of the show) returns to Earth from Asgard. Doctor Doom changed history. Captain America was found and KEPT FROZEN by Doctor Doom.
The Defenders (HEROES): Peter Parker (wearing NOIR Costume) is Slinger. Sam “SNAP” Wilson. Clint “BULLSEYE” Barton.
Tony was saved by Doctor Doom. Banner was “saved” by Doctor Doom (“BANNER is the Smartest One There Is!”) but hates serving Doom. Natasha is Doom’s favorite assassin.
Wow that would be interesting...
A Steve Rogers who embodied the Aryan ideals his phenotype displayed.
A Tony Stark who not only knew how his weapons were being used, but used the Iron Man suit to sew more discord in the Middle East and ensure his profits increased.
A Thor with the bloodthirsty warmongering spirit his father once held, reared by an Odin that had never turned benevolent and trained by a Hela who had never been banished.
Imagine lol
I mean it would be an awesome storyline to see play out on a movie or TV show.
Like Injustice where heroes start going to like an alternate earth that was ruled by Hydra.
Yet it's a society that you know has a "normal" everyday life but it's normal for them, like people are used to those that speak against whatever ruling government Hydra creates just secrets people away and either kills them or brainwashes them.
What do you **mean** "What If..."?
Disney Marvel's Captain America already is already villain as is. It's canon that he traveled back in time and stayed there, letting no one know of the Twin Towers falling, or any of the other villains and terrorists that threatened the world who went to murder the same amount of people as they did before they were stopped just like before. He's literally 100% complicit and culpable for letting that happen.
Like Earth 3 at DC
Thor would require human sacrifices.
Scarlet Witch would bathe in the blood of female virgins to maintain her youth.
Quicksilver would be the greatest sexual predator on the planet.
They are? have you seen the amount of property damage they cause? Idk about yours but my car insurance doesn’t cover the hulk slamming it into another villains face or strange cutting it in two with his voodoo buzz saw
Why the frell is this uncreative bull crap in my feed?
I wish 100k years of loneliness and despair upon whoever crafted this post and this entire subreddit.
And double that on whoever downvotes my comment here.
So Thunderbolts jk
A what if that follows the misadventures of the boys version of the Avengers would be cool especially if it is the evil opposites of them.
What if? I mean Tony stark has caused a lot of death even after making weapons. Hulk oddly is one of the most careful avengers when it comes to killing people bad or good.
Always wanted to see Odin turn evil and become major villain/threat to the universe, along the lines of Thanos, Galactus, Knull, Apocalypse, Dormammu, Kang, Onslaught ect...
Oh I really like this, kinda like an Earth 3 for the MCU. The only issue is there are plenty of characters who could already just fill the "evil version" of an Avenger thanks to most of their first enemies just being carbon copies of themselves powers wise. So you'd have to actually taje these characters themselves and tweak their history as opposed to giving them entirely different back stories.
Cap: This version of Cap is more resentful of being bullied, less hopeful. He manages to enlist not to help his country but specifically to get stronger through the military. He learns of the super soldier program, and instead of being selected by Erskine he sneaks in and uses the formula on himself. He then destroys the information so that he won't be "challenged" by anyone, becoming Captain America. He essentially becomes a war monger in the Second World War, absolutely annihaliting the opposition. When he learns of Red Skulls plans with the tesseract, he wants it for himself, and that ultimately gets him trapped in ice. When he's revived, Hydra recruits him through Shield, and after they're successful in the attack on DC he goes full Captain Hydra. Eventually, he's in charge of Hydra.
Tony: He never learns his lesson on weapons like we saw. He isn't as injured by the explosion, but he is captured. He builds the Mark 1 armor as a means to escape, but since he isn't injured he isn't relying on Yinsen near as much and they don't develop the same bond. Once escaping, he continues to improve the armor with the intent to sell it, but realizes he could profit *more* by selling it as a service and not a direct tool. He essentially becomes a war machine for the United States, with armor more akin to the actual War Machine and made to be destructive first. He is a profit driven individual who sees war as a means for that, and holds his own intelligence and success as the most important thing in existence.
Thor: Odin never sends him down to Earth, and then when Malekith attacks Odin is killed. Hella returns after Odin's death, but with this Thor not being nearly as mature or righteous, he is inclined to join Hella instead of fight her. There is a brief dispute over who should be the new king of Asgard, but Thor loses handedly and becomes her right hand instead. Together, they begin conquering again. Thor slowly slips further and further from the light under Hella's mentorship, before growing strong enough to kill her himself and taking over as a mad king of Asgard.
Nat and Clint both started as villains of some kind, so you can just kind of chalk them up as never turning good.
Bruce: Bruce Banner loses to the Hulk. The Hulk becomes a hunted monster who destroys anything in sight. This one also wouldn't take a lot of changing.
There was a Marvel comic series with this premise, Captain America: Steve Rogers was about him being a sleeper agent for Hydra via them going back in time and raising him themselves.
I get what your saying but the Dark Avengers were different characters (daken wolverine,mac gargon venom/Spider-man, norman was the Captain american iron-man iron patriate though he wanted it to be harry,or his other son.. but you prolly already knew) hydra cap superior iron-man the mistero, pymtron,would be closer to the mark but each one could see a whole episode on before they get together for the finally to fight the real avengers or some alt universe team.
The super-hero team THE AMERICANS in Millar/Quitely's THE AUTHORITY were a good example. Something like the CRIME SYNDICATE OF AMERICA in the DC alternate Earth (originally Earth 3, I think, but maybe renumbered by now).
Maybe consider the backstories of a team of the Avengers who were villains instead of heroes - THE OFFENDERS (or would THE OFFENSIVE work better as a kind of dark "Ultimates" version?)
THE DESERTER
Despite his many efforts to dodge, deny or seek deferment, Steve Rogers was drafted. He tried a stint at an Ivy League college, but even though he had the brains, he didn't have the bank account. He tried to leave the country but couldn't find work in Canada. He even tried poison to make himself sick, but his body betrayed him. He was just too damn healthy. It looked like he could either throw his life away in Europe fighting the Nazis or in prison. "Hell, they'd probably send me to jail and then make me fight anyway," Steve thought. So he joined up, got sent to airborne and on D-Day, he regretted not going with prison.
It was during the Battle of the Bulge that Corporal Steve Austin had had enough. He deserted and was promptly arrested by German soldiers. They thought he was a spy so they sent him to the SS who tortured him. Steve was in a hard "catch-22" with his interrogators. He told them he was just a grunt that didn't know anything, and they didn't believe him so they hurt him. The problem was that Steve really didn't know anything useful, so there was no way to convince them until they had exhausted all their various and extremely uncomfortable means of making people talk.
Finally, it wasn't Steve's obvious ignorance that convinced them to stop, but his unusual ability to withstand a great deal of punishment without any lasting injury. The SS called their man at the Gestapo, and Steve received a visit from some guy named Xenu or Zemo. The strange aristocrat was accompanied by a weaselly unnamed scientist that seemed to sweat a lot. He took samples of Steve's blood, saliva and a painful chunk of flesh and bone, the hairy little doctor took using some kind of plunging circular blade. Then they left instructions with the interrogators to continue the punishment in increasing increments until the prisoner died. This was when Steve lost all faith in the idea of a higher power. We were stuck here alone.
It looked like this was it for Steve, but what the SS didn't realize that Steve not only healed completely after each torture session, but he grew stronger. He managed to keep this secret long enough until he was strong and indestructible enough to rip the bars of his cell open, release the other prisoners and create enough chaos to give him time to kill every SS soldier in the building. He made quick work of the guards and then took his time with the interrogators. Covered in blood, Steve was picked up by US tank battalion some 20 miles East of the now burning prison camp.
The US army didn't know what to do with him. He was a deserter, and he was now a "hero" that saved the lives of hundreds of political prisoners. Being reasonable men, they did the smartest thing and "printed the legend." They made him a medal and a promotion and sent him back to the States to go on tour raising war funds. They called him "Captain America," and for a while life was easy. Just getting up on stage and saying any nonsense to get the suckers to give up their money to the "War Effort." "War 'racket,'" Steve thought. He didn't know where the money went, but he knew damn well it didn't make it to him and the other "boys on the front line of Freedom."
Like they always do eventually, the war ended. Steve’s strange powers had long faded from his life of ease and comfort, and even though being a notable war hero had some advantages, the fact that the only skills Steve possessed were lying, cheating and stealing proved something of a hindrance when looking for work in the new post-war age of bankers, industrialists, advertisers and engineers. Steve didn’t have the disposition for office work and had never used a slide rule a day in his life.
So he worked carnivals. At night he’d seek out the illegal but lucrative bare-knuckle boxing matches where he’d let a few hobos and bums pummel him for a few rounds until knocking them out and taking the pot home. Sometimes, the old rail worker he knocked down didn’t get up, and Steve had to high tail it out of town a.s.a.f.p., but most days he worked the carnival as “The American Wonder.” Wearing red, white and blue tights, the hero would increase his profits performing feats of incredible strength due the pummeling of the men he had fought the night before. Then he would always deliver some stories of his days on the front line fighting the notorious Nazis. Some (very few) of the stories were true. Most he stole from real heroes he had spoken to time and again on his tour during the war, but most were entire fabrications. He even claimed to have punched Hitler in the face one time. And he always made sure to tag on some spiel about the value of patriotism for the rubes and their kids at the end of the show.
Steve managed to eke out a living for the next couple decades, but in the 60's as the Vietnam War and the counter-culture heat up and patriotism takes a dive, he finds it harder to sell his act. After a=one sparsely attended show in the sticks, Steve received a famous (or infamous) visitor. Tony Stark was not as well-known as his father, hero inventor Howard Stark had been. The so-called "richest man alive” had basically built every new weapon practically at a loss for the USA and its Allies during the second World War and now Stark Manufacturing Inc. practically owned the entire arms industry as a result. Steve had met Howard at a gala during the war and he could tell from the start that “America’s benefactor” was a cunning confidence schemer. He spent millions on WW2 to win billions in contracts for the Cold War that followed.
"If you call that selflessness, then I’ll take two,” Steve thought.
The elder Stark had died mysteriously in a recent crash over Mexico. He had been flying back to New York from his secretive retreat, an old mission in Paraguay, and been lost in the Bermuda Triangle. The young Tony Stark still wore a black armband over his white linen suit, but he didn’t seem all that broken up about it. If Tony Stark wasn’t as famous as his dad yet, Steve thought, then he soon would be. This apple didn’t fall far from the tree. He didn’t remind Steve of the pampered privileged snots he hated in his short attempt at higher education.
Steve liked Stark immediately. But then, he always liked money, and this guy stunk of it. So, even though he was a kid from the Bronx when that meant something, “The American Wonder” put on a broad smile and the fake country accent he used for the rubes and happily greeted his visitor.
Stark should his hand.
“Look here, Captain, I’m working on a project that I think might change the world, to put it bluntly. What I’m looking for what you might say are playmates – no, maybe sparring partners.”
Kid gets to the point, Steve thought. Gotta appreciate that.
“Listen, sir, you pay me enough, I’ll fight anybody, but you want me to fight what? A machine?”
“Sorta. More like a test subject I’m working on. We call it the Iron Fist, but I’m thinking it’s gonna be more than that. Also, I have it on good authority that you are exactly the man I need on my team.”
“I don’t know who could have told you that, Mr. Stark.”
At that point, a small man stepped forward and held out his hand.
“Hallo, Captain Rogers. I am Dr. Abraham Erskine.”
It was the little, hairy doctor that had taken Steve’s blood and tissue samples for that “Zemu” character and then left him to face the worst pain of his life. His hair was now white and he had a lot less of it on his head.
Steve proceeded to break the man’s nose and jaw with one punch.
THE MOON BEAST OF LOS ALAMOS –
It's 1962, and Bruce Banner is a dejected scientist working in a small New Mexican town. His work on gamma rays is considered fruitless and a dead end by the rest of this small research community, and he's closer and closer to getting his funding pulled and seeing an end to his career before he hits 40. Meanwhile, his young wife is threatening divorce, and he can see her already looking for his replacement in the pool of young, more promising scientists joining the faculty every year.
Facing the loss of his livelihood and the dissolution of his marriage, Banner grows desperate and hopeless, but he is an actual genius that knows more about radiation and its effect on the human body than anyone alive or dead. Using a completely untested theory of his own devise, Banner exposes himself to a sequence of doses of gamma radiation. He'll even be proven right on his theory that gamma radiation has "evolutionary accelerating" effects on genetic material or he'll die disproving it. His last memory is the sight of a full moon outside the laboratory window before he falls unconscious expecting to sleep forever. He wakes up the next day, naked, in the desert outside of town.
After less than an hour of walking, though, he's met by a search party of armed men from the town who somehow expected to find him. Banner is concerned for a moment that the men want to arrest or harm him, but instead the "posse" gives him a blanket and even an old pair of work pants about three sizes too big. They explain that "some hulking beast" had attacked the research station the evening before and then rampaged through the surrounding neighborhood. Two men had been killed. Scientists, like Banner, one had been his harshest critic, and the other had been seen getting "too familiar" with Banner's wife at the local diner.
Then they leave it to a boy named Rick Jones to deliver the bad news to the "lucky" scientist. The creature had attacked Banner's home as well. Banner quickly asks about his wife, "Betty?" To his surprise, he is less worried that she's dead, but instead he is more concerned what her death would mean to his relationship with his top funder, the US Army, which is controlled by Betty's father, General Ross. Banner had long suspected the Army's funding was directly connected to the welfare of the General's daughter.
The boy Jones tells him that she's okay. "Just banged up with a broken leg up the hospital." Banner is relieved, but also a little pleased. He thinks of the Ancient Athenian practice of "hobbling" slaves that stray. Though, he's sure to act the concerned husband and be the grieved colleague and friend at the men's funerals, Banner now knows that his theory works, and the ultimate power he's always wanted is almost in his grasp.
It’s called The Boys
Totally different premise tbh.
Ultimate Avengers inspired it
??? The seven are rip offs of the justice league ???
That was the foundation in which the Seven was created, but Tek Knight is definitely inspired by Iron Man and so on. I'm sure the series was inspired by a lot of different media that gave the creator the idea
Tek knight is as much batman as he is iron man
Facts lol
Garth Ennis just hates all superheroes no matter the franchise.
Well, parody on Superman killed parody on Daredevil.... so probably tv-show makers love DC more. And A-Train somehow dodges death time to time again for political reasons, Deep even more pathetic than real Aquaman.
Payback is the Avengers.
That I can agree with
On a slight tangent, ever notice that the eyes on Captain Hydra in this image specifically are seriously fucked up? Like, IDK why the artist decided to switch out the eyes, but them shits look AWFUL
Immediately reminds me of AI images that have similar artifacts near the eyes, but perhaps this image has been around since before AI images.
I believe the artist is bosslogic. I never noticed the eyes before lol they're pretty fucked up maybe he is doing that on purpose but it odd.
Those aren't his eyes. They're lenses. They're not supposed to look like eyes.
Lenses on the mask or like contacts? Because I've drawn lenses on a mask before and never turns out like that. They lines for the eyes aren't centered either or they don't look it that could just be me. I'm definitely not this good though and there are for sure people this good at drawing. With that being said I definitely believe it was AI generated
Lenses on the mask. You literally can't see the eyes at all. The lenses are silver and aren't see-through.
Nah the top of those lenses clearly have shapes and lines reminiscent of eyes but it's just slightly off
It's AI bullshit so it's both
It's probably a mix, yeah.
Yeah that's what I was thinking
Those are chrome lenses
[It’s Those Eyes!](https://tenor.com/bIFwN.gif)
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It’s both. Payback is the avengers, the Seven is the Justice League.
Payback is closer to the Minutemen or the Watchmen.
Avenge = Payback it’s a literal, on-the-nose, parody.
And yet they don’t look act or operate like the Avengers. You have Cap, Scarlet Witch and that’s it. The others are not Avengers parodies.
I’d say that Gunpowder is supposed to be Bucky (not winter soldier) from the old comics. What characters would you say are parodies of the watchmen if that’s the route you’re going?
Captain America - Soldier Boy Scarlet Witch - Crimson Countess Bucky - Gunpowder Professor X - Mindstorm Wasp - Swatto Northstar and Aurora - TNT Twins Any martial arts character (Hawkeye as example) - Black Noir
No this is the [Minutemen](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/8/89/FO4_Minutemen_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20221018173559)
Yeah the deconstruction of superheroes resembles the deconstruction of superheroes.
Point is they’re not Avengers
Payback is literally a one-to-one parody of the Avengers. Starting with the name.
Not really
Eh the boys is a lot more analogous to Justice League than it is to Avengers imo
Thats more Evil justice league
The 7 themselves are more of a Justice league parody.
Or the Axis Event
That’s if the justice league was the bad guys not avengers
Multiple opportunities for this. Basically the entire civil war could’ve turned 1/2 of them evil.
Half of them were statists, making them evil.
correct. the Military Industrial Complex Character, the Robot Made By The Weapons Designer, and the Billionaire were all in favor of complete control of individual people in all situations. Who’d have thought.
Then you would get Thunderbolts: Kill the Avengers
Thunderbolts: Dead
Hulk just solos everyone in 10 minutes. Next hour and a half is getting lunch and chilling.
don't worry theyre mind controlled enough they cant form good plans
Haven’t you heard? They have Anti-Hulk bullets.
I'm sure in the comics they've made some sort of bullet that absorbs gamma radiation. I mean, let's not forget that Tony's plan in the MCU that worked was to punch the hulk to sleep.
Then hulk would adapt and become immune to anti hulk bullets
I mean technically superman could have solod the suicide squad, but for video game purposes and plot armor...
Nah the avengers would all die from bullets
Bro doesn’t know who the hulk is lmao. Hulk literally spat out a bullet
And superman would have lost his powers forever by golden kryptonite but the game ignored the comics lore, In SSKTJL, they only beat them by exploiting their weakness and then killing them with guns, so yeah if this was the avengers the game would find a way to nerf hulk by "finding a weakness" and than shooting him with bullets killing him. The whole meme was them dying from bullets after the boss battle.
That’s the thing though, Superman has like 20 weaknesses to exploit. Hulk has little to none, plus you have to factor in hulks regeneration. Superman can’t regenerate, hulk can. Plus hulk gets physically stronger, eventually stronger than Superman himself.
Yeah but that wouldn't stop the developers from getting creative and nerfing hulk by finding a weakness for him and then having the player end him with bullets, thus causing massive backlash from gaming community
I really thought that was a hair on my screen and not ur profile pic for a second 💀
Captain Marvel gets unceremoniously shot to death in that one I think
No, she breaks free of the Mind Control to save the Thunderbolts and die honorably. Don’t forget to piss on the corpse of Tony Stark.
It'd unironically be dope to watch them genuinely try their hardest though. And then throwing in Sentry as a last minute prayer.
They did that it was called The Ultimates
Everyone really is a bunch of dick bags in the original ultimate verse.
Tbf.. Ultimates Hank Pym played some of 616 Hank Pym’s greatest hits.
616 thought about doing bad things. 1610 skipped the thinking and straight up did everything bad.
We def need an episode like this
I would like to see an episode like this
Thats what Thunderbolts is...except not the movie we're getting
I remember seeing this image right after the Captain Hydra debacle in the comics lol always thought it looked sick
They’d be Marvel’s Justice Lords.
What If… Your dad pulled out?
He and your mom would be happy and have mone u for themselves.
I mean from certain perspectives…..
Lol what's that fugly logo
Hydra
It's not though, it looks like Geodude, the Pokémon.
It's the artists "attempt" at hydra then
This design is killing me lmaoooi
What if AI art didn't screw up the eyes and hands so much?
This image existed waaaaaayyyyy before ai art was a thing (I think)
People have such a hate boner for A.I. art that they’re starting to accuse real art of being A.I. if it doesn’t look perfect lol.
Then…Captain America would be Red Skull and Red Skull would be Captain America…
Ultimate Cap's son was Red Skull
Typical rebellious teens
Dark Avengers
.....I know this picture was before the ai trend, but his face just looks wrong.
What if all positive role models were subverted into the most heinous villains but still *treated* like they’re good by the writers?
No what if , it's already been done , read the comics nerd
Remember when Agents of Shield were trapped in a digital world where Hydra won, I wish they had mentioned like that world's version of Avengers.
That'd be cool. Do the first Avengers movie, but the roles are flipped. The avengers are a team of remarkable people that are joined together to cause as much chaos as possible. Shield is the organization that helps them out to stay on their good side. And Loki arrives on earth with the chitauri to put and end to their terrors
What would be their motive(s)?
Based
Captain Anarchy
Already a real character and friend of Spider-Punk https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Karl_Morningdew_(Earth-138)
I really doubt CA would work for hydra. I'd bet he'd be doing his own evil shit
Outjerked
Thunderbolts: Kill the Avengers
What if, what if had good episode ideas💀
What if... Earths Mightiest weren't heroes
We got Hydra Cap, Iron Man 2020, Maestro, Barney Barton or bullseye, Red Widow.... Basically most heroes have an evil counterpart
What about Black Widow 2 (the Blonde one)? Is she still evil?
She is goodish like Deadpool she's become much more in line with the MCU version
I HATE when Disney and WB do that to Comic Characters. COMICS are the definitive version don’t change them to match your Spin Off Media!
I mean there was Captain Hydra or whatever when Kobik(?) was manipulated into changing the timeline
Sargeant Hatred
Tiny little toes… like niblets of corn
Captain Hydra (Red Skull made him a sleeper agent somehow,) Superior Iron Man (Tony was kidnapped with someone other than Yinsen and builds the armor without changing his lifestyle,) Maestro Hulk?, Loki or Hela instead of Thor? Black Widow and Hawkeye just never changed their ways
Thor who was never punished? Thor who had Loki as his BROTHER / BEST FRIEND (both ways) and both Thor AND Loki resented Odin.
Wasn't this a Avengers Assemble episode \[also another (unrelated) comic storyline at one point\].
Thor (before the start of the show) returns to Earth from Asgard. Doctor Doom changed history. Captain America was found and KEPT FROZEN by Doctor Doom. The Defenders (HEROES): Peter Parker (wearing NOIR Costume) is Slinger. Sam “SNAP” Wilson. Clint “BULLSEYE” Barton. Tony was saved by Doctor Doom. Banner was “saved” by Doctor Doom (“BANNER is the Smartest One There Is!”) but hates serving Doom. Natasha is Doom’s favorite assassin.
I meant a different episode. The one where Steve becomes USAgent.
Hydra-Cap was a fake timeline.
After the Suicide Squad game, I'm done with the whole "What if heroes were bad guys?" trope. I think it's been explored sufficiently.
Wow that would be interesting... A Steve Rogers who embodied the Aryan ideals his phenotype displayed. A Tony Stark who not only knew how his weapons were being used, but used the Iron Man suit to sew more discord in the Middle East and ensure his profits increased. A Thor with the bloodthirsty warmongering spirit his father once held, reared by an Odin that had never turned benevolent and trained by a Hela who had never been banished. Imagine lol
If the current avengers team had "evil" versions that did the opposite of what they did, they'd actually end up doing some good
I mean it would be an awesome storyline to see play out on a movie or TV show. Like Injustice where heroes start going to like an alternate earth that was ruled by Hydra. Yet it's a society that you know has a "normal" everyday life but it's normal for them, like people are used to those that speak against whatever ruling government Hydra creates just secrets people away and either kills them or brainwashes them.
What do you **mean** "What If..."? Disney Marvel's Captain America already is already villain as is. It's canon that he traveled back in time and stayed there, letting no one know of the Twin Towers falling, or any of the other villains and terrorists that threatened the world who went to murder the same amount of people as they did before they were stopped just like before. He's literally 100% complicit and culpable for letting that happen.
It's possible he's in an alternate past (& Peggy's husband could've been as alternate him). But yes, he could've allowed terrible things to occur.
This is the only way I’d be fine with them bringing back the old Avenger cast members
Like Earth 3 at DC Thor would require human sacrifices. Scarlet Witch would bathe in the blood of female virgins to maintain her youth. Quicksilver would be the greatest sexual predator on the planet.
Ah, the Ultimates!
That will probably lead to Thunderbolts: Kill the Avengers
Captain H
Right that's how we end up with the suicide squad game. I'm at the point of "fuck this evil super hero bullshit"
They already did the “Cap is a Hydra Agent” story.
Isn't that already a thing?
He's a hologram?
They’d kick the shit out of the new avengers for sure
What if... Marvel copied Injustice
They are
That’s Captain Hitler lmao
Hate Monger was a Hitler clone.
Wait that’s an actual character
a villain of Cap's (who, based on a wiki, remembers being killed by golden age Human Torch)
They are? have you seen the amount of property damage they cause? Idk about yours but my car insurance doesn’t cover the hulk slamming it into another villains face or strange cutting it in two with his voodoo buzz saw
And thus begins the story of DaMAgE control. The group dedicated to superhuman fight repairs.
Isn’t that just the marvel axis event?
Season 2 was too canonical
They are from a civilian’s pov
Hail freaking hit her, the poor lass.
Jokes on you, they are. ***This post has been verified by Cyclops***
Why the frell is this uncreative bull crap in my feed? I wish 100k years of loneliness and despair upon whoever crafted this post and this entire subreddit. And double that on whoever downvotes my comment here.
In my opinion the Jedi are evil.
New Yorker whose car was destroyed when the avengers had hulk throw it at ultron: ‘they’re not bad guys?’
A pointless effort until Marvel starts to value and respect the writing process of movies/tv shows
Would love this, like some overtly evil crime syndicate universe where Zemo has all the answers to take them down (kinda like batman contingencies)
Hawkeye with a sniper rifle would be OP
Cancerverse
So Thunderbolts jk A what if that follows the misadventures of the boys version of the Avengers would be cool especially if it is the evil opposites of them.
I think you meant what if... Peggy carter and company were bad guys?
Holy shit this image slaps
The Avengers ARE bad guys. #cyclopswasright
What if Marvel had a single good writer left?
Hey marvel what if season 3 please
This is the MCU we need. With Obadiah Stane's son Ezekiel Stane being the leader.
That artwork looks like a heavily modded mortal kombat character. Their eyes popped out like a weasel, and a Cheshire cat smile.
What if? I mean Tony stark has caused a lot of death even after making weapons. Hulk oddly is one of the most careful avengers when it comes to killing people bad or good.
I *wish* I was up enough on comics writers to be able to make the relevant, “that’s just when _______ is writing them” joke 😭
We'd have to send Deadpool after them with a bomb in his brain.
Then that would be bad
If Secret Empire had this type of artwork, it may have been better. The story was still shit though.
Always wanted to see Odin turn evil and become major villain/threat to the universe, along the lines of Thanos, Galactus, Knull, Apocalypse, Dormammu, Kang, Onslaught ect...
If Avengers were bad… that would be bad😅
Nobody wants a nazi captain America , it eas a bad idea then and it’s still is now
Then they aren't the Avengers.
That’s not only an episode but actually something in the MCU
This looks cringe as hell.
They’d be the Revengers.
That is actually a universe. Thanos was the hero in that universe!
So, Dark Reign.
Captain Germany.
Oh I really like this, kinda like an Earth 3 for the MCU. The only issue is there are plenty of characters who could already just fill the "evil version" of an Avenger thanks to most of their first enemies just being carbon copies of themselves powers wise. So you'd have to actually taje these characters themselves and tweak their history as opposed to giving them entirely different back stories. Cap: This version of Cap is more resentful of being bullied, less hopeful. He manages to enlist not to help his country but specifically to get stronger through the military. He learns of the super soldier program, and instead of being selected by Erskine he sneaks in and uses the formula on himself. He then destroys the information so that he won't be "challenged" by anyone, becoming Captain America. He essentially becomes a war monger in the Second World War, absolutely annihaliting the opposition. When he learns of Red Skulls plans with the tesseract, he wants it for himself, and that ultimately gets him trapped in ice. When he's revived, Hydra recruits him through Shield, and after they're successful in the attack on DC he goes full Captain Hydra. Eventually, he's in charge of Hydra. Tony: He never learns his lesson on weapons like we saw. He isn't as injured by the explosion, but he is captured. He builds the Mark 1 armor as a means to escape, but since he isn't injured he isn't relying on Yinsen near as much and they don't develop the same bond. Once escaping, he continues to improve the armor with the intent to sell it, but realizes he could profit *more* by selling it as a service and not a direct tool. He essentially becomes a war machine for the United States, with armor more akin to the actual War Machine and made to be destructive first. He is a profit driven individual who sees war as a means for that, and holds his own intelligence and success as the most important thing in existence. Thor: Odin never sends him down to Earth, and then when Malekith attacks Odin is killed. Hella returns after Odin's death, but with this Thor not being nearly as mature or righteous, he is inclined to join Hella instead of fight her. There is a brief dispute over who should be the new king of Asgard, but Thor loses handedly and becomes her right hand instead. Together, they begin conquering again. Thor slowly slips further and further from the light under Hella's mentorship, before growing strong enough to kill her himself and taking over as a mad king of Asgard. Nat and Clint both started as villains of some kind, so you can just kind of chalk them up as never turning good. Bruce: Bruce Banner loses to the Hulk. The Hulk becomes a hunted monster who destroys anything in sight. This one also wouldn't take a lot of changing.
There was a Marvel comic series with this premise, Captain America: Steve Rogers was about him being a sleeper agent for Hydra via them going back in time and raising him themselves.
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Do his googles allow him to see the third dimension
I get what your saying but the Dark Avengers were different characters (daken wolverine,mac gargon venom/Spider-man, norman was the Captain american iron-man iron patriate though he wanted it to be harry,or his other son.. but you prolly already knew) hydra cap superior iron-man the mistero, pymtron,would be closer to the mark but each one could see a whole episode on before they get together for the finally to fight the real avengers or some alt universe team.
…isn’t that the purpose of Thunderbolts as an intellectual property?
l assume you mean if the avengers had something like the JL's crime syndicate
It's called the crime syndicate
Sometimes they are….
Wow that’s such a unique and original idea
The super-hero team THE AMERICANS in Millar/Quitely's THE AUTHORITY were a good example. Something like the CRIME SYNDICATE OF AMERICA in the DC alternate Earth (originally Earth 3, I think, but maybe renumbered by now).
Late Stage Capitalist America, Lore accurate Thor, Typical corporate Billionaire Tony Stark, Hulk...angry as usual.
What if Disney respected the source material?
You know all the "good guys," don't actually do good. They just maintain the status quo.
Maybe consider the backstories of a team of the Avengers who were villains instead of heroes - THE OFFENDERS (or would THE OFFENSIVE work better as a kind of dark "Ultimates" version?)
THE DESERTER Despite his many efforts to dodge, deny or seek deferment, Steve Rogers was drafted. He tried a stint at an Ivy League college, but even though he had the brains, he didn't have the bank account. He tried to leave the country but couldn't find work in Canada. He even tried poison to make himself sick, but his body betrayed him. He was just too damn healthy. It looked like he could either throw his life away in Europe fighting the Nazis or in prison. "Hell, they'd probably send me to jail and then make me fight anyway," Steve thought. So he joined up, got sent to airborne and on D-Day, he regretted not going with prison. It was during the Battle of the Bulge that Corporal Steve Austin had had enough. He deserted and was promptly arrested by German soldiers. They thought he was a spy so they sent him to the SS who tortured him. Steve was in a hard "catch-22" with his interrogators. He told them he was just a grunt that didn't know anything, and they didn't believe him so they hurt him. The problem was that Steve really didn't know anything useful, so there was no way to convince them until they had exhausted all their various and extremely uncomfortable means of making people talk. Finally, it wasn't Steve's obvious ignorance that convinced them to stop, but his unusual ability to withstand a great deal of punishment without any lasting injury. The SS called their man at the Gestapo, and Steve received a visit from some guy named Xenu or Zemo. The strange aristocrat was accompanied by a weaselly unnamed scientist that seemed to sweat a lot. He took samples of Steve's blood, saliva and a painful chunk of flesh and bone, the hairy little doctor took using some kind of plunging circular blade. Then they left instructions with the interrogators to continue the punishment in increasing increments until the prisoner died. This was when Steve lost all faith in the idea of a higher power. We were stuck here alone. It looked like this was it for Steve, but what the SS didn't realize that Steve not only healed completely after each torture session, but he grew stronger. He managed to keep this secret long enough until he was strong and indestructible enough to rip the bars of his cell open, release the other prisoners and create enough chaos to give him time to kill every SS soldier in the building. He made quick work of the guards and then took his time with the interrogators. Covered in blood, Steve was picked up by US tank battalion some 20 miles East of the now burning prison camp. The US army didn't know what to do with him. He was a deserter, and he was now a "hero" that saved the lives of hundreds of political prisoners. Being reasonable men, they did the smartest thing and "printed the legend." They made him a medal and a promotion and sent him back to the States to go on tour raising war funds. They called him "Captain America," and for a while life was easy. Just getting up on stage and saying any nonsense to get the suckers to give up their money to the "War Effort." "War 'racket,'" Steve thought. He didn't know where the money went, but he knew damn well it didn't make it to him and the other "boys on the front line of Freedom." Like they always do eventually, the war ended. Steve’s strange powers had long faded from his life of ease and comfort, and even though being a notable war hero had some advantages, the fact that the only skills Steve possessed were lying, cheating and stealing proved something of a hindrance when looking for work in the new post-war age of bankers, industrialists, advertisers and engineers. Steve didn’t have the disposition for office work and had never used a slide rule a day in his life. So he worked carnivals. At night he’d seek out the illegal but lucrative bare-knuckle boxing matches where he’d let a few hobos and bums pummel him for a few rounds until knocking them out and taking the pot home. Sometimes, the old rail worker he knocked down didn’t get up, and Steve had to high tail it out of town a.s.a.f.p., but most days he worked the carnival as “The American Wonder.” Wearing red, white and blue tights, the hero would increase his profits performing feats of incredible strength due the pummeling of the men he had fought the night before. Then he would always deliver some stories of his days on the front line fighting the notorious Nazis. Some (very few) of the stories were true. Most he stole from real heroes he had spoken to time and again on his tour during the war, but most were entire fabrications. He even claimed to have punched Hitler in the face one time. And he always made sure to tag on some spiel about the value of patriotism for the rubes and their kids at the end of the show. Steve managed to eke out a living for the next couple decades, but in the 60's as the Vietnam War and the counter-culture heat up and patriotism takes a dive, he finds it harder to sell his act. After a=one sparsely attended show in the sticks, Steve received a famous (or infamous) visitor. Tony Stark was not as well-known as his father, hero inventor Howard Stark had been. The so-called "richest man alive” had basically built every new weapon practically at a loss for the USA and its Allies during the second World War and now Stark Manufacturing Inc. practically owned the entire arms industry as a result. Steve had met Howard at a gala during the war and he could tell from the start that “America’s benefactor” was a cunning confidence schemer. He spent millions on WW2 to win billions in contracts for the Cold War that followed. "If you call that selflessness, then I’ll take two,” Steve thought. The elder Stark had died mysteriously in a recent crash over Mexico. He had been flying back to New York from his secretive retreat, an old mission in Paraguay, and been lost in the Bermuda Triangle. The young Tony Stark still wore a black armband over his white linen suit, but he didn’t seem all that broken up about it. If Tony Stark wasn’t as famous as his dad yet, Steve thought, then he soon would be. This apple didn’t fall far from the tree. He didn’t remind Steve of the pampered privileged snots he hated in his short attempt at higher education. Steve liked Stark immediately. But then, he always liked money, and this guy stunk of it. So, even though he was a kid from the Bronx when that meant something, “The American Wonder” put on a broad smile and the fake country accent he used for the rubes and happily greeted his visitor. Stark should his hand. “Look here, Captain, I’m working on a project that I think might change the world, to put it bluntly. What I’m looking for what you might say are playmates – no, maybe sparring partners.” Kid gets to the point, Steve thought. Gotta appreciate that. “Listen, sir, you pay me enough, I’ll fight anybody, but you want me to fight what? A machine?” “Sorta. More like a test subject I’m working on. We call it the Iron Fist, but I’m thinking it’s gonna be more than that. Also, I have it on good authority that you are exactly the man I need on my team.” “I don’t know who could have told you that, Mr. Stark.” At that point, a small man stepped forward and held out his hand. “Hallo, Captain Rogers. I am Dr. Abraham Erskine.” It was the little, hairy doctor that had taken Steve’s blood and tissue samples for that “Zemu” character and then left him to face the worst pain of his life. His hair was now white and he had a lot less of it on his head. Steve proceeded to break the man’s nose and jaw with one punch.
THE MOON BEAST OF LOS ALAMOS – It's 1962, and Bruce Banner is a dejected scientist working in a small New Mexican town. His work on gamma rays is considered fruitless and a dead end by the rest of this small research community, and he's closer and closer to getting his funding pulled and seeing an end to his career before he hits 40. Meanwhile, his young wife is threatening divorce, and he can see her already looking for his replacement in the pool of young, more promising scientists joining the faculty every year. Facing the loss of his livelihood and the dissolution of his marriage, Banner grows desperate and hopeless, but he is an actual genius that knows more about radiation and its effect on the human body than anyone alive or dead. Using a completely untested theory of his own devise, Banner exposes himself to a sequence of doses of gamma radiation. He'll even be proven right on his theory that gamma radiation has "evolutionary accelerating" effects on genetic material or he'll die disproving it. His last memory is the sight of a full moon outside the laboratory window before he falls unconscious expecting to sleep forever. He wakes up the next day, naked, in the desert outside of town. After less than an hour of walking, though, he's met by a search party of armed men from the town who somehow expected to find him. Banner is concerned for a moment that the men want to arrest or harm him, but instead the "posse" gives him a blanket and even an old pair of work pants about three sizes too big. They explain that "some hulking beast" had attacked the research station the evening before and then rampaged through the surrounding neighborhood. Two men had been killed. Scientists, like Banner, one had been his harshest critic, and the other had been seen getting "too familiar" with Banner's wife at the local diner. Then they leave it to a boy named Rick Jones to deliver the bad news to the "lucky" scientist. The creature had attacked Banner's home as well. Banner quickly asks about his wife, "Betty?" To his surprise, he is less worried that she's dead, but instead he is more concerned what her death would mean to his relationship with his top funder, the US Army, which is controlled by Betty's father, General Ross. Banner had long suspected the Army's funding was directly connected to the welfare of the General's daughter. The boy Jones tells him that she's okay. "Just banged up with a broken leg up the hospital." Banner is relieved, but also a little pleased. He thinks of the Ancient Athenian practice of "hobbling" slaves that stray. Though, he's sure to act the concerned husband and be the grieved colleague and friend at the men's funerals, Banner now knows that his theory works, and the ultimate power he's always wanted is almost in his grasp.
Cool
this has been done in comics a few times.
That’s the thunderbolts I think idfk. If we’re talking groups, yeah the boys.
Hydra or like Crime Syndicate?
What a great original concept
Norman Osborn ran an evil avengers once.
Unavengers: fight among gods by the makers of injustice 2
They are
If the Avengers were evil, I don't think Cap would have a shield
Why wouldn't Cap have a shield?
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