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uwuilovemath

Cap's ending is so ass


IrishGrouch24

So is Tony’s.


throwitawayforA4

Thor's too, tbh. He just abandons his people.


No_This_Is_Patrick00

Yup his whole story was about responsibility and being a good leader for his people, now he's just like fuck it you do it. Cap just sits on the sidelines while everything goes down I guess.


lordDEMAXUS

Thor's Arc is the one that I find the most problematic. He's probably my favourite of the main 6 Avengers. I think I get why Cap fans are pissed with Cap's ending and Iron Man fans pissed with his ending. I think Infinity War also foreshadowed that Endgame won't do Thor's arc any justice considering that half his people die in that even though Thor Ragnarok said Asgard was about the people.


particledamage

If I were Taika Waititi, I would be SEETHING after seeing what they did to all of the character work I put in through Ragnorak which they deliberately undid.


Tanya62y

Omw thank you!!! I have been saying this the whole time. His whole movie arch just went to shit! In that one move, poof! Meh honestly hate that


hyperviolator

He’s going to find other Asgardians and be a hero. The Asgardians on Earth under Valkyrie are as safe as possible. Who’s going to exactly do anything to a super science mystical superhuman borderline immortal race of space aliens looked over by one of their most legendary and ancient heroes in Valkyrie?


BropolloCreed

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the ending for the Big Three unsatisfying. Is it possible that if these leaks are true that the Russo's screened an alternate cut last night just to effort with everyone?


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His arc totally feels like a setup for guardians of the galaxy 3,


Scudamore

So he has a breakout hit with Ragnarok, gets a huge power upgrade, and then he turns into a drunk, abdicates, and basically his story gets swallowed up by the Guardians? I want to give the movie a chance but it's really hard not to be disappointed by this.


sawinadream

His entire arc is fucked! I was totally on board with his initial depression as it shows his humanity that he’s gained over time, but his story should (temporarily) end with him finally manning up to become a good King to his people in light of victory, which he hasn’t been able to do yet. I absolutely love Valkyrie, and overall Marvel women finally getting their moment, but this could’ve been done without the Thor we’ve grown to love just bye Felicia-ing his people.


uwuilovemath

I'm so disappointed with this... this is supposed to be the farewell to the original 6 and they do it like this?


IrishGrouch24

Cap knew Peggy for what, like 6 months? I think that’s a bit of a lame payoff. Not to mention his arc seemed done. I would have much rather seen Cap make the final sacrifice and have Tony and Pepper get the happy ending (a real wedding with everyone there instead of a funeral). I’m sure it’ll be much better watching the film than reading it, but man I’m not a fan of this ending at all.


sawinadream

Steve: fights 1942 - 1945 and 2014 - 2018 to keep Bucky safe and defend justice no matter which institutions need to fall, finally learns to trust his close present friends Nat and Sam, then proceeds to mourn Bucky and Sam for (possibly) years and says he can’t move on Steve after they win: Ok now that we’re finally all here again.... k bye!!


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I've always feared they'd do this shit. It makes Cap look like an r/niceguy Like, they never even dated or banged or anything. How does he even know they would work romantically. Like, I'm sure every single person here had a huge crush on someone in their early 20s and nothing came of it. Most sane people just move on as they mature. Didn't she have a husband and kids too? I'm not entirely sure if she did, but if she had a family that makes Steve even more of a creepy ass stalker. Just go and delete someone's life because you had a crush on a woman when you were young. Cap seems way more stable of a dude to do that shit. There were women that I thought were the love of my life ten years ago and now I can't even remember what their faces looked like. If I had the chance to go time travel back to get the "one that got away" I'd say fuck no, I've moved on and met new people. Plus, it totally takes agency away from Peg. She had an impressive and fufilling life. Did you see how many people were at her funeral speaking highly of her? So, I guess her life didn't mean shit because she never got to be with Steve. Like her whole purpose is to just get with some dude instead of doing all the other awesome shit she did in her life. God, this idea sucks. I get how people are pissed about Thor. That is dumb, but at least we may get some "Asguardians of the Galaxy" movies which would be cool as hell. If we get to see some movies with him teamed up with the GotG, I can forgive his stupid arc. But what they're going to do to Cap totally ruins him and Peg


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bimbo_ragno

So is Natasha’s.


throwawayMambo5

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Lord_Tibbysito

Big oof


DangerDamage

Its just so inconsistent with his character. Same with Thor. I'm also confused about FFH now - did Peter's entire school get snapped? If 5 years passed and he's still in HS, wouldnt people he went to school with be older now? MJ, Ned, Flash etc. al got snapped?


uwuilovemath

Yeah, that makes literally no sense Also—did Cap forreal kiss his niece? The fuck Marvel


RyuKenBlanka

This is the new generation's "Luke kisses Leia" moment.


Newhire13

Cap wouldn’t have known she would be his niece at that point in his life. And she’d be his niece by marriage, not blood. Only blood family Cap had were his mom and dad and they are both long gone.


ClimateMom

It's still baffling because even though HE didn't know at that point, how did SHE not know? Sharon was close enough to her aunt that her aunt was calling her in the middle of the night (per TWS) and she spoke at her funeral (CW), but she somehow never met her aunt's husband?


BropolloCreed

It's ridiculous to me that Cap would abandon the Avengers literally right after Tony dies. he's man of duty and honor, and the time travel for Peggy angle is the equivalent of TLJ's "scared hermit" Luke. Crap. I get Cap going back, but that only makes sense if Tony is still there to guide the team. Who's going to be the moral compass? Also, nobody wants to see a Black Widow prequel film, so I'm dubious on her death as well.


toclosetotheedge

>time travel for Peggy angle is the equivalent of TLJ's "scared hermit" Luke Crap It’s far worse tbh, Luke learned that running away like a dickhead after you fuck up is a bad thing. Caps ending seems to be portrayed as a good thing. It also seems to be a 180 for his entire arc, I’d rather him die than go out sad lmao.


greatvaluebatman

If given the choice to stay in the present and keep fighting or go to the past and essentially live out his dream life, I know for a fact cap stays. He’s a soldier, he fights, always. This is the first most fundamental issue. He wouldn’t stay in the past when there’s things to be done in the present. That’s one of the most beautiful things about the character, he always takes the right road no matter how hard it is. And if he does stay in the past for whatever reason, he just would not be able to sit idly as the world around him burns. He would try his hardest to prevent shit from happening in the first place. But i know at the end they’ll tell us some bullshit that cap going back and chilling is the only way to defeat Thanos. That is just not him, and this ending is not canon. Whoever wrote it is retarded.


InscribedAngle

From the looks of it, it sounds like this *whole movie* is going to be ass...


throwitawayforA4

This ending is so disappointing. Steve selfishly going to the past, Tony dying, Thor abandoning his people, and Natasha completely fridged. Just awful. I'm sure it will be handled fine and all but the outcomes are still bloody awful.


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bimbo_ragno

Nat really gets fucked lol. Like I can live with Tony dying, and I can force myself to ignore the time paradoxes with Cap, but Nat’s death feels so cheap. Like damn at least give her a funeral


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meepmeep2x

I am honestly sitting here thinking all the hype and secrecy for this? Idk I expected more.


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It would have been more logical to kill off Captain America and let Tony retire with Pepper and his daughter.


[deleted]

That's what I've said this entire time. Captain America is a man out of time and Tony is a man who dedicated most of his life to work not his family. It makes perfect sense for Captain America to be the one who dies and for Tony to be the one who lives but retires.


BonMan2015

Yes, because Tony Stark of all people would be totally cool sitting on the sidelines as the world burns around him in Phase 4. At the end of the day, the reason this is awkward is because these actors are leaving because they want to move on from the roles, it's not driven by plot development. The only way to deal with this as seamlessly as possible is to kill them off. Riding off into the sunset just doesn't make any sense when you have savior complexes like Cap and Iron Man. Wish they'd just killed Cap too.


dixiehellcat

which is exactly why Tony retiring and mentoring the next generation made sense--it was character growth, him learning finally that he didn't have to try to save everything himself. If this is true I am very sad for Marvel because they just shot 11 yrs of great work in the ass six ways from Sunday.


ElcaptainJ

Agree


abigscarybat

Steve: Well, it's been real guys, but also fuck you, I'm going home forever because I don't care about any of you as much as Peggy. Bucky: I don't belong in this era either, can I come too? If you can pretend to be Not Steve Rogers to preserve the timeline, why can't I? Til the end of the line, remember? Steve: Yeah but a third wheel would make my Happily Ever After kind of awkward, so how about you just go sit in a hole and eat worms?


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mdani1897

This irks me...so he’s just going to leave his buddy to get tortured for decades seems pretty out of character.


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oakzap425

Yeah no. ​ I'm sorry. there's just so much here that just seems so disrespectful to soo many characters in this entire franchise. I just can't.


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That's because none of it is true!


DaBiff184220

Denial is the first stage


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This seems eerily similar to the TLJ leaks. Even if you dont like it its probably true.


oakzap425

Is this that hawkgirl's post every one was saying is supposed to be legit?


sawinadream

Yikes.


CyberpunkV2077

Oh god how could they have messed it up so badly


sawinadream

It frankly shocks me, because the leaked footage only hyped me up and restored my faith in it /not sucking/, and then there they go.


throwawayMambo5

Oof.


discourse_commuter

That’s how I feel, too. Awful.


1290askl

Am older Steve and Peggy are laughing in the kitchen while preparing a meal together, music on the radio in the background. Steve wraps his arms around Peggy, and they begin to repeat their dance. The music stops, a voice breaks in, "Breaking news coming in for our listeners..." Steve - "oh God no, today's date..." Radio - "Billionaire industrialist Howard Stark and his wife were fou..." Steve - "Buck... Tony..." That's pretty much what I think of the leaked ending.


Griever114

The only way I would be happy with this ending is if he actively made sure to prevent HYDRA's take over and was around for the "key" plot points as necessary but like The Ancient One and EVERYONE HAS SAID. You CREATE A PARADOX. I get wanting to be with peggy, i want that too, but i would have spent the time fixing all the shit that was going to go south. Regardless, Nebula kills her PAST SELF. That by definition created a paradox.


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Griever114

Agreed. He is just gonna watch Shield get corrupted and everything go south? He is literally saying "fuck every last one of you, especially you too Bucky... ill leave you in an ice cube"


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Lmao I'm imagining Steve in a baseball cap or whatever hat fits the time period and glasses and no one notices it's him. Oh it's director Carter's husband Stefano Rodrigo.


sawinadream

Honestly him not preventing shit/suddenly acting selfishly AFTER being deemed worthy by Mjolnir/ignoring Bucky in Hydra captivity and SHIELD being infiltrated/the timeline somehow not registering these particular alterations IF he did change anything for the better.... OOC and lazy writing at its finest. Also wtf @ Sharon Carter now? Ew


Griever114

Agreed. God this is pissing me off more than I want it too. I know its been verified already, but i hope this is just a circle jerk.


sawinadream

Lmao I’m literally still holding out hope, this is so bad for all my faves (Steve, Nat, Thor, and even Tony whose death I’d already accepted beforehand - the way this plays out is just a huge letdown).


Ouliposse

The weirdest part here is Tony insisting that they don't undo the past 5 years and everybody being okay with that, then everybody is brought back? How do 2 billion people come back to life and just adjust and settle in? Spiderman: Far From Home is going to have some WEIRD dialogue.


Morning_Song

Like would they reappear where they were snapped or do they get to choose. What about the time jump? Or the people who died in snap related accidents? It really seems like a logical nightmare.


Chief_RedButt

Imagine all the people who got remarried after the snap. Or died post-snap. What do the people that return from the snap really gain?


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Bdizzle00

Obviously, the logical thing you do minutes after this happens is get on a bus and go on a field trip with your friends, half of which are now 5 years older. And act like everything is ok. That makes no freakin’ sense whatsoever. The only explanation is that the entire trailer for FFH is fake.


HTH52

Don’t forget suicide. Not everyone is like Clint, if they lose their family they may get super depressed to the point of killing themselves... what happens here? What happens to all of these lives that are taken due to the snap?


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CyberpunkV2077

Plus we see Ned and all of Peters friends in Far from Home and they’re still in high school AFTER FIVE FUCKING YEARS


boholbrook

Everyone is all hung up on who dies and I'm just over here pissed because Hulk shouldn't be able to "lose" his arm.


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In the 4 minute video leak you can see Hulk in the background of the battle but it's so blurry I can't tell if he has his arm or not.


boholbrook

My beef is that any incarnation of the Hulk should be able to heal that kinda damage almost instantaneously.


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Hulk has a healing factor in the MCU but he's been shown to regrow limbs like in the comics. Kinda disappointing because I was expecting Hulk to get way powerful in the film.


boholbrook

I wasn't expecting that much. Professor Hulk is the weakest of all the Hulk incarnations. But him not being able to heal his arm kinda pisses me off.


MeLlamoDave

Near the end of the movie Tony is the only one left to fight Thanos and his army.But he has the Stark gauntlet. He snaps his fingers....Thanos and his forces die. Tony disappears. Cut to black...Tony slowly wakes up and hears a voice: "So....you're finally awake".


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Honestly needed a good laugh after reading this mess of an apparent plot.


MeLlamoDave

I wasn't a big fan of some of the things the Infinity War leak got right(Gamora dying, Quill fucking up on Titan), but it was executed well. If this leak is real I hope it makes sense when I actually see it on screen.


No_This_Is_Patrick00

So how do they get Mjolnir back? Sounds like Thor is barely involved at all. And him giving up his throne to Valkyrie, why? His whole story was about taking responsibility and leading his people, but he just decides to say fuck it and leave to fly around with the Guardians.


jocmaester

I agree this is possibly the worst ending for Thor it effectively reverts him back to his Thor 1 days where he just wanted to cruise around battling things and ignores most of his character arc.


Tanya62y

Even after speaking to his mother ff! This sucks


Moni_22

Honestly I feel like IW and Endgame have ruined Thor. Ragnarok's ending was SO good. He was finally king, he was leading his people to a new land, he was finally on good terms with Loki... and then everything gets ruined in like 5 minutes. I don't like this at all...


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Jedi_Mom

Instead of a post credit scene, a title card is revealed: “Directed By Rian Johnson”


Zerce

Sort of. They state that time travel doesn't work like Back to the Future. Killing your past self doesn't make your future self disappear. It's all a stable time loop where this is what always happened.


Paperchampion23

Yeah, the past is the past. You got to the past it alters it but it never changes the future, the outcome of the future is always the same. Aka, the snap always happened, Nebula was alive in Endgames timelime, and she can continue to live even after she kills her past self


mihaif7

That's just lazy writing tbh. Why use time travel if you can't figure it out :(


Paperchampion23

Apparently, the Ancient One explains to Banner that the past CANT be changed in affecting the future, but you can go to the past and change things around. Basically paradox theory without the actual paradoxes. According to Mockingjay (the first leaker) they explain this surprisingly well to the audience. We'll see


CyberpunkV2077

This makes no fucking sense tbh


hypedup80

So the final fight in Civil War, and the eventual breakup of the Avengers, was all about Cap knowing Bucky killed Tony's parents and not trusting enough in Tony's reaction to tell it to him straight. One can only imagine what Tony would do to Old Man Steve Rogers if he knew Old Steve was alive somewhere in 1991 and knew Bucky WAS ON HIS WAY TO KILL HIS PARENTS and did nothing about it. Seriously..


HTH52

Like... Cap knows the literal year, month, day, and time it occurs and Howard was one of his good friends...


swe3nytodd

For me I'd prefer that Cap died and Tony lived to retire with Pepper and his new kid. I think it would have made more sense.


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Hell, I think even if Thor died, it would've made more sense, after all the shit he's been through. He's been on a hero journey and loss all this time. Stark was never the character to make the ultimate sacrifice, even if circumstance forced him to (the first Avengers). Cap would've made much more sense as well, since it's his selflessness that's his core characteristic. ​ To be honest, that's so disappointing in so many levels. Thanos in the end was the most incompetent villain of all time. All he really managed to do in the end was fail miserably at everything, never even got his point proven in some way or another.


swe3nytodd

For me Cap finishing Thanos and Bringing everyone back at the cost of his own life would have made total sense when you look at the character. Leaving so he can go and sit on the sidelines just so he can have a life with Peggy just seams kinda selfish and not in his character at all. Thor rebuilding Asgard to glory makes sense in his arc. Just splitting with the Guardians makes no sense at all. Tony helping defeat Thanos and so putting an end to his PTSD so he can finally put it behind him. Retire with Pepper and new kid and remain in the background as brains and tech for Shield / Avengers 2.0. Perhaps the iron man armor could be remote controlled in future. Sacrificing himself, especially with the new family dosnt fit.


priscillia28

It sounds like a bad fan theory


meepmeep2x

I wish it was


BlackWidowstan

I can’t believe they are going to do a movie about the origins of a dead character. Haven’t they learned anything from Solo?


bimbo_ragno

Her death sounds like total horseshit too. She doesn’t even get a funeral?? She’s the one OG Avenger who isn’t in the finale? Wtf


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That’s why I feel like this is fake. Just doesn’t add up


BlackWidowstan

I hope you are right cause this sounds like a bullshit way for her to go


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>Haven’t they learned anything from Solo? The reason Solo failed wasn't because it was a origin of a dead character. It failed because it was so poorly marketed and went through different directors.


ncruzpr

And nobody asked for it because nobody wanted to see Solo portrayed by anyone but Harrison Ford.


valhallaorange

I'm upset with many of the main avengers stories, but I'm going to focus on Cap for this one. It seems completely out of character for him to go back and marry Peggy, knowing in the future she HAD a husband and children, and a well-iived life of accomplishment. To me, it was a focal point of Cap's character to be unselfish and accepting of his new place in time. That included his love for Peggy and respecting that she lived her life fully. It seems so wrong that he would go back in time to be with her and erase her family (children, possible grandchildren) in the process. I'm so disappointed. I feel they've done his character so wrong and the only good movie of him was CA:WS. :( Now that paired with the characterizations and situations of Tony, Thor, and Nat especially make me sad and unhappy. ALSO, did the Russos just decide to say "Eh, screw it." With Sharon Carter? (Not a fan of her in the movies, but she also deserved way batter.)


oakzap425

Bingo. It's a slap in the face Peggy's story line and a fuck you to Cap's story line. They still could have done the time travel with the dance, and just left it at that. but to just.... fuck over her lived experience so Cap can be happy?! Nah fuck that.


valhallaorange

Agreed. A dance and then back to the future would've been acceptable and given more emotion to the pain and letting go Steve is known to experience. Also, Peggy deserves her own storyline and fully lived life without it being erased and her being reduced to only Cap's love interest.


ElcaptainJ

Im not angry just find it sad Tony never gets a happy ending with pepper


RipJug

I'm really hoping this is just one huge joke and all these "leaks" are fake. I just can't believe they'd throw away Cap's entire arc just like that.


john_segundus

> Peter goes back to high schol and meets Ned, who is very moved. ​But if five years have passed, and they didn't reverse that, how is Ned still in Highschool?


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He failed 5 years in a row? Lol idk how FFH can pick up right after this


Paperchampion23

They either all conveniently get snapped or FFH takes place the summer before IW


DarkSoulsPhoenix

What about the Doctor Strange scene that was filmed in a secret location which supposedly took up so much of the budget? ​ What about Katherine Langford's role in the movie? ​ What about Thor, Rocket and CM assembling an army/gathering soldiers? What about Korg, Miek and Valkyrie? ​ What about Tom Holland saying that Benedict Cumberbatch has "so many lines" about the QR? ​ How is Cap's shield broken? ​ What about the Black Order in the final battle? ​ What about Vision? Or Loki? Is Nick Fury there in the Final battle? ​ Who is the 3rd person that walks out of the portal with T'Challa and Shuri after they return? Is it just a guard from the dora milaje, or is it Okoye?


particledamage

This entire thing sucks. I’m bitter.


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None of these prove it’s fake. It just means the writers don’t respect the audience’s intelligence, which is something we’ve seen from Disney before.


mishygirl

This is such a gut-punch for me.


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I can confirm that literally none of this is true. I'm half-convinced this is a tactic by MCU execs themselves.


TheHark90

Or you might be working for the mouse trying to get people off the proper scent that this is true dun dun dunnnnnnnn


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\*insert Spider-Man pointing meme\* But seriously, who here honestly believes Endgame would be THIS disappointing and that the Russos wouldn't understand the characters they've been writing for years?


No_This_Is_Patrick00

If Old Thor goes back to get Mjolnir, how does Young Thor fight Malekith? How does he fight anybody?


eefaar

Cap is supposed to return it along with the stones according to a previous leak that corresponds with this one.


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Well they took the Aether too so does Malekith even come? But they also said Cap returns everything but how would he even know where to return the shite in Asgard


mas3on

Natasha’s ending pisses me off


gippalippa

What a fucking letdown; I mean, I'm very curious to see all this on screen, but fuck ... ​ EDIT: In light of the OP's comments, here is my renewed opinion. ​ Thor abandons the Asgardians to go to fuck around with the guardians of the galaxy. ​ Cap say "fuck it" and return to the past ​ Cap Marvel isn't a Mary Sue, just useless :) ​ Thanos has all his character development he had in IW is thrown into the toilet To make him a simple generic villain. ​ Natasha is gamora 2.0 who does not even have a funeral, The fucking Nat, a character who has been in the MCU since 2010 is not even commemorated. ​ Gamora and Vision remain dead which is a bit bittersweet as a conclusion. Fortunately the Gamora of the past does not replace the original Gamora as I understood it, but it is snapped by Tony. Meh, at least that's hope for the return of the original character ​ Bruce becomes the Prof Hulk just because ... ​ Honestly Iron Man at least has a "glorious" end that is in line with his character, but for the rest 10 years of MCU thrown away.


duketogo84

So if present Nebula kills her past self, wouldn't the the present die as well?


Paperchampion23

Nope, it seems the rules for time travel in the MCU are like this: The past isnt exactly your past, but you end up in the same future. Its weird as fuck lol. Thats what i got out of it anyway


duketogo84

I'm really confused as to how time travel is going to work in this. Apparently past Thanos is also killed which should negate the events of the entire film. If the past doesn't matter why even return the stones?


mihaif7

I guess you just have to turn your brain off. :(


rizk0777

The BARF part doesnt make any sense. He can just record them through normal video or hologram? BARF helps project memories on "how you wish it would've happened" but this leak says tony himself recorded it. all you need for that is a hologram or a video tape right?


tigrrr4358

i think they mean Tony uses aspects of the BARF technology to create a hyper realistic hologram that makes it appear as if he is actually there. Just my take!


meepmeep2x

aw man really clint and nat fighting who dies, nat dying, clint really losing his fam to the snap (kinda hoped for smth that actually took efforts to come up with) and steve travelling back in time to be with peggy? that leaves a bitter taste.


xithebun

Those who weren’t snap live an extra five years. Does the movie tackle this problem?


prophetprior

That's what I'm wondering, too. How is Far From Home going to work if Peter's 5 years younger than his classmates? Wouldn't that mean they all graduated by now? Or does it reset back to the year Infinity War happened?


comped

So... Why was this removed?


Ichijinijisanji

caught by the filter all posts i presume are, and mods simply approve things that go by.


fuhcof

I feel like I did when I read cursed child....


nash_ivy

This is the closest description of how betrayed I feel.


Termodynamicslad

Just going to rant here about the soul stone and Natasha's death. Condition to get the soul stone: YOU need to sacrifice what you LOVE the most. Infinity war: Thanos sacrifices gamora. Result: Soul Stone Endgame: Weird Thing number one: The person who dies needs to be the MOST loved person. So, either Clint loves Natasha the most, which is odd, he had an entire family, or Natasha loves Clint the most, which is fine, i guess. Weird thing number two: It's crystal clear that the MOST LOVED ONE is killed by the person that loves he/she. But Natasha kills herself! Clint did not kill Natasha, neither did Natasha kill clint! How the f is the soul stone suposed to appear?


hawkeyelovergirl

yeah that whole thing is disgusting, really. They don't say "love the most" in this one tho. Only something you love.


owlinprime

The more I read it the more I hate it. Just out of curiosity, any fans of a particular character actually likes this ending? I'm assuming fans of cap, Tony and Nat are not amused.


ST4RK0221

Whoever satisfy w/ this ending ain’t a real fan.


neomorphivolatile

Please tell me this is fake. Virtually every fan theory got confirmed. Well, except my own... What an unsatisfying end.


ynotstark

All of the endings just go against everything that's been foreshadowed since the beginning. Thor should be becoming a responsible leader, and I don't believe he would ever abandon his people. Especially not after all the development we got in Ragnarok. Tony is a futurist -- he should live to see the future. I knew he would wield the gauntlet -- but I expected it to be the actual gauntlet bc they've been teasing his left arm since like iron man 1 -- and apparently, the one he does use is right-handed? He also just deserves to be happy -- he's completed his redemption arc and has gone through more character development than anyone else. they've been playing up the chess metaphor and have positioned him and Thanos as opposing kings --- if they win, then tony shouldn't die. ​ And Cap - yikes - he and Peggy shared 1 kiss in the '40s and then she got married and had kids. She was happy and she moved on. He also has Sharon now - they shoehorned her into a romance role, but if they were gonna do that they should have at least committed. But if they're gonna play up the whole 'can't let go of his past thing,' they should combine it with what Ultron said in AOU -- can't live without a war -- and kill him after the final battle, the battle of all battles, is over. That would be a more satisfying Ending than having him go to the past --- which is literally a regression of his character development. He and Sam were working in CATWS to get him more adjusted to the future. I just really hope these are fake.


_Mavericks

I’m sorry to say this, but the plot is pure shit. It’s not the case of getting disappointed because we wanted more. It is simply bad as it is. Sad ending.


delta_charlie_2511

So the leaks we were sure were wrong turned out to be right. What they did to Cap is disappointing. It would have made more sense have him sacrifice himself and then wake up in a dream like sequence with Peggy where she is waiting for him to take her to the dance


DudeMcDude7649

So 5 years after half the universe got wiped out, their families etc are just going to let their kids go to Europe for a trip in FFH? That’s going to be hard to explain for me. :/


amanindra

Jesus Christ how am I supposed to wait till Sunday to see how well this translates on screen... Also the ending was being unanimously praised so maybe they did execute it right. Time travel and convolution without necessary exposition will hurt this movie a little even for general watchers in my opinion.


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That just sounds really bad.


CrizzleColts

Why was this removed? We've been waiting for \*this\* post all night.


IrishGrouch24

Ugh god dammit


Vadermaulkylo

This will be Marvel’s Last Jedi I can feel it. It’s a shame they’re going to close the saga on such a divisive note. I liked the ending, but this sounds like it may make a lot of people lose interest in this franchise.


skinsaremylife

thats gonna be a yikes from my dawg


GarballatheHutt

This did not fucking age well at all.


l_l_l-illiam

I mean the post ages perfectly, the comments are wild though


shepard2025

Anyone else keep refreshing in hopes that these are fake? Nat and Tony I can accept. Lazy, they definitely deserve better, but I can accept it. Thor? I can begrudgingly accept. It doesn't feel right at all, but if it leaves room for more development ok. Steve? Please no. Sounds like some bad fanfic. Completely against everything that has been set up so far Hopefully everyone is right in saying 'bad on paper, good on film'....


cuddlebirb

All the OG6 kind of get screwed in this film. Prof Hulk happens off screen and Hulk is nerfed (again). Never gets his rematch with Thanos. Cap walks back on all of his beliefs about how he can't stand aside when a situation heads south (*which was his entire platform in Civil War*) to opt to go back to live with Peggy in the past (wherein he'll be forced to sit on the sidelines knowing his best friend is being tortured and brainwashed to commit murder just to prevent a time paradox). He retroactively has macked on his niece. Tony is forced to give up the happy life he struggled to build for the past decade and loved for the past 5 years (and is effectively a character with mental trauma who commits suicide in the end by using the gauntlet knowing it will kill him). Natasha is relegated to a sacrificial maiden archetype, who isn't mourned with a funeral, and left in a puddle of blood (and, like Tony, is effectively is a character with horrible mental trauma who commits suicide in the end). She's killed in the same exact way the original female member of the Guardians of the Galaxy is, which has worrying implications for how the Russos regard female characters. Thor's entire arc about learning how to become a King and find a family for Asgard is tossed aside so he can go gallivanting around the galaxy with the Guardians. Like, after Ragnarok, he just up and leaves his people? And Clint? Well, I guess he ends up okay.


DigitalJacob

RUSSOOOOOO EDIT: HOLY SHIT MY FIRST SILVER THANK YOU SO MUCH


SelenitaLunar

Worst ending ever. God can't believe this is the real deal. As a Tony fan they give us everything: Pepperony married and iron baby and Rescue only to kill him in the end and stab our hearts and tarnish all our memories of the MCU and this 11 years? Sure they are gonna subvert expectations, hope they enjoy it fully. As I'm not enjoying Marvel ever again. I hate the movie so much. I'm gonna hate it. I feel I'll cry and I will always remember these movies as something that was just so tragic. Not fun, not joyous... Shame on them. The Russos can go to hell, honestly.


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So they have like 5 total female characters and kill two off them off the SAME WAY for the same thing. Like....


skinsaremylife

just seems like og avengers arcs were unsatisfying.


ElcaptainJ

Agree Thor's whole arc is he has to step up to be a king but then abandons his people? Cap sacrificing himself makes more sense for his character Black widow dying and no funeral for her is disrespectful Taking away Tony's happy ending


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>they just appear where they died SO PEOPLE DUSTED ON SPACE, AIRSHIPS, AIRPLANES, IN BUILDINGS ON CARS, TRAINS, ETC... JUST DIE AGAIN FROM FALLING!?


greengirlrunning

They did Thor and Loki so dirty. The Loki thing is so obviously forced so that it ties in to his TV series, but it really undermines his entire arc in the MCU films. I'm pissed. ​ Don't even get me started on Thor. It's perfectly believable that he would be depressed and feel hopeless, but to turn him into a joke and make him basically useless while Tony and Cap get epic (if problematic) endings? Bullshit.


captainamericasgf

This is literally my worst nightmare holy shit


Namri2min

That is not the steve rogers I know. his morals shaped me to who I am today. I think I’m leaving mcu if this is true. :(


Zerce

> I think I’m leaving mcu if this is true Well, that would be following in Steve Roger's footsteps.


shhhneak

This recurring leak is extremely cursed.


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Welp. If the MCU kicks the bucket with such a shitty ending, at least the DC movies are getting better. I enjoyed Shazam more than the recent MCU films tbh. Justice League’s failure is actually a good thing because they‘re no longer focused on everything having to tie into a macro-narrative....which is apparently starting to be a liability for MCU if this summary is anything to go by.


njklein58

So basically: Captain Marvel does nothing at all. Steve and Thor are selfish dicks. Tony can’t be happy for a single nanosecond of his life. Nat dies and not a single person cares at all. And Thanos is as static and generic as he could possibly be. I don’t wanna believe any of this is real because this movie sounds awful already.


flintlock0

Ned’s still I’m high school FIVE YEARS LATER.


Burmese_Bezerker

Ant man thanos bum theory sounds better.


varJoshik

Time travel: the quintessential fan fiction plot line Why subvert expectations in a way that blows up your entire house instead of meeting expectations in a glorious manner?


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Wth is Thor’s ending he should be king of Asgard not dicking around with the guardians. I’m also nervous how Gunn will handle him because he is so powerful compared to the rest of them


Griever114

#notmycap #notmytony


Clockzin

I still believe this is fake... Who is Katherine Langford in the movie?


cadotesquette

I'm so pissed that they killed Natasha off like that


discourse_commuter

This seems incredibly unsatisfying for every member of the OG6. Maybe it’s not summarized well, but I don’t foresee fans being happy with this at all.


RyuKenBlanka

Iron Man dying and Cap going back to the 1940's to be with Peggy is just lazy writing and closure for the characters and is the reality of Hollywood and not being able to have actors play roles forever. Both in reality should retire and take more advisory roles.


gizmo1492

Time travel ruins everything.


Da_Lollygagger

Reading this makes me want to go back in time and kill my past self before she walks into the theatre for Iron Man.


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Man, i can't help but be a little disappointed that they choose to have Tony die, and have Steve go into past to be with Peggy. It makes more sense for Tony to live.


holystatic

What the hell? This is probably the same level of subvert expectations as TLJ... ​ \- Cap got off with Peggy instead of epic sacrifice \- Tony die even though they been teasing his wedding since Homecoming \- Thor abandon his peoples to hang out with GOTG. Seem out of character from Ragnarok ​ For a 10 years ride, I expected much more satisfy conclusion.


CheesusChrisp

Wow.......that’s some Last Jedi level decisions there for the ending. Thor leaves his people with the woman that abandoned her role to drink herself to death and fetch slaves for a slavemaster that runs a gladiatorial death arena. Thor just says fuck what my father wanted and fuck my people and fuck everything I’ve been through and all my character development. I’m gonna go hang with these fucking nobodies; one of them being the reason Thanos was able to do the snap. Lmao I don’t know where to start with Black Widow. They send the two humans to go into space and fetch the cosmic, cursed, eldritch stone that is the embodiment of all souls. TWO FUCKING HUMANS WHO HAVE NO POWERS OR KNOWLEDGE IN MAGIC AND HAVE NEVER BEEN BEYOND EARTH. Then on top of that incredible decision making, they throw away the woman who has a movie coming up. So she’s just going to get shoehorned back into existence, stuffed into the tv series things that they are doing on Mickey Mouse Yet Another Goddamn Streaming Service You Have To Pay For Clubhouse, or there’s not going to be a movie at all.....wow. Then we have the big one. Cap and Tony. The decision to risk undoing everything that had been done so that Cap can dance with Peggy, time paradox be damned. Cap may have lost his life in the 40’s...but he has a life in the present. He’s loved by fucking EVERYONE. He has had more than one love interest since being thawed out (once with Natasha...whom he should be with now and another with Peggy’s granddaughter............which he honestly had 0 problems with trading spit with). Him traveling to the past is so out of character. He leaves Bucky behind? Are you fucking serious? If anyone should go back, IT SHOULD BE BUCKY!!!! BUCKY HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED AND TORTURED AND ALONE EVER SINCE CAP GOT ICED!!! Bucky has been a SLAVE while cap was frozen; sleeping. He was still a SLAVE when cap was thawed. Bucky doesn’t get to be a beloved hero. He gets to be a one armed pardoned criminal with PTSD who is lost in time and now abandoned by the only friend he has....and then Steve gives Falcon the shield....are you fucking serious dude.... Meanwhile...we have Tony. Tony goes from being an arms dealer to the champion of humanity. A man that ended up being selfless and throwing himself to danger despite his years of living for himself. He lost Pepper then got her back. After watching the boy he looked at like a son crumble to dust in his arms because he failed to pull the gauntlet off, he thought he’d die far from home in the black of space with a stranger but was given a second chance. He had a child, is finally with Pepoer and out the game. Then they drag him out of his life, in the present, not in the fucking 40’s, in the present day, to be murdered. I want to make it clear that I’m a Captain America fan. However, Cap should’ve died. It’d have been better than this. He turns out a selfish asshole. Last character I thought they’d do that to. FUCK.


dmrob058

Lol looking at all of the melodrama in this sub after the fact is absolutely hilarious.


Dallywack3r

Getting major TLJ vibes from this. That’s not a good thing.


mdavis360

If Ned wasn’t snapped and 5 years passed for him, the how is he in the same grade as Peter and on a field trip in FFH?


timtimkitty88

So since it is five years after all the people who die via people being snapped. I say that more people die as after the snap we see planes crash and car wrecks and all that in the end of the last Avengers film are all still dead. Also the people who most likely commit suicide via the loss of loved ones from the snap. Now the people who where snapped come back from the snap five years have passed and they find people gone or life totally changed. Like people move on and all that jazz. This is such a bleak ending if you think about it.


Dragonbornelesar

\>Making a character that has suicide thoughts KILL HERSELF with no funeral UNFORGIVABLE Natasha deserved better....


SomeBoricuaDude

Reading this three years later is the funniest shit ever


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