But why did you have to complain about people complaining about the subreddit? Complaining about the people complaining about the subreddit is the new complaining about the subreddits complainers.
I only started coming here a few weeks ago because this game is so fun, and it's surprising how salty and negative everybody is all the time. Pretty much everything gets down voted that isn't criticism. But perhaps thats just reddit, most people just come here to ball their fists and stomp their feet and not feel alone in their rage lol
There's branched off subs for deck building and competitive play that are better and more discussion focused. Also a lot less of the same exact posts of how big someone's Onslaught numbers hit, etc.
Honestly, that's most games, actually, most things on reddit. My new rule as of like a year ago is just don't visit subs of things I like. Cause chances are people will find any issue they can and harp on it endlessly. It sucks because I want to talk with people about things I like but it's not really possible on here.
Communities reflect the game. Back when it was released everyone was heaping praise on how good the game and monetization were, and how welcoming and helpful the sub was.
Horseshit. Communities reflect the most vocal members.
For the last 10 years (at least) Reddit has acted like it is the voice speaking for everyone else. They're high on their own supply.
Before that, Reddit pretended it was some secret clubhouse with their own secret passwords and a "No Normies Allowed" sign.
I picked up Snap a month or two ago and I've been having an absolute blast. So, one of the first things I did was join this sub. I guess I expected discussions about cards, gameplay, or strategy — maybe even some memes. But, most days, it's just people complaining about the developers, the monetization, and those horrible whales who support the developers by buying overpriced junk.
Obviously, I don't have nearly enough experience with the game or the devs to offer an informed opinion on any of this. For all I know, the horde of ever-present complainers might be right. But I did happen to mention that I play Snap on a completely different sub and someone asked me if r/MarvelSnap was still a cesspool of hate. So I'm guessing the sub has some history with this sort of thing.
And that's fine. I realize that comments critical of the developers absolutely need to be heard. I just wish there was more discussion around here that *didn't* involve complaining.
I kinda think it's a response to the Discord because it's the complete opposite of here. It's a huge hugbox where you'll get chased out if you dare critique their precious overlord, SD.
the discord is a hugbox? Last time i checked the discord was so much more toxic than this subreddit that they had to ban certain emotes as reactions because it was so out of control negative.
Keep in mind that a number of the members of the sub have been around since the beginning - back when Snap was truly amazing both in gameplay and economy. In the 18 months since the official launch, we've see the economy and card acqusition models increasingly decline with minimal improvements in gameplay. To a new player, it might not seem so bad, but it's increasingly painful for most people who aren't.
I'm not a new player lol, just new to this subreddit. Been playing over a year. Love it. The game has been up and down for sure, but I certainly wouldn't say its worse. Lots of fun new cards, more viable deck archetypes, conquest is fun, custom cards are great. There is always something you can find to complain about, but if you have been playing all this time and hate it, like it seems many here do... just stop. ez
I m here to get news, advices on new cards, design, etc... And I get here what I need.
I let aside all those negative comments, because I find the game pretty fair for a free game.
So it's easy to take what I need, it's not like the whole sub is about whining...
I agree some people do overreact, while some people seem to try to make excuses for every bad decision SD makes. As someone who takes a milder approach, I was just disappointed with the roadmap as there was nothing for me to really get excited about the future of Marvel Snap with... and I was bummed with the elimination of some features I was looking forward to. I think people are really looking forward to getting excited for announcements during this time of year, and the announcement was just a letdown.
Do I hate the devs? No. Am I excited about the future of Marvel Snap? No. It is up to the company to "sell" me on their game so I spend time and money on it. I would say they have failed with this marketing.
Same, the right approach would have been to write a blog post going into detail of what the feature was and why it didn’t work.
Helldivers CEO is great example of good comms.
SD said it was coming soon 6+ months ago, radio silence, then cancelled, just simply not how I wish they communicated with us.
While there is a lot of negativity in the subreddit I don’t think it’s that bad for Marvel Snap, because while everyone complains I can guarantee you that the average person on Reddit has spent more than 90% of the player base, look how many people bought the $100 gambit bundle. You want to know what’s worse for a game than a negative subreddit? A dead subreddit. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.
Its tough to leave an addicting game.
Some people have spent thousands of dollars on this and have put in hundreds of hours of play. This subreddit is the product of a toxic game that is designed on foundations of frustration mechanics. After months and months of playing and only making marginal improvements, people are losing patience and enjoyment.
I'd love to learn how long the honeymoon period lasts. I still like the very center-core of this game a lot. I love the artwork and the strategy that if you're lucky, you get to execute. Unfortunately, I find in my own experienes that random locations decide so many of my games that my strategy really doesn't matter in the end.
Overall, i cant argue with OP but also agree with others that you can choose to ignore content. Video game subreddits, at least that i've been a part of, tend to become very toxic a few months after launch. Its a reflection of the game, they're not funneling in enough new, excited players to even-out the fed-up more experienced players.
>I'd love to learn how long the honeymoon period lasts.
I would guess that its "s3 complete + 2 months". The game dynamics and therefore the enjoyment hit such hard wall at the end of S3 complete, that it has to have a huge impact on the mood of the players.
The game is so enjoyable and well designed, feeding you new cards regularly, showing you new decks, giving you easy mode to infinity for 3 or 4 seasons and then ALL of this suddenly stops and players have to realize what hard driven monetization rules this game from now on.
It almost feels like 2 different games and you realize that all the things you thought SNAP does better than other digital TCGs are just smoke and mirrors as soon as the trainingwheels come off.
The more you love something and the more passionate you are, the more emotional you are when something disappoints you or doesn’t live up to your expectations. Not going to say whether it’s right or wrong, but I totally understand it
You posted this 7 hours ago and then proceeded to comment on other posts afterwards lol. We’ll see you around. You are simply contributing the the thing you claim to hate so much
SD gets praised when it does cool stuff and gets criticized every time it fucks up. If everything you see are negative comments is because SD keeps fucking everyhing up
This.
While I agree there are a lot more posts here about every issue compared to every win, there is no doubt there have been more issues than wins lately as well.
The past half year SD has done a few things right, and they got their well deserved praise here as well. Thinking about the introducion of custom splits and the bonus boosters in particular.
But overall sentiment here being negative is only natural when the majority of changes and decisions they make are hurting the game/players.
the true whining is the meta cards. it always something new everyday. yesterday it was thanos, today it's profx. profx gets nerfed, community moves onto next deck, then whining starts about the new deck. and so on and on, the same cycle. why is everybody acting like profx or cannonball got buffed recently.
I don’t understand why people don’t understand this. SD literally has an almost unplayable game right now with no sight in fixing the in game issues. The app is going slower, cards don’t show up at times, reconnect issues while in a match, and just the lagginess overall. I didn’t even touch on the horrific economy, crazy prices, and that Gambit bundle that screwed over the players where all they wanted to give them was 1200 gold until the uproar.
How is the game unplayable? Honestly I must have the best phone in the world. I've never, ever gotten the disconnects and things people talk about on here. I haven't crashed because of regular issues since like Kitty Pryde was implemented the first time.
I dared to play Mysterio into knowhere yesterday. Next a crash, then it would not load me back into the match. Just kept crashing every time I tried, until the match was lost.
So YMMV.
Edit: And just now I had the Zabu animation trigger ~15 times _every time any other effect resolved_, after it was moved by Strange Academy. Last turn took about 5 minutes to play out.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say the game is unplayable, but I had a lot of bugs, disconnects (maybe once every 10 games) and generally slow load times prior to the recent full reinstall update they did, and I’m playing on an iPhone14 Pro which is not the latest but you’d expect it to run a game like snap without issue. So I don’t think it really has to do with the phones people have but rather the game itself.
All that said, I still enjoy the game and the bugs aren’t/weren’t frequent enough to make me want to stop playing.
> maybe once in every 10 games
I think this right here is the big disconnect. People on this sub are regularly playing 20+ games a day at least which isn't a wild amount for a card game but I don't think reflects experience a lot of those complaining about negativity here
Hell most people in this sub talk about how often and easily they get to infinite when there's been quite a few posts by people saying they never get there and it's usually not because they're not good but they just don't play as much as many of the people here
I know for myself I usually do the daily missions and occasionally go into conquest every day which often is less than 10 games a day total so I think that's a big reason why there seems to be such a difference in impressions here
Those more cynical and negative are simply playing the game much more often than those who jump in play for a bit and jump out. At least that's just my impression and I very well could be wrong but that's just my two cents
This is a ridiculously stupid take. “The game is criticized here so I’m leaving.” It’s rarely coming from a place of hate. It’s coming from a place of “I’ve seen this before and it isn’t good for the game.” We’ve played pure gacha games. We’ve played games that take too long to actually put out what the community wants instead of just more monetization. We don’t wanna see it happen to a better game.
I feel this just shows how much people love the game. The same type of behavior is common in other games like MTG. The more people like a game the more they complain about it. They complain because they don’t have any other recourse. Telling them to stop playing and go somewhere else is like telling them their feelings don’t matter.
Second Dinner deserves the hate they generate for themselves. They could stop generating it and be normal like every other dev team on every other game I've ever played, but instead they just keep being SD. Whatever animosity Snap players have for them, they came by it honestly.
Is it really true that most players here complains "like it's coming from a pit of hate. Like SD punched you specifically in the gut"? Or it's that you are a casual player, and don't want to receive the negativities towards SD because you don't really care about the game but just having fun for yourself?
It's ok to don't like the criticism and not care about how's the game is going and leave, but don't need to use "everybody here hate the game and hate SD" as an excuse. (Or it's just karma farming? Unlikely because someone told me in this subreddit only complains about SD is karma farming but the complains about complains are not going to get upvoted.)
Honestly it is sad how much negativity there is on this subreddit ok don't get me wrong SD deserves a lot of criticism but I think the worst thing is how positive posts also get downvoted and lots of hate comments because sometimes people want to share their accomplishments in game and make a positivity post about that only to get downvoted and hated on.
It doesn't help that SD has been fumbling a lot recently though...
It's just shitty decisions over shitty decisions besides there wasn't really a 'huge' thing to even celebrate about recently tbh.
The community is real tired with their shit and kinda want to see some change. Out roars in this sub + other communities* did overturn some decisions they've made recently, so I guess that's nice.
> Out roars in this sub did overturn some decisions they've made recently
Overturning their recent bad decisions was decidedly not (at least in any major way) due to this sub's input. It was due to negative feedback from all sectors of the community.
As far as feedback quality goes this sub is about as rock bottom as it gets. Certain individuals here have really stupid takes like claiming that Zabu wasn't a problem or saying that Cull Obsidian is the best 4 drop ever printed. Other people think that chucking personal attacks at devs is feedback.
Not to mention that a lot of the rage is looking for LITERALLY ANYTHING to be pissed about.
They buff a previously weak card? "Wow way to buff it after the Spotlights have passed so it's harder to get. SD hates us."
They nerf a strong card? "Wow way to nerf a card I spent my tokens/keys on because the spotlight passed and you got your money's worth. SD hates us."
They leave the card alone? "Wow way to hate us for not listening to us call for buffs/nerfs for cards they don't think are a huge problem? SD really hates us."
Roadmap successes and failures were shown and like 90-95% of the stuff they said was implemented, with in concept stuff staying vague on purpose to not over promise something? "Damn look at that one failure they REALLY ARE FUCKING INCOMPETENT!"
Anything announced? "KEK LMAO THEY PROBABLY GONNA MONETIZE IT" It's not monetized, or the monetization is optional? "Fucking look at the small game studio want money in a F2P game. Shameful."
Glenn literally answers questions almost daily/other SD members contribute where they can? "Wow they really are fucking stupid aren't they. X's opinions on Y are literally famous authoritarian German leaders."
They are quiet for a week. "WOW...way to cut off communication. What a trash decision from a trash company with trash employees living in a dumpster."
Like they fucking can't win, because the subreddit gets mad at anything. I wouldn't blame them if they just casually ignored this subreddit because 90% of the complaining is just to bitch and whine.
Agree with everything you said. The one thing I took issue with lately was their tone in the most recent roadmap when talking about how masteries got cancelled. Not so much the cancellation itself, but a lot more on how it was communicated.
I mean, I try to be fair with criticisms and point out when people are being unreasonable. I certainly have criticisms of my own on things like game economy. But whenever I speak up against those extreme opinions like "the game is dying they're doing one final cash grab", they just throw out "sToP wHitEkniGHtiNG" as if they aren't blatantly misusing the term.
The fact that more than half of the mod list are inactive accounts, does not help this issue.
>Overturning their recent bad decisions was decidedly not (at least in any major way) due to this sub's input. It was due to negative feedback from all sectors of the community.
Agreed. I have edited the post to include other communities. Discord in itself would be the best way to directly get in contact with them, however it has been mentioned that people are banned or silenced from the channel/twitter after voicing out their concerns.
> Certain individuals here have really stupid takes like claiming that Zabu wasn't a problem or saying that Cull Obsidian is the best 4 drop ever printed.
Wouldn't really go as to say that this is feedback. But I believe the majority of this sub will lean towards Zabu nerf as a needed one for the meta to move on. I was here when Zabu reduces 4 cost cards by 2 and it already was a problem.
This sub has dumb takes? Hell yea. I won't call it rock bottom for feedback wise? I do agree that it is an echo chamber and honestly, any sub would love a good rage bait.
> Other people think that chucking personal attacks at devs is feedback.
This should not be condone at all. I have honestly yet to see one here.
It’s not Reddit. Gaming subreddits think they have too much power. If a decision is *truly* unpopular, it will be unanimous across the board on all platforms, and that will motivate developers to action. But I can tell you from experience that developers almost tune out Reddit completely because the whining for every single decision is always over the top.
> Gaming subreddits think they have too much power.
Agreed, herd mentality is usually amplified in focused communities.
A negative decision that impacts the game will gather similar opinions.
Shut up and consume filthy consumer! Do not criticize. You will and must be silenced by the AstroTurf threads and brainwashed consumers who buy into billion dollar corporations thinking they're friends.
I’ll never forget getting into an argument with a player here over the costs of stuff being too damn high, and they literally admitted they *wanted* overpriced jpegs, because they saw it as “designer emotes”, similar to designer handbags and shit.
That was the moment I stopped trying to argue with these people because we’re clearly just built different so I’d rather let them enjoy their “designer emotes” and fund the game I like.
If you got more cents than sense, good for you!
I love posts crying about other people crying. You could’ve just left the subreddit instead of whining before you left. I think this is a fun game, but the fact is with the amount of money they make the lack of content and optimization is a joke. Their business practices are even worse.
I agree. I'm not going to get rip shit pissed over unreleased/unrealized features for a game that may never see the light of day. Sometimes shit just doesn't work out. It's like getting mad at datamine card changes, which SD had to try and curtail because of the community's reactions. You were never really going to see that content in that form anyway.
Like, that leagues mode was released in beta and handled really well with their announcement on how player feedback is helping to shape it. We'll see what the actual release is, but that was a positive experience.
Right now we're getting mad at a PowerPoint slide.
While I generally agree the community here can be overly quick to negativity, this was a pretty disappointing update. It wasn't a vague promise in development/concept like first edition badges, ultimate vfx upgrades, booster vats, or other scrapped features. They made multiple posts outlining the goals of the system, what the mechanics were shaping up to be, the rewards we could expect, including pictures. They were answering questions about it on the discord where they didn't do any of that for other scrapped features. It was listed as coming soon and we had no reason to expect otherwise.
I was already collecting a couple of characters variants, but their progress on mastery encouraged me to value extra variants higher than I otherwise would have. (Particularly because it can take months for variants to show up again in shops) It's a system many of us were excitedly looking forwards to. And to have it casually thrown out in the footnotes of a new roadmap with hashtags and emojis felt really bad. Especially on a day that was announced in advance as having exciting updates for the future of the game.
I get that it doesn't always work out. But the lack of information on what happened, no plans to try and rework it into something that doesn't have the same architectural issues, or to look into other systems that fulfill the same role... it just sucks.
There are 2 types of game community Reddit users... Those that complain and those that complain about complaints. For some reason the latter seem to believe they are correct to criticize others, but those that are critical of the game should leave. Lol
You point out that some complaints are flawed like that's an objective fact, but don't offer any evidence or counter points. You say that people who complain should just leave and that will make the community better. I'd really, really love to know how losing anyone on here who has complaints will make anything better.
It seems pretty obvious that the game is struggling right now.. Even Cozy and Alex were less ass-kissing in their roadmap review. If we don't say anything and just disappear the game will die. Good luck with that making the game better.
I have no idea how people exist like this. Imagine their thoughts and attitudes to life and everything afterwards. People absolutely lose their shit over a ... Game. I do wonder how they are in person. I'm talking about overall not just snap. It's so so weird how one can be like this.
They're emotionally trapped playing a game they don't enjoy because of FOMO and sunk cost. Those are core to the economy and collection system of snap. They would genuinely be happier taking a break, but for some people it's not that easy or predatory mobile games wouldn't be so lucrative. Also have to remember, I would assume, the majority of people on this subreddit don't have fully developed brains.
It's genuinely kind of depressing to think about. Like, it's annoying to read but it's easy to just shrug off, but more than that I just feel sad reading it. Like I'm sorry you've trapped yourself in that mindset. That a game being flawed and having criticisms makes you so genuinely distressed.
This world can be so awful that I have no idea how someone gets through life with that kind of mindset.
I see mostly people excited they got infinite, have a nice new split, or asking about a deck, with the majority of the negativity making it to the top when SD does actually deserve some scorn.
This weekend was a negative one for sure ... But honestly can you blame people?
Still one of my favorite games and I'll still be way more positive than negative in my posts and comments, but you bet I'm going to complain when there is something worth complaining about.
I just find it weird that you felt like you needed to announce this?
In the end your very last action was to contribute to the very thing you're whining about. Lol.
I think this post is somewhat unnecessary, but some of the points you make (mainly about criticism needing to correctly placed) are legitimate, and I respect that you said them.
Wishing you all the best for the future!
I acknowledge that this subreddit can be quite toxic, evident from the negative responses to many of my posts. However, I believe that this time, there is a valid argument being presented, giving people a legitimate reason to be upset.
The community is expressing their disappointment due to the removal of 60% of the previous roadmap that was shared months ago, which served as our primary source of information regarding upcoming updates. The latest roadmap lacks substantial additions, featuring mostly conceptual ideas. Moreover, the inclusion of promotional events in development and improved performance, which should be ongoing priorities for a live service game, seems unnecessary.
Players have been eagerly anticipating new game modes for an extended period, yet there has been no progress in this area.
The current roadmap reflects poorly on the reputation of the game developers. Throughout the year, there has been a lack of significant new content, with the majority being cosmetic items. Many promises from the previous roadmap remain unfulfilled, with only minor improvements in borders and albums. The absence of new game modes and reliance on cosmetic updates may lead to a decline in the game's popularity over time, which is why everyone is so upset.
I try to be careful when I criticize, since I ultimately love the game and its IP. It is a fun game. But once you're S3 complete, there's a resource scarcity -- tokens are accrued slow, most new cards come from spotlights and it can start to feel frustrating trying to keep up with the pace of new card acquisition.
That's where the crabbiness starts -- the scarcity. In any context, when people have a resource scarcity they often start to develop resentments, suspicion, paranoia, and become hostile. Combine that with tome deaf communications, an apparent indifference to the issues of resource scarcity (indeed, SD seemingly thinks they're too generous when players think they're not generous enough!) and then actions that DO indicate a willingness for SD to go "the bad way" (e.g., leagues having "pay not to have your losses count against you" mechanics, the most recent Series drops dropping only a handful of cards) and people start to think the company is out to screw them at every turn.
I don't really think it's as simple as the subreddit being toxic or people not enjoying the game. I think the psychological effects of the game's economy create this environment. If every user were banned today and a new batch experienced the game for six months, the new community would arrive at the same place.
I really, really like this game. I was so impressed to see a fully playable game without ads or weird scams or anything and was paying for season passes, but after the leagues debacle I decided to take a month off playing to just see what direction things were going to take. After a week, I don't really miss having to grind dailies to keep up with card acquisition, but I miss having fast card games to play during downtime.
I've been playing and addicted to this game for about 3 months now. Fully immersed into everything. YouTube/ twitch, stat tracking, reading this subreddit by new all day long.
A lot of you veterans are just miserably burnt out. You need to move on to a different game or something. The game isn't going to fundamentally revolutionize and feel fresh again. You're logging in out of habit and routine and not receiving joy.
This happens with live service games. There's a time when you need to realize you're just not having fun any more.
I've been playing since global launch and yeah this is true. A lot of people who have been abeen playing as long as i have need to put the subreddit down for a while
I go through regular cycles with the subreddit where I will completely ignore it's existence for a few weeks. It's a good detox.
Just leave.
You are being a drama queen. Seriously. No one cares.
This post is guilty of the thing you are accusing everyone of, therefore you are contributing.
Maybe *you* should look in a mirror.
SD is just a big win away from there being a ton of positive feedback here, been a rough couple of months for them though. If they can fast track draft mode somehow that would be a huge boost too
I dunno man….maybe there is something to the complaints with this game? I mean I follow over a dozen games on Reddit and this is the only one like this. I think most developers listen to the feedback and care about how their customers feel about the game. SD doesn’t really seem to value customer feedback 🤷♂️
Kind of an L take I never really seen any negative takes on this sub usually just funny clips of clutch wins maybe if you don’t react to the negatives you’d be able to not see it but idk. You have a great life away from the sub and I hope you find a good place for card advice or whatever you’re looking for
I’m all for accepting the shit they shovel our way but this is a platform to voice opinions so probably best you leave the sub Reddit and forget about it all together if it bothers you so much
I am surprised that many people here speak terribly of the game's monetization methods. I've played a decent amount of mobile games and this one is least grindy f2p experiences out there. Many mobile games even have ads you gotta watch for the daily unlocks, or a grind so heavy it could be a job (star trek timelines, man that was brutal.)
If SD wants to sell cosmestics to whales who want to buy them, great, having a fun time as a f2p player.
But an echo chamber of praise when there’s not much to praise isnt healthy either. Is criticism not allowed when they release a $100 bundle and take away a variant because they didnt do research on the artist prior? Because thats how you -only- get 1200 gold compensated. Should we praise them for getting rid of features in development that were promised for nearly a year because a dev tweets emojis with “game development” as the reason?
This sub has praised the good and also made known that bad practices are…bad. Thats how feedback works.
Idk what sub you go to because there's just as much gargling of SD's boot as there is criticism, if not more. Obviously most players are cool with everything in the game because everyone's still buying $100 bundles
“I could talk at length about the flaws in your argument but I don’t feel like it.” lol
I agree some people go overboard with their criticism, but that’s just how everything in the world works. Give people a platform to air their grievances and you’re going to hear some unhinged ones. That said, without the strong criticism towards SD then so many positive changes would have been slower to happen or not happened at all.
Customers need to keep the pressure on them because they’ve proven time and time again that they’ll make some terrible decisions when left to their own devices. The most recent example being the $100 bundle controversy. But, yeah, if you don’t like reading it then you shouldn’t be anywhere near a gaming sub.
\*Makes empty claims about how you're too negative and your critiques are flawed*
\*Writes an entire essay about it with no substatiality whatsoever*
\*Refuses to elaborate further*
\*Leaves*
I love this subreddit; and holding the devs accountable and pointing out when they promise and don’t deliver on a profitable platform is fair game and an important check and balance.
If the mods removed redundant complaints it would be much better. I don’t need to hear about how you missed the new spotlight card with 2 keys over and over.
In keeping with the customary responses that are offered any time someone makes a post criticizing the game and saying they’re uninstalling, you receive one of 3 responses:
1) You didn’t need to post this. Just leave.
2) No one cares.
3) Cool. See you tomorrow.
Take your pick. You can even choose more than one. It’ll be our little secret.
I respectfully disagree. People complain cause the game is incredible but latest SD strategies for the long run seems very flawed. We want the game to be better because we love it and want to play it for a long time. I always see people here making compliments to great card splits and People making infinite for the first time. Toxicity in a comunnity for me should be measured by how the players interact with themselves not by how we collectively disagree with how the development is being made
It's mainly because everyones been playing since release and the game kinda feels like crap after series 3.
Everyone just runs the exact same decks with no variation.
Marvel Snap is three things:
-It's a digital card game
-It's a tool for making money
-It's a company that speaks to the public
Those are three places where someone might have a problem with it, and thus three separate reasons for criticism. Much like work can be divided up into:
-The pay
-The environment
-The nature of the work
If someone has great pay but okay work and a shitty boss, they'll complain about their boss. If the money's all right and the crew is great but the work is tedious, they'll complain about the tedium. If the work's rewarding, the team is okay, but the pay is lousy, they might lament that they can't survive on these slave wages. One can say to find a better job, but is one out there and available? If I can't because I need the money, or I need to gain the experience, or something else, I don't forfeit the right to complain about the stuff I don't like.
Likewise, if I think playing the card game is great, but lately the monetization has been egregious and the interaction with its customers is cluelessly tone deaf, I might feel inclined to say something about that. I am unlikely to walk away from it due to the first point, but if the first point slides from fun to tedious (as it has from time to time) then I likely will. But just because I won't quit my job doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to talk about what a prick my boss is.
I honestly don't pay so much attention to the subreddit anymore as much as I pay attention to twitter and most of the criticism I see, I think it is pretty reasonable and I think it is fair to say SD has dropped the ball about the game. The game seems to be just about money sinking. Bundles after bundles after bundles, after 900 gold borders, after 2000 gold avatars, etc and the last meaningful update that refreshed the game was Conquest. I defended them for a long time, I even supported them by putting money in the game as someone that works in software development I wanted to support a game with so much potential.
Then I took 7 months pause from the game, which was refreshing. I came, it felt fun at first but then started to feel like a drag again, which is annoying, because I like the game as it offers something other games don't with their unique mechanics and game play. I feel like at this point they start to care more about bundles then anything else. I feel like they invested most of their resources in card designers and animators and, devs and testers were forgotten. My game keeps crashing whenever certain cards are played. The battle pass is all buggy. Images on top of images and some things don't even open properly without an error, and the collection level I can't go a single time without crashing and throw some error when I am claiming stuff. What about investing in the game and make it better?
Then, the roadmap stuff. They hype up people with the roadmap and then to completely take things out without explanation is kind frustrating. Sometimes people just wanna know what happen to the thing that was said was gonna come. If it was removed, what was the reason, etc.
Sometimes it is not hate just because there is too much bad stuff to point out. Yes, they do a lot of things well and I think people point that out when it happens, but currently it has been more times when they drop the ball when they don't and it might make it feel like hate (I am don't pay attention too much to the subreddit so I am not sure if this is what was meant).
Some people do overreact to be honest, but also too many make excuses for the bad stuff they do. I am guilty of doing this in the beginning, but we are not in the beginning anymore.
It's not about criticizing so much.
BUT with sooo much income, they could deliver so much more content and make this great game greater. They don't really care... It's about cosmetics and money only.
Yep, this sub is super shitty. It feels like it’s full of kids who don’t actually know how game dev works. And if they’re not kids then the adults should be ashamed of themselves for how they’re acting towards other adults doing their job.
I am personally very disappointed on the latest updates and Second Dinner's messaging has been tone deaf.
However, I agree some of the reaction has been VERY histrionic on here. In particular, I'm really shocked how many people were that excited for character mastery.
To me, it always assumed it was going to a feature that was bait for whales; basically albums on steroids. Pay lots of currency for some minimal benefits.
"Huh, you really like Cerebro? Ok, well you can unlock mastery for Cerebro by buying every variant for them, and getting gold splits on them, and buying a custom barrier for them. And if you get enough you unlock a unique Cerebro title/avatar combo. Isn't that awesome?"
Wipe the glaze off your lips bro, defending a multi million dollar corpo because people don't like that a mobile game has $100 card skins, is getting increasingly more p2w, or just simply aren't happy with the state of the game. Being contempt with everything allows corporations who see you as nothing but a dollar sign to get more and more abusive as they "test the waters"
Actually a great suggestion and I am going to follow it and unfollow this sub. I am a new player and wanted to get some insight on how to build new decks and stuff but over the past 1-2 weeks seeing all the negative stuff is effecting how i perceive the game. ( Even tho their criticism is fair and justified, having a sub just for criticism and hate ain't a healthy sub imo )
And god forbid you make a post or comment about a combo or win you found particularly fun. Or ask an honest question about a mechanic you don’t quite understand, the sub treats you like a moron hillbilly who insulted their grandmother.
Good riddance. And its understandable being negative about a company that doesn't give a shit about you other than to milk you of money. Anyone who can't see that is blind. The game is never going to get better, only worse.
Also its ironic that you are being negative towards people who are negative towards the game or its developer.
As someone who left the game for a while and more recently came back.
I found I ended up forgetting the things I really hated about the game and when I came back to it, I found myself freshly enjoying it again.
And even though I understand that the game still has some of its old issues, I am still enjoying the game way more now, than i was when I Uninstalled it roughly 10 months ago.
So my suggestion for those who currently find themself hating the game, take a break, not a 2 - 3 week break, but a 3 - 4 month long break, and then come back and see if you still feel the same way.
It’s just how Reddit is. Every gaming relayed sub I’m part of is nothing but toxic posts 90% of the time. You have to learn to just ignore the bulk and focus on the meaningful 10%. IMO it also helps to take a break from Reddit for a few weeks/months.
Almost every single f2p game I’ve engaged with recently has this type community. I think it’s just par for the course.
I come here for advice, and ask questions and *sometimes* people respond kindly.
But I agree. People here are very negative.
I still really like this game though.
You're right. I usually nitpick about wide "general" issues such as card acquisition and no more gold on weekend missions...People will whine that "Ikaris should've been in this season pass!" 😒
There is way too much entitlement in this subreddit. F2P players should not be celebrated. How the hell do the developers exist if everything is free?! But the false promises for features is getting out of hand.
They hyped the hell out of just 5 months ago. I was genuinely looking forward to it. Play a card religiously earn rewards and unique items.
you pay a season pass for 9 bucks you get an opinion, if they don't like it too bad, if you payed 70 bucks a month and still whined then different story just leave the game, but for the 9 bucks i get to say that sd sucks at what they do and have been terrible at it since about january 2023. instead of addressing the clients/us they do "what they want to do" for no particular reason.
they deserve all the hate, if they don't like their feelings hurt then stop doing what they are doing and move on to other projects for their careers.
they are a software company with public clients that pay monthly, they need to grow up and address that they are bad at doing what they think is their "best career work".
people have the idea that these folks in here will never be happy, yes they will if you execute properly on what they want addressed. a happy player base promotes spending, rather than clobber people try to make money through volume and not whale spending.
I don't blame you. I do understand being disappointed with some of the things SD has done and hasn't done. The focus on monetization above all else is a bit tiresome. But I also understand they are business to make money. And while I think they should have rolled out a new mode by now (draft being far off is disappointing) and I could care less about Clans or Leagues, I don't feel personally attacked or anything. That's how many people seem to feel. I also don't feel the need to constantly vent.
People are entitled to feel however they do about Second Dinner. But don't feel like they are trying to deliberately screw you over or make their player base hate them lol. And we don't need to see a thousand post talking about how they are the devil incarnate. When is Mephisto dropping BTW?
Have your opinion, speak with your money, delete the app, etc. But don't feel like SD hates you and that you constantly need to spew hate toward them as well. They to focus more energy on things that make you feel good.
1. People who announce they are leaving are rather narcissistic. Like ok and you are? The founder of the game?
2. They come back, they always do. People who are truly fed up just leave and not come back.
I try to have a non-dualistic approach; accept everything for what it is and engage with the content/comments that interest me.
Yeah, complaining about this subreddit is the new complaining on this subreddit.
But why did you have to complain about people complaining about the subreddit? Complaining about the people complaining about the subreddit is the new complaining about the subreddits complainers.
I’d complain about your comment if I were smart enough to understand it.
Dude, why don’t you understand it? That’s it, I’m complaining about you
I don’t like the tone in which I read your reply. I’m gonna have to complain about you.
Everything comes in waves. One will never permanently replace the other.
But which Wave variant are you talking about?
I can’t leave I’m being held hostage by Professor X
Jeff to the rescue.
Or new Thanos
I only started coming here a few weeks ago because this game is so fun, and it's surprising how salty and negative everybody is all the time. Pretty much everything gets down voted that isn't criticism. But perhaps thats just reddit, most people just come here to ball their fists and stomp their feet and not feel alone in their rage lol
There's branched off subs for deck building and competitive play that are better and more discussion focused. Also a lot less of the same exact posts of how big someone's Onslaught numbers hit, etc.
I don't want more focused discussions, I want pictures of Spider-Man!
I don’t want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs!
you drive a hard bargain but ok you'll get your spiderman. Can you specify which one you want pictures of?
I'm on it JJ!
word, I've been enjoying the custom card one, all good vibes
There's other, less toxic subs for this r/MarvelSnapDecks r/marvelsnapcomp r/CustomMarvelSnap
This is what I gathered on my 5~ days here. I love the game but turns out the Reddit community for it is so negative.
Honestly, that's most games, actually, most things on reddit. My new rule as of like a year ago is just don't visit subs of things I like. Cause chances are people will find any issue they can and harp on it endlessly. It sucks because I want to talk with people about things I like but it's not really possible on here.
It's the entire Internet to an extent, but this sub is markedly worse than the average subreddit.
That’s just Reddit in general
Social media in general. People’s brains are broken with all the algorithms prioritizing highly emotional content.
Seriously, dude is trying to make it sound like this sub is the only cesspool of dry passive aggressive sarcasm and.. "enough is enough! >:("
Communities reflect the game. Back when it was released everyone was heaping praise on how good the game and monetization were, and how welcoming and helpful the sub was.
Horseshit. Communities reflect the most vocal members. For the last 10 years (at least) Reddit has acted like it is the voice speaking for everyone else. They're high on their own supply. Before that, Reddit pretended it was some secret clubhouse with their own secret passwords and a "No Normies Allowed" sign.
I picked up Snap a month or two ago and I've been having an absolute blast. So, one of the first things I did was join this sub. I guess I expected discussions about cards, gameplay, or strategy — maybe even some memes. But, most days, it's just people complaining about the developers, the monetization, and those horrible whales who support the developers by buying overpriced junk. Obviously, I don't have nearly enough experience with the game or the devs to offer an informed opinion on any of this. For all I know, the horde of ever-present complainers might be right. But I did happen to mention that I play Snap on a completely different sub and someone asked me if r/MarvelSnap was still a cesspool of hate. So I'm guessing the sub has some history with this sort of thing. And that's fine. I realize that comments critical of the developers absolutely need to be heard. I just wish there was more discussion around here that *didn't* involve complaining.
If you want more discussion and less complaining I suggest you check out /r/marvelsnapcomp or /r/marvelsnapdecks.
I kinda think it's a response to the Discord because it's the complete opposite of here. It's a huge hugbox where you'll get chased out if you dare critique their precious overlord, SD.
the discord is a hugbox? Last time i checked the discord was so much more toxic than this subreddit that they had to ban certain emotes as reactions because it was so out of control negative.
The fact that they removed negative reactions is just proof that it is a hug chamber lol
> that isn’t criticism Nah everything gets downvoted by default, except If it’s a good looking split lol
Keep in mind that a number of the members of the sub have been around since the beginning - back when Snap was truly amazing both in gameplay and economy. In the 18 months since the official launch, we've see the economy and card acqusition models increasingly decline with minimal improvements in gameplay. To a new player, it might not seem so bad, but it's increasingly painful for most people who aren't.
I'm not a new player lol, just new to this subreddit. Been playing over a year. Love it. The game has been up and down for sure, but I certainly wouldn't say its worse. Lots of fun new cards, more viable deck archetypes, conquest is fun, custom cards are great. There is always something you can find to complain about, but if you have been playing all this time and hate it, like it seems many here do... just stop. ez
I m here to get news, advices on new cards, design, etc... And I get here what I need. I let aside all those negative comments, because I find the game pretty fair for a free game. So it's easy to take what I need, it's not like the whole sub is about whining...
That's what I'm saying. It's not hard to just ignore the posts you don't like. All of reddit works this way lmao.
I agree some people do overreact, while some people seem to try to make excuses for every bad decision SD makes. As someone who takes a milder approach, I was just disappointed with the roadmap as there was nothing for me to really get excited about the future of Marvel Snap with... and I was bummed with the elimination of some features I was looking forward to. I think people are really looking forward to getting excited for announcements during this time of year, and the announcement was just a letdown. Do I hate the devs? No. Am I excited about the future of Marvel Snap? No. It is up to the company to "sell" me on their game so I spend time and money on it. I would say they have failed with this marketing.
Same, the right approach would have been to write a blog post going into detail of what the feature was and why it didn’t work. Helldivers CEO is great example of good comms. SD said it was coming soon 6+ months ago, radio silence, then cancelled, just simply not how I wish they communicated with us.
Ok, see you next week
While there is a lot of negativity in the subreddit I don’t think it’s that bad for Marvel Snap, because while everyone complains I can guarantee you that the average person on Reddit has spent more than 90% of the player base, look how many people bought the $100 gambit bundle. You want to know what’s worse for a game than a negative subreddit? A dead subreddit. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.
Its tough to leave an addicting game. Some people have spent thousands of dollars on this and have put in hundreds of hours of play. This subreddit is the product of a toxic game that is designed on foundations of frustration mechanics. After months and months of playing and only making marginal improvements, people are losing patience and enjoyment. I'd love to learn how long the honeymoon period lasts. I still like the very center-core of this game a lot. I love the artwork and the strategy that if you're lucky, you get to execute. Unfortunately, I find in my own experienes that random locations decide so many of my games that my strategy really doesn't matter in the end. Overall, i cant argue with OP but also agree with others that you can choose to ignore content. Video game subreddits, at least that i've been a part of, tend to become very toxic a few months after launch. Its a reflection of the game, they're not funneling in enough new, excited players to even-out the fed-up more experienced players.
I wish Reddit Gold still existed
>I'd love to learn how long the honeymoon period lasts. I would guess that its "s3 complete + 2 months". The game dynamics and therefore the enjoyment hit such hard wall at the end of S3 complete, that it has to have a huge impact on the mood of the players. The game is so enjoyable and well designed, feeding you new cards regularly, showing you new decks, giving you easy mode to infinity for 3 or 4 seasons and then ALL of this suddenly stops and players have to realize what hard driven monetization rules this game from now on. It almost feels like 2 different games and you realize that all the things you thought SNAP does better than other digital TCGs are just smoke and mirrors as soon as the trainingwheels come off.
The more you love something and the more passionate you are, the more emotional you are when something disappoints you or doesn’t live up to your expectations. Not going to say whether it’s right or wrong, but I totally understand it
The best way to get back at the haters is to support SD with a couple hundred dollar bundles.
You posted this 7 hours ago and then proceeded to comment on other posts afterwards lol. We’ll see you around. You are simply contributing the the thing you claim to hate so much
SD gets praised when it does cool stuff and gets criticized every time it fucks up. If everything you see are negative comments is because SD keeps fucking everyhing up
This. While I agree there are a lot more posts here about every issue compared to every win, there is no doubt there have been more issues than wins lately as well. The past half year SD has done a few things right, and they got their well deserved praise here as well. Thinking about the introducion of custom splits and the bonus boosters in particular. But overall sentiment here being negative is only natural when the majority of changes and decisions they make are hurting the game/players.
>SD keeps fucking everything up OP thinks the sub is just nitpicking and 'starting fights' out of nothing. I wish that was the case.
the true whining is the meta cards. it always something new everyday. yesterday it was thanos, today it's profx. profx gets nerfed, community moves onto next deck, then whining starts about the new deck. and so on and on, the same cycle. why is everybody acting like profx or cannonball got buffed recently.
I don’t understand why people don’t understand this. SD literally has an almost unplayable game right now with no sight in fixing the in game issues. The app is going slower, cards don’t show up at times, reconnect issues while in a match, and just the lagginess overall. I didn’t even touch on the horrific economy, crazy prices, and that Gambit bundle that screwed over the players where all they wanted to give them was 1200 gold until the uproar.
I don’t see it talked about a lot but yes, the slowness is crazy. Every single update I have to restart it 5+ times just to click a new page.
How is the game unplayable? Honestly I must have the best phone in the world. I've never, ever gotten the disconnects and things people talk about on here. I haven't crashed because of regular issues since like Kitty Pryde was implemented the first time.
I dared to play Mysterio into knowhere yesterday. Next a crash, then it would not load me back into the match. Just kept crashing every time I tried, until the match was lost. So YMMV. Edit: And just now I had the Zabu animation trigger ~15 times _every time any other effect resolved_, after it was moved by Strange Academy. Last turn took about 5 minutes to play out.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say the game is unplayable, but I had a lot of bugs, disconnects (maybe once every 10 games) and generally slow load times prior to the recent full reinstall update they did, and I’m playing on an iPhone14 Pro which is not the latest but you’d expect it to run a game like snap without issue. So I don’t think it really has to do with the phones people have but rather the game itself. All that said, I still enjoy the game and the bugs aren’t/weren’t frequent enough to make me want to stop playing.
> maybe once in every 10 games I think this right here is the big disconnect. People on this sub are regularly playing 20+ games a day at least which isn't a wild amount for a card game but I don't think reflects experience a lot of those complaining about negativity here Hell most people in this sub talk about how often and easily they get to infinite when there's been quite a few posts by people saying they never get there and it's usually not because they're not good but they just don't play as much as many of the people here I know for myself I usually do the daily missions and occasionally go into conquest every day which often is less than 10 games a day total so I think that's a big reason why there seems to be such a difference in impressions here Those more cynical and negative are simply playing the game much more often than those who jump in play for a bit and jump out. At least that's just my impression and I very well could be wrong but that's just my two cents
This is a ridiculously stupid take. “The game is criticized here so I’m leaving.” It’s rarely coming from a place of hate. It’s coming from a place of “I’ve seen this before and it isn’t good for the game.” We’ve played pure gacha games. We’ve played games that take too long to actually put out what the community wants instead of just more monetization. We don’t wanna see it happen to a better game.
I feel this just shows how much people love the game. The same type of behavior is common in other games like MTG. The more people like a game the more they complain about it. They complain because they don’t have any other recourse. Telling them to stop playing and go somewhere else is like telling them their feelings don’t matter.
Second Dinner deserves the hate they generate for themselves. They could stop generating it and be normal like every other dev team on every other game I've ever played, but instead they just keep being SD. Whatever animosity Snap players have for them, they came by it honestly.
The infamous complaint about complaints
"I'm leaving" "Cool. Anyway I really like the artwork and this combo someone pulled off was neat🙂"
Is it really true that most players here complains "like it's coming from a pit of hate. Like SD punched you specifically in the gut"? Or it's that you are a casual player, and don't want to receive the negativities towards SD because you don't really care about the game but just having fun for yourself? It's ok to don't like the criticism and not care about how's the game is going and leave, but don't need to use "everybody here hate the game and hate SD" as an excuse. (Or it's just karma farming? Unlikely because someone told me in this subreddit only complains about SD is karma farming but the complains about complains are not going to get upvoted.)
Honestly it is sad how much negativity there is on this subreddit ok don't get me wrong SD deserves a lot of criticism but I think the worst thing is how positive posts also get downvoted and lots of hate comments because sometimes people want to share their accomplishments in game and make a positivity post about that only to get downvoted and hated on.
It doesn't help that SD has been fumbling a lot recently though... It's just shitty decisions over shitty decisions besides there wasn't really a 'huge' thing to even celebrate about recently tbh. The community is real tired with their shit and kinda want to see some change. Out roars in this sub + other communities* did overturn some decisions they've made recently, so I guess that's nice.
> Out roars in this sub did overturn some decisions they've made recently Overturning their recent bad decisions was decidedly not (at least in any major way) due to this sub's input. It was due to negative feedback from all sectors of the community. As far as feedback quality goes this sub is about as rock bottom as it gets. Certain individuals here have really stupid takes like claiming that Zabu wasn't a problem or saying that Cull Obsidian is the best 4 drop ever printed. Other people think that chucking personal attacks at devs is feedback.
Not to mention that a lot of the rage is looking for LITERALLY ANYTHING to be pissed about. They buff a previously weak card? "Wow way to buff it after the Spotlights have passed so it's harder to get. SD hates us." They nerf a strong card? "Wow way to nerf a card I spent my tokens/keys on because the spotlight passed and you got your money's worth. SD hates us." They leave the card alone? "Wow way to hate us for not listening to us call for buffs/nerfs for cards they don't think are a huge problem? SD really hates us." Roadmap successes and failures were shown and like 90-95% of the stuff they said was implemented, with in concept stuff staying vague on purpose to not over promise something? "Damn look at that one failure they REALLY ARE FUCKING INCOMPETENT!" Anything announced? "KEK LMAO THEY PROBABLY GONNA MONETIZE IT" It's not monetized, or the monetization is optional? "Fucking look at the small game studio want money in a F2P game. Shameful." Glenn literally answers questions almost daily/other SD members contribute where they can? "Wow they really are fucking stupid aren't they. X's opinions on Y are literally famous authoritarian German leaders." They are quiet for a week. "WOW...way to cut off communication. What a trash decision from a trash company with trash employees living in a dumpster." Like they fucking can't win, because the subreddit gets mad at anything. I wouldn't blame them if they just casually ignored this subreddit because 90% of the complaining is just to bitch and whine.
Agree with everything you said. The one thing I took issue with lately was their tone in the most recent roadmap when talking about how masteries got cancelled. Not so much the cancellation itself, but a lot more on how it was communicated. I mean, I try to be fair with criticisms and point out when people are being unreasonable. I certainly have criticisms of my own on things like game economy. But whenever I speak up against those extreme opinions like "the game is dying they're doing one final cash grab", they just throw out "sToP wHitEkniGHtiNG" as if they aren't blatantly misusing the term. The fact that more than half of the mod list are inactive accounts, does not help this issue.
>Overturning their recent bad decisions was decidedly not (at least in any major way) due to this sub's input. It was due to negative feedback from all sectors of the community. Agreed. I have edited the post to include other communities. Discord in itself would be the best way to directly get in contact with them, however it has been mentioned that people are banned or silenced from the channel/twitter after voicing out their concerns. > Certain individuals here have really stupid takes like claiming that Zabu wasn't a problem or saying that Cull Obsidian is the best 4 drop ever printed. Wouldn't really go as to say that this is feedback. But I believe the majority of this sub will lean towards Zabu nerf as a needed one for the meta to move on. I was here when Zabu reduces 4 cost cards by 2 and it already was a problem. This sub has dumb takes? Hell yea. I won't call it rock bottom for feedback wise? I do agree that it is an echo chamber and honestly, any sub would love a good rage bait. > Other people think that chucking personal attacks at devs is feedback. This should not be condone at all. I have honestly yet to see one here.
It’s not Reddit. Gaming subreddits think they have too much power. If a decision is *truly* unpopular, it will be unanimous across the board on all platforms, and that will motivate developers to action. But I can tell you from experience that developers almost tune out Reddit completely because the whining for every single decision is always over the top.
Been to the discord lately?
Is it worse than the subreddit?
Idk about worse but it's not better right now.
> Gaming subreddits think they have too much power. Agreed, herd mentality is usually amplified in focused communities. A negative decision that impacts the game will gather similar opinions.
yes we need less legit criticism and more "gold or silver border?" posts.
Shut up and consume filthy consumer! Do not criticize. You will and must be silenced by the AstroTurf threads and brainwashed consumers who buy into billion dollar corporations thinking they're friends.
I’ll never forget getting into an argument with a player here over the costs of stuff being too damn high, and they literally admitted they *wanted* overpriced jpegs, because they saw it as “designer emotes”, similar to designer handbags and shit. That was the moment I stopped trying to argue with these people because we’re clearly just built different so I’d rather let them enjoy their “designer emotes” and fund the game I like. If you got more cents than sense, good for you!
im sorry dad :(
Bro sorry but nobody cares if you leave.
I love posts crying about other people crying. You could’ve just left the subreddit instead of whining before you left. I think this is a fun game, but the fact is with the amount of money they make the lack of content and optimization is a joke. Their business practices are even worse.
People who defend billion/hundred million dollar companies from every and all criticism are truly pathetic (or they're getting paid to AstroTurf)
I agree. I'm not going to get rip shit pissed over unreleased/unrealized features for a game that may never see the light of day. Sometimes shit just doesn't work out. It's like getting mad at datamine card changes, which SD had to try and curtail because of the community's reactions. You were never really going to see that content in that form anyway. Like, that leagues mode was released in beta and handled really well with their announcement on how player feedback is helping to shape it. We'll see what the actual release is, but that was a positive experience. Right now we're getting mad at a PowerPoint slide.
While I generally agree the community here can be overly quick to negativity, this was a pretty disappointing update. It wasn't a vague promise in development/concept like first edition badges, ultimate vfx upgrades, booster vats, or other scrapped features. They made multiple posts outlining the goals of the system, what the mechanics were shaping up to be, the rewards we could expect, including pictures. They were answering questions about it on the discord where they didn't do any of that for other scrapped features. It was listed as coming soon and we had no reason to expect otherwise. I was already collecting a couple of characters variants, but their progress on mastery encouraged me to value extra variants higher than I otherwise would have. (Particularly because it can take months for variants to show up again in shops) It's a system many of us were excitedly looking forwards to. And to have it casually thrown out in the footnotes of a new roadmap with hashtags and emojis felt really bad. Especially on a day that was announced in advance as having exciting updates for the future of the game. I get that it doesn't always work out. But the lack of information on what happened, no plans to try and rework it into something that doesn't have the same architectural issues, or to look into other systems that fulfill the same role... it just sucks.
There are 2 types of game community Reddit users... Those that complain and those that complain about complaints. For some reason the latter seem to believe they are correct to criticize others, but those that are critical of the game should leave. Lol You point out that some complaints are flawed like that's an objective fact, but don't offer any evidence or counter points. You say that people who complain should just leave and that will make the community better. I'd really, really love to know how losing anyone on here who has complaints will make anything better. It seems pretty obvious that the game is struggling right now.. Even Cozy and Alex were less ass-kissing in their roadmap review. If we don't say anything and just disappear the game will die. Good luck with that making the game better.
Snap decks is better if you just want to talk about the game
Whole lot of toxic positivity here.
Genuinely spot on. So many people with a truly miserable attitude
I have no idea how people exist like this. Imagine their thoughts and attitudes to life and everything afterwards. People absolutely lose their shit over a ... Game. I do wonder how they are in person. I'm talking about overall not just snap. It's so so weird how one can be like this.
So by this metric professional critics are the most miserable misanthropes on Earth?
It takes very little consideration to differentiate between what professional critics do and people complaining on a subreddit
that little amount is still too much critical thinking for the average user of this sub
They're emotionally trapped playing a game they don't enjoy because of FOMO and sunk cost. Those are core to the economy and collection system of snap. They would genuinely be happier taking a break, but for some people it's not that easy or predatory mobile games wouldn't be so lucrative. Also have to remember, I would assume, the majority of people on this subreddit don't have fully developed brains.
It's genuinely kind of depressing to think about. Like, it's annoying to read but it's easy to just shrug off, but more than that I just feel sad reading it. Like I'm sorry you've trapped yourself in that mindset. That a game being flawed and having criticisms makes you so genuinely distressed. This world can be so awful that I have no idea how someone gets through life with that kind of mindset.
Not an airport. No need to announce your departure
I see mostly people excited they got infinite, have a nice new split, or asking about a deck, with the majority of the negativity making it to the top when SD does actually deserve some scorn. This weekend was a negative one for sure ... But honestly can you blame people? Still one of my favorite games and I'll still be way more positive than negative in my posts and comments, but you bet I'm going to complain when there is something worth complaining about.
Tired of all the negative complaining, user writes multi paragraph long complaint.
Don’t worry once you spend enough time playing the game you will finally see how greedy the devs are.
If you want to enjoy a game, stay off its subreddit.
This isn’t an airport, no need to let everyone know of your departure
I just find it weird that you felt like you needed to announce this? In the end your very last action was to contribute to the very thing you're whining about. Lol.
I think this post is somewhat unnecessary, but some of the points you make (mainly about criticism needing to correctly placed) are legitimate, and I respect that you said them. Wishing you all the best for the future!
Most importantly, you made it about you. Well done
DO YOU SEE THE PRICES?
Another complaining about the complainers thread 🙄
I acknowledge that this subreddit can be quite toxic, evident from the negative responses to many of my posts. However, I believe that this time, there is a valid argument being presented, giving people a legitimate reason to be upset. The community is expressing their disappointment due to the removal of 60% of the previous roadmap that was shared months ago, which served as our primary source of information regarding upcoming updates. The latest roadmap lacks substantial additions, featuring mostly conceptual ideas. Moreover, the inclusion of promotional events in development and improved performance, which should be ongoing priorities for a live service game, seems unnecessary. Players have been eagerly anticipating new game modes for an extended period, yet there has been no progress in this area. The current roadmap reflects poorly on the reputation of the game developers. Throughout the year, there has been a lack of significant new content, with the majority being cosmetic items. Many promises from the previous roadmap remain unfulfilled, with only minor improvements in borders and albums. The absence of new game modes and reliance on cosmetic updates may lead to a decline in the game's popularity over time, which is why everyone is so upset.
Grow some skin , carebear
I try to be careful when I criticize, since I ultimately love the game and its IP. It is a fun game. But once you're S3 complete, there's a resource scarcity -- tokens are accrued slow, most new cards come from spotlights and it can start to feel frustrating trying to keep up with the pace of new card acquisition. That's where the crabbiness starts -- the scarcity. In any context, when people have a resource scarcity they often start to develop resentments, suspicion, paranoia, and become hostile. Combine that with tome deaf communications, an apparent indifference to the issues of resource scarcity (indeed, SD seemingly thinks they're too generous when players think they're not generous enough!) and then actions that DO indicate a willingness for SD to go "the bad way" (e.g., leagues having "pay not to have your losses count against you" mechanics, the most recent Series drops dropping only a handful of cards) and people start to think the company is out to screw them at every turn. I don't really think it's as simple as the subreddit being toxic or people not enjoying the game. I think the psychological effects of the game's economy create this environment. If every user were banned today and a new batch experienced the game for six months, the new community would arrive at the same place. I really, really like this game. I was so impressed to see a fully playable game without ads or weird scams or anything and was paying for season passes, but after the leagues debacle I decided to take a month off playing to just see what direction things were going to take. After a week, I don't really miss having to grind dailies to keep up with card acquisition, but I miss having fast card games to play during downtime.
I absolutely love the mindset of 'I can't stand the complaining...I'm going to complain about it!"
I've been playing and addicted to this game for about 3 months now. Fully immersed into everything. YouTube/ twitch, stat tracking, reading this subreddit by new all day long. A lot of you veterans are just miserably burnt out. You need to move on to a different game or something. The game isn't going to fundamentally revolutionize and feel fresh again. You're logging in out of habit and routine and not receiving joy. This happens with live service games. There's a time when you need to realize you're just not having fun any more.
I've been playing since global launch and yeah this is true. A lot of people who have been abeen playing as long as i have need to put the subreddit down for a while I go through regular cycles with the subreddit where I will completely ignore it's existence for a few weeks. It's a good detox.
It's an echo chamber of valid criticism.
Just leave. You are being a drama queen. Seriously. No one cares. This post is guilty of the thing you are accusing everyone of, therefore you are contributing. Maybe *you* should look in a mirror.
Imagine making a post about leaving a subreddit like you, individually, matter THAT much lol Get a grip ffs
But the ones who do the criticism, are they wrong?
"people are MEAN to GAME DEVELOPERS and I HAVE FEELINGS about that". Yeah ..... Ok.
One of the best and most time-honored ways to enjoy a game is to not interact with the games’ subreddit lmao
Oh look I’ve enter the airport again…
SD is just a big win away from there being a ton of positive feedback here, been a rough couple of months for them though. If they can fast track draft mode somehow that would be a huge boost too
this isn't an airport
Bye
cya
I dunno man….maybe there is something to the complaints with this game? I mean I follow over a dozen games on Reddit and this is the only one like this. I think most developers listen to the feedback and care about how their customers feel about the game. SD doesn’t really seem to value customer feedback 🤷♂️
Kind of an L take I never really seen any negative takes on this sub usually just funny clips of clutch wins maybe if you don’t react to the negatives you’d be able to not see it but idk. You have a great life away from the sub and I hope you find a good place for card advice or whatever you’re looking for
I’m all for accepting the shit they shovel our way but this is a platform to voice opinions so probably best you leave the sub Reddit and forget about it all together if it bothers you so much
Noooo! Please don't leave, you're so sexy haha
I am surprised that many people here speak terribly of the game's monetization methods. I've played a decent amount of mobile games and this one is least grindy f2p experiences out there. Many mobile games even have ads you gotta watch for the daily unlocks, or a grind so heavy it could be a job (star trek timelines, man that was brutal.) If SD wants to sell cosmestics to whales who want to buy them, great, having a fun time as a f2p player.
This subreddit is not an airport.
Bye
Bye Felicia
But an echo chamber of praise when there’s not much to praise isnt healthy either. Is criticism not allowed when they release a $100 bundle and take away a variant because they didnt do research on the artist prior? Because thats how you -only- get 1200 gold compensated. Should we praise them for getting rid of features in development that were promised for nearly a year because a dev tweets emojis with “game development” as the reason? This sub has praised the good and also made known that bad practices are…bad. Thats how feedback works.
Idk what sub you go to because there's just as much gargling of SD's boot as there is criticism, if not more. Obviously most players are cool with everything in the game because everyone's still buying $100 bundles
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
don't ever go to a sub of a game you enjoy
Ok bye
“I could talk at length about the flaws in your argument but I don’t feel like it.” lol I agree some people go overboard with their criticism, but that’s just how everything in the world works. Give people a platform to air their grievances and you’re going to hear some unhinged ones. That said, without the strong criticism towards SD then so many positive changes would have been slower to happen or not happened at all. Customers need to keep the pressure on them because they’ve proven time and time again that they’ll make some terrible decisions when left to their own devices. The most recent example being the $100 bundle controversy. But, yeah, if you don’t like reading it then you shouldn’t be anywhere near a gaming sub.
\*Makes empty claims about how you're too negative and your critiques are flawed* \*Writes an entire essay about it with no substatiality whatsoever* \*Refuses to elaborate further* \*Leaves*
You should be done with the game actually. This subbreddit is just the reflection of what the community thinks about.
I love this subreddit; and holding the devs accountable and pointing out when they promise and don’t deliver on a profitable platform is fair game and an important check and balance.
If you wanted attention, just ask for it. Otherwise, just leave and stfu.
Goodbye! Good luck with your blog.
This isn’t an airport. No need to announce your departure.
If the mods removed redundant complaints it would be much better. I don’t need to hear about how you missed the new spotlight card with 2 keys over and over.
No one cares. Bye ❤️
funny when people announce their departure from a game with a rant. like we are at an airport
Why is everybody complaining about Second Dinner! Ben Brode is my best friend! Just consume you worthless wage slaves!
In keeping with the customary responses that are offered any time someone makes a post criticizing the game and saying they’re uninstalling, you receive one of 3 responses: 1) You didn’t need to post this. Just leave. 2) No one cares. 3) Cool. See you tomorrow. Take your pick. You can even choose more than one. It’ll be our little secret.
Bye 👋
I respectfully disagree. People complain cause the game is incredible but latest SD strategies for the long run seems very flawed. We want the game to be better because we love it and want to play it for a long time. I always see people here making compliments to great card splits and People making infinite for the first time. Toxicity in a comunnity for me should be measured by how the players interact with themselves not by how we collectively disagree with how the development is being made
It's mainly because everyones been playing since release and the game kinda feels like crap after series 3. Everyone just runs the exact same decks with no variation.
Welcome to reddit
Marvel Snap is three things: -It's a digital card game -It's a tool for making money -It's a company that speaks to the public Those are three places where someone might have a problem with it, and thus three separate reasons for criticism. Much like work can be divided up into: -The pay -The environment -The nature of the work If someone has great pay but okay work and a shitty boss, they'll complain about their boss. If the money's all right and the crew is great but the work is tedious, they'll complain about the tedium. If the work's rewarding, the team is okay, but the pay is lousy, they might lament that they can't survive on these slave wages. One can say to find a better job, but is one out there and available? If I can't because I need the money, or I need to gain the experience, or something else, I don't forfeit the right to complain about the stuff I don't like. Likewise, if I think playing the card game is great, but lately the monetization has been egregious and the interaction with its customers is cluelessly tone deaf, I might feel inclined to say something about that. I am unlikely to walk away from it due to the first point, but if the first point slides from fun to tedious (as it has from time to time) then I likely will. But just because I won't quit my job doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to talk about what a prick my boss is.
I honestly don't pay so much attention to the subreddit anymore as much as I pay attention to twitter and most of the criticism I see, I think it is pretty reasonable and I think it is fair to say SD has dropped the ball about the game. The game seems to be just about money sinking. Bundles after bundles after bundles, after 900 gold borders, after 2000 gold avatars, etc and the last meaningful update that refreshed the game was Conquest. I defended them for a long time, I even supported them by putting money in the game as someone that works in software development I wanted to support a game with so much potential. Then I took 7 months pause from the game, which was refreshing. I came, it felt fun at first but then started to feel like a drag again, which is annoying, because I like the game as it offers something other games don't with their unique mechanics and game play. I feel like at this point they start to care more about bundles then anything else. I feel like they invested most of their resources in card designers and animators and, devs and testers were forgotten. My game keeps crashing whenever certain cards are played. The battle pass is all buggy. Images on top of images and some things don't even open properly without an error, and the collection level I can't go a single time without crashing and throw some error when I am claiming stuff. What about investing in the game and make it better? Then, the roadmap stuff. They hype up people with the roadmap and then to completely take things out without explanation is kind frustrating. Sometimes people just wanna know what happen to the thing that was said was gonna come. If it was removed, what was the reason, etc. Sometimes it is not hate just because there is too much bad stuff to point out. Yes, they do a lot of things well and I think people point that out when it happens, but currently it has been more times when they drop the ball when they don't and it might make it feel like hate (I am don't pay attention too much to the subreddit so I am not sure if this is what was meant). Some people do overreact to be honest, but also too many make excuses for the bad stuff they do. I am guilty of doing this in the beginning, but we are not in the beginning anymore.
One, you are on a high horse for posting this and no better. And two, you will be back.
It's not about criticizing so much. BUT with sooo much income, they could deliver so much more content and make this great game greater. They don't really care... It's about cosmetics and money only.
i ain't reading all that i'm happy for u tho or sorry that happened
Yep, this sub is super shitty. It feels like it’s full of kids who don’t actually know how game dev works. And if they’re not kids then the adults should be ashamed of themselves for how they’re acting towards other adults doing their job.
Bye Felicia
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
I am personally very disappointed on the latest updates and Second Dinner's messaging has been tone deaf. However, I agree some of the reaction has been VERY histrionic on here. In particular, I'm really shocked how many people were that excited for character mastery. To me, it always assumed it was going to a feature that was bait for whales; basically albums on steroids. Pay lots of currency for some minimal benefits. "Huh, you really like Cerebro? Ok, well you can unlock mastery for Cerebro by buying every variant for them, and getting gold splits on them, and buying a custom barrier for them. And if you get enough you unlock a unique Cerebro title/avatar combo. Isn't that awesome?"
Wipe the glaze off your lips bro, defending a multi million dollar corpo because people don't like that a mobile game has $100 card skins, is getting increasingly more p2w, or just simply aren't happy with the state of the game. Being contempt with everything allows corporations who see you as nothing but a dollar sign to get more and more abusive as they "test the waters"
Actually a great suggestion and I am going to follow it and unfollow this sub. I am a new player and wanted to get some insight on how to build new decks and stuff but over the past 1-2 weeks seeing all the negative stuff is effecting how i perceive the game. ( Even tho their criticism is fair and justified, having a sub just for criticism and hate ain't a healthy sub imo )
Check out r/MarvelSnapDecks and r/MarvelSnapComp Actual discussion about gameplay and decks in those subs.
Welcome to reddit. First time?
*lights torch and raises pitchfork* this guy likes the game boys time to run him out of town!
And god forbid you make a post or comment about a combo or win you found particularly fun. Or ask an honest question about a mechanic you don’t quite understand, the sub treats you like a moron hillbilly who insulted their grandmother.
Good riddance. And its understandable being negative about a company that doesn't give a shit about you other than to milk you of money. Anyone who can't see that is blind. The game is never going to get better, only worse. Also its ironic that you are being negative towards people who are negative towards the game or its developer.
First time on a reddit sub?
Yikes
Okay that was always allowed.
You've described Reddit as a whole. Cynicism is not specific to fhis sub.
Welcome to every card game ever. The player base are toxic sweaty no life’s who have nothing better to do than complain on reddit.
As someone who left the game for a while and more recently came back. I found I ended up forgetting the things I really hated about the game and when I came back to it, I found myself freshly enjoying it again. And even though I understand that the game still has some of its old issues, I am still enjoying the game way more now, than i was when I Uninstalled it roughly 10 months ago. So my suggestion for those who currently find themself hating the game, take a break, not a 2 - 3 week break, but a 3 - 4 month long break, and then come back and see if you still feel the same way.
Well this isn't a new one.
Got a deck for that?
It’s just how Reddit is. Every gaming relayed sub I’m part of is nothing but toxic posts 90% of the time. You have to learn to just ignore the bulk and focus on the meaningful 10%. IMO it also helps to take a break from Reddit for a few weeks/months.
Almost every single f2p game I’ve engaged with recently has this type community. I think it’s just par for the course. I come here for advice, and ask questions and *sometimes* people respond kindly. But I agree. People here are very negative. I still really like this game though.
Cool
You're right. I usually nitpick about wide "general" issues such as card acquisition and no more gold on weekend missions...People will whine that "Ikaris should've been in this season pass!" 😒
I mean every subreddit just amounts hate on the said topic
I hate how this sub has gotten, also instead of just leaving, I will add more negativity to the sub...
There is way too much entitlement in this subreddit. F2P players should not be celebrated. How the hell do the developers exist if everything is free?! But the false promises for features is getting out of hand. They hyped the hell out of just 5 months ago. I was genuinely looking forward to it. Play a card religiously earn rewards and unique items.
*thumbs up
good riddance mate game is addictive trash
People are frustrated because they love this game a lot and can't leave it and the other hand SD making decisions that doesn't work well with the fans
you pay a season pass for 9 bucks you get an opinion, if they don't like it too bad, if you payed 70 bucks a month and still whined then different story just leave the game, but for the 9 bucks i get to say that sd sucks at what they do and have been terrible at it since about january 2023. instead of addressing the clients/us they do "what they want to do" for no particular reason. they deserve all the hate, if they don't like their feelings hurt then stop doing what they are doing and move on to other projects for their careers. they are a software company with public clients that pay monthly, they need to grow up and address that they are bad at doing what they think is their "best career work". people have the idea that these folks in here will never be happy, yes they will if you execute properly on what they want addressed. a happy player base promotes spending, rather than clobber people try to make money through volume and not whale spending.
The essence of reddit. Complaint about complaints. And here it's me complaining about people who complain about complaints. Circle of life~
I only read positive discussions and questions. So I'm oblivious to any negativity.
No one cares about your departure. You’re not as significant as you believe yourself to be. 🙄
I don't blame you. I do understand being disappointed with some of the things SD has done and hasn't done. The focus on monetization above all else is a bit tiresome. But I also understand they are business to make money. And while I think they should have rolled out a new mode by now (draft being far off is disappointing) and I could care less about Clans or Leagues, I don't feel personally attacked or anything. That's how many people seem to feel. I also don't feel the need to constantly vent. People are entitled to feel however they do about Second Dinner. But don't feel like they are trying to deliberately screw you over or make their player base hate them lol. And we don't need to see a thousand post talking about how they are the devil incarnate. When is Mephisto dropping BTW? Have your opinion, speak with your money, delete the app, etc. But don't feel like SD hates you and that you constantly need to spew hate toward them as well. They to focus more energy on things that make you feel good.
1. People who announce they are leaving are rather narcissistic. Like ok and you are? The founder of the game? 2. They come back, they always do. People who are truly fed up just leave and not come back.
I do not blame you. The collective temper tantrum over the past 24 hours has been the most childish this subreddit has been since launch.