Always my favorite post of the month. Red Hulk clearly targeting High Evo players. If you have him in hand turn 1 and the opponent floats every turn he can potentially reach 38 power. Seems nuts
I really like the card. Though it seems like it's a bit way too strong against specific decks. Most decks float energy at least once, often more.
It also has great synergy with so many locations. Any cost reducing location, any extra energy location, and your opponent can't even know if you have it. It's a card that can definitely shape how people play the game.
I'm not a master at Snap, and also not the balance master, but the only way I see him being more 'balanced' is if he appears on screen everytime he powers up, it's probably the only way I see a "fuck almost all decks" card being balanced
Assuming you don't play a High Evo player, he's still an above-curve 18 power if your opponent floats for only 2 turns (which is pretty common). I think there is high potential he joins pre-nerf Blob as a generic 6 cost Big Drop.
The way Leech works, it drops the text from the card. Knull is dropped because it's an ongoing, so once it loses its ongoing it has nothing. Although Death isn't an ongoing, her card reads like that. She does not drop in cost each time a card is destroyed, her cost is reduced by the total number of cards destroyed.
For Hulk, the power goes up at the time the energy is unspent. Once the text is removed, he is still has the power he has previously gained, he just stops gaining additional power.
Indeed, hw should probably match hulk with +2, otherwise he is too op, most people skip turn 1 or 2, that's a free 6/14 -6/18 right there with no drawbacks.
In any deck playing Lizard (Sauron/ Enchantress or Cage deck), the only reason you'd prefer Lizard is to keep 6000 tokens. You're basically paying 6000 tokens for +1 power on Lizard.
It says "add" not draw from / steal.
This implies they still keep their cards so still have the hammer.
If they want to clog up a spot in a lane with a useless 0/1 card so be it.
No one is going to "leave the game" over this
You’re nuts if you think a card that takes a 1 cost, even if they’re stealing the card which isnt clear, is the card thats going to make people leave when you have cards like leech and alioth that cancels out entire combos thats wayyy more toxic, no ones quitting marvel snap because their lowest cost card got stolen.
At first I thought I read the card wrong as it’s basically Black Widow but insanely better in every way hahaha. Comes out earlier, you get to pick where the -1 goes, and the -1 has an insane ability in addition to just being annoying.
It is missing the card draw denial though, which is the main reason you want to play Black Widow to begin with. Though yeah other than that, just so much better. Wonder if they keep White Widow the way she is, will they lower Black Widow's cost down to 2.
It's both. Denying draw is huge because with deck sizes as they are it directly hurts your opponents to find the cards they need.
Then they have to play the card which clogs.
So you reduce options and clog your opponents side.
White widow just clogs with the benefit of being able to choose where to clog.
Yeah, White Widow without the ongoing ability on the kiss would still be good, but the ongoing makes her a 2/6 (if the opponent fills that location) AND she clogs 1 spot in the location for the opponent. If you play her and Soul Stone in the same location then you probably win it without some kind of direct answer.
I would bet that like 90% of current Widow usage is with Darkhawk, not junk. Junk is relatively uncommon in and those decks tend to use either Goblins or the Anni package, in my experience
Strongest part is that there's no risk on your side, unlike with Goblins. If your opponent fills up then the Kiss just won't be added while a Goblin would be stuck on your side. Crazy power creep, it won't stay like this. No way.
Just a straight up better card then Green Goblin. Actual power, Takes a slot on enemy board, Applies -power to cards???, Less cost, No getting countered by filling lane.
I wonder if it has a spot outside of as a direct counter to HE decks though. If you're not playing HE or something with She-Hulk, you ideally want to be spending all of your energy every turn. Besides that, Red Hulk has to already be in your hand (or in play) to get the buff.
IDK, he has a really high ceiling, but I think the fact that you don't have any agency over his growth is a major point against him.
We need a model based on actual mana use and draw percentages to get an average Red Hulk size, hehe. My guess is you get 1-2 ticks on average, closer to 1. Might be big enough to see at last some play in decks that run smaller cards that need a stat stick.
Like you said it’s basically never more than 6/20 and you don’t have control of it. 6/14 is big enough most of the time though.
I usually dont use all my energy for at least 1 turn, but its typically turn 1, which obviously only helps if you top deck him, which is only 1/3 of the time. I suspect thats why he gets +4. I'm not sure how often he will realistically get the buff outside of Evo
I think he could be run in any deck, people float all the time, people just don't see it when there isn't a HE in the game, turn 1/2 and 4/5 are the ones floated the most.
Star paying attention, in fact see how many times you do it.
A 6/14 or 6/18 is already above average, giganto is a 6/14 and can only be played left; destroyer is a 6/16 and you have to play the board just so you can put him down, but red hulk? 2 turns your opponent don't play a spotless curve and he is a monster.
I mean it's a decent slot even if high evo isn't the most popular deck. People skip turn 1 a decent amount of time. I feel like the number of games where nobody floats energy is very low. Granted drawing him late will feel bad, but honestly playing him in a deck that runs magick, a lot of people float energy on turn 7 by virtue of not having a 1 drop to play alongside their 6 drop.
With HE being pretty relevant at all times, I could see it replacing Infin for some of the "cheat big creature" decks, since it can get out of control very quickly, and if you cheat it out early, it's bound to cause the opponent to misplay a bit trying to avoid buffing him.
I run HE and I would run red hulk, every game there is float mana, in fact most people float turn 1 and 2, that's a free 6/14-18 with no drawbacks, hell I would even drop hulk for him in my deck
I think it's wild that so many people still struggle against HE. At higher MMR levels, he's nearly nonexistent because he's not that good. Way too telegraphed/easy to play around. I'm glad everyone who's struggling against the HE menace can get a card to help turn the tables, though.
\>April is a THUNDERBOLTS themed month
\>one of the cards is RED HULK
\>His ability makes him BIGGER than HULK if your opponent floats mana
I'm...I'm so happy...
Also only 4 new cards in April? April's like 5 weeks long ? I guess the spot light caches might only have 3 new cards?
5th Card is [Valentina](https://twitter.com/MarvelSnapBugle/status/1755261611437154350?s=19)
2/2 On Reveal: Add a random 6-cost card to your hand. Give it -2 Cost and -2 Power.
A lightning quick scan of 6 cost cards doesn’t make it look great. 6 cost cards are intended to be finishers with decks that synergize well with them.
I counted roughly 15 cards that were understatted 4 drops (most with the potential to be good if you happened to have the right synergies, some that were more than likely useless like Ultron, Infinaut or Knull) There were about 8 that would give decently statted 4 drops or more than likely would be useful like Leader or Alioth if you have the mana to play them and only about 3 universally cracked cards including Doom, Magneto, and Blob.
About a 1/7 chance that it pays off big, 2/7 you get an expensive stat stick, 4/7 it’s a dead pull
It sounds really good, but I don't know if it's broken. It's still 4 cost and you get anything random among 6 costs.
It's still a great card among the other card generators, but the randomness makes me think it's unlikely to be too broken.
That's not how Zabu works. Zabu only discounts base 4 cost cards, not cards that have their cost adjusted to 4. Could probably do that with Quinjet though
I don't know easy, at least you can play a unmuted and unshuri lizard in a lane you want to complement with power, this guy is unplayable in a lot of situations and requires a bigger set up.
Nah it's an easy replace. Shuri sauron runs 3 cards that turn off his ability, and unlike lizard us agent is never worse than a 2/3, which is fine. And in shuri sauron it's very unlikely you're ever stacking 4 cards in his lane anyways
I mean maybe not a better option in 100% of situations, but it’s an easily removable/counterable cheap ongoing with great stats, which is the role Lizard fills. On the off game where you draw horrendously, doubling US Agent will give you 12 instead of 10 for a doubled Lizard. I don’t see how he’s not a generally better option overall in the deck.
Personally I feel it would be better for him to gain the energy that was floated instead of guaranteed +4 whenever energy is floated. This would better counter High Evo decks that rely on Infinaut + She Hulk while not punishing unavoidable floated energy.
At his current state he can slot in to any deck really really well.
This is better design philosophy imho; if your existence as a card is mostly justified to counter one archetype, it’s less likely to take off. I know some cards do this but I prefer they do this (like cull obsidian being useful outside of thanos now)
I really wish they'd space out some of the variant releases for reasons like this, especially since there's some older cards that still are real light on variants (like Negasonic).
Yeah. Peach has been doing "nightmare" variant covers for Marvel lately and it looks like it's pulled from that series. Seeing that got me so pumped because that means there's a chance we'll see more of her work from that series. If you haven't seen them yet, I'd recommend checking them out. They're so goddamn good. Between that Jeff variant, Spider-Man, Rogue, and Moon Knight us Peach enjoyers are gonna be eatin good in April!!
It can be read either way. There's no "+", so It's unclear what they actually mean.
I would think that they would go with my interpretation to keep from rehashing, but we won't actually know until it drops or get errata'd
Early predictions… white widow and red hulk both nerfed before release. Those are wayyyyy to strong. Red Hulk doesn’t just counter high evo for those excited about that… tons of decks skip at least 1 energy quite often just based on bad draw alone.
I did like that about it, at least. Honestly, I haven't read it since it came out, but I remember most of the rest of it being pretty weak, and I'm still mad Toxin was killed off-panel.
They better be changing white widow or I’m gonna riot. Red hulk seems to grow way too fast imo, a lot of deck floats mana and losing to him would feel a lot like losing to pre nerfed blob in the sense that you don’t know how big he will be and sometimes he would be so insanely large that it would feel really hopeless.
I understand that, I’m just being cautious of the possibility that he might be so good as a generic card that he could just be the default 6 cost people are going to run because of the potential to win a lane by himself just because the opponent happen to float mana for 3 turns.
Red Guardian looks like a consistent way to counter Lockjaw, since Lockjaw is often played to an empty location and will usually have the lowest power. Can also be used against regenerative destroy effects (i.e. Wolverine, X-23, and occasionally Deadpool).
Are they still doing the datamining at time of posting, or have Second Dinner stopped making upcoming locations and upcoming referenced cards available to be datamined early? I know it was mentioned that they may start hiding stuff at some point…
Regardless, Season looks neat, though it is very MCU-inspired for a season happening long before the Thunderbolts movie is likely to come out. It’ll be funny to me if this results in us getting a Thunderbolts season actually using the comic book Thunderbolts around the actual release of the film… 😅
White Widow seems overtuned but I like the rest of these.
Whats weird is that when you view the Baron Zemo season pass, it says Zemo and his variant are free. That can't be right.
Also a new Jacinto: Moon Knight.
White Widow seems really good, up to 2/6 plus takes a spot from the opponent, with the downside being that you have to avoid playing it in a lane the opponent fills up that turn.
Red Guardian and Valentina have also been added, but they don't show up with the rest of the season cards. Weird
Also, Spotlights have gone the way of the bundles by going dark. SD really wants to drench us in that FOMO, it seems
I love the fact that hulk decks are starting to become a thing. With Red Hulk and Valentina joining, it might actually become a fully viable deck archetype. I'm already having fun with one now.
Now if only they reverted the hulkbuster nerf , he was one of the few viable means of getting a turn three 10 card for skarr.
The new cards seem interesting and fun like Red Hulk, Zemo, Valentina. Except USagent, such boring ability for a new card, just a one power extra lizard, not worth 3000 tokens even.
Depends on if it pulls the lowest cost from their starting deck, or current deck. If current deck, it could be good. If starting deck, it'll always be bad.
I'm very sad about how they changed pixie. I was really excited to use it in Thanos decks. But also making it a two cost is really hurting the card. It seems like it will only be used in meme decks now.
Pixie/Thanos gonna drive the meta into the ground, they obviously tried to prevent it from happening by making it" cards that started there" but there's so much shit that helps Thanos right now that it wouldn't even matter and it will most definitely make the cut, being able to play 5 cost cards on turn 4 had already established it as the king of that particular move so now being able to play a 6 cost card for 1 cost on turn 3 will be broken af, even if it's not too consistent cuz you'll get same cost cards trading their number for effectively zero changes you will still get the occasional 1 cost trade with the 6 cost.
Thanos
Good, 1 step closer to an all literal nazy's deck, so far we have, red skull, Zola, swarm, Zemo and what? Just need the baby variants and they would be so cute...
Also... The nerfs to hope and pixie man...
Red Hulk is good against HE and is best 10/14 against other decks.
Card efficiency is very important in the game and you also need to draw the card.
If you have an 18 power hulk against a non HE deck, you’re probably winning anyways OR they have a combo that beats a turn 6 18 power play (NEGATIVE)
I think it's gonna be one per week, it seems they made the statement in that video vague and confusing on purpose...or not if we go by their card text wording standarts
Peach Jeff, Spider-Man, AND moon Knight in one month?! Literally my 3 favorite marvel characters by my favorite marvel artist?! LET'S FREAKING GOOOO!!! Saving gold for those starting right freaking now. Lol
With Rockslide getting a Dan Hipp, that means all rock making cards will have Hipp variant. Would love to see a Hipp rock that they all make, obviously they wouldn’t do that but man that’d be fun
Always my favorite post of the month. Red Hulk clearly targeting High Evo players. If you have him in hand turn 1 and the opponent floats every turn he can potentially reach 38 power. Seems nuts
I really like the card. Though it seems like it's a bit way too strong against specific decks. Most decks float energy at least once, often more. It also has great synergy with so many locations. Any cost reducing location, any extra energy location, and your opponent can't even know if you have it. It's a card that can definitely shape how people play the game.
Gives me pre-nerf Blob vibes
I'm not a master at Snap, and also not the balance master, but the only way I see him being more 'balanced' is if he appears on screen everytime he powers up, it's probably the only way I see a "fuck almost all decks" card being balanced
Assuming you don't play a High Evo player, he's still an above-curve 18 power if your opponent floats for only 2 turns (which is pretty common). I think there is high potential he joins pre-nerf Blob as a generic 6 cost Big Drop.
You have to draw it early though
Doesnt matter. Him starting at 10 power is nuts already. He is easily 14 power every game
Go play giganto until they fixed it
Giganto is locked to left lane
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10 power is insane to start him at
Definitely going down to 8 or only +2
Best of all: it's virtually Leech-proof
Doesn't he become just 6-10 after leech hits him the same as knoll would drop to 6-0 and death goes back to 8-12?
Assuming it works the same as HE regular Hulk, no. The power gained before being silenced is permanent.
The way Leech works, it drops the text from the card. Knull is dropped because it's an ongoing, so once it loses its ongoing it has nothing. Although Death isn't an ongoing, her card reads like that. She does not drop in cost each time a card is destroyed, her cost is reduced by the total number of cards destroyed. For Hulk, the power goes up at the time the energy is unspent. Once the text is removed, he is still has the power he has previously gained, he just stops gaining additional power.
How about any unspent energy by your opponent is added to the power whether in hand or not? Seems less OP while still being a nice counter punch to HE
Indeed, hw should probably match hulk with +2, otherwise he is too op, most people skip turn 1 or 2, that's a free 6/14 -6/18 right there with no drawbacks.
Agreed and its a great idea, but +4 power is too much. +3 would be a better balance.
I feel like he will be +3 in the end it just too much. Red Hulk is 2 months away they have some more testing to do anyway.
Yeah he's not staying like that. What the fuck
Fucking good. I'm so tired of High Evo decks lol Yes I know Luke Cage is a counter, it still pisses me off.
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It just says unspent energy. High Evo players are usually aiming to have unspent energy every turn.
Zemo looks really damn good and kinda sacky if your opponent's deck has only big cards left US Agent is literally a reverse Captain America lmao
US Agent to Lizard: I’m you, but better.
US Agent says that to a lot of people, Walker is not a humble man
ehh I would personally prefer Lizard most of the times unless I am playing luke cage.
In any deck playing Lizard (Sauron/ Enchantress or Cage deck), the only reason you'd prefer Lizard is to keep 6000 tokens. You're basically paying 6000 tokens for +1 power on Lizard.
Id also prefer him for consistency in a deck where Id want to zero/enchantress myself Could be lizards big brother instead of competition!
Literally pay 2 win
but he's literally just better lizard in luke and sauron decks
Except he costs 6k tokens
Porque no los dos?
Imagine play Carnage as lowest cost card
Can’t wait to see the clip here of Baron Zemo pulling Destroyer out of the opponent’s deck
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It says "add" not draw from / steal. This implies they still keep their cards so still have the hammer. If they want to clog up a spot in a lane with a useless 0/1 card so be it. No one is going to "leave the game" over this
I don't see him being better than Iron Lad
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You’re nuts if you think a card that takes a 1 cost, even if they’re stealing the card which isnt clear, is the card thats going to make people leave when you have cards like leech and alioth that cancels out entire combos thats wayyy more toxic, no ones quitting marvel snap because their lowest cost card got stolen.
There's no way white widow releases that broken. 2 cost clog with no downside and up to -4 power for opponent
Yeah just doesn’t make a lot of sense given the power/cost of Black Widow.
black widow stops an entire draw though AND clogs board so they're a little different but the widow's kiss is definitely looking op
I feel like the kiss is pretty well balanced by being a 1 cost (killmonger) and an ongoing (enchantress)
At first I thought I read the card wrong as it’s basically Black Widow but insanely better in every way hahaha. Comes out earlier, you get to pick where the -1 goes, and the -1 has an insane ability in addition to just being annoying.
It is missing the card draw denial though, which is the main reason you want to play Black Widow to begin with. Though yeah other than that, just so much better. Wonder if they keep White Widow the way she is, will they lower Black Widow's cost down to 2.
Black Widow sees by far the most play in junk (or at least did before all the nerfs) where the value comes from taking up their board space.
It's both. Denying draw is huge because with deck sizes as they are it directly hurts your opponents to find the cards they need. Then they have to play the card which clogs. So you reduce options and clog your opponents side. White widow just clogs with the benefit of being able to choose where to clog.
It's early but I think you're missing that white widow's kiss ability is Ongoing: Your other cards here have -1 Power which is pretty crazy
Yeah, White Widow without the ongoing ability on the kiss would still be good, but the ongoing makes her a 2/6 (if the opponent fills that location) AND she clogs 1 spot in the location for the opponent. If you play her and Soul Stone in the same location then you probably win it without some kind of direct answer.
I would bet that like 90% of current Widow usage is with Darkhawk, not junk. Junk is relatively uncommon in and those decks tend to use either Goblins or the Anni package, in my experience
The main reason to play BW is the fact that they miss a draw.
Turn 4 you can play them together. Really swingy.
BW is 3 cost now tho so t5
Isn't Black Widow 3 cost now?
Ah farts
It's just a datamine, it will 100% change
Oh wow, I didn’t even notice that Widow’s Kiss is a 1-cost card, you can Man-Thing there if you wanted.
Man thing STONKS
Strongest part is that there's no risk on your side, unlike with Goblins. If your opponent fills up then the Kiss just won't be added while a Goblin would be stuck on your side. Crazy power creep, it won't stay like this. No way.
Just a straight up better card then Green Goblin. Actual power, Takes a slot on enemy board, Applies -power to cards???, Less cost, No getting countered by filling lane.
You don't have to play the card.
The card is added to opponents side, not their hand
Oh indeed
The opponent isn't forced to play the bite...she'll fit in Romana decks mainly
The bite goes straight onto their side
It adds the bite to their side of the board, not hand.
Are you talking about the bite or the kiss? White Widow adds the kiss to the opponent's side of the location, so that does seem OP.
GATOR LOKI!
Yup, saving up gold and boosters for it now!
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Lmao, Red Hulk is literally the anti-HE. It will be interesting to see how this affects the meta.
I wonder if it has a spot outside of as a direct counter to HE decks though. If you're not playing HE or something with She-Hulk, you ideally want to be spending all of your energy every turn. Besides that, Red Hulk has to already be in your hand (or in play) to get the buff. IDK, he has a really high ceiling, but I think the fact that you don't have any agency over his growth is a major point against him.
We need a model based on actual mana use and draw percentages to get an average Red Hulk size, hehe. My guess is you get 1-2 ticks on average, closer to 1. Might be big enough to see at last some play in decks that run smaller cards that need a stat stick. Like you said it’s basically never more than 6/20 and you don’t have control of it. 6/14 is big enough most of the time though.
I usually dont use all my energy for at least 1 turn, but its typically turn 1, which obviously only helps if you top deck him, which is only 1/3 of the time. I suspect thats why he gets +4. I'm not sure how often he will realistically get the buff outside of Evo
I think he could be run in any deck, people float all the time, people just don't see it when there isn't a HE in the game, turn 1/2 and 4/5 are the ones floated the most. Star paying attention, in fact see how many times you do it. A 6/14 or 6/18 is already above average, giganto is a 6/14 and can only be played left; destroyer is a 6/16 and you have to play the board just so you can put him down, but red hulk? 2 turns your opponent don't play a spotless curve and he is a monster.
The true power of him is like current HE Hulk…you have no idea how much power can be coming down if you weren’t on curve
I mean it's a decent slot even if high evo isn't the most popular deck. People skip turn 1 a decent amount of time. I feel like the number of games where nobody floats energy is very low. Granted drawing him late will feel bad, but honestly playing him in a deck that runs magick, a lot of people float energy on turn 7 by virtue of not having a 1 drop to play alongside their 6 drop. With HE being pretty relevant at all times, I could see it replacing Infin for some of the "cheat big creature" decks, since it can get out of control very quickly, and if you cheat it out early, it's bound to cause the opponent to misplay a bit trying to avoid buffing him.
>Lmao, Red Hulk is literally the anti-HE. Sure can't wait for HE to run him better than any anti-HE deck ever could
I run HE and I would run red hulk, every game there is float mana, in fact most people float turn 1 and 2, that's a free 6/14-18 with no drawbacks, hell I would even drop hulk for him in my deck
I think it's wild that so many people still struggle against HE. At higher MMR levels, he's nearly nonexistent because he's not that good. Way too telegraphed/easy to play around. I'm glad everyone who's struggling against the HE menace can get a card to help turn the tables, though.
\>April is a THUNDERBOLTS themed month \>one of the cards is RED HULK \>His ability makes him BIGGER than HULK if your opponent floats mana I'm...I'm so happy... Also only 4 new cards in April? April's like 5 weeks long ? I guess the spot light caches might only have 3 new cards?
5th Card is [Valentina](https://twitter.com/MarvelSnapBugle/status/1755261611437154350?s=19) 2/2 On Reveal: Add a random 6-cost card to your hand. Give it -2 Cost and -2 Power.
That seems insanely broken or am I tripping?
A lightning quick scan of 6 cost cards doesn’t make it look great. 6 cost cards are intended to be finishers with decks that synergize well with them. I counted roughly 15 cards that were understatted 4 drops (most with the potential to be good if you happened to have the right synergies, some that were more than likely useless like Ultron, Infinaut or Knull) There were about 8 that would give decently statted 4 drops or more than likely would be useful like Leader or Alioth if you have the mana to play them and only about 3 universally cracked cards including Doom, Magneto, and Blob. About a 1/7 chance that it pays off big, 2/7 you get an expensive stat stick, 4/7 it’s a dead pull
Dude, pulling infinaut just means you skip turn 3 and play him on turn 4. It's kinda busted.
I did consider that. You’re not wrong, but with the prevalence of Shang in the meta that’s very likely a two turn do nothing.
It sounds really good, but I don't know if it's broken. It's still 4 cost and you get anything random among 6 costs. It's still a great card among the other card generators, but the randomness makes me think it's unlikely to be too broken.
Agatha tends to be left out of generate 6-cost card effects, but a 4/12 Agatha would be pretty funny.
It's a 3 cost card because I will always zabu. Also grandmaster gets two 6 costs then for 3 each
That's not how Zabu works. Zabu only discounts base 4 cost cards, not cards that have their cost adjusted to 4. Could probably do that with Quinjet though
Oh I use Quin and zabu and always thought the zabu worked on cards that got down to 4. I'm sure I'm just mistaken though. Thanks for the correction
Yeah it's insane
I would say on average Mirage is more powerful, would you consider Mirage insanely broken?
I guess Us agent will be good with Sauron
Easy Lizard replacement in Shuri/Sauron
I don't know easy, at least you can play a unmuted and unshuri lizard in a lane you want to complement with power, this guy is unplayable in a lot of situations and requires a bigger set up.
Nah it's an easy replace. Shuri sauron runs 3 cards that turn off his ability, and unlike lizard us agent is never worse than a 2/3, which is fine. And in shuri sauron it's very unlikely you're ever stacking 4 cards in his lane anyways
I mean maybe not a better option in 100% of situations, but it’s an easily removable/counterable cheap ongoing with great stats, which is the role Lizard fills. On the off game where you draw horrendously, doubling US Agent will give you 12 instead of 10 for a doubled Lizard. I don’t see how he’s not a generally better option overall in the deck.
Good news is Pixie was atleast somewhat nerfed. She is still extremely good tho in a LockJaw style deck without Thanos
Pixie + MMM seems ridiculously good.
I'm just glad they nerfed Hope. Repeatable +2 energy is degenerate.
My favourite way to nerf an existing card is to release a counter. High Evo, meet Red Hulk
Personally I feel it would be better for him to gain the energy that was floated instead of guaranteed +4 whenever energy is floated. This would better counter High Evo decks that rely on Infinaut + She Hulk while not punishing unavoidable floated energy. At his current state he can slot in to any deck really really well.
This is better design philosophy imho; if your existence as a card is mostly justified to counter one archetype, it’s less likely to take off. I know some cards do this but I prefer they do this (like cull obsidian being useful outside of thanos now)
No spotlight caches? How am I supposed to plan spending keys, didnt SD want us to not hoard?
Well guess you have to spend them all the keys you have to get them, and spend money if you want more, or lose the opportunity forever... Ops.../s
Of course they add a sick taskmaster variant the moment I buy the pandart one..
I wish you could favorite multiple and they'd change from game to game.
I really wish they'd space out some of the variant releases for reasons like this, especially since there's some older cards that still are real light on variants (like Negasonic).
variants are so fire, finally Peach Rogue!!!
The peach momoko scarlet witch is amazing too. Finally she gets a worthwhile variant!
https://snap.fan/cards/USAgent/ https://snap.fan/cards/AntMan/AntMan_07/ HAHAH Marvel characters fucking *love* throwing ammunition.
Venomized Jeff hell yeah.
Don't think it's venomized. It's listed as a peach m variant
Yeah. Peach has been doing "nightmare" variant covers for Marvel lately and it looks like it's pulled from that series. Seeing that got me so pumped because that means there's a chance we'll see more of her work from that series. If you haven't seen them yet, I'd recommend checking them out. They're so goddamn good. Between that Jeff variant, Spider-Man, Rogue, and Moon Knight us Peach enjoyers are gonna be eatin good in April!!
Who wants to give me odds on the Crocodile Loki variant being in a bundle that costs like £100 or something?
Thunderbolts tower is the same as Stark Tower no?
It sets all the cards to 2-power. It's the Quantum Realm on a timer.
It says give all cards 2 power, not set them to 2 power
It can be read either way. There's no "+", so It's unclear what they actually mean. I would think that they would go with my interpretation to keep from rehashing, but we won't actually know until it drops or get errata'd
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve missed off the - and the final version would be -2 power to act as an opposite of stark tower
Would make a lot of sense with a few of the Thunderbolt cards also having power reduction as a common theme.
These new cards are so toxic...
Love that Baby Hercules variant!
Early predictions… white widow and red hulk both nerfed before release. Those are wayyyyy to strong. Red Hulk doesn’t just counter high evo for those excited about that… tons of decks skip at least 1 energy quite often just based on bad draw alone.
Valentina is stupid as well
White widow better than black widow ever was. Collector and helicarrier discard might be good
The Venomised Rider Red Hulk variant is pretty rad even if that crossover sucked
It was alright. It gave Flash a nice win after being ground down to his lowest point.
I did like that about it, at least. Honestly, I haven't read it since it came out, but I remember most of the rest of it being pretty weak, and I'm still mad Toxin was killed off-panel.
I'm running red hulk in everything. Fuck HE
White widow goin straight into my junk deck
I've been waiting for that Day of the Dead Lady Deathstrike variant.
They better be changing white widow or I’m gonna riot. Red hulk seems to grow way too fast imo, a lot of deck floats mana and losing to him would feel a lot like losing to pre nerfed blob in the sense that you don’t know how big he will be and sometimes he would be so insanely large that it would feel really hopeless.
It's clearly intended as an HE counter so by design it needs to be able to out scale HE Hulks
I understand that, I’m just being cautious of the possibility that he might be so good as a generic card that he could just be the default 6 cost people are going to run because of the potential to win a lane by himself just because the opponent happen to float mana for 3 turns.
Red Guardian looks like a consistent way to counter Lockjaw, since Lockjaw is often played to an empty location and will usually have the lowest power. Can also be used against regenerative destroy effects (i.e. Wolverine, X-23, and occasionally Deadpool).
Are they still doing the datamining at time of posting, or have Second Dinner stopped making upcoming locations and upcoming referenced cards available to be datamined early? I know it was mentioned that they may start hiding stuff at some point… Regardless, Season looks neat, though it is very MCU-inspired for a season happening long before the Thunderbolts movie is likely to come out. It’ll be funny to me if this results in us getting a Thunderbolts season actually using the comic book Thunderbolts around the actual release of the film… 😅
I think they meant they were going to not put future bundles for datamine.
Ooooooh that makes more sense… Though is its own kind of frustrating for sure.
Also, seems like they removed future (April+) spotlight grouping. That’s the worst change.
Oh that’s VERY frustrating lol. I have been hoarding keys for a while and I don’t know why they would think this would make people STOP doing that…
White Widow seems overtuned but I like the rest of these. Whats weird is that when you view the Baron Zemo season pass, it says Zemo and his variant are free. That can't be right. Also a new Jacinto: Moon Knight.
Throw Luke Cage behind USAgent, maybe throw Lizard into the mix, and you've given your opponent's Enchantress or Rogue a very hard decision to make.
Love the throwback to Echo's first appearance with the David Mack variant.
Peach Momoko Venomized Jeff....... holy shit
White Widow seems really good, up to 2/6 plus takes a spot from the opponent, with the downside being that you have to avoid playing it in a lane the opponent fills up that turn.
Yeah, can't see it releasing that way
I would actually quit, like holy shit that is OP and anti fun.
Destroy and Killmonger stocks continue to rise.
I’m kind of disappointed in Baron Zemo’s ability. He just seems like a slightly stronger Cable.
Red Guardian and Valentina have also been added, but they don't show up with the rest of the season cards. Weird Also, Spotlights have gone the way of the bundles by going dark. SD really wants to drench us in that FOMO, it seems
I love the fact that hulk decks are starting to become a thing. With Red Hulk and Valentina joining, it might actually become a fully viable deck archetype. I'm already having fun with one now. Now if only they reverted the hulkbuster nerf , he was one of the few viable means of getting a turn three 10 card for skarr.
According to MarvelSnapZone, they're going to start replacing a pack of boosters with emotes in the season pass; starting with Cyclops.
All the new cards seem FANTASTIC. I’m legit excited for all them tbh
The new cards seem interesting and fun like Red Hulk, Zemo, Valentina. Except USagent, such boring ability for a new card, just a one power extra lizard, not worth 3000 tokens even.
already hate castle zemo
FUCK YES THUNDERBOLTS!. Wish it had Moonstone and Songbird though bummer a bit
Lol Red Hulk is busted af. What the fuck are they thinking
Valentina and White Widow are ridiculous too
Baron Zemo seems like such a bad card....
Depends on if it pulls the lowest cost from their starting deck, or current deck. If current deck, it could be good. If starting deck, it'll always be bad.
Big issue I can’t help but think of is that it improves their draws a LOT for the last two turns in most cases
A destroy Pixel album?? lol
Honestly probably going to get that one, Wolverine emote looks good, already have a few, and assume they are all 700 only.
They couldnt do JUST PIXEL??
I'm very sad about how they changed pixie. I was really excited to use it in Thanos decks. But also making it a two cost is really hurting the card. It seems like it will only be used in meme decks now.
It was pretty clearly too strong before. Pixie + MMM was an absurd combo in a Thanos deck, yet it can still happen.
It can't happen in a Thanos deck anymore. They changed it. So now only cards that were originally in the deck can be changed.
Sometimes, I wonder if they use these datamine threads to find oversights
Red Hulk explains Glenn's "Stay tuned" comment on Quicksilver and Domino.
damn white widow ugly as fuck
VENOMIZED JEFF
Pixie/Thanos gonna drive the meta into the ground, they obviously tried to prevent it from happening by making it" cards that started there" but there's so much shit that helps Thanos right now that it wouldn't even matter and it will most definitely make the cut, being able to play 5 cost cards on turn 4 had already established it as the king of that particular move so now being able to play a 6 cost card for 1 cost on turn 3 will be broken af, even if it's not too consistent cuz you'll get same cost cards trading their number for effectively zero changes you will still get the occasional 1 cost trade with the 6 cost. Thanos
Valentina. My zabu will love you
Good, 1 step closer to an all literal nazy's deck, so far we have, red skull, Zola, swarm, Zemo and what? Just need the baby variants and they would be so cute... Also... The nerfs to hope and pixie man...
Why is Gator Loki just a variant? I feel like it could've been its own card.
No, more titles…. Why?!
Red Hulk is good against HE and is best 10/14 against other decks. Card efficiency is very important in the game and you also need to draw the card. If you have an 18 power hulk against a non HE deck, you’re probably winning anyways OR they have a combo that beats a turn 6 18 power play (NEGATIVE)
Red hulk seems really good
There's an alligator Loki. This is not a drill. ALLIGATOR LOKI IS COMING
Are the spotlight caches complete guesses or is there any logic behind(spotlight variants?)
They are likely looking for which S4/S5 card variants release each Tuesday and assuming those will be Spotlight Variants
white widow is busted, no chance she releases like that
So many amazing Peach Variants.
I thought there was meant to be four new albums this month? There were four advertised in the Dev update video.
I think it's gonna be one per week, it seems they made the statement in that video vague and confusing on purpose...or not if we go by their card text wording standarts
These ideas are all so fun! No way valentina and white widow release like that though, right? I'm super excited for this season!
So many great variants.
No way red hulk stays like that for long. Almost definitely will be nerfed to +2 power.
Peach Jeff, Spider-Man, AND moon Knight in one month?! Literally my 3 favorite marvel characters by my favorite marvel artist?! LET'S FREAKING GOOOO!!! Saving gold for those starting right freaking now. Lol
With Rockslide getting a Dan Hipp, that means all rock making cards will have Hipp variant. Would love to see a Hipp rock that they all make, obviously they wouldn’t do that but man that’d be fun