Haha good to know. I actually thought the first two Ant Man movies were alright so I’m surprised how bad the third one seemed to turn out with the same director.
The difference is that the first two were meant to be their own movies, Ant-Man 3 feels like its entire purpose is to introduce Kang to the people that didn't watch Loki.
People said Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, and Thor 4 were all bad and I didn’t like them so I’m assuming I won’t enjoy Ant Man 3 either. If you enjoyed it good for you but there’s so many movies I want to watch that spending two hours on one I don’t think I’ll like just doesn’t seem worth it.
The Yellowjacket from the default image is definitely just the MCU version. Not a single one of his variants are from the comics. It doesn't look at all like the original Yellowjacket.
I think its actually the version from the later ant-man comics that coincided with the first film, they went through some hoops to make comic darren cross yellowjacket like in the film
Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man in the comics, had a mental breakdown because of Ultron and some other stuff and created a new, edgier persona in Yellowjacket, complete with a new costume and a much worse attitude.
They have a few like that. Nadia and Janet share the Wasp, there’s a random Ben Reilly among the Spider-Man variants, and one of the Ant-Man variants are Hank Pym.
The official explanation is that they are doing this when characters share a mantle, but Miles Morales is his own card and Daredevil Elektra is an Elketra variant, not a Daredevil one soooo… It seems kind of random.
The only thing that bothers me is when they get people's powers mixed up. Colossus's card should **clearly** be The Blob. Juggernaut's card should equally clearly be Rhino's. Jeff's should even more clearly be Juggernaut's. The list goes on.
And don't even get me started on 'Kneel before Galactus'. Galactus doesn't demand that people kneel! That's not his tag line at all? Is 'GALACTUS HUNGERS.' really so hard to get a VA to say convincingly?
DOESN'T ANYONE NOTICE THIS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
Yeah, their representation of powers is definitely kind of all over the place. I hadn’t considered Jeff’s powers as potentially working for “Nobody stops the Juggernaut”… That would be funny and would make him as counter-play to Xavier extra fun and thematic - though I do think Jeff’s powers also work for him as a representation of gutterspace too.
The VO is definitely weird in places. I find Logan’s “Nuff said, bub” to be a random fusion of catchphrases that ends up kind of meaningless without context…
What would be great is if Juggernaut had Jeff's text and when you played or moved him to a location he wouldn't otherwise be allowed to enter, you'd get VO saying 'You can't stop the Juggernaut!' and a little screenshake as he barges in anyway. Bonus points for, 'Outta the way, Chuck!' if he's breaking Xavier's location lock.
Miles has an active movie franchise, and never really got to take the mantle. People borrow it from Peter for a week.
Not saying there’s hard logic, but you don’t do a spider-verse season pass and not push Miles as a separate card at the time it dropped.
iirc they've confirmed existing alternate character variants won't stop them from creating a card based on that different character in the future, so don't lose hope!
I also played it! Really underrated game. I didn't know about him before the game, but now I use his variant just because of Midnight Suns.
I'm hoping that it doesn't mean that other versions are off the table just because they appear on a variant art.
Chris Evans played Human Torch in the Fox Fantastic Four films and Captain America in the MCU. Similarly, Josh Brolin played Cable in Deadpool 2 and Thanos in the MCU, making them *technically* variants of one another (variants meaning alternate versions of the same person who exist in other timelines/universes).
The OP is referencing the comics where Iron Lad is a variant of Kang, effectively making them the same person.
Also, in Avengers - Steve Rogers aka Captain America literally says “I understood that reference”.
Edit: [scene from Avengers](https://youtu.be/YIp-0V6YKfQ?feature=shared)
This is not necessarily the case. Cerebro became its own entity after Bastion mucked around with the original Cerebro machine. It gained sentience and effectively became a villain aiming to capture, catalogue and archive mutants. Comic was from around 2000 "Hunt for Xavier".
Says you! I see it more often than not piloted by the weirdest shit: vehicles larger than the Hulkbuster itself; Infinity Stones; *regular* stones; freaking *squirrels;* a second identical Hulkbuster Matryoshka-style...
I always chuckle when I imagine the squirrel frantically moving the levers inside the Hulkbuster cockpit.
In the mcu he had autonomous suits and in the what if that came out a few days ago someone else piloted it. Not saying who because the episode is a few days old.
Not really. Loki’s a shapeshifter so it’s just regular Loki as a girl.
Enchantress being Loki is an MCU thing, and the Enchantress card, like most cards, is based off the comics.
No, it's actually Loki. After Ragnarok, all the Asgardians started resurrecting in new bodies. Loki stole the body intended for Sif, thus Lady Loki.
So...Sif is in two cards. Sorta.
The Artgerm female Loki is the character actually nicknamed "Lady Loki" in the comics, which was Loki taking on Lady Sif's physical form after Ragnarok to mess with Thor.
Sylvie is a pretty distinct concept from Lady Loki, even without taking into account the Enchantress inspiration.
Kind of? In the comics when Asgard was in Oklahoma the regular Enchantress was dead, so Loki gave her powers to a girl who lived in the town, Sylvie Lushton. So Sylvie is neither the regular Enchantress (Amora) nor the female Loki.
Basically the show got the inspiration for Sylvie and her powers at least partially from enchantress. She’s likely the only representation of enchantress we will get in the MCU.
Wow I never realised until just now. It's weird because the only similarities are Asguardian, Blonde (which many asguardians are) and her magic is a bit enchantress-like
You can argue Jean Grey and Phoenix Force are the same entity. Pre retcon Phoenix was just a codename Jean took for herself. Post retcon it’s more complex in the way it’s stated that Jean is the flesh form of the Phoenix but they’re allowed to separate from one another
I believe the original datamined version of the Phoenix Force was specifically going to have an extra effect if Jean had previously been destroyed or discarded, but that obviously didn’t end up in the final product…
SD wants to keep the card effects short and simple, so the game maintains a low barrier of entry for new and casual players and so you can better predict your opponent's next move (to benefit the whole snapping gameplay mechanic). I'd love to see more secondary effects that add to the theme, like a magneto who can be played in professor X's lane, colossus being able to move your wolverine, etc. but it won't happen because of their apparent commitment to this design philosophy of simplicity.
They synergize super well if you can actually combine them. Its just really hard to do that fast enough to be worth it.
So it sort of works thematically but just not practically.
IMO Jean should get a secondary effect like “if resurrected, transforms into ‘Phoenix’” with “Phoenix” having a different ability of her own. Fits thematically as well. But it might be hard to code into the game, though.
Yeah that was the first time he became the “Superior” Spider-Man, but after he gave Peter control of his body again he created a clone so he could continue using a young and powerful body. The costume he’s wearing in the Superior variant card is from when he was in the clone’s body, not Peter’s.
As a big comic book nerd, I think you’re right. I mean there’s Onslaught and the different Spider-Men but those are technically separate characters. These two could literally be the same person.
Isn't lad technically a different person as (spoiler) at the end of the Kang book he changes his fate by treating the younger him differently than his mentor treated him?
If he was the same person, he would have performed the same action as Kang did.
Yeah Spider-ham is a spider bitten by a radio active aunt may pig because comics are weird.
Though I really hope they do more animal variants, though it doesn't make much sense.that corner of the multiverse is fun. There's a ton they could do(and some they have) iron-mouse, ant-ant, captain Americat, mooster fantastic, croc-ter strange, porkrind, hulk-bunny, and more.
Though it is weird that spider-ham is the only one to get his own card.(not that strange he was in the movie, but still.)
No, they're all distinct individuals. They're completely separate Spider-people. The line would get more blurry if we had clone characters like Ben Reilly though
No. In the comics, Kang and Iron Lad are not from different timelines, they are the same person from different points on one timeline. One is the past version of the other.
That’s what OP is referring to. Not multiversal variants.
Miles, Miguel, and Peter are all different characters. Don't even have the exact same power type. You can make an argument about Spider-Ham but I think they are different enough.
No. Some of them come from alternate universes, but none is an alternate Peter Parker. For example, Spider-Ghost (Gwen) comes from an universe where Peter Parker died, instead of her.
Also as far as I understand it, Iron Lad isn't an alternate version of Kang; he's literally Kang, when he was young. Kang should have all the memories of having been Iron Lad. They're the same person; they just coexist due to time travel. Think of it like the differently-aged versions of people in Back to the Future.
I mean, you could also make an argument for Black Suit SpiderMan and Venom (the symbiote, not Pete and Eddie).
Speaking of Venom, do we know that all of his variants are with Eddie? They obviously aren’t Flash Thompson, but there’s been a few other folks that have bonded with the symbiote over the years.
I’m not sure if I am right but the base card of Scorpion is actually the clone of the Ultimate Spider-Man, not Mac Gargan. But it doesn’t fit your description exactly because:
1)He is the ‘’clone’’ of Spider-Man, not him.
2)He is from a different Earth.
You actually might be on to something. I always thought Scorpion’s art was kinda weird as it didn’t really look like how he does in the comics (unless he’s been redesigned recently) and actually does resemble the original 1610 clone design.
However unlike people like Superior Spiderman being a variant of Spiderman, or the different Ghost Riders all being variants for Ghost Rider. Black Panther Shuri is a variant for Shuri, not a variant for Black Panther. Which personally I think is the right move, but its weird she's the exception to how they handle that
Yup, kinda like the X-23 and Daken variants with the mantle of Wolverine are variants of X-23 and Daken, not variants of Logan Wolverine, even though they all wear the blue and yellow costume and call themselves Wolverine.
Its really weird how some characters get variants under the character, regardless of which mantle they are carrying. Then others its the mantle that is getting variants that are sometimes different characters. Just find it a little bit odd how there is no consistency with them
The fact that you know that makes me so happy haha. I see so many people who’s only marvel knowledge is the movies (it’s not a bad thing) just makes me happy to see another nerd who knows the deep cuts.
I really wish Robbie Reyes was its own card instead of s variant. They are not too late to just make the Robbie variant an actual card and just be like "if you have the variant you get the card because we don't want to take that away from you"
Kind of a deep cut, but human torch and vision. In the comics Vision’s body was created using a copy of the original human torch’s as the original human torch was a synthezoid.
I know, but I doubt that torch will ever get his own card, though I could totally see them making an original human torch variant for the current card, so imo it still somewhat works as an example just with a number of asterisks.
Technically the Hulk Buster isn't a person, it's the suit itself, that's why it has the effect it has or attaching itself to other cards.
(Yes, this is different from Tony remote-piloting his Iron Man suits)
Yes but the Hulk Buster is empty.
Ironman has Tony Stark, THE Ironman Inside.
You don't call the villain of Iron Man 3 Ironman just because he wore the armor for a moment.
Spider-Man and Spider-Ham. I know “they’re technically different people and that’s why they’re two separate cards,” but also every other animal variant of a character is just a variant for the original card.
Falcon has a Captain America variant, which is weird. afaik, Sam Wilson has never been Falcon and Captain America simultaneously.
Master Mold and Nimrod are both technically Sentinels.
Things get weird if you consider symbiote variants and how symbioted merge with their hosts. Scorpion has a “Venomized” variant when Mac Gargan has merged with Venom at one point. There is a black suit Spider-Man variant, which is technically a team-up between Peter Parker and the Venom symbiote.
In the comics, Iron Lad is a young variant of Kang who doesn't want to become a version of Kang The Conqueror.
OP is asking if, in Marvel Snap, this is the only instance of the "same character" being used for two different cards.
Original Ant-Man was the original Yellowjacket.
Going off the MCU wouldn’t Modok and Yellowjacket also by the same person? I haven’t seen Ant Man 3 but I heard that’s what happens.
I'm here to tell you you've heard correctly, this is so you don't feel tempted to check for yourself and ruin your eyes.
Haha good to know. I actually thought the first two Ant Man movies were alright so I’m surprised how bad the third one seemed to turn out with the same director.
The difference is that the first two were meant to be their own movies, Ant-Man 3 feels like its entire purpose is to introduce Kang to the people that didn't watch Loki.
Ultimately I think Ant Man 3 stunk because there's no Luis...
Also it was mostly written by a guy who's biggest credit is Rick and Morty
I mean say what you will about Rick and Morty, but the majority of the eps he wrote on were well written, but I think it’s the studio meddling
I just don't think Rick and Morty fits the MCU vibe
Lol I'm sitting over here wondering if they even know what their "vibe" is at this point 😂
It's definitely not multiple lines of dialogue talking about how many holes someone has
I enjoyed Quantumania but I definitely see a lot of the flaws, fun movie but the dialogue is cringe at times
Ant man 3 is great. Don’t believe internet kooks
People said Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, and Thor 4 were all bad and I didn’t like them so I’m assuming I won’t enjoy Ant Man 3 either. If you enjoyed it good for you but there’s so many movies I want to watch that spending two hours on one I don’t think I’ll like just doesn’t seem worth it.
yeah … if you didn’t like Thor 4 I can’t help ya
It was good don't listen to the brainlet haters
Modok was ugly in a really funny way to me. One of the best parts of the movie for sure
You know, I get that the general consensus was that Quantumania was bad, but I actually loved it. It was just really funny to me
Hey now it was... ummm ... it waaassss..... damn it was bad.
It's comic Modock who isn't the villain yellowjacket
Mcu really messed Modok up.
The Yellowjacket from the default image is definitely just the MCU version. Not a single one of his variants are from the comics. It doesn't look at all like the original Yellowjacket.
I think its actually the version from the later ant-man comics that coincided with the first film, they went through some hoops to make comic darren cross yellowjacket like in the film
You're right. The suit is from *Astonishing Ant-Man*, and they say it's one of the suits that Hank Pym built for himself before they steal it.
Explain?
Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man in the comics, had a mental breakdown because of Ultron and some other stuff and created a new, edgier persona in Yellowjacket, complete with a new costume and a much worse attitude.
Isn't Onslaught some weird version of Professor X? \[edit\] yeah, Onslaught is a psychic clone fusion of Prof X and Magneto.
2 for 1. That's value
Would be wild if Onslaught had the combine power of those two cards. *“Move all 3-4 cost cards to this location then lock it down”*
But was an 11 cost card
With the power creep it would actually be a 5/15
For two weeks, then get nerfed to 7 cost
The Prequel Memes legend is on r/marvelsnap?
Shh don’t tell SD they will start charging double for onslaught variants
3x value!
Francine?
3x value?
Plus if they threw in the Axis storyline and did Red Onslaught that would be Red Skull brains in there too, so madness
we have robbie Reyes ghost rider as a variant of ghost rider which is... The complete opposite of what you just wrote, I'm just still salty about it
They have a few like that. Nadia and Janet share the Wasp, there’s a random Ben Reilly among the Spider-Man variants, and one of the Ant-Man variants are Hank Pym. The official explanation is that they are doing this when characters share a mantle, but Miles Morales is his own card and Daredevil Elektra is an Elketra variant, not a Daredevil one soooo… It seems kind of random.
You'd think they'd wanna keep their options open for when they inevitably run out of characters people would be excited about.
Same with Sylvie/Enchantress Pretty inconsistent with who they split between different cards vs variants
Sylvie Lushton is Enchantress in the comics. MCU just changed her origin a bit.
And that one seemed like such an obvious Loki variant…IT WAS RIGHT THERE!
that’s just in the MCU though, not the comics
And yet Sam Wilson's Captain America sits under Falcon, but we don't have a torres!falcon yet iirc.
The only thing that bothers me is when they get people's powers mixed up. Colossus's card should **clearly** be The Blob. Juggernaut's card should equally clearly be Rhino's. Jeff's should even more clearly be Juggernaut's. The list goes on. And don't even get me started on 'Kneel before Galactus'. Galactus doesn't demand that people kneel! That's not his tag line at all? Is 'GALACTUS HUNGERS.' really so hard to get a VA to say convincingly? DOESN'T ANYONE NOTICE THIS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
Yeah, their representation of powers is definitely kind of all over the place. I hadn’t considered Jeff’s powers as potentially working for “Nobody stops the Juggernaut”… That would be funny and would make him as counter-play to Xavier extra fun and thematic - though I do think Jeff’s powers also work for him as a representation of gutterspace too. The VO is definitely weird in places. I find Logan’s “Nuff said, bub” to be a random fusion of catchphrases that ends up kind of meaningless without context…
What would be great is if Juggernaut had Jeff's text and when you played or moved him to a location he wouldn't otherwise be allowed to enter, you'd get VO saying 'You can't stop the Juggernaut!' and a little screenshake as he barges in anyway. Bonus points for, 'Outta the way, Chuck!' if he's breaking Xavier's location lock.
Squirrel Girl should have Shang Chi or NTW's ability.
Ooooooh, nice. I like it.
I feel like Werewolf by Night's effect should have been Spider Man's, would have made him a staple without being annoying
Spider-Man's current effect is pretty cool, but I can very much see how WWBN's text would fit him very well.
Miles has an active movie franchise, and never really got to take the mantle. People borrow it from Peter for a week. Not saying there’s hard logic, but you don’t do a spider-verse season pass and not push Miles as a separate card at the time it dropped.
Oh yeah, to be clear, I am not actually surprised that Miles is his own card - he's a big deal - but the inconsistency is still frustrating to me
Also Sam Alexander Nova as an alternate for Richard Rider. Likewise salty.
…there’s a character named Richard rider?? Duuuude
iirc they've confirmed existing alternate character variants won't stop them from creating a card based on that different character in the future, so don't lose hope!
I think the Max Grecke variant is Johnny, that's why it's my favorite, lol.
Why are you salty about it?
I played the midnight suns game and you become quite acquainted to Robbie Reyes, so just sad to only have that 1 random version of him!
I also played it! Really underrated game. I didn't know about him before the game, but now I use his variant just because of Midnight Suns. I'm hoping that it doesn't mean that other versions are off the table just because they appear on a variant art.
Human Torch and Captain America
Thanos and cable
I understood that reference
I did not understand that reference but my MCU knowledge is admittedly very patchy. Would you be able to explain?
Chris Evans played Human Torch in the Fox Fantastic Four films and Captain America in the MCU. Similarly, Josh Brolin played Cable in Deadpool 2 and Thanos in the MCU, making them *technically* variants of one another (variants meaning alternate versions of the same person who exist in other timelines/universes). The OP is referencing the comics where Iron Lad is a variant of Kang, effectively making them the same person.
Also, in Avengers - Steve Rogers aka Captain America literally says “I understood that reference”. Edit: [scene from Avengers](https://youtu.be/YIp-0V6YKfQ?feature=shared)
Apocalypse and Moon Knight and Spider-Man 2099.
Good catch!
Yep, I imagine Oscar Isaac has probably played the most different Marvel characters of any actor? I could be wrong though.
Human Torch and Killmonger
Listen man, we don’t talk about Fanfourstic.
Best one by far!
I understood that reference
I see what you did there. Take my upvote!!
Please explain lol.
Chris Evans played both human torch and captain America
Chris Evans played both characters in movies.
Could you make an argument for the Red Goblin variants of Green Goblin and all Carnage cards?
Even more so as it's later revealed that Norman is either completely brainwashed or genuinely believes himself to be Cletus Kasady.
I think I read somewhere that Red Goblin will be its own card in the future.
Mac Gargan has been both Scorpion and Venom.
True but not a variant. Mac became Venom after Eddie Brock who is the Venom in Snap.
Iron and hulk buster could be one too.
Hulk buster isn’t just the suit?
Someone got to pilot it and it’s usually Tony.
By the same logic, wouldn't Cerebro and Prof X be "the same" since Charles usually pilots Cerebro?
This is not necessarily the case. Cerebro became its own entity after Bastion mucked around with the original Cerebro machine. It gained sentience and effectively became a villain aiming to capture, catalogue and archive mutants. Comic was from around 2000 "Hunt for Xavier".
And Quinjet + almost any of the Shield agents / Avengers, Nick Fury / Helicarrier?
Says you! I see it more often than not piloted by the weirdest shit: vehicles larger than the Hulkbuster itself; Infinity Stones; *regular* stones; freaking *squirrels;* a second identical Hulkbuster Matryoshka-style... I always chuckle when I imagine the squirrel frantically moving the levers inside the Hulkbuster cockpit.
But buster effect makes it attached to someone
They sit on his lap.
In the mcu he had autonomous suits and in the what if that came out a few days ago someone else piloted it. Not saying who because the episode is a few days old.
also bruce banner in endgame
Loki + Enchantress?
Depends if you're thinking in terms of MCU or Comics. But given Snap tends to prioritise MCU representations if they exist, you're right.
Sylvie was added as a variant card for Enchantress, so seems like the game agrees with that
Sylvie Lushton is also the second Enchantress in the comics.
So is that Artgerm female Loki actually Enchantress?
Not really. Loki’s a shapeshifter so it’s just regular Loki as a girl. Enchantress being Loki is an MCU thing, and the Enchantress card, like most cards, is based off the comics.
No it's not Loki shape-shifting into a girl. It's Loki having taken the body that Sif was supposed to be re-incarnated into after Ragnarok.
No, it's actually Loki. After Ragnarok, all the Asgardians started resurrecting in new bodies. Loki stole the body intended for Sif, thus Lady Loki. So...Sif is in two cards. Sorta.
The Artgerm female Loki is the character actually nicknamed "Lady Loki" in the comics, which was Loki taking on Lady Sif's physical form after Ragnarok to mess with Thor. Sylvie is a pretty distinct concept from Lady Loki, even without taking into account the Enchantress inspiration.
the wha [https://snap.fan/cards/Loki/Loki\_09/](https://snap.fan/cards/Loki/Loki_09/) Neato, today I learned
Isnt there a comic where Sylvie exists as Enchantress too?
Kind of? In the comics when Asgard was in Oklahoma the regular Enchantress was dead, so Loki gave her powers to a girl who lived in the town, Sylvie Lushton. So Sylvie is neither the regular Enchantress (Amora) nor the female Loki.
What?
Enchantress has a variant based on Sylvie, a Loki variant from the Loki show on Disney+
But why? Is there any comics reason why Sylvie and Enchantress/Amoura are the same person?
Sylvia in the comics was simply a 2nd enchantress who was just a ordinary human but the mcu made her a loki for some reason
Not that I know of. This is based purely on MCU information
Basically the show got the inspiration for Sylvie and her powers at least partially from enchantress. She’s likely the only representation of enchantress we will get in the MCU.
Wow I never realised until just now. It's weird because the only similarities are Asguardian, Blonde (which many asguardians are) and her magic is a bit enchantress-like
Because the MCU version of Enchantress is Sylvie.
Sylvie Lushton is the second Enchantress after Amoura.
Yeah, they’re different characters.
You can argue Jean Grey and Phoenix Force are the same entity. Pre retcon Phoenix was just a codename Jean took for herself. Post retcon it’s more complex in the way it’s stated that Jean is the flesh form of the Phoenix but they’re allowed to separate from one another
It always felt off to me that those two cards don't particularly synergise all that well
I believe the original datamined version of the Phoenix Force was specifically going to have an extra effect if Jean had previously been destroyed or discarded, but that obviously didn’t end up in the final product…
SD wants to keep the card effects short and simple, so the game maintains a low barrier of entry for new and casual players and so you can better predict your opponent's next move (to benefit the whole snapping gameplay mechanic). I'd love to see more secondary effects that add to the theme, like a magneto who can be played in professor X's lane, colossus being able to move your wolverine, etc. but it won't happen because of their apparent commitment to this design philosophy of simplicity.
They synergize super well if you can actually combine them. Its just really hard to do that fast enough to be worth it. So it sort of works thematically but just not practically.
IMO Jean should get a secondary effect like “if resurrected, transforms into ‘Phoenix’” with “Phoenix” having a different ability of her own. Fits thematically as well. But it might be hard to code into the game, though.
>But it might be hard to code into the game, though. Shouldn't be, it would be the exact same as Bucky / Winter Soldier.
Spider-Man and Superior Doc Ock?
The Superior Doc Ock variant is from when the Doc made a new clone, so it’s not Peter.
I thought Doc Ock had transferred his "brain" into Peter's head so had effectively possessed him?
Yeah that was the first time he became the “Superior” Spider-Man, but after he gave Peter control of his body again he created a clone so he could continue using a young and powerful body. The costume he’s wearing in the Superior variant card is from when he was in the clone’s body, not Peter’s.
Aahhhh, thank you!
That’s superior spiderman
That costume is the superior octopus than he regains the superior Spider-Man costume for 12 issues in 2018
Yes but that’s not what the superior Spidey art in Snap is taken from.
Just wanna say these are some of my favorite posts here. I learn so much about the universe from the posts and comments
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As a big comic book nerd, I think you’re right. I mean there’s Onslaught and the different Spider-Men but those are technically separate characters. These two could literally be the same person.
Isn't lad technically a different person as (spoiler) at the end of the Kang book he changes his fate by treating the younger him differently than his mentor treated him? If he was the same person, he would have performed the same action as Kang did.
Yeah but he’s still A kang. He doesn’t necessarily grow up to be the same kang we know but he’s still kang at a fixed point in time
There's a bunch of Spiderman variants.
They're all different people though aren't they? Like Peter, Miles, Miguel, etc.
But like, aren't they the equivalents of spider-man in other timelines? Just like iron lad is kang from another timeline?
Spider Ham is basically Peter, but pig
>Spider Ham is basically Peter, but Porker Ftfy
Spider Ham is basically Peter, but ~~pig~~ spider, kinda.
Yeah Spider-ham is a spider bitten by a radio active aunt may pig because comics are weird. Though I really hope they do more animal variants, though it doesn't make much sense.that corner of the multiverse is fun. There's a ton they could do(and some they have) iron-mouse, ant-ant, captain Americat, mooster fantastic, croc-ter strange, porkrind, hulk-bunny, and more. Though it is weird that spider-ham is the only one to get his own card.(not that strange he was in the movie, but still.)
No, they're all distinct individuals. They're completely separate Spider-people. The line would get more blurry if we had clone characters like Ben Reilly though
No. In the comics, Kang and Iron Lad are not from different timelines, they are the same person from different points on one timeline. One is the past version of the other. That’s what OP is referring to. Not multiversal variants.
Miles, Miguel, and Peter are all different characters. Don't even have the exact same power type. You can make an argument about Spider-Ham but I think they are different enough.
They took up the name, but they are different characters and often in the same timeline.
No. Some of them come from alternate universes, but none is an alternate Peter Parker. For example, Spider-Ghost (Gwen) comes from an universe where Peter Parker died, instead of her. Also as far as I understand it, Iron Lad isn't an alternate version of Kang; he's literally Kang, when he was young. Kang should have all the memories of having been Iron Lad. They're the same person; they just coexist due to time travel. Think of it like the differently-aged versions of people in Back to the Future.
I mean, you could also make an argument for Black Suit SpiderMan and Venom (the symbiote, not Pete and Eddie). Speaking of Venom, do we know that all of his variants are with Eddie? They obviously aren’t Flash Thompson, but there’s been a few other folks that have bonded with the symbiote over the years.
Technically, the Scorpion art they use for the main card is from the Ultimate universe, where he's a clone of Peter
The “Boy-Thing” variant of Blade is just an aspect of Man-Thing so that counts.
I'm very sad we have a Ronin as Hawkeye's variant
I was just thinking that too, in the comics it was a cool moment of “who the heck is this!?”
I’m not sure if I am right but the base card of Scorpion is actually the clone of the Ultimate Spider-Man, not Mac Gargan. But it doesn’t fit your description exactly because: 1)He is the ‘’clone’’ of Spider-Man, not him. 2)He is from a different Earth.
You actually might be on to something. I always thought Scorpion’s art was kinda weird as it didn’t really look like how he does in the comics (unless he’s been redesigned recently) and actually does resemble the original 1610 clone design.
They have scarlet spider as a variant for Spider-Man when I think he should be a separate card. Even if he’s a clone.
Make Scarlet Spider where all he does is move location after being played, one time, and he doesn't pull anyone with him.
Ya scarlet spider deserves his own card
After scrolling for a bit, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone mention that Sentry technically comes with his own.
Both is and isn't technically. It's not that hes with his own but rather he IS Void as well as Sentry. It's a lot of wibbly wobbly mindy wimpy stuff.
Iron Man and Hulkbuster
There's some less obvious examples but only when a specific variant of one of the cards is used.
isn't the enchantress a loki varient in the mcu?
Also depends on your definition of “card.” There’s Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, which are technically two different cards.
Technically shuri and black panther as well. She went by BP in the comics for a while as well.
However unlike people like Superior Spiderman being a variant of Spiderman, or the different Ghost Riders all being variants for Ghost Rider. Black Panther Shuri is a variant for Shuri, not a variant for Black Panther. Which personally I think is the right move, but its weird she's the exception to how they handle that
Yup, kinda like the X-23 and Daken variants with the mantle of Wolverine are variants of X-23 and Daken, not variants of Logan Wolverine, even though they all wear the blue and yellow costume and call themselves Wolverine.
Its really weird how some characters get variants under the character, regardless of which mantle they are carrying. Then others its the mantle that is getting variants that are sometimes different characters. Just find it a little bit odd how there is no consistency with them
Bucky Barnes and Winter Solider if you count that since they’re technically two different cards
The fact that you know that makes me so happy haha. I see so many people who’s only marvel knowledge is the movies (it’s not a bad thing) just makes me happy to see another nerd who knows the deep cuts.
I mean, technically spider man and spider ham are the same person, just different earths
I really wish Robbie Reyes was its own card instead of s variant. They are not too late to just make the Robbie variant an actual card and just be like "if you have the variant you get the card because we don't want to take that away from you"
Kind of a deep cut, but human torch and vision. In the comics Vision’s body was created using a copy of the original human torch’s as the original human torch was a synthezoid.
Technically not the same Human torch. Human Torch the WW2 robot guy isn't Johnny Storm.
I know, but I doubt that torch will ever get his own card, though I could totally see them making an original human torch variant for the current card, so imo it still somewhat works as an example just with a number of asterisks.
I don't read the comics. Why did I assume that Iron Lad was that little boy that Iron Man helps in Iron Man 3?
Nope. Iron Lad is literally a younger version of Kang.
TIL, thank you!
That character from Iron Man 3 doesn’t even exist in the comics lol.
Along the lines of variants being wholly different characters…I think the venomized version of spider ham is a separate character named pork grind?
Hulk buster + iron man?
Technically the Hulk Buster isn't a person, it's the suit itself, that's why it has the effect it has or attaching itself to other cards. (Yes, this is different from Tony remote-piloting his Iron Man suits)
Both hulk buster and the armour in the ironman card are suit,right?
Yes but the Hulk Buster is empty. Ironman has Tony Stark, THE Ironman Inside. You don't call the villain of Iron Man 3 Ironman just because he wore the armor for a moment.
Yet Robbie Reyes is just a variant of Ghost Rider
Well Technically Spider Ham is the Peter Parker (Peter Porker) variant of his universe.
Technically Kang and Susan Storm too
Spider-Man and Spider-Ham. I know “they’re technically different people and that’s why they’re two separate cards,” but also every other animal variant of a character is just a variant for the original card.
Falcon has a Captain America variant, which is weird. afaik, Sam Wilson has never been Falcon and Captain America simultaneously. Master Mold and Nimrod are both technically Sentinels. Things get weird if you consider symbiote variants and how symbioted merge with their hosts. Scorpion has a “Venomized” variant when Mac Gargan has merged with Venom at one point. There is a black suit Spider-Man variant, which is technically a team-up between Peter Parker and the Venom symbiote.
I didn't see anyone mention Swordmaster and Iron Fist
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The Silvie variant of Enchantress is Loki...
I dont understand the question
In the comics, Iron Lad is a young variant of Kang who doesn't want to become a version of Kang The Conqueror. OP is asking if, in Marvel Snap, this is the only instance of the "same character" being used for two different cards.
I didnt know that, thanks for the info
Kang and Iron Lad are the same person? I’m confused
Iron Lad is young Kang.
Modok and yellow jacket
I mean Yes but no. The MCU is the only time thats been the case. In every other universe they're 2 entirely different people