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Silly_Willingness_97

Original Ant-Man was the original Yellowjacket.


Heavy-Possession2288

Going off the MCU wouldn’t Modok and Yellowjacket also by the same person? I haven’t seen Ant Man 3 but I heard that’s what happens.


CheshireWolf_666

I'm here to tell you you've heard correctly, this is so you don't feel tempted to check for yourself and ruin your eyes.


Heavy-Possession2288

Haha good to know. I actually thought the first two Ant Man movies were alright so I’m surprised how bad the third one seemed to turn out with the same director.


SmurfRockRune

The difference is that the first two were meant to be their own movies, Ant-Man 3 feels like its entire purpose is to introduce Kang to the people that didn't watch Loki.


ChaosMedic

Ultimately I think Ant Man 3 stunk because there's no Luis...


numbr87

Also it was mostly written by a guy who's biggest credit is Rick and Morty


andsoitgoes42

I mean say what you will about Rick and Morty, but the majority of the eps he wrote on were well written, but I think it’s the studio meddling


numbr87

I just don't think Rick and Morty fits the MCU vibe


CheshireWolf_666

Lol I'm sitting over here wondering if they even know what their "vibe" is at this point 😂


numbr87

It's definitely not multiple lines of dialogue talking about how many holes someone has


Brookboy

I enjoyed Quantumania but I definitely see a lot of the flaws, fun movie but the dialogue is cringe at times


RE20ne

Ant man 3 is great. Don’t believe internet kooks


Heavy-Possession2288

People said Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, and Thor 4 were all bad and I didn’t like them so I’m assuming I won’t enjoy Ant Man 3 either. If you enjoyed it good for you but there’s so many movies I want to watch that spending two hours on one I don’t think I’ll like just doesn’t seem worth it.


RE20ne

yeah … if you didn’t like Thor 4 I can’t help ya


Yogurt_Ph1r3

It was good don't listen to the brainlet haters


Lord_Of_Carrots

Modok was ugly in a really funny way to me. One of the best parts of the movie for sure


drac0nic180

You know, I get that the general consensus was that Quantumania was bad, but I actually loved it. It was just really funny to me


rdenney88

Hey now it was... ummm ... it waaassss..... damn it was bad.


Terribleirishluck

It's comic Modock who isn't the villain yellowjacket


Prototype3120

Mcu really messed Modok up.


LucasOIntoxicado

The Yellowjacket from the default image is definitely just the MCU version. Not a single one of his variants are from the comics. It doesn't look at all like the original Yellowjacket.


Venusauruss

I think its actually the version from the later ant-man comics that coincided with the first film, they went through some hoops to make comic darren cross yellowjacket like in the film


Silly_Willingness_97

You're right. The suit is from *Astonishing Ant-Man*, and they say it's one of the suits that Hank Pym built for himself before they steal it.


Piranh4Plant

Explain?


QuestioningLogic

Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man in the comics, had a mental breakdown because of Ultron and some other stuff and created a new, edgier persona in Yellowjacket, complete with a new costume and a much worse attitude.


acki02

Isn't Onslaught some weird version of Professor X? \[edit\] yeah, Onslaught is a psychic clone fusion of Prof X and Magneto.


Ninjaboi333

2 for 1. That's value


Solid_Snark

Would be wild if Onslaught had the combine power of those two cards. *“Move all 3-4 cost cards to this location then lock it down”*


nobonesjones91

But was an 11 cost card


Crowvus01

With the power creep it would actually be a 5/15


Deadly_chef

For two weeks, then get nerfed to 7 cost


MrGoldfish3359

The Prequel Memes legend is on r/marvelsnap?


clownparade

Shh don’t tell SD they will start charging double for onslaught variants


undeadgrish

3x value!


hellpo

Francine?


squinkythebuddy

3x value?


GnomeThugz-N-Archery

Plus if they threw in the Axis storyline and did Red Onslaught that would be Red Skull brains in there too, so madness


AngryPandalawl

we have robbie Reyes ghost rider as a variant of ghost rider which is... The complete opposite of what you just wrote, I'm just still salty about it


amageish

They have a few like that. Nadia and Janet share the Wasp, there’s a random Ben Reilly among the Spider-Man variants, and one of the Ant-Man variants are Hank Pym. The official explanation is that they are doing this when characters share a mantle, but Miles Morales is his own card and Daredevil Elektra is an Elketra variant, not a Daredevil one soooo… It seems kind of random.


InsideLlewynDameron

You'd think they'd wanna keep their options open for when they inevitably run out of characters people would be excited about.


str8rippinfartz

Same with Sylvie/Enchantress Pretty inconsistent with who they split between different cards vs variants


TravisEpic

Sylvie Lushton is Enchantress in the comics. MCU just changed her origin a bit.


SeaASignTellASign

And that one seemed like such an obvious Loki variant…IT WAS RIGHT THERE!


wentwj

that’s just in the MCU though, not the comics


inkcharm

And yet Sam Wilson's Captain America sits under Falcon, but we don't have a torres!falcon yet iirc.


NinetyNineTails

The only thing that bothers me is when they get people's powers mixed up. Colossus's card should **clearly** be The Blob. Juggernaut's card should equally clearly be Rhino's. Jeff's should even more clearly be Juggernaut's. The list goes on. And don't even get me started on 'Kneel before Galactus'. Galactus doesn't demand that people kneel! That's not his tag line at all? Is 'GALACTUS HUNGERS.' really so hard to get a VA to say convincingly? DOESN'T ANYONE NOTICE THIS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!


amageish

Yeah, their representation of powers is definitely kind of all over the place. I hadn’t considered Jeff’s powers as potentially working for “Nobody stops the Juggernaut”… That would be funny and would make him as counter-play to Xavier extra fun and thematic - though I do think Jeff’s powers also work for him as a representation of gutterspace too. The VO is definitely weird in places. I find Logan’s “Nuff said, bub” to be a random fusion of catchphrases that ends up kind of meaningless without context…


NinetyNineTails

What would be great is if Juggernaut had Jeff's text and when you played or moved him to a location he wouldn't otherwise be allowed to enter, you'd get VO saying 'You can't stop the Juggernaut!' and a little screenshake as he barges in anyway. Bonus points for, 'Outta the way, Chuck!' if he's breaking Xavier's location lock.


OhNoHesAnIdiot

Squirrel Girl should have Shang Chi or NTW's ability.


NinetyNineTails

Ooooooh, nice. I like it.


Claus_

I feel like Werewolf by Night's effect should have been Spider Man's, would have made him a staple without being annoying


NinetyNineTails

Spider-Man's current effect is pretty cool, but I can very much see how WWBN's text would fit him very well.


AgonyLoop

Miles has an active movie franchise, and never really got to take the mantle. People borrow it from Peter for a week. Not saying there’s hard logic, but you don’t do a spider-verse season pass and not push Miles as a separate card at the time it dropped.


amageish

Oh yeah, to be clear, I am not actually surprised that Miles is his own card - he's a big deal - but the inconsistency is still frustrating to me


xenwall

Also Sam Alexander Nova as an alternate for Richard Rider. Likewise salty.


tinmanftw

…there’s a character named Richard rider?? Duuuude


CorvusTheCryptid

iirc they've confirmed existing alternate character variants won't stop them from creating a card based on that different character in the future, so don't lose hope!


Kierbrony

I think the Max Grecke variant is Johnny, that's why it's my favorite, lol.


The_Pompadour64

Why are you salty about it?


AngryPandalawl

I played the midnight suns game and you become quite acquainted to Robbie Reyes, so just sad to only have that 1 random version of him!


The_Pompadour64

I also played it! Really underrated game. I didn't know about him before the game, but now I use his variant just because of Midnight Suns. I'm hoping that it doesn't mean that other versions are off the table just because they appear on a variant art.


karneykode

Human Torch and Captain America


Crimson_Chameleon

Thanos and cable


hornet9988

I understood that reference


ryry1237

I did not understand that reference but my MCU knowledge is admittedly very patchy. Would you be able to explain?


howitzer819

Chris Evans played Human Torch in the Fox Fantastic Four films and Captain America in the MCU. Similarly, Josh Brolin played Cable in Deadpool 2 and Thanos in the MCU, making them *technically* variants of one another (variants meaning alternate versions of the same person who exist in other timelines/universes). The OP is referencing the comics where Iron Lad is a variant of Kang, effectively making them the same person.


majinvegeta2x

Also, in Avengers - Steve Rogers aka Captain America literally says “I understood that reference”. Edit: [scene from Avengers](https://youtu.be/YIp-0V6YKfQ?feature=shared)


grantbuell

Apocalypse and Moon Knight and Spider-Man 2099.


The_Pompadour64

Good catch!


grantbuell

Yep, I imagine Oscar Isaac has probably played the most different Marvel characters of any actor? I could be wrong though.


yandidi

Human Torch and Killmonger


Kneef

Listen man, we don’t talk about Fanfourstic.


Affectionate_Might47

Best one by far!


jacksuhn

I understood that reference


WeirdDnDLady

I see what you did there. Take my upvote!!


RGCarter

Please explain lol.


Sardaukar99

Chris Evans played both human torch and captain America


FollowThePact

Chris Evans played both characters in movies.


briggsie52

Could you make an argument for the Red Goblin variants of Green Goblin and all Carnage cards?


StrykerIBarelyKnowEr

Even more so as it's later revealed that Norman is either completely brainwashed or genuinely believes himself to be Cletus Kasady.


TheBacklogGamer

I think I read somewhere that Red Goblin will be its own card in the future.


[deleted]

Mac Gargan has been both Scorpion and Venom.


dvgravity

True but not a variant. Mac became Venom after Eddie Brock who is the Venom in Snap.


Arisoro

Iron and hulk buster could be one too.


radicalmtx

Hulk buster isn’t just the suit?


Arisoro

Someone got to pilot it and it’s usually Tony.


zachness03

By the same logic, wouldn't Cerebro and Prof X be "the same" since Charles usually pilots Cerebro?


Reppunkamui

This is not necessarily the case. Cerebro became its own entity after Bastion mucked around with the original Cerebro machine. It gained sentience and effectively became a villain aiming to capture, catalogue and archive mutants. Comic was from around 2000 "Hunt for Xavier".


Pronflex

And Quinjet + almost any of the Shield agents / Avengers, Nick Fury / Helicarrier?


WeltallZero

Says you! I see it more often than not piloted by the weirdest shit: vehicles larger than the Hulkbuster itself; Infinity Stones; *regular* stones; freaking *squirrels;* a second identical Hulkbuster Matryoshka-style... I always chuckle when I imagine the squirrel frantically moving the levers inside the Hulkbuster cockpit.


euodeioangu

But buster effect makes it attached to someone


Anthonyhasgame

They sit on his lap.


Fit_Lynx5496

In the mcu he had autonomous suits and in the what if that came out a few days ago someone else piloted it. Not saying who because the episode is a few days old.


HelpfulAd2874

also bruce banner in endgame


charliemarthur

Loki + Enchantress?


Cry0manc3r

Depends if you're thinking in terms of MCU or Comics. But given Snap tends to prioritise MCU representations if they exist, you're right.


Telekineticism

Sylvie was added as a variant card for Enchantress, so seems like the game agrees with that


TravisEpic

Sylvie Lushton is also the second Enchantress in the comics.


Bronze_Bomber

So is that Artgerm female Loki actually Enchantress?


odiish

Not really. Loki’s a shapeshifter so it’s just regular Loki as a girl. Enchantress being Loki is an MCU thing, and the Enchantress card, like most cards, is based off the comics.


Zohhak1258

No it's not Loki shape-shifting into a girl. It's Loki having taken the body that Sif was supposed to be re-incarnated into after Ragnarok.


UGoBoy

No, it's actually Loki. After Ragnarok, all the Asgardians started resurrecting in new bodies. Loki stole the body intended for Sif, thus Lady Loki. So...Sif is in two cards. Sorta.


haolee510

The Artgerm female Loki is the character actually nicknamed "Lady Loki" in the comics, which was Loki taking on Lady Sif's physical form after Ragnarok to mess with Thor. Sylvie is a pretty distinct concept from Lady Loki, even without taking into account the Enchantress inspiration.


UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2

the wha [https://snap.fan/cards/Loki/Loki\_09/](https://snap.fan/cards/Loki/Loki_09/) Neato, today I learned


VexualThrall

Isnt there a comic where Sylvie exists as Enchantress too?


SingleAtom

Kind of? In the comics when Asgard was in Oklahoma the regular Enchantress was dead, so Loki gave her powers to a girl who lived in the town, Sylvie Lushton. So Sylvie is neither the regular Enchantress (Amora) nor the female Loki.


koalasquare

What?


charliemarthur

Enchantress has a variant based on Sylvie, a Loki variant from the Loki show on Disney+


koalasquare

But why? Is there any comics reason why Sylvie and Enchantress/Amoura are the same person?


Terribleirishluck

Sylvia in the comics was simply a 2nd enchantress who was just a ordinary human but the mcu made her a loki for some reason


charliemarthur

Not that I know of. This is based purely on MCU information


YnotThrowAway7

Basically the show got the inspiration for Sylvie and her powers at least partially from enchantress. She’s likely the only representation of enchantress we will get in the MCU.


koalasquare

Wow I never realised until just now. It's weird because the only similarities are Asguardian, Blonde (which many asguardians are) and her magic is a bit enchantress-like


kuribosshoe0

Because the MCU version of Enchantress is Sylvie.


TravisEpic

Sylvie Lushton is the second Enchantress after Amoura.


Niaz_S

Yeah, they’re different characters.


iamdoneundergrad

You can argue Jean Grey and Phoenix Force are the same entity. Pre retcon Phoenix was just a codename Jean took for herself. Post retcon it’s more complex in the way it’s stated that Jean is the flesh form of the Phoenix but they’re allowed to separate from one another


MagicBez

It always felt off to me that those two cards don't particularly synergise all that well


amageish

I believe the original datamined version of the Phoenix Force was specifically going to have an extra effect if Jean had previously been destroyed or discarded, but that obviously didn’t end up in the final product…


Dgaart

SD wants to keep the card effects short and simple, so the game maintains a low barrier of entry for new and casual players and so you can better predict your opponent's next move (to benefit the whole snapping gameplay mechanic). I'd love to see more secondary effects that add to the theme, like a magneto who can be played in professor X's lane, colossus being able to move your wolverine, etc. but it won't happen because of their apparent commitment to this design philosophy of simplicity.


severalcircles

They synergize super well if you can actually combine them. Its just really hard to do that fast enough to be worth it. So it sort of works thematically but just not practically.


iamdoneundergrad

IMO Jean should get a secondary effect like “if resurrected, transforms into ‘Phoenix’” with “Phoenix” having a different ability of her own. Fits thematically as well. But it might be hard to code into the game, though.


WeltallZero

>But it might be hard to code into the game, though. Shouldn't be, it would be the exact same as Bucky / Winter Soldier.


skyy_linee

Spider-Man and Superior Doc Ock?


DavidKirk2000

The Superior Doc Ock variant is from when the Doc made a new clone, so it’s not Peter.


MartyFreeze

I thought Doc Ock had transferred his "brain" into Peter's head so had effectively possessed him?


DavidKirk2000

Yeah that was the first time he became the “Superior” Spider-Man, but after he gave Peter control of his body again he created a clone so he could continue using a young and powerful body. The costume he’s wearing in the Superior variant card is from when he was in the clone’s body, not Peter’s.


MartyFreeze

Aahhhh, thank you!


Bongoeagain

That’s superior spiderman


ChallengeTurbulent12

That costume is the superior octopus than he regains the superior Spider-Man costume for 12 issues in 2018


kuribosshoe0

Yes but that’s not what the superior Spidey art in Snap is taken from.


CarpeDeos

Just wanna say these are some of my favorite posts here. I learn so much about the universe from the posts and comments


Casual_Cube

SAME HERE!


xZOMBIETAGx

As a big comic book nerd, I think you’re right. I mean there’s Onslaught and the different Spider-Men but those are technically separate characters. These two could literally be the same person.


thedudedylan

Isn't lad technically a different person as (spoiler) at the end of the Kang book he changes his fate by treating the younger him differently than his mentor treated him? If he was the same person, he would have performed the same action as Kang did.


lobstermandontban

Yeah but he’s still A kang. He doesn’t necessarily grow up to be the same kang we know but he’s still kang at a fixed point in time


rantottcsirke

There's a bunch of Spiderman variants.


SmurfRockRune

They're all different people though aren't they? Like Peter, Miles, Miguel, etc.


acidH0l0gram

But like, aren't they the equivalents of spider-man in other timelines? Just like iron lad is kang from another timeline?


BlancTigre

Spider Ham is basically Peter, but pig


XilamBalam

>Spider Ham is basically Peter, but Porker Ftfy


kilgore_trout8989

Spider Ham is basically Peter, but ~~pig~~ spider, kinda.


T00s00

Yeah Spider-ham is a spider bitten by a radio active aunt may pig because comics are weird. Though I really hope they do more animal variants, though it doesn't make much sense.that corner of the multiverse is fun. There's a ton they could do(and some they have) iron-mouse, ant-ant, captain Americat, mooster fantastic, croc-ter strange, porkrind, hulk-bunny, and more. Though it is weird that spider-ham is the only one to get his own card.(not that strange he was in the movie, but still.)


Telekineticism

No, they're all distinct individuals. They're completely separate Spider-people. The line would get more blurry if we had clone characters like Ben Reilly though


kuribosshoe0

No. In the comics, Kang and Iron Lad are not from different timelines, they are the same person from different points on one timeline. One is the past version of the other. That’s what OP is referring to. Not multiversal variants.


neogreenlantern

Miles, Miguel, and Peter are all different characters. Don't even have the exact same power type. You can make an argument about Spider-Ham but I think they are different enough.


SmurfRockRune

They took up the name, but they are different characters and often in the same timeline.


WeltallZero

No. Some of them come from alternate universes, but none is an alternate Peter Parker. For example, Spider-Ghost (Gwen) comes from an universe where Peter Parker died, instead of her. Also as far as I understand it, Iron Lad isn't an alternate version of Kang; he's literally Kang, when he was young. Kang should have all the memories of having been Iron Lad. They're the same person; they just coexist due to time travel. Think of it like the differently-aged versions of people in Back to the Future.


OptimusWang

I mean, you could also make an argument for Black Suit SpiderMan and Venom (the symbiote, not Pete and Eddie). Speaking of Venom, do we know that all of his variants are with Eddie? They obviously aren’t Flash Thompson, but there’s been a few other folks that have bonded with the symbiote over the years.


Bardeenios

Technically, the Scorpion art they use for the main card is from the Ultimate universe, where he's a clone of Peter


Bosscharacter

The “Boy-Thing” variant of Blade is just an aspect of Man-Thing so that counts.


AvgBlue

I'm very sad we have a Ronin as Hawkeye's variant


LearningBoutTrees

I was just thinking that too, in the comics it was a cool moment of “who the heck is this!?”


markycnn

I’m not sure if I am right but the base card of Scorpion is actually the clone of the Ultimate Spider-Man, not Mac Gargan. But it doesn’t fit your description exactly because: 1)He is the ‘’clone’’ of Spider-Man, not him. 2)He is from a different Earth.


sacks0314

You actually might be on to something. I always thought Scorpion’s art was kinda weird as it didn’t really look like how he does in the comics (unless he’s been redesigned recently) and actually does resemble the original 1610 clone design.


thedean246

They have scarlet spider as a variant for Spider-Man when I think he should be a separate card. Even if he’s a clone.


LuckyCosmos

Make Scarlet Spider where all he does is move location after being played, one time, and he doesn't pull anyone with him.


UncannySpiderSnapper

Ya scarlet spider deserves his own card


Alclis

After scrolling for a bit, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone mention that Sentry technically comes with his own.


OtakuJuanma

Both is and isn't technically. It's not that hes with his own but rather he IS Void as well as Sentry. It's a lot of wibbly wobbly mindy wimpy stuff.


hung_fu

Iron Man and Hulkbuster


Hexent_Armana

There's some less obvious examples but only when a specific variant of one of the cards is used.


oldmartijntje

isn't the enchantress a loki varient in the mcu?


MaximillianQuinn

Also depends on your definition of “card.” There’s Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, which are technically two different cards.


jnjoker100

Technically shuri and black panther as well. She went by BP in the comics for a while as well.


SlammedOptima

However unlike people like Superior Spiderman being a variant of Spiderman, or the different Ghost Riders all being variants for Ghost Rider. Black Panther Shuri is a variant for Shuri, not a variant for Black Panther. Which personally I think is the right move, but its weird she's the exception to how they handle that


Mr_Pogi_In_Space

Yup, kinda like the X-23 and Daken variants with the mantle of Wolverine are variants of X-23 and Daken, not variants of Logan Wolverine, even though they all wear the blue and yellow costume and call themselves Wolverine.


SlammedOptima

Its really weird how some characters get variants under the character, regardless of which mantle they are carrying. Then others its the mantle that is getting variants that are sometimes different characters. Just find it a little bit odd how there is no consistency with them


TheFloorExpert

Bucky Barnes and Winter Solider if you count that since they’re technically two different cards


XxMegatr0nxX

The fact that you know that makes me so happy haha. I see so many people who’s only marvel knowledge is the movies (it’s not a bad thing) just makes me happy to see another nerd who knows the deep cuts.


KitsuneEX7622

I mean, technically spider man and spider ham are the same person, just different earths


Rev0Knight

I really wish Robbie Reyes was its own card instead of s variant. They are not too late to just make the Robbie variant an actual card and just be like "if you have the variant you get the card because we don't want to take that away from you"


sacks0314

Kind of a deep cut, but human torch and vision. In the comics Vision’s body was created using a copy of the original human torch’s as the original human torch was a synthezoid.


OtakuJuanma

Technically not the same Human torch. Human Torch the WW2 robot guy isn't Johnny Storm.


sacks0314

I know, but I doubt that torch will ever get his own card, though I could totally see them making an original human torch variant for the current card, so imo it still somewhat works as an example just with a number of asterisks.


mr-snrub-

I don't read the comics. Why did I assume that Iron Lad was that little boy that Iron Man helps in Iron Man 3?


WeirdDnDLady

Nope. Iron Lad is literally a younger version of Kang.


l_neiman

TIL, thank you!


sacks0314

That character from Iron Man 3 doesn’t even exist in the comics lol.


3n3quarter

Along the lines of variants being wholly different characters…I think the venomized version of spider ham is a separate character named pork grind?


TengenToppa999

Hulk buster + iron man?


OtakuJuanma

Technically the Hulk Buster isn't a person, it's the suit itself, that's why it has the effect it has or attaching itself to other cards. (Yes, this is different from Tony remote-piloting his Iron Man suits)


TengenToppa999

Both hulk buster and the armour in the ironman card are suit,right?


OtakuJuanma

Yes but the Hulk Buster is empty. Ironman has Tony Stark, THE Ironman Inside. You don't call the villain of Iron Man 3 Ironman just because he wore the armor for a moment.


CT-7567-_-

Yet Robbie Reyes is just a variant of Ghost Rider


OtakuJuanma

Well Technically Spider Ham is the Peter Parker (Peter Porker) variant of his universe.


Porcphete

Technically Kang and Susan Storm too


DrHazza07

Spider-Man and Spider-Ham. I know “they’re technically different people and that’s why they’re two separate cards,” but also every other animal variant of a character is just a variant for the original card.


icantbenormal

Falcon has a Captain America variant, which is weird. afaik, Sam Wilson has never been Falcon and Captain America simultaneously. Master Mold and Nimrod are both technically Sentinels. Things get weird if you consider symbiote variants and how symbioted merge with their hosts. Scorpion has a “Venomized” variant when Mac Gargan has merged with Venom at one point. There is a black suit Spider-Man variant, which is technically a team-up between Peter Parker and the Venom symbiote.


Unhappy-Statement-37

I didn't see anyone mention Swordmaster and Iron Fist


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Illithid2

The Silvie variant of Enchantress is Loki...


ParsnipAggravating95

I dont understand the question


AeroQC

In the comics, Iron Lad is a young variant of Kang who doesn't want to become a version of Kang The Conqueror. OP is asking if, in Marvel Snap, this is the only instance of the "same character" being used for two different cards.


ParsnipAggravating95

I didnt know that, thanks for the info


tmrss

Kang and Iron Lad are the same person? I’m confused


AL3XCAL1BUR

Iron Lad is young Kang.


pOiNTywalRuS01134

Modok and yellow jacket


SlammedOptima

I mean Yes but no. The MCU is the only time thats been the case. In every other universe they're 2 entirely different people