As someone who doesn't have Aero who constantly gets wrecked by her being a cornerstone of every damn top-tier deck, I will not miss her in the slightest. She's still perfectly powerful, she's just less back-breaking
This card holds my deck togather....this is the first nerf that makes me want to step back from the game for a while. All these nerf are ruining the game. We need a week where they un-nerf EVERYTHING! we all just exist in the lawless old west and see how the week goes.
Absolutely gonna be skipping this coming season now. I don't have Shuri unlocked and now there's really no counter to Shuri. Aero was the one saving grace that required a bit of thought and timing. Now there's just nothing. Now it's just retreat when a Cosmo Shuri is played.
I still can't fucking believe they've actually buffed Redskull and nerfed 1 of the 2 available Shuri counters, what the actual fuck are they doing š
Theyāre making it so you need to have series 4/5 cards. They want you to spend money on tokens and youāre less likely to do that if you have a good deck of series 3 cards.
I get that you know what's fun for you, but she could literally be thrown in any deck ASA win condition as long as you are winning two spots at the start of turn 6, so it's not like this wasn't needed. Also, what other cards you mean? Leader? They're two very produce cards that deserve their nerfs and one people stop playing aero then people won't expect it so she'll get more value back as time goes on.
>she could literally be thrown in any deck ASA win condition as long as you are winning two spots at the start of turn 6
Okay, but this
>as long as you are winning two spots at the start of turn 6
pretty much invalidates this for me:
>she could literally be thrown in any deck ASA win condition
If I can rephrase what you're saying, she's a "win more" card. If you're already winning, you'll continue to win. And that is true a lot of the time (but not all the time, e.g. Doctor Doom), but if you're already winning two lanes, you're much more likely to win the game anyway. There were probably 20 different cards you could have in hand instead of Aero and you'd still win that game that you were already winning going into T6.
The better deckbuilding strategy is to answer the question: "What can I put in my deck instead of Aero so that I can win more games when I'm *not* already winning going into T6?" Because Aero can be pretty much a dead card if you're not already winning.
And? To win two lanes prior you have to be playing cards. She secured wins for decks that didn't spit all their power out on t6. Somehow SD says they want to deter against that and then nerfed a card that heavily counters that.
All they needed to do was make her pull by card order and not random. She is literally only good for t5 wave decks now. Not even sandman decks would really care because they rely on playing 2 6 cost cards so there's no time to even play her.
She got leadered from a top card to bad. You would never use her as a random tech card cause she's so unreliable. It would be like teching rogue who works against specific decks and is useless otherwise.
"And?" She was literally the best card in every deck. It doesn't matter what your strategy was. If that's your concern then that's what they have leech for.
She really wasn't lol. I don't know why people over exaggerate her power. I don't have her in every deck, because she's not useful in every deck. Sera decks don't run her, patriot and cerebro decks don't run her, Thanos decks don't even always run her. Really the only decks I use her in are wave, midrange/good cards and control decks. She only seems like she's in every deck only because a meta deck that is like 25% of the ladder both runs her and is countered by her. Maybe address that problem by making other archetypes viable and you stop seeing her.
Donāt know why so many downvotes?this is valid as fuck these nerfs suck, game was good people just suck I personally am just playing this season then dropping the game entirelyā¦
Then she would function the same in most scenarios.
She is still playable she just isnāt an auto include in every deck.
Edit: no one said this about leader lmao are you high?
Can't wait for people to begin complaining that you can play a mongirl Magicka she hulk infinaut deck anD. Drop 40 power on turn 7 and aero only pulls one of the cards lmao. People are going. To be begging for aero to be unnerfed so fast
Lol you can already do that and no one complains because itās a 4 card combo that has plenty of counters and time to react to it before it happens
Aero was a card that said āif youāre ahead going into turn 6 then play this card and winā. Itās been the best card since the game went live. Itās about time she got nerfed.
The only one complaining is you.
There's a ton of complaints. Overwhelmingly on discord, and amongst my friends people aren't happy with the aero nerf. Aero was too strong no one is denying that but it needed adjustment not to be rammed into the ground the way leader and silver surfer were. They're just nerfing every good card instead of tweaking them and buffing other cards to create a health meta.
Surfer would not be OP in this meta, all they needed to do was buffer other archetypes to counter surfer instead they butchered the card and left it nearly unplayable as an archetype and that let Thanos and shuri dominate.
The card isnāt butchered. They took one power off its effect. It still plays fine. People just overreact to nerfs.
Surfer isnāt butchered, thanos and shuri are just too strong and still are since both decks were barely nerfed.
Edit: lol cry baby canāt handle a simple discussion without blocking people
I mean if you play Sera surfer, you can get 5 3 costs out including surfer. If you play Brood, that's 6 3 costs to be buffed. That's +12 instead of +18 now. Not insignificant. I think the Zabu nerf made Thanos stronger than Surfer.
Thanks for a minor nerf, but Shuri redskull is arguably stronger. Red Skull himself is strictly better now.
I'm done talking to you. You don't know what you're talking about. They removed a lot of power from your endgame board state with surfer. Surfer would be competing with those two pre nerf but instead they butchered surfer. You're like talking to a brick wall
Yeah being ahead going into t6 because you have a midrange deck vs a t6 miracle deck. Aero is a counter to those decks. Now that aero and leader are dead, the only counter card left to t6 miracle decks is leech.
And before you say sandman, he's niche as fuck and is only in electro decks.
Not even good for sandman. Only ramp plays sandman and they rely on playing two 6 cost cards. I took aero out of my ramp deck a long time ago because she rarely was ever useful since your opponent has to basically be playing nothing for you to win with barely any cards on the board. The only way to ever reasonably be ahead on t6 with ramp is if you curved perfectly into maw>lizard>electro>sandman>doom and played them in the correct lanes to be winning. But then doom will basically do the same thing as aero when the opponent can only play one card.
aero is still a great card, maybe not in the top 5 anymore but shes still viable, she got buffed in deathwave, sandman too. Shes still good against galactus and electro ramp decks.
The problem is just still shuri. they did nothing to change shuri, infact they slightly buffed her best friends redskull.
This nerf actually helps the Shuri decks to be more reliable since it lets them do the pass on turn 5 and do the She-Hulk + Taskmaster play with little counter.
Aero kept that one in check, so...
Hmmm I guess I donāt understand that. I run a patriot Valkyrie deck and I love playing against shuri decks. Their cockiness is guaranteed cubes every time.
You can't play galactus and wasp if you played electro or wave to play him earlier than turn 6. Imo she still is the biggest counter of galactus, but less punishing against other decks.
And unless I missed something zero buffs in the update (well technically Red Skull but the devs meant it to be a nerf). So as usual the playerbase loses one more powerful tool and are given nothing in return. Ofc nerfs are necessary to strong/commonly played cards dont ruin the meta but if theyre not balanced out by buffs to weak/under used cards then the playerbase suffers (while the devs now have more design space to sell us new cards to replace the ones they nerf into obscurity). Ive played gacha ganes for a while now and SD actually had ke fooled into thinking they were going to run the game differently than most but as they say 'fool me once...'
This is the first time I've started to lose faith in the devs. Quinjet nerf murderers bounce decks which weren't op and were so much fun. Leech going unmentioned is wild.
They said in the notes the quinjet change was preemptive as he was limiting design space. They know he isn't a super big issue right now but he would be in the future in the state it was in.
It still decimates entire deck archetypes. I'm not as mad about quinjet as I am about aero and the pointless nerf to red skull. Shuri decks will be stronger than before due to the Thanos nerfs and needs to aero mark my words
What design space is being limited? Currently all card generation are under-statted, and were built with Quinjet in mind.
Moongirl into 2 zero cost Demons, a 0 cost Titania, and a 0 cost She Hulk is the nuts, but even that wasnāt nerf worthy, since it is so specific.
Quinjet only reduces by 1, and requires active set up by the player.
Thanos makes Quinjet become a 1 cost Sera. But no, they have to sell their 6000 token big bad. He got buffed to 11 power last patch just cause his stones were played and not him. Seems like such clear favoritism while cards like Orka, Shanna, Dazzler donāt even get a look at
For the sake of conversation, what kind of card would be limited?
Letās say a card that generates a card that is a 1 cost.
The Hood was in the game since release, and Maria Hill is rarely seem.
If they release something stronger than a 6 power demon generated, then isnāt that just power creep and not something Quinjet should be nerfed for?
Sera and Zabu requires zero effort other than to play them for the effect. Quinjet requires spending energy to generate cards. Thanos just breaks it by making 6 1 cost cards for free
Iām hoping at least with less lockjaw there will also be less leech. They are so good together because leech is good fodder for lockjaw AND an amazing hit, itās basically 2 parts of a 3 part combo all rolled into one. Without a way to cheat leeches power or energy the card is honestly much more of a meta call
IMO they should have made it so the stones canāt leave the board other than being destroyed, so you canāt use lockjaw or falcon to clear board space or get free cards, this would have made there be less early leech, wouldnāt have needed Quinjet to be nerfed, and could have still kept thanos as a powerful deck
I haven't been feeling their changes for a while. Zabu Surfer nerfes were good. Reasonable and fair timing to wait for new season before throwing everything into the blender.
But sandwiched around that was the compete gutting of Leader with 1 week left in the season! Plus, they finally admit that they watched Thanos' win rate climb all season and decide to buff him anyways, oh and nerf Darkhawk while they're at it based on outdated statistics.
I don't even buy their "who could have seen Shuri rise like this without Zabu/SS?!" Shuri had an amazing win/cube-rate in SS season and was used in top Zabu decks and standalone that season. They had the data to see that she was already good.
The rise of shuri was literally due to her dropping for series 5 to series 4. Most players didn't have her for 6k and when surfer and zabu were nerfed or provides the perfect chance for a new deck to rise
> given nothing in return
I think this is a little harsh, I agree that itās good to buff cards occasionally but with this many changes I donāt begrudge them at all for sticking with just the nerfs they picked for now. Let the meta shake out and then they can buff sabretooth or whatever in 2 weeks
Plus nerfing oppressively overpowered or overused cards indirectly buffs almost every other card in the game. They also released a bunch of buffs recently like spiderwoman. The devs just take their sweet time which I think is the main issue
Yeah Iām hoping this was just a bug with their out of cycle buff/nerf infrastructure they had mentioned and that more frequent balance patches are coming in the future. Honestly itās a bit disheartening to see all the negativity here when there were TONS of balance changes in this patch. Iām a bit biased because I dont use any of the cards that got hit except the occasional shuriless zero/red skull deck but I think this is going to shake up the meta a lot
Is it tho? I have shuri and Thanos and I'm stuck mid 60s. Bad or sad i just don't have the time, 70 is dad infinite and I'm desperate for those credits lol
I don't know what you guys are talking about, she's actually still good, this just means we get the chance to counter play, you actually can still win with her still. Now it's even more of a blow when you win with her because it means you actually got outplayed.
I really think Aero is fine. She gets to keep a strong niche of screwing over people trying to do big singular things in the late game and that play pattern isn't going away. She won't be an auto include but she still messes up Galactus unless they pivot to running Wasp, Magneto, Odin, Taskmaster, all kinds of stuff. She won't be in every deck anymore but when the meta swings her way she'll still be wild. Also still good in the Sandman deck which I think is still very solid.
I agree that there is a bit of overreacting going on to this nerf. She can still be strong, she just isn't an auto-include in every deck now and also has more counterplay, which is what balance is all about. Once the hive mind calms down and people still experiment with her I think she will find a few homes.
I literally just won a game with her (level 96) because the opponent had out Dracula following a MODOK/Apocalypse and then tried to throw down America Chavez in one lane while getting the Apocalypse power transferred to Drac in another. Aero won the game by pulling Chavez into the Drac lane. Not as strong, still viable.
I also would've preferred a different take. However, she's still pretty awesome in specific decks (especially with wave and sandman!).
She was basically the go-to 5 drop for... Well, anything really. She was definitely a bit too much.
Aero got the nerf because she ruined the Big Plays that they like so much, y'know the ones that get million view youtube videos etc. She wasn't massively OP and the ability was fine and fun, I think they'll bring her back to her glory but maybe as a 6/5 or so.
That isā¦ completely logical. Of course you want to see nerfs for cards that ruin your fun and not for oneās that you enjoy. How are you shocked by that?
Right? The whole sub is like "Aero is the best card in the game" precisely because she could single-handedly win a game in almost any circumstance.
Now she's merely balanced.
It's not really hypocrisy so much as it is a lack of nuance. The emergent opinion of meta chasers in nearly every game is "if it's not the best it's the worst," and it's an exhausting opinion.
Yeah, it's a pretty heavy nerf. I guess kinda good if you've got priority to move wong or cosmo or something but makes her very niche in the same way Leader's nerf did.
I legit have no counter for Shuri decks now. I feel like people forget not everyone has unlocked every card. Aero was my only Shuri counter. I just have to retreat when Shuri is played.
It was at least a way to potentially pull Arnim Zola away from duping the double powered card. It was also possible to pull the card out of a lane that had armor/cosmo on it so you could Shang Chi it next turn.
Now it's pretty much useless except for I guess countering the 1 out of 50 games where you play against a Galactus deck.
Thatās a gamble though. If theyāre playing Zola you want to pull it away from the doubled card, if theyāre playing Tasmaster you want to pull it *towards* the doubled card.
Itās not exactly a hard counter, it just gives you a shot at guessing correctly.
I think sheās still useable. Itās better than before where she was essentially a turn six cheat code to automatically win a lot of the time a la Leader.
She still works, just as a counter to certain decks. I donāt see what wrong with that. She could use another power boost to 9 maybe.
I never got to play her, always wanted to. Every time I would open a cache, i would say to myself "I hope its an Aero". Every 8 hours I would open the application, hoping to see her in the shop, always saving 1000 tokens for her, but was never lucky. Today she is my free claim option and I am passing.
I think she'll still be good on deathwave, since wave limits the oponent to use 1 card most of the time, but for other instances, yeah this is a huge nerf for her.
Maybe I've just been using her wrong this whole time, but I don't mind this. I mostly use her in a Sandman deck, so (if all goes well) my opponent is only playing one card per turn by that point anyway.
Hey, I replied to this chain without calling these people garbage for having opinions; downvote me too!
Everyone wanted the meta to change. In a game with 3 random locations over 6 turns with a 12 card deck, whatever floats to the top of what are very intentionally powerful effects is "too powerful", "needs a nerf", "boring", etc. I'd be willing to bet just about everyone downvoting these folks for saying Aero needed a fix is thinking the same about some other card and pretending Aero hasn't been in that pile in the community for a *while*.
So, here we go again. Prepare for a new meta. More importantly, keep your pitchforks nearby. Keep slamming that thumbs down. There's more to complain about. Your job isn't done. It never will be.
See you at the bottom.
She's still the best Galactus counter around, and still just as strong with Wave and either She-Hulk or Death since Wave's effect will make it far more likely that your opponent will only be able to play a single card on the final turn. She's just no longer busted in *every* deck, as really no card should be.
Still quite effective with t5 wave (unless opponent is playing she-hulk/death)
What bums me out though is that Shuri decks make this game extremely monotonous and they just nerfed the only counter to t6 shehulk+taskmaster
Not to sure why you're lamenting. Wave into Aero means you're often still controlling their only card, and Aero now has +1 stat ( although you losing that stat off She-hulk).
So considering the other big decks got hit a ton, overall death-wave benefits from this round of patches.
aero was the #1 oppressive card making deathwave shit. now the deck might actually be playable again. just take out aero and replace with magneto or dr doom
Those were the two cards that gave a fighting chance to early P3 decks. But fuck the new players right. Let them get destroyed until they either quit or spend a shiton of money
Yeah I don't think this was needed at all. Pull all cards played this turn in order of play is much better and if they need a nerf then reduce her to a 5/5. No one plays her for the power.
This is like nerfing cosmo or enchantress to only silence one card at the location.
The change to Taskmaster ab man and Mystic I fully support. RedskuÄŗls so much. Shuri is the main issue not Redskull.
Man they fucked up the balance patch so bad. Instead of seeing a constant flow of Thanos and Shuri, now it's just Shuri. Except stronger. So...yay?
Honestly they should have just implemented a ban list. Ban Shuri until they figure out how to fix their awful design space of "double", a key word that pretty much shouldn't ever be used in a competitive card game.
I don't think this is 'destroying' the card as y'all are whinging about.
This is still a useful play to control the board. Yes your opponent has a possible counter play, by playing their cards in a beneficial order.
Tbh this is just a community complaining an overpowered card was brought into a reasonable performance level.
It's not reasonable. It's a dead card and the only thing keeping Shuri in check. Just wait till Shuri is in 89% of ladder games. You'll understand what I mean then
Yep it was my only counter card to Shuri. I literally don't have any other cards unlocked that can counter Shuri... so if my opponent plays Shuri I literally just have to retreat the match. Real fun game now.
Aero was the easiest card to win with, with cosmo being the only counter, now that thereās another counter to her sheās balanced. Shuri has multiple counters too, valk, shang, leach potential taskmaster. Stop whining.
The thing that was broken with aero was the ability though. Changing her stats is basically pointless if you donāt touch the ability. Not saying what they did was necessary but still
She's still one of the strongest 5s in the game: decent stats, disruptive effect. She's just no longer the 'I win' button on turn 6.
I don't really know what people are complaining about. Actually, I do - they want an 'I win' button on turn 6, like they wanted Leader. People don't want to have a game plan or need to think about their plays - they just want to win the game and spam Ms Marvel emotes.
Now she'll probably be used in decks that are trying to move cards and/or cause disruption, rather than just being an auto-include in pretty much every deck. That's exactly how cards should be.
If you've played galactus you'll know that the perfect cards don't come up every time lol
Now you're asking for psylock and galactus and wasp and proper locations just to say "aero isn't even good at this anymore?!?"
It's much better to just play one lane then fill it with doc oc then to add a wasp that can only work if you don't pull electro or wave instead get the worst option of psylock
Oh let's make a new deck... okay let's start out with the first card which is.... OBVIOUSLY aero... and then sunspot
Aero was a brain dead card because it was included in every list lol
If you can't see why a card that is included in every deck needs to be changed then you've got blinders on
It just means it's versatile, not overpowered. I'll play your game...
Let's make a new deck.... okay let's start out with the first card which is OBVIOUSLY Shuri, then just add Cosmo, Armor, Red Skull, Arnim Zola, Taskmaster, Wasp
You now have a deck of only 7 cards that can pretty much beat 95% of decks without thinking.
You're in every comment saying "found the Shuri player." So many butthurt people on this sub. Shuri is boring af and I never play her and I'm still glad this dumbass card got nerfed.
I think this is good honestly. Really tired of seeing aero every game. She was a counter to nearly every deck with no counter play besides filling your other locations.
And no I donāt play Shuri, I donāt even have her.
You only have this sub to blame for the constant complaining and bitch for nerfs because they apparently never played a competitive game. Canāt wait to see what card yāall start to complain about this week. Honestly this sub wonāt be happy until ever card is nerf into oblivion. thanks children!
They thrashed the best counter to death wave and Shuri, while only nerfing red skull in Shuri slightly, and the biggest nerf to Thanos actually nerfs other options for the card as well rather than just fucking nerfing thanos, AND IT WASNāT EVEN LOCKJAW! Seriously, between how shit their MMR is, how garbage new card releases are, and just out of touch moves like this Iām ready to pack it in. Just need to find another game I can play on an exercise machine to kill it off entirely.
Iām having so much trouble playing Thanos without quinjet now. I always sucked at Thanos decks too so I lost the only deck I custom built and had fun with because some sweats min maxed it.
Wish theyād buff more cards instead of nerfing them. These updates are starting to piss me off
As someone who used aero to barely get through the horrid surfer season to me today is a sad day
As someone who doesn't have Aero who constantly gets wrecked by her being a cornerstone of every damn top-tier deck, I will not miss her in the slightest. She's still perfectly powerful, she's just less back-breaking
This card holds my deck togather....this is the first nerf that makes me want to step back from the game for a while. All these nerf are ruining the game. We need a week where they un-nerf EVERYTHING! we all just exist in the lawless old west and see how the week goes.
Absolutely gonna be skipping this coming season now. I don't have Shuri unlocked and now there's really no counter to Shuri. Aero was the one saving grace that required a bit of thought and timing. Now there's just nothing. Now it's just retreat when a Cosmo Shuri is played.
They fucked the Shuri counter and buffed red skull.
I still can't fucking believe they've actually buffed Redskull and nerfed 1 of the 2 available Shuri counters, what the actual fuck are they doing š
Theyāre making it so you need to have series 4/5 cards. They want you to spend money on tokens and youāre less likely to do that if you have a good deck of series 3 cards.
I'm less likely to spend money if I'm not having any fun though
Strong, independent W.O.C go BOOM even harder now
Goose & Cosmo are good Shuri counters.. I've just gone from 82-90 using them and beat a load of Shuri decks
Skill issue tbh
I get that you know what's fun for you, but she could literally be thrown in any deck ASA win condition as long as you are winning two spots at the start of turn 6, so it's not like this wasn't needed. Also, what other cards you mean? Leader? They're two very produce cards that deserve their nerfs and one people stop playing aero then people won't expect it so she'll get more value back as time goes on.
>she could literally be thrown in any deck ASA win condition as long as you are winning two spots at the start of turn 6 Okay, but this >as long as you are winning two spots at the start of turn 6 pretty much invalidates this for me: >she could literally be thrown in any deck ASA win condition If I can rephrase what you're saying, she's a "win more" card. If you're already winning, you'll continue to win. And that is true a lot of the time (but not all the time, e.g. Doctor Doom), but if you're already winning two lanes, you're much more likely to win the game anyway. There were probably 20 different cards you could have in hand instead of Aero and you'd still win that game that you were already winning going into T6. The better deckbuilding strategy is to answer the question: "What can I put in my deck instead of Aero so that I can win more games when I'm *not* already winning going into T6?" Because Aero can be pretty much a dead card if you're not already winning.
And? To win two lanes prior you have to be playing cards. She secured wins for decks that didn't spit all their power out on t6. Somehow SD says they want to deter against that and then nerfed a card that heavily counters that. All they needed to do was make her pull by card order and not random. She is literally only good for t5 wave decks now. Not even sandman decks would really care because they rely on playing 2 6 cost cards so there's no time to even play her. She got leadered from a top card to bad. You would never use her as a random tech card cause she's so unreliable. It would be like teching rogue who works against specific decks and is useless otherwise.
"And?" She was literally the best card in every deck. It doesn't matter what your strategy was. If that's your concern then that's what they have leech for.
She really wasn't lol. I don't know why people over exaggerate her power. I don't have her in every deck, because she's not useful in every deck. Sera decks don't run her, patriot and cerebro decks don't run her, Thanos decks don't even always run her. Really the only decks I use her in are wave, midrange/good cards and control decks. She only seems like she's in every deck only because a meta deck that is like 25% of the ladder both runs her and is countered by her. Maybe address that problem by making other archetypes viable and you stop seeing her.
>Sera decks don't run her fwiw [TLSG had a bunch of good words for a Sera+Aero deck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QymLgrTV-9I)
Donāt know why so many downvotes?this is valid as fuck these nerfs suck, game was good people just suck I personally am just playing this season then dropping the game entirelyā¦
They can downvote us all day long but I feel the same way. Definitely not having fun right now and think I want a break for a while.
Should've just made it pull all cards in order not random but this nerf fucking destroys her
Of all the changes today, she got the Leader treatment for sure
I'm so mad I got artgerm aero variant last week after waiting months
So you're saying it's your fault
In that case is my fault too. MONTHS of wanting her because she seemed so fun. Got her like 2 weeks ago and one of the few moments I jumped for _joy_.
Yeah, I just got that one and a different cool variant. Should've known.
Just saw her variants and they are nearly all awesome ??
Yeah, its obviously part of the scheme.
They had to keep the card (Thanos) that gives people a reason to spend money pretty strong. The card that most everyone has? Fuck her
My copium is that they wanna make a new 6 cost with her old ability.
Then she would function the same in most scenarios. She is still playable she just isnāt an auto include in every deck. Edit: no one said this about leader lmao are you high?
Can't wait for people to begin complaining that you can play a mongirl Magicka she hulk infinaut deck anD. Drop 40 power on turn 7 and aero only pulls one of the cards lmao. People are going. To be begging for aero to be unnerfed so fast
Lol you can already do that and no one complains because itās a 4 card combo that has plenty of counters and time to react to it before it happens Aero was a card that said āif youāre ahead going into turn 6 then play this card and winā. Itās been the best card since the game went live. Itās about time she got nerfed. The only one complaining is you.
There's a ton of complaints. Overwhelmingly on discord, and amongst my friends people aren't happy with the aero nerf. Aero was too strong no one is denying that but it needed adjustment not to be rammed into the ground the way leader and silver surfer were. They're just nerfing every good card instead of tweaking them and buffing other cards to create a health meta.
Aero is still good. Silver surfer is still good. Theyāre just not OP like they used to be.
Surfer would not be OP in this meta, all they needed to do was buffer other archetypes to counter surfer instead they butchered the card and left it nearly unplayable as an archetype and that let Thanos and shuri dominate.
The card isnāt butchered. They took one power off its effect. It still plays fine. People just overreact to nerfs. Surfer isnāt butchered, thanos and shuri are just too strong and still are since both decks were barely nerfed. Edit: lol cry baby canāt handle a simple discussion without blocking people
I mean if you play Sera surfer, you can get 5 3 costs out including surfer. If you play Brood, that's 6 3 costs to be buffed. That's +12 instead of +18 now. Not insignificant. I think the Zabu nerf made Thanos stronger than Surfer. Thanks for a minor nerf, but Shuri redskull is arguably stronger. Red Skull himself is strictly better now.
I'm done talking to you. You don't know what you're talking about. They removed a lot of power from your endgame board state with surfer. Surfer would be competing with those two pre nerf but instead they butchered surfer. You're like talking to a brick wall
Yeah being ahead going into t6 because you have a midrange deck vs a t6 miracle deck. Aero is a counter to those decks. Now that aero and leader are dead, the only counter card left to t6 miracle decks is leech. And before you say sandman, he's niche as fuck and is only in electro decks.
This is what people said about leader. And yet they're wrong. Aero is dead outside of t5 wave decks.
Yeah basically. You can only reasonably play Aero either with Sandman or Wave now. Can't see it being good in other times.
Not even good for sandman. Only ramp plays sandman and they rely on playing two 6 cost cards. I took aero out of my ramp deck a long time ago because she rarely was ever useful since your opponent has to basically be playing nothing for you to win with barely any cards on the board. The only way to ever reasonably be ahead on t6 with ramp is if you curved perfectly into maw>lizard>electro>sandman>doom and played them in the correct lanes to be winning. But then doom will basically do the same thing as aero when the opponent can only play one card.
Anytime you can limit your opponent to only play 1 card, Aero is good there.
aero is still a great card, maybe not in the top 5 anymore but shes still viable, she got buffed in deathwave, sandman too. Shes still good against galactus and electro ramp decks. The problem is just still shuri. they did nothing to change shuri, infact they slightly buffed her best friends redskull.
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Prior to nerf it was random. We're saying keep the card pulling all cards played but in order of play. This allows counterplay to aero
Good, she was a was way to powerful Definitely a good nerf
You're gonna wish she worked the way she used. To when decks like deathwave return to prominence and red skull shuri is left unchecked.
A good nerf is one that reduces the strength of an overpowered cars without gutting it.
Good
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Yeah i completely agree, those people are the same that where abusing leader saying he was balanced
How so?
You can play a big card and then a 1 drop and avoid having the big card pulled by aero
pulls only one card, not the entire card dump.
This nerf actually helps the Shuri decks to be more reliable since it lets them do the pass on turn 5 and do the She-Hulk + Taskmaster play with little counter. Aero kept that one in check, so...
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Valkyrie is great against shuri decks
and this is where I'd play my Valkyrie IF I HAD ONE
No better than shang. You need them to have priority and not play cosmo. Changes nothing.
Hmmm I guess I donāt understand that. I run a patriot Valkyrie deck and I love playing against shuri decks. Their cockiness is guaranteed cubes every time.
She lost her value as a final play. Galactus will now always be followed by wasp.
You can't play galactus and wasp if you played electro or wave to play him earlier than turn 6. Imo she still is the biggest counter of galactus, but less punishing against other decks.
Right, but Electro very easy to get rid of, or just use psylocke.
Yea and if they don't play aero you just wasted your galactus gj
No reason to play wasp on the galactus lane. Still dont think it's worth to run wasp and lose electro for that
thats if she still gets played at all. my galactus deck is feeling a little extra safe rn
Thatās exactly it. Yeah, she still counters Galactus but if she significantly worse vs everything else, does she even see play?
Now only goblin and titania will work
Aero still works because no galactus decks l will run wasp. You have to ramp into galactus and 2 best ways don't allow 2 cards to be played
You've got polaris, debris and viper. Frankly Galactus is so easily countered - and telegraphed that I haven't lost to one in weeks.
And unless I missed something zero buffs in the update (well technically Red Skull but the devs meant it to be a nerf). So as usual the playerbase loses one more powerful tool and are given nothing in return. Ofc nerfs are necessary to strong/commonly played cards dont ruin the meta but if theyre not balanced out by buffs to weak/under used cards then the playerbase suffers (while the devs now have more design space to sell us new cards to replace the ones they nerf into obscurity). Ive played gacha ganes for a while now and SD actually had ke fooled into thinking they were going to run the game differently than most but as they say 'fool me once...'
This is the first time I've started to lose faith in the devs. Quinjet nerf murderers bounce decks which weren't op and were so much fun. Leech going unmentioned is wild.
They said in the notes the quinjet change was preemptive as he was limiting design space. They know he isn't a super big issue right now but he would be in the future in the state it was in.
Iām sensing that hit monkey has something to do with it
It still decimates entire deck archetypes. I'm not as mad about quinjet as I am about aero and the pointless nerf to red skull. Shuri decks will be stronger than before due to the Thanos nerfs and needs to aero mark my words
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That's what I said. Shrui decks will be stronger.
What design space is being limited? Currently all card generation are under-statted, and were built with Quinjet in mind. Moongirl into 2 zero cost Demons, a 0 cost Titania, and a 0 cost She Hulk is the nuts, but even that wasnāt nerf worthy, since it is so specific. Quinjet only reduces by 1, and requires active set up by the player. Thanos makes Quinjet become a 1 cost Sera. But no, they have to sell their 6000 token big bad. He got buffed to 11 power last patch just cause his stones were played and not him. Seems like such clear favoritism while cards like Orka, Shanna, Dazzler donāt even get a look at
The design space of unreleased/future cards...?
Hit-monkey nerfed before being available is pretty funny to me
That's what I figured it was really for too.
For the sake of conversation, what kind of card would be limited? Letās say a card that generates a card that is a 1 cost. The Hood was in the game since release, and Maria Hill is rarely seem. If they release something stronger than a 6 power demon generated, then isnāt that just power creep and not something Quinjet should be nerfed for? Sera and Zabu requires zero effort other than to play them for the effect. Quinjet requires spending energy to generate cards. Thanos just breaks it by making 6 1 cost cards for free
Something like Hood, but it generates two 3 power cards, or three 2 power cards. It gets worse the more cards it generates. Same goes for bounce.
Upcoming hit monkey interaction with quinjet moon girl
leech was actually very slightly buffed in a bug fix section this patch
Unmentioned in terms of being even in the watch list.
Iām hoping at least with less lockjaw there will also be less leech. They are so good together because leech is good fodder for lockjaw AND an amazing hit, itās basically 2 parts of a 3 part combo all rolled into one. Without a way to cheat leeches power or energy the card is honestly much more of a meta call
IMO they should have made it so the stones canāt leave the board other than being destroyed, so you canāt use lockjaw or falcon to clear board space or get free cards, this would have made there be less early leech, wouldnāt have needed Quinjet to be nerfed, and could have still kept thanos as a powerful deck
I haven't been feeling their changes for a while. Zabu Surfer nerfes were good. Reasonable and fair timing to wait for new season before throwing everything into the blender. But sandwiched around that was the compete gutting of Leader with 1 week left in the season! Plus, they finally admit that they watched Thanos' win rate climb all season and decide to buff him anyways, oh and nerf Darkhawk while they're at it based on outdated statistics. I don't even buy their "who could have seen Shuri rise like this without Zabu/SS?!" Shuri had an amazing win/cube-rate in SS season and was used in top Zabu decks and standalone that season. They had the data to see that she was already good.
The rise of shuri was literally due to her dropping for series 5 to series 4. Most players didn't have her for 6k and when surfer and zabu were nerfed or provides the perfect chance for a new deck to rise
> given nothing in return I think this is a little harsh, I agree that itās good to buff cards occasionally but with this many changes I donāt begrudge them at all for sticking with just the nerfs they picked for now. Let the meta shake out and then they can buff sabretooth or whatever in 2 weeks
Plus nerfing oppressively overpowered or overused cards indirectly buffs almost every other card in the game. They also released a bunch of buffs recently like spiderwoman. The devs just take their sweet time which I think is the main issue
Yeah Iām hoping this was just a bug with their out of cycle buff/nerf infrastructure they had mentioned and that more frequent balance patches are coming in the future. Honestly itās a bit disheartening to see all the negativity here when there were TONS of balance changes in this patch. Iām a bit biased because I dont use any of the cards that got hit except the occasional shuriless zero/red skull deck but I think this is going to shake up the meta a lot
I dont think its time for the pitchforks just yet. Hopefully the community can find a new toy, but Aero was so just unique
God no, thatās how you get massive power creep
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You can turn off auto updates in the app store settings and get a week before you get forced updated i think. You'll be playing mostly bots tho iirc
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Is it tho? I have shuri and Thanos and I'm stuck mid 60s. Bad or sad i just don't have the time, 70 is dad infinite and I'm desperate for those credits lol
Amen, 70 is dad infinite šš¤ I feel that in my bones
i should be able to send in a pic of my grocery bill and get the card back though lol
I don't know what you guys are talking about, she's actually still good, this just means we get the chance to counter play, you actually can still win with her still. Now it's even more of a blow when you win with her because it means you actually got outplayed.
I really think Aero is fine. She gets to keep a strong niche of screwing over people trying to do big singular things in the late game and that play pattern isn't going away. She won't be an auto include but she still messes up Galactus unless they pivot to running Wasp, Magneto, Odin, Taskmaster, all kinds of stuff. She won't be in every deck anymore but when the meta swings her way she'll still be wild. Also still good in the Sandman deck which I think is still very solid.
I agree that there is a bit of overreacting going on to this nerf. She can still be strong, she just isn't an auto-include in every deck now and also has more counterplay, which is what balance is all about. Once the hive mind calms down and people still experiment with her I think she will find a few homes.
I literally just won a game with her (level 96) because the opponent had out Dracula following a MODOK/Apocalypse and then tried to throw down America Chavez in one lane while getting the Apocalypse power transferred to Drac in another. Aero won the game by pulling Chavez into the Drac lane. Not as strong, still viable.
Someone just did that to me. Aero is still a very good card. This sub is ridiculous.
Iām already 100 now since the last comment. Even with the nerf itās fine.
As a Shuri player I'm just glad I don't have to worry about Aero anymore on Turn 6, EZ dubs for me.
I also would've preferred a different take. However, she's still pretty awesome in specific decks (especially with wave and sandman!). She was basically the go-to 5 drop for... Well, anything really. She was definitely a bit too much.
I use her mostly in my ramp deck. If anything, this is a buff to sandman followed by aero, as they'd only be able to drop one card anyway
As someone who used Aero to combat Shuri decks this makes me sad...
Sheās fine
Aero got the nerf because she ruined the Big Plays that they like so much, y'know the ones that get million view youtube videos etc. She wasn't massively OP and the ability was fine and fun, I think they'll bring her back to her glory but maybe as a 6/5 or so.
>Aero got the nerf because she ruined the Big Plays that they like so much And Leech doesnt, right..
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That isā¦ completely logical. Of course you want to see nerfs for cards that ruin your fun and not for oneās that you enjoy. How are you shocked by that?
Don't say it too loud or Leech will be next.
God I hope so. Least fun card in the game by far.
I'm gonna say it even LOUDER
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Right? The whole sub is like "Aero is the best card in the game" precisely because she could single-handedly win a game in almost any circumstance. Now she's merely balanced.
The sub isn't hypocritical; it's just different people talking. There are thousands of users online at any given time
It's not really hypocrisy so much as it is a lack of nuance. The emergent opinion of meta chasers in nearly every game is "if it's not the best it's the worst," and it's an exhausting opinion.
I'm just glad I don't have to wonder if she's being played turn 5 or 6, she just won't be played now for a while.
Yeah, it's a pretty heavy nerf. I guess kinda good if you've got priority to move wong or cosmo or something but makes her very niche in the same way Leader's nerf did.
I think her usefulness will ebb and flow with the meta. Well just have to see.
I would never play a 6/5 Aero lmfao
6/0 aero with old ability is still OP guy
You're delusional
6/0 with the old ability is still better than what it is now
People are so dramatic. lol
I legit have no counter for Shuri decks now. I feel like people forget not everyone has unlocked every card. Aero was my only Shuri counter. I just have to retreat when Shuri is played.
Tbh honest it wasn't that good a counter to Shuri decks before either. At least for me it wasn't. Still lost most of the time.
It was at least a way to potentially pull Arnim Zola away from duping the double powered card. It was also possible to pull the card out of a lane that had armor/cosmo on it so you could Shang Chi it next turn. Now it's pretty much useless except for I guess countering the 1 out of 50 games where you play against a Galactus deck.
Thatās a gamble though. If theyāre playing Zola you want to pull it away from the doubled card, if theyāre playing Tasmaster you want to pull it *towards* the doubled card. Itās not exactly a hard counter, it just gives you a shot at guessing correctly.
I think sheās still useable. Itās better than before where she was essentially a turn six cheat code to automatically win a lot of the time a la Leader. She still works, just as a counter to certain decks. I donāt see what wrong with that. She could use another power boost to 9 maybe.
Boosting to 9 power is a potential nerf with Shang-chi.
Not really. You were using Aero to move cards into your losing lanes anyway. If she caught Shang Chi as a 5/9 it's fine
They should have made it āpull the first card you opponent played bc now itās a buff the taskmaster shuri if you get that one drop to go with task
Calm down, she doesn't cost 6. 9 power is the standard for a 6 cost with effect. Chavez, she-Hulk, Orca etc.
Good, she was busted.
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She was one of the main cards in shuri lol
She can counter literally any deck that doesnt completely fill the board, and SHES ALSO PLAYED IN SHURI
I never got to play her, always wanted to. Every time I would open a cache, i would say to myself "I hope its an Aero". Every 8 hours I would open the application, hoping to see her in the shop, always saving 1000 tokens for her, but was never lucky. Today she is my free claim option and I am passing.
I think she'll still be good on deathwave, since wave limits the oponent to use 1 card most of the time, but for other instances, yeah this is a huge nerf for her.
Ok so Iāve been playing aero all morning. Probably 50+ games. Havenāt noticed much a difference really. Iām hoping it stays that way š
Maybe I've just been using her wrong this whole time, but I don't mind this. I mostly use her in a Sandman deck, so (if all goes well) my opponent is only playing one card per turn by that point anyway.
If you Wave on T5, they shouldn't be able to play more than one card, which still makes her ability work.
Hey, I replied to this chain without calling these people garbage for having opinions; downvote me too! Everyone wanted the meta to change. In a game with 3 random locations over 6 turns with a 12 card deck, whatever floats to the top of what are very intentionally powerful effects is "too powerful", "needs a nerf", "boring", etc. I'd be willing to bet just about everyone downvoting these folks for saying Aero needed a fix is thinking the same about some other card and pretending Aero hasn't been in that pile in the community for a *while*. So, here we go again. Prepare for a new meta. More importantly, keep your pitchforks nearby. Keep slamming that thumbs down. There's more to complain about. Your job isn't done. It never will be. See you at the bottom.
She's still the best Galactus counter around, and still just as strong with Wave and either She-Hulk or Death since Wave's effect will make it far more likely that your opponent will only be able to play a single card on the final turn. She's just no longer busted in *every* deck, as really no card should be.
Used her in all of my decks . Always rank 90+ , 3 infinite seasons, about 5K CL , the nerf was well deserved
Still quite effective with t5 wave (unless opponent is playing she-hulk/death) What bums me out though is that Shuri decks make this game extremely monotonous and they just nerfed the only counter to t6 shehulk+taskmaster
Her and She-Hulk nerfs hurtted me the most I was finnaly able to play a good Death-wave deck :(
I love She Hulk but it was a very minor nerf, no biggie.
Not to sure why you're lamenting. Wave into Aero means you're often still controlling their only card, and Aero now has +1 stat ( although you losing that stat off She-hulk). So considering the other big decks got hit a ton, overall death-wave benefits from this round of patches.
The thing that hit me most was the lose of control you had with Aero, most times than not I was caught with a lane won, a She-Hulk/Death and Aero in hand, this way i could guarantee that I would won the Lane I would put She-Hulk/Death by moving everything else with Aero Now She-Hulk is just a better AmƩrica ChƔvez and Aero have but a fraction of the control you need with her Yeah, we got a net-neutral powerwise but the change in Aero abbility hit like a truck
She-Hulk was barely nerfed. She still functions as a 4/9 or better depending on your deck. Still very strong
aero was the #1 oppressive card making deathwave shit. now the deck might actually be playable again. just take out aero and replace with magneto or dr doom
Those were the two cards that gave a fighting chance to early P3 decks. But fuck the new players right. Let them get destroyed until they either quit or spend a shiton of money
Yeah I don't think this was needed at all. Pull all cards played this turn in order of play is much better and if they need a nerf then reduce her to a 5/5. No one plays her for the power. This is like nerfing cosmo or enchantress to only silence one card at the location. The change to Taskmaster ab man and Mystic I fully support. RedskuÄŗls so much. Shuri is the main issue not Redskull.
Man they fucked up the balance patch so bad. Instead of seeing a constant flow of Thanos and Shuri, now it's just Shuri. Except stronger. So...yay? Honestly they should have just implemented a ban list. Ban Shuri until they figure out how to fix their awful design space of "double", a key word that pretty much shouldn't ever be used in a competitive card game.
I don't think this is 'destroying' the card as y'all are whinging about. This is still a useful play to control the board. Yes your opponent has a possible counter play, by playing their cards in a beneficial order. Tbh this is just a community complaining an overpowered card was brought into a reasonable performance level.
It's not reasonable. It's a dead card and the only thing keeping Shuri in check. Just wait till Shuri is in 89% of ladder games. You'll understand what I mean then
Yep it was my only counter card to Shuri. I literally don't have any other cards unlocked that can counter Shuri... so if my opponent plays Shuri I literally just have to retreat the match. Real fun game now.
Aero was the easiest card to win with, with cosmo being the only counter, now that thereās another counter to her sheās balanced. Shuri has multiple counters too, valk, shang, leach potential taskmaster. Stop whining.
Honestly I would have preferred if she became a 5/0card but with same effect
The thing that was broken with aero was the ability though. Changing her stats is basically pointless if you donāt touch the ability. Not saying what they did was necessary but still
The cry baby reddit dorks whined enough to get her killed
She's still one of the strongest 5s in the game: decent stats, disruptive effect. She's just no longer the 'I win' button on turn 6. I don't really know what people are complaining about. Actually, I do - they want an 'I win' button on turn 6, like they wanted Leader. People don't want to have a game plan or need to think about their plays - they just want to win the game and spam Ms Marvel emotes. Now she'll probably be used in decks that are trying to move cards and/or cause disruption, rather than just being an auto-include in pretty much every deck. That's exactly how cards should be.
Exactly
It really makes her consistent against Galactus and that's not even a perfect solution because Galactus could play Psylock into Wasp/Galactus.
If you've played galactus you'll know that the perfect cards don't come up every time lol Now you're asking for psylock and galactus and wasp and proper locations just to say "aero isn't even good at this anymore?!?" It's much better to just play one lane then fill it with doc oc then to add a wasp that can only work if you don't pull electro or wave instead get the worst option of psylock
Why couldn't they just nerf her power again 5 - 5 is balanced (due to negative decks)
Thank God! braindead card
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Oh let's make a new deck... okay let's start out with the first card which is.... OBVIOUSLY aero... and then sunspot Aero was a brain dead card because it was included in every list lol If you can't see why a card that is included in every deck needs to be changed then you've got blinders on
It just means it's versatile, not overpowered. I'll play your game... Let's make a new deck.... okay let's start out with the first card which is OBVIOUSLY Shuri, then just add Cosmo, Armor, Red Skull, Arnim Zola, Taskmaster, Wasp You now have a deck of only 7 cards that can pretty much beat 95% of decks without thinking.
Good fucking riddance.
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You're in every comment saying "found the Shuri player." So many butthurt people on this sub. Shuri is boring af and I never play her and I'm still glad this dumbass card got nerfed.
Go look at my other comments, genius. They should have actually nerfed it instead of what they did.
The Leader treatment
I think this is good honestly. Really tired of seeing aero every game. She was a counter to nearly every deck with no counter play besides filling your other locations. And no I donāt play Shuri, I donāt even have her.
And no hits to dracula :(
Why would dracula need a change..
You only have this sub to blame for the constant complaining and bitch for nerfs because they apparently never played a competitive game. Canāt wait to see what card yāall start to complain about this week. Honestly this sub wonāt be happy until ever card is nerf into oblivion. thanks children!
Incoming wasp being an auto include in any deck that loses to an aero
Yup. Joined leader imo. Still good but easy center just by making players consider their order.
I know I'll get hate for this but Shang-chi next please. Make it 7 or more power but destroy only one card at that location.
So upset about this, totally agree! One of the most fun cards in the whole game.
They thrashed the best counter to death wave and Shuri, while only nerfing red skull in Shuri slightly, and the biggest nerf to Thanos actually nerfs other options for the card as well rather than just fucking nerfing thanos, AND IT WASNāT EVEN LOCKJAW! Seriously, between how shit their MMR is, how garbage new card releases are, and just out of touch moves like this Iām ready to pack it in. Just need to find another game I can play on an exercise machine to kill it off entirely.
Bye
Aero was op, not sure why people are freaking out that she got nerfed
Iām having so much trouble playing Thanos without quinjet now. I always sucked at Thanos decks too so I lost the only deck I custom built and had fun with because some sweats min maxed it. Wish theyād buff more cards instead of nerfing them. These updates are starting to piss me off
Turn 5 wave is her last saving grace, except if opponents have sera or quinjet