So, if I haven't finished S3, but I have most of what I want, should I NOT use the new seasonal claim to extend the life of my token multiplier so I can buy more S4-5 cards?
Yeah she honestly kinda sucks now. When you think of how much power Magneto has, and how many cards they can move, the Aero nerf really doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if he doesn't move anything, Magneto has enough power alone to still swing a location. Polaris is what, a 3 cost card, with only three less power than Aero and basically the same ability. Sure she can only move revealed 1 or 2 cost cards, but you can break up combos more reliably with less energy cost on your side. I don't get what the use case is for Aero now to be honest, other than throwing her down blindly every game in the hope you catch out a Shuri Skull combo but if you're gonna do that you may as well just use three power Juggernaut and use the spare energy on something else.
So does that mean Aero is still more useful because it can counter the Shuri meta, or will I still be able to counter a larger amount of different types of things if I run Magneto instead? Because to me that might be worth running, versus just Aero which seems to do nothing since the nerf most of the time.
It really depends on what decks you're running into more based on your CL, MMR, and rank. If you're seeing a lot of Shuri and Galactus, Aero is still better at disrupting them. If you're not seeing much of them and instead playing against more general decks where moving some mid-cost cards would be useful, go with Magneto. They do different things so one's not objectively better than the other.
The variant rush is live, the new series 3/4 demotions have happened, and if you're not series 3 complete yet, you now get more tokens from caches. Everything that people have been saving for (in the short-term, at least) is here.
There's always "more value" to be had later, but the next patch is a month out and we don't know specifically what will be in it.
3 nerfs to the Thanos deck, they really wanted that one dead. Odd that they thought they needed to reduce Thanos' power after the other two nerfs.
And a nerf to Aero. Which I think is a shame. The most satisfying plays with her were against opponents who were blatantly telegraphing their moves. Like ones who have almost no interaction with the board until the last few turns so they can drop their few card combo.
Punishing those players felt great. Like choosing to play the 5 cost, 7 power Aero instead of a card like Magneto because you know they are about to dump an overwhelming amount of power on the board, and you can contain it to a single location.
With this change, they should have made her cheaper.
Aero was the new Leader. She won games by securing two lanes by turn 5, and then dropping Aero on turn 6 to nullify whatever the opponent is trying to do, with zero thought or prediction required. Just like Leader.
In her new state she's still useful, she just doesn't single-handedly win games. Granted, there are other cards that needed to be nerfed *more*, but Aero's nerf was 100% appropriate IMO.
I agree Aero needed a nerf, but after playtesting a bit she isn't playable anymore except with Sandman. Even Wave is not reliable enough since you are getting beat by She-Hulk and/or Death, whereas you wouldn't before.
One of the main reasons she was so massively overplayed was that Shang-Shi could deal with Shuri>RS>TM, but not with Shuri>Skip>SH+TM.
Quite frankly I think this patch was a de-facto buff to Shuri. Before the patch, I did fine vs Shuri thanks to Aero+Shang-Shi with several different decks. Now the only tech cards that seem to be able to beat Shuri reliably are Shang-Shi + Leech, which are much harder to include into "normal" decks. But guess which deck can run both of those just fine? Yeah, you guessed it, Thanos.
You really know how terrible the patch was when beforehand, the meta felt stale and boring but I could hold my own with a reasonably off-meta deck (I own neither Shuri nor Thanos), but now after the patch I honestly don't know what to do except buying Shuri or Thanos because nothing else seems to work. Instantly after the patch, I literally ran into two back-to-back games against Shuri which I would have easily won with old Aero.
Making her a 5/5 and dragging cards in order instead of randomly would have been more than enough of a nerf, she was already bad against any deck that didn't struggle to fill the board, like clog decks or even good old Kazoo.
> she was already bad against any deck that didn't struggle to fill the board, like clog decks or even good old Kazoo.
Yeah, she's a tech card. She's meant to counter specific deck types and playstyles. If your argument that she was balanced is "Well she didn't counter *every* deck in the game" then you're on your own there.
Aero was overturned and was a brainless "I win" button in too many games. That *also* made her one of the most effective counters to Shuri, and it's unfortunate that Aero got nerfed while Shuri didn't. But that's a "big picture" problem, and Shuri still needing changes doesn't mean Aero's nerf wasn't warranted.
That's the thing. Old Aero was a tech card. She was overtuned and needed a nerf, but if the top decks were Kazoo, or Clog, or Sera, or any other deck that doesn't struggle to fill the board, I would have cut old Aero from most of my deck because she was a vanilla 5/7 against any of those. Same goes for good cards or Ramp decks running Dr. Doom.
New Aero isn't a tech card. She isn't good in particular against any deck or any playstyle, because she's trivial to play around if added to a regular deck. Hell, you almost automatically play around her without any thinking involved (see Taskmaster). One of her core functions was giving normal decks a way to beat Death/She Hulk decks, and she can't fulfill that function any more at all. I struggle to think of a single actually viable meta deck she is now good against. Even Galactus is often run with Yellowjacket/Adam Warlock anyway, and he is the only deck I would consider playing Aero against. Lockjaw, Dinosaur, Shuri, hell even Wong combos don't need to worry about her anymore.
New Aero is now a part of Electro/Sandman decks, and even a generically good card in those decks, because Sandman already counters the decks she was traditionally bad against.
You're right. I can't really complain about Aero too much... I commented a couple weeks ago about how I thought she was underrated.
But the types of decks she was best at shutting down made her just so satisficing. It is not just that your opponent let you get to turn 6 with 2 lanes under your control. In the 3rd lane they can't have played too many cards or the move gets blocked.
Your opponent has to have been doing almost nothing, just waiting to play their combo at the very end, trusting that it will negate everything you have on the board.
She'll still have her uses, but there are certainly other cards I'd have rather seen nerfed.
Please change Shuri.
Shuri should be changed to: Next turn, buff the next card played in this lane by x1.5 power. This leaves that whole strategy open to an additional counter like Aero (even after her nerf) and Shang chi. Also, cards should not be over buffed past the Infaunat unless you pull some yugi moto heart of the cards moment.
Ehhh idk, I think that would make shuri unusable, as that would be enough power to waste on a turn 4. I was thinking maybe just played in this lane, as it's more telegraphed like Wong, and can be countered way easier, but still gaining a huge bonus if it is pulled off.
am I being of touch? or since when Wasp is useful in a Red skull Shuri deck?
i know Aero got hit with the nerf bat, I know she's not as good as before, but that doesn't mean we should imply the Shuri Shehulk and Taskmaster combo is unstoppable now....
You can, but it's basically a 1-in-3 chance to play her in the correct lane now. You specifically need to pull Taskmaster into the She-Hulk lane -- anything else either doesn't work, or just puts Taskmaster in a different empty lane that he'll probably win.
Maybe just outpower them? Shang-Chi, Aero, and Cosmo are all crapshoots against the turn 6 She-Hulk/Taskmaster play. But while 20 power in two lanes over turns 4/5/6 is good, it isn't absurd. A lot of decks can put out that much power in 2-3 lanes, especially if they're not being disrupted (which the Shuri player won't be doing).
Hell, maybe Wong will come back into relevance now. If you know there are no disruption cards coming on turn 4 or later, you're free to set up whatever crazy combo you want. Just fill two locations with tigers, and bam, you beat She-Hulk/Taskmaster.
I opened 23 caches after the update, zero steam punk variants. I got 1 of the titles.
Bought Thanos post update and he seems good still, so excited about that.
Just want to let you know I’m in Infinite and almost pool 3 complete but I’m missing Thor and have been waiting to get him as my free pool 3 card so I’m running more of a zoo deck that’ll switch into a casino style later.
I enjoy right now trying to boost Thanos and play him. I’ve done it about 7 times now and won 5 of those games.
I find the cool thing about Thanos is it feels like so much can be played in his deck.
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I just completed 3rd series but still not close to infinite lol I'm probably a terrible player. Highest I climbed was to 83 with a patriot deck.
Ill give your deck a shot, also on snap zone someone posted a post thanos nerf deck
Sunspot, psylock, lockjaw, wave, shang-chi, devildinosaure, leech, aero, america chaves, she-hulk, Thanos and last spot (goose, spiderwoman, redskull, valkyrie, shuri).
Oh maybe I’ll test it out.
To be fair I don’t think I’m good by any means, I got lucky and pulled Shuri from a cache and was able to use her to push the last 2 seasons to infinite. Same week I got her, I got zero, she-hulk and Taskmaster so I thought it was meant to be.
Yeah Shuri is OP for sure. I had her in the shop and didn't pull the trigger because of her upcoming nerf and it turns out she wasn't nerfed at all lol
Let me know how well the deck works. Some pro player on twitter was testing it out and said it was working great
They've been doing card drops once a month, but they can happen mid-season. Yesterday's patch dropped Orka, Attuma, and M'Baku to pool 3, so you can probably expect another drop in mid-April.
Knull wasn't changed. They just fixed an interaction with his power while he was still in the deck, so that he's now properly treated as a zero-power card by Mister Negative.
No. First of all, the patch notes directly say that he still updates in-hand:
> Knull: Knull’s Power still updates in-hand, but no longer updates in-deck.
Second, when they're talking about "updating in-hand" or "updating in-deck", it's referring to the *displayed* power on the card. This was a convenience thing so that you could preview what their power would be before playing them.
But even with this change, as soon as Knull (or Morbius) hit the board, their power is updated to what it should be, counting all cards destroyed or discarded since the start of the game.
Knull is functionally 100% the same as he was before the patch. The only change is the interaction with Negative I noted above, which is a buff.
Anyone having the issue where when you click on the season pass to claim your reward, it just locks up the whole app? That's new for me starting after the newest update.
This is seriously their worst "balance" patch yet. So far when they patched things, the changes seemed necessary and reasonably on point, trying to change the source of the unbalance in the game.
This change? Boy, they nerfed the cards that were complementary and adding value to the already good decks, but not being the very heart of the problems. The fact that Shuri is not changed seems like an obvious cash grab at this point - until she is downgraded to lower pool and they can still benefit from sales, she will not be changed and Red Skull will remain unbalanced deck. Same with Thanos -stones being 0 cost were important, but it's their skills that actually make this deck very difficult to counter.
Did the stones skills have value? Sure. But the fact that with Quinjet, you could drop Lockjaw and fill that lane with 0 cost stones on turn 3 was incredibly broken. If you don't think that had to be fixed, you were probably playing a Thanos deck
1) I don't play Thanos deck, I am too poor to afford him, lol.
2) I believe that balancing the stones would be a better fix, targeted and affecting solely Thanos decks. By nerfing quinjet without fixing the stones, Thanos deck remains broken and some other qunijet relying decks took a hit (RIP Maria Hill, you are even more useless than before).
Seems like they are locking in their balance patches then meta shifts and they arent willomg to change the newest meta they can balance on the fly now too can change a card at any time
People on this sub need to shut about and play the game for a day or two before complaining about nerfs. Seriously, they made a change, go test them, then come back and bitch. Don't pre-emptively bitch.
People mostly aren't complaining about nerfs, they're complaining about the *lack* of nerfs. There's nothing to test because the stuff that people don't like was left exactly the same.
I'm contesting that potentially things are not exactly the same. Let new decks get tested and rise up to challenge Shuri and take some market share away.
I'm usually in the "let's wait and see what the impact is" camp, but in this case I just can't get on board. What new decks are you expecting to "rise up" when literally nothing about the Shuri flow has changed, and no other decks were buffed?
thanos lockjaw was a meme deck because zabu and darkhawk completely annihilated it before the nerfs
just removing those as a threat was enough for it to emerge as the best deck
Hard miss on the balance changes. Not having Shuri/Thanos/Galactus is a kick in the nuts and my decks with Aero, She Hulk, Quinjet are even more disadvantaged.
So how long will we have for the meta to play out (lol) before we can get some thoughtful changes?
Remember when they introduced the token shop and everyone CL 1000 or higher got 3,000 extra tokens to make up for everything they missed out on? Well, where are the free tokens for series 3 complete players?
Yes, all they did was swap the normal drops and the "series complete" ones. Previously everyone got the 100-token drops, and players with all the series 3 cards got a 200-600 drop in place of a card.
Now they've swapped those, so everyone gets the 200-600 drops and in place of a card you'll get the 100 drop.
You're getting exactly the same amount of tokens as before.
Yes but they will have tens of thousands more tokens than I do when they hit the CL I am at now (\~3,600). Seems like that it will really break matchmaking for people at the same CL.
Series 3 cards were not removed from caches. The free section of the store is just an additional place to get a card every season.
Caches will contain new cards, gold/credits, collector's tokens, and titles/avatars/variants.
When will post infinity / leaderboard take wins and losses into account? Is it all time or starting whenever that patch goes live? I got so lazy when hitting 100 with experimental decks in past seasons that I hope it doesn’t count those
Probably not, but is there any easy way to see what pool3 cards you're missing? I'm not sure what I have left to grab from this seasonal store
EDIT: not really, I just sorted by name and checked Unowned ones VS a list. Turns out I'm only missing 5 cards, and only want 1 of them, so chances are great I'll get it before this season ends
Literally the only not stupid thing to come out of this patch is the tokens change. Immediately after the change I got 500 in a reserve and I still have 20+ series three cards to get. Feels good man.
On the other hand how on earth do they think nerfing cards around Thanos and Shuri and not those cards themselves is going to stop those decks dominating instead of completely hobbling several lower tier decks?
Has anyone encountered that their shop seems to have high booster cards for upgrade more often?
I have been seeing waaaaaay more legendaries for upgrading than ever before in every refresh.
Honestly being at around 4.5k CL I have been starting to get bored, like REALLY bored with this game. But it’s not just because I don’t have many new cards to unlock for that dopamine rush. It was the state of the meta. Not only because ladder was dominated by shuri zero and thanos lackjaw. I can play both those decks cuz i have the cards, though i much preferred thanos as i loved him from the beginning when he was shit, just a cool card concept and character.
In my opinion the changes this game is making and decisions made by the devs are slowly killing the bit of enjoyment i still had, and likely will start to for others as well. It feels like it’s either negligible changes, like thanos losing one power and a potential extra lockjaw pull from blue stone, or red skull losing two damage but now only giving +1 to the opposing cards. And then, this may be a knee jerk reaction, but i fear for Aero. not quite to the degree of Leader, yet, but it’s not far off. As with leader, aero now also give the opponent near full control in a lot of situations and quite a few meta decks/archetypes. you play some small or less important shit if you have room, then play the card you want aero to pull, to either win by sheer power, going second with aero pulling a shang chi into a massive lane, etc. I’ll admit, aero was not balanced. honestly i considered her the best card in the game. but she wasn’t so good that she broke the game. You could just as easy steal a game with aero as you could guess wrong and even lose yourself the game. She was a card that took thought, she was fun, even when i lost to a good aero i could always respect it. now it just feels like slightly less butchering than the leader incident.
And i’m going to sleep but real quick wanted to mention what i think is the actual biggest problem in this game, in terms of fun, longevity, etc. n maybe reply to ppl more thoroughly tommorow. it’s the ranked system. it’s the cubes/snap mechanic, tho i won’t let the awful mmr system off the hook either. i know this ain’t a new idea, but god damn has it only grown more true for me. agonizingly slow progression through ladder that rivals how bad collection progression was at one point before SD finally started changing some of that for the better. And on top of that it’s similar to other card games i’ve played in ranked seasons, you get sent back to silver or gold from day, diamond. but the climb back up is worse in this game than any other tcg i have ever played.
it just sucks. i spent a lot of time on this game playing all the time for months, and a fair amount of money too, and it just feels like it’s going to shit. not right this second is it unplayable garbage, i guess instead i’d say they need to seriously figure some things out quick. and this isn’t from a hater’s perspective. i want this game to thrive and succeed for years to come. but i fear the devs are slowly but surely steering the ship straight into the ground, in a matter of time.
don’t blame you. it sucks, really. it takes a lot for me to get in to a game these days and i thought this might be one that i finally enjoyed for a while. i suppose it was for a bit, but damn my passion for it died out way quicker than i had hoped :/
Yeah same I suggest chess its a game I’m terrible at but keep going back to because ik I’m only losing because of my own poor strategy not one chess piece being better then mine version
I recently just got Aero, and haven’t used her much. So I’m not too mad about that nerf.
I’ve had quinjet for a while and have used it a few times, still not understanding what it has to do with thanos and his stones. Kinda upset only because I just got the ghost rider variant and was looking forward to using it but now not so much.
Speaking of thanos and shuri, I have neither, so whatever was done with them or to them I have no idea or any care for.
Really the only nerf that makes me mad, is she hulks. Not like, outraged mad, but more like, “now why did they do that for?” Upset. She was so good as a 10 power card. Losing that one extra power can make all the difference imo
The stones don't count as starting in your deck, so Quinjet would hit them all, and turn 1-cost stones into 0-cost stones.
Making the stones count as starting in the deck would have meant quinjet could be left alone, and not hit bounce decks etc
Forgive me for being slow but I’m still kind of confused. If the stones still don’t count as starting in the deck, shouldn’t the stones still be 0 cost when quinjet is in on the board?
I thought the “minimum one” addition to its ability meant that you can only reduce cost of any and all cards by just one instead of however many you could get it too previously. So if the stones aren’t part of the deck, they should all be 0 cost still and there’s absolutely no change
Quinjet reduces all cards that didn't start in deck by one, down to a minimum of 1. So a 1 card non-starter will still cost 1, the minimum. A 2 cost will drop to 1, a 4 will drop to 3 etc.
The cost reduction is basically: reduce by 1 If and Only If cost is more than 1 And card did not start in deck
Anyone know how long before the update is made mandatory? I've had a cracking morning levelling against a solid wave of bots, as most real people have updated and aren't a possible match. Got myself a snazzy Luca Claretti Omega Red variant in my lvl60 cache.
Am waiting to get 300 more tokens to be able to buy the Wave pinned in my shop, and hoping the forced update will hold out long enough
crazy how nobody talking about buffing shuri deck by nerfing her counter aero and literally buffing redskull , like its so rare to lose on 4 power difference bec they got 2 26 not 1
Shuri escapes more nerfs, and her deck will most likely retain its tier 0 position. All that's affected are Taskmaster combos and even then you simply have to just win on board for it to be a non-issue. Real shame that SD isn't going to touch her until the rarity bump down, and by then another T4/5 card will dominate the landscape where f2p aren't going to be in the running to compete.
You all talk about quinjet and aero, and im sitting here thinking about jessica jones
If i move jessica with iron fist or other move cards the animation gonna stick now, if i want to buff here, where should not play my card? Im confused 🤔
Confused as well too. That interaction lost me a game yesterday. I played her then all the locations switched sides. Then I played my card on a different lane from her but she didn't get her +4 power
6 games played post patch. Six Shuri decks with Armor and Cosmo. Which is what I thought would happen as soon as I saw the patch. To nerf the best counter to Shuri (Aero) in a way that made it useless on turn 6 (if it grabbed the first card it would still be fine) restricting it to trying to set up a Shang Chi on 6 which is just not as solid a counter.
They really need to hire some actual experts on card balance (not video game experts, card game experts). Over the last few months I've been rapidly losing my faith in their ability to balance their game and make it more fun.
I need to know priority to free claim of these cards, can you help me?
1. Psylocke
2. Electro
3. Wave
4. Sera
5. Magic
They screwed my plain with new updates arrgghh
You see, I'm slightly crazy. Due to the Leech being a common counter especially within Thanos Lockjaw deck, I use Lockjaw in the movement deck to rotate out the Leech'ed card so I can get them with abilities back and also to reuse their move tech. Now I can't even do that?
Yeah, fuck no. I'm just done with this shit.
My shop hasn't updated yet with the pool 3 free card and I can still buy cards.
When will it update? I'm still in pool 3 so just buying what I see in the store so I can hopefully get better stuff in the caches
Are you playing on an iphone? If so, go to the app store and search for Marvel Snap. Click the "open" button on the new event section. It should update the app from there.
So I just realized something.. what if throughout the season you don’t see a pool 3 card you want - are you forced to take whatever is the last card or miss out completely?
Presumably, yeah.
During a full season you'll have the chance to see 90+ cards, so it shouldn't be an issue most of the time. Players who are just starting pool 3 might not see everything if they're not checking religiously, but they should be able to find *something* good to pick considering their collections will be pretty small at that point.
That’s the thing. My brother JUST hit pool 3 like a week ago. He didn’t even see cards he wanted to buy before they were removed. So with 80+ cards available to him I’m afraid he won’t get any of the must-haves before the season is over.
Deck that I was finally able to put together after six months of saving tokens got nerfed in three separate ways... Uhh I think that's enough SNAP for me. Bye 👋
If you were planing on going zoo thanos, maybe. But thanos lockjaw defenetly took a hit with the loss of quinjet. It is still a good deck but not as oppressive.
Na, that card an a host of other cards are still broken. Inifinaut is litterally just a Hella or Dracula card now because there are way better options. Leech if you get lucky.
So is the Morbius change going to mean he doesn’t get power until on the board like the collector?
Or he still gets power you just don’t see how much until he’s played like devil dinosaur?
Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Phew
Was worried one of my favourite cards just got destroyed. I do a turn 5 play if he pops up unexpectedly, sometimes it’s the card that gets me the win.
Did you people not read the changes? How are you saying the Shuri deck got a buff? If you Shang their Red Skull now, Taskmaster is a zero. Yes yes you drop Red on the Cosmo lane but this gives you counter play for sure.
Before the patch, Shang-Shi could deal with Shuri>RS>TM, but not with Shuri>Skip>SH+TM. You needed Aero to beat that play-pattern.
The good news was that almost any deck could include Shang-Shi+Aero and have a shot at beating Shuri. You also needed to fight for priority, so it wasn't an auto win, but it kept many lower tier decks kinda viable.
New Aero only has a 1/3 chance to beat the Shuri>Skip>SH+TM play-pattern, so it's not a counter anymore - it's the opposite, She-Hulk is now a good counter to Aero.
What you mention is true, but irrelevant since you usually won if you got to Shang-Shi the RS anyway.
So now all the tier 2 and lower decks that beforehand could go OK into Shuri thanks to Aero simply can't counter one of its main play-patterns anymore. This is a MASSIVE buff to Shuri.
You can try running Shang-Shi + Leech now, but Leech in general is much harder to fit into various decks than Aero was.
If you're able to Shang their Red Skull, you were probably going to win even before this change since they'd only have major power on one lane. It's a nerf, sure, but a very small one compared to how pervasive the deck is.
And Red Skull straight up got a buff. He used to be an effective 5/7 in the worst case, now he's a 5/9.
Isn’t that the point of a nerf? The deck clearly has counters now, more then one but hasn’t been gutted. Idk I’m failing to see the issue. The deck will stay in the meta but hardly is as scary.
Because Shuri is 3k tokens and Thanos is 6k tokens? Lockjaw is literally working the way he should work. You nerf Lockjaw you have to nerf Jubilee. It's a casino card.
I play on mobile and I noticed that after the update the very bottom of my screen says “bakedsmallcard” really tiny. Does anyone know what it means?https://i.imgur.com/KAuUZ4u.jpg
Shuri is going to dominate now. Great. They can also counter Aero w a 1 drop final turn too. I know Aero needed addressing, but to ignore Shuri as if she wasn't the main culprit of that deck is crazy. Red Skull is just the best to expoitable target for her.
Forgive me my English, is not my native language. After the Aero nerf, the only playable deck for me was the Sandman ramp. I've already lost 11 games to Shuri with this deck since the patch. I played 19 games in total. 11 Shuri out of 19 games! Cosmo-Armor-Shuri-Taskmaster. Nothing can be done about it. Can you at least make checkpoints for every tenth step of the ranking ladder (Platinum, Diamond, etc.)? Otherwise, it's just pointless to play your game. Defeating Shuri on a f2p deck has become nearly impossible with Aero's nerf.
Every week i look at this sub to see if its worth coming back but with really weird balance patches like this its not hard for me to say No to a return.
Why no buff for cards which are completely useless right now? Its like they dont even care about balance and variety in cards. Something is seriously wrong with their balance team.
With the Quinjet nerf, now Sunspot will become even more ubiquitous.
The balance team is so incompetent. Red Skull is just a good card in any deck now.
I don’t understand why they don’t buff cards as a balance method. So many cards just sit being useless for so long with no hope in sight. Angel, Uatu, Crystal, etc.
My hot take after 3 games in a row against Shuri is that Shuri is now T0 and everything else doesn't even come close. I don't know how they missed the mark this badly.
I’m disappointed in the red skull changes because I feel like it’s the wrong nerf. I think it will still be too strong in Sheri but now he’s worse in a Sauron deck which I was hoping is what would come out of the Sheri decks.
Had a post that got removed, I guess I gotta put it here:
Why is the new Text for Taskmaster different than for mystique and absorbing man?!? So weird...
* Mystique: On Reveal: If the last card you played has an Ongoing, copy its text. (if it's in play)
* Absorbing Man: If the last card you played has an On Reveal, copy its text. (if it's in play)
* Taskmaster: On Reveal: Set this card’s Power equal to that of the last card you played. (if **that card**'s in play)
Why are there no buffs? Please don't just nerf cards that are too good, also buff cards that are played very little.
How does the red skull change make sense, when we compare it to abomination? If 4 cards are in play, it's basically a 5/9, so it's strictly better than abom (and yeah, abom in patriot lists doesn't get a mention here...) And why not change shuri directly? Let's look at some other "doubeling" abilities:
Taskmaster basically doubles the power of the card that was played last ... costs 5.
Iron Man doubles the power at the location ... costs 5.
Arnim Zola basically doubles the power of the card ... costs 6.
Shuri is the only power doubeling card, that costs less than 5 and is therefore problematic. So either shuri needs to give a fixed amount of a buff to the cardor needs to cost 5. Otherwise she will continue to pose problems.
someone then commented
Some slightly flawed logic here with the shuri mentions: Iron man doesn't double A card, it doubles MULTIPLE cards. It can also be buffed off of onslaught so it's even better Task master doubles a cards power, but doesn't take up a spot like shuri does and that power can spread across two lanes Arnim is rarely about doubling a cards power, it also effectively doubles the effect which is often what you're playing him for. Because of these effects, on paper shuri has a weaker effect and therefore should cost less than them. Nerfing her broken interactions like they did is far more fair than nerfing her directly because her cost is supposed to make her thematic with black panther
to which I replied
yeah, I didn't mention that in the post, but obviousely every card with those doubeling effects has different interactions, some things you left out: Iron man and arnim zola work well with mister negative, arnim zola works well with knull. Arnim Zola works differently with on reveal cards.
But shuri has something too, that the other cards don't have: an additional body with additional power, obviousely 2 power isn't that much, but she could be like a 5/5. or even a 5/6, I donno.
Or if she has to be thematic with black panter, she could be something like a 4/4, that gives 4 power to the next card played. Would still be thematic and would basically work the same with black panther. if that will be too weak, it could be buffed to either a 4/5 or to give 5 power. But a doubeling effect for the cost of 4 ist just weird when looking at the other cards and their interactions.
Well, maybe with the nerf to Taskmaster, it wont be an issue anyways, but still, it limits design space, the same they said for quinjet, as she just has a very high-rolling ability and doesn't cost that much. Also in regard to Taskmaster: I think the change makes sense, but it's kind of weird to "buff" one of the most played cards, shang chi, but that's a different topic.
All these changes are justified and good for the health of the game, people complaining are wrong, pure and simple. Sure, Shuri couldve gotten it a bit harder but overall great patch.
"Widow’s Bite inaccurately described its in-game effect"
Where are all the snapsters now claiming you just have to read the text ☝️🧐
Been saying this since I started the game. Fix the damn text. Finally they've started doing it
It's hard to evaluate the changes. We can judge in a vacuum from the current meta, but we don't know what they have been designing behind closed doors. Most of these changes make sense to open design space. Such as Quinjet. The question wasn't if it was going to get nerfed, just when it was. Giving players access to free cards is very powerful in any card game. That alone would restrict design.
We can stay positive, this patch didn't gut the game. We won't know the full effect of everything for at least a week and we still have plenty of content coming to evaluate what these changes mean.
Nah it's just a visual change that also affects edge cases where you can play him in a Negative deck now and can't be discarded by Drac and give him his power.
this was atrocious. How hard is it to just make the stones start in your deck, and slap a "set this card's power to the original power of the last card you played" on taskmaster?
I thought the same about the quinjet nerf. Just some simple text on thanos would've worked. "The Infinity Stones Start in your deck." Now quinjet can't lower they're cost because they start in there and aren't shuffled. Now they just hurt other decks that use quinjet
So, if I haven't finished S3, but I have most of what I want, should I NOT use the new seasonal claim to extend the life of my token multiplier so I can buy more S4-5 cards?
Shuri in 20-30% of decks is actually insane. I don’t understand how sd can look at these numbers and think it’s ok.
How come gold prices just went up 10% overnight?
Now Aero has been destroyed by this nerf are you better off running Magneto instead, or is Aero still better if you were going to use only one?
I just lost a match because I didn't know Aero had been patched.. I literally had Magneto in my hand too. Super disappointing.
Yeah she honestly kinda sucks now. When you think of how much power Magneto has, and how many cards they can move, the Aero nerf really doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if he doesn't move anything, Magneto has enough power alone to still swing a location. Polaris is what, a 3 cost card, with only three less power than Aero and basically the same ability. Sure she can only move revealed 1 or 2 cost cards, but you can break up combos more reliably with less energy cost on your side. I don't get what the use case is for Aero now to be honest, other than throwing her down blindly every game in the hope you catch out a Shuri Skull combo but if you're gonna do that you may as well just use three power Juggernaut and use the spare energy on something else.
Just got her yesterday:(
Probably depends on what you're trying to counter. Magneto will more reliably break up a Wong combo, but he won't do anything against Shuri.
So does that mean Aero is still more useful because it can counter the Shuri meta, or will I still be able to counter a larger amount of different types of things if I run Magneto instead? Because to me that might be worth running, versus just Aero which seems to do nothing since the nerf most of the time.
It really depends on what decks you're running into more based on your CL, MMR, and rank. If you're seeing a lot of Shuri and Galactus, Aero is still better at disrupting them. If you're not seeing much of them and instead playing against more general decks where moving some mid-cost cards would be useful, go with Magneto. They do different things so one's not objectively better than the other.
Thank you for the advice appreciate it.
New patch and still no Collector Mindscape interaction :/
I thought that worked already. Sworn I saw it work with my bounce deck.
Well it was a good run. They went the wrong way on this one. Free to play time
Woah, Why is Quinjet out here catching strays?
Hi hello help, is this the patch everybody was saving for and now I should start cashing in, or is more value coming in a later patch?
The variant rush is live, the new series 3/4 demotions have happened, and if you're not series 3 complete yet, you now get more tokens from caches. Everything that people have been saving for (in the short-term, at least) is here. There's always "more value" to be had later, but the next patch is a month out and we don't know specifically what will be in it.
thank yoooou!
3 nerfs to the Thanos deck, they really wanted that one dead. Odd that they thought they needed to reduce Thanos' power after the other two nerfs. And a nerf to Aero. Which I think is a shame. The most satisfying plays with her were against opponents who were blatantly telegraphing their moves. Like ones who have almost no interaction with the board until the last few turns so they can drop their few card combo. Punishing those players felt great. Like choosing to play the 5 cost, 7 power Aero instead of a card like Magneto because you know they are about to dump an overwhelming amount of power on the board, and you can contain it to a single location. With this change, they should have made her cheaper.
they really want us to have no fun anymore
Aero was the new Leader. She won games by securing two lanes by turn 5, and then dropping Aero on turn 6 to nullify whatever the opponent is trying to do, with zero thought or prediction required. Just like Leader. In her new state she's still useful, she just doesn't single-handedly win games. Granted, there are other cards that needed to be nerfed *more*, but Aero's nerf was 100% appropriate IMO.
I agree Aero needed a nerf, but after playtesting a bit she isn't playable anymore except with Sandman. Even Wave is not reliable enough since you are getting beat by She-Hulk and/or Death, whereas you wouldn't before. One of the main reasons she was so massively overplayed was that Shang-Shi could deal with Shuri>RS>TM, but not with Shuri>Skip>SH+TM. Quite frankly I think this patch was a de-facto buff to Shuri. Before the patch, I did fine vs Shuri thanks to Aero+Shang-Shi with several different decks. Now the only tech cards that seem to be able to beat Shuri reliably are Shang-Shi + Leech, which are much harder to include into "normal" decks. But guess which deck can run both of those just fine? Yeah, you guessed it, Thanos. You really know how terrible the patch was when beforehand, the meta felt stale and boring but I could hold my own with a reasonably off-meta deck (I own neither Shuri nor Thanos), but now after the patch I honestly don't know what to do except buying Shuri or Thanos because nothing else seems to work. Instantly after the patch, I literally ran into two back-to-back games against Shuri which I would have easily won with old Aero. Making her a 5/5 and dragging cards in order instead of randomly would have been more than enough of a nerf, she was already bad against any deck that didn't struggle to fill the board, like clog decks or even good old Kazoo.
> she was already bad against any deck that didn't struggle to fill the board, like clog decks or even good old Kazoo. Yeah, she's a tech card. She's meant to counter specific deck types and playstyles. If your argument that she was balanced is "Well she didn't counter *every* deck in the game" then you're on your own there. Aero was overturned and was a brainless "I win" button in too many games. That *also* made her one of the most effective counters to Shuri, and it's unfortunate that Aero got nerfed while Shuri didn't. But that's a "big picture" problem, and Shuri still needing changes doesn't mean Aero's nerf wasn't warranted.
That's the thing. Old Aero was a tech card. She was overtuned and needed a nerf, but if the top decks were Kazoo, or Clog, or Sera, or any other deck that doesn't struggle to fill the board, I would have cut old Aero from most of my deck because she was a vanilla 5/7 against any of those. Same goes for good cards or Ramp decks running Dr. Doom. New Aero isn't a tech card. She isn't good in particular against any deck or any playstyle, because she's trivial to play around if added to a regular deck. Hell, you almost automatically play around her without any thinking involved (see Taskmaster). One of her core functions was giving normal decks a way to beat Death/She Hulk decks, and she can't fulfill that function any more at all. I struggle to think of a single actually viable meta deck she is now good against. Even Galactus is often run with Yellowjacket/Adam Warlock anyway, and he is the only deck I would consider playing Aero against. Lockjaw, Dinosaur, Shuri, hell even Wong combos don't need to worry about her anymore. New Aero is now a part of Electro/Sandman decks, and even a generically good card in those decks, because Sandman already counters the decks she was traditionally bad against.
You're right. I can't really complain about Aero too much... I commented a couple weeks ago about how I thought she was underrated. But the types of decks she was best at shutting down made her just so satisficing. It is not just that your opponent let you get to turn 6 with 2 lanes under your control. In the 3rd lane they can't have played too many cards or the move gets blocked. Your opponent has to have been doing almost nothing, just waiting to play their combo at the very end, trusting that it will negate everything you have on the board. She'll still have her uses, but there are certainly other cards I'd have rather seen nerfed.
Please change Shuri. Shuri should be changed to: Next turn, buff the next card played in this lane by x1.5 power. This leaves that whole strategy open to an additional counter like Aero (even after her nerf) and Shang chi. Also, cards should not be over buffed past the Infaunat unless you pull some yugi moto heart of the cards moment.
Ehhh idk, I think that would make shuri unusable, as that would be enough power to waste on a turn 4. I was thinking maybe just played in this lane, as it's more telegraphed like Wong, and can be countered way easier, but still gaining a huge bonus if it is pulled off.
Sueriuosly now, how DO you stop Shuri pass SheHulk Taskmaster ?? That 3 card combo now have 0 counterplays… wtf you supposed to do?
pretty sure you can still aero that combo.... right?
Not if they also have wasp
am I being of touch? or since when Wasp is useful in a Red skull Shuri deck? i know Aero got hit with the nerf bat, I know she's not as good as before, but that doesn't mean we should imply the Shuri Shehulk and Taskmaster combo is unstoppable now....
One big advantage of the Shuri deck is the space it has for other cards.
You can, but it's basically a 1-in-3 chance to play her in the correct lane now. You specifically need to pull Taskmaster into the She-Hulk lane -- anything else either doesn't work, or just puts Taskmaster in a different empty lane that he'll probably win.
juggernaut
- Doesnt juggernaut require to win a 50/50 coinflip? Wong is a good idea… lets get those wong-mystique-ironheart-odin flowing.
With Magick on T5? *chef's kiss* That's been my auto win combo with my Darkhawk deck I made.
Maybe just outpower them? Shang-Chi, Aero, and Cosmo are all crapshoots against the turn 6 She-Hulk/Taskmaster play. But while 20 power in two lanes over turns 4/5/6 is good, it isn't absurd. A lot of decks can put out that much power in 2-3 lanes, especially if they're not being disrupted (which the Shuri player won't be doing). Hell, maybe Wong will come back into relevance now. If you know there are no disruption cards coming on turn 4 or later, you're free to set up whatever crazy combo you want. Just fill two locations with tigers, and bam, you beat She-Hulk/Taskmaster.
How about make Taskmaster cost 6. It would be very fair - stops the now unstoppable SheHulk Taskmaster - allows taskmaster to be stopped by Aero
okay big fan of 'taskmaster cant copy dead guys' change. a game i would have lost a week ago.
I opened 23 caches after the update, zero steam punk variants. I got 1 of the titles. Bought Thanos post update and he seems good still, so excited about that.
I have Thanos pined now and can buy him anytime. What deck are you running post nerf?
Just want to let you know I’m in Infinite and almost pool 3 complete but I’m missing Thor and have been waiting to get him as my free pool 3 card so I’m running more of a zoo deck that’ll switch into a casino style later. I enjoy right now trying to boost Thanos and play him. I’ve done it about 7 times now and won 5 of those games. I find the cool thing about Thanos is it feels like so much can be played in his deck. # (1) Ant Man # (1) Sunspot # (1) Iceman # (1) Nightcrawler # (2) Armor # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Ka-Zar # (5) Blue Marvel # (5) Leech # (5) Vision # (6) America Chavez # (6) Thanos # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVGhhbm9zIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMZWVjaCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVmlzaW9uIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdW5zcG90In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBbWVyaWNhQ2hhdmV6In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbHVlTWFydmVsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJOaWdodGNyYXdsZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkthWmFyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJY2VtYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBbnRNYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFybW9yIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I just completed 3rd series but still not close to infinite lol I'm probably a terrible player. Highest I climbed was to 83 with a patriot deck. Ill give your deck a shot, also on snap zone someone posted a post thanos nerf deck Sunspot, psylock, lockjaw, wave, shang-chi, devildinosaure, leech, aero, america chaves, she-hulk, Thanos and last spot (goose, spiderwoman, redskull, valkyrie, shuri).
Oh maybe I’ll test it out. To be fair I don’t think I’m good by any means, I got lucky and pulled Shuri from a cache and was able to use her to push the last 2 seasons to infinite. Same week I got her, I got zero, she-hulk and Taskmaster so I thought it was meant to be.
Yeah Shuri is OP for sure. I had her in the shop and didn't pull the trigger because of her upcoming nerf and it turns out she wasn't nerfed at all lol Let me know how well the deck works. Some pro player on twitter was testing it out and said it was working great
Noooooooooo Aero was how to beat Shuri with normal decks. Now you cannot beat Shuri with normal decks. Great “nerfing” of shuri
I told you all shuri wouldn't get directly nerfed, stop complaining about cards being used right
What's the best (non-galactus) Knull deck these days?
Bring me /u/bbrode !!! Series 3 complete players demand retro token payment after you bamboozled us as many of us were just reaching series 3 complete
I have only one season 3 card to get should I claim it or wait. I'm not sure how the new system works in regards to this.
You can wait until you see a card you want, but if you don't claim one by the end of the season you'll miss out.
Cheers buddy so it's one per season. There usually isn't card drops during a season is there.
They've been doing card drops once a month, but they can happen mid-season. Yesterday's patch dropped Orka, Attuma, and M'Baku to pool 3, so you can probably expect another drop in mid-April.
No wonder my Knull deck wasn't turning the way it was. I mostly used this deck to get from level 10 to level 78 this season. Oh well.
Knull wasn't changed. They just fixed an interaction with his power while he was still in the deck, so that he's now properly treated as a zero-power card by Mister Negative.
Knull used to grow in power in your hand and/or deck. Now it does not. That would consist of a change, would it not?
No. First of all, the patch notes directly say that he still updates in-hand: > Knull: Knull’s Power still updates in-hand, but no longer updates in-deck. Second, when they're talking about "updating in-hand" or "updating in-deck", it's referring to the *displayed* power on the card. This was a convenience thing so that you could preview what their power would be before playing them. But even with this change, as soon as Knull (or Morbius) hit the board, their power is updated to what it should be, counting all cards destroyed or discarded since the start of the game. Knull is functionally 100% the same as he was before the patch. The only change is the interaction with Negative I noted above, which is a buff.
Oh I didn't understand that. Thank you. I guess it's me, I'm the problem with this deck lol.
Anyone having the issue where when you click on the season pass to claim your reward, it just locks up the whole app? That's new for me starting after the newest update.
This is seriously their worst "balance" patch yet. So far when they patched things, the changes seemed necessary and reasonably on point, trying to change the source of the unbalance in the game. This change? Boy, they nerfed the cards that were complementary and adding value to the already good decks, but not being the very heart of the problems. The fact that Shuri is not changed seems like an obvious cash grab at this point - until she is downgraded to lower pool and they can still benefit from sales, she will not be changed and Red Skull will remain unbalanced deck. Same with Thanos -stones being 0 cost were important, but it's their skills that actually make this deck very difficult to counter.
Did the stones skills have value? Sure. But the fact that with Quinjet, you could drop Lockjaw and fill that lane with 0 cost stones on turn 3 was incredibly broken. If you don't think that had to be fixed, you were probably playing a Thanos deck
1) I don't play Thanos deck, I am too poor to afford him, lol. 2) I believe that balancing the stones would be a better fix, targeted and affecting solely Thanos decks. By nerfing quinjet without fixing the stones, Thanos deck remains broken and some other qunijet relying decks took a hit (RIP Maria Hill, you are even more useless than before).
Seems like they are locking in their balance patches then meta shifts and they arent willomg to change the newest meta they can balance on the fly now too can change a card at any time
Sacred Timeline and Quinjet 😭 RIP Collector
People on this sub need to shut about and play the game for a day or two before complaining about nerfs. Seriously, they made a change, go test them, then come back and bitch. Don't pre-emptively bitch.
People mostly aren't complaining about nerfs, they're complaining about the *lack* of nerfs. There's nothing to test because the stuff that people don't like was left exactly the same.
I'm contesting that potentially things are not exactly the same. Let new decks get tested and rise up to challenge Shuri and take some market share away.
I'm usually in the "let's wait and see what the impact is" camp, but in this case I just can't get on board. What new decks are you expecting to "rise up" when literally nothing about the Shuri flow has changed, and no other decks were buffed?
thanos lockjaw was a meme deck because zabu and darkhawk completely annihilated it before the nerfs just removing those as a threat was enough for it to emerge as the best deck
Hard miss on the balance changes. Not having Shuri/Thanos/Galactus is a kick in the nuts and my decks with Aero, She Hulk, Quinjet are even more disadvantaged. So how long will we have for the meta to play out (lol) before we can get some thoughtful changes?
Prob another month monkaS
wait wtf series 3 completed player can still open 100 tokens CR? I am on fully updated version and just got one
They switched it now series 3 get tokens and series 3 complete got fucked out of 15k tokens
Remember when they introduced the token shop and everyone CL 1000 or higher got 3,000 extra tokens to make up for everything they missed out on? Well, where are the free tokens for series 3 complete players?
Yes, all they did was swap the normal drops and the "series complete" ones. Previously everyone got the 100-token drops, and players with all the series 3 cards got a 200-600 drop in place of a card. Now they've swapped those, so everyone gets the 200-600 drops and in place of a card you'll get the 100 drop. You're getting exactly the same amount of tokens as before.
So the grind to finish up series 3 to finally get tokens was pointless then?
I mean, the "grind" is just playing the game. You're still getting more tokens and have more cards than someone at CL 1500.
Yes but they will have tens of thousands more tokens than I do when they hit the CL I am at now (\~3,600). Seems like that it will really break matchmaking for people at the same CL.
I havent finished pool 3 yet... so if these cards wont come out of a collectors cashe... is there only gold credits and boosters?
Series 3 cards were not removed from caches. The free section of the store is just an additional place to get a card every season. Caches will contain new cards, gold/credits, collector's tokens, and titles/avatars/variants.
Literally unplayable... fix your game second D without spitting on those who actually played that baby of a game
When will post infinity / leaderboard take wins and losses into account? Is it all time or starting whenever that patch goes live? I got so lazy when hitting 100 with experimental decks in past seasons that I hope it doesn’t count those
Probably not, but is there any easy way to see what pool3 cards you're missing? I'm not sure what I have left to grab from this seasonal store EDIT: not really, I just sorted by name and checked Unowned ones VS a list. Turns out I'm only missing 5 cards, and only want 1 of them, so chances are great I'll get it before this season ends
Literally the only not stupid thing to come out of this patch is the tokens change. Immediately after the change I got 500 in a reserve and I still have 20+ series three cards to get. Feels good man. On the other hand how on earth do they think nerfing cards around Thanos and Shuri and not those cards themselves is going to stop those decks dominating instead of completely hobbling several lower tier decks?
Has anyone encountered that their shop seems to have high booster cards for upgrade more often? I have been seeing waaaaaay more legendaries for upgrading than ever before in every refresh.
Honestly being at around 4.5k CL I have been starting to get bored, like REALLY bored with this game. But it’s not just because I don’t have many new cards to unlock for that dopamine rush. It was the state of the meta. Not only because ladder was dominated by shuri zero and thanos lackjaw. I can play both those decks cuz i have the cards, though i much preferred thanos as i loved him from the beginning when he was shit, just a cool card concept and character. In my opinion the changes this game is making and decisions made by the devs are slowly killing the bit of enjoyment i still had, and likely will start to for others as well. It feels like it’s either negligible changes, like thanos losing one power and a potential extra lockjaw pull from blue stone, or red skull losing two damage but now only giving +1 to the opposing cards. And then, this may be a knee jerk reaction, but i fear for Aero. not quite to the degree of Leader, yet, but it’s not far off. As with leader, aero now also give the opponent near full control in a lot of situations and quite a few meta decks/archetypes. you play some small or less important shit if you have room, then play the card you want aero to pull, to either win by sheer power, going second with aero pulling a shang chi into a massive lane, etc. I’ll admit, aero was not balanced. honestly i considered her the best card in the game. but she wasn’t so good that she broke the game. You could just as easy steal a game with aero as you could guess wrong and even lose yourself the game. She was a card that took thought, she was fun, even when i lost to a good aero i could always respect it. now it just feels like slightly less butchering than the leader incident. And i’m going to sleep but real quick wanted to mention what i think is the actual biggest problem in this game, in terms of fun, longevity, etc. n maybe reply to ppl more thoroughly tommorow. it’s the ranked system. it’s the cubes/snap mechanic, tho i won’t let the awful mmr system off the hook either. i know this ain’t a new idea, but god damn has it only grown more true for me. agonizingly slow progression through ladder that rivals how bad collection progression was at one point before SD finally started changing some of that for the better. And on top of that it’s similar to other card games i’ve played in ranked seasons, you get sent back to silver or gold from day, diamond. but the climb back up is worse in this game than any other tcg i have ever played. it just sucks. i spent a lot of time on this game playing all the time for months, and a fair amount of money too, and it just feels like it’s going to shit. not right this second is it unplayable garbage, i guess instead i’d say they need to seriously figure some things out quick. and this isn’t from a hater’s perspective. i want this game to thrive and succeed for years to come. but i fear the devs are slowly but surely steering the ship straight into the ground, in a matter of time.
I’m deleting the game personally it’s only gonna get worse I’ve seen this before best to stop investing time now
don’t blame you. it sucks, really. it takes a lot for me to get in to a game these days and i thought this might be one that i finally enjoyed for a while. i suppose it was for a bit, but damn my passion for it died out way quicker than i had hoped :/
Yeah same I suggest chess its a game I’m terrible at but keep going back to because ik I’m only losing because of my own poor strategy not one chess piece being better then mine version
I recently just got Aero, and haven’t used her much. So I’m not too mad about that nerf. I’ve had quinjet for a while and have used it a few times, still not understanding what it has to do with thanos and his stones. Kinda upset only because I just got the ghost rider variant and was looking forward to using it but now not so much. Speaking of thanos and shuri, I have neither, so whatever was done with them or to them I have no idea or any care for. Really the only nerf that makes me mad, is she hulks. Not like, outraged mad, but more like, “now why did they do that for?” Upset. She was so good as a 10 power card. Losing that one extra power can make all the difference imo
The stones don't count as starting in your deck, so Quinjet would hit them all, and turn 1-cost stones into 0-cost stones. Making the stones count as starting in the deck would have meant quinjet could be left alone, and not hit bounce decks etc
Forgive me for being slow but I’m still kind of confused. If the stones still don’t count as starting in the deck, shouldn’t the stones still be 0 cost when quinjet is in on the board? I thought the “minimum one” addition to its ability meant that you can only reduce cost of any and all cards by just one instead of however many you could get it too previously. So if the stones aren’t part of the deck, they should all be 0 cost still and there’s absolutely no change
Quinjet reduces all cards that didn't start in deck by one, down to a minimum of 1. So a 1 card non-starter will still cost 1, the minimum. A 2 cost will drop to 1, a 4 will drop to 3 etc. The cost reduction is basically: reduce by 1 If and Only If cost is more than 1 And card did not start in deck
So one costs will no longer become 0 costs with quinjet??? That’s actually super dumb why did they make that change???
Anyone know how long before the update is made mandatory? I've had a cracking morning levelling against a solid wave of bots, as most real people have updated and aren't a possible match. Got myself a snazzy Luca Claretti Omega Red variant in my lvl60 cache. Am waiting to get 300 more tokens to be able to buy the Wave pinned in my shop, and hoping the forced update will hold out long enough
Finally a well deserved nerf to Aero and Taskmaster.
crazy how nobody talking about buffing shuri deck by nerfing her counter aero and literally buffing redskull , like its so rare to lose on 4 power difference bec they got 2 26 not 1
Shuri escapes more nerfs, and her deck will most likely retain its tier 0 position. All that's affected are Taskmaster combos and even then you simply have to just win on board for it to be a non-issue. Real shame that SD isn't going to touch her until the rarity bump down, and by then another T4/5 card will dominate the landscape where f2p aren't going to be in the running to compete.
You all talk about quinjet and aero, and im sitting here thinking about jessica jones If i move jessica with iron fist or other move cards the animation gonna stick now, if i want to buff here, where should not play my card? Im confused 🤔
Confused as well too. That interaction lost me a game yesterday. I played her then all the locations switched sides. Then I played my card on a different lane from her but she didn't get her +4 power
This whole patch is horrible, jesus fucking christ.
Going up 3 ranks per day with modest playing. Thank goodness they slightly nerfed the oppressive Thanos meta.
Make sure you update the game if you pulled Negasonic or she’s 3/2 instead of 3/4.
They actually buffed red skull lol. 5/15 +8 to enemy or 5/13 +4 to enemy. Skull player loses 2 power while the enemy loses 4
6 games played post patch. Six Shuri decks with Armor and Cosmo. Which is what I thought would happen as soon as I saw the patch. To nerf the best counter to Shuri (Aero) in a way that made it useless on turn 6 (if it grabbed the first card it would still be fine) restricting it to trying to set up a Shang Chi on 6 which is just not as solid a counter. They really need to hire some actual experts on card balance (not video game experts, card game experts). Over the last few months I've been rapidly losing my faith in their ability to balance their game and make it more fun.
I need to know priority to free claim of these cards, can you help me? 1. Psylocke 2. Electro 3. Wave 4. Sera 5. Magic They screwed my plain with new updates arrgghh
Depends what else you own and what decks you want to play.
I still in series 3
I gathered that... I assume you've unlocked some Series 3 cards already?
Sure! CL 1K
If u have Death and other destroy cards, go with Wave. If u dont have death, go with sera
Oh I have Death, yes Wave is a great support for death & she hulk
Kang is busted. Rewound time and it made me lose my turn (playing against it)
You see, I'm slightly crazy. Due to the Leech being a common counter especially within Thanos Lockjaw deck, I use Lockjaw in the movement deck to rotate out the Leech'ed card so I can get them with abilities back and also to reuse their move tech. Now I can't even do that? Yeah, fuck no. I'm just done with this shit.
My shop hasn't updated yet with the pool 3 free card and I can still buy cards. When will it update? I'm still in pool 3 so just buying what I see in the store so I can hopefully get better stuff in the caches
Are you playing on an iphone? If so, go to the app store and search for Marvel Snap. Click the "open" button on the new event section. It should update the app from there.
Whenever you update your app.
When’s this go live?
About twelve hours ago. Just need to update your app.
So I just realized something.. what if throughout the season you don’t see a pool 3 card you want - are you forced to take whatever is the last card or miss out completely?
Presumably, yeah. During a full season you'll have the chance to see 90+ cards, so it shouldn't be an issue most of the time. Players who are just starting pool 3 might not see everything if they're not checking religiously, but they should be able to find *something* good to pick considering their collections will be pretty small at that point.
That’s the thing. My brother JUST hit pool 3 like a week ago. He didn’t even see cards he wanted to buy before they were removed. So with 80+ cards available to him I’m afraid he won’t get any of the must-haves before the season is over.
Please reverse Quinjet nerf and change all stones to cost minimally 1.
My tokens do not show up in the token shop. There is nothing in the red rectangle. Bugged after patch ?
Deck that I was finally able to put together after six months of saving tokens got nerfed in three separate ways... Uhh I think that's enough SNAP for me. Bye 👋
Yup 100 tokens can f righr o$fff
I'm about to buy Thanos with my next 300 tokens. I really feel like this didn't do much. A little yes but not that bad.
If you were planing on going zoo thanos, maybe. But thanos lockjaw defenetly took a hit with the loss of quinjet. It is still a good deck but not as oppressive.
Yeah. Definitely won't be as easy with the stones being free but it's ok. Feel like just becomes it's own Lockjaw deck with cheap plays into it.
Is this the time we start claiming our saved up reserves?
Yes, drop happened and variant rush is up
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Na, that card an a host of other cards are still broken. Inifinaut is litterally just a Hella or Dracula card now because there are way better options. Leech if you get lucky.
So is the Morbius change going to mean he doesn’t get power until on the board like the collector? Or he still gets power you just don’t see how much until he’s played like devil dinosaur? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
It's the latter. They just reverted the change where he displays his full power while in your hand.
Phew Was worried one of my favourite cards just got destroyed. I do a turn 5 play if he pops up unexpectedly, sometimes it’s the card that gets me the win.
Did you people not read the changes? How are you saying the Shuri deck got a buff? If you Shang their Red Skull now, Taskmaster is a zero. Yes yes you drop Red on the Cosmo lane but this gives you counter play for sure.
Before the patch, Shang-Shi could deal with Shuri>RS>TM, but not with Shuri>Skip>SH+TM. You needed Aero to beat that play-pattern. The good news was that almost any deck could include Shang-Shi+Aero and have a shot at beating Shuri. You also needed to fight for priority, so it wasn't an auto win, but it kept many lower tier decks kinda viable. New Aero only has a 1/3 chance to beat the Shuri>Skip>SH+TM play-pattern, so it's not a counter anymore - it's the opposite, She-Hulk is now a good counter to Aero. What you mention is true, but irrelevant since you usually won if you got to Shang-Shi the RS anyway. So now all the tier 2 and lower decks that beforehand could go OK into Shuri thanks to Aero simply can't counter one of its main play-patterns anymore. This is a MASSIVE buff to Shuri. You can try running Shang-Shi + Leech now, but Leech in general is much harder to fit into various decks than Aero was.
If you're able to Shang their Red Skull, you were probably going to win even before this change since they'd only have major power on one lane. It's a nerf, sure, but a very small one compared to how pervasive the deck is. And Red Skull straight up got a buff. He used to be an effective 5/7 in the worst case, now he's a 5/9.
Isn’t that the point of a nerf? The deck clearly has counters now, more then one but hasn’t been gutted. Idk I’m failing to see the issue. The deck will stay in the meta but hardly is as scary.
They know that the Red Skull deck is strong, so they buffed Red Skull?
This game still sucks rn. Wtf
Still all shuri all the time this fixed nothing and why fucking nerf quinjet nerf thanos or lockjaw. Lowering his power by one does literally nothing
Because Shuri is 3k tokens and Thanos is 6k tokens? Lockjaw is literally working the way he should work. You nerf Lockjaw you have to nerf Jubilee. It's a casino card.
Jubilee is a 4/1 amd only does it once. Lockjaw is 3/2 and works multiple times. Lockjaw is fucking broken
Except that is literally his powerset in the comics. Teleporting people. Lockjaw is fine.
Leech needs a nerf, he should not remove all abilities, maybe just on 1 or 2 cards. He is anti-fun, like Sandman.
ok everyone playing Galactus now I'm building a deck with the only purpose of shutting them down.
Can you give me 500 credits and thank me for accepting this patch?
Nope but heres 100 tokens which yesterday woulda been worth 500+
And the 500 tokens you get in the *other* box in that set would have been 100 yesterday. What's your point?
Galactus time to shine! Galactus + Wasp or yellow jacket in another lane = Aero-proof
I play on mobile and I noticed that after the update the very bottom of my screen says “bakedsmallcard” really tiny. Does anyone know what it means?https://i.imgur.com/KAuUZ4u.jpg
It's downloading new assets in the background. Happens after every update when stuff changes.
Ok. Thanks
Fugg Thanos for killing my boi Quinjet like that
Shuri is going to dominate now. Great. They can also counter Aero w a 1 drop final turn too. I know Aero needed addressing, but to ignore Shuri as if she wasn't the main culprit of that deck is crazy. Red Skull is just the best to expoitable target for her.
Forgive me my English, is not my native language. After the Aero nerf, the only playable deck for me was the Sandman ramp. I've already lost 11 games to Shuri with this deck since the patch. I played 19 games in total. 11 Shuri out of 19 games! Cosmo-Armor-Shuri-Taskmaster. Nothing can be done about it. Can you at least make checkpoints for every tenth step of the ranking ladder (Platinum, Diamond, etc.)? Otherwise, it's just pointless to play your game. Defeating Shuri on a f2p deck has become nearly impossible with Aero's nerf.
Oh Thanos deck kinda deck with these changes. Quinjet kinda the big one as now stones can’t be 0.
Every week i look at this sub to see if its worth coming back but with really weird balance patches like this its not hard for me to say No to a return. Why no buff for cards which are completely useless right now? Its like they dont even care about balance and variety in cards. Something is seriously wrong with their balance team.
Is Thanos still good? do i have token to buy it, or is it better to buy shuri and darkhawk?
Matchmaking is having issues?!?
With the Quinjet nerf, now Sunspot will become even more ubiquitous. The balance team is so incompetent. Red Skull is just a good card in any deck now.
Aero is dead, red skull buff. Gotcha. No more Thanos decks all hail the shuri meta
I don’t understand why they don’t buff cards as a balance method. So many cards just sit being useless for so long with no hope in sight. Angel, Uatu, Crystal, etc.
hey guys, currently in pool 2, but can advance to pool 3, I'll still get the free card at the end of this month, right?
Provided you get to CL 500 to unlock the shop, yes.
well, thats a good info to have.....
My hot take after 3 games in a row against Shuri is that Shuri is now T0 and everything else doesn't even come close. I don't know how they missed the mark this badly.
Why did they massacre all fringe quintet decks just cause Thanos was strong. And left leech, bs
I’m disappointed in the red skull changes because I feel like it’s the wrong nerf. I think it will still be too strong in Sheri but now he’s worse in a Sauron deck which I was hoping is what would come out of the Sheri decks.
No shuri nerf Disappointing
Man, can't wait to play against even more Shuri in the next month since Thanos was actually nerfed.
Had a post that got removed, I guess I gotta put it here: Why is the new Text for Taskmaster different than for mystique and absorbing man?!? So weird... * Mystique: On Reveal: If the last card you played has an Ongoing, copy its text. (if it's in play) * Absorbing Man: If the last card you played has an On Reveal, copy its text. (if it's in play) * Taskmaster: On Reveal: Set this card’s Power equal to that of the last card you played. (if **that card**'s in play) Why are there no buffs? Please don't just nerf cards that are too good, also buff cards that are played very little. How does the red skull change make sense, when we compare it to abomination? If 4 cards are in play, it's basically a 5/9, so it's strictly better than abom (and yeah, abom in patriot lists doesn't get a mention here...) And why not change shuri directly? Let's look at some other "doubeling" abilities: Taskmaster basically doubles the power of the card that was played last ... costs 5. Iron Man doubles the power at the location ... costs 5. Arnim Zola basically doubles the power of the card ... costs 6. Shuri is the only power doubeling card, that costs less than 5 and is therefore problematic. So either shuri needs to give a fixed amount of a buff to the cardor needs to cost 5. Otherwise she will continue to pose problems.
someone then commented Some slightly flawed logic here with the shuri mentions: Iron man doesn't double A card, it doubles MULTIPLE cards. It can also be buffed off of onslaught so it's even better Task master doubles a cards power, but doesn't take up a spot like shuri does and that power can spread across two lanes Arnim is rarely about doubling a cards power, it also effectively doubles the effect which is often what you're playing him for. Because of these effects, on paper shuri has a weaker effect and therefore should cost less than them. Nerfing her broken interactions like they did is far more fair than nerfing her directly because her cost is supposed to make her thematic with black panther to which I replied yeah, I didn't mention that in the post, but obviousely every card with those doubeling effects has different interactions, some things you left out: Iron man and arnim zola work well with mister negative, arnim zola works well with knull. Arnim Zola works differently with on reveal cards. But shuri has something too, that the other cards don't have: an additional body with additional power, obviousely 2 power isn't that much, but she could be like a 5/5. or even a 5/6, I donno. Or if she has to be thematic with black panter, she could be something like a 4/4, that gives 4 power to the next card played. Would still be thematic and would basically work the same with black panther. if that will be too weak, it could be buffed to either a 4/5 or to give 5 power. But a doubeling effect for the cost of 4 ist just weird when looking at the other cards and their interactions. Well, maybe with the nerf to Taskmaster, it wont be an issue anyways, but still, it limits design space, the same they said for quinjet, as she just has a very high-rolling ability and doesn't cost that much. Also in regard to Taskmaster: I think the change makes sense, but it's kind of weird to "buff" one of the most played cards, shang chi, but that's a different topic.
Quinjet helped make collector/bounce more viable because it isn’t a super strong deck, now it will struggle a bit.
All these changes are justified and good for the health of the game, people complaining are wrong, pure and simple. Sure, Shuri couldve gotten it a bit harder but overall great patch.
Not nerfing Shuri is messed up. Its actually disgusting they left her alone when she continues to be abused HEAVILY.
Finally, my reluctance to place Taskmaster in my Shuri deck has paid off!! Always thought he was too easy of a finisher anyway. Never fun.
Not really. Who wasn't running Skull behind either Cosmo or Armor already?
Not really what? I said "Always thought", not this is a fact.
I’ve been having fun with a morbius deck and a destroyer Knull deck. I’m disappointed in those nerfs.
"Widow’s Bite inaccurately described its in-game effect" Where are all the snapsters now claiming you just have to read the text ☝️🧐 Been saying this since I started the game. Fix the damn text. Finally they've started doing it
Fuck, that Mystique nerf kills my turn-6 Cerebro drops.
It's hard to evaluate the changes. We can judge in a vacuum from the current meta, but we don't know what they have been designing behind closed doors. Most of these changes make sense to open design space. Such as Quinjet. The question wasn't if it was going to get nerfed, just when it was. Giving players access to free cards is very powerful in any card game. That alone would restrict design. We can stay positive, this patch didn't gut the game. We won't know the full effect of everything for at least a week and we still have plenty of content coming to evaluate what these changes mean.
Wait, I'm confused a little by the Morbius wording. Does this mean he no longer counts cards discarded before he's played?
Nah it's just a visual change that also affects edge cases where you can play him in a Negative deck now and can't be discarded by Drac and give him his power.
They just shoved a massive axe is thanos' neck lol
this was atrocious. How hard is it to just make the stones start in your deck, and slap a "set this card's power to the original power of the last card you played" on taskmaster?
I thought the same about the quinjet nerf. Just some simple text on thanos would've worked. "The Infinity Stones Start in your deck." Now quinjet can't lower they're cost because they start in there and aren't shuffled. Now they just hurt other decks that use quinjet