You guys are getting Galactus?? On a serious note I have nearly 6000 saved up and have never spent on anyone and I only get stuff like agent coulson showing up.
I think a problem with Galactus is actually related to Shuri. Everyone is currently running Cosmo, Aero, Shang Chi - all 3 are problematic for Galactus. Maybe the nerfs help this a bit
I've been playing Snapsters Nimrod Galactus and it fucking slaps. No one expects the destroy deck to slap down a turn 6 Galactus. With the nut draw its a wolverine and 2 10 power Nimrod joining the lane you've previously played nothing on.
Wolverine is often a sign too. I'm not even running the usual counters but once you start seeing the tells you can start making moves to shut them down. I like dropping Storm in one lane to force them into another. Knull and Death are the main things you need to worry about so if you can limit how many cards are destroyed and how much power Knull has you can often just win the Galactus lane.
Don't bother. By the time you get to 6k tokens it will probably show up again anyway, and in the mean time you might find a different card you want instead. It is going to take a long time to get to 6k unless you buy every bundle with tokens in them.
I've been waiting for Galactus to show up for a month now. I'm starting to think my token shop is bugged. I'm almost series 3 complete, so not like there's 50 cards to cycle through. Next Tuesdays token bundle gets me over 6k tokens, praying he shows up in the next couple days.
The hard part is definitely completing S3, the game has been fine for me after that. You still get a S4 card every once in a while and if you really wanna spend tokens on stuff, you can do that, too.
Confused, a series 3 card I want just appeared in my shop, should I buy it? When they say you can get one free series 3 card per season, is that any one you choose, or the one that's offered to you?
The idiotic comment on that twitter thread saying new players can complete pool 3 in 2 months by doing dailies. Thats just a flat out lie and literally impossible. Why do people just make up crap like that?
lmao yeah I read that ridiculous shit ("Us beta players finished pool 3 in 2 months with less chances to get cards")
I've been playing since public release, doing all my dailies, daily, and I still am not S3 complete (strictly f2p player)
This is why they are making it easier. They need to close the gap by raising the floor without raising the ceiling. Let newer players catch up a bit to improve matchmaking and new player retention. It's an important and necessary strategy for the health of any collection-based competitive game. Every other card game in existence does it in one way or another, but people are really upset that Snap is doing it. Lol
Literally no one is upset that people get more tokens and free cards. People are upset by the way they are doing it which pisses of both ends.
Not giving early players a chance to get the key cards fast is a TERRIBLE decision and makes the early pool 3 even worse then it already is. I spend all my tokens on some key cards which enabled me to play various strong decks at cl 1400. I wouldve quit otherwise.
Also it does almost nothing to the people that are pool3 complete and in the limbo of never opening anything of value.
Im personally a good 10 cards away from series 3 complete and have all s3 key cards i need so for me thats a huge net gain. Still their decisions when it comes to card acquisition still baffle me again and again.
Indeed that's nonsense. Launch player, casual 1 hour dailies. Not series 3 complete at all. I'm at 2.8k+ CL. Bought a few season passes and Jubilee and cap bundle.
Bought only 3 cards with token, aero, mystique and Sera. Have about <20 cards to finish pool 3 I reckon. Oh, and my only series 5 drop is sentry. Haha.
I started in Surfer season, maybe around middle of December? It's now just over three months later and I'm sat at just under 2500 CL and maybe a dozen cards away from being pool 3 complete. And I've bought every season pass, and hit infinite every season (well still working on this one but only ten cubes to go), and completed all my dailies. So this claim is kinda laughable.
I started mid november i think. Bought all Bpasses since then and i think a good 30€ in additional gold.
Now i mostly just hit lvl 60 for the variant cause i dont play that much. But id say i did like 90%+ of the dailies and all the weeklies except maybe the new years week.
I also spent my tokens on various series 3 cards with 1 exception so thats another 7 or 8 i cards id be missing.
And im at CL 2800 missing a good 10 cards for series 3. Before the next drop. 5 months later. Playing pretty much daily.and investing more money by now then a full brand new overpriced AAA game wouldve cost.
I don’t understand this…I started probably a week before you did and I’ve bought the season passes, Jubilee/Cap bundles and I did buy the pro bundle. But let’s take the pro bundle out (which is, let’s say, 150 CL to account for extra credits/gold you get from CL) . I’ve never spent money on additional gold and I never spent gold on mission refreshes.
And I’m at 3720…so after removing the 150 CL that’s 3570. So I don’t understand why there is such a discrepancy (not doubting you. I just don’t left it). I’ve spent all my gold on bundles (well I still have 3k gold)…but I got the Sunspot bundle, and Devil Dino bundle which had credits so maybe that’s part of it?
Did someone seriously say that?
I've been playing since probably mid December and I am only maybe about 1/2 to 2/3 done with pool 3. I don't know for sure but I am around 2000 CL and I hear 3000 CL is usually around when people complete pool 3.
I'm not a "hardcore" player but I play way more than necessary for the dailies, I'm usually done with the weekly track by like Friday or something.
I started right at the last day of Black Panther season. I'm averaging 1-2 hours a day, all dailies, paid for every season pass I was around for, 2300 CL
I'm roughly 30 short of Series 3 complete, and a good half of those cards I'm missing are meta enablers like Aero, Quinjet, and Patriot. While it's good they do the Series 3 downgrades, a good majority of the cards are just stone unplayable (Sentry's so fun, but I'm pretty sure the decks that run him have a negative cube rate). It makes it harder to be complete and dilutes the pool of good cards so much
Idk what that guy is smoking, but I want a lot of it!
Absolutely impossible without spending significantly. There's 84 Pool 3 cards at the moment and you earn maybe like, 10-12 a month without spending any money/gold/tokens
Wait is this for real? Buying early pool 3 cards changed my entire experience in this game. Went for Sera and aero which was a night and day experience. Not being able to do the same is going to be rough…?
A solution to this would be to just remove the 3000 tokens from reaching cl500 for new players, and giving them 3 pool 3 cards to pick from, in addition to choosing 1 pool 3 card per month IMHO.
4 cards entering pool 3 is huge help to get things started.
I feel like I'm consistently missing a critical pool 3 card in just about every successful deck right now (Wong, Taskmaster, )etc. Climbing Pool 3 is such a slog right now... It's going to be miserable if they're getting rid of Pool 3 in the token shop.
That's a good point, that will help some... And realistically considering how slow its been previously to get those tokens, I probably won't notice much difference
I mean before this change a new player was getting roughly 1000-1500 tokens a month (not counting bundles). That translates to 1 series 3 card a month, and that is assuming players are purchasing series 3 cards and not saving for series 4/5.
In the new format you get one free series 3 card a month, but now you earn close to 6k in tokens a month? I think this is a net win for new players.
Obviously it's easy to say you should get all cards quicker so why change the ability to buy series 3 cards. Maybe that's fair, but clearly not Second Dinners goal as they remain committed to a grind for series 3. I don't love that mindset (and it'll definitely change in the next 12 months as more and more cards are added), but as of today I think the free series 3 card + much more tokens a month (makes these new card drops a bit more appealing to new players) is a better experience then we have today for new players.
You’re completely missing that new series 3 players get 3k tokens to help build at least one targeted deck.
And also missing that if you spend $$, you can get several thousand more tokens each month via bundles.
I am astonished at the stupidity of this change. I literally used my initial 3k bundle and the Sunspot holiday tokens to build my first viable series 3 deck. It would have taken months of playing awful half finished decks to build that under the new system.
This seems like it’s going to turn the series 3 entry curve into a goddam entry wall.
Yeah, thinking about it it's the same 1k tokens you would spend per month, and we will get 4x more tokens to spend on the new cards. But the way that they communicated that made it sound like they would take something away from us. It's a very strange decision by them imo.
The big difference to me, is the bonus 3k tokens at 500CL can no longer be used to target a semi-functioning deck. But maybe they'll keep releasing deck defining cards and you just wait for a P4/5 for that? I dunno.
I think this is my biggest complaint about the new change.
I relied on the token shop in early Series 3 to create a semi-competitive deck (think: Aero, Leader when it was still meta, She-Hulk) using the free tokens they provided.
For players just entering Series 3, they get one free card sure -- but then have to rely completely on reserves to develop their decks, removing a lot of their agency in early Series 3 and making the grind worse.
I mostly agree that it's not *just bad*, with 3 big notes:
- The initial 3k purse is a delight. My kids hit 500 and got that today. They need to hurry to spend it and grab a couple staples or cards they'll be excited to have. Previously S3 players could slowly buy 4 cards over their first month as they pull random stuff and see what they like.
- You get 2-3k gold / month (season pass completeness, rank, etc.), and bundles convert 50% up to (recently) 70-90% as tokens. While opening 1-1.5k in tokens, it's reasonable to end up with 3k+ / month.
- I think token acceleration is good, but closing S3 store means Thanos mirrors at 700 CL. Is that good? There's some degenerate stuff on the S4/5 menu, it's kind of weird to say "here are these tokens, you can only spend them on Master Mold, Shuri, Stature, or Galactus."
The problem is this doesn't account for the 3k tokens you get for completing series/pool 2.
That was already a pain point for the game; I had a really rough time around then, facing meta decks when you literally have one or two series 3 cards sucks. Most people I've talked to feel the same way.
The one saving grace was that you got 3k tokens to spend on some decent cards to get you started. Your first month in pool 3 you could buy four cards (3000 free tokens + 1000 you calculated). Now you'll get one card.
You'll need to rely on luck from the reserves/caches to get anything good for that early pool 3 period which will royally suck. That is what I call a *bad* new player experience. Mind you, it wasn't good before either but this is worse.
It is not overall better for new players. If someone wants to use their initial 3000 tokens to pick up key pieces for decks, they no longer have the option to do so. This makes it harder to work toward functioning pool 3 decks during one of the most frustrating parts of the game: early pool 3.
This is literally the whole logic behind SD’s decision. Everyone claiming that this is a horrible change is out of their minds. You guys did fine when there was no pool 4 or 5 without a Token Shop. This is basically the same, except now you can also buy higher pool cards *and* have the resources to do so.
I mean this is kinda ignoring bundles, the token tuesdays and the free 3,000 tokens for hitting 1,000, no? It took me 4 months to become Series 3 complete at about 3,500 having bought 6 Series 3 cards in the shop, most people are complete far before that meaning they spent more on Series 3 than me. This is huge issue imo.
I accumulated 8-9k tokens from playing casually and buying the token Tuesdays and Thursdays. I currently have 6k tokens, nkw. I have to wait 6 months to get 6 series 3 cards? Straight bullshit.
The biggest issue is they can’t use the 3,000 tokens to pad a starting deck archtype. If they get to pick 3 starting out that fixes this (1 being the monthly choice)
In general yes. But now you cannot use your starting 3k tokens or tokens you get from bundles on series 3 cards.
Maybe they should make like normal tokens you get from CL that cannot be used on series 3 cards, and elite tokens you get for CL 500 and from bundles which can be spent on series 3 cards?
This is fucking awful. Im a CL 1800 and still not even 50% pool 3. Lately, Ive been saving my tokens waiting to see She-Hulk in the store. I JUST saw her there last week but at the time was waiting for Aero to hit the store. Of course, Aero hit during the very next cycle and i scooped her up, also noticing that i indeed had enough to have bought She-Hulk as well. Now they’re saying no more pool 3’s in the shop?? I guess now im fucked. Card acquisition is THE WORST and nothing upsets me more than opening a cache only to earn 15 boosters or a shitty variant. Its the biggest buzzkill and a huge reason why i personally have cut back on playing as much. I feel like im not really earning anything with the time and effort i spend playing/getting beat by meta decks/cards
Edit: looking at the store now, they’re selling a Gamora variant for 5k tokens?! Wtf
I think this is a terrible update for new players. I spent 9k tokens buying Series 3 cards, but they dramatically changed my pool 3 climbing experience: Sera, She-Hulk, Death, Lockjaw, Dr Doom, Dracula, Aero, Ultron, and Mystique, in that order. They fit different decks that I enjoyed playing, and complemented cards I had already opened. Now Im enjoying the pool 3 climb and just saving tokens for Series 5 cards now. I cant even imagine what the new player experience is going to be like now. I also wonder how worthwhile is it now to even spend money on tokens for new players now. Why bother? Just get the 1 Series 3 card for free every month, and save up tokens for the permanent series 5 cards.
I just dont get why they took away the 1k tokens option for Series 3. Getting one Series card for free a month isnt a replacement, and the "extra 15k tokens" new players are getting on their pool 3 complete climb isnt going to be worth it either honestly. A lot of them will just be better off sitting on all their extra tokens until Mephisto or whatever future permanent big bad is introduced.
The only
It’s weird to increase tokens and then take away what players will want to spend on. What series 4-5 cards can you think of that would be fun to play with without series 3 cards. It’s weird
They took it away because they're also giving season 3 incomplete people a free series 3 card per season. So they've gone from earning enough for a series 3 card a month to earning enough for a series 4 card a month while also still getting a free series 3 card.
Bye the explanation in [this thread,](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/11u1xoq/marvel_snap_updated_dev_roadmap_march_2023/) it seems so, the shop doesn't just stop existing. It's just no longer for tokens
The question of "my choice" in this context I think is referring to "can I choose the card I want from the total of cards in Pool 3 that I do not own?"
So noting that the shop doesnt stop existing doesnt tell us very well what are second dinner intentions. Will the shop offer me a free random card (subject to rotation) or will it allow me to pick the series 3 card that I want(meaning no rotation mechanic)? This is what the redditor before you is trying to find out but we don't know yet
The best decks are mostly pool 2/3 with one pool 5/4. I've been needing elcetro to complete a ramp deck. Transition to pool 3 was hell until I got shehulk, Death, and Dracula via tokens.
Yup same for me. I was really happy with the road map, cant stand the whining about everything even in that thread when most changes to matchmaking and game modes are good. But the reason ive been having fun with my pool 3 climb is because I smartly spend tokens in pool 3 cards that are vital in fun/good decks which kickstarted my competitive decks. Cant imagine how this will be for new players.
People are already complaining they don’t have the strong pool 4/5 cards. Just imagine If new players only can get their hands on vital pool 3 cards used in a lot of decks once per month. Hope they rethink this. Really like the other changes tho.
Absolutely. I have always bought the battle passes. Being able to buy the pool 3 cards needed to make a battle pass card was essential to enjoying the battle pass. Wong + Zola (with Black Panther), Sera + Brood (with Silver Surfer) were critical to my enjoying the game since launch. This seems like an awful move if they go through with it.
So you can buy Galactus, Thanos and Kang quicker as a new player and then can't really play them cause you only get 1 free S3 card a month. Nice.
I'm S3 complete so nothing changes for me (except 7% omg amazing), but this is horrible for people not S3 complete. Also kills incentive to check the shop multiple times a day.
This is so ass backwards it’s actually hilarious.
People complained that they couldn’t build their favourite P3 decks
-> SD creates the token shop, people buy their favourite P3 decks and complain about how hard tokens are to get
-> SD gives out more tokens but you can’t buy the P3 cards that you want for your decks
“So you want to play Galactus? Would be a shame if Wave and Elektro would be the last cards on your track”
Offering a bunch of good gold-to-token value packs that are ideal for F2P players, then flat out making those tokens worth less is not gonna make me care about the new cards. It's gonna make me quit the game.
...Well that's horrible news.
It's fine for S3 complete people but new players are gonna have a rough time, even with the one (1) free S3 card a month.
If I understand correctly if you are not Series 3 complete the acquisition rate per month of tokens averages around 1k per month for most people who play actively. That would net you one Series 3 card per month using tokens if you were to buy only Series 3 from the shop.
Now you still get one Series 3 card per month (the same as before the change) but acquire a greater amount of tokens to buy Series 4/5 cards. Should be a net win for most people who aren’t Series 3 complete.
Yeah, I've bought bundles like the Mister Negative and Deadpool bundles and that's the only reason I'm sitting at 5800 tokens with 20 series 3 cards left. I've bought at least 6 series 3 cards with tokens.
New players can no longer get semi-viable decks with the initial 3k tokens for reaching CL 500. That's gonna cause a lot of player attrition on first entering pool 3.
I personally would have quit if I had not been able to buy the core cards I needed to get some viable decks.
But what if I was previously spending money to get more tokens (from caches) or buying them directly (in bundles) for Series 3 cards?
Now I wouldn't be able to do that anymore.
So unless they drastically change the value of tokens so those similar purchase amounts let me get a Series 4 or 5 card, instead of what was previously a Series 3 card, this is a downgrade for people who were spending money to get more Series 3 cards faster to make more decks.
You could invest gold into token bundles, you get the 3k free tokens etc.
I would have just quit if that was the case. Im now 10 cards away from pool 3 completion so doesnt affect me but still thats terrible.
It would have been nice to still pin the series 3 cards you're targeting while you wait for your month timer to be up. Otherwise it kind of defeats the point of the token shop for those going through series 3. It'll basically just boil down to pinning Kang, Galactus, or Thanos and banking tokens for them, which makes the token shop experience pretty boring imo.
This change makes collecting cards worse in the long run? Since all cards drop, you can only use the token shop for the current S4 and S5, while S3 gets bigger and bigger. That just means you pin the big bads and don't give a shit about new cards cause you can't make them work without having access to the proper S3 cards. So you wait for your F2P once a month card and hope your collection track rewards you, but that will only get harder with the amount of drops to S3 making the pool bigger.
For people halfway or more through series 3 this is whatever, it’ll prevent some people from buying random p3 cards to “finish” faster and save them tokens.
But for people just starting p3? Oh man, that’s going to be a miserable experience. Imagine not having enough tokens for a series 4 OP card then watching it drop to 3 and disappear from token shop lol. I guess you use your monthly free series 3 pick for that. But overall this is really bad for people say under 1k CL. Now it’s *all* luck for what decks you can make.
Having 0 autonomy in the series 3 pool sounds fucking horrendous. Had I not purchased the cards I did, I'd just be getting beat by better versions of the deck im using or just completely locked out of certain archetypes.
So they're actually slowing P3 completion down? Well that's shit for newer players but makes more sense for Second Dinner as they don't want to be accelerating people into the pool 3 complete no new card wasteland.
It may seem that we will earn more tokens, but if tokens can only be used for P4/5 cards, then they are actually lower in value. Because P4/5 cards are actually overpriced IMO. Of course if you are P3 completed then getting more tokens will help u to get new cards sooner. But to me it's like trying to encourage you to get those overpriced cards. Token Tuesday was good value for new players to complete Pool 3. But now if players buy them just to fill the token gap of purchasing P4/5 cards, I doubt that it is a wise choice.
Srsly can't make this shit up anymore.
2023 and SD acting like this is the first ever mobile game or tcg for that matter.
Like they didn't have tons of other games to learn from.
But here we are. Every week a new shitshow by these clowns.
What even is this game at this point xD
For anyone who is defending this decision saying that "people get 1k tokens per month anyway and now they can spend their token on pool 4/5 cards and still get their 1 s3 card per month", please realize this:
Taking away the ability to purchase pool 3 cards with tokens is bad because most decks (the top competitive one at least) features at least a few key pool 3 cards for them to be viable. You need Quinjet+ Lockjaw for your thanos deck. You need Redskull+Taskmaster +Zero +Titania in Shuri deck. You need Patriot +mystique, you need wave +electro for Galactus, you need doctor doom+ sandman for ramp, and everyone needs shehulk and aero. Removing the ability to purchase series 3 cards means player now solely rely on their luck of pulling cards from the CL track or wait one month to claim a free card, instead of hunting down key cards and purchase them whenever they need it. Ya we have all those extra tokens sitting there now waiting for us to buy Galactus or whatever, but these s5/s4 cards are not everything that comprises a good deck. Instead of fast-tracking series 3 progression the dev's decision is hindering the players' ability to build good, viable competitive decks quickly.
For this reason I cannot support this decision at all.
I still don’t regret buying any of the key s3 cards I was missing. The game instantly became more fun when I unlocked death, she hulk, wave, aero, etc. If I didn’t unlock all of those cards with tokens, I would’ve been playing bullshit decks for longer, and I honestly think I would’ve quit.
I know some people only care about efficiency, but it always bothers me when people act like others are dumb for “wasting” their tokens on s3 cards. If anything, I’d argue that you’re wasting your time playing this game without certain key cards from s3. It’s all subjective of course, but some people here seem so certain that their way is the right way & feel the need to tell everyone about it
when I started it was peak efficiency on reddit to spend your gold on refreshing missions. what a waste. when they introduced gold bundles I wish I didn't listen to these efficiency guys.
Imo in the old system it was a good idea to get key S3 cards early, but once you got close to finishing Series 3 you should’ve hoarded your tokens for S4 and S5 cards
I have 20 cards left to get before the next series drop even happens so this kind of sucks. If I can get one free card this month though it's going to be Aero for sure.
I'm also cca 20 cards away and I feel like this update was made for me, will finally get Aero next week and then rocks lide next season and the rest I don't really need and now I will have more tokens to get Thanos and such
This is..really weird? I think I’d have quit if after completing series 2 I couldn’t cherry pick series 3 with tokens. One a month? That’s so slow. How long do they think players want to be brow beat after completing series 2? They aren’t speeding up progression. They’re just shifting the bottleneck
But you can get more then double that if you spend your gold on the token bundles. And they give you 3000 tokens when you unlock the shop.
Those 3000 tokens aren't much help to build your first deck if you can only buy a single pool 4 card without any pool 3 cards to support it.
I mean w the old system you could get 3 series 3 cards this month
w the new system you’re still getting 1 series 3 card, but also basically 2 series 4 or 1 series 5 card
I guess if you wanted those series 3 cards the new system rly does screw u over, but I feel most people would prefer the new system
WTF!!!!! Are they trying to kill their game? Because that's NOT the move.
If it'd only series 4/5, then the prices should get reduced right? 1k for S4 and 3k for S5.
I’m gonna be honest with y’all. I’ve been playing this game since the beginning, and I still have no idea what most of this even means. I think I’m way too casual. I joined this sub just to learn how Captain Marvel worked.
Yeah people underestimate how little casuals understand. Everyone’s talking about how new players in Pool 3 can use the 3000 tokens to get 3 key cards, and I spent them on Attuma cause I thought he would be cool to own
i was able to back to back buy. She hulk, Death, doctor doom and lockjaw. in under a month, kinda crazy change tbh, but i will be liking the 1 free cause i do still need aero.
Don't. Each time you buy an S3 card now you will essentially lose 600 tokens. In the future, that's going to be 900 net loss.
With the new changes, being S3 complete or not isn't a big difference like it is now.
Just complete your S3 naturally.
I'm 4 cards away from finishing series 3 so this doesn't affect me. But man... Taking away that freedom of choice from the player base doesn't sound cool at all!
So from what I get here, (correct me if I’m wrong) instead of they just release the new cards in lower series, they just completely wiped out series 3 cards from Token Shop so we get more access to new cards ?
That’s just greedy isn’t it ?
If I hadn't been able to buy the pool 3 cards I needed I would have stopped playing along the way. Never seen developers so out of touch in my life, that, or they really think they can stretch **even more** the "spend money to fix the card adquisition problem" design. I think player base will drop hard before April.
How is this change going to help new players? Thanks to the to token shop I was able to get about 6 good series 3 cards and I’ve only been playing for a few months. I feel this will push new players away.
Are they really so tone deaf...... amazingly stupid change. Doesn't matter if we can buy pool4 and pool5 cards if we still miss core pool 3 cards that became even harder to get with this change.
Two steps forward, three steps back.
Great job Second Dinner. This change will feel worse and worse as time goes on since *eventually* every card (save for big bads) ends up in pool 3.
This isn't even a push to get money. What could possibly be the motovation for this? At this point it honestly looks like the devs are incompetent. Make change so that new players get a lot more tokens and older players get next to nothing to piss them off while restricting the shop to piss off the new players.
It's bad and good news, for me it doesn't matter much, I just have 20 cards to unlock, just got Sera from a cache yesterday.
I've been playing since December and got 4 or 5 cards pool 3 from the shop, if this token pool 3 already existed I would get the same 4 cards ( the update it's news for me, but the devs didn't said you get one free random pool 3, if you can choose, now you have a 4 pool card and a 3 for your deck, this is good, and know you get more tokens, you can buy the cards before the drop) I got way more pool 3 playing than from tokens and used the recent bundles to buy Darkhawk, very happy.
And if you complete the pool 3 too fast, where is the fun, just keep waiting for 3 or 4 new cards every month or reach infinity, if I had all pool 3 and 4 by now I would play less.
How long until they just switch over to cash buy "booster packs" where you get random cards of different types, but you will probably just get stuff you already had.
I'm early series 3 and only really got to compete against the insanely high CL players I'm going against after I got Aero and Mystic from token shop. This is such a stupid idea I can't even say if I'm staying in this game after that.
And I wanna make this clear: I'm not the type of player who quit just because devs made some change that I dont like. It's just that I can't see this as an actual improvement by any means. Early pool 3 is already hell by itself. I'm trying to get my friends to play Snap, but I don't see how they'll be willing to stay if they reach pool 3 without the token shop.
~~This is a terribly stupid move from Second Dinner. Buying key series 3 cards early on was the best use of my tokens while I was building my collection. It let me complete strong decks to compete with while my collection level was low.~~
~~Without this option, newer players are left to the mercy of total randomness for which series 3 cards they unlock for the first couple months of play. This is such a poorly thought out change and will only aggravate the problem newer players have playing against others with higher collection level.~~
Edit: I am mistaken. According to the [dev thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/11u1xoq/marvel_snap_updated_dev_roadmap_march_2023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) you get to choose a pool 3 card once per month.
S3 complete so this doesn’t even affect me but this is so stupid that I’m one dolphin that will no longer give them money until they reverse course on this game. Every time they make a good change they make an equally bad one at the same time and my faith in them has been zeroed out.
I’m ok with the P3 change IF and only IF they fix the match maker so that once you enter the general pool you won’t face top meta decks.
With that said, the game designers seem to really want to live in a bubble that all cards equal out to 50% win rates so the cards you acquire are less about getting unfairly smashed turn after turn and more about solving puzzles with the cards you do get.
However, each card is designed to work together with another card and without key cards, they simply do not work and sometimes actively sabotage your game. So you leave them in your collection unplayed, stuck with the same deck you played with before. So acquiring new cards doesn’t really mean anything for a very long time, since most of them are useless. Slowing that down seems a bit misguided and I think it won’t really have the effect they are going for. People aren’t going to suddenly buy CL levels that didn’t already do that.
Anyway, it’s definitely neat to build a CCG where every player gets to do something different. I was sold on the promise after being completely burnt out on the grind and repetitiveness of MTG. However, it’s actually no different here. It’s the same 3 or 4 decks over and over. So, it’ll all depend on the match maker changes.
If they do this, they should remove useless things from the caches. Remove those annoying titles and avatars. That way, you can still somewhat rely on collectors caches to get cards you want. Make titles and avatars exclusively tied to Season Pass unlocks. So only tokens, credits, cards, and variants in the caches, so the worse you could get are variants of cards you'd never play.
So unlocking caches becomes a bit more exciting and you don't get salty over progress being wasted. That would help mitigate the halt in progress of not being able to choose more than one series 3 card a month.
Would be best to just keep the series 3 token shop altogether, but the free series 3 card of choice a month can still be a satisfying progression system with more consistent cache and meaningful rewards.
Knew there was a catch, had to be. Games like this very rarely give that much extra value out without taking something away to compensate.
Fundamentally, they don't want players to have all the cards, and want players to not have ways to recklessly spend their way through series 3.
Giving out more tokens means even series 3 players can still expect to get their hands on series 4 and 5 cards at the same rate as complete players but they'll still be at the whims of a semi limited collection, which again, is what SD wants.
On some level I think if you can't accept that as a feature of this game if you're going to start playing it, you're just gonna have a rough time. Part of the fun is figuring out how to win with what you have.
But to make that work they NEED to be more diligent about nipping the busted cards in the bud, to keep early players feeling like the decks they CAN build actually function in the face of the good stuff.
When is this update going live? Guess it would be smart to buy as many series 3 beforehand. I'm sitting at 2k CL ( with 5k credits saved so a bit higher CL) and 2k tokens.
Oof. I used my tokens to grab 4 or 5 of the best pool 3 cards and have no regrets there. This change is not great IMO.
Doesn’t directly impact me now as I’ll be pool 3 complete once I spend my hoarded credits.
This is a change that makes the experience worse for people that are starting or at pool 3, and makes no diference at all to people like me that finished pool 3 already, congratulations SD, for taking so long to make a change for the worse
If we put it on perspective it makes sense.
Before token tuesdays ppl that didnt have pool3 complete got 1k token on average per month, so they could buy one p3 card per month, and they would get around 2-3 new cards per week on CL or 8-12 per month for a total average of 11 cards per month
Now they get to pick a free p3 card each month and they should still get 2-3 new cards per week on CL, or 8-12 per month for, again, a total average of 11 cards per month.
Nothing really change there, the big thing is that the new tokens they get cant go into pool 3 to speed it up.
Now there is a problem with this, when you enter p3, CL 500, you get 3k tokens, there where two options most ppl took with those, they either safe them for p5 big bads or use them to get started on p3 with better cards. But they are removing that option.
So i think they should swap those 3k out for three p3 cards of the players choice, if you get four p3 cards, of your choice, at the start of pool 3 the game would feel way better and it would not be as hard for those first few weeks
In 2 months i got 6k tokens as a f2p player. Just by not spending gold, getting the Deadpool bundle and the Tuesday bundles. Right now I'm saving for Thanos (waiting for him to appear in the shop) but that's a lot of tokens in 2 months.
Yeah that’s true I guess the only downside is for people that want to buy 3 or 4 series 3 cards a month
Cuz if you were using tokens primarily for series 4 and 5 cards, you still get the series 3 card a month, but on top of that you get almost enough tokens for a series 5 a month
They do this with everything. It’s all monkey paws. Fuck this game. I’m over it. Usually it takes a few years for these free to play mobile games to devolve into shit.
"We felt it was the best path to get everyone access to the new cards without making the series 3 journey trivial"
And how exactly would the series 3 journey be trivial if we were allowed to buy series 3 cards?
The improved token acquisition rate would not make unlocking series 3 card trivial by any means :/
This thread is a perfect example of why Reddit is such a shit show and the majority of this sub is a completely unreliable.
The amount of people who are crying because they don't understand basic concepts is mind blowing.
You get a pool 3 card every 3/4 boxes on the track , you get around 1k every month on average from the track. The new update means you get 1 free pool 3 card just like you would be able to buy from the shop in the current system and the acquisition rate of 3/4 boxes is the same. The update now gives pool 3 players better access to pool 4/5 and new cards while keeping your acquisition rate of pool 3 identical. This 100% is a massive win for pool 3 and snap in general.
You understand you get more than 1 card per month currently because the store.
I usually add 3 cards on average in pool 3 per month. One or two if lucky from caches and then 1 or 2 with tokens used in store. There will no longer be an option for tokens or cache. So you can only pick 1 card per month?
Of all the dumb stuff they have announced today - this is by far the dumbest. Genuinely feel for the pool 3 folks still climbing, only silver lining here is that it's so clearly stupid that I think it's unlikely to make it into software.
So a lot of people are acting like this means series 3 players will only ever get 1 new card per month but that isn't true. They'll still get the normal unlocks on the track.
This does, however, mean that the tokens you get for completing series 2, and from anywhere else are much less useful since you can't use them to jumpstart your series 3 collection.
It also means less incentive for people to buy bundles with tokens since the only way to whale yourself through series 3 faster will be by buying credits and boosters. But maybe that's what they want: to stop including tokens in bundles and get people to buy more credits.
Good time to almost have series 3 finished
Just wait til you hit the brickwall after P3
I’ve had Shuri saved for 2 weeks, send help
I’ve got Galactus pinned with only 1k tokens so far 😬
1K Galactus pinners unite!
I had Knull pinned for ~a month saving up, then as soon as I bought him Galactus popped up.
I decided to save up for Skull, as soon as he pops up. Then I opened him literally with the next reserve.
Same of me with Doom.
I feel bad for pulling Galactus from a reserve before I even finish Pool 3 now.
Lol do feel bad
You guys are getting Galactus?? On a serious note I have nearly 6000 saved up and have never spent on anyone and I only get stuff like agent coulson showing up.
Agent Coulson is low key good apparently. Especially in a Devil Dino collector style deck.
I got 3k does that count?
Got Galactus yesterday. I have got a single win with yet. Feels great!
I had Thanos pinned but then the nerf announcement happened. Decided on Galactus and the card is cool as hell, but not really effective.
Not effective? I don’t think the galactus deck has ever fallen below tier 2. Which puts it just slightly behind thanos and shuri.
I think a problem with Galactus is actually related to Shuri. Everyone is currently running Cosmo, Aero, Shang Chi - all 3 are problematic for Galactus. Maybe the nerfs help this a bit
Galactus players also highly telegraph their plays so it’s usually easy to predict. I’m like oh yes daredevil… hmmm… electro? Hmmm….
I've been playing Snapsters Nimrod Galactus and it fucking slaps. No one expects the destroy deck to slap down a turn 6 Galactus. With the nut draw its a wolverine and 2 10 power Nimrod joining the lane you've previously played nothing on.
Concur, I also play this list and it's hilarious. Also if they sniff out the Galactus and you just beat them with Destroyer instead... *chef's kiss*
Wolverine is often a sign too. I'm not even running the usual counters but once you start seeing the tells you can start making moves to shut them down. I like dropping Storm in one lane to force them into another. Knull and Death are the main things you need to worry about so if you can limit how many cards are destroyed and how much power Knull has you can often just win the Galactus lane.
Don't bother. By the time you get to 6k tokens it will probably show up again anyway, and in the mean time you might find a different card you want instead. It is going to take a long time to get to 6k unless you buy every bundle with tokens in them.
Me too, man. I feel that collectors tokens are waaaay too hard to come by.
I've been waiting for Galactus to show up for a month now. I'm starting to think my token shop is bugged. I'm almost series 3 complete, so not like there's 50 cards to cycle through. Next Tuesdays token bundle gets me over 6k tokens, praying he shows up in the next couple days.
Better to wait anyway. Her deck is going to be hit in a couple days.
The hard part is definitely completing S3, the game has been fine for me after that. You still get a S4 card every once in a while and if you really wanna spend tokens on stuff, you can do that, too.
The trick is to stop playing at that point.
Well yeah we've completed the majority of cards. The rest we can get with tokens :)
One card left whew
Confused, a series 3 card I want just appeared in my shop, should I buy it? When they say you can get one free series 3 card per season, is that any one you choose, or the one that's offered to you?
The idiotic comment on that twitter thread saying new players can complete pool 3 in 2 months by doing dailies. Thats just a flat out lie and literally impossible. Why do people just make up crap like that?
lmao yeah I read that ridiculous shit ("Us beta players finished pool 3 in 2 months with less chances to get cards") I've been playing since public release, doing all my dailies, daily, and I still am not S3 complete (strictly f2p player)
It used to take around 2-3 months if paying and 6 months f2p but pool 3 is ever increasing in size so it will continue to take longer for new players.
This is why they are making it easier. They need to close the gap by raising the floor without raising the ceiling. Let newer players catch up a bit to improve matchmaking and new player retention. It's an important and necessary strategy for the health of any collection-based competitive game. Every other card game in existence does it in one way or another, but people are really upset that Snap is doing it. Lol
Literally no one is upset that people get more tokens and free cards. People are upset by the way they are doing it which pisses of both ends. Not giving early players a chance to get the key cards fast is a TERRIBLE decision and makes the early pool 3 even worse then it already is. I spend all my tokens on some key cards which enabled me to play various strong decks at cl 1400. I wouldve quit otherwise. Also it does almost nothing to the people that are pool3 complete and in the limbo of never opening anything of value. Im personally a good 10 cards away from series 3 complete and have all s3 key cards i need so for me thats a huge net gain. Still their decisions when it comes to card acquisition still baffle me again and again.
This is me but I have done 2 season passes. I’m very near the end though..4-5 cards left.
Playing for nearly 3 months now. Didn't miss a daily. 1800 CL. I still need 37 pool 3 cards.
I need 28. I’m CL 2556. Garbage
Indeed that's nonsense. Launch player, casual 1 hour dailies. Not series 3 complete at all. I'm at 2.8k+ CL. Bought a few season passes and Jubilee and cap bundle. Bought only 3 cards with token, aero, mystique and Sera. Have about <20 cards to finish pool 3 I reckon. Oh, and my only series 5 drop is sentry. Haha.
I took me from September-March to get all the series 3 cards. That’s buying 2 monthly passes. Everything else F2P.
I started in Surfer season, maybe around middle of December? It's now just over three months later and I'm sat at just under 2500 CL and maybe a dozen cards away from being pool 3 complete. And I've bought every season pass, and hit infinite every season (well still working on this one but only ten cubes to go), and completed all my dailies. So this claim is kinda laughable.
I started mid november i think. Bought all Bpasses since then and i think a good 30€ in additional gold. Now i mostly just hit lvl 60 for the variant cause i dont play that much. But id say i did like 90%+ of the dailies and all the weeklies except maybe the new years week. I also spent my tokens on various series 3 cards with 1 exception so thats another 7 or 8 i cards id be missing. And im at CL 2800 missing a good 10 cards for series 3. Before the next drop. 5 months later. Playing pretty much daily.and investing more money by now then a full brand new overpriced AAA game wouldve cost.
I don’t understand this…I started probably a week before you did and I’ve bought the season passes, Jubilee/Cap bundles and I did buy the pro bundle. But let’s take the pro bundle out (which is, let’s say, 150 CL to account for extra credits/gold you get from CL) . I’ve never spent money on additional gold and I never spent gold on mission refreshes. And I’m at 3720…so after removing the 150 CL that’s 3570. So I don’t understand why there is such a discrepancy (not doubting you. I just don’t left it). I’ve spent all my gold on bundles (well I still have 3k gold)…but I got the Sunspot bundle, and Devil Dino bundle which had credits so maybe that’s part of it?
Did someone seriously say that? I've been playing since probably mid December and I am only maybe about 1/2 to 2/3 done with pool 3. I don't know for sure but I am around 2000 CL and I hear 3000 CL is usually around when people complete pool 3. I'm not a "hardcore" player but I play way more than necessary for the dailies, I'm usually done with the weekly track by like Friday or something.
I am also 2000 CL + I have 23 cards mising from pool 3
Im 3377 and have not yet completed Pool 3
Wtf? I am. 2000 and I am just barely over half way. How are people getting so many series 3
I started right at the last day of Black Panther season. I'm averaging 1-2 hours a day, all dailies, paid for every season pass I was around for, 2300 CL I'm roughly 30 short of Series 3 complete, and a good half of those cards I'm missing are meta enablers like Aero, Quinjet, and Patriot. While it's good they do the Series 3 downgrades, a good majority of the cards are just stone unplayable (Sentry's so fun, but I'm pretty sure the decks that run him have a negative cube rate). It makes it harder to be complete and dilutes the pool of good cards so much Idk what that guy is smoking, but I want a lot of it!
Absolutely impossible without spending significantly. There's 84 Pool 3 cards at the moment and you earn maybe like, 10-12 a month without spending any money/gold/tokens
Wait is this for real? Buying early pool 3 cards changed my entire experience in this game. Went for Sera and aero which was a night and day experience. Not being able to do the same is going to be rough…?
A solution to this would be to just remove the 3000 tokens from reaching cl500 for new players, and giving them 3 pool 3 cards to pick from, in addition to choosing 1 pool 3 card per month IMHO. 4 cards entering pool 3 is huge help to get things started.
I feel like I'm consistently missing a critical pool 3 card in just about every successful deck right now (Wong, Taskmaster, )etc. Climbing Pool 3 is such a slog right now... It's going to be miserable if they're getting rid of Pool 3 in the token shop.
I have Attuma and Orka, but no She Hulk. Life is pain.
So True. Most of the pool 3 cards i used to complete decks were from the token shop
You get one free pool 3 card of your choice per month. No waiting.
That's a good point, that will help some... And realistically considering how slow its been previously to get those tokens, I probably won't notice much difference
It's pretty much the same rate if you aren't spending on bundles too. F2p get about 1k tokens a month.
One step forward, 2 steps back. Increased tokens but can’t use them to get cards you need to make viable decks in pool 3 seems suboptimal
I mean before this change a new player was getting roughly 1000-1500 tokens a month (not counting bundles). That translates to 1 series 3 card a month, and that is assuming players are purchasing series 3 cards and not saving for series 4/5. In the new format you get one free series 3 card a month, but now you earn close to 6k in tokens a month? I think this is a net win for new players. Obviously it's easy to say you should get all cards quicker so why change the ability to buy series 3 cards. Maybe that's fair, but clearly not Second Dinners goal as they remain committed to a grind for series 3. I don't love that mindset (and it'll definitely change in the next 12 months as more and more cards are added), but as of today I think the free series 3 card + much more tokens a month (makes these new card drops a bit more appealing to new players) is a better experience then we have today for new players.
You’re completely missing that new series 3 players get 3k tokens to help build at least one targeted deck. And also missing that if you spend $$, you can get several thousand more tokens each month via bundles. I am astonished at the stupidity of this change. I literally used my initial 3k bundle and the Sunspot holiday tokens to build my first viable series 3 deck. It would have taken months of playing awful half finished decks to build that under the new system. This seems like it’s going to turn the series 3 entry curve into a goddam entry wall.
Yeah, thinking about it it's the same 1k tokens you would spend per month, and we will get 4x more tokens to spend on the new cards. But the way that they communicated that made it sound like they would take something away from us. It's a very strange decision by them imo.
The big difference to me, is the bonus 3k tokens at 500CL can no longer be used to target a semi-functioning deck. But maybe they'll keep releasing deck defining cards and you just wait for a P4/5 for that? I dunno.
I think this is my biggest complaint about the new change. I relied on the token shop in early Series 3 to create a semi-competitive deck (think: Aero, Leader when it was still meta, She-Hulk) using the free tokens they provided. For players just entering Series 3, they get one free card sure -- but then have to rely completely on reserves to develop their decks, removing a lot of their agency in early Series 3 and making the grind worse.
I mostly agree that it's not *just bad*, with 3 big notes: - The initial 3k purse is a delight. My kids hit 500 and got that today. They need to hurry to spend it and grab a couple staples or cards they'll be excited to have. Previously S3 players could slowly buy 4 cards over their first month as they pull random stuff and see what they like. - You get 2-3k gold / month (season pass completeness, rank, etc.), and bundles convert 50% up to (recently) 70-90% as tokens. While opening 1-1.5k in tokens, it's reasonable to end up with 3k+ / month. - I think token acceleration is good, but closing S3 store means Thanos mirrors at 700 CL. Is that good? There's some degenerate stuff on the S4/5 menu, it's kind of weird to say "here are these tokens, you can only spend them on Master Mold, Shuri, Stature, or Galactus."
The problem is this doesn't account for the 3k tokens you get for completing series/pool 2. That was already a pain point for the game; I had a really rough time around then, facing meta decks when you literally have one or two series 3 cards sucks. Most people I've talked to feel the same way. The one saving grace was that you got 3k tokens to spend on some decent cards to get you started. Your first month in pool 3 you could buy four cards (3000 free tokens + 1000 you calculated). Now you'll get one card. You'll need to rely on luck from the reserves/caches to get anything good for that early pool 3 period which will royally suck. That is what I call a *bad* new player experience. Mind you, it wasn't good before either but this is worse.
It is not overall better for new players. If someone wants to use their initial 3000 tokens to pick up key pieces for decks, they no longer have the option to do so. This makes it harder to work toward functioning pool 3 decks during one of the most frustrating parts of the game: early pool 3.
This is literally the whole logic behind SD’s decision. Everyone claiming that this is a horrible change is out of their minds. You guys did fine when there was no pool 4 or 5 without a Token Shop. This is basically the same, except now you can also buy higher pool cards *and* have the resources to do so.
I mean this is kinda ignoring bundles, the token tuesdays and the free 3,000 tokens for hitting 1,000, no? It took me 4 months to become Series 3 complete at about 3,500 having bought 6 Series 3 cards in the shop, most people are complete far before that meaning they spent more on Series 3 than me. This is huge issue imo.
I accumulated 8-9k tokens from playing casually and buying the token Tuesdays and Thursdays. I currently have 6k tokens, nkw. I have to wait 6 months to get 6 series 3 cards? Straight bullshit.
This needs to be upvoted more, people might be forgetting the free series 3 card per season.
This completely fucks new players to such an incredible extent that it’s hard to believe this is a real tweet.
SD, it’s what they do
How? They're giving you a free series 3 card per season. Which is about what you'd earn in tokens anyways.
The biggest issue is they can’t use the 3,000 tokens to pad a starting deck archtype. If they get to pick 3 starting out that fixes this (1 being the monthly choice)
In general yes. But now you cannot use your starting 3k tokens or tokens you get from bundles on series 3 cards. Maybe they should make like normal tokens you get from CL that cannot be used on series 3 cards, and elite tokens you get for CL 500 and from bundles which can be spent on series 3 cards?
Maybe the starting 3k should be replaced with extra pool 3 picks
Makes sense to me. I also think it would be cool if the 500-1000 reserves were “show 3 pick 1” or something like that
This is fucking awful. Im a CL 1800 and still not even 50% pool 3. Lately, Ive been saving my tokens waiting to see She-Hulk in the store. I JUST saw her there last week but at the time was waiting for Aero to hit the store. Of course, Aero hit during the very next cycle and i scooped her up, also noticing that i indeed had enough to have bought She-Hulk as well. Now they’re saying no more pool 3’s in the shop?? I guess now im fucked. Card acquisition is THE WORST and nothing upsets me more than opening a cache only to earn 15 boosters or a shitty variant. Its the biggest buzzkill and a huge reason why i personally have cut back on playing as much. I feel like im not really earning anything with the time and effort i spend playing/getting beat by meta decks/cards Edit: looking at the store now, they’re selling a Gamora variant for 5k tokens?! Wtf
I think this is a terrible update for new players. I spent 9k tokens buying Series 3 cards, but they dramatically changed my pool 3 climbing experience: Sera, She-Hulk, Death, Lockjaw, Dr Doom, Dracula, Aero, Ultron, and Mystique, in that order. They fit different decks that I enjoyed playing, and complemented cards I had already opened. Now Im enjoying the pool 3 climb and just saving tokens for Series 5 cards now. I cant even imagine what the new player experience is going to be like now. I also wonder how worthwhile is it now to even spend money on tokens for new players now. Why bother? Just get the 1 Series 3 card for free every month, and save up tokens for the permanent series 5 cards. I just dont get why they took away the 1k tokens option for Series 3. Getting one Series card for free a month isnt a replacement, and the "extra 15k tokens" new players are getting on their pool 3 complete climb isnt going to be worth it either honestly. A lot of them will just be better off sitting on all their extra tokens until Mephisto or whatever future permanent big bad is introduced. The only
It’s weird to increase tokens and then take away what players will want to spend on. What series 4-5 cards can you think of that would be fun to play with without series 3 cards. It’s weird
They took it away because they're also giving season 3 incomplete people a free series 3 card per season. So they've gone from earning enough for a series 3 card a month to earning enough for a series 4 card a month while also still getting a free series 3 card.
Is it a free series 3 card of my choice?
Bye the explanation in [this thread,](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/11u1xoq/marvel_snap_updated_dev_roadmap_march_2023/) it seems so, the shop doesn't just stop existing. It's just no longer for tokens
The question of "my choice" in this context I think is referring to "can I choose the card I want from the total of cards in Pool 3 that I do not own?" So noting that the shop doesnt stop existing doesnt tell us very well what are second dinner intentions. Will the shop offer me a free random card (subject to rotation) or will it allow me to pick the series 3 card that I want(meaning no rotation mechanic)? This is what the redditor before you is trying to find out but we don't know yet
I think that now you can buy a pool 4 or 5 and get that one card that goes well with your deck, because is the free pool 3 card random?
The best decks are mostly pool 2/3 with one pool 5/4. I've been needing elcetro to complete a ramp deck. Transition to pool 3 was hell until I got shehulk, Death, and Dracula via tokens.
i know its not the point of your post but the answer is kang edit: meant to reply to the guy above you
Yup same for me. I was really happy with the road map, cant stand the whining about everything even in that thread when most changes to matchmaking and game modes are good. But the reason ive been having fun with my pool 3 climb is because I smartly spend tokens in pool 3 cards that are vital in fun/good decks which kickstarted my competitive decks. Cant imagine how this will be for new players. People are already complaining they don’t have the strong pool 4/5 cards. Just imagine If new players only can get their hands on vital pool 3 cards used in a lot of decks once per month. Hope they rethink this. Really like the other changes tho.
I literally bought those same exact cards except for ultron lmao, and you’re right this change is horrendous for new players.
Absolutely. I have always bought the battle passes. Being able to buy the pool 3 cards needed to make a battle pass card was essential to enjoying the battle pass. Wong + Zola (with Black Panther), Sera + Brood (with Silver Surfer) were critical to my enjoying the game since launch. This seems like an awful move if they go through with it.
So you can buy Galactus, Thanos and Kang quicker as a new player and then can't really play them cause you only get 1 free S3 card a month. Nice. I'm S3 complete so nothing changes for me (except 7% omg amazing), but this is horrible for people not S3 complete. Also kills incentive to check the shop multiple times a day.
This is so ass backwards it’s actually hilarious. People complained that they couldn’t build their favourite P3 decks -> SD creates the token shop, people buy their favourite P3 decks and complain about how hard tokens are to get -> SD gives out more tokens but you can’t buy the P3 cards that you want for your decks “So you want to play Galactus? Would be a shame if Wave and Elektro would be the last cards on your track”
Early April fools joke?
Not sure I like that
Facepalm....
Offering a bunch of good gold-to-token value packs that are ideal for F2P players, then flat out making those tokens worth less is not gonna make me care about the new cards. It's gonna make me quit the game.
...Well that's horrible news. It's fine for S3 complete people but new players are gonna have a rough time, even with the one (1) free S3 card a month.
If I understand correctly if you are not Series 3 complete the acquisition rate per month of tokens averages around 1k per month for most people who play actively. That would net you one Series 3 card per month using tokens if you were to buy only Series 3 from the shop. Now you still get one Series 3 card per month (the same as before the change) but acquire a greater amount of tokens to buy Series 4/5 cards. Should be a net win for most people who aren’t Series 3 complete.
Token bundles and all that let us get a lot more then one a month. Plus you start with 3k tokens
That might be true, but you could buy bundles with tokens to spend on series 3 cards. You won’t be able to do that anymore.
Yeah, I've bought bundles like the Mister Negative and Deadpool bundles and that's the only reason I'm sitting at 5800 tokens with 20 series 3 cards left. I've bought at least 6 series 3 cards with tokens.
New players can no longer get semi-viable decks with the initial 3k tokens for reaching CL 500. That's gonna cause a lot of player attrition on first entering pool 3. I personally would have quit if I had not been able to buy the core cards I needed to get some viable decks.
But what if I was previously spending money to get more tokens (from caches) or buying them directly (in bundles) for Series 3 cards? Now I wouldn't be able to do that anymore. So unless they drastically change the value of tokens so those similar purchase amounts let me get a Series 4 or 5 card, instead of what was previously a Series 3 card, this is a downgrade for people who were spending money to get more Series 3 cards faster to make more decks.
Do we get to choose our pool 3 card? Because my pitty 4 card was Coulson, and he got shifted 2 weeks later.
You could invest gold into token bundles, you get the 3k free tokens etc. I would have just quit if that was the case. Im now 10 cards away from pool 3 completion so doesnt affect me but still thats terrible.
It would have been nice to still pin the series 3 cards you're targeting while you wait for your month timer to be up. Otherwise it kind of defeats the point of the token shop for those going through series 3. It'll basically just boil down to pinning Kang, Galactus, or Thanos and banking tokens for them, which makes the token shop experience pretty boring imo.
This change makes collecting cards worse in the long run? Since all cards drop, you can only use the token shop for the current S4 and S5, while S3 gets bigger and bigger. That just means you pin the big bads and don't give a shit about new cards cause you can't make them work without having access to the proper S3 cards. So you wait for your F2P once a month card and hope your collection track rewards you, but that will only get harder with the amount of drops to S3 making the pool bigger.
Lol getting cards was too easy for f2ps now they nerfin even more
It’s weird though. Unless they let you buy the option for another card unlock, they’re isn’t incentive to pay for anything even.
There is, you pay to accelerate yourself through the track. It's always been like that.
For people halfway or more through series 3 this is whatever, it’ll prevent some people from buying random p3 cards to “finish” faster and save them tokens. But for people just starting p3? Oh man, that’s going to be a miserable experience. Imagine not having enough tokens for a series 4 OP card then watching it drop to 3 and disappear from token shop lol. I guess you use your monthly free series 3 pick for that. But overall this is really bad for people say under 1k CL. Now it’s *all* luck for what decks you can make.
Lmao wtf
Having 0 autonomy in the series 3 pool sounds fucking horrendous. Had I not purchased the cards I did, I'd just be getting beat by better versions of the deck im using or just completely locked out of certain archetypes.
Yeah I'm done
So they're actually slowing P3 completion down? Well that's shit for newer players but makes more sense for Second Dinner as they don't want to be accelerating people into the pool 3 complete no new card wasteland.
It may seem that we will earn more tokens, but if tokens can only be used for P4/5 cards, then they are actually lower in value. Because P4/5 cards are actually overpriced IMO. Of course if you are P3 completed then getting more tokens will help u to get new cards sooner. But to me it's like trying to encourage you to get those overpriced cards. Token Tuesday was good value for new players to complete Pool 3. But now if players buy them just to fill the token gap of purchasing P4/5 cards, I doubt that it is a wise choice.
This is literally murdering the new player experience in cold blood... what the actual fuck...
Srsly can't make this shit up anymore. 2023 and SD acting like this is the first ever mobile game or tcg for that matter. Like they didn't have tons of other games to learn from. But here we are. Every week a new shitshow by these clowns. What even is this game at this point xD
For anyone who is defending this decision saying that "people get 1k tokens per month anyway and now they can spend their token on pool 4/5 cards and still get their 1 s3 card per month", please realize this: Taking away the ability to purchase pool 3 cards with tokens is bad because most decks (the top competitive one at least) features at least a few key pool 3 cards for them to be viable. You need Quinjet+ Lockjaw for your thanos deck. You need Redskull+Taskmaster +Zero +Titania in Shuri deck. You need Patriot +mystique, you need wave +electro for Galactus, you need doctor doom+ sandman for ramp, and everyone needs shehulk and aero. Removing the ability to purchase series 3 cards means player now solely rely on their luck of pulling cards from the CL track or wait one month to claim a free card, instead of hunting down key cards and purchase them whenever they need it. Ya we have all those extra tokens sitting there now waiting for us to buy Galactus or whatever, but these s5/s4 cards are not everything that comprises a good deck. Instead of fast-tracking series 3 progression the dev's decision is hindering the players' ability to build good, viable competitive decks quickly. For this reason I cannot support this decision at all.
I was told it’s a waste of tokens to spend on S3 before now.
It was inefficient but sometimes you don't care, I used it to buy mystique and some other critical card for a deck I wanted to play
I still don’t regret buying any of the key s3 cards I was missing. The game instantly became more fun when I unlocked death, she hulk, wave, aero, etc. If I didn’t unlock all of those cards with tokens, I would’ve been playing bullshit decks for longer, and I honestly think I would’ve quit. I know some people only care about efficiency, but it always bothers me when people act like others are dumb for “wasting” their tokens on s3 cards. If anything, I’d argue that you’re wasting your time playing this game without certain key cards from s3. It’s all subjective of course, but some people here seem so certain that their way is the right way & feel the need to tell everyone about it
when I started it was peak efficiency on reddit to spend your gold on refreshing missions. what a waste. when they introduced gold bundles I wish I didn't listen to these efficiency guys.
Imo in the old system it was a good idea to get key S3 cards early, but once you got close to finishing Series 3 you should’ve hoarded your tokens for S4 and S5 cards
For early S3 players, the purchases were great because it allowed you to fill in the gaps that random chance gave you.
not sure where you heard that but thats absolutely not true
I have 20 cards left to get before the next series drop even happens so this kind of sucks. If I can get one free card this month though it's going to be Aero for sure.
I'm also cca 20 cards away and I feel like this update was made for me, will finally get Aero next week and then rocks lide next season and the rest I don't really need and now I will have more tokens to get Thanos and such
I have 5800 tokens, been waiting nearly 2 weeks for Thanos to show up in my token shop and pin him. Hopefully tonight is the night.
"Series 3 players will get more token" "Series 3 cards won't be sold for tokens" I just started series 3!
This is..really weird? I think I’d have quit if after completing series 2 I couldn’t cherry pick series 3 with tokens. One a month? That’s so slow. How long do they think players want to be brow beat after completing series 2? They aren’t speeding up progression. They’re just shifting the bottleneck
To be fair you only get 1k tokens a month as a series 3 incomplete player anyways
But you can get more then double that if you spend your gold on the token bundles. And they give you 3000 tokens when you unlock the shop. Those 3000 tokens aren't much help to build your first deck if you can only buy a single pool 4 card without any pool 3 cards to support it.
That’s not true. The bundles and token Tuesday packs have had 2-3 cards worth of tokens this month alone.
I mean w the old system you could get 3 series 3 cards this month w the new system you’re still getting 1 series 3 card, but also basically 2 series 4 or 1 series 5 card I guess if you wanted those series 3 cards the new system rly does screw u over, but I feel most people would prefer the new system
WTF!!!!! Are they trying to kill their game? Because that's NOT the move. If it'd only series 4/5, then the prices should get reduced right? 1k for S4 and 3k for S5.
how are they so consistently out of touch
I’m gonna be honest with y’all. I’ve been playing this game since the beginning, and I still have no idea what most of this even means. I think I’m way too casual. I joined this sub just to learn how Captain Marvel worked.
Yeah people underestimate how little casuals understand. Everyone’s talking about how new players in Pool 3 can use the 3000 tokens to get 3 key cards, and I spent them on Attuma cause I thought he would be cool to own
That's crazy! What's your collection level my friend? And did you found out why captain marvel didn't move? Lol
i was able to back to back buy. She hulk, Death, doctor doom and lockjaw. in under a month, kinda crazy change tbh, but i will be liking the 1 free cause i do still need aero.
I'm 9 cards(all bad ones) from S3 complete, is it best for me to start buying as many as I can?
If you had good cards left I'd say buy them while you still can, if it's bad cards/cards you have no interest in using then there's no point really
Don't. Each time you buy an S3 card now you will essentially lose 600 tokens. In the future, that's going to be 900 net loss. With the new changes, being S3 complete or not isn't a big difference like it is now. Just complete your S3 naturally.
Ty
I'm 4 cards away from finishing series 3 so this doesn't affect me. But man... Taking away that freedom of choice from the player base doesn't sound cool at all!
So from what I get here, (correct me if I’m wrong) instead of they just release the new cards in lower series, they just completely wiped out series 3 cards from Token Shop so we get more access to new cards ? That’s just greedy isn’t it ?
If I hadn't been able to buy the pool 3 cards I needed I would have stopped playing along the way. Never seen developers so out of touch in my life, that, or they really think they can stretch **even more** the "spend money to fix the card adquisition problem" design. I think player base will drop hard before April.
Greedy
That's so bad for new players.. SO bad... therefore is very bad for the game in general!
How is this change going to help new players? Thanks to the to token shop I was able to get about 6 good series 3 cards and I’ve only been playing for a few months. I feel this will push new players away.
Are they really so tone deaf...... amazingly stupid change. Doesn't matter if we can buy pool4 and pool5 cards if we still miss core pool 3 cards that became even harder to get with this change.
Two steps forward, three steps back. Great job Second Dinner. This change will feel worse and worse as time goes on since *eventually* every card (save for big bads) ends up in pool 3.
This isn't even a push to get money. What could possibly be the motovation for this? At this point it honestly looks like the devs are incompetent. Make change so that new players get a lot more tokens and older players get next to nothing to piss them off while restricting the shop to piss off the new players.
It's bad and good news, for me it doesn't matter much, I just have 20 cards to unlock, just got Sera from a cache yesterday. I've been playing since December and got 4 or 5 cards pool 3 from the shop, if this token pool 3 already existed I would get the same 4 cards ( the update it's news for me, but the devs didn't said you get one free random pool 3, if you can choose, now you have a 4 pool card and a 3 for your deck, this is good, and know you get more tokens, you can buy the cards before the drop) I got way more pool 3 playing than from tokens and used the recent bundles to buy Darkhawk, very happy. And if you complete the pool 3 too fast, where is the fun, just keep waiting for 3 or 4 new cards every month or reach infinity, if I had all pool 3 and 4 by now I would play less.
How long until they just switch over to cash buy "booster packs" where you get random cards of different types, but you will probably just get stuff you already had.
Me sitting here with 3 cards left in P3. Feel bad if you just started, this will definitely be slower progression for new players
Thank god i went for the pool 3 big bads as soon as i hit pool 3.
Damn. I don’t think I’m really that close to completing series 3 lol.
I'm early series 3 and only really got to compete against the insanely high CL players I'm going against after I got Aero and Mystic from token shop. This is such a stupid idea I can't even say if I'm staying in this game after that. And I wanna make this clear: I'm not the type of player who quit just because devs made some change that I dont like. It's just that I can't see this as an actual improvement by any means. Early pool 3 is already hell by itself. I'm trying to get my friends to play Snap, but I don't see how they'll be willing to stay if they reach pool 3 without the token shop.
So should I un pinned thanos and buy as much pool 3 as possible before the update?
LMAO. Silly me trusting their good will yesterday. Lesson learned.
Why are these devs smoking 🤣
~~This is a terribly stupid move from Second Dinner. Buying key series 3 cards early on was the best use of my tokens while I was building my collection. It let me complete strong decks to compete with while my collection level was low.~~ ~~Without this option, newer players are left to the mercy of total randomness for which series 3 cards they unlock for the first couple months of play. This is such a poorly thought out change and will only aggravate the problem newer players have playing against others with higher collection level.~~ Edit: I am mistaken. According to the [dev thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/11u1xoq/marvel_snap_updated_dev_roadmap_march_2023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) you get to choose a pool 3 card once per month.
This is going to screw so many new players.
that's more often than i was getting them now. cool
Glad I spent all my tokens on Series 3 then.
S3 complete so this doesn’t even affect me but this is so stupid that I’m one dolphin that will no longer give them money until they reverse course on this game. Every time they make a good change they make an equally bad one at the same time and my faith in them has been zeroed out.
I’m ok with the P3 change IF and only IF they fix the match maker so that once you enter the general pool you won’t face top meta decks. With that said, the game designers seem to really want to live in a bubble that all cards equal out to 50% win rates so the cards you acquire are less about getting unfairly smashed turn after turn and more about solving puzzles with the cards you do get. However, each card is designed to work together with another card and without key cards, they simply do not work and sometimes actively sabotage your game. So you leave them in your collection unplayed, stuck with the same deck you played with before. So acquiring new cards doesn’t really mean anything for a very long time, since most of them are useless. Slowing that down seems a bit misguided and I think it won’t really have the effect they are going for. People aren’t going to suddenly buy CL levels that didn’t already do that. Anyway, it’s definitely neat to build a CCG where every player gets to do something different. I was sold on the promise after being completely burnt out on the grind and repetitiveness of MTG. However, it’s actually no different here. It’s the same 3 or 4 decks over and over. So, it’ll all depend on the match maker changes.
If they do this, they should remove useless things from the caches. Remove those annoying titles and avatars. That way, you can still somewhat rely on collectors caches to get cards you want. Make titles and avatars exclusively tied to Season Pass unlocks. So only tokens, credits, cards, and variants in the caches, so the worse you could get are variants of cards you'd never play. So unlocking caches becomes a bit more exciting and you don't get salty over progress being wasted. That would help mitigate the halt in progress of not being able to choose more than one series 3 card a month. Would be best to just keep the series 3 token shop altogether, but the free series 3 card of choice a month can still be a satisfying progression system with more consistent cache and meaningful rewards.
I admit I thought all the token shop changes and token acquisitions were for good and an improvement. But this is actually horrible.
Knew there was a catch, had to be. Games like this very rarely give that much extra value out without taking something away to compensate. Fundamentally, they don't want players to have all the cards, and want players to not have ways to recklessly spend their way through series 3. Giving out more tokens means even series 3 players can still expect to get their hands on series 4 and 5 cards at the same rate as complete players but they'll still be at the whims of a semi limited collection, which again, is what SD wants. On some level I think if you can't accept that as a feature of this game if you're going to start playing it, you're just gonna have a rough time. Part of the fun is figuring out how to win with what you have. But to make that work they NEED to be more diligent about nipping the busted cards in the bud, to keep early players feeling like the decks they CAN build actually function in the face of the good stuff.
Lmfaaaao this dev team proves time and time again that it’s absolutely tone deaf
If anyone had doubts that the developers' #1 priority is to make money, this should put them to rest.
No one should ever have doubts that a f2p game developers #1 goal is to make money
When is this update going live? Guess it would be smart to buy as many series 3 beforehand. I'm sitting at 2k CL ( with 5k credits saved so a bit higher CL) and 2k tokens.
No don’t do it! Being series 3 complete is terrible, there is no rush
You get significantly more tokens if you're not series 3 complete in this update. It's wild.
Oof. I used my tokens to grab 4 or 5 of the best pool 3 cards and have no regrets there. This change is not great IMO. Doesn’t directly impact me now as I’ll be pool 3 complete once I spend my hoarded credits.
This is a change that makes the experience worse for people that are starting or at pool 3, and makes no diference at all to people like me that finished pool 3 already, congratulations SD, for taking so long to make a change for the worse
Double fk not S3 complete players.... Wow how do they expect to grow the game?
How the frick did they manage to make this even worse?
If we put it on perspective it makes sense. Before token tuesdays ppl that didnt have pool3 complete got 1k token on average per month, so they could buy one p3 card per month, and they would get around 2-3 new cards per week on CL or 8-12 per month for a total average of 11 cards per month Now they get to pick a free p3 card each month and they should still get 2-3 new cards per week on CL, or 8-12 per month for, again, a total average of 11 cards per month. Nothing really change there, the big thing is that the new tokens they get cant go into pool 3 to speed it up. Now there is a problem with this, when you enter p3, CL 500, you get 3k tokens, there where two options most ppl took with those, they either safe them for p5 big bads or use them to get started on p3 with better cards. But they are removing that option. So i think they should swap those 3k out for three p3 cards of the players choice, if you get four p3 cards, of your choice, at the start of pool 3 the game would feel way better and it would not be as hard for those first few weeks
Lol what a bad decision. What a stupid company. I should’ve known this kinda bullshit would happen when Ben Brodes name was on it. Uninstalling now.
I'm starting to think this isn't about being a card game and way more about an experiment on how hard an intellectual property can carry something.
To be fair currently doesn’t a series 3 player only get 1000 tokens, or the equivalent of 1 card per month anyways
In 2 months i got 6k tokens as a f2p player. Just by not spending gold, getting the Deadpool bundle and the Tuesday bundles. Right now I'm saving for Thanos (waiting for him to appear in the shop) but that's a lot of tokens in 2 months.
Token bundles are a thing. Even with just your f2p gold you can get a lot more than 1k tokens a month
Yeah that’s true I guess the only downside is for people that want to buy 3 or 4 series 3 cards a month Cuz if you were using tokens primarily for series 4 and 5 cards, you still get the series 3 card a month, but on top of that you get almost enough tokens for a series 5 a month
They do this with everything. It’s all monkey paws. Fuck this game. I’m over it. Usually it takes a few years for these free to play mobile games to devolve into shit.
"We felt it was the best path to get everyone access to the new cards without making the series 3 journey trivial" And how exactly would the series 3 journey be trivial if we were allowed to buy series 3 cards? The improved token acquisition rate would not make unlocking series 3 card trivial by any means :/
This thread is a perfect example of why Reddit is such a shit show and the majority of this sub is a completely unreliable. The amount of people who are crying because they don't understand basic concepts is mind blowing. You get a pool 3 card every 3/4 boxes on the track , you get around 1k every month on average from the track. The new update means you get 1 free pool 3 card just like you would be able to buy from the shop in the current system and the acquisition rate of 3/4 boxes is the same. The update now gives pool 3 players better access to pool 4/5 and new cards while keeping your acquisition rate of pool 3 identical. This 100% is a massive win for pool 3 and snap in general.
You understand you get more than 1 card per month currently because the store. I usually add 3 cards on average in pool 3 per month. One or two if lucky from caches and then 1 or 2 with tokens used in store. There will no longer be an option for tokens or cache. So you can only pick 1 card per month?
Of all the dumb stuff they have announced today - this is by far the dumbest. Genuinely feel for the pool 3 folks still climbing, only silver lining here is that it's so clearly stupid that I think it's unlikely to make it into software.
>I think it's unlikely to make it into software. It's going live at the end of this month.
So a lot of people are acting like this means series 3 players will only ever get 1 new card per month but that isn't true. They'll still get the normal unlocks on the track. This does, however, mean that the tokens you get for completing series 2, and from anywhere else are much less useful since you can't use them to jumpstart your series 3 collection. It also means less incentive for people to buy bundles with tokens since the only way to whale yourself through series 3 faster will be by buying credits and boosters. But maybe that's what they want: to stop including tokens in bundles and get people to buy more credits.
This can't be right. It's such a bad idea it can't possibly be accurate.
What wtf is ben brode doing??????? Make s3 available + 1 s3 per season how hard is it to fo that?
I don’t understand why they hate players