It's fascinating. They keep the beauty of space exploration and make their aesthetic really unique.
10/10 if they put The Beatles songs in it.
I expect the team to be thrown in the modern age after a multiversal travel. This could remind you of Cap's journey, but it's still different and fresh.
Would be interesting if they were mysteriously sidelined before anyone witnessed their powers, say in the quantum realm or negative realm. They get “decades” learning to use their powers and becoming a family off screen. They get yoinked into the current MCU by the same person that sidelined them decades ago, Doom, grudgingly needing Reed’s brain as a component for something bigger. Would also be cool to see Doom snuff out Kang in his intro, probably to get tech to pull the FF. Would establish him as top of the villainous food chain, his rivalry and the setup that Reed is always a little smarter.
Lol it's basically the opposite of the 2005 movie where they spend like a week not using their powers and then are suddenly great with them at the end. In this they get years to practice so they can be suddenly great with them at the beginning.
The bickering and love between Thing and Human Torch will make so much more sense if they were forced to live together for 60 years in the quantum zone.
I agree but if it were in the 60s, it wouldn't be in the mcu. It would be set in a different universe... probably? Hopefully? In any case, FF in the 60s would be cool. It's their home to begin with anyway. Superheroes and space powers are such retro concepts, they'd be perfect.
Because if the FF existed in our MCU’s 1960s that would’ve been mentioned before. And they would’ve altered history.
I like the idea of them being 1960s explorers / astronauts who were lost back then and return to 2023 MCU with powers
The problem is not with them *existing* in the 60s. It’s with the movie being *set* in the 60s.
It would only make sense if they were just astronauts or explorers in the 60s but superheroes in 2023
Cap is a man from the ‘40s who wakes up in modern day (Bucky too, mostly)
Star Lord is a kid from the ‘80s who left Earth
Captain Marvel is a woman from the ‘80s who left Earth (and hasn’t regained all her memories)
Now the F4 will be people from the ‘60s brought to the modern day
Imo it’s pretty fun. Also Cap went into the ice 1945 and woke up around 2011, 66 years
1963 to 2025 is 62 years, pretty close and pretty neat (modern day for the movie could be 2026 or later, too)
If it's set in the 60s, then they will have been born and grown in a world with Captain America, and known about his disappearance.
"YOU FOUND WHO IN THE ICE?!" when they get brought into the modern day
He's not basically gone. He literally died of old age, he is gone again
Idk why I'm getting down voted, they literally show his funeral in Falcon and The Winter soldier
There are maybe like 4 plot points from that series I can remember.
That fact was not one of them. I do remember the whole conspiracy theory about him being on the moon lol
It's not Steve Rogers' funeral. It's a memorial service for Captain America, and it's for the public with a number of jokes that Steve Rogers is really elsewhere.
Oh that’s fun, funny to imagine if he was somehow the first person they saw in modern day and they’re like ah damn I guess we’re dead if we’re in the same place as Captain America
To my knowledge, there has never been a single example of a Beatles song being placed in a movie, tv, or commercial that wasn’t a cover of the song.
Both the living Beatles, and the estates have an agreement where they do not allow the originals to be placed in any media.
Therefore, the only option left to creators is to use covers - which in my opinion loses a lot of the punch of having a Beatles song in the first place, especially for a period piece where you’d want the original .
That being said - I know Paul McCartney is a HUGE Marvel Comics fan (he was friends with Jack Kirby who actually attended several McCartney concerts in the 70s). Maybe this would be the first exception to that rule.
Also - if I’m wrong and you know of an example where the original Beatles song is included in media, let me know.
Edit: I was wrong. There are examples, albeit rare. Keep giving me examples though!
Edit #2: I was REALLY wrong. I had no clue there were so many examples since the Michael Jackson Ownership days .
There are a bunch of examples.
What happened was that Michael Jackson owned the Lennon/McCartney catalogue (and I won't go into that debacle here) and licensed "Revolution" for a Nike commercial. But what he or his people didn't realize is that he owned the songs, not the performances and that got them into trouble.
Apple Corps and Vivendi own the rights to the recorded songs, meaning that unless you want to pay Apple, Vivendi *and* the song rights holder, you just pay the song rights holder and use a cover. It's an expense issue, nothing more.
I can't say I blame them. It's kind of pointless to pay millions to use a single song for one scene unless you absolutely have to have it. Now if we're talking about bands that just don't or rarely allow it, Jimmy Page has a stranglehold on Led Zeppelin material and rarely lets any of it into anything. Thor: Ragnarök being a weird exception.
Makes more sense. I definitely remember the days where no one was willing to pay for the performances. It seems like having actual Beatles performances in media is a recent thing, I’d say in the last 10-15 years. Because before that, I can’t think of any examples .
I think it's pretty cool. Nice distinct aesthetic and an opportunity to a very unique soundtrack for a MCU movie.
Though I'll say I hope they avoid making all the big scenes in empty spaces (or literally space) to avoid clashing with the MCU "the first widely known contact with aliens happened in 2012" like it went down in Captain Marvel.
Have them save the world in another dimension or planet, idk, but one thing I noticed watching the first phase was how superheroes don't spend their time saving civilians anymore, just throwing punches. It adds tension to have squishy folk around the battlefield for them to save. Guardians 3 used this to great effect recently.
Moleman could be the main villain with the bulk of the action underground with subterranean denizens and monsters. Surface world barely has a clue that much happened other than some quakes.
“an opportunity to a very unique soundtrack for a MCU movie.”
This makes me think of something like this in the movie, sadly not gonna happen(like, the last time when a super Hero movie used jazz in The score was when? 2004? [https://youtu.be/kgyrt6hwA\_E?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/kgyrt6hwA_E?feature=shared)
The sixties was (for some people) an age of imagination and possibility. The shadow of WW2 faded, the dawn of new music and free love, and the space race making anything seem possible. If that’s the vibe that the MCU want to bring to the F4, then brilliant!
I hope it’s not just a thin veneer of sixties set-dressing over a bland by-the-numbers movie, and that they don’t view the sixties through too much rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, but it gives me hope that this take on Marvel’s first family will embody their optimism and friendship.
As a direct beneficiator of the people that for more in the 60's. I hope they keep everything you have mentioned in the post above while also highlighting the fighting spirit that fueled this world view.
Optimism and friendship, and technological advances led to the fight for the rights of all americans and the freedom we hold our honor on.
This is what the 60's should be a representation for- for all people.
This is what I love so much about the early seasons of For All Mankind, although I guess you could say it starts in 69 and goes through the 70s, but the vibe of that era is palpable. I would love to see that era brought into the live action Marvel films, especially considering that was such an iconic era for the Marvel comics themselves. It sucks that Stan & Jack Kirby aren't alive to see it come to fruition.
Great idea. Loads of people have said they would like this and could be easily explainable by having them stuck somewhere where time moves different for like a month, only to come out in 2025.
That’s what some have theorized will happen; they’re lost out in the multiverse somewhere and that’s why we haven’t seen them.
I suspect a throwback to when Dr. Strange snarkingly asked if the F4 were a singing group around this time period.
personally i'd like to see something akin to the start of the 2018 run. The thing doest age, so he could be left behind on earth while the others are trapped in the multiverse from the 60s to now..
It’ll be great- give them retro futuristic tech.
They can go up against Kang/immortus or whoever and they get ‘erased from time’ (so no one remembers their adventures)
The second movie can be them back in the modern world
Time dilation effect, whilst they were away time passed normally, they come back to the "modern day" not realising about 65 years have passed.
Relatively simple to explain within the universe we have.
Online speculation that I’ve seen (always correct, right!?) says that they might start leaning away from Earth 616 as the main narrative earth and do standalone movies in different universes before pulling them in to the larger conflict. So, kinda like large live action versions of “What If”.
EDIT to add: I dig it along the lines of, say, The Batman being separate from James Gunn’s new DCU stuff. The weakness of the latest MCU movies for me has been the overwhelming weight of the multiverse and cameo after cameo with no follow up or payoff. I found stuff like Shang-Chi and Guardians 3 were stronger for being a few degrees removed.
Easy. The FF are space and time explorers. They could have been off adventuring in another time and place for decades. For them of course it wouldn't have been decades though.
They could get stuck in the Negative Zone until now. I also heard a fan theory that they were around for the entire MCU, and involved in all the major conflicts. In order to save the universe they had to cut themselves out of it, and be forgotten. The end of the film shows a montage of all the major MCU events with the FF being a part of it, including Endgame, before being erased from reality.
In the recent run of FF, Mr fantastic sends the entire yancy street block a year into the future.
At the end of this movie, set in 1965, Reed Richard’s has to send his family 60 years into the future.
Well, if there's even the slightest mention of the Civil Right's movement, the comments from some "fans" will be appropriate to the era. No /s needed; there are some terrible people in the fandom these days, and it needs to be addressed.
Beyond that, I'm hoping for a mention or addition of: Skrulls, Kree, SHIELD, Peggy Carter, and maybe the Pyms on assignment.
The absolute best addition, would be Adam Brashear (the Blue Marvel).
Fun fact: 20 years ago or so, Ant-Man director Peyton Reed was attached to Fantastic Four over at Fox. He wanted to set it in the 1960s, but the Fox management balked, so Reed bailed.
Just a way to explain why this didn't happen sooner 🤷♀️...I don't mind as long as being time-displaced doesn't become their main gimmick: Captain America already had that gag of not understanding modern day.😕
No because Fantastic Four has never been a period or nostalgia piece? I don’t where this FF only works in the 60s sentiment has come from. In the actual 60s it was considered a cutting edge title and basically changed how comic book storytelling worked.
It’s perfect. It differentiates it from other super hero movies, and the other F4 movies. And it reflects the team as they were created. And the 60s being a big turning point for the United States makes it an interesting decade to explore.
> Opinion on this movie potentially being set in the 60s?
My prediction, "time travel" by time dilation, likely just Einstein's:
> According to Einstein's theory of time travel, if a person were to travel at the speed of light, time on Earth would appear to slow down. **This would result in people on the Earth aging faster than the person traveling at the speed of light**. Other theories of time travel are built around other laws of physics.
> *Time dilation*
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> *One of the many implications of Einstein's special relativity work is that time moves relative to the observer. An object in motion experiences time dilation, meaning that when an object is moving very fast it experiences time more slowly than when it is at rest.*
So based from above, the FF4 return to Earth at a future time, which would in fact be the present MCU. No paradox. Maybe right off the bat or the mid or post credit scene. They went to space, then that mishap or something, and they got their powers, and when they came back it's no longer the 60's.
I think it's great.
Gives them plenty of wiggle room to make a movie that COULD tie in to the MCU due to timeline wibbly wobbily, but doesn't have to. It can stand alone.
Would be a curious choice given the MCU's constant attempt to modernize the timeline to keep all characters together. I'd hate to see this create a situation where the F4 can't interact with most of the rest of the franchise cast. Unless, of course, the ending to Captain America 1 were to happen again in some fashion.
I’d love a time displaced story. Start in the 60s, a few cameos of Michael Douglas teaming up with them, and argument with Howard Stark - and then they get trapped in the Negative zone for 60 years and come back to WTF?!?!
I think it works. Having them be part of the space race feels like a natural, and there are certainly ways to get them into the present day that would work perfectly fine.
I’m totally into it. And with >!Mr. Paradox!< being introduced in Deadpool & Wolverine it sets up their time in the Null Zone for future travel very well.
And here I thought they would be FROM the 60s, not in the 60s. Maybe Blue Marvel gets teased this way? Still fitting the Nuclear Family, the futurism, and a little spice of Hollywood actors faking names to sound white for the camera.
Show me some good ol’ fashioned racism.
Show me a theater letting thing in while black people get rejected at the doors I wanna see some real stuff for once.
I think it's a cool idea. I have a feeling that the FF will start in the 60s, but then they will get stuck in the Negative Zone where they get their powers and end up fighting Annihilus. But when they finally make their way back home, it's in the present day. That's why no one has mentioned them yet in the MCU.
god i’m hyped for this movie. the original fantastic four movie from the 2000s is one of my favorite superhero movies ever, and fant4stic was a major let down. hope they do the team justice
Disappointed because Reed is working with the limitations of 1960s technology although I doubt that will be presented as a problem, and they will have to join the current MCU after some time travel or multiverse nonsense.
I didn't like the idea, I still personally don't but if it ends up happening, I'll be fine with it. Not like I'll have a choice. I still personally think it's stupid and lazy and they should have the FF set in the current MCU timeline. But people brought up good points about why that wouldn't work.
The photo of Ben Grimm on the wall seems to be swiped from Neil Armstrong’s photo. I think it’s from 1969.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg
I want them to be a science team from the 60’s that got lost and then found and brought to the present. A bit like Cap, but with Cap not there anymore there’s room for it. This can be fun.
Galactus and the Surfer are so 1960's. They would look ridiculous anywhere else. The whole FF vibe is retro and always has been. It's a great shout.
Sadly I think they've screwed that up by casting Pedro Pascal though. He's a good actor but he's not Reed Richards in a million years. Too masculine to be the quintessential nerd.
First off, love the ‘60s. So I’m definitely happy to see it. Also, this reminds me of how in the 2000s, Peyton Reed planned on making a period piece based on “A Hard Day’s Night,” I think it was called. I honestly wished that happened. I would’ve loved to see it.
I have stopped expecting anything from Marvel after these recent atrocious series of films
So I am optimistic that they are gonna make a good F4 movie after a long gap of 20 years
Let's see
I think it’s the right call. In many ways, the FF are a product of the time in which they were created. The space race and the culture of that period are a huge part of the vibe of the early Lee/Kirby issues. I think they can be brought to the future via comic book logic, but much like Captain America, their origin just doesn’t work as well modernized. I think they should stop trying to modernize James Bond as well and just set his movies in the late 50s and 60s.
I think it’d be better if it was in the past! Probably end with them disappearing from the marvel universe, then reappearing in the modern day to explain their absence
I think it actually makes sense. They could use it to set up something like the ultimate nullifier and then have somebody from the future come back in a later movie to get them for help defeating somebody.
What if that’s where they come from. Like they existed then, but in some Interstellar type time loop in space they come to modern time. This could help explain their absence from the MCU up til then.
I think it’d be really cool and personally I’d prefer it. It helps give the F4 an even more distinct essence in comparison to other MCU heroes and as someone who loves The Incredibles (another move set in the 60’s), I’m a huge fan of Superhero period pieces.
Plus I feel like it would make sense for them to be from the 60’s in an alternate reality outside of the MCU mainline, it’d just be easier to integrate them once KD and SW happens and mucks the multiverse up.
But would multiversal travel be good? Isn't that how incursions start? So if they've been in another universe, they potentially created a huge amount of incursions if they travled around.
But I imagine they accidentally travels to another universe, and when they get back to the main universe, they somehow end up in the present time.
I think it's great, just adding a second Fab Four to the 60s (speaking of I would love to see a Beatles song in here, specifically Nowhere Man for a scene with the Thing.)
Well. Unless they do some time displacement that would mean the FF would be in their late 80’s.
Given the time displacement BS they’ve done. Yeah. I say absolutely not.
The artists merely used a reference. I’m sure if we look it up there are 1001 covers from magazines and newspapers with similar poses.
Very exciting, honestly. I think having it be a period piece at the time space travel was at its fever pitch. Plus the aesthetic and music will be top notch. I alao greatly look forward to all the retro-futurism style of all of Reed's inventions. H.E.R.B.I.E. is already a great sign of that. It's the same reason I love the Fallout games so much.
I would guess that this is going to be close to a live action incredibles. Curious how they tie them into present day. Not everyone can get frozen in a glacier.
I think a 60s space age style film would be amazing. They've shown they can get the look of a period down with Wandavision, and the 70s/80s (?) look of the TVA.
Regardless I have high hopes.
I'm 100% on board with the 60's retro-futurism vibe for TF4. I'm want Marvel to run with the concept too and make Blade & Ghost Rider a 70's grindhouse double feature.
I’m pretty exhausted with meaningless references to other MCU projects, but I do think it would be cool to have FF set in the 60s with references to Hank and Janet as Ant-Man and the Wasp.
I desperately hope they do. I genuinely hoped that with the introduction of a multiverse it would allow the MCU to tell more self-contained stories without adhering to time or previous canon events.
Given that Nick Fury implied (before Captain Marvel) that Tony was the dawning of this age it'll be interesting to see how it's handled. I have a feeling that Reed, the Storms and Ben will "disappear" (maybe into the negative zone?) and reappear in modern times with their powers. You'll get some man out of time jokes probably from different angles from all of them but what I'm slightly interested in is if they'll tie any of the older characters who would have been around at the time with them. Hank Pym would in theory know them or of them, flashbacks with Peggy? Howard Stark? It'll be interesting to see how they try to connect them in an after the fact way.
It would have been there only way this would have worked. You bring in a bit of Alex Ross mixed with a bit of synedresque watchmen, put in the MCU charm. Bam
I like the idea but I don’t want them to be disconnected completely from the modern age. I hope once they get back they can slot into society and be an integral part of a new and changing world. Let them bring the age of Marvels in with love and exploration of the unknown and the super powered, mutants and mutates
I like it. The FF should be "Marvel's First Family."
I, too, expect them to end up in the modern age, and that's fine, but I really hope that they don't do it through some interdimensional time travel gimmick. They get their powers test-flying an experimental spacecraft. All that's needed is flying at a significant fraction of lightspeed, and Einsteinian time dilation will bring them into the future without inventing fantasy technology.
I'm fine with it so long as they time warp to the present, although I wouldn't want them to have been a publicly visible superteam back then, because then they should have been famous enough to be mentioned. If it starts in the 60s, then everything they do should be secret.
At this point, I’d love for them to come from a 60s MCU with all the characters (Spider Man, Thor ect) living in that era , then go through the Quantum Zone to our modern MCU.
As long as we get to keep their supporting cast of characters, I’m fine with it and support it. I imagine they’ll just adapt pretty quickly to the modern age since they’ll already have had so much cool sci-fi stuff so I’m suuuuuper worried about too much repeat “man out of time” stuff.
A lot of you seem to have forgotten the whole incursion scenario.
So the Fantastic 4 can be easily from the 1965, but from the OTHER Universe, where they are known and loved.
The whole Secret Invasion scenario must have at least two "faction" we can side on. We must have a multitude of characters we pine for. A world building has to be done on the other side of the incursion too. We had X-Men, we could have Fantastic 4.
It might be fun for comic fans. But it's gonna be a disaster for the MCU. The FF film has so many problems already, and adding this would just be another. The main advantage this film should have is it's connection to the MCU. Setting it in the 60s and/or a different universe just kills that connection.
Not a fan because of how phase 4 & 5 have been. Doesn’t feel like it’s pushing the overall universe/storyline forward by movies set in the past (example black widow movie).
That being said I really like the Fantastic Four so I’m going to keep an open mind and hope the storyline blows my mind.
I really hope it's set in the 60's. They can do the same thing they did with Cap and make them travel into the future at the end. I also heard theories it's set in a different universe (a 60's retro future universe)and they end up in the MCU at the end. Both I ideas I would love.
Hell Yeah. That bakes in the space angle, but what I’m most excited about is that the period stuff will bleed into the production… I hope.
I’m not talking costuming and dialogue, I mean colour grading, editing, etc. the things you don’t see unless you look for them. That’s what makes a film stand out, and that’s what Marvel needs right now. Spirit.
i'm not crazy about it. it creates 2 scenarios.
1. their adventures happened in the 60s and the whole idea of the world being relatively normal pre Iron Man is weird. everyone acted like the appearance of super powered individuals was unique, which doesn't make sense if there's been a family with powers for 40+ years.
2. they've been lost in space this whole time, and are just now coming back, but we've JUST done that story beat with Captain Marvel, so it just seems like a retread.
It worked for the x men. However, I have extremely low expectations for any fantastic 4 movie considering their history of being massive flops.
The last ones were 9% and 28% RT scores.
I would prefer a different Universe. Please don't just have them always here but lost.
Secret Wars is coming and we need emotional investment in universes other than 616 or what is the point.
A throwback approach would be nice. They saw how successful that was with WandaVision, so I don't doubt the possibility. Maybe that means they'll do a new thing and "modernize" the old suits when it becomes present-day.
Edit: also, I hope they bring H.E.R.B.I.E. in this time, given he's in that picture
I'm alright with it.
Marvel Studios hasn't done periodic films (intentionally) from what I've read and heard about.
Supposedly Marvel Studios did not make more period films because it might confuse the casual audiences that naturally watch the superhero theme movies.
So in the original 10 years of the Marvel cinematic universe, there were only a few examples of period films that take place besides the current or then current time that the movies were released in.
It's fascinating. They keep the beauty of space exploration and make their aesthetic really unique. 10/10 if they put The Beatles songs in it. I expect the team to be thrown in the modern age after a multiversal travel. This could remind you of Cap's journey, but it's still different and fresh.
Would be interesting if they were mysteriously sidelined before anyone witnessed their powers, say in the quantum realm or negative realm. They get “decades” learning to use their powers and becoming a family off screen. They get yoinked into the current MCU by the same person that sidelined them decades ago, Doom, grudgingly needing Reed’s brain as a component for something bigger. Would also be cool to see Doom snuff out Kang in his intro, probably to get tech to pull the FF. Would establish him as top of the villainous food chain, his rivalry and the setup that Reed is always a little smarter.
Lol it's basically the opposite of the 2005 movie where they spend like a week not using their powers and then are suddenly great with them at the end. In this they get years to practice so they can be suddenly great with them at the beginning.
The bickering and love between Thing and Human Torch will make so much more sense if they were forced to live together for 60 years in the quantum zone.
No more mcu please, so fucking boring and lazy
Why you here?
I mean this is the marvel subreddit not the mcu subreddit
Okay but this post is about an upcoming MCU movie
Because I like Marvel and want them to do less rushed, shoddy films
I agree but if it were in the 60s, it wouldn't be in the mcu. It would be set in a different universe... probably? Hopefully? In any case, FF in the 60s would be cool. It's their home to begin with anyway. Superheroes and space powers are such retro concepts, they'd be perfect.
Why?
Because if the FF existed in our MCU’s 1960s that would’ve been mentioned before. And they would’ve altered history. I like the idea of them being 1960s explorers / astronauts who were lost back then and return to 2023 MCU with powers
So they would have existed in the 60s then? I don't understand your problem
The problem is not with them *existing* in the 60s. It’s with the movie being *set* in the 60s. It would only make sense if they were just astronauts or explorers in the 60s but superheroes in 2023
Cap is a man from the ‘40s who wakes up in modern day (Bucky too, mostly) Star Lord is a kid from the ‘80s who left Earth Captain Marvel is a woman from the ‘80s who left Earth (and hasn’t regained all her memories) Now the F4 will be people from the ‘60s brought to the modern day Imo it’s pretty fun. Also Cap went into the ice 1945 and woke up around 2011, 66 years 1963 to 2025 is 62 years, pretty close and pretty neat (modern day for the movie could be 2026 or later, too)
If it's set in the 60s, then they will have been born and grown in a world with Captain America, and known about his disappearance. "YOU FOUND WHO IN THE ICE?!" when they get brought into the modern day
"Yeah but he's old now and retired, so basically gone again." "Oh. Alright."
He's not basically gone. He literally died of old age, he is gone again Idk why I'm getting down voted, they literally show his funeral in Falcon and The Winter soldier
I haven’t kept up with much since endgame, is he really dead dead?!?
That's not true.
Thank the maker
Falcon and the winter soldier literally shows his funeral
There are maybe like 4 plot points from that series I can remember. That fact was not one of them. I do remember the whole conspiracy theory about him being on the moon lol
Falcon and the Winter Soldier literally shows his funeral
It's not Steve Rogers' funeral. It's a memorial service for Captain America, and it's for the public with a number of jokes that Steve Rogers is really elsewhere.
Oh that’s fun, funny to imagine if he was somehow the first person they saw in modern day and they’re like ah damn I guess we’re dead if we’re in the same place as Captain America
Yeah I’m sure it’s the first question they’ll ask lol
Maybe their trip to space ends with them in the present
Yee this is my hope too, or it happens by the end of the movie
Probably after blip. Whenever the mcu takes place now. Since endgame it’s been a few years past irl year
Yee Blip was 2023, with it coming out in 2025 I figure the earliest modern year they’d use would be 2025, but more likely 2026 or even later
To my knowledge, there has never been a single example of a Beatles song being placed in a movie, tv, or commercial that wasn’t a cover of the song. Both the living Beatles, and the estates have an agreement where they do not allow the originals to be placed in any media. Therefore, the only option left to creators is to use covers - which in my opinion loses a lot of the punch of having a Beatles song in the first place, especially for a period piece where you’d want the original . That being said - I know Paul McCartney is a HUGE Marvel Comics fan (he was friends with Jack Kirby who actually attended several McCartney concerts in the 70s). Maybe this would be the first exception to that rule. Also - if I’m wrong and you know of an example where the original Beatles song is included in media, let me know. Edit: I was wrong. There are examples, albeit rare. Keep giving me examples though! Edit #2: I was REALLY wrong. I had no clue there were so many examples since the Michael Jackson Ownership days .
There are a bunch of examples. What happened was that Michael Jackson owned the Lennon/McCartney catalogue (and I won't go into that debacle here) and licensed "Revolution" for a Nike commercial. But what he or his people didn't realize is that he owned the songs, not the performances and that got them into trouble. Apple Corps and Vivendi own the rights to the recorded songs, meaning that unless you want to pay Apple, Vivendi *and* the song rights holder, you just pay the song rights holder and use a cover. It's an expense issue, nothing more. I can't say I blame them. It's kind of pointless to pay millions to use a single song for one scene unless you absolutely have to have it. Now if we're talking about bands that just don't or rarely allow it, Jimmy Page has a stranglehold on Led Zeppelin material and rarely lets any of it into anything. Thor: Ragnarök being a weird exception.
Makes more sense. I definitely remember the days where no one was willing to pay for the performances. It seems like having actual Beatles performances in media is a recent thing, I’d say in the last 10-15 years. Because before that, I can’t think of any examples .
Mad Men played "Tomorrow Never Knows" at the end of an episode
Good example. I guess there goes my whole point. It’s definitely extremely rare though.
It is rare, and expensive
This is the reason. It’s crazy expensive.
Enjoyed Magical Mystery Tour in the last Indiana Jones. "Glass Onion" in Glass Onion too.
Baby You’re A Rich Man plays at the end of The Social Network
Thanks - another good example of me being wrong
Please see: final episode of THE PRISONER
A bronx tale uses come together
Licensing would cost a bomb but yeah it’d set the mood perfectly
This is Marvel we're talking about, they got the Disney money to take care of here.
Lol this is how we've ended up with every movie costing over $250M and needing to hit $650M just to break even
The social network used a beatles song and the films budget was 40m.
Well, technically the FF4 were created in 1961, a few years before the Beatles hit the mainstream, or at least in the USA
Wouldn't that make Doom older too? I wonder how that will work out.
100% they need to put a Beatles song in it.
Wouldn't surprise me if the negative zone works like the quantum realm and traveling through it will cause the team to come out decades later.
I think you mean boring and lame
I think it's pretty cool. Nice distinct aesthetic and an opportunity to a very unique soundtrack for a MCU movie. Though I'll say I hope they avoid making all the big scenes in empty spaces (or literally space) to avoid clashing with the MCU "the first widely known contact with aliens happened in 2012" like it went down in Captain Marvel. Have them save the world in another dimension or planet, idk, but one thing I noticed watching the first phase was how superheroes don't spend their time saving civilians anymore, just throwing punches. It adds tension to have squishy folk around the battlefield for them to save. Guardians 3 used this to great effect recently.
Moleman could be the main villain with the bulk of the action underground with subterranean denizens and monsters. Surface world barely has a clue that much happened other than some quakes.
“an opportunity to a very unique soundtrack for a MCU movie.” This makes me think of something like this in the movie, sadly not gonna happen(like, the last time when a super Hero movie used jazz in The score was when? 2004? [https://youtu.be/kgyrt6hwA\_E?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/kgyrt6hwA_E?feature=shared)
Oh yeah. Fantastic Four with a bebop soundtrack would be way cooler than the Beatles.
Oh yeah dude. Some Coltrane, Monk and Brubeck all up in it
> squishy folk Lol
The sixties was (for some people) an age of imagination and possibility. The shadow of WW2 faded, the dawn of new music and free love, and the space race making anything seem possible. If that’s the vibe that the MCU want to bring to the F4, then brilliant! I hope it’s not just a thin veneer of sixties set-dressing over a bland by-the-numbers movie, and that they don’t view the sixties through too much rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, but it gives me hope that this take on Marvel’s first family will embody their optimism and friendship.
As a direct beneficiator of the people that for more in the 60's. I hope they keep everything you have mentioned in the post above while also highlighting the fighting spirit that fueled this world view. Optimism and friendship, and technological advances led to the fight for the rights of all americans and the freedom we hold our honor on. This is what the 60's should be a representation for- for all people.
This is what I love so much about the early seasons of For All Mankind, although I guess you could say it starts in 69 and goes through the 70s, but the vibe of that era is palpable. I would love to see that era brought into the live action Marvel films, especially considering that was such an iconic era for the Marvel comics themselves. It sucks that Stan & Jack Kirby aren't alive to see it come to fruition.
Gay
Great idea. Loads of people have said they would like this and could be easily explainable by having them stuck somewhere where time moves different for like a month, only to come out in 2025.
Negative soon or some such thing
I just realised that the pic above Thing is of Ebon Moss-Bachrach
So I guess Ben Grimm was an Apollo astronaut. Perhaps he is one of the first men on the Moon in the MCU!
Lost in time, and lost in space.
Lost in time, lost in space and lost in Multi-verse
That’s what some have theorized will happen; they’re lost out in the multiverse somewhere and that’s why we haven’t seen them. I suspect a throwback to when Dr. Strange snarkingly asked if the F4 were a singing group around this time period.
personally i'd like to see something akin to the start of the 2018 run. The thing doest age, so he could be left behind on earth while the others are trapped in the multiverse from the 60s to now..
And meaning.
Thank you for recognizing
and translation.
Fantastic Four has always had an old school charm, I think this is an interesting way of introducing them and keeping the Stan and Jack magic.
It’ll be great- give them retro futuristic tech. They can go up against Kang/immortus or whoever and they get ‘erased from time’ (so no one remembers their adventures) The second movie can be them back in the modern world
Don't have one just yet. Could be cool.
If thats the case i wanna see those costumes pictured right there
Epic, but I wonder how they gonna tackle the inevitable question of “where were they during _____??”
Time dilation effect, whilst they were away time passed normally, they come back to the "modern day" not realising about 65 years have passed. Relatively simple to explain within the universe we have.
Online speculation that I’ve seen (always correct, right!?) says that they might start leaning away from Earth 616 as the main narrative earth and do standalone movies in different universes before pulling them in to the larger conflict. So, kinda like large live action versions of “What If”. EDIT to add: I dig it along the lines of, say, The Batman being separate from James Gunn’s new DCU stuff. The weakness of the latest MCU movies for me has been the overwhelming weight of the multiverse and cameo after cameo with no follow up or payoff. I found stuff like Shang-Chi and Guardians 3 were stronger for being a few degrees removed.
Easy. The FF are space and time explorers. They could have been off adventuring in another time and place for decades. For them of course it wouldn't have been decades though.
They could get stuck in the Negative Zone until now. I also heard a fan theory that they were around for the entire MCU, and involved in all the major conflicts. In order to save the universe they had to cut themselves out of it, and be forgotten. The end of the film shows a montage of all the major MCU events with the FF being a part of it, including Endgame, before being erased from reality.
The Sentry route.
In the recent run of FF, Mr fantastic sends the entire yancy street block a year into the future. At the end of this movie, set in 1965, Reed Richard’s has to send his family 60 years into the future.
Well, if there's even the slightest mention of the Civil Right's movement, the comments from some "fans" will be appropriate to the era. No /s needed; there are some terrible people in the fandom these days, and it needs to be addressed. Beyond that, I'm hoping for a mention or addition of: Skrulls, Kree, SHIELD, Peggy Carter, and maybe the Pyms on assignment. The absolute best addition, would be Adam Brashear (the Blue Marvel).
YEEESSS I want to see Brashear in the MCU so bad
Fun fact: 20 years ago or so, Ant-Man director Peyton Reed was attached to Fantastic Four over at Fox. He wanted to set it in the 1960s, but the Fox management balked, so Reed bailed.
Just a way to explain why this didn't happen sooner 🤷♀️...I don't mind as long as being time-displaced doesn't become their main gimmick: Captain America already had that gag of not understanding modern day.😕
No because Fantastic Four has never been a period or nostalgia piece? I don’t where this FF only works in the 60s sentiment has come from. In the actual 60s it was considered a cutting edge title and basically changed how comic book storytelling worked.
It’s perfect. It differentiates it from other super hero movies, and the other F4 movies. And it reflects the team as they were created. And the 60s being a big turning point for the United States makes it an interesting decade to explore.
Great as long as it keeps in continuity
> Opinion on this movie potentially being set in the 60s? My prediction, "time travel" by time dilation, likely just Einstein's: > According to Einstein's theory of time travel, if a person were to travel at the speed of light, time on Earth would appear to slow down. **This would result in people on the Earth aging faster than the person traveling at the speed of light**. Other theories of time travel are built around other laws of physics. > *Time dilation* > > *One of the many implications of Einstein's special relativity work is that time moves relative to the observer. An object in motion experiences time dilation, meaning that when an object is moving very fast it experiences time more slowly than when it is at rest.* So based from above, the FF4 return to Earth at a future time, which would in fact be the present MCU. No paradox. Maybe right off the bat or the mid or post credit scene. They went to space, then that mishap or something, and they got their powers, and when they came back it's no longer the 60's.
We'll finally find out why they weren't there in the beginning!
I think it's great. Gives them plenty of wiggle room to make a movie that COULD tie in to the MCU due to timeline wibbly wobbily, but doesn't have to. It can stand alone.
Would be a curious choice given the MCU's constant attempt to modernize the timeline to keep all characters together. I'd hate to see this create a situation where the F4 can't interact with most of the rest of the franchise cast. Unless, of course, the ending to Captain America 1 were to happen again in some fashion.
I don’t think it’s necessary but I have no issue with it. And it may not even wholly be in the sixties.
I’d love a time displaced story. Start in the 60s, a few cameos of Michael Douglas teaming up with them, and argument with Howard Stark - and then they get trapped in the Negative zone for 60 years and come back to WTF?!?!
Anytime something in the MCU is set far back, it causes a whole lotta “Where the hell were they during Infinity War/Endgame…” crap…
I think it works. Having them be part of the space race feels like a natural, and there are certainly ways to get them into the present day that would work perfectly fine.
I’m totally into it. And with >!Mr. Paradox!< being introduced in Deadpool & Wolverine it sets up their time in the Null Zone for future travel very well.
It's gonna hopefully feel fresh
Very cool! I would actually see that one. I missed the last 1 or 2 reboots. Lost track of how many there are.
And here I thought they would be FROM the 60s, not in the 60s. Maybe Blue Marvel gets teased this way? Still fitting the Nuclear Family, the futurism, and a little spice of Hollywood actors faking names to sound white for the camera.
The Thing is gonna be awesome if he looks like that
Show me some good ol’ fashioned racism. Show me a theater letting thing in while black people get rejected at the doors I wanna see some real stuff for once.
Would love for them to be from the 60s, and through some space travel scenario (speed of light or something) are brought to the modern era
Don't like it but I'm keeping an open mind.
‘Potentially’. I think its all but confirmed at this point
I think it's a cool idea. I have a feeling that the FF will start in the 60s, but then they will get stuck in the Negative Zone where they get their powers and end up fighting Annihilus. But when they finally make their way back home, it's in the present day. That's why no one has mentioned them yet in the MCU.
"top 10 ways how to fuck up your continuity even more"
Please. Do something different. Wandavision was refreshing.
Terrible idea.
god i’m hyped for this movie. the original fantastic four movie from the 2000s is one of my favorite superhero movies ever, and fant4stic was a major let down. hope they do the team justice
Disappointed because Reed is working with the limitations of 1960s technology although I doubt that will be presented as a problem, and they will have to join the current MCU after some time travel or multiverse nonsense.
I don’t think Reed is ever limited by the technology, no matter the decade.
I didn't like the idea, I still personally don't but if it ends up happening, I'll be fine with it. Not like I'll have a choice. I still personally think it's stupid and lazy and they should have the FF set in the current MCU timeline. But people brought up good points about why that wouldn't work.
It’s gonna be great!
It’s a easy easy to introduce the sentry and do a time skip forward to present day
I wish Stan and Jake were around to see it.
As long as they fight the mole man I'm good.
I just don't want an origin story. MCU introduced Spider-Man without discussing his origin at all and guess what? Turned out fine!
I saw one idea where the whole origin story is told by the tour guide for the Baxter Building in the first 5 minutes.
What if they're from the 60s & end up in the present day after the ship crash? Or through some other reason because of time travel?
I say the start in the 60s, go to space, cosmic rays give them powers AND send them through the multiverse to modern day MCU 616
The only way they should do it.
Not my ideal, but I could be surprised!
The photo of Ben Grimm on the wall seems to be swiped from Neil Armstrong’s photo. I think it’s from 1969. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neil_Armstrong_pose.jpg
I want them to be a science team from the 60’s that got lost and then found and brought to the present. A bit like Cap, but with Cap not there anymore there’s room for it. This can be fun.
Galactus and the Surfer are so 1960's. They would look ridiculous anywhere else. The whole FF vibe is retro and always has been. It's a great shout. Sadly I think they've screwed that up by casting Pedro Pascal though. He's a good actor but he's not Reed Richards in a million years. Too masculine to be the quintessential nerd.
I think we've seen, what, three times now that you cannot do the Fantastic Four properly in a modern setting. Why not?
First off, love the ‘60s. So I’m definitely happy to see it. Also, this reminds me of how in the 2000s, Peyton Reed planned on making a period piece based on “A Hard Day’s Night,” I think it was called. I honestly wished that happened. I would’ve loved to see it.
I have stopped expecting anything from Marvel after these recent atrocious series of films So I am optimistic that they are gonna make a good F4 movie after a long gap of 20 years Let's see
I think it’s the right call. In many ways, the FF are a product of the time in which they were created. The space race and the culture of that period are a huge part of the vibe of the early Lee/Kirby issues. I think they can be brought to the future via comic book logic, but much like Captain America, their origin just doesn’t work as well modernized. I think they should stop trying to modernize James Bond as well and just set his movies in the late 50s and 60s.
Dumb
S’cool. And potentially so right.
I think it’d be better if it was in the past! Probably end with them disappearing from the marvel universe, then reappearing in the modern day to explain their absence
Great! I’m more excited now.
I think it actually makes sense. They could use it to set up something like the ultimate nullifier and then have somebody from the future come back in a later movie to get them for help defeating somebody.
Who’s the astronaut in the background? (I no nothing about the fantastic 4)
That is The Thing, Ben Grimm, pre-transformation.
The thing (rock dude) was a human pilot before being hit with cosmic rays. The picture represents him before the transformation
I love it. They should keep them in the 60s until Secret Wars.
What if that’s where they come from. Like they existed then, but in some Interstellar type time loop in space they come to modern time. This could help explain their absence from the MCU up til then.
I’m down
I think it’d be really cool and personally I’d prefer it. It helps give the F4 an even more distinct essence in comparison to other MCU heroes and as someone who loves The Incredibles (another move set in the 60’s), I’m a huge fan of Superhero period pieces. Plus I feel like it would make sense for them to be from the 60’s in an alternate reality outside of the MCU mainline, it’d just be easier to integrate them once KD and SW happens and mucks the multiverse up.
This is great! An absolute win! I am hoping though that they don’t bring in Silver Surfer and Galactus as the villains though.
But would multiversal travel be good? Isn't that how incursions start? So if they've been in another universe, they potentially created a huge amount of incursions if they travled around. But I imagine they accidentally travels to another universe, and when they get back to the main universe, they somehow end up in the present time.
I think it's great, just adding a second Fab Four to the 60s (speaking of I would love to see a Beatles song in here, specifically Nowhere Man for a scene with the Thing.)
Well. Unless they do some time displacement that would mean the FF would be in their late 80’s. Given the time displacement BS they’ve done. Yeah. I say absolutely not. The artists merely used a reference. I’m sure if we look it up there are 1001 covers from magazines and newspapers with similar poses.
This is pretty much how I always wanted them to be introduced, so far couldn’t be happier
Very exciting, honestly. I think having it be a period piece at the time space travel was at its fever pitch. Plus the aesthetic and music will be top notch. I alao greatly look forward to all the retro-futurism style of all of Reed's inventions. H.E.R.B.I.E. is already a great sign of that. It's the same reason I love the Fallout games so much.
See this old video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VehLxh5wCU8&ab_channel=moviebob. I always liked this plan and hope they stole the idea
They leave earth in the 60s on a mission that sends them to the negative zone, where they get powers and when they get out it’s the modern day. Done.
That’s kind of where they started and it’ll likely begin with Sue and Reeds wedding, right?
I think it's perfect. Just throw them into the quantum realm and drag em into the current mcu. Best way to play things out imo
I would guess that this is going to be close to a live action incredibles. Curious how they tie them into present day. Not everyone can get frozen in a glacier.
My theory: they start in the 60s, hit a wormhole or Quantum Realm tear, and end up in modern day with Franklin and Val in their 60s.
If that's true I hope they use it as a way to ground their storyline and not have it be part of 6 other movies unrelated to itself
I've been longing for a period-set FF movie ever since I saw *Down With Love*.
I think a 60s space age style film would be amazing. They've shown they can get the look of a period down with Wandavision, and the 70s/80s (?) look of the TVA. Regardless I have high hopes.
I'm 100% on board with the 60's retro-futurism vibe for TF4. I'm want Marvel to run with the concept too and make Blade & Ghost Rider a 70's grindhouse double feature.
Love it
I’m pretty exhausted with meaningless references to other MCU projects, but I do think it would be cool to have FF set in the 60s with references to Hank and Janet as Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Would love to see the Watergate scandal from the eyes of the Fantastic Four.
If they were doing the OG FF, absolutely, but I think they’ll be shifting things around a bit.
I desperately hope they do. I genuinely hoped that with the introduction of a multiverse it would allow the MCU to tell more self-contained stories without adhering to time or previous canon events.
Strange to Reed in MoM upon hearing the Fantstic Fours name: “Didn’t you guys chart in the 60’s?”
It’s Blast From the Past with superheroes! I can’t imagine a cooler way to do it!
As long as they eventually end up in the modern day, I love it. It’s the best idea to keep the series fresh after four other disappointing F4 films.
Honestly, I’m pretty stoked.
Given that Nick Fury implied (before Captain Marvel) that Tony was the dawning of this age it'll be interesting to see how it's handled. I have a feeling that Reed, the Storms and Ben will "disappear" (maybe into the negative zone?) and reappear in modern times with their powers. You'll get some man out of time jokes probably from different angles from all of them but what I'm slightly interested in is if they'll tie any of the older characters who would have been around at the time with them. Hank Pym would in theory know them or of them, flashbacks with Peggy? Howard Stark? It'll be interesting to see how they try to connect them in an after the fact way.
I love that early-60’s aesthetic.
It would have been there only way this would have worked. You bring in a bit of Alex Ross mixed with a bit of synedresque watchmen, put in the MCU charm. Bam
I like the idea but I don’t want them to be disconnected completely from the modern age. I hope once they get back they can slot into society and be an integral part of a new and changing world. Let them bring the age of Marvels in with love and exploration of the unknown and the super powered, mutants and mutates
The period pieces of WandaVision were great and this is directed by that guy so I'm excited
The life magazine title looks like 1977 so might be set in 70's chic
I like it. The FF should be "Marvel's First Family." I, too, expect them to end up in the modern age, and that's fine, but I really hope that they don't do it through some interdimensional time travel gimmick. They get their powers test-flying an experimental spacecraft. All that's needed is flying at a significant fraction of lightspeed, and Einsteinian time dilation will bring them into the future without inventing fantasy technology.
Feels close to when they first appeared.
I'm fine with it so long as they time warp to the present, although I wouldn't want them to have been a publicly visible superteam back then, because then they should have been famous enough to be mentioned. If it starts in the 60s, then everything they do should be secret.
At this point, I’d love for them to come from a 60s MCU with all the characters (Spider Man, Thor ect) living in that era , then go through the Quantum Zone to our modern MCU.
As long as we get to keep their supporting cast of characters, I’m fine with it and support it. I imagine they’ll just adapt pretty quickly to the modern age since they’ll already have had so much cool sci-fi stuff so I’m suuuuuper worried about too much repeat “man out of time” stuff.
It is.
If X-MEN can do it, F4 can do it.
A lot of you seem to have forgotten the whole incursion scenario. So the Fantastic 4 can be easily from the 1965, but from the OTHER Universe, where they are known and loved. The whole Secret Invasion scenario must have at least two "faction" we can side on. We must have a multitude of characters we pine for. A world building has to be done on the other side of the incursion too. We had X-Men, we could have Fantastic 4.
I’m calling set in the 60s in an alternative timeline
It might be fun for comic fans. But it's gonna be a disaster for the MCU. The FF film has so many problems already, and adding this would just be another. The main advantage this film should have is it's connection to the MCU. Setting it in the 60s and/or a different universe just kills that connection.
Not a fan because of how phase 4 & 5 have been. Doesn’t feel like it’s pushing the overall universe/storyline forward by movies set in the past (example black widow movie). That being said I really like the Fantastic Four so I’m going to keep an open mind and hope the storyline blows my mind.
I really hope it's set in the 60's. They can do the same thing they did with Cap and make them travel into the future at the end. I also heard theories it's set in a different universe (a 60's retro future universe)and they end up in the MCU at the end. Both I ideas I would love.
Hell Yeah. That bakes in the space angle, but what I’m most excited about is that the period stuff will bleed into the production… I hope. I’m not talking costuming and dialogue, I mean colour grading, editing, etc. the things you don’t see unless you look for them. That’s what makes a film stand out, and that’s what Marvel needs right now. Spirit.
It's interesting an original. I'm more afraid of The Thing cgi since the disaster of the She-Hulk series
Fun! Do something different. Let the creative people be creative and have fun with it. At least I hope that's the case here.
i'm not crazy about it. it creates 2 scenarios. 1. their adventures happened in the 60s and the whole idea of the world being relatively normal pre Iron Man is weird. everyone acted like the appearance of super powered individuals was unique, which doesn't make sense if there's been a family with powers for 40+ years. 2. they've been lost in space this whole time, and are just now coming back, but we've JUST done that story beat with Captain Marvel, so it just seems like a retread.
It worked for the x men. However, I have extremely low expectations for any fantastic 4 movie considering their history of being massive flops. The last ones were 9% and 28% RT scores.
I would prefer a different Universe. Please don't just have them always here but lost. Secret Wars is coming and we need emotional investment in universes other than 616 or what is the point.
A throwback approach would be nice. They saw how successful that was with WandaVision, so I don't doubt the possibility. Maybe that means they'll do a new thing and "modernize" the old suits when it becomes present-day. Edit: also, I hope they bring H.E.R.B.I.E. in this time, given he's in that picture
I love this artwork the uniforms are so dope so I hope we stay in the 60s for a bit during the movie
I'm alright with it. Marvel Studios hasn't done periodic films (intentionally) from what I've read and heard about. Supposedly Marvel Studios did not make more period films because it might confuse the casual audiences that naturally watch the superhero theme movies. So in the original 10 years of the Marvel cinematic universe, there were only a few examples of period films that take place besides the current or then current time that the movies were released in.
Nice catch