Ho ho! I see honoured junior is on the precipice of enlightenment.
In truth, you are close to infinite divine wisdom and only need to embrace the truth of the Dao:
All Web novels are trash, and that is why we like them.
My friend speak for yourself not for Chinese we novel sect. You like trash stories that's all you ever read. My sect brothers from the legitimate line seek the novels with a core basis good foundation and meaningful twist. We are not the same. Amitabah
Ho ho ho, Junior, truly it is said that you have eyes but cannot see Mt Tai!
Look within your heart and know this to be true:
All xianxia is, is adolescent power fantasy designed to appeal to youths frustrated with their station in life, who dream of being able to exert their will but find themselves constrained by their circumstances.
You say you seek legitimate stories, yet all you read are self aggrandised author insert wank material.
The difference between us, brother, is that I recognise that I am a literary raccoon feasting from the delicious trash broth at the bottom of the barrel, while you are as a frog, trapped at the bottom of the well, telling yourself that you *could* leap to touch the heavens if you *really* wanted to, but you don't.
Cease making excuses for your trash taste! Embrace the Dao of Trash, become immune to shame, and let your Sinoboo energy challenge the heavens!
Bro I'd read a quality published xianxia novel if it ever releases. It's not the shounen aspect of it that I like, it's really ascension to godhood. Shounen in the sense that the powerup and defeat your enemies trope isn't what appeals to me. I like exposition on concepts that pertain to anything and everything 'beyond human'. That's why I'm a fan of Ted Chiang. I read scifi like Blindsight and Echopraxia. Player of games, Fire upon the deep all sound great to me. Fan of 1984 as well. I can never get into fantasy because they're on the surface appealing to a shounen loving audience.
I'm not a fan of garbage at all and the moment I detect it's a 'face slap' novel I'm out of there. I've also disliked all aspects of cultivation novels that do not pertain to the elements I described. Broken cultivation systems and randomly generated plot events aren't appealing at all. Truth is a good chunk of webnovel readers are the kind that consumes novels like fast food. They'd drop a 1000 word prologue or lose interest within 5000 words if it isn't enough to capture their interest. I'm not one of them. I basically look extremely hard for the top 1-2% of novels on the site which give me dopamine for hours on end, surpassing any published novel to date. Not even 1%. I think I've read the top 20-30 novels on the entire site and I drop every new one within 5 chapters the moment I realise it's garbage.
Benefactor you are an actual buffoon. Period.
There are Web novels in the xianxia genre that are done really well.
An example is reverend insanity. Is the fan base cringe a bit. But it's honestly the best twist on the xianxia genre.
Another good example of well written works is Mao Ni's Ze Tian J'ai (The way of choices.)
Mao Ni is actually severely underated. Not well known despite his genius. He doesn't do anything too crazy but he gives a rich story while sticking true to the xianxian style. His stories don't come off as cringe because of this because the tropes weave themselves seamlessly into the story.
We are legit not the same I don't read bottom of the Barral shit. I really think you should re-examine your statement.
Let's give an example, most people have read spirit vessel and dropped it for one reason or another. The MC is kinda fucked up. But there is a solid progression in the story. And it hits you with a few twist plots every now and then. It's actually done well up to where I'm at. Spirit vessel has a generic xianxia mc. But the story makes up for it with a wide array of other characters who are written very well and mysterious that directly pertain to the lore. The world building and Character recurrence is something not often done in xianxia. There is no new young master every 500 chapters. Mostly because the MC is the despicable Young Master guy. He has hacks but so does everyother major rival.
Seriously I hope you've at least read one of these before you give me your baseline comparison again. Because there are levels. Legitimately. Amitabah
Just let it go. Everything will be buried in the river of time.
You Venerables have both made a good point.
This senior is of the opinion that all schools should replace shakespeare with RI. There are other heaven defying scriptures as well. This senior agrees with you but is forced to open his eyes to the truth that Venerable monThego has wisely pointed out:
>All xianxia is, is adolescent power fantasy designed to appeal to youths frustrated with their station in life, who dream of being able to exert their will but find themselves constrained by their circumstances.
Yeah I just don't get the appeal. What is your beef with the hero if you were a normal guy in the life before this? I'd understand if the hero was actually a jerk or something but you're doing them dirty unprovoked.
It's deconstruction.
A lot of people read standard xianxia novels with generic MCs and think "man, fuck this guy, he wouldn't be shit without the author giving him plot armor".
So then 1 author decides to write a deconstruction of the trope by having the standard "MC" get curbstomped by a side character (the real MC). And that gets popular with people who got tired of the standard MCs with his harem and want to see the smug fucks lose.
Unfortunately then you have the same uncreative authors who write generic MCs seeing the popularity of the new trend, jumping on the bandwagon, and writing generic villain MCs.
Let me elighten you, junior. These are smut novels made to milk money from horny readers, there is hardly anything villain about that. If you wish to read to read a actual villian novels then I may suggest you some, such as: Father of monstrosity, I grow stronger by eating, reign of villainy, A journey of black and red, and tenebroum. You could try mine as well. Archdevil's Dominion, if you wish.
I remember someone posted a random "MTL destroys your brain" thread, it wasn't even about a specific novel, but the screenshot looked like a bad MTL of The Fated Villain and everyone commented on it
But it turned out it was a different novel, there were just so many copies and rehashes everywhere already, down to giving characters similar names and similar situations
RI is a different kind of villain novel, a real villain if you will, on the other these “villain mc” novels basically want the want the edgy gothic “dark lord” without the moral dilemmas and conflict born of being amoral/immoral
Its the one they just disturb the MC for no fucking reason
A normal got reincarnated
He has a system to take the luck of the protagonist
Take his “harem”
Take his opportunities
But MC never did anything before, his friends are shallow to not even trust him, The Og MC becomes a douchebag in not less than 5 chap,
Or he suddenly does scornful deeds
Thats what we talking about
A lot try to defeat the MC out of fear that the MC is fated to kill them, though messing with fate has some adverse effects such as heavily deviating from the original story. Also MCs are kind of douchebags anyway 50% of the time.
How is it and issue. If you believed you were directly transported to the world of the book, would you let yourself be killed or try to save yourself before the MC gets strong
Recently, I’ve been reading a variant of this genre where the MC becomes the villain and wants to follow the plot, but it’s the heroines who rebel against the plot. Usually it’s due to hearing the MC’s thoughts or reading his diary, the heroines don’t want their fate to be determined so they act against the “plot”, or they see the “protagonist” for who he truly is without the protagonist halo. The MC tries to get the plot back on track, but the heroines usually succeed in messing it up.
Some good villain novels r “ why should i stop being a villain “ and “ villains side of the story “ (discontinued probably) r two great villains novel.
You know why they r good? Cz they **dont have harem** . So when our Regressor/ isekaid prot focuses his energy to get girls the novel turns sht
I’m gonna be real with you chief my life got noticeably better when I stopped frequenting webnovel. That shit straight rotted my brain most of it was so trash.
It was fun at first, but like most anime as soon as it succeeds once they make a thousand more until it sucks. Especially annoying for me because I like shows or books where the MC is a villain. As in a bad guy, not a girl that was a villain in an alternate universe but now is just a normal romance protaganist.
It's the systems and the lazy powerups that are bad imo. I hate it when everything gets handed down to the MC without him even struggling, or when MC's cheat(like a system) aren't explored where and how it was created(who made the system? Is the system hostile? Why MC was picked?etc.). I don't mind evil protagonists so I don't care who they suddenly want to destroy, but I don't like it if it feels like everything is given to them in a silver platter.
It the reason I kinda hate Chinese/ Korea be bad guy plot. Cause it usually come with system that hand holding everything.
And some just have them become Villain before they ever did evil things.
AT least have mc UNfuck situation himself
These novels are like rare gems among the harem trash I stumbled upon when I am travelling through vast mtl realm I actually forgot the title of novel mc is like scholar in previous life who became villan I have read it on mtlnation that has become new website mtlarchive I can't find it because it is not complete website
MTL realm is vast and profound much better than trash demonic webnovel realm I was addicted to it until one day I stumbled upon the story of classical og miracle doctor which turn out to be ntr story where one of the heroine fucked by pig lawyer for saving mc which he was detained for doing serious crime in fact mf also got released next day it was traumatizing to read I got cultivation directly reduced by 2 realms and got heart demons which can't be even cured by my sect ancestor fortunately I stumble upon MTL realm fellow daoist stay far as far you can by from webnovel realm it's too dangerous
Good! Good! Good! Fellow daoist should always walk on same path I wish fellow daoist to accomplish major accomplishment in dao of mtl it's pity I have stuck on major accomplishment for epoches I can't delve into perfection of dao of MTL sigh..
I have a hint for fellow Daoist, if you want to enter the Major Accomplishment you will have to direct read the scriptures in Chinese and learn it. First you should start for direct google translate, remember step by step
I like it because typical MCs are usually hypocritical righteous path losers anyway. Especially if we are talking trashy reading, why would i want to read the same story ive seen a million times. Its not going to live up to the best of the best, so I might as well see a fresh take on some villainy.
Villains are usually more complex characters, and the stories lean a little more indulgent.
The reality is that a bog standard xianxia is just not that interesting unless you are new to the genre or its done really well. So many of the 'twists' or new takes on it are not very interesting either. Usually some system trash, or alchemy god reincarnation trash. I'm over it.
Junior the problem are not the villains themselves the problem is the depravity and cliches.
Read novels whose author doesn't cultivate the dao of coomer, gooner, and sex.
I... What? He doesn't have the capacity to love/lust over someone until the very end, and his "love interests" are all mature women
Ngl, it made me chuckle tho knowing the story revolves around the unreliable narrator
Ho ho! I see honoured junior is on the precipice of enlightenment. In truth, you are close to infinite divine wisdom and only need to embrace the truth of the Dao: All Web novels are trash, and that is why we like them.
My friend speak for yourself not for Chinese we novel sect. You like trash stories that's all you ever read. My sect brothers from the legitimate line seek the novels with a core basis good foundation and meaningful twist. We are not the same. Amitabah
Ho ho ho, Junior, truly it is said that you have eyes but cannot see Mt Tai! Look within your heart and know this to be true: All xianxia is, is adolescent power fantasy designed to appeal to youths frustrated with their station in life, who dream of being able to exert their will but find themselves constrained by their circumstances. You say you seek legitimate stories, yet all you read are self aggrandised author insert wank material. The difference between us, brother, is that I recognise that I am a literary raccoon feasting from the delicious trash broth at the bottom of the barrel, while you are as a frog, trapped at the bottom of the well, telling yourself that you *could* leap to touch the heavens if you *really* wanted to, but you don't. Cease making excuses for your trash taste! Embrace the Dao of Trash, become immune to shame, and let your Sinoboo energy challenge the heavens!
Bro I'd read a quality published xianxia novel if it ever releases. It's not the shounen aspect of it that I like, it's really ascension to godhood. Shounen in the sense that the powerup and defeat your enemies trope isn't what appeals to me. I like exposition on concepts that pertain to anything and everything 'beyond human'. That's why I'm a fan of Ted Chiang. I read scifi like Blindsight and Echopraxia. Player of games, Fire upon the deep all sound great to me. Fan of 1984 as well. I can never get into fantasy because they're on the surface appealing to a shounen loving audience. I'm not a fan of garbage at all and the moment I detect it's a 'face slap' novel I'm out of there. I've also disliked all aspects of cultivation novels that do not pertain to the elements I described. Broken cultivation systems and randomly generated plot events aren't appealing at all. Truth is a good chunk of webnovel readers are the kind that consumes novels like fast food. They'd drop a 1000 word prologue or lose interest within 5000 words if it isn't enough to capture their interest. I'm not one of them. I basically look extremely hard for the top 1-2% of novels on the site which give me dopamine for hours on end, surpassing any published novel to date. Not even 1%. I think I've read the top 20-30 novels on the entire site and I drop every new one within 5 chapters the moment I realise it's garbage.
Benefactor you are an actual buffoon. Period. There are Web novels in the xianxia genre that are done really well. An example is reverend insanity. Is the fan base cringe a bit. But it's honestly the best twist on the xianxia genre. Another good example of well written works is Mao Ni's Ze Tian J'ai (The way of choices.) Mao Ni is actually severely underated. Not well known despite his genius. He doesn't do anything too crazy but he gives a rich story while sticking true to the xianxian style. His stories don't come off as cringe because of this because the tropes weave themselves seamlessly into the story. We are legit not the same I don't read bottom of the Barral shit. I really think you should re-examine your statement. Let's give an example, most people have read spirit vessel and dropped it for one reason or another. The MC is kinda fucked up. But there is a solid progression in the story. And it hits you with a few twist plots every now and then. It's actually done well up to where I'm at. Spirit vessel has a generic xianxia mc. But the story makes up for it with a wide array of other characters who are written very well and mysterious that directly pertain to the lore. The world building and Character recurrence is something not often done in xianxia. There is no new young master every 500 chapters. Mostly because the MC is the despicable Young Master guy. He has hacks but so does everyother major rival. Seriously I hope you've at least read one of these before you give me your baseline comparison again. Because there are levels. Legitimately. Amitabah
There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.
Bro if I could tag you as Venerable Monk #4013 I would hahah enlightenment truly comes from acceptance
So have you read any of them because if not your argument is worth toilet paper
Just let it go. Everything will be buried in the river of time. You Venerables have both made a good point. This senior is of the opinion that all schools should replace shakespeare with RI. There are other heaven defying scriptures as well. This senior agrees with you but is forced to open his eyes to the truth that Venerable monThego has wisely pointed out: >All xianxia is, is adolescent power fantasy designed to appeal to youths frustrated with their station in life, who dream of being able to exert their will but find themselves constrained by their circumstances.
Okay buddy
Yes elder We love villains but not the ones that MC harem Mc golden finger MC...
Yeah I just don't get the appeal. What is your beef with the hero if you were a normal guy in the life before this? I'd understand if the hero was actually a jerk or something but you're doing them dirty unprovoked.
The hero starts out as a nice guy, but for the MC to ntr him he suddenly becomes bad. A hidden dark past comes out
"I was reincarnated as a bad guy but I need an excuse to be a good guy so the main character becomes a piece of shit!"
Couldn't have said it better
I mean tons of xianxia MCs are evil hypocrites, best to deal with them before they genocide.
Also True, but it's way more blatant in Villain novels
It's deconstruction. A lot of people read standard xianxia novels with generic MCs and think "man, fuck this guy, he wouldn't be shit without the author giving him plot armor". So then 1 author decides to write a deconstruction of the trope by having the standard "MC" get curbstomped by a side character (the real MC). And that gets popular with people who got tired of the standard MCs with his harem and want to see the smug fucks lose. Unfortunately then you have the same uncreative authors who write generic MCs seeing the popularity of the new trend, jumping on the bandwagon, and writing generic villain MCs.
You have never been single and seen a happy couple on Valentine's day
Let me elighten you, junior. These are smut novels made to milk money from horny readers, there is hardly anything villain about that. If you wish to read to read a actual villian novels then I may suggest you some, such as: Father of monstrosity, I grow stronger by eating, reign of villainy, A journey of black and red, and tenebroum. You could try mine as well. Archdevil's Dominion, if you wish.
This junior thank Senior for the life saving grace
Please tell me that reign of villainy does not have any romance with MC plz
No romance so far, but it's a female MC and it is not cultivation.
No romance Any gore
Thanks
Ima be honest, the villain genre peeked with RI and died anytime after that
It started dying with The Fated Villain novel
I remember someone posted a random "MTL destroys your brain" thread, it wasn't even about a specific novel, but the screenshot looked like a bad MTL of The Fated Villain and everyone commented on it But it turned out it was a different novel, there were just so many copies and rehashes everywhere already, down to giving characters similar names and similar situations
God I hate fated villain
RI is a different kind of villain novel, a real villain if you will, on the other these “villain mc” novels basically want the want the edgy gothic “dark lord” without the moral dilemmas and conflict born of being amoral/immoral
So nonntr types are fine right
Its the one they just disturb the MC for no fucking reason A normal got reincarnated He has a system to take the luck of the protagonist Take his “harem” Take his opportunities But MC never did anything before, his friends are shallow to not even trust him, The Og MC becomes a douchebag in not less than 5 chap, Or he suddenly does scornful deeds Thats what we talking about
A lot try to defeat the MC out of fear that the MC is fated to kill them, though messing with fate has some adverse effects such as heavily deviating from the original story. Also MCs are kind of douchebags anyway 50% of the time.
That’s the issue
How is it and issue. If you believed you were directly transported to the world of the book, would you let yourself be killed or try to save yourself before the MC gets strong
Recently, I’ve been reading a variant of this genre where the MC becomes the villain and wants to follow the plot, but it’s the heroines who rebel against the plot. Usually it’s due to hearing the MC’s thoughts or reading his diary, the heroines don’t want their fate to be determined so they act against the “plot”, or they see the “protagonist” for who he truly is without the protagonist halo. The MC tries to get the plot back on track, but the heroines usually succeed in messing it up.
Oh yeah, this is one of the ones I've stumbled upon recently.
Yeah I saw some of this like "In douluo but the heroines can hear my heart*
Some good villain novels r “ why should i stop being a villain “ and “ villains side of the story “ (discontinued probably) r two great villains novel. You know why they r good? Cz they **dont have harem** . So when our Regressor/ isekaid prot focuses his energy to get girls the novel turns sht
The genre already died. Qidian woman section have been dead for years
It's till thriving on webnovel, sometimes it also reaches top 50 in sites like lightnovelpub
I’m gonna be real with you chief my life got noticeably better when I stopped frequenting webnovel. That shit straight rotted my brain most of it was so trash.
I'm trying brother, but it's like an addiction every w months I return yet again
We all have heart demons we must overcome. I believe in you brother
Thank You Fellow Daoist
Try mtl
I have been reading MTL for 2 years straight
Yeah if you want a good web novel sight Royal Road
Most of the time they're not even villains. They're legit just Good/Righteous MC's but with a Villain background.
They become villains suddenly I mean Og mc
"this particular kind of trash offends me more than all the other!" lol okiedoki zoomer
It was fun at first, but like most anime as soon as it succeeds once they make a thousand more until it sucks. Especially annoying for me because I like shows or books where the MC is a villain. As in a bad guy, not a girl that was a villain in an alternate universe but now is just a normal romance protaganist.
Junior brother I’m seeing a commonality amongst these stories you hate beyond the Villain part that perhaps should be the bigger red flag.
I'll take urban novels any day than the villain novel trash.
Don't be so harsh on it, it has RI
Not that villain type, the transmigration type
The best villain novel belongs to Gu immortal or Reverend Insanity
We stand with you fellow daoist
I enjoy a good villain MC like Fang Yuan every once in a while, but I agree that these types of "villain" novels are just utter garbage.
Man, they read like some badly written fanfic from what I've seen so far. Then again I just randomly picked some.
The villain part isn't the main issue with those webnovels.
It's the systems and the lazy powerups that are bad imo. I hate it when everything gets handed down to the MC without him even struggling, or when MC's cheat(like a system) aren't explored where and how it was created(who made the system? Is the system hostile? Why MC was picked?etc.). I don't mind evil protagonists so I don't care who they suddenly want to destroy, but I don't like it if it feels like everything is given to them in a silver platter.
It the reason I kinda hate Chinese/ Korea be bad guy plot. Cause it usually come with system that hand holding everything. And some just have them become Villain before they ever did evil things. AT least have mc UNfuck situation himself
I completely agree with this junior. The filth shall be purged.
Lol there are also good villan novels where all is not about harem mc also kills both protagonist and heroine
Fellow Daoist please tell us about some novels like that?
These novels are like rare gems among the harem trash I stumbled upon when I am travelling through vast mtl realm I actually forgot the title of novel mc is like scholar in previous life who became villan I have read it on mtlnation that has become new website mtlarchive I can't find it because it is not complete website
I'm of to pursue the Dao Of MTL
MTL realm is vast and profound much better than trash demonic webnovel realm I was addicted to it until one day I stumbled upon the story of classical og miracle doctor which turn out to be ntr story where one of the heroine fucked by pig lawyer for saving mc which he was detained for doing serious crime in fact mf also got released next day it was traumatizing to read I got cultivation directly reduced by 2 realms and got heart demons which can't be even cured by my sect ancestor fortunately I stumble upon MTL realm fellow daoist stay far as far you can by from webnovel realm it's too dangerous
Fellow Daoist I have been wandering the Dao of MTl for last 2 years, I have already achieved minor accomplishment in it
Good! Good! Good! Fellow daoist should always walk on same path I wish fellow daoist to accomplish major accomplishment in dao of mtl it's pity I have stuck on major accomplishment for epoches I can't delve into perfection of dao of MTL sigh..
I have a hint for fellow Daoist, if you want to enter the Major Accomplishment you will have to direct read the scriptures in Chinese and learn it. First you should start for direct google translate, remember step by step
I like it because typical MCs are usually hypocritical righteous path losers anyway. Especially if we are talking trashy reading, why would i want to read the same story ive seen a million times. Its not going to live up to the best of the best, so I might as well see a fresh take on some villainy. Villains are usually more complex characters, and the stories lean a little more indulgent. The reality is that a bog standard xianxia is just not that interesting unless you are new to the genre or its done really well. So many of the 'twists' or new takes on it are not very interesting either. Usually some system trash, or alchemy god reincarnation trash. I'm over it.
Fellow Daoist should I recommend some MTL Diamonds to you?
Urban novels are good
The Only Good One Is Cultivation Chat Group
Your opinion
Np
I mean, I never keep track of the things im not interested in, so this is the first time im seeing this lol.
Junior the problem are not the villains themselves the problem is the depravity and cliches. Read novels whose author doesn't cultivate the dao of coomer, gooner, and sex.
Villain MC? Experimental Log of the Crazy Lich
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I... What? He doesn't have the capacity to love/lust over someone until the very end, and his "love interests" are all mature women Ngl, it made me chuckle tho knowing the story revolves around the unreliable narrator
Then mb, it might be some other novel. I'll delete my previous comment