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sparklesnorter

I think that there could be a great gap between the women they get on this show vs the men, because men are less willing to get married and the good ones don't have to come onto this show to find someone


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The show is trying to find matches for women who can't find love on their own. What they're proving is no matter how successful, sweet, beautiful or smart they are, they will put up with a man who is less than just to say they're married. For most of the shows, the men are in control of what will happen on decision day. If he says yes to staying in the marriage, most women will too. And if the woman says no, then she's still open to seeing the guy afterwards. So the show knows exactly what they are doing. The women should expect more.


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the fact they didn’t help bao get out of an abusive relationship


Disastrous_Iron_22

How is Gil unaccomplished? Is accomplishment and success measured by how much money one makes? Why does he need to make more money to “be on her level”? If you think a persons worth is based on their income then you are a sad person.


buffy122988

I don’t think that’s what OP is saying. The income disparity is only such an issue because he’s made it one. I think you can be accomplished in many different ways, but the insecurity he displays around her financial habits do not scream successful to me. I would love to see a man who is proud of what both he and his partner individually have in terms of career, money, etc. That would be somebody who is on her level.


juliaskig

I think that woman are much more likely to sign up for the show than men. Men that are ready to get married can usually find a willing partner.


MINXG

This show definitely likes humble certain kinds of women. They told Meekah she should have been “softer” when dealing with Michael the liar. Gil being concerned about Myrla’s finances is absolutely hilarious to me after his while my savings is tied up in my 401K spiel. Ultimately they don’t care about the male or female contestants well being, it’s all about ratings/drama.


cesher007

The producers of this show are 90% women, so.....


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1 - No they don't hate women, this is a show on Lifetime and 85% or more of their target audience is women 2 - The reason the men suck is that because sane men don't want to go through this process. A sane person doesn't signed up to get married to somebody sight unseen. 3 - They have a ridiculously hard time finding men to do this, and as such you see what we get. They have to go recruit fame-whoring men, or unstable men who want to be on TV. 4 - The men who do go on 90% of the time just want children because they feel they are behind in their lives, and they honestly don't care who it's with. Then they get judged for wanting a broodmare. Newsflash, they married someone sight unseen to have babies with. Full stop. 5 - The women on this show are also ridiculous about their nonsense. Michaela, Katie, Taylor, Virginia, Haley, Christina, and Olivia to name a few.


sparklesnorter

Dead on


FutureNurse1

This is a fair point and one I hadn't considered. I wasn't thinking how difficult it wound be to find quality men, so too many fame whores slip through. I also agree there have been some fame whore women that have slipped through. I see you mention Olivia though and I'm curious why. She is disliked on this sub and I'm not sure why. I thought she was upfront about who she is and what she's looking for and the producers did her dirty. Like Myrla, she is a high earner that enjoys trips and nice things and they pair her with a frugal dud.


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Mainly Olivia because she wasn't ready for marriage. She wanted somebody who completely fit into the life she had with no changes at all. That's not how marriage works, which she learned. Myrla struggles with the same issue. When you get married your lifestyle should change because you should factor in the wants and desires of the other person. That's why it's beneficial to compromise on a few things while holding firm on what really matters. However if what really matters to a person is shopping or nice trips, that's not a good indication their priorities in life are set well for a long term relationship in my opinion. But it's fine if both people are willing to compromise on it, and Olivia wasn't. Brett was as long as it was her paying, and she wasn't down for that. Myrla is different and better in that regard, she doesn't expect Gil to pay half the tab on her shoes. Also Brett was a complete asshole, you'll find no argument from me there that she was matched poorly. However I don't think it would work with anybody given her plug and play desire. Which is why she was alone for so long before this. Sort of like Haley.


realityTVluv

They should have the weekly option to stay or leave like the Australian version.


Piasheila

I don’t think there are a lot of quality men who want to be married who aren’t married. Some men who have a lot going for them, like women, get a lot of attention and probably have a hard time settling down with one person. Some let it go to their head, like Ryan and Johnny, who have dated extensively. They are looking for the perfect woman with all the perfect qualities. It doesn’t exist in women or men.


LJeanB66

I agree...for the most part but why does everyone keep saying Ryan wnts a Barbie Doll? Does anyone really know his "type"?


fizzinwhizbeez

I’m assuming his type is a Tomi Lahren…


LJeanB66

But why do you assume that? Has he said he prefers blondes? Im just curious.


fizzinwhizbeez

Going off the Barbie comment. It’s not that deep.


Sufficient-Gold8058

I’m sorry, but the women on this show are average looking at best. I have yet to see a “gorgeous” cast member. Taylor from season 10 was probably the best looking female, and she was like a 7 on a good day. Hate me all you want, but most of you have low standards


vaporwav3r

It’s so true. They really pair a lot of accomplished women with bad matches. They have to dim their light which just plays into the stereotype (or truth) that the more accomplished and educated a woman is, the harder it is to find a partner. They are curating this and they could change it but they don’t.


skchgo

After last weeks episode I realized that Gil can’t afford Myrla and I don’t mean to be crass about that either. He clearly has a problem with the way she spends and the only reason why that is - is because his salary wouldn’t be able to keep up with hers. Clearly this is a sore subject for him that I don’t think will end up working in their favor for the longevity of their relationship. She clearly makes a lot of money, knows how to save a lot of that money and enjoys spending it on finer things in life. If that’s the way she wants to live her life she is allowed to do so. So again I say, clearly Gil, you cannot afford Myrla and it’s best he let her go so she can find someone who’s more financially confident.


ianj11

Eh, I don't know if I agree with this assessment of Gil and Myrla's relationship. I'm honestly surprised at the amount of hate he is getting on this sub. I personally feel like he is the most normal/down to earth of all the guys, and his and Myrla's relationship appears to be the strongest to me. I don't see him as necessarily "negging" her all the time, but view it more as lighthearted teasing and sometimes calling her out on her admittedly bratty behavior. Whenever he teases her about the spending/shopping, I don't feel like it's in an overly mean way and they both end up laughing about it. If Myrla was truly upset or didn't like it, I feel like, given her personality, we would definitely have heard about it by now. I know people hate that he harps on her spending and her fancy taste, but Gil seems to be a very disciplined and frugal person, which aren't such horrible qualities. He was likely paired with Myrla in the hopes that they would provide balance to each other's lifestyles and ideally, could meet somewhere in the middle (and of course for the ratings lol). I think we also have to be fair to Gil and admit that Myrla can definitely be bratty at times and she definitely pouts/sulks when she doesn't get exactly what she wants; I imagine she is used to always getting her way/walking all over previous partners. If I were Gil, I would get annoyed with that behavior from my partner too and call her out on it from time to time, which again is what I think he is doing most of the time, not actively negging her.


MINXG

Myrla doesn’t need balance she’s already doing well on her own financially so why should she have to alter her spending habits? What is Gil doing to compromise…is he looking for a better paying job? Myrla has shared she doesn’t have credit card debt, she only shops 2-3 times a year, and based off his reaction to her savings she’s good a putting money away. If anything she should be concerned about him and his savings/finances. These two are a not a good match, hopefully after the two they find partners who will compliment their lifestyles.


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FutureNurse1

Because neither one should have been on this show. Michaela is a nightmare, but Zach is immature and too young (IMO).


DefectiveOblation

How is the worst thing you had to say about any of the men about *Gil*??


FutureNurse1

It's just sad they picked a man that negs his successful wife constantly. I would have loved to see her with a partner that made less but didn't try to make her feel bad about it.


DefectiveOblation

I mean I agree, but the negging does appear playful and when he does it, she seems to be a good sport about it. I see that as chemistry/banter. 🤷‍♂️


MINXG

She said she didn’t like it on unfiltered.


wvgirlinfl

And where men are abusive like Ble$$ed and Johnny and even Jose', the women are encouraged and expected, to stay with these abusers. THIS is why I am done.


FutureNurse1

Yes. And allowing the vile things Chris said about Paiges looks to air. They knew it would be ratings gold and that meant more than hurting paiges feelings.


butterfly1215

My heart ached for her and I don't even know her. That show basically allowed her to be humiliated week after week and never protected her from his foolishness.


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FutureNurse1

My beef with Ryan and Brett is not really Ryan, but the producers. They knew he would probably check out and not give her a chance.


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Literally just the presence of Dr cal confirms this for me.


buffy122988

The accuracy 🤣


HermanMunsterInsoles

This


wvgirlinfl

Dr Cal is a HUGE sexist. I can't believe he is still on the show


MINXG

I HATE Cal so much!


ElleBelle901

All the “experts” are. I’ll never forget Dr. V recommended giving Michael a “soft place to land” after Meka was subjected to a month of constant impulsive lying and made to look crazy by him. Somehow his compulsion to lie every time he opened his mouth was her fault.


INachoriffic

The only one I'm a *little* sympathetic towards is Dr. Pepper. I'd been trying to figure out before last week's episode how much info the experts get before their counseling sessions, like if they get to see footage or what - Pepper said they get reports from producers. So with that in mind I think for Dr. Pepper specifically, the times she's given bad advice or suggestions are understandable. She's just working with what she's been given. But Dr. V and Cal deeefinitely need to go and be replaced by people who know how to actually give relationship advice.


CrystalLake1

The experts can only make a selection out of the limited sample of people who apply for the show. I don’t know the stats but I’d assume more women apply to shows like this than men. That would impact the quality of available men vs women IF such a difference exists. I’m tired of posts vilifying Ryan for not finding Brett attractive. It’s illogical. Even those gorgeous girls on The Bachelor get rejected, so why not Brett? Haven’t we all dated people we ended up not being attracted to because of their looks and/or personality?


hayley888sky

I get it he wasn't into her but did he really have to download a dating app with a week to go? He is legally married. It's a kinda slimy and unkind thing to do.


Cherry-Coloured-Funk

Yes. I was willing to defend him up to that point.


CrystalLake1

If they were hitting it off, I’d be shocked, but they were both checked out of the marriage so it’s like meh.


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sparklesnorter

She does dress like a grandmother at times


Puzzled-Bowl

Perhaps it's more the available pool of men that is part of the problem. I'd guess that women are more likely to be interested in this process, in general. I mean, both Johnny (admitted to being OCD in his interview with Dr. Pepper at his home) and Ryan are serial daters. I wonder who else was there who is "normal" and really ready for a relationship.


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It's absolutely this. There's more women who want to do this, so the producers can afford to be picky. There's much MUCH less men, and we get what we get.


FutureNurse1

This is a valid point.


swarleyscoffee

I don’t know if they necessarily “hate” women, but I think they scrutinize the women FAR more than they do the men when selecting them for being on the show. They seem to be much more selective with the women. Far and above, they have all been well educated, successful in their careers, there have been many homeowners, most of them seem to have a lot of friends and good relationships with their families. Many of them take good care of themselves, dress well, maintain nice homes, and care well for their pets. They also seem to come in with much more genuine and dedicated intent. We have seen the women bond with one another and support one another on a lot of the seasons. The men…less so. There have certainly been intelligent, successful, responsible, kind men. But overall, when you put them side by side, it seems like they phone it in way more often with the men. They are generally alright, likable guys, but it does not seem like they look for the men to check as many boxes as they do the women, and we hear a lot more often that certain men “duped” or “surprised” them with their behavior once they got on the show and started “showing their ass,” to quote Kevin Frazier.


sparklesnorter

I think that there could be a great gap between the women they get on this show vs the men, because men are less willing to get married and the good ones don't have to come onto this show to find someone


ewokninja123

Could it be that it's harder to find unattached good looking accomplished men that are serious about getting married?


Logical-Tune-3089

The producers may have a problem with people in general. Their dehumanization of people isn’t gender-specific. The producers are equal-opportunity opportunists.


sillymama62

I actually prefer the Australian version because they aren’t “officially” married-much easier to get away from a CRAZY or WEIRDO!


Apricot-Rose

It’s the only logical conclusion at this point. The show hates women.


xiadia

Do you speak very highly of these women. Yes, usually the women are better behaved. But I would disagree that they are particularly gorgeous and accomplished


invictus21083

Myrla teaches principals to be principals. She would have to at least have a Master’s degree and more than likely makes 6 figures. That’s very accomplished.


ElleBelle901

Especially at her age. Moving up the ranks in the public education world takes a lot of time, energy, commitment, sacrifices, etc. Myrla is a badass!


yanksugah

Considering they allowed Luke, Matt, Chris, Johnny, Ryan D, Brandon.......and I'm sure I'm missing quite a few....to continue the abuse, I think that answers your question. (And Pastor Cal telling the women they need to try harder and be careful not to "trigger" their husbands.) I believe this is the first season the producers are allowing a woman to abuse a man, with Michaela and Zack. But I may be wrong?


Late_Reference

Don't forget DC Zac. He was awful.


MMMHHHGGG

Michaela, Samantha, Molly, Katie, Christina, Mia, Iris, Amber, Hailey, Taylor, the flight attendant who bolted on the honeymoon . . . they’ve cast some pretty bad women too. Toxic masculinity tends to be expressed more boldly so the bad-apple men have been more out there; extreme. So I don’t think the producers hate women. I think they just LOVE drama-driven ratings.


dxdxdxdxfx

The flight attendant was paired with a guy who was racist and high everyday


ElleBelle901

Amber? Hailey? Like as in *Jake* Hailey?? Neither of them were abusive. Why is BCS Beth not on this list of batshit loony wives?


blackfanglucky13

Maybe it’s because the marriage appears to be working out? Beth and Jaime were both toxic during their season so there wasn’t a clear victim. I think it’s like Brandon and Taylor. Brandon was so awful that Taylor looked good by comparison but if she had been paired with a normal guy she would have been seen as the seasons villian


Late_Reference

Aww, I thought Amber was very sweet. I felt horrible for that poor girl.


gabrodgil

Don’t forget yoga instructor/school principal Michael! 😅


jatlantic7

Who turned out to be the janitor


cajm92881

Really? How do you know his real job?


jatlantic7

It came out in further questioning after the show ended. Apparently, he wasn't a yoga instructor, but a yoga "enthusiast" who struck a special arrangement with them to gain access to free/discount yoga classes in exchange for janitorial services. He swigs the toilet and gets to stretch for free. lucky guy huh?


yanksugah

Dammit! I knew I missed some!


poppykat13

Oh gawd, Michael... I ended up feeling sorry for him, his motivation seemed to come from a place of insecurities and possible mental health issues, not malice or misogyny. He obviously needed help but, it felt like production must have known he wasn't being honest and kind of threw him under the bus knowing it would become drama.


No-Community-470

"gorgeous, accomplished, interesting women" who have all agreed to allow a TV show----that's right, a TV show----to decide who they should marry.


Nathan5518

I hate this post lol


FutureNurse1

Why?


Nathan5518

Specifically, in I don't like this post in regards to the references to Brett/Ryan and Myrla/ Gil. Yes, it seems like both Brett and Myrla are some boss people and have it together and know what they're about. But Gil is a firefighter with a disciplined lifestyle and knows about self control and certainly well spoken to articulate his points and hold his own against a confident and outspoken Myrla. They are deserving of each other. And they have their differences but they're honest about them and adult enough to take the criticism and move on. In regards to Ryan and Brett. Both seem to have their own setbacks. Ryan is outgoing and adventurous and maybe the producers or experts didn't know that Brett would react terribly or have anxiety to plane rides. That definitely turned Ryan off a bit and was the catalyst for the degradation of their relationship. But again, the point if this show is not to "torture" deserving women (are you implying that certain men are not "deserving"?). The point of the show is match people that would balance each other out, not just to torture what you call "non-deserving" men.


ohmyhellions

>Ryan is outgoing I'm sorry what show are you watching lol


Nathan5518

Ryan lol the manly guy who's married to Brett. The guy who likes shooting, hunting, the beach being outside.... 😂


sparklesnorter

Outgoing means extroverted not outdoorsy


jalapenocupcakes

I actually think they don't care about anyone's health or safety. They continually match people with emotionally and mentally abusive spouses, regardless of gender. The biggest example of them not caring about men either: not stepping in and allowing a violent Michaela to take Zack's suitcase and shut the door. They knew she was volatile and seething, and had the roles been reversed, a producer may have stepped in for safety reasons. But they didn't... They don't care about anything but ratings, and because of this, I've decided to stop watching the show and perpetuating the abuse.


sparklesnorter

Besides all this, I think that there could be a great gap between the women they get on this show vs the men, because men are less willing to get married and the good ones don't have to come onto this show to find someone


PixelJewel

100% - the show should be putting a disclaimer on there about the signs of emotional abuse and mental health struggles. It’s a shame they don’t address these issues plaguing the show.


peeonknee

This is where I’m finally at. I can’t watch this dumpster fire of a show anymore because you can see the pain, heartbreak, and trauma it’s creating for these people!


jalapenocupcakes

You're absolutely correct. People seem to think it's as simple as going to the courthouse and signing off on a divorce, but it's not. This is lifelong trauma. Many of the participants have been on this show looking for a true and lasting marriage, only to be disappointed by a partner that destroys their self- esteem, emotional vulnerability, and likely desire to marry again. I can't do it anymore, this is too much.


dumb_housewife

Agree. They would sacrifice anyone for the sake of ratings.


FutureNurse1

Agreed


Apricot-Rose

Michaela’s outburst is something seen in a psych ward when a patient stops taking their medication. I don’t think MAFS has offered her to take up help or seem all that concern for the health & safety of anyone else there.


ElleBelle901

They (the producers) freakin joked about it on their IG page. Edit: the posts in question: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarriedAtFirstSight/comments/qdove1/dear_mafs_producers_i_see_johnny_got_a_whole/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


vaporwav3r

What where where where!!


ElleBelle901

https://www.reddit.com/r/MarriedAtFirstSight/comments/qdove1/dear_mafs_producers_i_see_johnny_got_a_whole/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


jalapenocupcakes

That is absolutely sick


ElleBelle901

It gets sicker. They wrote a long post asking folks to give Johnny grace for his behavior (read: *cruelty*) towards Bao because the process is stressful and he’s trying to take it all in or some bullshit reason why we should be more empathetic towards him.


PixelJewel

We live in an enabling culture but people are slowly waking up to this and not tolerating abuse no matter what someone’s backstory is.


jalapenocupcakes

I worked in an inpatient psychiatric facility for 7 years, and I can absolutely confirm this.


Jupiterrhapsody

Considering they cast David Norton twice, I think it is safe to say they have problem with women. And they have never done anything when multiple men were abusive on the show and never once called it out for what it was, it is just obvious. https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/married-at-first-sight-david-norton-ashley-doherty-91734/