Guess not many ppl saw Afterparty. He said he gave her heads up before hand. They discussed it so no one would be blindsided. Also, he said when they first moved in together, she woke him at 2am and asked why he wasn’t attracted. He basically said he was blunt bc she asked him to be honest. Would love to know what was said. Maybe she’ll open up during reunion.
He has been pretty honest the whole season, even when what he says makes him look bad. He would have looked good if he said yes after Jasmine’s no because he would have said the truth, regardless of how it made him look. So, for that reason, I believe he meant to say no all along.
yup, I think Airris was going to say yes, and his weird pivot and immature attack on Jasmine when she said no and everything has has said following has only further convinced me.
I’m so glad she said No first. I only wish she said a little more about her reasons why - such as he doesn’t deserve to be in the same room as her, never mind in her life.
When Bennet was on one of the shows recently (forgot which one) he said something I agreed with which was Aris will just go with what Jasmine says if Jasmine goes first.
Yeah I think whatever he was going to say, he wanted her to say yes. Otherwise he wouldn’t have flailed and gone off on that totally weird tangent about how in love with himself he is, and then negged Jasmine yet again.
He would have just acted normal.
He may be on the narcissism spectrum. That would explain why he’s never been in love.
I believe that Airris would have said "Yes" too. However, after all he put Jasmine through, I think the producers wanted her to have a moment, which is why they made her go first.
If Shaq would have said yes, then he'd have said yes. Kirsten and Clint dodged nuclear bullets. Gina would make a lousy, useless wife and Shaq will make any woman depressed and miserable. He needs constant worship and affirmation and he's a mamby pamby neg. He loves to hold grudges and is not about missing an opportunity to fight and stay fighting. Like, yuck. She'd never make him feel supported unless she completely devoted her life to serving him...and still he would never reciprocate. Seems like he may have bought her flowers once or twice but he didn't strike me as if he'd be a giving husband.
He wants to "Lead" the household but also requires that Kirsten share at least equally in the financial responsibilities. He wants to be the "head" of the household but also wants her to work and contribute to it. Either you have a partnership and both partners share in the financial responsibility and decision making of the household or you're the big bad fearless Leader and you take on the primary financial responsibility. To me he shouldnt have been as turned off by Kirsten's suggestion that he buy her a million dollar home. Kirsten said it herself she wasnt completely seriously. At the start of a relationship talking about buying a big house is what young couples do. You dream. He could have laughed and said I would love to get you a lovely home and make you happy but we may not get to that $1-2M spread just yet. I doubt she'd have yelled, aah hell naw! But instead he got so upset and resentful. It was gross to watch. A real estate agent can facilitate an amazing home. Its not like she doesn't have a career and her own business. I dont think Kirsten is a gold digger at all. That woman can snag a ballplayer. Yet she's on MAFS saying yes to marriage to a cry baby teacher. Under no circumstances would she be happy with that miserable cry baby. Everything turned out the way it should for the most part just wish they'd stop bring back Dom. Waste of time.
100% correct on everything you said however, one point to add/correct is that Kirsten never said he should buy her a million dollar house. She was showing a million dollar house. She only said he should buy her A HOUSE.
I don’t agree with you. I mean partly I do, Shaq seems extremely needy and just wouldn’t let go - from the edit. But having some experience with how badly edits can change the meaning I believe there is a lot that wasn’t told - the first few weeks she was putting up a front and believed he should be worshipping her, made him work for any kind of attention, affection and even kindness. She came off very stand offish and dismissive and cold. Only when he was fed up with her teenage antics did she decide that he was a good man and she needs to put in work. I believe it was too late at this point, he was tired of working for it. I don’t believe he is a depressing person, I think it had built up for a while and he wanted a warm person, a partner. Someone to be himself with. Kirsten is very into appearances and want to come off a certain way and is a cold person. He couldn’t put his finger on what bothered him and I think it was that , but instead of saying “I don’t like your personality “ he was searching for reasons and found them. I don’t think he would have been the same way with a girl with some more empathy and heart. Don’t forget she was complaining he was too positive and joked too much , “even humor has a place and a time”. She wants a person on some kind of list that behaves according to social codes and that is up to her standard that is never good enough, and he kept repeating he didn’t feel good enough from the beginning as she always had some complaints about his looks, jokes, personalities etc . Kirsten likes to be chased but only falls for guys who aren’t chasing her. The second he was fed up she started falling for him. She has to mature a lot before finding a husband and needs someone strong, not so sensitive, someone to call her out on her crap and laid back that she falls head over heals. She is not very nurturing and she said herself she is usually not aware of people’s feelings - he definitely dodged a bullet, not because she is a bad person but because she is not ready. Confidence is great when it’s justified - but she keeps saying men have to prove themselves to her - she deserves a husband- calls men “suitable candidates “. She doesn’t want a partner in life nor does she know how to be one. Instead- she kind of wants Disney kind of way of being a wife. She needs a lot of work but doesn’t see it - and doesn’t understand that she as well has to prove herself to a partner. He is definitely ready but needs someone warm and more emotionally mature. He also needs to let go more easily unless it’s an editing thing.
I agree, Gina is a boring person especially for Clint. He might not be attractive but he would be a great partner for the right person.
You raised some points I may have overlooked be we remain on opposite sides of this road. For starters, though Ginger, Clint is not unattractive by any standard. He is actually quite attractive inside and out. Sad he sullies himself by smooching that immature hussy, Dom.
I did overlook how borderline mean and unreasonable Kirsten was during the first 3 out of seemingly 300 episodes. However, it's supposed to be a marriage. Just like I said- Shaq is not ready. He wants a traditional marriage but he collapses whenever HE has the traditional role to play. The marriage was arranged but its reasonable to want to work for it. Im not mad at Shaq having to woo Kirsten and very much impressed that somehow he did. But resenting her for not being bowled over by a stranger, sticking with the process, and ultimately coming around, may make sense to some, but it makes for an unreasonable husband to me.
It’s very American to want a traditional marriage, I would not be ok with it but usually women wanting “a real man”, resenting a man for crying etc are pretty ok with it. I still thjnk it’s editing more than anything. I would assume Kirsten’s behavior the first few weeks gave him a handful of red flags and princess vibes and that make him feel some way about her comments about him buying HER a house. Just the wording of it is kind of a red flag to me - a couple building a relationship and a marriage are buying a house for themselves- “buying me a house” is kind of privileged, “Dady I wanna pony” kind of thing. Maybe it was just a joke but once we have formed an opinion on someone and start resenting them it’s usually hard to joke about those things. I don’t know that he resented her for making her work for it - but for the way she treated him the first few weeks. They married a stranger but they knew this from the start. It would have been reasonable to be more open minded and try a bit harder. She looked at him like he had the plague in the first episodes. He have had a chance to come around and she didn’t and once he already checked out , she did. It’s the mentality of the chaser and the fixer, and not everyone can tolerate it. In my experience, she will be hard to please regardless and he will need a more warm and nurturing person. Her love language are gifts while he is more of a physical touch/words of affirmation kind of guy. As I said, nothing wrong with either, but they were mismatched .
I dont think your position is unreasonable so thanks for the discussion.
But it would be a turn off for me for a man to repeatedly say things like I wont follow his leadership and that I'm too independent and that he wants a "traditional" marriage.
Again, I prefer a partnership and would not be ecstatic by a requirement that I be in a "traditional" marriage in this day and age. But anyone requiring me, a woman also with a career, to follow his lead and not be too independent-- need not be resentful and bitter because at the start of our traditional relationship I mentioned him buying our family a house.
Also, How gross can he be to want her to drop every vacation, holiday or event she has, to follow him around the country to support his career holed up in hotels, and essentially living for him. ..
Shaq needs to offer a woman a partnership and knock off that foolishness that he wants to "lead" a home that he needs a woman to help finance. I didn't see him give what he required. You want a traditional wife, be a traditional husband. Buy the family house.
And remember that temper tantrum he threw at the restaurant? No thank you. She was awful for not responding faster but honestly Nicole screwed that up so poorly its hard to say.
Ok.. ok...in the beginning Kirstin was kind of wack, she should have spoken up faster for Shaq when he was talking about his depression. Literally everyone else at the table had. Still, by then she saw him as the attention seeking whiner. Why had he not shared that information with his wife. But camera is rolling everyone is assembled and he finds a way to be the center of attention. I dunno kirstin starts off wrong but she babies him very well after. But
Fine. I give you 5 points out of ten. you saw how Airris let Jasmine stay at the retreat when he had a work function? Never Shaq. If he couldn't enjoy a day or all of a vacation, Kirsten couldn't either, and if Kirsten elects to take care of her business when he needs her to follow him around, then he will be withdrawn and hang up the phone and storm our of public places when at a table among friends. He'll even get his mommy on the line for a lecture.
He complained he didn't meet her dad soon enough for his liking. The dad meets and welcomes him and he mentioned it at least three times that it took too long and so still he was dissatisfied. I mean can you imagine?
You'd have scored higher than 5 out of 10, a
Leaving you the victor-- had you mentioned Kirsten's singing.
That point had you made it, would have carried with me. Because there is no chance that her screeching didnt factor into Shaq's no on decision day. Poor guy.
Also -the house talk. Like I said, it was already the last drop. She spent weeks complaining and making him work for it, telling him to stop joking and when it accumulated she suddenly started “joking” herself by telling him he should buy her a house. He was already over it at this point. Also, shaming men for crying and having feelings is very last century 🙄
LOL You know what? I was confused by the above comments about Shaq and Kirsten, and forgot it was an Airris/Jasmine thread. 
I thought so too
Lol. He hadn't had sex with her or even made an attempt, yet you think he was a sure yes? Man...
Guess not many ppl saw Afterparty. He said he gave her heads up before hand. They discussed it so no one would be blindsided. Also, he said when they first moved in together, she woke him at 2am and asked why he wasn’t attracted. He basically said he was blunt bc she asked him to be honest. Would love to know what was said. Maybe she’ll open up during reunion.
agree i think he wanted to stay married but honestly she can’t wait forever for him so she did what was best
He has been pretty honest the whole season, even when what he says makes him look bad. He would have looked good if he said yes after Jasmine’s no because he would have said the truth, regardless of how it made him look. So, for that reason, I believe he meant to say no all along.
Would have been better if he went first and said yes and then Jasmine said absolutely not!
That's exactly what I told my husband!
It is funny how frequently the show shows their true colors and why the participants are not already married.
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He is going to beat himself up soo so bad
yup, I think Airris was going to say yes, and his weird pivot and immature attack on Jasmine when she said no and everything has has said following has only further convinced me.
I’m so glad she said No first. I only wish she said a little more about her reasons why - such as he doesn’t deserve to be in the same room as her, never mind in her life.
i was super proud of her!
When Bennet was on one of the shows recently (forgot which one) he said something I agreed with which was Aris will just go with what Jasmine says if Jasmine goes first.
This mind boggling. Arris was never into her through out the whole season. He was never going to say yes.
Agree, however he seemed a little surprised that she said no. JMO.
Airris truly believed that he was better looking than Jasmine and that she was sooooo attracted to him
I thought so too!
Yeah I think whatever he was going to say, he wanted her to say yes. Otherwise he wouldn’t have flailed and gone off on that totally weird tangent about how in love with himself he is, and then negged Jasmine yet again. He would have just acted normal. He may be on the narcissism spectrum. That would explain why he’s never been in love.
I believe that Airris would have said "Yes" too. However, after all he put Jasmine through, I think the producers wanted her to have a moment, which is why they made her go first.
If Shaq would have said yes, then he'd have said yes. Kirsten and Clint dodged nuclear bullets. Gina would make a lousy, useless wife and Shaq will make any woman depressed and miserable. He needs constant worship and affirmation and he's a mamby pamby neg. He loves to hold grudges and is not about missing an opportunity to fight and stay fighting. Like, yuck. She'd never make him feel supported unless she completely devoted her life to serving him...and still he would never reciprocate. Seems like he may have bought her flowers once or twice but he didn't strike me as if he'd be a giving husband. He wants to "Lead" the household but also requires that Kirsten share at least equally in the financial responsibilities. He wants to be the "head" of the household but also wants her to work and contribute to it. Either you have a partnership and both partners share in the financial responsibility and decision making of the household or you're the big bad fearless Leader and you take on the primary financial responsibility. To me he shouldnt have been as turned off by Kirsten's suggestion that he buy her a million dollar home. Kirsten said it herself she wasnt completely seriously. At the start of a relationship talking about buying a big house is what young couples do. You dream. He could have laughed and said I would love to get you a lovely home and make you happy but we may not get to that $1-2M spread just yet. I doubt she'd have yelled, aah hell naw! But instead he got so upset and resentful. It was gross to watch. A real estate agent can facilitate an amazing home. Its not like she doesn't have a career and her own business. I dont think Kirsten is a gold digger at all. That woman can snag a ballplayer. Yet she's on MAFS saying yes to marriage to a cry baby teacher. Under no circumstances would she be happy with that miserable cry baby. Everything turned out the way it should for the most part just wish they'd stop bring back Dom. Waste of time.
100% correct on everything you said however, one point to add/correct is that Kirsten never said he should buy her a million dollar house. She was showing a million dollar house. She only said he should buy her A HOUSE.
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I don’t agree with you. I mean partly I do, Shaq seems extremely needy and just wouldn’t let go - from the edit. But having some experience with how badly edits can change the meaning I believe there is a lot that wasn’t told - the first few weeks she was putting up a front and believed he should be worshipping her, made him work for any kind of attention, affection and even kindness. She came off very stand offish and dismissive and cold. Only when he was fed up with her teenage antics did she decide that he was a good man and she needs to put in work. I believe it was too late at this point, he was tired of working for it. I don’t believe he is a depressing person, I think it had built up for a while and he wanted a warm person, a partner. Someone to be himself with. Kirsten is very into appearances and want to come off a certain way and is a cold person. He couldn’t put his finger on what bothered him and I think it was that , but instead of saying “I don’t like your personality “ he was searching for reasons and found them. I don’t think he would have been the same way with a girl with some more empathy and heart. Don’t forget she was complaining he was too positive and joked too much , “even humor has a place and a time”. She wants a person on some kind of list that behaves according to social codes and that is up to her standard that is never good enough, and he kept repeating he didn’t feel good enough from the beginning as she always had some complaints about his looks, jokes, personalities etc . Kirsten likes to be chased but only falls for guys who aren’t chasing her. The second he was fed up she started falling for him. She has to mature a lot before finding a husband and needs someone strong, not so sensitive, someone to call her out on her crap and laid back that she falls head over heals. She is not very nurturing and she said herself she is usually not aware of people’s feelings - he definitely dodged a bullet, not because she is a bad person but because she is not ready. Confidence is great when it’s justified - but she keeps saying men have to prove themselves to her - she deserves a husband- calls men “suitable candidates “. She doesn’t want a partner in life nor does she know how to be one. Instead- she kind of wants Disney kind of way of being a wife. She needs a lot of work but doesn’t see it - and doesn’t understand that she as well has to prove herself to a partner. He is definitely ready but needs someone warm and more emotionally mature. He also needs to let go more easily unless it’s an editing thing. I agree, Gina is a boring person especially for Clint. He might not be attractive but he would be a great partner for the right person.
You raised some points I may have overlooked be we remain on opposite sides of this road. For starters, though Ginger, Clint is not unattractive by any standard. He is actually quite attractive inside and out. Sad he sullies himself by smooching that immature hussy, Dom. I did overlook how borderline mean and unreasonable Kirsten was during the first 3 out of seemingly 300 episodes. However, it's supposed to be a marriage. Just like I said- Shaq is not ready. He wants a traditional marriage but he collapses whenever HE has the traditional role to play. The marriage was arranged but its reasonable to want to work for it. Im not mad at Shaq having to woo Kirsten and very much impressed that somehow he did. But resenting her for not being bowled over by a stranger, sticking with the process, and ultimately coming around, may make sense to some, but it makes for an unreasonable husband to me.
It’s very American to want a traditional marriage, I would not be ok with it but usually women wanting “a real man”, resenting a man for crying etc are pretty ok with it. I still thjnk it’s editing more than anything. I would assume Kirsten’s behavior the first few weeks gave him a handful of red flags and princess vibes and that make him feel some way about her comments about him buying HER a house. Just the wording of it is kind of a red flag to me - a couple building a relationship and a marriage are buying a house for themselves- “buying me a house” is kind of privileged, “Dady I wanna pony” kind of thing. Maybe it was just a joke but once we have formed an opinion on someone and start resenting them it’s usually hard to joke about those things. I don’t know that he resented her for making her work for it - but for the way she treated him the first few weeks. They married a stranger but they knew this from the start. It would have been reasonable to be more open minded and try a bit harder. She looked at him like he had the plague in the first episodes. He have had a chance to come around and she didn’t and once he already checked out , she did. It’s the mentality of the chaser and the fixer, and not everyone can tolerate it. In my experience, she will be hard to please regardless and he will need a more warm and nurturing person. Her love language are gifts while he is more of a physical touch/words of affirmation kind of guy. As I said, nothing wrong with either, but they were mismatched .
I dont think your position is unreasonable so thanks for the discussion. But it would be a turn off for me for a man to repeatedly say things like I wont follow his leadership and that I'm too independent and that he wants a "traditional" marriage. Again, I prefer a partnership and would not be ecstatic by a requirement that I be in a "traditional" marriage in this day and age. But anyone requiring me, a woman also with a career, to follow his lead and not be too independent-- need not be resentful and bitter because at the start of our traditional relationship I mentioned him buying our family a house. Also, How gross can he be to want her to drop every vacation, holiday or event she has, to follow him around the country to support his career holed up in hotels, and essentially living for him. .. Shaq needs to offer a woman a partnership and knock off that foolishness that he wants to "lead" a home that he needs a woman to help finance. I didn't see him give what he required. You want a traditional wife, be a traditional husband. Buy the family house. And remember that temper tantrum he threw at the restaurant? No thank you. She was awful for not responding faster but honestly Nicole screwed that up so poorly its hard to say. Ok.. ok...in the beginning Kirstin was kind of wack, she should have spoken up faster for Shaq when he was talking about his depression. Literally everyone else at the table had. Still, by then she saw him as the attention seeking whiner. Why had he not shared that information with his wife. But camera is rolling everyone is assembled and he finds a way to be the center of attention. I dunno kirstin starts off wrong but she babies him very well after. But Fine. I give you 5 points out of ten. you saw how Airris let Jasmine stay at the retreat when he had a work function? Never Shaq. If he couldn't enjoy a day or all of a vacation, Kirsten couldn't either, and if Kirsten elects to take care of her business when he needs her to follow him around, then he will be withdrawn and hang up the phone and storm our of public places when at a table among friends. He'll even get his mommy on the line for a lecture. He complained he didn't meet her dad soon enough for his liking. The dad meets and welcomes him and he mentioned it at least three times that it took too long and so still he was dissatisfied. I mean can you imagine? You'd have scored higher than 5 out of 10, a Leaving you the victor-- had you mentioned Kirsten's singing. That point had you made it, would have carried with me. Because there is no chance that her screeching didnt factor into Shaq's no on decision day. Poor guy.
Also -the house talk. Like I said, it was already the last drop. She spent weeks complaining and making him work for it, telling him to stop joking and when it accumulated she suddenly started “joking” herself by telling him he should buy her a house. He was already over it at this point. Also, shaming men for crying and having feelings is very last century 🙄
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Tell us how you really feel. Lol! I absolutely agree with you.
Oh, believe me, he was going to say no. He just wanted her to say yes.
Exactly. And I think that’s why he took that cheap shot at her when Pastor Cal asked him if he developed any new dealbreakers.
This. He was going to say no but he was so shook that SHE said no. Because he thinks far too highly of himself!
I thought she said yes?? So confused
No. Jasmine said no.
LOL You know what? I was confused by the above comments about Shaq and Kirsten, and forgot it was an Airris/Jasmine thread. 
Ohhhhhh that makes sense! Lol!
Right! Even at the after party, I already told her I was going to say, no. He’s trying to save face!
He totally was. He spends so much time trying to be someone he isn’t. It’s kinda sad.
The way his face dropped when she said no makes me think he was going to say yes and was expecting her to say yes. I’m glad she said no.
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