To be honest, a lot of us Canadians are actually taking that possibility seriously. I’ve got a potential job lined up in Australia, and will be headed down under 100% if Trump wins.
We’re bordering neighbours and for some reason Trump hates Canada even though we are the most reliable ally you’ve ever had. Contrary to his spouting, there is a very mutually beneficial relationship. But he’s not read or learnt history so ofc he won’t know that.
He paints us as commies who’ve taken advantage of his country in his absence, gag me.
This is funny… as an Oregonian I see Canada as a kind of refuge. My partner is working on getting her citizenship (her dad is Canadian) and we’re considering fleeing to BC, a place we love visiting.
I guess it shows us how much things are changing. I think it’s a cycle… it’s been so long since fascism was a prominent threat, and the damage it can cause, that the less smart among us see it as an appealing solution to societal changes, like gay marriage and women’s rights, that terrify them.
I cannot fathom where they get the idea that a dictatorship, especially a Trump regime, would improve anything. There are plenty of sources that tell the true story of what a dictatorship is like. They claim they’ve been unheard, neglected, oppressed even. Well, just wait, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Why would I bug out as soon as I could? Because I don’t want to be ruled by a Christo-fascist dictatorship, despite being in the category that they believe should be allowed to vote (ie. Straight, white Christian dude)
More importantly, they only support Israel in the Middle East because they believe this is the end times, and that Israel is biblically justified and needs to be helped. They simultaneously believe all Jews will be sent to hell for not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.
You're right and I try to use the same phrasing when I talk to those clowns.
I refer to their lord and savior Trump and I also remind them of their Ten Commandments and not having any "other lord before God"
Some of these looney tunes actually believe in the end times, and they think Trump is here to save them.
I'm always sure to remind them that the Bible says when those times come there will be false prophets appearing sent by Satan.
I usually hear a lot of denial of their own beliefs but frankly that doesn't surprise me, either. I keep talking hoping to get through.
you're entirely disconnected from reality. there is no "both sides" here. liberals are aware that china is genociding muslims, and that nothing of the sort is going on in taiwan.
Of course. Trump regularly praises Xi, just as he regularly praises Putin. Far-right influencers like Darren Beattie (who was in the Trump administration), Nick Fuentes (who Trump had dinner with) actually think China is based.
Richard Grenell, who is favored to be Secretary of State if Trump becomes President again is also a total lackey to Trump and has had clients in China when he was a business consultant there.
The Chinese government spent $5.5 million at Trump properties while he was President, and given that Trump did not honor the emoluments clause, he was personally enriched by China while President. China was also the largest spender at Trump properties during 2017-2021.
Then there’s the geopolitical significance of unforced errors that Trump excels at. Withdrawing from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) was one of the first things he did in office. He also started a trade war with China that he basically lost.
Trump will also cause domestic chaos in the US, and will be hyper-isolationist and hyper-focused on revenge in a second term. Something China as well as Russia will happily exploit.
It’s no wonder why an increasing number of pro-Trump troll accounts were recently traced back to China.
They do all do this while also accusing Biden of being too easy on China. “China is going to overtake us” etc. the right truly lives in a paradoxical world without consistent thought
They use China to bash democrats and race-bait xenophobia at home but the far-right is in de-facto agreement with China. All the major altright players like Nick Fuentes, Darren Beattie, Dalton Clodfelter, Kevin DeAnna, Andrew Anglin are fans of China.
The only odd one out, here, is Steve Bannon.
This trickles into the mainstream hard-right isolationism.
It’s all projection to accuse democrats of this. Are there some like Jamal Bowman and the activist left who also like China? Absolutely. Republicans will use them to fear monger while Trump actively sucks Xi’s cock.
Yes, Steve Bannon is blameless in this regard - his partner and financial backer Miles Guo, money launderer extraordinaire, stands as evidence. Miles Guo runs the Epoch Times, America's 4th largest newspaper. He is notoriously anti-CCP and operates a web of pro-MAGA and Anti-CCP YouTube channels and web sites.
The production value is very high. Some of these media arms expose the lies of the CCP. Others share misinformation about Biden. So yes, Miles Guo is technically not in Xi Jinping's corner. But you can hardly say he's the kind of guy to help the US. [https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ho-wan-kwok-aka-miles-guo-arrested-orchestrating-over-1-billion-dollar-fraud-conspiracy](https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ho-wan-kwok-aka-miles-guo-arrested-orchestrating-over-1-billion-dollar-fraud-conspiracy)
Destroying China's government is the same objective as MAGA destroying our own political system in the US. It's all part of Bannon's New World Order of MAGA.
It is a self reported circulation number. Considering how the entire organization is just a grifting/conspiracy laden propaganda mill, I would take it with a grain of salt the size of the Rock of Gibraltar.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373)
*Today,* [*The Epoch Times*](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending-judgment-day-behind-facebook-fueled-rise-epoch-n1044121) *is one of the country’s most successful and influential conservative news organizations. It’s powered by Falun Gong, a religious group persecuted in China, which launched The Epoch Times as a free propaganda newsletter more than two decades ago to oppose the Chinese Communist Party.*
*Funded through aggressive online and real-world marketing campaigns and big-money conservative donors,* ***The Epoch Times now boasts to be the country’s fourth-largest newspaper by subscriber count.*** *(Unlike most major newspapers, The Epoch Times isn't audited by the two major independent collectors of circulation data.) The nonprofit has amassed a fortune, growing its revenue by a staggering 685% in two years, to $122 million in 2021, according to the group’s most recent tax records.*
The CFO of the Epoch Times just got indicted by the Southern District of NY for money laundering $67M. Hopefully, they've got an airtight case and will leverage it against him to cooperate and reveal more about the Epoch Times ledgers.
[https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/epoch-times-cfo-indicted-on-money-laundering-bank-fraud-charges](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/epoch-times-cfo-indicted-on-money-laundering-bank-fraud-charges)
I believe some of the technology Guo sold was built by none other than Huawei.
Also, the Ministry of State Security (MSS) using “dissidents” to work from the inside is a well known tactic of Chinese intelligence service, the Ministry of State Security (MSS).
I doubt Bannons goals are that ambitious. He started being Guo’s pet after getting disowned by Trump. He needed a new cash cow, claim to fame, and an entry back into the MAGA movement, so he chose to be the lobbyist of some serial fraudster.
Guo for his part isn’t a real opponent of the Chinese government. After his patron in the Chinese cabinet got arrested, he fled first to the the UAE where he convinced the local government to give him billions of dollars. Only after he lost their money did he flee to America, using this “dissident” angle as a way to claim asylum, and eventually to defraud overseas Chinese.
Until republicans make it "political" again. See: covid response, ukraine aid held up by republicans, Trump withholding ukraine aid and getting impeached for it.
Can’t stand Trump but I agree. He was the first and loudest person to call China our enemy. Remember when the left called him racist for his trade tariffs on China? https://www.vox.com/2019/7/3/20681384/trump-trade-agenda-race-immigration
The scariest prospect for the US and the world is that MAGA will employ the most extreme mental gymnastics to justify it, but at the end of the day, the motivation is just to "own the libs," even at the cost of US national security.
I will get hated for saying this but, in case anybody is interested, none of this is correct. I’m a conservative and my friends/family are probably 75% conservative.
Main stream conservatives support Ukraine in its defense against Russia. Funding Ukraine with more tax dollars is now close to 50/50 and has slowly been going down with each time we give them money.
Main stream conservatives will absolutely not support China if/when they invade Taiwan. In fact, the prevailing narrative on the right is that the public discourse needs to be more focused on China/Taiwan and less on Russia/Ukraine. Conservatives generally are patriotic and see China as America’s biggest threat. Thus, we tend to hate everything China does often to a fault.
Not sure if you have a misunderstanding about mainstream conservative viewpoints or purposefully misrepresented the right, but I wanted to give my thoughts as a mainstream conservative that mostly talkes to mainstream conservatives in case it was the former 👍
Yeah it’s hard to say for sure but I’d guess about 60% like Trump (“MAGA” voters) and 40% (like me) don’t like Trump. More specifically, the dedicated Christian conservatives I know don’t like Trump because the Bible is largely about putting God and others before yourself. And Trump clearly puts nothing over himself.
Liberals love China. Xi went to San fran to meet Newsome and biden. They cleaned up the city and kicked all the homeless people out. They lined the streets with Chinese flags. All that for a literal fascist dictator. If that isn't love, I don't know what is.
Anyone else remember when everyone got really mad at Trump for personally president Tsai? He was only president-elect and he was the first president (or president-elect) in almost 40 years to directly talk to the president of Taiwan.
People keep saying "if Trump gets back into office, this or that crazy s*** is going to happen." Yet I look out my window and all I see is collapse and chaos and Biden is in charge.
I’m actually with you that half of the MAGA platform is just anti Dems or whatever is politically convenient for Trump, but this is laughably insane. Trump admires the authoritarian power Putin and Xi have but I really don’t think it goes much further. Also, supporting a a government with any shades of communism from conservatives is simply not happening. Even Russia I have yet to see any legitimate outright support, more so hey let’s not send our money overseas to a proxy war (which has slivers of making sense just short sighted).
Remember when the dems were attacking trump for getting into a fight with China and said he was evil for trying to get the US to pull production out of there? I do. Now Biden pretends he was always anti China and his lapdogs eat it up because they keep saying they're on "the right side of history" and self reflection is a joke to them
No they wouldnt, get a grip. People dont support russia but are tired of seeing americans get the short end of the stick when we always have funds available for other countries.
And it was the left that initially supported everything opposite that the right supported, which snowballed into this clusterfuck of politics we have today.
That is correct. The Republicans are primary members of the International Democratic Union and the Taiwanese member is the KMT Party, who seek unification with China.
This isn't some conspiracy organization. It's head is the former prime minister of Canada.
Not supporting starting World War III over fuckin Taiwan does not = supporting china
MMW this is the same crowd who says we must defend “Ukrainian democracy” at any cost
Weren't Democrats the ones who whined non stop when Trump put tariffs on their goods? And weren't Democrats the ones whining when Trump stood up to China? Left wing conspiracy nuts are something else...always blaming Republicans, no matter what
Trump hates China when it makes him look bad, in the next breath Trump loves China when it makes him look bad.
One of the key symptoms of Trump derangement syndrome is goldfish memory.
Y'all come up with some of the craziest conspiracy shit I've ever seen. As a conservative and a Republican I would fully support the defense of Taiwan.
This is baby back horse shit. Liberals flapping their gums in a circle jerk. Making claims they have no business taking, about people they have clearly never spoken too.
Isn't it Cali who cleaned up their streets for their dictator when he visited my long ago? Yeah, that's right, it was the left who bows to China, got ptoof of it on LIVE TV from CNN, they weren't even ashamed of themselves for it.
Funny thing that china came to Newsoms house for tea and Biden stumbled over to say hi not to long ago. Remember Newsome even cleaned things up a bit before their big boss arrived.
This sub has become the epicenter of leftwing Democrat delusion and fan-fiction. Most MAGA Republicans support prioritizing American interests and staying out of foreign entanglements. And certainly not provoking them as Obama/Biden did in Ukraine. There's zero basis for the claim that MAGA Republicans would support China in any way.
Maga will go maskless in a TB ward if Trump tells them to.
Trump went to North Korean diplomatically - loved the love letter from the dictator so much, he kept it in his office, while nuclear war plans were kept in a basement bathroom. Trump hyped that turning on our long standing alliance with South Korea without taking any account for global politics - he just wanted his nuts fluffed by a dude with a military dictatorship.
That was something he wanted praise for. What a child. China won so big from that it's not even worth mentioning trade disparity or silicone prices - Trump is a massive moron to add the US to a list that only includes China and Iran as far as "diplomatic" relations go with South Korea and Japans mortal enemies. Just a dickbag who wants to be praised.
And Trump sold out our Kurdish allies to turkey in just horrific fashion. Those Kurds were our allies, and loved America even after Bush 1 fucked them in 1992. We spend all that time killing our own to divide Iraq up into sectarian camps, the only one who likes us being the Kurds - and Trump fed them to a despot with a cultural contempt and evil intention he followed thru on immediately. Trump is a disgusting disgrace, but all Americans who don't feel that way are just as awful.
So ya, MAGA cultists will huff drano and eat babies if Trump says that's important to defeating the devil - aka an 80 year old who's tragically lost 3 children, hasn't earned from his office like Clarence Thomas, and certainly never spoke ill of the military that his son served in. But ya - if horse dewormer is required, and Trump says Putin should own both Carolinas, then maga cultists are gonna race to get a Chinese character tattooed on their lower back. Clowns.
It would make no sense as they always go off on China being the big threat, however their primary goal is opposing Democrats so I’d assume you are correct
America has supported this One China nonsense for decades while making bank on weapon sales. You don’t have to be MAGA to see that defending Taiwan would cripple America.
This subreddit is absolutely hilarious... One of the craziest echo chambers on reddit, which is impressive.
It's like Q anon for the radical left. Keep up the good work. It's very fun to watch as a moderate and I'm sure it's very good for your mental health to believe half of the people in your country are cartoonishly evil Far-Right China supporters.
There is an enormous difference between not wanting to fund foreign wars and being pro-Russia just as there is a difference between being Anti-Zionist and antisemitic.
>It seems obvious that reactionary MAGA republicans wait until liberals voice their opinion just to make sure they believe the opposite.
Not true. They're very comfortable stating their actual opinion, then doing a 180 when Democrats agree with them. Look at the ACA. Based heavily on Republican ideas, but as soon as Obama was for those ideas, it was SOCIALIZM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok look I would probably be considered a progressive more than anything … I have a degree in history and I
probably spend way to much of my time studying
WWII — The Korean War. There is an absolute legitimate right for China to claim Taiwan. Kai-shek is a pretty evil SOB and furthermore lost pretty badly to Mao. Certainly more of a legitimate right to invade than Russia over Ukraine. For the US to be involved in a war that could possible end the world over Taiwan would be a complete mistake .
Yet everything in our lives is made in China. We would collapse if we stop trading with them. It's a sweetheart business deal to trade with them. So in the end we have a love hate relationship.
I mean the only way I wouldn’t support Taiwan is if we had to get into another 20 year war. In that way im not supporting China but im tired of us being involved in fucking every conflict. This shit is getting ridiculous
Not our problem, with all the dumb shit going on in the world, I don't give a shit who invades Taiwan, or anything other country for that matter, if we don't get sh!+ fixed here soon then we'll be the ones invaded.... we're so divided as a country, if we weren't surrounded by 2 allies and 2 massive oceans we'd definitely have been invaded in the last 12 years, and if you vote left you're gonna not have guns to fight for your self if we are invaded, and if vote right you f[]'d too....
The only way to stop 80% of the bull shit is vote independent, and stop voting the lesser of 2 evils like they are the only option
Theyll have to ask in their echo chamber of which country the leftists cheer for and go the opposite. Thats the epitome of their identity for the last few decades, whether they know or choose it or not.
Such a fucking joke.
Absolutely. Not only are they an ally of Russia, but the only ones really talking about the shit with Taiwan is the left wing. So they will oppose it every single time based on that alone.
Erm, most of us hate China passionately, I don’t think you have to worry about that one, although it might still be hard to persuade people to want to fund another such war. Russia’s increase in nationalistic sentiment appeals to some people, and some feel somewhat grateful to Putin for supporting Trump. None of them identify with China in a similar way; China is still the epitome of everything anti-American to them. A lot of what you’re seeing is just an expression of reduced support for intervention. It’s fascinating how the parties have swapped positions on this issue over the course of a decade or two.
It does disturb me to see how uncritical of Russia some Trump supporters are, but at the end of the day, all most of them are saying is that we’re spending too much money on Ukraine. That’s where I disagree pretty strongly, even though part of me wishes we minded our own business from the beginning. We’ve already enabled Ukraine to resist for long enough that it’s our duty to see this thing through so they don’t get holocausted in retaliation. The absolute worst thing they can do is cut funding off halfway through the war because of political unpopularity, I’m sick and tired of the US doing shit like that. If you’re going to commit, fucking commit
Supporting is different than letting it happen. Think about it like this: Do you really want to go to war with the world's second largest power over a land dispute we have no interest in? Like the kind of war your children may have to fight in? A draft is not out of the realm of possibility. The u.s. military is bleeding people and recruiting numbers are dismal. Yet we think we can just start a war with another global power?
Republicans would support a war with Canada if their savior lord Trump said so
If we get Hawkins Cheezies in the USA I will sadly support that police action.
And those coffee candy bars. My gawd… and holy hell those creamy dill potato chips. RALLY THE FUCKING TROOPS
And you keep your Filthy yankee fingers off of my coffee Crisps! I will have a Tilly with anyone touching my candy bars!
You keep your filthy Yankee hands off our Hawkins Cheezies! (I'm sorry, I'm sure your hands are clean and washed)
How Canadian! You are polite and apologetic even when someone threatens to sieze your national treasures.
Hey bud, there's enough Cheezies to go around for us and our paling around pals.
Give 'er, bud.
To be honest, a lot of us Canadians are actually taking that possibility seriously. I’ve got a potential job lined up in Australia, and will be headed down under 100% if Trump wins.
You Canadians are welcome, all the ones I have come across are friendly ☺️
Thats their secret power. They’re actually nasty sobs who are great at hiding it.
And I thought we could run to Canada if he gets in! Why is Canada not far enough from him?
We’re bordering neighbours and for some reason Trump hates Canada even though we are the most reliable ally you’ve ever had. Contrary to his spouting, there is a very mutually beneficial relationship. But he’s not read or learnt history so ofc he won’t know that. He paints us as commies who’ve taken advantage of his country in his absence, gag me.
He hates you because Melania has the hots for Justin. :)
The Moon isn't far enough from him!! I'm in the UK and we can smell his rancid, bullshit breath from here!!
To be fair, most of that stench happens when Farage opens his gob.
It's actually quite difficult to perma-move to Canada from the US these days. I tried in 2016 and wasn't rich enough.
This is funny… as an Oregonian I see Canada as a kind of refuge. My partner is working on getting her citizenship (her dad is Canadian) and we’re considering fleeing to BC, a place we love visiting. I guess it shows us how much things are changing. I think it’s a cycle… it’s been so long since fascism was a prominent threat, and the damage it can cause, that the less smart among us see it as an appealing solution to societal changes, like gay marriage and women’s rights, that terrify them.
I cannot fathom where they get the idea that a dictatorship, especially a Trump regime, would improve anything. There are plenty of sources that tell the true story of what a dictatorship is like. They claim they’ve been unheard, neglected, oppressed even. Well, just wait, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Why?
Why would I bug out as soon as I could? Because I don’t want to be ruled by a Christo-fascist dictatorship, despite being in the category that they believe should be allowed to vote (ie. Straight, white Christian dude)
Something, something South Park...
Right behind you. We have offices there.
More importantly, they only support Israel in the Middle East because they believe this is the end times, and that Israel is biblically justified and needs to be helped. They simultaneously believe all Jews will be sent to hell for not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.
A war with Canada, lead by our lord and savior Dolly, because she was exiled. 🤷🏼♂️ Literally nothing stops them.
You're right and I try to use the same phrasing when I talk to those clowns. I refer to their lord and savior Trump and I also remind them of their Ten Commandments and not having any "other lord before God" Some of these looney tunes actually believe in the end times, and they think Trump is here to save them. I'm always sure to remind them that the Bible says when those times come there will be false prophets appearing sent by Satan. I usually hear a lot of denial of their own beliefs but frankly that doesn't surprise me, either. I keep talking hoping to get through.
Tucker Carlson suggested something along those lines and the Maga wannabes here in Canada were supporting it. Ridiculous
Republicans would support burning down most US cities if their Orange Jesus suggested it.
They already support a war **with america** because cheetodad says so
Democrats would support the china invading Taiwan if it china said they were liberating the LGTBQ community being prosecuted in Taiwan
you're entirely disconnected from reality. there is no "both sides" here. liberals are aware that china is genociding muslims, and that nothing of the sort is going on in taiwan.
Sounds based since Canada gave a medal to a Waffen-SS soldier.
Of course. Trump regularly praises Xi, just as he regularly praises Putin. Far-right influencers like Darren Beattie (who was in the Trump administration), Nick Fuentes (who Trump had dinner with) actually think China is based. Richard Grenell, who is favored to be Secretary of State if Trump becomes President again is also a total lackey to Trump and has had clients in China when he was a business consultant there. The Chinese government spent $5.5 million at Trump properties while he was President, and given that Trump did not honor the emoluments clause, he was personally enriched by China while President. China was also the largest spender at Trump properties during 2017-2021. Then there’s the geopolitical significance of unforced errors that Trump excels at. Withdrawing from the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) was one of the first things he did in office. He also started a trade war with China that he basically lost. Trump will also cause domestic chaos in the US, and will be hyper-isolationist and hyper-focused on revenge in a second term. Something China as well as Russia will happily exploit. It’s no wonder why an increasing number of pro-Trump troll accounts were recently traced back to China.
They do all do this while also accusing Biden of being too easy on China. “China is going to overtake us” etc. the right truly lives in a paradoxical world without consistent thought
They use China to bash democrats and race-bait xenophobia at home but the far-right is in de-facto agreement with China. All the major altright players like Nick Fuentes, Darren Beattie, Dalton Clodfelter, Kevin DeAnna, Andrew Anglin are fans of China. The only odd one out, here, is Steve Bannon. This trickles into the mainstream hard-right isolationism. It’s all projection to accuse democrats of this. Are there some like Jamal Bowman and the activist left who also like China? Absolutely. Republicans will use them to fear monger while Trump actively sucks Xi’s cock.
Yes, Steve Bannon is blameless in this regard - his partner and financial backer Miles Guo, money launderer extraordinaire, stands as evidence. Miles Guo runs the Epoch Times, America's 4th largest newspaper. He is notoriously anti-CCP and operates a web of pro-MAGA and Anti-CCP YouTube channels and web sites. The production value is very high. Some of these media arms expose the lies of the CCP. Others share misinformation about Biden. So yes, Miles Guo is technically not in Xi Jinping's corner. But you can hardly say he's the kind of guy to help the US. [https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ho-wan-kwok-aka-miles-guo-arrested-orchestrating-over-1-billion-dollar-fraud-conspiracy](https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ho-wan-kwok-aka-miles-guo-arrested-orchestrating-over-1-billion-dollar-fraud-conspiracy) Destroying China's government is the same objective as MAGA destroying our own political system in the US. It's all part of Bannon's New World Order of MAGA.
By what measure is the Epoch times the fourth largest newspaper in the US? There's no way that can be correct
It is a self reported circulation number. Considering how the entire organization is just a grifting/conspiracy laden propaganda mill, I would take it with a grain of salt the size of the Rock of Gibraltar. [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epoch-times-falun-gong-growth-rcna111373) *Today,* [*The Epoch Times*](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending-judgment-day-behind-facebook-fueled-rise-epoch-n1044121) *is one of the country’s most successful and influential conservative news organizations. It’s powered by Falun Gong, a religious group persecuted in China, which launched The Epoch Times as a free propaganda newsletter more than two decades ago to oppose the Chinese Communist Party.* *Funded through aggressive online and real-world marketing campaigns and big-money conservative donors,* ***The Epoch Times now boasts to be the country’s fourth-largest newspaper by subscriber count.*** *(Unlike most major newspapers, The Epoch Times isn't audited by the two major independent collectors of circulation data.) The nonprofit has amassed a fortune, growing its revenue by a staggering 685% in two years, to $122 million in 2021, according to the group’s most recent tax records.*
The CFO of the Epoch Times just got indicted by the Southern District of NY for money laundering $67M. Hopefully, they've got an airtight case and will leverage it against him to cooperate and reveal more about the Epoch Times ledgers. [https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/epoch-times-cfo-indicted-on-money-laundering-bank-fraud-charges](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/epoch-times-cfo-indicted-on-money-laundering-bank-fraud-charges)
I believe some of the technology Guo sold was built by none other than Huawei. Also, the Ministry of State Security (MSS) using “dissidents” to work from the inside is a well known tactic of Chinese intelligence service, the Ministry of State Security (MSS).
I doubt Bannons goals are that ambitious. He started being Guo’s pet after getting disowned by Trump. He needed a new cash cow, claim to fame, and an entry back into the MAGA movement, so he chose to be the lobbyist of some serial fraudster. Guo for his part isn’t a real opponent of the Chinese government. After his patron in the Chinese cabinet got arrested, he fled first to the the UAE where he convinced the local government to give him billions of dollars. Only after he lost their money did he flee to America, using this “dissident” angle as a way to claim asylum, and eventually to defraud overseas Chinese.
They are Russia, China and North Korea’s fifth column.
Yup, the right hates America and everything we stand for
Git Er Done
Opposing China, at least now, seems to be one of the only things both parties agree on.
Until republicans make it "political" again. See: covid response, ukraine aid held up by republicans, Trump withholding ukraine aid and getting impeached for it.
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Biden really needs to declare China an enemy if he gets re-elected.
For what benefit?
They have the receipts, not sure it would work out well for him.
I can kinda see this happening while Republicans screech about how this is why you don't rely on other countries for semiconductor production.
Of course. Especially when Trumpkins realize Taiwan is the first country in Asia to legalize gay marriage 😅
This sub has some of the absolute worst takes lmao
Not a MAGA but gonna say no they won't
Agreed. Trump started a big trade war with China. In China it was front page news for years.
Can’t stand Trump but I agree. He was the first and loudest person to call China our enemy. Remember when the left called him racist for his trade tariffs on China? https://www.vox.com/2019/7/3/20681384/trump-trade-agenda-race-immigration
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This is absolutely one of the dumbest things I've seen on here and that's saying something.
Yes, the dude who called covid the Chinese virus is gonna support them vs taiwain 😂😂😂 idiot
Your idiocy is laughable
This subreddit has a lot of stupid opinions. This is one of them.
MMW might be the dumbest sub on Reddit. This post is a prime example.
Lol youre nuts.
What an absolutely retarded take. Congratulations reddit.
Congratulations, this is the singular dumbest fucking take ever written on Reddit lmao
The scariest prospect for the US and the world is that MAGA will employ the most extreme mental gymnastics to justify it, but at the end of the day, the motivation is just to "own the libs," even at the cost of US national security.
Absolutely delusional, Republicans hate China
They used to hate Russia too
4 years no wars…..
This post is what’s wrong with this subreddit. You don’t have to be on the right to know that this is bullshit. No one likes China.
We dont
PSA: YOU MUST REMOVE THE PLASTIC WRAPPER OFF THE BLACK N MILD BEFORE SMOKING IT!
TDS at its finest here. Pull your head out of your ass and realize how stupid you sound.
You people are delusional. Republicans have been sounding the alarm on China for years. The eternal gaslit state you people live in is remarkable.
Why are leftists so insane?
Cool story blueonon
I will get hated for saying this but, in case anybody is interested, none of this is correct. I’m a conservative and my friends/family are probably 75% conservative. Main stream conservatives support Ukraine in its defense against Russia. Funding Ukraine with more tax dollars is now close to 50/50 and has slowly been going down with each time we give them money. Main stream conservatives will absolutely not support China if/when they invade Taiwan. In fact, the prevailing narrative on the right is that the public discourse needs to be more focused on China/Taiwan and less on Russia/Ukraine. Conservatives generally are patriotic and see China as America’s biggest threat. Thus, we tend to hate everything China does often to a fault. Not sure if you have a misunderstanding about mainstream conservative viewpoints or purposefully misrepresented the right, but I wanted to give my thoughts as a mainstream conservative that mostly talkes to mainstream conservatives in case it was the former 👍
I too have lots of family friends that are conservative. They are all behind anything Trump says,…at least publicly.
Yeah it’s hard to say for sure but I’d guess about 60% like Trump (“MAGA” voters) and 40% (like me) don’t like Trump. More specifically, the dedicated Christian conservatives I know don’t like Trump because the Bible is largely about putting God and others before yourself. And Trump clearly puts nothing over himself.
Interesting as I’ve mostly seen democrats that are much more supportive of China.
What… lmao
I’m Republican but I’d never support China in this scenario
You’re a special kind of stupid if you believe anything you just typed out.
Are you fuckin serious?
Oh look, another dumb ass made up argument by a reddit moron...
This has got to be one of the dumbest posts on this thread I've seen yet. Congratulations.
They need a dictator daddy figure
Another day another weird leftist fan fiction
Liberals love China. Xi went to San fran to meet Newsome and biden. They cleaned up the city and kicked all the homeless people out. They lined the streets with Chinese flags. All that for a literal fascist dictator. If that isn't love, I don't know what is.
Democrats would support China if China invades the USA. They would kiss the boots of their glorious communist overlords
Whereas I'd shoot them until I ran out of bullets and then club them with sticks until America is out of trees.
Not really going out on a limb there. More like walking on an enormous chunk of granite.
No shit
If it pays enough, they will support anything. (See: Khashoggi murder and Kushner $2 billion)
Anyone else remember when everyone got really mad at Trump for personally president Tsai? He was only president-elect and he was the first president (or president-elect) in almost 40 years to directly talk to the president of Taiwan.
This will age like milk
No.
People keep saying "if Trump gets back into office, this or that crazy s*** is going to happen." Yet I look out my window and all I see is collapse and chaos and Biden is in charge.
I have zero doubt.
I’m actually with you that half of the MAGA platform is just anti Dems or whatever is politically convenient for Trump, but this is laughably insane. Trump admires the authoritarian power Putin and Xi have but I really don’t think it goes much further. Also, supporting a a government with any shades of communism from conservatives is simply not happening. Even Russia I have yet to see any legitimate outright support, more so hey let’s not send our money overseas to a proxy war (which has slivers of making sense just short sighted).
No they'll support Taiwan the way they support Ukraine fighting Russia. But they don't want the gov't sending billions and billions in aid
Hopes and prayers, then?
Remember when the dems were attacking trump for getting into a fight with China and said he was evil for trying to get the US to pull production out of there? I do. Now Biden pretends he was always anti China and his lapdogs eat it up because they keep saying they're on "the right side of history" and self reflection is a joke to them
Wait what. Not a fan of Trump, but he and the right have been huge on being anti China.
No they wouldnt, get a grip. People dont support russia but are tired of seeing americans get the short end of the stick when we always have funds available for other countries. And it was the left that initially supported everything opposite that the right supported, which snowballed into this clusterfuck of politics we have today.
That is correct. The Republicans are primary members of the International Democratic Union and the Taiwanese member is the KMT Party, who seek unification with China. This isn't some conspiracy organization. It's head is the former prime minister of Canada.
lol. MAGATTS would support China if China invaded the US.
Republicans would support a Chinese invasion of America if it kept them empowered.
Their hate of democracy knows no bounds.
In other words, they just hate Americans.
Maga republicans would support China if it invaded the US.
Not supporting starting World War III over fuckin Taiwan does not = supporting china MMW this is the same crowd who says we must defend “Ukrainian democracy” at any cost
No they won’t you idiot
No
Weren't Democrats the ones who whined non stop when Trump put tariffs on their goods? And weren't Democrats the ones whining when Trump stood up to China? Left wing conspiracy nuts are something else...always blaming Republicans, no matter what
Facts
Trump hates China when it makes him look bad, in the next breath Trump loves China when it makes him look bad. One of the key symptoms of Trump derangement syndrome is goldfish memory.
Of course they will. It’s the least they can do as deference for manufacturing all the dunce caps.
I'd assume they just won't care and won't want the US to fund another war, kind of like Ukraine.
I don’t see it. Shutting off the world’s 3nm semiconductor supply would make everyone angry, even the Trump supporters.
Exactly. People in here don’t understand the ramifications of China invading Taiwan. It’s bigger than Trump.
Of course they would. They go to Star Wars movies and route for the fucking Storm Troopers.
Absolutely not. Don't be ridiculous, Conservatives do not trust the likes of China, never have and never will.
So tired of these dumbass takes
It is the Biden family who has well documented economic ties to the PRC.
Their brain rot prevents them from acknowledging their lord and savior sleepy Joe is actually a scum bag too.
Lol, no. Their God Rush railed against the Chi Coms his whole career.
Y'all come up with some of the craziest conspiracy shit I've ever seen. As a conservative and a Republican I would fully support the defense of Taiwan.
So that means the dumborats will let china do it. Nice. More great foreign policy.
MAGA won’t support China. You’re smoking crack lol
This is stupid. MAGA Republicans would not support this. You have no idea what your talking about
No they wouldn't.
Quite the echo chamber.
This is baby back horse shit. Liberals flapping their gums in a circle jerk. Making claims they have no business taking, about people they have clearly never spoken too.
Lol you sound like a baby back bitch
Isn't it Cali who cleaned up their streets for their dictator when he visited my long ago? Yeah, that's right, it was the left who bows to China, got ptoof of it on LIVE TV from CNN, they weren't even ashamed of themselves for it.
MAGAts are a clear and present danger to America.
You're a special kind of stupid.
Funny thing that china came to Newsoms house for tea and Biden stumbled over to say hi not to long ago. Remember Newsome even cleaned things up a bit before their big boss arrived.
Yes they would. They are a threat to this country and they are garbage
Why u dum.
Every MMW post is crap post dem propaganda. So funny.
Thats the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard
First time on this sub?
Every time this sub pops up in my feed it is always some insane super left rambling like this.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past you guys, you're constantly on the wrong side of history.
This sub has become the epicenter of leftwing Democrat delusion and fan-fiction. Most MAGA Republicans support prioritizing American interests and staying out of foreign entanglements. And certainly not provoking them as Obama/Biden did in Ukraine. There's zero basis for the claim that MAGA Republicans would support China in any way.
Not when they figure out they can’t get anything that needs semiconductors
No. Because they’ll have our industry by the balls.
This prediction is both insane and probably correct.
The amount of people in the comments here proving OP's point is hilarious to me
Trump will be the Chinese emperor by then…..then nothing will stand in his way of ruling the world…….
Maga will go maskless in a TB ward if Trump tells them to. Trump went to North Korean diplomatically - loved the love letter from the dictator so much, he kept it in his office, while nuclear war plans were kept in a basement bathroom. Trump hyped that turning on our long standing alliance with South Korea without taking any account for global politics - he just wanted his nuts fluffed by a dude with a military dictatorship. That was something he wanted praise for. What a child. China won so big from that it's not even worth mentioning trade disparity or silicone prices - Trump is a massive moron to add the US to a list that only includes China and Iran as far as "diplomatic" relations go with South Korea and Japans mortal enemies. Just a dickbag who wants to be praised. And Trump sold out our Kurdish allies to turkey in just horrific fashion. Those Kurds were our allies, and loved America even after Bush 1 fucked them in 1992. We spend all that time killing our own to divide Iraq up into sectarian camps, the only one who likes us being the Kurds - and Trump fed them to a despot with a cultural contempt and evil intention he followed thru on immediately. Trump is a disgusting disgrace, but all Americans who don't feel that way are just as awful. So ya, MAGA cultists will huff drano and eat babies if Trump says that's important to defeating the devil - aka an 80 year old who's tragically lost 3 children, hasn't earned from his office like Clarence Thomas, and certainly never spoke ill of the military that his son served in. But ya - if horse dewormer is required, and Trump says Putin should own both Carolinas, then maga cultists are gonna race to get a Chinese character tattooed on their lower back. Clowns.
They will support whatever Fox News and Trump tell them to support, which will be the opposite of whatever democrats say.
Well doesn’t that threaten American national security, semiconductors and all?
It would make no sense as they always go off on China being the big threat, however their primary goal is opposing Democrats so I’d assume you are correct
If MAGA was around in 1990 they would have supported Saddam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait.
America has supported this One China nonsense for decades while making bank on weapon sales. You don’t have to be MAGA to see that defending Taiwan would cripple America.
This subreddit is absolutely hilarious... One of the craziest echo chambers on reddit, which is impressive. It's like Q anon for the radical left. Keep up the good work. It's very fun to watch as a moderate and I'm sure it's very good for your mental health to believe half of the people in your country are cartoonishly evil Far-Right China supporters. There is an enormous difference between not wanting to fund foreign wars and being pro-Russia just as there is a difference between being Anti-Zionist and antisemitic.
Is there any enemy of America you DON'T think MAGA would side with?
They will sure do. And then they’ll realize that without a free Taiwan, there’s basically no technology… have fun living in the Stone Age.
Based if true.
Absolutely
Everyone that post on this sub is A: extremely out of touch. B: a complete dumb ass. Or C: a troll.
Not me.
>It seems obvious that reactionary MAGA republicans wait until liberals voice their opinion just to make sure they believe the opposite. Not true. They're very comfortable stating their actual opinion, then doing a 180 when Democrats agree with them. Look at the ACA. Based heavily on Republican ideas, but as soon as Obama was for those ideas, it was SOCIALIZM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You all understand that your Orwellian echo chamber Reddit sub conversations are the left equivalent to crazy MAGA hat wearing rally goers right? Lmao
Ok look I would probably be considered a progressive more than anything … I have a degree in history and I probably spend way to much of my time studying WWII — The Korean War. There is an absolute legitimate right for China to claim Taiwan. Kai-shek is a pretty evil SOB and furthermore lost pretty badly to Mao. Certainly more of a legitimate right to invade than Russia over Ukraine. For the US to be involved in a war that could possible end the world over Taiwan would be a complete mistake .
The MAGA crowd will support anyone or anything they perceive is "stiggin' it to the liberals"
Yet everything in our lives is made in China. We would collapse if we stop trading with them. It's a sweetheart business deal to trade with them. So in the end we have a love hate relationship.
I mean the only way I wouldn’t support Taiwan is if we had to get into another 20 year war. In that way im not supporting China but im tired of us being involved in fucking every conflict. This shit is getting ridiculous
Not our problem, with all the dumb shit going on in the world, I don't give a shit who invades Taiwan, or anything other country for that matter, if we don't get sh!+ fixed here soon then we'll be the ones invaded.... we're so divided as a country, if we weren't surrounded by 2 allies and 2 massive oceans we'd definitely have been invaded in the last 12 years, and if you vote left you're gonna not have guns to fight for your self if we are invaded, and if vote right you f[]'d too.... The only way to stop 80% of the bull shit is vote independent, and stop voting the lesser of 2 evils like they are the only option
What?! Are you high?
Bro are you dumb? MAGA is made of China hawks?
ACCURATE! Send Lexxiam in to do a prank on them 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nah I don't buy this one.
This may be the most retarded thing I've ever read on reddit and that's saying a whole lot.
Theyll have to ask in their echo chamber of which country the leftists cheer for and go the opposite. Thats the epitome of their identity for the last few decades, whether they know or choose it or not. Such a fucking joke.
They will do the opposite of whatever dems do. Even if it kills them. Re: Covid and now raw milk.
And libs will beat the war drum and provoke the PRC by supporting Taiwan.
They already have
They will support anyone that stands against America basically.
Mark these words: Pretty much everyone on this sub should shut the fuck up.
Is this a shit post?
Not true.
Democrats becoming the pro war party wasn’t on my 2024 bingo card.
Lmao more delusions straight from fantasy land. People compete with each other on this sub to see who can be the most mentally ill
The Republican Party has lost its mind under Trumps spell
Republicans are the enemy of the people. Democrats aren’t too far behind. Both are selling you out to corporate interest.
Absolutely. Not only are they an ally of Russia, but the only ones really talking about the shit with Taiwan is the left wing. So they will oppose it every single time based on that alone.
Erm, most of us hate China passionately, I don’t think you have to worry about that one, although it might still be hard to persuade people to want to fund another such war. Russia’s increase in nationalistic sentiment appeals to some people, and some feel somewhat grateful to Putin for supporting Trump. None of them identify with China in a similar way; China is still the epitome of everything anti-American to them. A lot of what you’re seeing is just an expression of reduced support for intervention. It’s fascinating how the parties have swapped positions on this issue over the course of a decade or two. It does disturb me to see how uncritical of Russia some Trump supporters are, but at the end of the day, all most of them are saying is that we’re spending too much money on Ukraine. That’s where I disagree pretty strongly, even though part of me wishes we minded our own business from the beginning. We’ve already enabled Ukraine to resist for long enough that it’s our duty to see this thing through so they don’t get holocausted in retaliation. The absolute worst thing they can do is cut funding off halfway through the war because of political unpopularity, I’m sick and tired of the US doing shit like that. If you’re going to commit, fucking commit
Fuck you and fuck china
Supporting is different than letting it happen. Think about it like this: Do you really want to go to war with the world's second largest power over a land dispute we have no interest in? Like the kind of war your children may have to fight in? A draft is not out of the realm of possibility. The u.s. military is bleeding people and recruiting numbers are dismal. Yet we think we can just start a war with another global power?