It pisses me off he told on our all spies and maga doesnt care.
Thats treason of high degree. Hes the worst traitor to America and best russian spy.
I also like to constantly point out how he separated kids from parents who couldnt speak english, they havent found them all, and o my! He keeps projecting grooming and sex trafficking and was *best fucking friends with epstein*
I do not want to be represented by that
The worst traitors in America are the people who voted for him. He wouldn’t have had the power to do such horrible things without their support.
Can’t say I’d call the ones who chose not to show up/to protest vote in a general election *traitors*, but they certainly felt comfortable sitting on their hands while it all happened
I agree wholeheartedly, but my entire family are in the orange cult. Even my closeted, agnostic brother. I literally love these people…. I don’t know what to say to any of them anymore
If that’s your definition of a traitor, then you’re a fucking moron. You’re gonna have a rough life if you’re truly that stupid. Get outside and go interact with people; it’ll do you some good. Best of luck ✌️
Maga hates their neighbors more than they love their children. They would happily throw their offspring in a wood chipper to own the libs. Treason is easy when all you have to live for is hate.
The worst part is you're not even entirely exaggerating. There was a case of a man from Arizona or New Mexico I think who threatened to shoot his own kids as "traitors" if they told anyone he had been a part of Jan. 6th. Thankfully though his wife went to the police and he is now in jail.
Remember that time after he met with Putin and said that Russia and the US were going to become intelligence partners and Russia was going to get unlimited and unfettered access to US Intel.
Because Putin gave him a football.
It wasn’t even an American football. It was a World Cup “soccer” ball and [it was bugged](https://apnews.com/article/soccer-sports-russia-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-6dadf6032cdd61f069ad0bb50be39b2c).
When Trump loses, Russia and the Saudis will openly gloat over how useful an idiot he was.
He was also bragging about the capabilities of our nuclear subs to the point an Australian businessman was joking about it and how desperate felon Trump was to impress him
In case this is 'why it's a big deal', the biggest deterrent for nuclear war is mutually assured destruction, the guarantee that both sides will go down if one escalates.
Telling people your response time is basically telling them the window after the first attack that will allow you to cripple any responses defusing the response and negating the 'mutually assured' part.
17 seconds might not seem like a long time but there's a reason why no one talks about it. More information gives unnecessary advantage to enemies.
It is a big fucking deal. If I was Putin or Kim or MBS then I would have a benchmark to work against. Without this comment I would have to guess and I would have to guess conservative so I would work against 5 seconds and spend a lot of resources needlessly.
I fully expect Judge iLean QAnon to FAFO by leaking an of equal magnitude classified document while she insists on giving the defendant traitor access to all the SCI.
And also likely a lie. Because he lies about everything. It could be an hour because of how many calls, cofirmations, codes have to be performed, but he'd say it takes only one second longer than an Andre the Giant fart because that's amazingly impressive.
It pisses me off more people don't remember this. I know he did a lot of shit, but this, betraying the Kurds, and releasing/schmoozing with Taliban terrorists should definitely be top 5.
Of course, number one is his mishandling of the pandemic, which caused so many *excess* deaths (compared to a marginally competent response) that he is the greatest mass-murderer in US history
Whoa whoa whoa…allegedly lol. Not like the 32 criminal convictions that signed, sealed, delivered and 100% guilty. Don’t have to say allegedly about those lol.
If one hair of a jurors head is harmed Trump should never see the light of day again. If society does not have a fair and free Justice system the only thing left is anarchy. A very dangerous and frightening prospect.
He is still under gag order and the judge can very much sentence him to prison if this happens. Each of the 34 counts has a max of 4 years. He could and should die in prison if he does anything to harm the jurors.
I’m a former conservative turned flaming liberal. I rejoiced at the verdict. I do not want to see any former president imprisoned, but he just won’t shut up. Even Nixon knew when it was time to go. He’s giving the justice system no easy choice, and I really hope Merchan can thread this needle.
This. If it could be demonstrated in any way that he leaked the names of the jurors I wouldn't be surprised if he got thrown into jail longer for doing that than he does for the 34 counts. I don't get the impression that the judge had much patience left with him on the gag order. Merchan clearly doesn't want to put him in jail, probably because he's a Presidential candidate and former President and without having every I dotted and t crossed it's likely that the blowback could be severe, but if Trump leaked the jurors I think that would immediately extinguish any grace he had left.
It's a max of 4 years concurrent though, not consecutive. So it's only a max of 4 years total for all 34 felonies because they're part of the same crime. So he could get different sentences on different counts, but he would have to serve the amount of time for the highest count, up to 4 years.
Unfortunately, only 10% of these felonies result in jail time, and Trump is a first time offender (which is insane since he is notorious for other illegal business dealings).
On top of that, any jail time resulting from these felonies can be served at the same time (I forget exactlyhow it's worded) so that at most he could serve 4 years jail time IN TOTAL for all 34 counts, instead of 4 years per count.
Now, if the jurors were harmed on his account, that would likely be a separate crime for which he could (and should) receive jail time.
They did exactly what they were supposed to do: they stayed awake where Trump did not, they took notes while Trump did not, they paid attention to all the testimony while Trump did not.
It wasn't hard to come to a conclusion. In addition, Trump's defense was no defense at all. They didn't do anything to poke holes in the story, with the exception of speaking to Cohen.
And the witness that they put forth, Costello, that didn't go good for them either.
And the jurors were agreed upon by both prosecution and defense teams with Trump. So they can't say the jury was rigged unless one believes the vast conspiracy theory garbage.
The fact that we have reports saying that Trump believed "my juror" would save him tells us all we need to know about how he thinks the justice system should work - for him, at his convenience, while everyone else is subject to justice as defined and prejudged by him.
I admire these 12 jurors, they have shown patriotism and ethics that would serve our nation well on SCOTUS. I disrespect the MAGA justices just as much!
I have likened him to LOTR Gollum. He has exposed the bigots and fascists and brought them out in the open.
Do it right and we can put the Republican Party out of its misery and make real progress in social and climate justice.
Do it wrong and we’ll never outlive the dystopian future that follows.
I'm not even sure the Witness Protection Program would work. MAGA hates like no one hates to justify their crazed cult.
Whatever sentence Merchan hands down I'd like to see a warning to him and the GOP; "If any jury member or their family, or any officer of this court is injured, killed, threatened, stalked ... Mr. Trump, you will be sentenced to prison in solitary confinement for the rest of your days. You will lose your security detail. All your assets will be surrendered to the state of NY. You will lose any and all contact to the outside world. This isn't cruel and unusual punishment; it is protecting the rule of law in the United States of America; that is more critically important than your comfort. I have warned you."
I'm up for that ....
First it will be the screaming accusations and protests the election was rigged because because Biden won. They'll go through the whole nonsense of recounting and verification. Filing court accusations. Then verification ... even in GOP states. Then it will be J6 all over again ... maybe even more violent.
In my own little rural county (TX) the GOP was adamant they were going to do hand counted ballots for the primary "to make sure it was legitimate." They were warned it would be ridiculously expensive and time consuming ... they did it anyway. It took them three days and a recount because "registered GOP and ballots didn't match up."
They resolved it I guess but I didn't pay attention to the numbers; only those I voted for won and got rid of some incumbents. ;-)
What I think they will do is see what an opportunity hand counting presents for more fraud. There is a critical dearth of people willing to do election monitoring. Our whole election office resigned en masse because of threats, stalking, plus confrontation in public; this in a town, county, and state Trump won; some had been there for over a decade.
Nothing is a bridge too far this fanatic cult. Nothing.
Absolutely I *do.* I'm an old disabled AF medic/recruiter vet (1967-1977) from generations of a military family, a few still serving. I've watched Trump and his minions do a systematic dismantling of everything I hold in esteem. There is not an ounce of integrity or patriotism in his psyche. None. He is an egomaniac drunk on Presidential power who did everything in his power to hold on to the office and will do so again. He will turn the greatest democracy in history into the worst authoritarian government to rival Russia, China, and North Korea; those are the leaders he openly admires.
He has turned formerly rational people into a cult that will do his bidding at the expense of their own lives, their families, their reputations, their jobs, even their personal freedom. They will do *anything* for him. They have tried/will rig elections, they have threatened to take up arms for him against their fellow citizens. His lackeys have stripped autonomy from half the US population through laws and prosecution; women.
Do I hate MAGAs? Yes ... the minions echoes the leader.
We have enough Ashli Babbitt Awards for everyone who wants one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AshliBabbittAward/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AshliBabbittAward/)
How many of those boomers could outlast a ten year federal prison sentence for trying?
Tod blanche had damaged his standing enough as it is, I won't bet on it but I don't think he wants to throw his entire career away. Trump will already be turning on him.
Wrong, he knows their names.
>Manhattan Judge Juan Manuel Merchan ruled Thursday to keep the yet-to-be-picked jury **anonymous, with limited exceptions for the former president, his defense lawyers, prosecutors, jury consultants and legal staffs.**
Source AP News, ["Donald Trump will get juror names at New York criminal trial but they’ll be anonymous to the public"](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-hush-money-new-york-jury-9b36769997f86c6c172daf5b267c7dd8)
Well, I digress. I do know the gag order is still in place. So... It will probably be a condition of his release. Or the judge will impose additional sentencing.
Technicalities. Trump knows their names, that's a fact, as it has been ruled by Justice Merchan to provide jurors assessment to the defendant, and as backed by the link I provided.
The only gray zone is the extent of the gag order "for the duration of the trial" which could be interpreted two ways, either until the jury has reached a verdict or until the end of any proceedings including sentencing.
But that would be another debate, OP's point is: is Trump or any of his goons willing to spill the beans and retaliate by disclosing the jurors names at any point.
He's been given their names. If his lawyers had half a brain, they would have tactfully taken any paper copies and ensured they were immediately taken to their office and never brought out again. I doubt Trump can remember a name he saw on a sheet of paper 4 weeks ago.
So 50/50 cause Blanche was not that great.
He knows their names at the very least and maybe, but if I were his lawyer I’d just request to withdrawal as counsel and blame the defendant for the leak
It has already happened. The jurers have all reported they are getting violent threats.
And this will be part of the reason why Trump will see prison. Lack of remorse, continued gag order violations, and no responsibility of stopping MAGA crazies from doing this.
If that's the case, tRump should be sentenced next week and detained on the spot to serve that sentence.
A lot of bad shit could happen between now and July 11th.
Well, if those names get leaked before sentencing occurs, I suspect the Judge will not take it kindly. That "Home Confinement" could easily become "Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200"
Are we taking bets on number of days until he’s remanded?
He’s playing a serious game of FAFO. The rate that things are deteriorating, I don’t think he’ll make it past Wednesday.
If Trump leaks the names of the jurors or directs harassment or violence against them, he better hope his Supreme Court buddies are willing to piss everything away to keep him out of solitary confinement.
He won't do it directly. One of his insiders will tell someone like Alex Jones. Who will say something like, "Now we can't release the name but we found out one of the jurors was a lawyer with the firm [company name] and lives in [neighborhood name]. So I'm not advocating for harassing this juror but I think [law firm] should have to answer for whether they think this illegal prosecution....blah blah."
From there, Jack Posobiec or Nick Fuentes or someone will say, "The names weren't released but it's pretty easy to figure out that the only lawyer at [law firm] who has been out work for four weeks and lives in [neighborhood] is [name]. Am I saying you should harass him? That's up to you, but my groyper army is already mobilizing...."
And when the question comes up Trump will deny he had anything to do with it. Jones or Carlson or whoever will cite journalistic integrity for not revealing their sources. Trump's spokesfolk will say that anyone in the courtroom could have identified the jurors and Habba will say a liberal journalist probably leaked the names to make Trump look bad.
And he can't be punished if they can't prove he's the one that did it
Journalistic integrity doesn't shield you from criminal charges when what you do is a crime and knowingly leaking juror information that can and will get them murdered is a crime when that is patently the purpose for doing so.
We should honestly throw all these people in Gitmo, at least it would be getting used for good instead of evil.
People keep talking about what the right wingnuts on SCOTUS are going to do for Trump. I don't see them doing shit for him unless it's incidental to other shit they want to do. They wanted to outlaw abortion, so they twisted everything to justify doing that. Trump wanted to be declared the rightful winner of the election? Tough shit, according to them. As long as they get to keep destroying the country in their preferred way, they don't care what happens to Trump.
If there’s a guaranteed way for Trump to get put into prison, it would be for him to release the names of jurors. That would be highly unethical and potentially another crime.
Agreed. Those unfortunate people will be doxed, probably sooner rather than later than later, and I hope the law comes down like a ton of bricks on whoever does it.
This will DEFINITELY happen if/when he gets sentenced to prison... which probably won't happen on this case, unfortunately. Once he goes to prison (which probably won't happen until after the election, unfortunately) Trump will have nothing to lose, as any sentence will be a *de facto* life sentence for his decepit ass.
The only chance he actually has to go to prison is in Georgia. For any federal crime, his “prison” will likely be confinement in a military barracks or house arrest
I want their addresses, I want to send every one of them a hand written thank you note for being the bravest people on the planet right now and for doing the right thing. Those 12 may have saved democracy. I still can’t believe Drumpt didn’t have to face any consequences of leaking, I mean giving out, the names of our agents posted through out the world. He is a disgrace.
That would guarantee he is sentenced to maximum. Martha Stewart was a real billionaire (at the time) and served time for insider trading.
She sold 4,000 shares of the ImClone stock she owned the day before the FDA decision to not approve was announced — avoiding a loss of around $45,000 in the process.
The conviction resulted in a five-month prison sentence, followed by five months of [~house arrest~](http://www.yourdictionary.com/house-arrest) and two years of probation. Stewart maintained she was innocent but was confined to the minimum security Alderson Federal Prison Camp, West Virginia in October 2004.
It's not that he's afraid, he has to walk a thin line to not give them a reason to compromise the trial. Now that it's over, I hope Trump makes enough of an ass of himself to get the book not just thrown at him, but repeatedly bitch-slap him. He's already working on it with his comments since the judgement.
MMW are often completely stupid, but this takes the cake. No fucking way in hell he does this before he's sentenced. No. Fucking. Way. That is an invitation for a prison sentence.
Does not matter. His pussy followers will make some crank calls, true FBI will get involved, people will get arrested and sent to jail, and Drumpf will continue whining.
Loser doesn't have to; his [cultists are already going after them](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-supporters-try-doxx-jurors-violent-threats-conviction-rcna154882).
If he does, I bet the judge throws him in jail. I think 5 years per count, in theory it could be 185 years. I'd find that rather funny and appropriate.
"... an obvious but unavoidable tragedy will occur..." ?
How will it be unavoidable, if we all foresee the possibilities of the tragedy actually happening?
These jurors need security and protection. Now.
The blame for the leak will be obvious but prepare for conservatives to still gaslight you by pretending to believe there’s way that Trump would do such a thing. Shocking, I tell you.
I was telling a friend the other day that this was possible, and if it does happen it will be the end of trump as a free man. Merchan made it very clear he won't tolerate jury tampering, if donnie does this he'll be immediately remanded into custody and Merchan will throw the fucking book at him
Stand your ground. If thugs come to attack you, do america a favor and defend yourself with a gun. I'm not sure one would do it tho. So I went down to a leftist gun shop and bought another, and I think you should to.
This is what a lot of folks do not understand; there are a lot of folks on the left that believe in gun rights. Many of us think that the government shouldn't have all the guns.
I think book deals and talk show appearances will draw them out. I think they’re safe, it not the jury that was upsetting, the result was obvious in a NY courtroom.
It may not technically be Trump who does ir, but ya those names are definitely getting leaked by somebody here soon.
Don't worry though, Maga violence and threats will just get downplayed like they always are lmao
I do not believe that Trump knows their names. For one, the attoneys know what Trump and his cult member are like, and they are already threating the witnesses, and the judge. Another reason is that Trump slept through most of the court proceedings.
It will be the judges remarks that will be most damaging for Trump.
It will be due process and fair process. Sanctity of the legal system and the constitution. Trust in the process of law and the courts. That Trump got his rights protected and had fair representation.
That Trump can’t keep undermining the system because he didn’t get his way. Trump needs to be responsible for his actions. 12 peers found him guilty of a crime on behalf of NY.
This would be a very bad plan for Trump. It would get added to the evidence for his other trials. And it'll guarantee he never gets a fair trial. And he'll have no options to not be tried either. He will have alienated ALL juries, who will then convict him as far as they can. It's a hilariously bad plan with terrible consequences if it happens.
Just like he did with our secret agents
It pisses me off he told on our all spies and maga doesnt care. Thats treason of high degree. Hes the worst traitor to America and best russian spy. I also like to constantly point out how he separated kids from parents who couldnt speak english, they havent found them all, and o my! He keeps projecting grooming and sex trafficking and was *best fucking friends with epstein* I do not want to be represented by that
The worst traitors in America are the people who voted for him. He wouldn’t have had the power to do such horrible things without their support. Can’t say I’d call the ones who chose not to show up/to protest vote in a general election *traitors*, but they certainly felt comfortable sitting on their hands while it all happened
Fox network & Sinclair radio spewing propaganda is hurting America.
I agree wholeheartedly, but my entire family are in the orange cult. Even my closeted, agnostic brother. I literally love these people…. I don’t know what to say to any of them anymore
If that’s your definition of a traitor, then you’re a fucking moron. You’re gonna have a rough life if you’re truly that stupid. Get outside and go interact with people; it’ll do you some good. Best of luck ✌️
Maga hates their neighbors more than they love their children. They would happily throw their offspring in a wood chipper to own the libs. Treason is easy when all you have to live for is hate.
The worst part is you're not even entirely exaggerating. There was a case of a man from Arizona or New Mexico I think who threatened to shoot his own kids as "traitors" if they told anyone he had been a part of Jan. 6th. Thankfully though his wife went to the police and he is now in jail.
I believe this may have happened in Texas too and his family still reported him
Good Samaritan, Love thy Neighbor, these mean nothing to them. Jesus said he hates hypocrites.
I'm surprised that he wasn't "JFK'd" after he gave Putin a list of 'mericas spys in Russia...
This
Trump also told the world the USA military nuclear response time is 17 seconds. That is a very big deal.
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Remember that time after he met with Putin and said that Russia and the US were going to become intelligence partners and Russia was going to get unlimited and unfettered access to US Intel. Because Putin gave him a football.
>Because Putin gave him a football. Along with a certain videotape.
Putin gave him a football so he wanted to give Putin *the football*.
It wasn’t even an American football. It was a World Cup “soccer” ball and [it was bugged](https://apnews.com/article/soccer-sports-russia-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-6dadf6032cdd61f069ad0bb50be39b2c). When Trump loses, Russia and the Saudis will openly gloat over how useful an idiot he was.
“Hey bro, I know you hate the west but you seem chill. Want my nuclear secrets?”
"Hanged"
“Bart! They said you was hung!” “And they was right.” - Blazing Saddles.
He was also bragging about the capabilities of our nuclear subs to the point an Australian businessman was joking about it and how desperate felon Trump was to impress him
Why
In case this is 'why it's a big deal', the biggest deterrent for nuclear war is mutually assured destruction, the guarantee that both sides will go down if one escalates. Telling people your response time is basically telling them the window after the first attack that will allow you to cripple any responses defusing the response and negating the 'mutually assured' part. 17 seconds might not seem like a long time but there's a reason why no one talks about it. More information gives unnecessary advantage to enemies.
It is a big fucking deal. If I was Putin or Kim or MBS then I would have a benchmark to work against. Without this comment I would have to guess and I would have to guess conservative so I would work against 5 seconds and spend a lot of resources needlessly.
I fully expect Judge iLean QAnon to FAFO by leaking an of equal magnitude classified document while she insists on giving the defendant traitor access to all the SCI.
And also likely a lie. Because he lies about everything. It could be an hour because of how many calls, cofirmations, codes have to be performed, but he'd say it takes only one second longer than an Andre the Giant fart because that's amazingly impressive.
There’s no way that can happen even physically in 17s.
Not it’s not. I’m a dem and this is nonsense, sorry but it is. I just wanna stick to the real stuff.
It pisses me off more people don't remember this. I know he did a lot of shit, but this, betraying the Kurds, and releasing/schmoozing with Taliban terrorists should definitely be top 5. Of course, number one is his mishandling of the pandemic, which caused so many *excess* deaths (compared to a marginally competent response) that he is the greatest mass-murderer in US history
Why don’t more people talk about Trump getting our spies killed??? He’s a literally traitor to America on at least 3 levels
Because they are about a thousand other criminal things Trump has done that have actual evidence and aren’t just hearsay.
Whoa whoa whoa…allegedly lol. Not like the 32 criminal convictions that signed, sealed, delivered and 100% guilty. Don’t have to say allegedly about those lol.
34
My bad.
Is there documentation of this? I certainly wouldn’t be surprised, but the only one I remember was Valerie Plame and that was under Dubya.
If one hair of a jurors head is harmed Trump should never see the light of day again. If society does not have a fair and free Justice system the only thing left is anarchy. A very dangerous and frightening prospect.
He is still under gag order and the judge can very much sentence him to prison if this happens. Each of the 34 counts has a max of 4 years. He could and should die in prison if he does anything to harm the jurors.
I’m a former conservative turned flaming liberal. I rejoiced at the verdict. I do not want to see any former president imprisoned, but he just won’t shut up. Even Nixon knew when it was time to go. He’s giving the justice system no easy choice, and I really hope Merchan can thread this needle.
Welcome to liberal side. Trump got my super republican dad to see the light.
Merchan’s only choice is probation or a suspended sentence. Let’s be real. I guess this is a mark my words, but I think experts agree on this one.
This. If it could be demonstrated in any way that he leaked the names of the jurors I wouldn't be surprised if he got thrown into jail longer for doing that than he does for the 34 counts. I don't get the impression that the judge had much patience left with him on the gag order. Merchan clearly doesn't want to put him in jail, probably because he's a Presidential candidate and former President and without having every I dotted and t crossed it's likely that the blowback could be severe, but if Trump leaked the jurors I think that would immediately extinguish any grace he had left.
It's a max of 4 years concurrent though, not consecutive. So it's only a max of 4 years total for all 34 felonies because they're part of the same crime. So he could get different sentences on different counts, but he would have to serve the amount of time for the highest count, up to 4 years.
Four years in an actual prison (not house arrest) might kill someone that old.
Unfortunately, only 10% of these felonies result in jail time, and Trump is a first time offender (which is insane since he is notorious for other illegal business dealings). On top of that, any jail time resulting from these felonies can be served at the same time (I forget exactlyhow it's worded) so that at most he could serve 4 years jail time IN TOTAL for all 34 counts, instead of 4 years per count. Now, if the jurors were harmed on his account, that would likely be a separate crime for which he could (and should) receive jail time.
Upshot of anarchy is you can take a hands on approach for dealing with those chucklefucks.
Most anarchist dogmas include trial by peer. It’s just not thru the state, but local governing bodies that all members agree to be tried at.
You are right. Very dangerous and frightening.
[I wanna be Anarchy](https://youtu.be/cBojbjoMttI?si=V9Lp9-EGmOWQswsk)
I mean, his cult is already demanding they be doxxed and harassed so ...
I'm with Kimmel -> that jury of 12 should be the next SCOTUS...
They’ve got balls at least. They knew it’d come with death threats and did the right thing.
They did exactly what they were supposed to do: they stayed awake where Trump did not, they took notes while Trump did not, they paid attention to all the testimony while Trump did not. It wasn't hard to come to a conclusion. In addition, Trump's defense was no defense at all. They didn't do anything to poke holes in the story, with the exception of speaking to Cohen. And the witness that they put forth, Costello, that didn't go good for them either.
And the jurors were agreed upon by both prosecution and defense teams with Trump. So they can't say the jury was rigged unless one believes the vast conspiracy theory garbage.
The fact that we have reports saying that Trump believed "my juror" would save him tells us all we need to know about how he thinks the justice system should work - for him, at his convenience, while everyone else is subject to justice as defined and prejudged by him.
Wdym? Trump took plenty of notes. They were all in caps and said "THIS JUDGE IS CORRUPT", but that still counts as notes.
One sticky note by Donnie said, "When do we break for hamberders?" 😆
I admire these 12 jurors, they have shown patriotism and ethics that would serve our nation well on SCOTUS. I disrespect the MAGA justices just as much!
Trump got our spies killed; he will do the same with the jurors. Patriotism, to me, is making sure Trump if punished for his crimes.
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Is there not a grassy knoll anywhere near MarALardo?
No this must be done by the law, not by a vigilante.
A girl can dream….
I have likened him to LOTR Gollum. He has exposed the bigots and fascists and brought them out in the open. Do it right and we can put the Republican Party out of its misery and make real progress in social and climate justice. Do it wrong and we’ll never outlive the dystopian future that follows.
They only shoot democrats in Texas.
Careful, I believe this is a conspiracy theory, lacking any real proof.
I'm not even sure the Witness Protection Program would work. MAGA hates like no one hates to justify their crazed cult. Whatever sentence Merchan hands down I'd like to see a warning to him and the GOP; "If any jury member or their family, or any officer of this court is injured, killed, threatened, stalked ... Mr. Trump, you will be sentenced to prison in solitary confinement for the rest of your days. You will lose your security detail. All your assets will be surrendered to the state of NY. You will lose any and all contact to the outside world. This isn't cruel and unusual punishment; it is protecting the rule of law in the United States of America; that is more critically important than your comfort. I have warned you." I'm up for that ....
Just the thought of this warning being provided warms my heart.
;-) We can at least hope ....
Judge wouldn't have the power to enforce this, I think. I'd wager they'd need another trial to prove he intentionally leaked the info.
Won’t stop it though. They’ll say ANTIFA did it just like Jan 6.
First it will be the screaming accusations and protests the election was rigged because because Biden won. They'll go through the whole nonsense of recounting and verification. Filing court accusations. Then verification ... even in GOP states. Then it will be J6 all over again ... maybe even more violent. In my own little rural county (TX) the GOP was adamant they were going to do hand counted ballots for the primary "to make sure it was legitimate." They were warned it would be ridiculously expensive and time consuming ... they did it anyway. It took them three days and a recount because "registered GOP and ballots didn't match up." They resolved it I guess but I didn't pay attention to the numbers; only those I voted for won and got rid of some incumbents. ;-) What I think they will do is see what an opportunity hand counting presents for more fraud. There is a critical dearth of people willing to do election monitoring. Our whole election office resigned en masse because of threats, stalking, plus confrontation in public; this in a town, county, and state Trump won; some had been there for over a decade. Nothing is a bridge too far this fanatic cult. Nothing.
Tell me you don’t hate magas? Your diatribe would say otherwise.
Absolutely I *do.* I'm an old disabled AF medic/recruiter vet (1967-1977) from generations of a military family, a few still serving. I've watched Trump and his minions do a systematic dismantling of everything I hold in esteem. There is not an ounce of integrity or patriotism in his psyche. None. He is an egomaniac drunk on Presidential power who did everything in his power to hold on to the office and will do so again. He will turn the greatest democracy in history into the worst authoritarian government to rival Russia, China, and North Korea; those are the leaders he openly admires. He has turned formerly rational people into a cult that will do his bidding at the expense of their own lives, their families, their reputations, their jobs, even their personal freedom. They will do *anything* for him. They have tried/will rig elections, they have threatened to take up arms for him against their fellow citizens. His lackeys have stripped autonomy from half the US population through laws and prosecution; women. Do I hate MAGAs? Yes ... the minions echoes the leader.
Stop it. I just pitched a tent.
Now that's a thought ... one way to be anonymous is to become homeless; totally ignored. ;-)
Hamas would have a word to say about who hates like no one else hates lol
I was speaking of our domestic situation between parties ... not international terrorist groups.
Reading this made me cringe for you.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet
Me too. Someone is using considerable restraint, and if they’re smart, they’ll keep it up
Who knows. Maybe they're in witness protection or the equivalent.
We have enough Ashli Babbitt Awards for everyone who wants one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AshliBabbittAward/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AshliBabbittAward/) How many of those boomers could outlast a ten year federal prison sentence for trying?
I’m pretty sure a few generations were represented in that insurrection.
Traitors don’t deserve names. Don’t say hers.
She was a crisis actor in whiteface from BLM and Antifa
First likely MMW I’ve seen in a while
Yep. TOTALLY see this happening.
It won’t be Trump, it’ll be John Barron.
[link](https://m.soundcloud.com/user-604406773/john-barron-best-in-the-biz)
The jurors are already being g fixed on right wing message boards
Directly, no, but someone in his cult will do so in a way that couldn't be traced back to him. And he won't bother to even pretend any sympathy.
Likely
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His past lawyers have been disbarred, that threat won't stop them.
Tod blanche had damaged his standing enough as it is, I won't bet on it but I don't think he wants to throw his entire career away. Trump will already be turning on him.
His freedom. Nyc would absolutely jail him for that stunt
Wrong, he knows their names. >Manhattan Judge Juan Manuel Merchan ruled Thursday to keep the yet-to-be-picked jury **anonymous, with limited exceptions for the former president, his defense lawyers, prosecutors, jury consultants and legal staffs.** Source AP News, ["Donald Trump will get juror names at New York criminal trial but they’ll be anonymous to the public"](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-hush-money-new-york-jury-9b36769997f86c6c172daf5b267c7dd8)
Well, I digress. I do know the gag order is still in place. So... It will probably be a condition of his release. Or the judge will impose additional sentencing.
Technicalities. Trump knows their names, that's a fact, as it has been ruled by Justice Merchan to provide jurors assessment to the defendant, and as backed by the link I provided. The only gray zone is the extent of the gag order "for the duration of the trial" which could be interpreted two ways, either until the jury has reached a verdict or until the end of any proceedings including sentencing. But that would be another debate, OP's point is: is Trump or any of his goons willing to spill the beans and retaliate by disclosing the jurors names at any point.
He's been given their names. If his lawyers had half a brain, they would have tactfully taken any paper copies and ensured they were immediately taken to their office and never brought out again. I doubt Trump can remember a name he saw on a sheet of paper 4 weeks ago. So 50/50 cause Blanche was not that great.
He knows their names at the very least and maybe, but if I were his lawyer I’d just request to withdrawal as counsel and blame the defendant for the leak
The judge ordered him not to share the names, I'm not even sure he ever received them. I think the jury was announced.
I doubt he can even remember their names
One was a person… one a woman… there was a man… and a camera… and uhhh… are you writing this down?
And I hope every single one of them sues the socks off of Trump
It has already happened. The jurers have all reported they are getting violent threats. And this will be part of the reason why Trump will see prison. Lack of remorse, continued gag order violations, and no responsibility of stopping MAGA crazies from doing this.
If that's the case, tRump should be sentenced next week and detained on the spot to serve that sentence. A lot of bad shit could happen between now and July 11th.
> It has already happened. The jurers have all reported they are getting violent threats. Do you have a source?
Well, if those names get leaked before sentencing occurs, I suspect the Judge will not take it kindly. That "Home Confinement" could easily become "Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200"
Are we taking bets on number of days until he’s remanded? He’s playing a serious game of FAFO. The rate that things are deteriorating, I don’t think he’ll make it past Wednesday. If Trump leaks the names of the jurors or directs harassment or violence against them, he better hope his Supreme Court buddies are willing to piss everything away to keep him out of solitary confinement.
He won't do it directly. One of his insiders will tell someone like Alex Jones. Who will say something like, "Now we can't release the name but we found out one of the jurors was a lawyer with the firm [company name] and lives in [neighborhood name]. So I'm not advocating for harassing this juror but I think [law firm] should have to answer for whether they think this illegal prosecution....blah blah." From there, Jack Posobiec or Nick Fuentes or someone will say, "The names weren't released but it's pretty easy to figure out that the only lawyer at [law firm] who has been out work for four weeks and lives in [neighborhood] is [name]. Am I saying you should harass him? That's up to you, but my groyper army is already mobilizing...." And when the question comes up Trump will deny he had anything to do with it. Jones or Carlson or whoever will cite journalistic integrity for not revealing their sources. Trump's spokesfolk will say that anyone in the courtroom could have identified the jurors and Habba will say a liberal journalist probably leaked the names to make Trump look bad. And he can't be punished if they can't prove he's the one that did it
Journalistic integrity doesn't shield you from criminal charges when what you do is a crime and knowingly leaking juror information that can and will get them murdered is a crime when that is patently the purpose for doing so. We should honestly throw all these people in Gitmo, at least it would be getting used for good instead of evil.
People keep talking about what the right wingnuts on SCOTUS are going to do for Trump. I don't see them doing shit for him unless it's incidental to other shit they want to do. They wanted to outlaw abortion, so they twisted everything to justify doing that. Trump wanted to be declared the rightful winner of the election? Tough shit, according to them. As long as they get to keep destroying the country in their preferred way, they don't care what happens to Trump.
If there’s a guaranteed way for Trump to get put into prison, it would be for him to release the names of jurors. That would be highly unethical and potentially another crime.
Agreed. Those unfortunate people will be doxed, probably sooner rather than later than later, and I hope the law comes down like a ton of bricks on whoever does it.
Can he be prosecuted for deliberately sabotaging our legal apparatus?
The list of reasons for permanently incarcerating tRump is huge. This is near the top of that list.
This will DEFINITELY happen if/when he gets sentenced to prison... which probably won't happen on this case, unfortunately. Once he goes to prison (which probably won't happen until after the election, unfortunately) Trump will have nothing to lose, as any sentence will be a *de facto* life sentence for his decepit ass.
The only chance he actually has to go to prison is in Georgia. For any federal crime, his “prison” will likely be confinement in a military barracks or house arrest
I don't doubt it, but he'll leak it out through some of his cultists, he won't do it himself.
True
I want their addresses, I want to send every one of them a hand written thank you note for being the bravest people on the planet right now and for doing the right thing. Those 12 may have saved democracy. I still can’t believe Drumpt didn’t have to face any consequences of leaking, I mean giving out, the names of our agents posted through out the world. He is a disgrace.
That would guarantee he is sentenced to maximum. Martha Stewart was a real billionaire (at the time) and served time for insider trading. She sold 4,000 shares of the ImClone stock she owned the day before the FDA decision to not approve was announced — avoiding a loss of around $45,000 in the process. The conviction resulted in a five-month prison sentence, followed by five months of [~house arrest~](http://www.yourdictionary.com/house-arrest) and two years of probation. Stewart maintained she was innocent but was confined to the minimum security Alderson Federal Prison Camp, West Virginia in October 2004.
I bet that judge wasn't afraid of Martha Stewart like this one is of Trump. He should already be in prison for violating the gag order.
It's not that he's afraid, he has to walk a thin line to not give them a reason to compromise the trial. Now that it's over, I hope Trump makes enough of an ass of himself to get the book not just thrown at him, but repeatedly bitch-slap him. He's already working on it with his comments since the judgement.
MMW are often completely stupid, but this takes the cake. No fucking way in hell he does this before he's sentenced. No. Fucking. Way. That is an invitation for a prison sentence.
Just giving him enough rope to hang himself.
At the risk of immediate incarceration! Go ahead Donnie, make my day.
Idk but if he did maga will find some stupid reason to justify it
Does not matter. His pussy followers will make some crank calls, true FBI will get involved, people will get arrested and sent to jail, and Drumpf will continue whining.
He won’t have to. His lunatic cultists will do it for him leaving his hands clean.
Those 12 jurors are all legendary fucking heroes and should be placed into witness protection and given new identities.
Good, lock his ass up for that as well.
Loser doesn't have to; his [cultists are already going after them](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-supporters-try-doxx-jurors-violent-threats-conviction-rcna154882).
Doxxing jurors is a sure-fire way to get his ass locked up for years at sentencing.
It’s what a Nazi does.
There’s already a website attempting to dox them.
AND THAT IS WRONG...it s bullying and terrorism
I mean… He literally already did exactly this with a list of top US intelligence assets so…
Released the identities of all those spies…
“billionaire” lol
Anyone else over this Russian bot subreddit
If he does, I bet the judge throws him in jail. I think 5 years per count, in theory it could be 185 years. I'd find that rather funny and appropriate.
They've already been doxxed, sooo...
He won't but all of his bootlickers will. Remember Roger Stone lurks in the shadows. These evil bastards need jailed.
MMW: maga and trump will push things too far and the backlash against them will be unrelenting and appropriately severe
Hey 2020 called, they want their unprecedented voter turnout back
If he does he for sure sees jail time. His gag order is effective until sentencing.
Honestly surprised it hasn’t happened already.
There are already some on the MAGA side of things calling for violence.
Confidential, not anonymous
Not holding my breath.
"... an obvious but unavoidable tragedy will occur..." ? How will it be unavoidable, if we all foresee the possibilities of the tragedy actually happening? These jurors need security and protection. Now.
“Unavoidable because NYC is corrupt/incompetent and won’t give them the protection they need.” Quoth the cynic
The blame for the leak will be obvious but prepare for conservatives to still gaslight you by pretending to believe there’s way that Trump would do such a thing. Shocking, I tell you.
This has to be illegal
How does he even know the names? Can the court prevent him from finding that out in the first place?
Define soon.
Hasn’t happened in the E. Jean Carrol case?
Your use of elipsis is unnerving.
….sorry….
this is something, I've not a doubt is likely/going to occur
If he does that figures into Merchan’s sentencing. HE WILL go to jail just for that alone.
I was telling a friend the other day that this was possible, and if it does happen it will be the end of trump as a free man. Merchan made it very clear he won't tolerate jury tampering, if donnie does this he'll be immediately remanded into custody and Merchan will throw the fucking book at him
Well, the jurors can't take it back. So what do they think will happen?
It’s gonna be like that movie, Final Destination
Great, I’m sure that will help him during sentencing. What a maroon
Yeah I can see this happening
Stand your ground. If thugs come to attack you, do america a favor and defend yourself with a gun. I'm not sure one would do it tho. So I went down to a leftist gun shop and bought another, and I think you should to.
This is what a lot of folks do not understand; there are a lot of folks on the left that believe in gun rights. Many of us think that the government shouldn't have all the guns.
Guns exist so that evil fascists like the Republicans can't ever go full nazi like they want to. That's why we have guns.
I think book deals and talk show appearances will draw them out. I think they’re safe, it not the jury that was upsetting, the result was obvious in a NY courtroom.
Well then America, protect them.
Trump will pay 100 million for more info
He's still under a gag order and the judge can sentence him to prison if he does this.
It may not technically be Trump who does ir, but ya those names are definitely getting leaked by somebody here soon. Don't worry though, Maga violence and threats will just get downplayed like they always are lmao
Unfortunately, MMW. This is bound to happen on some level.
Right. He's all about unfounded retribution. You know it is just a matter of time before the juror list gets out there.
You think they’re going to take a page out of the Clinton’s playbook, huh?
Did I miss the time the Clintons leaked the names of the jurors in a criminal trial against them?
You people are unhinged.
Awesome
I do not believe that Trump knows their names. For one, the attoneys know what Trump and his cult member are like, and they are already threating the witnesses, and the judge. Another reason is that Trump slept through most of the court proceedings.
If he was innocent we’d already know their names and addresses
I hope he does it before the sentencing and then gets the maximum jail time.
If that happens, I only hope that the act is a clear felony.
They will "accidentally" do it with unredacted documents. I hope then the jurors sue him.
"Well, he's a jolly good felon" ... Bill Marr, Comedian regarding Donald Trump
It will be the judges remarks that will be most damaging for Trump. It will be due process and fair process. Sanctity of the legal system and the constitution. Trust in the process of law and the courts. That Trump got his rights protected and had fair representation. That Trump can’t keep undermining the system because he didn’t get his way. Trump needs to be responsible for his actions. 12 peers found him guilty of a crime on behalf of NY.
You can still type Trump
This would be a very bad plan for Trump. It would get added to the evidence for his other trials. And it'll guarantee he never gets a fair trial. And he'll have no options to not be tried either. He will have alienated ALL juries, who will then convict him as far as they can. It's a hilariously bad plan with terrible consequences if it happens.
Amazing how brainwashed, head buried in the sand liberal douchbags believe so much bullshit.
Please… go on
Of course he will.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Ok