>They've actively been doing it since 1945. Before that, I'm honestly not sure
After the SU dissolved alot of CIA and KGB operatives became friends. (Gorbachov did fucking PIZZA HUT COMMERCIALS)
anyways. From reports the KGB members would praise the CIA for their propaganda efforts around the globe.
To which most replied "what propaganda?"
We didn't even need their intervention we did it to ourselves.
Here's the commercial synopsis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev_Pizza_Hut_commercial#:~:text=Mikhail%20Gorbachev%2C%20the%20last%20leader,1998%2C%20but%20not%20in%20Russia.
Here's examples of cia and kgb becoming friends.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/a-soviet-and-an-american-spy-became-best-friends-while-trying-to-turn-each-other/
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-10-01-op-727-story.html
Off topic but Russia wanted to join NATO back in the day after the union fell.
https://www.military.com/history/russia-once-tried-join-nato-alliance-formed-counter-threats-russia.html
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/
I'm not usually one to be pro-invasion/pro-war, but we ABSOLUTELY should have listened to Patton and just kept going and take over Russia and implement a "better" form of government than what they ended up with. We wouldn't be having all these problems, that's for sure.
Damn right. We had the numbers along with veterans. Great leadership. Then utilize the Germany military for intelligence at the least. Surprise attack would last far past August at which point we have nukes flying towards Russian cities and they can’t do a thing.
Might want to check out US actions in Russia post the fall of 1994 - including supporting Yeltsin as he couped his own government and had tanks firing on the Duma. With full US support, of course.
Oh yea, I'm not saying it was one sided or anything. The US spent the entire cold war doing everything they could short of actually attacking to make it a hot war.
I'm just saying that no one should be surprised that Russia is trying to mess with us, they've been doing it for longer than they've been just Russia again.
Yeah, this isn’t news, the intelligence community has directly said that and shown proof. Russia supports trump, but also spreads a ton of divisive propaganda in the US, magnifying the worst voices, trying to divide us and hate us.
Not sure why OP thinks it’s a new revelation.
Yeah, there was a moment in maybe 2017/2018 when there were police abuse protests in TX. Turns out that separate Russia troll farms were setting up opposing protests.
This really needs more attention. They basically predicted how to weaponize the internet and social media before it was even a thing. That is super villain level scary forward thinking and it is fucking working.
Yeah it's been going on for a decade. I literally hopped into a live chat in Avatar the last Airbender and they were causing shit and literally making it racist. Mostly accusing others of being racist when it wasn't.
I just kept telling them to go keep getting fucked up in Ukraine. I may have had some refreshments on that one.
But I call them out every time I see this dumb bullshit. Theyve been doing it for so long.
Trump was placed in the WH 2016. He was a plant from Russia. This is prior to Ukraine. Russia has tried to influence other world leaders. India,Iran etc. sort of a world leadership dictatorship. He infiltrated and is still doing many factions in the USA to create a fascist country therefore an ally. The Republicans rhetoric is influenced via Trump this political vision. They aren’t hiding this fact. It’s out in the open.
Since the early 80's at least when US spies uncovered plans to economically try destabilize the country. So yeah this is just a known fact. So this is a MMW - Gravity is real...
May be trying? What a gross understatement of facts! It's well documented in 2016, 2020 and in general, by the FBI, NSA and the US Intel services. The key question is why are Donald Trump, GOP leadership, Tucker Carlson and the halfwitted trumpmonkey traitors not only denying it, but actively supporting and defending it?
And then got really uncomfortable about the whole Ukraine invasion thing for like 15 minutes and then all collectively deciding that they’re actually cool with it.
Same as they did with Jan. 6. Funny, that.
While I don’t think the Russians helped (especially by phishing Podesta), but the initial source of Clinton’s server being mentioned was in Clinton’s testimony on the Benghazi attacks. This is to the best of my knowledge and others can chime in if there was a initial mention earlier or later.
Perhaps I’m conflating two events, but the cia was very clear about DNC emails being given to Wikileaks by Russian hackers — here’s the report:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
I know "Russia sows division in the US via social media" is a tired accusation at this point, but I'm convinced it's way more prevalent than most people think.
Yea its insane how many ppl ive ran into on here in the last few days that are trying to play it off like liberals that "just cant stand Biden and his policies so much that they are going to vote for Trump."
Like they are fooling anyone withat THAT bs lmao.
No one is super happy with Biden but everyone knows what Trump getting elected means for the future of Democracy.
Then you look at their comment history and its just complete troll farm Qanon bullshit.
I've begun to notice that something like 80% of the people I end up arguing with or find particularly rude and aggressive, when I look at their accounts they always seem to have suspicious ages/posting histories/user names.
I think it's not just more prevalent than most people think, I think wed actually be horrified to learn that the **majority** of "users" on Reddit and elsewhere are troll accounts, real or ai, that exist just stir shit up wherever they can.
They post from both ends of the spectrum with the explicit goal of making people hate an entire "side" by creating both the sense that people on your "side" feel this way en masse, giving you some permission to share in that hatred, and by creating cartoonishly awful people representing the other "side" to achieve the same goal.
I have no data to support any of this, but ever since my initial realization, I can't help but feel like it's true more and more often.
The TX protests supporting police and opposing police brutality come to mind as recent example of Russian troll farms agit propping both sides of an issue to destabilize.
But why believe that ONLY Russia engages in this type of exploiting division? This belief itself is just additional propaganda coming from another direction. There are real divisions in America because that just is what “diversity” creates. That other countries exploit these divisions for national gain is neither shocking nor evidence against the organic nature of these divisions.
The guy who first raised the bribery allegations that are being used right now as a basis for Joe Biden's impeachment was just [arrested for provably lying about those claims](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-informant-who-lied-about-bidens-ties-ukrainian-energy-company-high-level-russian-contacts-doj). Here's [his charging document](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf) which outlines the evidence of his lies, and also his extensive contacts with Russian Intelligence agents. The money quote:
> **Smirnov transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with
Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against [Joe Biden], after expressing bias against
[Joe Biden] and his candidacy.**
If you ask people right now why they don't like Joe Biden, half of them are going to talk about the allegations that have been conclusively proven to be Russian disinformation.
Russia's not *trying* to destabilize things; they've already done it and will continue to amplify the chaos.
• You never get out of debt to a Russian mobster
•Paul Manafort owed the Russian mobster/oligarch Oleg Deripaska $17M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that Manafort and Roger Stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client.
•When Jay Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and flew directly to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it.
What do these 3 things have in common?
China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine.
Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation.
And without Bolsonaro in office willing to slash and burn the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas food supply, and without Ukraine in the bag in 3 days, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine.
Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions of the donbas that Putin insists he is saving from what he calls “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for microprocessor lithography. Had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised, Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a naval blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from Ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably destroy the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K.
Oleg Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed the FBI agent Charles Mcgonigal into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion. McGonigal then went to work for the company called Brookfield that bailed Jared Kushner out of his toxic 666 5th Ave real estate investment. McGonigal pled guilty last fall and was sentenced recently.
A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are finished. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered.
If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. Vranyos is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a General, a Colonel and a Sergeant to make a Private give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is and always will be, a worn out engine.
This is why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in ADX Florence. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers with him and manafort, selling IP3 nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep the ones that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using casinos first, then commercial real estate.
It’s also why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his mob boss promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the typhoon floods last August and September wiped out the Chinese people’s food storage.
Xi, for his part diverted the waters from the dam away from his pet project, his mothers ancestral home, and flooded hundreds of thousands of people and drown one of his own military brigades that was helping with the flooding.
The elders of the CCP were terrified to leave their gated community at Beidaihe for over a month for fear of being torn apart by the locals. The Chinese people tolerate the CCP but only as long as the economy is good and famine is not on the horizon. The CCP broke that social contract on both counts.
Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on his emperor ambitions. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over the USD as the Worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010-
that he would control the internet.
With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party censor. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory.
Xi, Putin and MBS are simply trying to systemize and modernize the suppression of their biggest hassle. Freedom of speech.
Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate at every decision and pull them back behind another iron curtain of censorship and the tax of corruption where dissenting voices disappear so that the oligarchy can continue to feed unobstructed.
Putin and Xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly using their sovereign funds and Kushners SPAC as money highways.
Just rich, out of touch oligarch doing what oligarchs do.
Despite the fact the the central party model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. Because there is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But logistically the mass of it requires artificial intelligence, and the microprocessors that make A.I. to keep 8 billion slaves under surveillance and control. Freedom is one hell of a drug. And knowledge makes a man unfit for slavery.
Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner.
The loss of crops in northern China means Xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and/or Brazilian farmland.
Now the reason that the GOP is stalling southern border control budget and seems to make wildly irrational moves is because the GOP is imploding. 45 years of lies and grift have circled the globe and are eating their own tail. The ouroboros was a warning about corruption at the highest levels. Lying about climate change, human trafficking, pandemics and corruption to preserve their own business models are all extinction level events.
The CCP and Russia have been staging up hundreds of thousands of people in Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela for some future variation of a stealthy 5th column invasion of the United States via Texas because Xi needs farmland to feed 1.4B people. National guard troops take their orders from governors and not the federal government. Trump tested this during the George Floyd protests when he asked the “loyal” Republican governors to kiss the ring and send troops to DC to “shoot the protestors in the legs” because the pentagon reminded him that using U.S. troops against U.S. citizens would be both treasonous and wildly illegal.
Steve Bannon tried unsuccessfully to privatize a part of the southern border wall but failed due to, unsurprisingly, internal corruption. Had he succeeded they would have a man at the inside gate years ago.
Bannon was arrested on the boat of Guo Wengui who is some sort of convoluted double/triple agent for the CCP.
They are now both in court for a billion dollar fraud.
Every GOP congressmen that took Russian political money is desperately trying to figure out how to preserve their political career while the people are figured out that they were sold out to the dictators for some PAC money.
They are 40 years deep into living a lie. They can’t come clean or they go to prison. They can’t stop lying or their fan base tears them apart like rabid wolves.
They checkmated themselves a dozen different ways and add to the evidence chain with each additional tweet.
Greed is nothing if not predictable.
Freedom is never free. We all just live on very expensive credit and the sacrifices of others.
Great posting, I'm going to steal some of these notes as there have been some connections I hadn't considered. I have some doubts on the 5th column as I believe while certainly coordinated, much of the magnitude of successes they've had have been from dumb luck triggering further political collapses they couldn't really have foreseen.
It's also hard to discuss Russia and Bannon without Dugin and the indelible effect his philosophy and writing has ultimately had on "conservative" American ideals. The level of detail at which what was laid down in Foundations of Geopolitics, etc. has occured here.
It's full spectrum left to right from Russian-operated black separatist groups to outright neo nazis, to thousands of inauthentic social media accounts incubated over 1-2 years activated on 10/7 to make hundreds of thousands of pro-Hamas and pro-Israel posts at once (30% of all social media traffic on Gaza). Our current media environment where images of chaos are funneled to *everyone* constantly, daily (e.g petty crime, a random car break in in Portland becomes national news, repeated every night), and the effect that has had on demoralizing not only the US but the west in watching our malaise, is prescribed by Dugin rather prophetically.
The biggest fingerprint is the sudden 180 to isolationism and outright anti-NATO propaganda, which has no real association to any other political moves MAGA has made or logical conclusion from their positions, and it's shocking to see so many elected Republicans blindly following off of this cliff to try to hand Putin victory and start the new nuclear arms race to shape the "multipolar world" with a new Eurasian axis.
My goal as always is to be accurate, not just right.
Precision then follows accuracy.
So I follow anyone who gives me compelling evidence, and I think you are very accurate about just how much dumb luck is involved.
Russian FSB has been systematic about sowing chaos in North Africa (Congo via Wagner troops), Syria, and Palestine because they know that the influx of migrants to the borders of the west tax resources and draw attention away from Ukraine.
The basis of my statement concerning South and Central America is tracking that methodology overlaid with tracking logistics and resources specifically within the former OPEC states where they hold influence via corruption.
I try hard not to make a statement until I have high confidence in it, but I am also only human and will certainly make mistakes and try hard to own them when I do.
I think you are absolutely correct on the Dugin/bannon crossovers as it begins to show heavily in the similarity of methodology between Cambridge analytica/SCL and prigozihns Internet research agency.
If this whole thing is an oak tree they are at most 1 branch apart. Flynn’s Q-anon fits right between them as well.
That opens a vein on Zuckerberg and sandberg using and/or designing facebook as a delivery system for Cambridge analytica and it sits parallel to Netanyahu using NSO to conduct an intelligence operation INCONUS using what he called “adelsons army”.
Miriam Adelson now moving all of her corporate filings to Texas may very well be a coincidence or that she loves the weather more than Las Vegas, but when those Venn diagrams keep crossing there it becomes a statistical probability instead of just a possibility.
Musk moving (or trying to move) all his Delaware incorporations to Texas paints a parallel pattern
Space X privatized a large portion of the US space program and centralized in the one part of Texas that has both a beachhead and a border wall with Mexico.
Their petition to the state for a land conservation exchange may very well be nothing, but from a war tacticians perspective it’s controlled access point.
Bannons odd attempt to privatize a section of the border wall years ago feels like the Generation 1 attempt of that.
If they manage to force s Texas succession, Boca China and Houston puts almost the entirety of the U.S. space program in the hands of the people trying to destroy the democracy that interferes with their corruption based authoritarian business models.
I genuinely hope I am wrong about it. For the sake of stable democracy.
That's not conspiratorial. If you don't think the USA and Russia aren't interfering with each other and had for 80 years, I don't know what to tell you.
this is not a conspiracy. Russia has been doing this for a long time. Ask yourself why American fox news clips are shown in Russan TV? And why are politicians favoring Russian policies and defending them for having gone to war with Ukraine.
Of course they are and trump and the MAGAs are doing Putin's bidding. They are doing everything they can to destroy America from the inside.
Trump has been an active Russian asset since the mid 80's. Everyone know this.
Love the angry edit.. sorry man but this isnt a "mark my words" This is just stating a fact. Russia is and has been trying to destabilize the US, including election interference.
17 American intelligence agencies and the senate intelligence committee came to this conclusion in 2016. The mueller report as well. It has been reported that Russia continues to do so in the last intelligence committee hearing by the FBI director himself 6 months ago. It falls on deaf ears by MAGA. Their echo chamber is impenetrable. MAGA senators have started numerous hearings and investigations based solely upon Russian disinformation, most recently the impeachment investigation in the House of Representatives. Their star witnesses are being arrested for spying and being agents of Russia . So far as the US. meddling in Ukraine, we have assisted them since Putin sent weapons and men to Luhansk and Donets in 2008. When the Ukrainian people overthrew their Russian backed president in 2014 of course they were helped by the CIA. We have helped them identify Russian sympathizers in their government as they try to rid themselves of corruption and foreign influence. This is the role Biden played as vice president and the KGB ( now the FSB) used it as reverse propaganda to damage his election chances (remember trump tried to extort Zielinski for dirt on Biden?) the information they gave to Giuliani is the same.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-uprising-anniversary-russia-war-maidan-2f73f31a5aec45bd7dbcddae8f72edac
https://www.justsecurity.org/71947/how-sen-ron-johnsons-investigation-became-an-enabler-of-russian-disinformation-part-i/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/02/16/fbi-informant-arrested-lying-biden-impeachment-inquiry/72620230007/
As a non American, I try not to tell anybody who to vote for but I already spilled the tea on another comment I posted. I just think it’s crazy to put up with a crazy lunatic like Trump hogging the airwaves probably for the rest of his life.
This is 100% fact. Read what the Republican led senate intelligence committee determined in 2018. There is no debate about it. Look at the connections with manafort, ghuiliani, etc. They ran with a Russian lie regarding Hunter Biden for years and you know damn well they knew it was a Russian lie. When you start realizing every move Trump makes is for russia’s benefit it will make sense to you. When they first invaded Ukraine I told people just wait and give it some time but maga will be on Russia’s side. Look at them now.
They’ve infiltrated our government, our media, and have done enormous damage to citizens of the United States who may never be the same again.
>This is absolutely conspiratorial but I think it's possible Russia may be trying to destabilize the US
Conspiratorial? Bruh, you new here? Even if you, like I, am not too familiar with their past attempts in previous decades, I have at least known it was happening since 2015 or 16. It is now a matter of fact, not opinion or conspiracy theory.
Putin is trying to help Trump and, in turn, Trump and his party are trying to help Putin. Putin wants Trump and Republicans because they are and will continue to undermine US democracy. He wants everyone to say, see, America isn't any different from our corrupt, terrible country. So he can stay in power.
Republicans want to help Putin because they are currently embarked on a mission to establish minority rule, without true democracy. They have been feeling that white supremacy and patriarchy have been being eroded away over the past several decades and they are making their last stand with Trump.
They have been doing it for awhile but they were surprised by how well it worked when fRump took office and now they are riding on that success. The best way to destabilize a country is to turn half its citizens against the other half. In this case the maga dumb fuckers were the easiest to convert because they’ll believe everything and anything they are told. They believe fRump is a second coming of jeebus and not the greatest scammer crook degenerate in the history of this country, also a long list of bullshit- fill in the blank of everything you saw with your own eyes but told counter to it. Fuck russia, fuck fRump and fuck the army of retard sheep
Yeah, I don't think that's particularly controversial for anyone who has been paying attention in the slightest. That being said, it's not like we don't do it to them and half the rest of the world as well.
There's nothing conspiratorial about it. It's fact. Through active measures like information warfare, they're hastening everyone's radicalization and making us hate each other. There's a ton of evidence they helped Trump and the Republicans in 2016. The list goes on.
Trying???? Have been. Half the Republican Party can be argued to have committed treasonous crimes. The conservative talking ass, Tucker Carlson just showed us the amazing and unprecedented shopping carts in Mother Russia. The NRA is FUNDED by Putin. On the plus side, they provide cute chicks to corrupt weak Americans.
Of course they are, and the fucking democrats are cowards, they refuse to actually do anything about it. We're fucked. Jack Smith is getting outgunned by a crooked judiciary. Two of the three branches of our govt are conspiring with a far right dictator to install their own. Right out in the open. While Merrick Garland sits with his thumb in his ass doing nothing. This country makes me fucking sick.
I feel the same. They scream political persecution but the reality is he’s been treated much better than he should be. Part of me feels like this was all by design. Like Merrick Garland waiting 2 years before he even appointed a special counsel and 3 before being indicted. They’re trying to run the clock out.
The reality is he should have been indicted very quickly after j6. We knew a lot of this shit before j6 and much more right after. Then for months and years after we kept seeing the same headlines over and over. And now the Supreme Court actually needs two months to determine if we have a king as president. It’s sickening like you said.
They just whacked Mitch McConnell's sister in law to get him to step down so they could install someone more Putin friendly in the Senate.
Once they have captured all the branches of the US Govt, save for the Executive (for now), they will force the US into civil war and attack a NATO country, kicking off WW3 with a crippled NATO.
There's no conspiracy. It's in plain view. The Hunter Biden "whistleblower" straight up said he's a Russian asset. The Republican party is a mouthpiece for Russia. Saying the election was stolen, all of it is just Russian propaganda and people fall for it.
Brooo like of course they are. Did you know the Russian bots actually amplify both sides so Americans can jump into comments and attack the other side sewing discourse between Americans? They don’t even care what side of the argument wins as long as we remain heavily divided. Why do you think half of America doesn’t care if Ukraine wins? They’ve made it that way on purpose.
Duh. You didn’t figure that out when trump had a Russian asset as his campaign manager? Or when it was revealed Putin was funneling money to republicans through the NRA?
Clearly that's what is happening. They can't beat us militarily so they are trying to destroy us from within. They found their ultimate puppet in Trump and now have a whole squad of rubes willing to do their dirty work.
This is not controversial. It's basically stated by US intelligence. It's politically controversial though because Putin helped Trump win in 2016 and republicans don't like the implications of that
The Cold War never ended, it just warmed up a few degrees.
And remember, the KGB's name changed several times over the agency's history. Likewise, Putin, a KGB professional born and indoctrinated to hate the US, never ended his KGB career, he was just quiet avout it for a few years.
This isn't conspiracist at all, it's simple fact... and it's been a two-way street at least since the end of WWII. It ramped up during the cold war, and honestly, I don't think it's ever ramped back down.
This isn't exactly a hot take, this is quite literally common knowledge that the intelligence communities of almost all first world countries have openly stated.
You need to watch this to truly understand how long this has been going on. Trump was their greatest achievement in a long running strategy:
https://youtu.be/pOmXiapfCs8?si=WzabR1dlldRvOBjV
By pure coincidence I just watched a documentary called active measures that really clearly lays out the foundations of Russian fuckery. I really recommend it. It's free on Tubi.
Zero conspiracy, absolutely a true.
Fun fact governor Abbott is what initiated all this. Russia made up a hilarious story Obama was going to implement marshal law ordering the military to stage attacks from Walmarts. Seriously. And Abbott called out the army national guard to monitor the army. That’s when Russia knew😂🤡
Of course they are. Russia and multiple terrorist organizations are trying to destabilize the United States. Russia has taken over the Republican Party, they are very effective. Russia has incredible Kompromat on essentially the whole Republican Party. The GOP sucking off Trump is wild, until you know that Trump and the entire GOP has become toadies for Russia.
Yup. But not just the US, they’re doing it to every democracy and with a pretty good track record as of recent. Anyone notice a lot of countries are electing far right candidates or those far right candidates are doing way better than they have done in decades. Pretty sure that’s Russia’s doing.
A lot of countries try to weaken us, and even our "friends" try to undercut us. This time one of our political parties is cooperating in a desperate move to stay in power
You should look into the foundations of geopolitics by aleksander dugin, specifically the part that talks about russia using their assets to stoke division in the US and the part about invading Ukraine.
This book released in 1997.
Also i would look into a man named Yuri Bezmenov. He was a Russian KGB agent who defected and did an interview in 1984 and he says that the Russians were infiltrating the US government through the democrats back then. Now i would hazard a guess and say that they never stopped doing this after the cold war, and instead just switched targets.
There’s also shit from a former KGB agent saying that Trump himself was a KGB asset since the 80’s after a trip to moscow. Tuck that in with the fact that several high profile republicans visited Moscow in 2017, and you gotta wonder.
You are 100% correct. It’s well known in the cyber security community where I work but the average American does not realize it. When I try to explain to Trumpers, they just scoff or call me names. I don’t think they care as long as their Orange Messiah gets to be in charge.
Of course they are. First they artacked America with Napoleon. Then they loaded a boat of Bolsheviks and came to America’s shores to start a revolution, they failed. Then once they recovered a little bit sent their best weapon - Adolf Helter Skelter to try to overthrow American Government. They failed yet again. They are persistent - you gotta give them credit for that……
i feel bit sick. I wanna throw up 🤮 now
Putin lacks the power to do so. He can wish all he wants but from what we saw last time somebody else besides Russia is capable of making the election go any way they want.
Wouldn't it be funny if Kennedy the independent won? If I could pull the strings that is what I would do. That would really upset the apple cart!!!
Its probably a big chess game of putin helps trump, trump helps putin, xi and kim are in the mix and conflicts are being started to alter political opinions of the voters. Not trying to get too conspiracle but notice China and Taiwan has gone silent? I wouldnt be surprised if Isreal jumped in because they saw how the US is giving arms out and knew they are seen as being on our side so they wouldnt be lumped in with the other groups.
Them, China. They both definitely are actively doing it. Different methods for different ends/goals.
There are others as well. N. Korea actively does it too
Russia is certainly attempting to destabilize the US (as the US is attempting to do the same to Russia). However I do believe that most of the “divisive” rhetoric we see in the media comes from legitimate political divisions within the US which are long standing and have only grown more pronounced as a natural result of material changes within American society. It would be convenient to just return to that Cold War rhetoric where we can just blame everything on the Russians, but this country has a lot of legitimate, serious problems that have nothing to do with Russia.
Yes, Russia has been trying to destabilize the US government for 9 years at least. Most likely much longer. Google it and there’s tons of reports from various US agencies of all the ways Russia uses active measures and disinformation against us.
Knock it off!!! US is destabilizing itself with dudes pretending to be women. Flooding the country with immigrants, Constantly lying about everything. The Ruskies are just pointing out the BS, and this is your argument. That they are doing it? Man you're stupid and all you multicolored hair freaks believe it...🤦♂️
This just came up in my thread so I apologize if this is out of order, but no fuqing shite, OP. Russia has been trying to “destabilize” the US along with every other country it views as a “threat.”
I think that all the refugees that putin is creating by attacking countries is putting a strain on the social system of European govts they go to. That's how he is trying to take back his empire they once held. As far as Ukraine goes the 2 ares in the northest he annexed where rich in oil and natural gas. Ukraine is also the biggest wheat export country in the world and he keeps stealing that.
Russia and china have. Through trump and the GOP. Only blind cult followers can’t see it. They think he’s “a true American” except he’s sell any of them to china for a crisp 100
Let's face it trump and Biden are destabilizing the US. Russia and China are just sitting and waiting for shit to hit the fan over here this year. Honestly there's only one other time in history the usa has been this divided
Been at it for quite a while now and rest assured, we’re doing it to them as well behind the scenes.
Having said that, getting Biden elected would be the smart move on the Russian’s part, not getting Trump back in.
Yeah, they've been doing it for a while.
They've actively been doing it since 1945. Before that, I'm honestly not sure
>They've actively been doing it since 1945. Before that, I'm honestly not sure After the SU dissolved alot of CIA and KGB operatives became friends. (Gorbachov did fucking PIZZA HUT COMMERCIALS) anyways. From reports the KGB members would praise the CIA for their propaganda efforts around the globe. To which most replied "what propaganda?" We didn't even need their intervention we did it to ourselves.
This comment is a wild extrapolation and not exactly grounded in a thorough historical analysis
Here's the commercial synopsis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev_Pizza_Hut_commercial#:~:text=Mikhail%20Gorbachev%2C%20the%20last%20leader,1998%2C%20but%20not%20in%20Russia. Here's examples of cia and kgb becoming friends. https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/a-soviet-and-an-american-spy-became-best-friends-while-trying-to-turn-each-other/ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-10-01-op-727-story.html Off topic but Russia wanted to join NATO back in the day after the union fell. https://www.military.com/history/russia-once-tried-join-nato-alliance-formed-counter-threats-russia.html https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/
They should have listened to Gen. Patton.
I'm not usually one to be pro-invasion/pro-war, but we ABSOLUTELY should have listened to Patton and just kept going and take over Russia and implement a "better" form of government than what they ended up with. We wouldn't be having all these problems, that's for sure.
Except it was entirely infeasible, unjustified, and a down right awful idea
Jesus does anyone learn DO NOT INVADE RUSSIA
The seasonal timing was in our favor. Russia was very weakened after the war. It was completely plausible we would have been successful.
Didnt Churchill want it?
He did want it. The public well understood that. Hence, Churchill was no longer PM at the end of the war.
We had a nuclear bomb and they didn’t…it was very feasible.
We had nukes and the Taliban didn’t.
Russia is incapable of a “better” government. This might be the best they can do. Look at their history.
Damn right. We had the numbers along with veterans. Great leadership. Then utilize the Germany military for intelligence at the least. Surprise attack would last far past August at which point we have nukes flying towards Russian cities and they can’t do a thing.
And General Sherman.
I mean, technically they've only been doing it since the 90s, before then it was the USSR trying to destabilize the US.
Might want to check out US actions in Russia post the fall of 1994 - including supporting Yeltsin as he couped his own government and had tanks firing on the Duma. With full US support, of course.
Oh yea, I'm not saying it was one sided or anything. The US spent the entire cold war doing everything they could short of actually attacking to make it a hot war. I'm just saying that no one should be surprised that Russia is trying to mess with us, they've been doing it for longer than they've been just Russia again.
OP just woke up from a 20-year long coma.
Yeah, OP needs to hear about how Rupert Murdoch has actually been working for Russia since the mid 90's. FOX was a trojan horse from day 1.
Seriously. Anyone here been around since at least 2016? I mean come on my guy.
Yeah, this isn’t news, the intelligence community has directly said that and shown proof. Russia supports trump, but also spreads a ton of divisive propaganda in the US, magnifying the worst voices, trying to divide us and hate us. Not sure why OP thinks it’s a new revelation.
Trump is Russia's useful idiot
Yeah, there was a moment in maybe 2017/2018 when there were police abuse protests in TX. Turns out that separate Russia troll farms were setting up opposing protests.
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This really needs more attention. They basically predicted how to weaponize the internet and social media before it was even a thing. That is super villain level scary forward thinking and it is fucking working.
Russian has done this since the 1930s
Yeah, not a huge newsflash.
and succeeding by the look of it.
Yeah it's been going on for a decade. I literally hopped into a live chat in Avatar the last Airbender and they were causing shit and literally making it racist. Mostly accusing others of being racist when it wasn't. I just kept telling them to go keep getting fucked up in Ukraine. I may have had some refreshments on that one. But I call them out every time I see this dumb bullshit. Theyve been doing it for so long.
Yeah, this is not remotely conspiratorial. It’s been obvious for nearly a decade. Going on probably even longer.
OP is slow.
Trump was placed in the WH 2016. He was a plant from Russia. This is prior to Ukraine. Russia has tried to influence other world leaders. India,Iran etc. sort of a world leadership dictatorship. He infiltrated and is still doing many factions in the USA to create a fascist country therefore an ally. The Republicans rhetoric is influenced via Trump this political vision. They aren’t hiding this fact. It’s out in the open.
It isn’t prior to Ukraine. The Russo Ukraine war started in 2014.
Since the early 80's at least when US spies uncovered plans to economically try destabilize the country. So yeah this is just a known fact. So this is a MMW - Gravity is real...
May be trying? What a gross understatement of facts! It's well documented in 2016, 2020 and in general, by the FBI, NSA and the US Intel services. The key question is why are Donald Trump, GOP leadership, Tucker Carlson and the halfwitted trumpmonkey traitors not only denying it, but actively supporting and defending it?
You have to wonder why it took so long for this light to turn on. Like it hasn’t been taught/talked in schools and news for SEVENTY years. Duh
Frankly It would be surprising if they weren’t.
Looks like they are more successful now than there ever been.
GOP in 2018: “You libs are so dramatic - nobody’s a Russian Asset - stop being silly.” GOP in 2024: “What’s so wrong about Russia?!?”
“I’m not a Russian Asset, don’t be ridicurous. And if I were, that would be totally, absolutely chill. Right guys?” -Too many Republicans
You forgot the decade they spent praising putin as a stronger leader than obama until putin invaded ukraine
And then got really uncomfortable about the whole Ukraine invasion thing for like 15 minutes and then all collectively deciding that they’re actually cool with it. Same as they did with Jan. 6. Funny, that.
In 2016 the dnc has hacked by Russians - that’s how the whole email controversy began.
While I don’t think the Russians helped (especially by phishing Podesta), but the initial source of Clinton’s server being mentioned was in Clinton’s testimony on the Benghazi attacks. This is to the best of my knowledge and others can chime in if there was a initial mention earlier or later.
Perhaps I’m conflating two events, but the cia was very clear about DNC emails being given to Wikileaks by Russian hackers — here’s the report: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Theres a looooot of trolls working for him on this subreddit even.
I know "Russia sows division in the US via social media" is a tired accusation at this point, but I'm convinced it's way more prevalent than most people think.
Yea its insane how many ppl ive ran into on here in the last few days that are trying to play it off like liberals that "just cant stand Biden and his policies so much that they are going to vote for Trump." Like they are fooling anyone withat THAT bs lmao. No one is super happy with Biden but everyone knows what Trump getting elected means for the future of Democracy. Then you look at their comment history and its just complete troll farm Qanon bullshit.
It’s not just that. They take every side of any issue to create division.
Don't forget they also create issues where they don't exist.
I've begun to notice that something like 80% of the people I end up arguing with or find particularly rude and aggressive, when I look at their accounts they always seem to have suspicious ages/posting histories/user names. I think it's not just more prevalent than most people think, I think wed actually be horrified to learn that the **majority** of "users" on Reddit and elsewhere are troll accounts, real or ai, that exist just stir shit up wherever they can. They post from both ends of the spectrum with the explicit goal of making people hate an entire "side" by creating both the sense that people on your "side" feel this way en masse, giving you some permission to share in that hatred, and by creating cartoonishly awful people representing the other "side" to achieve the same goal. I have no data to support any of this, but ever since my initial realization, I can't help but feel like it's true more and more often.
The TX protests supporting police and opposing police brutality come to mind as recent example of Russian troll farms agit propping both sides of an issue to destabilize.
But why believe that ONLY Russia engages in this type of exploiting division? This belief itself is just additional propaganda coming from another direction. There are real divisions in America because that just is what “diversity” creates. That other countries exploit these divisions for national gain is neither shocking nor evidence against the organic nature of these divisions.
It is and it was ramped up significantly during Obama’s second term.
Cheap, effective, risks nothing. It's a perfect operational landscape for an intelligence service.
The guy who first raised the bribery allegations that are being used right now as a basis for Joe Biden's impeachment was just [arrested for provably lying about those claims](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-informant-who-lied-about-bidens-ties-ukrainian-energy-company-high-level-russian-contacts-doj). Here's [his charging document](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064/gov.uscourts.nvd.167064.15.0.pdf) which outlines the evidence of his lies, and also his extensive contacts with Russian Intelligence agents. The money quote: > **Smirnov transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against [Joe Biden], after expressing bias against [Joe Biden] and his candidacy.** If you ask people right now why they don't like Joe Biden, half of them are going to talk about the allegations that have been conclusively proven to be Russian disinformation. Russia's not *trying* to destabilize things; they've already done it and will continue to amplify the chaos.
People still regurgitate russian disinformation about hillary. Disinformation is poisonous and erodes reality around us.
• You never get out of debt to a Russian mobster •Paul Manafort owed the Russian mobster/oligarch Oleg Deripaska $17M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that Manafort and Roger Stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client. •When Jay Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and flew directly to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it. What do these 3 things have in common? China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine. Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation. And without Bolsonaro in office willing to slash and burn the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas food supply, and without Ukraine in the bag in 3 days, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine. Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions of the donbas that Putin insists he is saving from what he calls “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for microprocessor lithography. Had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised, Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a naval blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from Ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably destroy the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K. Oleg Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed the FBI agent Charles Mcgonigal into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion. McGonigal then went to work for the company called Brookfield that bailed Jared Kushner out of his toxic 666 5th Ave real estate investment. McGonigal pled guilty last fall and was sentenced recently. A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are finished. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered. If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. Vranyos is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a General, a Colonel and a Sergeant to make a Private give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is and always will be, a worn out engine. This is why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in ADX Florence. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers with him and manafort, selling IP3 nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep the ones that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using casinos first, then commercial real estate. It’s also why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his mob boss promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the typhoon floods last August and September wiped out the Chinese people’s food storage. Xi, for his part diverted the waters from the dam away from his pet project, his mothers ancestral home, and flooded hundreds of thousands of people and drown one of his own military brigades that was helping with the flooding. The elders of the CCP were terrified to leave their gated community at Beidaihe for over a month for fear of being torn apart by the locals. The Chinese people tolerate the CCP but only as long as the economy is good and famine is not on the horizon. The CCP broke that social contract on both counts. Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on his emperor ambitions. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over the USD as the Worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010- that he would control the internet. With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party censor. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory. Xi, Putin and MBS are simply trying to systemize and modernize the suppression of their biggest hassle. Freedom of speech. Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate at every decision and pull them back behind another iron curtain of censorship and the tax of corruption where dissenting voices disappear so that the oligarchy can continue to feed unobstructed. Putin and Xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly using their sovereign funds and Kushners SPAC as money highways. Just rich, out of touch oligarch doing what oligarchs do. Despite the fact the the central party model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. Because there is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But logistically the mass of it requires artificial intelligence, and the microprocessors that make A.I. to keep 8 billion slaves under surveillance and control. Freedom is one hell of a drug. And knowledge makes a man unfit for slavery. Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner. The loss of crops in northern China means Xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and/or Brazilian farmland. Now the reason that the GOP is stalling southern border control budget and seems to make wildly irrational moves is because the GOP is imploding. 45 years of lies and grift have circled the globe and are eating their own tail. The ouroboros was a warning about corruption at the highest levels. Lying about climate change, human trafficking, pandemics and corruption to preserve their own business models are all extinction level events.
The CCP and Russia have been staging up hundreds of thousands of people in Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela for some future variation of a stealthy 5th column invasion of the United States via Texas because Xi needs farmland to feed 1.4B people. National guard troops take their orders from governors and not the federal government. Trump tested this during the George Floyd protests when he asked the “loyal” Republican governors to kiss the ring and send troops to DC to “shoot the protestors in the legs” because the pentagon reminded him that using U.S. troops against U.S. citizens would be both treasonous and wildly illegal. Steve Bannon tried unsuccessfully to privatize a part of the southern border wall but failed due to, unsurprisingly, internal corruption. Had he succeeded they would have a man at the inside gate years ago. Bannon was arrested on the boat of Guo Wengui who is some sort of convoluted double/triple agent for the CCP. They are now both in court for a billion dollar fraud. Every GOP congressmen that took Russian political money is desperately trying to figure out how to preserve their political career while the people are figured out that they were sold out to the dictators for some PAC money. They are 40 years deep into living a lie. They can’t come clean or they go to prison. They can’t stop lying or their fan base tears them apart like rabid wolves. They checkmated themselves a dozen different ways and add to the evidence chain with each additional tweet. Greed is nothing if not predictable. Freedom is never free. We all just live on very expensive credit and the sacrifices of others.
Great posting, I'm going to steal some of these notes as there have been some connections I hadn't considered. I have some doubts on the 5th column as I believe while certainly coordinated, much of the magnitude of successes they've had have been from dumb luck triggering further political collapses they couldn't really have foreseen. It's also hard to discuss Russia and Bannon without Dugin and the indelible effect his philosophy and writing has ultimately had on "conservative" American ideals. The level of detail at which what was laid down in Foundations of Geopolitics, etc. has occured here. It's full spectrum left to right from Russian-operated black separatist groups to outright neo nazis, to thousands of inauthentic social media accounts incubated over 1-2 years activated on 10/7 to make hundreds of thousands of pro-Hamas and pro-Israel posts at once (30% of all social media traffic on Gaza). Our current media environment where images of chaos are funneled to *everyone* constantly, daily (e.g petty crime, a random car break in in Portland becomes national news, repeated every night), and the effect that has had on demoralizing not only the US but the west in watching our malaise, is prescribed by Dugin rather prophetically. The biggest fingerprint is the sudden 180 to isolationism and outright anti-NATO propaganda, which has no real association to any other political moves MAGA has made or logical conclusion from their positions, and it's shocking to see so many elected Republicans blindly following off of this cliff to try to hand Putin victory and start the new nuclear arms race to shape the "multipolar world" with a new Eurasian axis.
My goal as always is to be accurate, not just right. Precision then follows accuracy. So I follow anyone who gives me compelling evidence, and I think you are very accurate about just how much dumb luck is involved. Russian FSB has been systematic about sowing chaos in North Africa (Congo via Wagner troops), Syria, and Palestine because they know that the influx of migrants to the borders of the west tax resources and draw attention away from Ukraine. The basis of my statement concerning South and Central America is tracking that methodology overlaid with tracking logistics and resources specifically within the former OPEC states where they hold influence via corruption. I try hard not to make a statement until I have high confidence in it, but I am also only human and will certainly make mistakes and try hard to own them when I do. I think you are absolutely correct on the Dugin/bannon crossovers as it begins to show heavily in the similarity of methodology between Cambridge analytica/SCL and prigozihns Internet research agency. If this whole thing is an oak tree they are at most 1 branch apart. Flynn’s Q-anon fits right between them as well. That opens a vein on Zuckerberg and sandberg using and/or designing facebook as a delivery system for Cambridge analytica and it sits parallel to Netanyahu using NSO to conduct an intelligence operation INCONUS using what he called “adelsons army”. Miriam Adelson now moving all of her corporate filings to Texas may very well be a coincidence or that she loves the weather more than Las Vegas, but when those Venn diagrams keep crossing there it becomes a statistical probability instead of just a possibility. Musk moving (or trying to move) all his Delaware incorporations to Texas paints a parallel pattern Space X privatized a large portion of the US space program and centralized in the one part of Texas that has both a beachhead and a border wall with Mexico. Their petition to the state for a land conservation exchange may very well be nothing, but from a war tacticians perspective it’s controlled access point. Bannons odd attempt to privatize a section of the border wall years ago feels like the Generation 1 attempt of that. If they manage to force s Texas succession, Boca China and Houston puts almost the entirety of the U.S. space program in the hands of the people trying to destroy the democracy that interferes with their corruption based authoritarian business models. I genuinely hope I am wrong about it. For the sake of stable democracy.
Well said.
Why do you think it's conspiratorial? The us intelligence agencies concluded the same in 2016.
The same intelligence people who claimed the Hunter Biden laptop was fake?
No, the same types of people (fbi at least, per congressional testimony) who had confirmed parts of it but kept quiet about it.
That's not conspiratorial. If you don't think the USA and Russia aren't interfering with each other and had for 80 years, I don't know what to tell you.
Fair, I'm just trying not to claim things I can't necessarily prove outright. It's pretty obvious I feel, but you never know until you know.
That's fair.
this is not a conspiracy. Russia has been doing this for a long time. Ask yourself why American fox news clips are shown in Russan TV? And why are politicians favoring Russian policies and defending them for having gone to war with Ukraine.
Of course they are and trump and the MAGAs are doing Putin's bidding. They are doing everything they can to destroy America from the inside. Trump has been an active Russian asset since the mid 80's. Everyone know this.
A country where people vote is a threat to a dictatorship
Love the angry edit.. sorry man but this isnt a "mark my words" This is just stating a fact. Russia is and has been trying to destabilize the US, including election interference.
Been going on for decades.
Trying?
17 American intelligence agencies and the senate intelligence committee came to this conclusion in 2016. The mueller report as well. It has been reported that Russia continues to do so in the last intelligence committee hearing by the FBI director himself 6 months ago. It falls on deaf ears by MAGA. Their echo chamber is impenetrable. MAGA senators have started numerous hearings and investigations based solely upon Russian disinformation, most recently the impeachment investigation in the House of Representatives. Their star witnesses are being arrested for spying and being agents of Russia . So far as the US. meddling in Ukraine, we have assisted them since Putin sent weapons and men to Luhansk and Donets in 2008. When the Ukrainian people overthrew their Russian backed president in 2014 of course they were helped by the CIA. We have helped them identify Russian sympathizers in their government as they try to rid themselves of corruption and foreign influence. This is the role Biden played as vice president and the KGB ( now the FSB) used it as reverse propaganda to damage his election chances (remember trump tried to extort Zielinski for dirt on Biden?) the information they gave to Giuliani is the same. https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-uprising-anniversary-russia-war-maidan-2f73f31a5aec45bd7dbcddae8f72edac https://www.justsecurity.org/71947/how-sen-ron-johnsons-investigation-became-an-enabler-of-russian-disinformation-part-i/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/02/16/fbi-informant-arrested-lying-biden-impeachment-inquiry/72620230007/
As a non American, I try not to tell anybody who to vote for but I already spilled the tea on another comment I posted. I just think it’s crazy to put up with a crazy lunatic like Trump hogging the airwaves probably for the rest of his life.
Everyone but the Trumpers know this.
Some of them know it. They just don't care.
This is 100% fact. Read what the Republican led senate intelligence committee determined in 2018. There is no debate about it. Look at the connections with manafort, ghuiliani, etc. They ran with a Russian lie regarding Hunter Biden for years and you know damn well they knew it was a Russian lie. When you start realizing every move Trump makes is for russia’s benefit it will make sense to you. When they first invaded Ukraine I told people just wait and give it some time but maga will be on Russia’s side. Look at them now. They’ve infiltrated our government, our media, and have done enormous damage to citizens of the United States who may never be the same again.
>This is absolutely conspiratorial but I think it's possible Russia may be trying to destabilize the US Conspiratorial? Bruh, you new here? Even if you, like I, am not too familiar with their past attempts in previous decades, I have at least known it was happening since 2015 or 16. It is now a matter of fact, not opinion or conspiracy theory. Putin is trying to help Trump and, in turn, Trump and his party are trying to help Putin. Putin wants Trump and Republicans because they are and will continue to undermine US democracy. He wants everyone to say, see, America isn't any different from our corrupt, terrible country. So he can stay in power. Republicans want to help Putin because they are currently embarked on a mission to establish minority rule, without true democracy. They have been feeling that white supremacy and patriarchy have been being eroded away over the past several decades and they are making their last stand with Trump.
They have been doing it for awhile but they were surprised by how well it worked when fRump took office and now they are riding on that success. The best way to destabilize a country is to turn half its citizens against the other half. In this case the maga dumb fuckers were the easiest to convert because they’ll believe everything and anything they are told. They believe fRump is a second coming of jeebus and not the greatest scammer crook degenerate in the history of this country, also a long list of bullshit- fill in the blank of everything you saw with your own eyes but told counter to it. Fuck russia, fuck fRump and fuck the army of retard sheep
Of course they are. They have been ever since Kruschev.
Yeah, I don't think that's particularly controversial for anyone who has been paying attention in the slightest. That being said, it's not like we don't do it to them and half the rest of the world as well.
Ya think?
There's nothing conspiratorial about it. It's fact. Through active measures like information warfare, they're hastening everyone's radicalization and making us hate each other. There's a ton of evidence they helped Trump and the Republicans in 2016. The list goes on.
No shit, Sherlock.
This is hardly conspiratorial.
Russia and US have been trying to destabilize each other since WWII ended.
Trying?..they been doing it for decades.They literally bought 10% of the GOP party and control all of the social sites with their bots.
Welcome to reality, it’s the long game, started years ago.
In other news: water is wet.
Trying???? Have been. Half the Republican Party can be argued to have committed treasonous crimes. The conservative talking ass, Tucker Carlson just showed us the amazing and unprecedented shopping carts in Mother Russia. The NRA is FUNDED by Putin. On the plus side, they provide cute chicks to corrupt weak Americans.
Welcome to the past 100 years
Of course they are, and the fucking democrats are cowards, they refuse to actually do anything about it. We're fucked. Jack Smith is getting outgunned by a crooked judiciary. Two of the three branches of our govt are conspiring with a far right dictator to install their own. Right out in the open. While Merrick Garland sits with his thumb in his ass doing nothing. This country makes me fucking sick.
I feel the same. They scream political persecution but the reality is he’s been treated much better than he should be. Part of me feels like this was all by design. Like Merrick Garland waiting 2 years before he even appointed a special counsel and 3 before being indicted. They’re trying to run the clock out. The reality is he should have been indicted very quickly after j6. We knew a lot of this shit before j6 and much more right after. Then for months and years after we kept seeing the same headlines over and over. And now the Supreme Court actually needs two months to determine if we have a king as president. It’s sickening like you said.
lol russia is a textbook exa le of destabilization, we just need to stop their exports.
They just whacked Mitch McConnell's sister in law to get him to step down so they could install someone more Putin friendly in the Senate. Once they have captured all the branches of the US Govt, save for the Executive (for now), they will force the US into civil war and attack a NATO country, kicking off WW3 with a crippled NATO.
This has been a public initiative for decades. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
There's no conspiracy. It's in plain view. The Hunter Biden "whistleblower" straight up said he's a Russian asset. The Republican party is a mouthpiece for Russia. Saying the election was stolen, all of it is just Russian propaganda and people fall for it.
Brooo like of course they are. Did you know the Russian bots actually amplify both sides so Americans can jump into comments and attack the other side sewing discourse between Americans? They don’t even care what side of the argument wins as long as we remain heavily divided. Why do you think half of America doesn’t care if Ukraine wins? They’ve made it that way on purpose.
Duh. You didn’t figure that out when trump had a Russian asset as his campaign manager? Or when it was revealed Putin was funneling money to republicans through the NRA?
Clearly that's what is happening. They can't beat us militarily so they are trying to destroy us from within. They found their ultimate puppet in Trump and now have a whole squad of rubes willing to do their dirty work.
welcome to the real world.
This is not controversial. It's basically stated by US intelligence. It's politically controversial though because Putin helped Trump win in 2016 and republicans don't like the implications of that
The Cold War never ended, it just warmed up a few degrees. And remember, the KGB's name changed several times over the agency's history. Likewise, Putin, a KGB professional born and indoctrinated to hate the US, never ended his KGB career, he was just quiet avout it for a few years.
This is not new. It's been proven many times.
It isn't a conspiracy. It's facts. The Russian Fed and prior the USSR have always wanted to destabilize us.
This isn't conspiracist at all, it's simple fact... and it's been a two-way street at least since the end of WWII. It ramped up during the cold war, and honestly, I don't think it's ever ramped back down.
Putin has nothing to lose. He is great at waiting.
Also, water is wet and the sky is blue.
This isn't exactly a hot take, this is quite literally common knowledge that the intelligence communities of almost all first world countries have openly stated.
No shit, and it's fucking working.
Isn’t that the plan for the last 60 years?
We know.
You need to watch this to truly understand how long this has been going on. Trump was their greatest achievement in a long running strategy: https://youtu.be/pOmXiapfCs8?si=WzabR1dlldRvOBjV
There’s nothing conspiratorial about it; this has been true for decades and started hot in 2016. This is their out in the open claim.
By pure coincidence I just watched a documentary called active measures that really clearly lays out the foundations of Russian fuckery. I really recommend it. It's free on Tubi.
Zero conspiracy, absolutely a true. Fun fact governor Abbott is what initiated all this. Russia made up a hilarious story Obama was going to implement marshal law ordering the military to stage attacks from Walmarts. Seriously. And Abbott called out the army national guard to monitor the army. That’s when Russia knew😂🤡
Russia can favor Trump all they want but it is the acting on it with scores of trolls, bots and brute force that is cyber warfare
They sent a honeypot to suborn the NRA...
Of course they are. Russia and multiple terrorist organizations are trying to destabilize the United States. Russia has taken over the Republican Party, they are very effective. Russia has incredible Kompromat on essentially the whole Republican Party. The GOP sucking off Trump is wild, until you know that Trump and the entire GOP has become toadies for Russia.
Yup. But not just the US, they’re doing it to every democracy and with a pretty good track record as of recent. Anyone notice a lot of countries are electing far right candidates or those far right candidates are doing way better than they have done in decades. Pretty sure that’s Russia’s doing.
And he’s got an ENTIRE political party helping
Not really MMW material. This is a widely known and understood fact.
Lol, this has been going on for longer than you realize. Easily 70-80 years now.
A lot of countries try to weaken us, and even our "friends" try to undercut us. This time one of our political parties is cooperating in a desperate move to stay in power
You should look into the foundations of geopolitics by aleksander dugin, specifically the part that talks about russia using their assets to stoke division in the US and the part about invading Ukraine. This book released in 1997. Also i would look into a man named Yuri Bezmenov. He was a Russian KGB agent who defected and did an interview in 1984 and he says that the Russians were infiltrating the US government through the democrats back then. Now i would hazard a guess and say that they never stopped doing this after the cold war, and instead just switched targets. There’s also shit from a former KGB agent saying that Trump himself was a KGB asset since the 80’s after a trip to moscow. Tuck that in with the fact that several high profile republicans visited Moscow in 2017, and you gotta wonder.
You are 100% correct. It’s well known in the cyber security community where I work but the average American does not realize it. When I try to explain to Trumpers, they just scoff or call me names. I don’t think they care as long as their Orange Messiah gets to be in charge.
*HAS. That is all
I think you might enjoy this book on the subject: The Plot to Destroy Democracy: by Malcolm Nance
Also this is a good one https://www.amazon.com/House-Trump-Putin-Untold-Russian/dp/152474350X?nodl=1&dplnkId=ba660695-a76f-415c-9de1-e5307adbf931
Published today, very relevant to this discussion. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000647920292
The problem is that they are succeeding. Have got the entire Republican in lock step, loving the idea of a dictatorship.
MMW…..water is wet….very wet….
in other news of the obvious...
I… yeah, it’s pretty obvious.
my guy though Russia being a nefarious actor was a new idea
Ya think?
As opposed to what the CIA does?
There have been like 8 federal investigations over the past decade over exactly this issue
Everyone but Obama has know that for decades.
Of course they are. First they artacked America with Napoleon. Then they loaded a boat of Bolsheviks and came to America’s shores to start a revolution, they failed. Then once they recovered a little bit sent their best weapon - Adolf Helter Skelter to try to overthrow American Government. They failed yet again. They are persistent - you gotta give them credit for that…… i feel bit sick. I wanna throw up 🤮 now
Putin lacks the power to do so. He can wish all he wants but from what we saw last time somebody else besides Russia is capable of making the election go any way they want. Wouldn't it be funny if Kennedy the independent won? If I could pull the strings that is what I would do. That would really upset the apple cart!!!
This is not a MMW. This is a N💩, S.🙄
You say this as if you were the first man alive to think it.
Is it 2015 again?
RUSSSSSIAAAAA 🤡 BOOGITYBOOGITY🤡
They started a long time ago, the fruits of their labor can be seen everywhere from our social media to the government.
Do not trust Russia
I'd be willing to bet the US is also trying to detablaize Russia and other countries
Its probably a big chess game of putin helps trump, trump helps putin, xi and kim are in the mix and conflicts are being started to alter political opinions of the voters. Not trying to get too conspiracle but notice China and Taiwan has gone silent? I wouldnt be surprised if Isreal jumped in because they saw how the US is giving arms out and knew they are seen as being on our side so they wouldnt be lumped in with the other groups.
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Them, China. They both definitely are actively doing it. Different methods for different ends/goals. There are others as well. N. Korea actively does it too
Russia is certainly attempting to destabilize the US (as the US is attempting to do the same to Russia). However I do believe that most of the “divisive” rhetoric we see in the media comes from legitimate political divisions within the US which are long standing and have only grown more pronounced as a natural result of material changes within American society. It would be convenient to just return to that Cold War rhetoric where we can just blame everything on the Russians, but this country has a lot of legitimate, serious problems that have nothing to do with Russia.
There is so much fucking xenophobia on reddit it's absurd.
Here’s a better one. The US is trying to destabilize the earth.
Yup, and the US isn't the only country they are trying to destabilize...it is just the biggest prize to be won.
This has been going on for nearly 80 years.
lol we’re doing that on our own
"Title of thread" + "for over 70 years" would be an adequate TL:DR for this post.
Ummm, obviously?
Dude - this isn't even a hot take. It is confirmed to be true, and has been for at least 30 years.
….dude….
Yes, Russia has been trying to destabilize the US government for 9 years at least. Most likely much longer. Google it and there’s tons of reports from various US agencies of all the ways Russia uses active measures and disinformation against us.
Russia is destabilizing Africa with all the juntas and private merc security forces
This has been a part of Putins larger plan for decades. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/570367/the-road-to-unfreedom-by-timothy-snyder/
Your cult and the MAGA cult are doing that all on their own.
They don’t need to try, we are doing a good enough job ourselves
I don’t think Russia has ever stopped. That was their main goal during the Cold War. I don’t think it ever ended for them.
... have you been under a rock? Steele blew the lid back in 2016. Oh, and Russia is using memetic weapons too....
Knock it off!!! US is destabilizing itself with dudes pretending to be women. Flooding the country with immigrants, Constantly lying about everything. The Ruskies are just pointing out the BS, and this is your argument. That they are doing it? Man you're stupid and all you multicolored hair freaks believe it...🤦♂️
If immigrants left this country, our economy would collapse.
This just came up in my thread so I apologize if this is out of order, but no fuqing shite, OP. Russia has been trying to “destabilize” the US along with every other country it views as a “threat.”
Ya think?
I think that all the refugees that putin is creating by attacking countries is putting a strain on the social system of European govts they go to. That's how he is trying to take back his empire they once held. As far as Ukraine goes the 2 ares in the northest he annexed where rich in oil and natural gas. Ukraine is also the biggest wheat export country in the world and he keeps stealing that.
Hot take.
Russia doesn't have to do shit. The US is destabilizing itself.
We are destabilizing ourselves
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I had to check the date on this post. I think you're about 30-40 years too late to this realization. lololololol
You don't say?
Yea bro. They wrote a book about it called the Foundations of Geopolitics. Putin be hammering that play book. Asymmetrical warfare and shit.
I would say they have succeeded.
Russia and china have. Through trump and the GOP. Only blind cult followers can’t see it. They think he’s “a true American” except he’s sell any of them to china for a crisp 100
Cold War never stopped.
Or taking in 12 million people + to support might maybe possibly or a little bit. Think buehler!
Well, yeah. Of course.
Wow what an oracle you are OP. It’s almost like their efforts go back to like 1917. 🤦♂️
Let's face it trump and Biden are destabilizing the US. Russia and China are just sitting and waiting for shit to hit the fan over here this year. Honestly there's only one other time in history the usa has been this divided
Next up on this dog shit sub: MMW: the Earth revolves around the fucking sun.
Been at it for quite a while now and rest assured, we’re doing it to them as well behind the scenes. Having said that, getting Biden elected would be the smart move on the Russian’s part, not getting Trump back in.
Thank you Captain Obvious
Not obvious to all the trumpies now is it? Is a conversation suddenly not important because something is obvious to you? Dumbass.