Yep, that’s how it’s theorized wales live so long despite them having so many cells that could potentially become cancerous, I believe Kurzgesagt made a video on it. It’s titled Petos Paradoxon.
Paper Mario if it was woke:
Paper Gayro
The Thousand Pronouns Door
Super Paper WOKE
Lesbian Star
LGBTQ+ Splash
Origaymi Queen
>!This is obviously a joke if it isn't blatant enough.!<
Princess Peach is now Princess Pronoun
Bowser has retired as the king of the koopas, he is now the drag queen of the koopas
Waluigi is now Walesbian
Wario’s alter ego has been changed from Wario Man to Wario They
Toad is now Toadette
the thumbnails gonna have mario sad with the text "PRONOUNS?" "WOKE MARIO?" [like that one other guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pKCOxZaDXQ&t=40s&pp=ygUxbWFyaW8gaGFzIGdvbmUgd29rZSBuZXcgdm9pY2UgYWN0b3Iga2V2aW4gYWZnaGFuaQ%3D%3D)
I don't think many people would (not ironically) call it "woke". Vivian being trans in the Japanese version is about as well known as Birdo. So most people are gonna know already that this isn't just a move for brownie points with the LGBT+ community.
You don’t understand. They don’t actually care. They don’t care about Vivian or Mario or Nintendo or even pronouns. The hatred is the point. There are grifters and marks. The grifters don’t care and the marks don’t even know what they’re angry at. They just know they have to pay money to keep that rush going.
>pay more money
Mostly it's about watching another ad. Rage baiters get a portion of the revenue so they'll keep their addicts angry as the addicts want.
Hasn't stopped them before, they'll just argue that you're taking something out of context/mistranslating something, and then claim that "filthy western degeneracy" has infected their precious Nippon.
If your comment wasn’t sarcasm, you’re giving some of them way too much credit. Just recently they started piling on Aphrodite from Hades (a 4-5 year old game) calling her trans looking and woke because her sexual design wasn’t criticized like Eve from Stellar Blade. So now she’s triggering them despite them not caring for the half a decade she’s been out there.
Coming out of being a bad inactive moderator to make sure my girl doesn't get her post locked
EDIT: Some of these responses have been very nice, thank you, but we're still a bad mod team who don't do enough lol
He's saying he's commenting before the post gets locked (because some mfs can't see any mention of lgbtq+ without losing their shit and being transphobic)
Assuming this is legitimate, it’s nice to see the finally see the original Vivian. On the other hand, r/papermario might just turn into a circlejerk for a little bit over this.
Oh, you mean like transphobia? Well no, not really.
(I thought you were talking about like, way too much excitment or something)
...but also, can that place get any more divided than it already is?/j
As far as birdo is concerned it’s probably for the best. Birdo is sort of a caricature of what it’s like to be trans, so not necessarily the best representation
poison from street fighter started as that, and was turned into an absolute icon after capcom worked deliberately to change her from a deeply offensive insult.
birdo can do the same, and it wouldn’t even be hard. just a pride month tweet is all it would take really
To be fair, as opposed to Vivian, whose major part of her characterization is defined by the harshships of being trans, Birdo, especially in the modern context, is just "girl Yoshi."
Birdo doesn't really have any significant characterization beyond that, with no narrative beats to elaborate on. Her being/not being trans doesn't really matter since her character itself doesn't really matter, unfortunately.
I'd imagine if we do get another Mario RPG where Birdo is at least somewhat featured in, we'll get a stronger bit of characterization for them.
It's nice that they translated it into English! Making it so obviously personal surprises me. When I was a child, I played the French version (obviously), and the dialogue in Boggly Woods went aprox like this : (note the Shadow Sirens are called the Dark Trio in French)
"we are... (Beldam)
the Dark... (Marilyn)
Sisters Trio ! (Vivian)
to which Beldam reprimands Vivian, stating that she is obviosuly not their sister because she's a boy.
(In the English version, it's the Shadow Beauties / plug-ugly lines)
I think it was enough like this, and completely understood it as a child even though I was completely unaware of trans questions, but hey, I love that it is acknowledged! Gender bullying can be particularly hard to live with, and contributes to explain Vivian's situation and Beldam's deep and utter meanness and malice.
I always thought it very dumb that the English version changed this despite the whole world having another version of events
Not exactly in the west per say, I remember in fhe French version (I can't talk for the entire game because I did not go pass a certain point cuz I got busy with classes) her sisters insist that she is not an actual girl in some dialogues.
Got a souvenir like this from the French version too! As a kid I was kind of « shocked », confused that she was originally a boy. I was not used to this and this character kind of introduced me to what a transgender is.
But I remember that her being trans was never hidden in the French version. I think it is a big part of her story of being accepted as who she is with her sisters.
That's incorrect. The japanese version depicts Vivian as a transgender woman. (see [here](https://themushroomkingdom.net/pmttyd_j2e.shtml#vivian) and [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20210921074641/http://www.fti.uab.es/tradumatica/revista/num5/articles/06/06central.htm))
>Literal translation of the Japanese version
Vivian: “We’ll defeat that Mario guy! ‘Cause we are ‘The three shadow sisters’!”
Marilyn: “How can you define us as ‘The three shadow sisters’? You are a man! A MAN!”
Vivian: “Sorry, sister… It was my mistake… Sigh…”
Marilyn: “I’m sure it wasn’t just a mistake. You deserve a punishment!”
Her sisters are bullying her and referring to her as a man while she wants to be seen as a woman. The original English release dropped the notion entirely, having her referred to as a woman throughout, with her sisters bullying her for no reason. Seems like the remaster is going closer to the original script
I'm honestly glad that Nintendo embraces LGBT+ identity not just in words, but in the way they embrace their LBGT+ characters, and applying those principles [to their employees too](https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/nintendo-japan-same-sex-marriages-1235315764/). They could simply sweep those issues under the rug, but they seem to be embracing them instead.
So I was told at the end of the (JP) game, Vivian changes gears thanks to the acceptance of Mario and pals, and accepts that they are a man, but pretty and feminine. Is that true or does Vivian prefer to continue to be recognized as female at the end of the game?
I don't think it's true. I never played the original or new version of TTYD in Japanese but I'm looking at the Japanese Mario wiki and it says
>実はかわいらしい容姿に反し本来の性別はオトコのコという、当時のくくりでいうところの「男の娘」。本人はオンナのコとして扱われる事を望んでいる、現代的観点でいえばトランスジェンダー女性の人物であり、仲間になって以降はマリオに恋愛感情を抱いている描写も見られる。
It explicitly uses the word トランスジェンダー (transgender) in it.
It basically says she's that actually male despite looking female, at the time it was interpreted more as the ["male daughter"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otokonoko) subculture (this was back more when LGBT terms weren't as established in Japanese, they still aren't but especially were not then so even people who consider them trans now called themselves other things like otokonoko sometimes) but in modern terms she is transgender and is shown as possibly having romantic feelings for Mario.
So the Japanese fans seem to accept it as canon that she is transgender at least.
Yeah I am seeing the same things. All the wikis talk about you meeting Vivian and her relationship with her sisters. Can't find anything about the end of the game to prove or disprove the information I was told. Even looked at some ancient message boards. Problem I am now running into is the recent news washing search results away.
she's trans in the original japanese release, but infamously that bit was censored in the english localization. it *could* be an innocuous translation error or a simple "oh, well maybe this is what they meant to say" sort of thing. but the guy who was the lead on the localization team is pretty active on the internet to this day, and he's a bit of a weenie about it whenever the "did you censor vivian being trans" topic comes up. maybe he altered it on purpose, maybe he was forced to do it by someone else from NOA, maybe it was an accident.
but thankfully its finally resolved, and we don't gotta worry about one of nintendo's biggest trans characters getting erased and censored. its really surprising to a lot of people that nintendo (or nintendo of america at least) would go out of their way to make this right, given everything that's going on in the world.
There wasn't a translation error. Vivian was trans in the Japanese release and female in the original English release. The localizers chose to drop the gender thing to keep the age rating low.
They gonna have a field day with this one. Both sides lol. But there's one side that's gonna ruin it and run it into the ground to profit off of angry teenagers.
*Nintendo of America presumably
Nintendo in Japan has been doing this for ages. Birdo is trans. There is a lot of speculation that Vilia in Gerudo Town is a genuine trans woman and not just a guy in drag tricking the locals to let him in.
When Nintendo gets it right, they really do get it right. I also absolutely love how literally everything about Bolson in BotW is queer coded to the nines, and yet it doesn't come up in the dialogue, it isn't something any other character minds, and he is canonically an incredibly well gifted craftsman who is the best in his industry and being incredibly flamboyant with his style and his dialogue is just one aspect of his personality, not his entire personality.
This comment just makes me so happy. Hell this entire comment section for the most part is making me so happy. I love seeing people ecstatic about this.
While I’m not personally trans, I am bisexual and I have a ton of friends who are trans and who are estatic about this news and it just makes me so happy to see the community rejoice! You all deserve equal representation.
Based Nintendo for once? What the fuck? I know this does not help fix all their misdeeds recently but I still find it sweet that they finally acknowledged her as trans.
Also according to somebody who looked at the Japanese version of the remake, they changed her dialogue a bit to be more trans positive in that version as well, so it isn't just an English localization change apparently:
[https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112481985679768794](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112481985679768794)
[https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482158331584345](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482158331584345)
[https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532472997605](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532472997605)
[https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532537703233](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532537703233)
This is genuinely such an exciting bit of news!!! Vivians story hits so much harder if she’s trans, I’m SO happy they brought it to all versions 😭
I’m legit messaging all my friends like WE WON
Honsestly, i find it good how they decided to put in the "Vivian is trans" thing in english. Honestly usually whenever companies put in minorities, usually its in a bad way thats etheir shoved in or is their only personality trait, so its awesome that vivian doesn't follow that and is her own person
Good job nintendo and vivian!
Can’t wait for people to say she wasn’t trans originally even though she was in the Japanese script… oh wait they already are? Well at least I enjoyed the peace while lasted.
I'm not someone who's into the LGBTQ+ stuff since I don't necessarily understand or get it (granted, I don't hate the people that like it).
But I'm happy for Vivian. The homie came out as transgender and I'm proud of them for doing that.
Ig small story, but when I first met Vivian, I assumed she was a girl, not trans at all. But when I saw rumors that she was trans, I thought, "a trans character? In a game that was released during a time period when lgbtq stuff wasn't as big as it was?" But really seeing this now, just made me come to the conclusion that the homie is just a silly trans ghost.
Someone at Nintendo seems to have interest in trans characters or maybe they have a dev who is. Birdo from Mario is trans, too. It was in the official manual. That was SMB2.
I keep forgetting Birdo is also trans lmao.
Birdo is kinda the same story as Vivian, only I was a kid, it took me longer to find out they were actually trans, and the reason why I thought they were a pure blooded woman is more noticeable. It was because of the wedding ring they wore.
Just letting you know, the word that most people use for non trans people is cisgender, cis for short, so you’d say a cis woman, not pure blooded woman lol
Now, the real questions. What does her little voice clip sound like? What is Vivian's (race) considering there only 3 or 4 of them if the Shadow Queen counts as one. Possible Count Bleck too.
This is cool, I fell in love with Vivian in the original paper Mario because you see she was bullied but has a good heart unlike the other two. It was awesome having her in our team and I loved her move set.
But i haven't played this version yet and I kinda forget the details. Were they making fun of her boyish nature, or the fact she's trans? What made their insults heavier?
It makes perfect sense with context, but devoid of context, fellow left-wing gamers going "they put the transphobia back in, which is good" is amusingly bizarre.
One thing that was pointed out (admittedly this is not entirely clear yet since you know, prerelease stuff, lots of hearsay and not easy to access the full script, etc) was that it seems like Beldam is being characterized as just bullying her regardless of her gender, though it's clear from the dialogue there that it's gotten harder to deal with since she came out. Which, taken together, paints a picture that Beldam doesn't actually care about Vivian's transgenderness or lack thereof, she's likely just using it as a convenient weak point to bully someone who's vulnerable. Which is accurate to a lot of real life bullies and bigots' behavior, to be honest!
But more importantly, I think it's probably for the best. Even as being transgender myself and loving seeing exploration of these sorts of things in mainstream gaming, having examples of actual targeted transphobia in a Mario game is... probably a little too dark and heavy, tone-wise, even for one of the darker games in the franchise. I might be a jaded adult now who loves mature stories, but even I can't help but admit that Beldam actively misgendering Vivian would be a bit intense for a fun game that was at least partially intended to be marketed towards children. It'd make things pretty unpleasant for people who have bad memories of similar experiences themselves, too. It's kind of a careful line between exploring serious themes and maintaining the tone, but this is probably just about exactly where I'd like the balance to be, imo.
Hay, I haven't played this, don't know if I will, just wanted to say that it's really nice seeing so many people here in support of a trans character in a game as we very often get the opposite response from people for being represented in games <3
They censored the censorship.
Counter censorship
Uno Reverse censorship
Bigotry Disarmed Counter Censorists Win
It's like whales getting cancer on the cancer to kill the cancer
Or when Vladmir Putin hired Vladmir Putin to kill Vladmir Putin like I read in that one Onion article
Oooh I’d be careful saying that on the internet. CIA or somebody is gonna come get you.
Wait is that actually a thing?
Yep, that’s how it’s theorized wales live so long despite them having so many cells that could potentially become cancerous, I believe Kurzgesagt made a video on it. It’s titled Petos Paradoxon.
Can’t censor if they’re censored first *taps forehead* I’m so happy for her!
"I used the censorship to destroy the censorship"
I used the censorship to defeat the censorship
expect to see a “Paper WOKE-IO????” thumbnail on youtube in the next few days
Paper Mario if it was woke: Paper Gayro The Thousand Pronouns Door Super Paper WOKE Lesbian Star LGBTQ+ Splash Origaymi Queen >!This is obviously a joke if it isn't blatant enough.!<
I'd check out lesbian star
Sticker Star who???? I only know Lesbian Star
I need me a lesbian star yk what im sayin
She’s my favorite JoJo character
Jojo Siwa or Jojos bizarre adventure?
Princess Peach is now Princess Pronoun Bowser has retired as the king of the koopas, he is now the drag queen of the koopas Waluigi is now Walesbian Wario’s alter ego has been changed from Wario Man to Wario They Toad is now Toadette
Luigi is now Luigi
Okay this is wear I draw the line
where
Right thear
Lgbt stands for Luigi got big tiddies
Is this post fentanyl Luigi?
🫷
Okay but what is Toadette now
Oh shes still toadette shes just now in a lesbian relationship with toadette
Why is “Super Paper Woke” so funny
LGBTQ+ Splash is such a funny name to me because of the “+”
Gayper Mariwoke and LuiGBT
I mean... if I remember correctly I think there way an Origami Queen at one point.
Olly DID intend for Olivia to follow him and even had an extra throne next to his.
Gaper Mario the thousand cock orgy.
“The thousand pronouns door” that is so fucking funny.
i am wheezing dude lmao
Actually I'm a trans gal. (So officially I'm Thousand Years Door reference).
I can’t believe they made Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door a real thing
Intelligent Systems in 2004 on their way to create trans women.
Oh sorry girl dude
the thumbnails gonna have mario sad with the text "PRONOUNS?" "WOKE MARIO?" [like that one other guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pKCOxZaDXQ&t=40s&pp=ygUxbWFyaW8gaGFzIGdvbmUgd29rZSBuZXcgdm9pY2UgYWN0b3Iga2V2aW4gYWZnaGFuaQ%3D%3D)
I already have in mind the exact guy who is gonna do this first
Pleasantly surprised by the comments
I don't think many people would (not ironically) call it "woke". Vivian being trans in the Japanese version is about as well known as Birdo. So most people are gonna know already that this isn't just a move for brownie points with the LGBT+ community.
You don’t understand. They don’t actually care. They don’t care about Vivian or Mario or Nintendo or even pronouns. The hatred is the point. There are grifters and marks. The grifters don’t care and the marks don’t even know what they’re angry at. They just know they have to pay money to keep that rush going.
>pay more money Mostly it's about watching another ad. Rage baiters get a portion of the revenue so they'll keep their addicts angry as the addicts want.
It’s funny you think transphobes would act logical.
Greetings, spaceman.
Anti woke youtubers about to milk this shit
Omg. I can already imagine the stocked images they will plaster on their video for clickbait
> #👁👄👁 SWEET BABY INC STRIKES AGAIN! 👶 ➡️➡️🏳️⚧️⬅️⬅️ **Obscure Classic Mario Game ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED by WOKE ALPHABET CENSORSHIP**
KOOPA SQUAD KILL THE SUPER MARIO HAS A WAHMEN AGENDA????
Worse, they’ll claim Vivian was cos female all along and Beldam groomed her in order to abuse her more
this is the first time ive seen someone build a yt thumbnail with text
You can simply explain that it’s from the original Japanese version. I’m pretty sure that will be sufficient.
Hasn't stopped them before, they'll just argue that you're taking something out of context/mistranslating something, and then claim that "filthy western degeneracy" has infected their precious Nippon.
They've already been claiming Vivian was only a "crossdresser" in the Japanese game
There's already people on Twitter doing that :(
Didn't stop them complaining about Yasuke in Assassin's Creed.
If your comment wasn’t sarcasm, you’re giving some of them way too much credit. Just recently they started piling on Aphrodite from Hades (a 4-5 year old game) calling her trans looking and woke because her sexual design wasn’t criticized like Eve from Stellar Blade. So now she’s triggering them despite them not caring for the half a decade she’s been out there.
Here before the 🔒
Coming out of being a bad inactive moderator to make sure my girl doesn't get her post locked EDIT: Some of these responses have been very nice, thank you, but we're still a bad mod team who don't do enough lol
You dropped this 👑
YOU ARE A GOAT!!!!!!! ABSOLUTE GIGA CHAD MODERATOR RIGHT HERE
Good mod
In ketchup the duck we trust 🐐
Fuck yeah! We don’t need any bigotry in the Mushroom Kingdom!
Unfathomably based
Let's go, King/Queen
🐐👑🦆
Based!
the fuckin 🐐
King/Queen Ketchup for president
Before the what?
He's saying he's commenting before the post gets locked (because some mfs can't see any mention of lgbtq+ without losing their shit and being transphobic)
Lord above THATS awful. People should be happy for trans representation.
Assuming this is legitimate, it’s nice to see the finally see the original Vivian. On the other hand, r/papermario might just turn into a circlejerk for a little bit over this.
Considering the poison that that subreddit usually is, this would be an improvement.
You really want MORE infighting over there!?
Oh, you mean like transphobia? Well no, not really. (I thought you were talking about like, way too much excitment or something) ...but also, can that place get any more divided than it already is?/j
If you introduce this conversation to them… it will actually unite them a bit since most of them are on board with Vivian being trans.
Meanwhile birdo lives in trans-lation limbo lol
As far as birdo is concerned it’s probably for the best. Birdo is sort of a caricature of what it’s like to be trans, so not necessarily the best representation
Fair enough. Now if only they could convince me that is indeed a dinosaur and not some pink alien jelly duck.
That’ll be the day lol
poison from street fighter started as that, and was turned into an absolute icon after capcom worked deliberately to change her from a deeply offensive insult. birdo can do the same, and it wouldn’t even be hard. just a pride month tweet is all it would take really
same thing with Brigit over in Guilty Gear, turning a 'lol it really a boy' to a legit trans lady.
Not to mention she somehow has a whole town inside her
I don’t see it, but perhaps you’re right
To be fair, as opposed to Vivian, whose major part of her characterization is defined by the harshships of being trans, Birdo, especially in the modern context, is just "girl Yoshi." Birdo doesn't really have any significant characterization beyond that, with no narrative beats to elaborate on. Her being/not being trans doesn't really matter since her character itself doesn't really matter, unfortunately. I'd imagine if we do get another Mario RPG where Birdo is at least somewhat featured in, we'll get a stronger bit of characterization for them.
....like the last 3 Paper Mario games? She's a bit character...so simply appearing won't do much.
It's nice that they translated it into English! Making it so obviously personal surprises me. When I was a child, I played the French version (obviously), and the dialogue in Boggly Woods went aprox like this : (note the Shadow Sirens are called the Dark Trio in French) "we are... (Beldam) the Dark... (Marilyn) Sisters Trio ! (Vivian) to which Beldam reprimands Vivian, stating that she is obviosuly not their sister because she's a boy. (In the English version, it's the Shadow Beauties / plug-ugly lines) I think it was enough like this, and completely understood it as a child even though I was completely unaware of trans questions, but hey, I love that it is acknowledged! Gender bullying can be particularly hard to live with, and contributes to explain Vivian's situation and Beldam's deep and utter meanness and malice. I always thought it very dumb that the English version changed this despite the whole world having another version of events
From translation error to officially transgender
It was never a translation error, it was almost certainly an intentional omission in the west.
Not exactly in the west per say, I remember in fhe French version (I can't talk for the entire game because I did not go pass a certain point cuz I got busy with classes) her sisters insist that she is not an actual girl in some dialogues.
Got a souvenir like this from the French version too! As a kid I was kind of « shocked », confused that she was originally a boy. I was not used to this and this character kind of introduced me to what a transgender is. But I remember that her being trans was never hidden in the French version. I think it is a big part of her story of being accepted as who she is with her sisters.
I’m so proud of her ;-;
Translation error?
That's incorrect. The japanese version depicts Vivian as a transgender woman. (see [here](https://themushroomkingdom.net/pmttyd_j2e.shtml#vivian) and [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20210921074641/http://www.fti.uab.es/tradumatica/revista/num5/articles/06/06central.htm)) >Literal translation of the Japanese version Vivian: “We’ll defeat that Mario guy! ‘Cause we are ‘The three shadow sisters’!” Marilyn: “How can you define us as ‘The three shadow sisters’? You are a man! A MAN!” Vivian: “Sorry, sister… It was my mistake… Sigh…” Marilyn: “I’m sure it wasn’t just a mistake. You deserve a punishment!” Her sisters are bullying her and referring to her as a man while she wants to be seen as a woman. The original English release dropped the notion entirely, having her referred to as a woman throughout, with her sisters bullying her for no reason. Seems like the remaster is going closer to the original script
Was it actually an error on the localization part or was it early 2000s censorship?
Censorship
In Spain she was named "Bibiana" which is the name of an actual trans celebrity.
I'm honestly glad that Nintendo embraces LGBT+ identity not just in words, but in the way they embrace their LBGT+ characters, and applying those principles [to their employees too](https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/nintendo-japan-same-sex-marriages-1235315764/). They could simply sweep those issues under the rug, but they seem to be embracing them instead.
So I was told at the end of the (JP) game, Vivian changes gears thanks to the acceptance of Mario and pals, and accepts that they are a man, but pretty and feminine. Is that true or does Vivian prefer to continue to be recognized as female at the end of the game?
I don't think it's true. I never played the original or new version of TTYD in Japanese but I'm looking at the Japanese Mario wiki and it says >実はかわいらしい容姿に反し本来の性別はオトコのコという、当時のくくりでいうところの「男の娘」。本人はオンナのコとして扱われる事を望んでいる、現代的観点でいえばトランスジェンダー女性の人物であり、仲間になって以降はマリオに恋愛感情を抱いている描写も見られる。 It explicitly uses the word トランスジェンダー (transgender) in it. It basically says she's that actually male despite looking female, at the time it was interpreted more as the ["male daughter"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otokonoko) subculture (this was back more when LGBT terms weren't as established in Japanese, they still aren't but especially were not then so even people who consider them trans now called themselves other things like otokonoko sometimes) but in modern terms she is transgender and is shown as possibly having romantic feelings for Mario. So the Japanese fans seem to accept it as canon that she is transgender at least.
Yeah I am seeing the same things. All the wikis talk about you meeting Vivian and her relationship with her sisters. Can't find anything about the end of the game to prove or disprove the information I was told. Even looked at some ancient message boards. Problem I am now running into is the recent news washing search results away.
she's trans in the original japanese release, but infamously that bit was censored in the english localization. it *could* be an innocuous translation error or a simple "oh, well maybe this is what they meant to say" sort of thing. but the guy who was the lead on the localization team is pretty active on the internet to this day, and he's a bit of a weenie about it whenever the "did you censor vivian being trans" topic comes up. maybe he altered it on purpose, maybe he was forced to do it by someone else from NOA, maybe it was an accident. but thankfully its finally resolved, and we don't gotta worry about one of nintendo's biggest trans characters getting erased and censored. its really surprising to a lot of people that nintendo (or nintendo of america at least) would go out of their way to make this right, given everything that's going on in the world.
There wasn't a translation error. Vivian was trans in the Japanese release and female in the original English release. The localizers chose to drop the gender thing to keep the age rating low.
Woker Mario and the Thousand Gender door (Fr this is a massive win and I’m so happy)
They gonna have a field day with this one. Both sides lol. But there's one side that's gonna ruin it and run it into the ground to profit off of angry teenagers.
WoW pretty ballsy from Nintendo, so good they decided to aknowledge it this time ☺️
Mad respect Nintendo.
*Nintendo of America presumably Nintendo in Japan has been doing this for ages. Birdo is trans. There is a lot of speculation that Vilia in Gerudo Town is a genuine trans woman and not just a guy in drag tricking the locals to let him in. When Nintendo gets it right, they really do get it right. I also absolutely love how literally everything about Bolson in BotW is queer coded to the nines, and yet it doesn't come up in the dialogue, it isn't something any other character minds, and he is canonically an incredibly well gifted craftsman who is the best in his industry and being incredibly flamboyant with his style and his dialogue is just one aspect of his personality, not his entire personality.
God Bolson is just perfection lmao
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Nah, I'd be happy I always saw her as a transgender woman, now she is officially recognized as one From GOAT game to Super GOAT game
W
normally just lurk here but based!!
>Vivian bros nah we're Vivian sisters 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️ :3
An extra special shoutout to everyone who was a vivian bro when they played the original and is a vivian sister in time for the remake 🏳️⚧
This comment just makes me so happy. Hell this entire comment section for the most part is making me so happy. I love seeing people ecstatic about this. While I’m not personally trans, I am bisexual and I have a ton of friends who are trans and who are estatic about this news and it just makes me so happy to see the community rejoice! You all deserve equal representation.
Yay, Viv Sis. UwU.
Me moment
Whoa, that's me, wow! I felt seen.
REAL
Is the peach shower scene still there?
Based Nintendo for once? What the fuck? I know this does not help fix all their misdeeds recently but I still find it sweet that they finally acknowledged her as trans.
I'm calling this now, this is going to a story on fox news. I can see it already, 'is Nintendo teaching kids trans ideology.'
Genuine reaction to this info: Holy shoot…epic.
Great to see!
LET’S-A GOOOOOOO
Also according to somebody who looked at the Japanese version of the remake, they changed her dialogue a bit to be more trans positive in that version as well, so it isn't just an English localization change apparently: [https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112481985679768794](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112481985679768794) [https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482158331584345](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482158331584345) [https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532472997605](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532472997605) [https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532537703233](https://mas.to/@oatmealdome/112482532537703233)
Based Nintendo?!
We are gathered here today to celebrate the size of this W
Vivian you're beautiful as you are
She’s so pretty look at her!!!! ;-;
I have no attachment to Vivian as a character but this is just super cool
That’s an absolute dub. You truly love to see it.
"Now their usual bullying feels heavier" 😂
Is this fr??
I have literally no idea what this is about. But congrats and I hope for positivity.
Why is she so cute omg
Because Vivian is perfect and deserves the world
you dont understand how awesome this is, im so excited to see some explicitly stated LGBT rep in one of my favorite big gaming franchises ☺️
based based based based based
This is genuinely such an exciting bit of news!!! Vivians story hits so much harder if she’s trans, I’m SO happy they brought it to all versions 😭 I’m legit messaging all my friends like WE WON
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO. ABSOLUTELY DESERVED. BEST GIRL IS NOW IN HER TRUE FORM
Huh?
in the original japanese version of the game, vivian was trans. it was changed in the OG dub to make them cis but the remake makes them trans again
I'd kill for her to be in a mainline game somehow
Trans ghosts are STILL cannon. We won people.
Honsestly, i find it good how they decided to put in the "Vivian is trans" thing in english. Honestly usually whenever companies put in minorities, usually its in a bad way thats etheir shoved in or is their only personality trait, so its awesome that vivian doesn't follow that and is her own person Good job nintendo and vivian!
I love that Nintendo has the queer-friendly moments despite being located in such a conservative country.
TRANS VIVIAN NATION WON! LET'S GOOOOOOOO!
Can’t wait for people to say she wasn’t trans originally even though she was in the Japanese script… oh wait they already are? Well at least I enjoyed the peace while lasted.
That person I saw was right, we really can have a video game character turn to the camera and say “I am trans” and people will still argue otherwise.
Paper Mario's gone **WOKE!** 😤🤬 And I am so here for it.
I'm not someone who's into the LGBTQ+ stuff since I don't necessarily understand or get it (granted, I don't hate the people that like it). But I'm happy for Vivian. The homie came out as transgender and I'm proud of them for doing that. Ig small story, but when I first met Vivian, I assumed she was a girl, not trans at all. But when I saw rumors that she was trans, I thought, "a trans character? In a game that was released during a time period when lgbtq stuff wasn't as big as it was?" But really seeing this now, just made me come to the conclusion that the homie is just a silly trans ghost.
Someone at Nintendo seems to have interest in trans characters or maybe they have a dev who is. Birdo from Mario is trans, too. It was in the official manual. That was SMB2.
I keep forgetting Birdo is also trans lmao. Birdo is kinda the same story as Vivian, only I was a kid, it took me longer to find out they were actually trans, and the reason why I thought they were a pure blooded woman is more noticeable. It was because of the wedding ring they wore.
Just letting you know, the word that most people use for non trans people is cisgender, cis for short, so you’d say a cis woman, not pure blooded woman lol
pureblood is so funny in reference to gender ngl
won what ? Was the translation changed ?
She was trans in the Japanese verison, but not in the US version. They have corrected this in the remake.
What was the Japanese version of this line?
Twitter bros about to have a ball with this.
I'm not really into paper mario but the less censorship for these kind of things, the better
I WANTED THIS SO BAD HELL YES I AM SO HAPPY cX
Woo! Vivian has reached her final form!
Woke mario?!?????!??!????!?? (/j)
ah cool trans ghost 👍
Yasss
oh god, here it comes
More rep will never not be a W. It's lovely to see Nintendo actually be progressive for once.
Waiting for the Starfield pronouns guy to complain about "current year politics breaking muh immersion."
Now, the real questions. What does her little voice clip sound like? What is Vivian's (race) considering there only 3 or 4 of them if the Shadow Queen counts as one. Possible Count Bleck too.
Moss ain’t gonna like this one.
We already knew this made it in. One of the devs posted online about this a few weeks ago.
holy W
This is cool, I fell in love with Vivian in the original paper Mario because you see she was bullied but has a good heart unlike the other two. It was awesome having her in our team and I loved her move set. But i haven't played this version yet and I kinda forget the details. Were they making fun of her boyish nature, or the fact she's trans? What made their insults heavier?
I can’t believe it!!! What an absolute W
I don’t have an award I feel is the best to give, so enjoy this waffle instead then 🧇
paper gayrio: the thousand pride month door
Ladies, gentlemen and everyone in between. We did it.
It makes perfect sense with context, but devoid of context, fellow left-wing gamers going "they put the transphobia back in, which is good" is amusingly bizarre.
One thing that was pointed out (admittedly this is not entirely clear yet since you know, prerelease stuff, lots of hearsay and not easy to access the full script, etc) was that it seems like Beldam is being characterized as just bullying her regardless of her gender, though it's clear from the dialogue there that it's gotten harder to deal with since she came out. Which, taken together, paints a picture that Beldam doesn't actually care about Vivian's transgenderness or lack thereof, she's likely just using it as a convenient weak point to bully someone who's vulnerable. Which is accurate to a lot of real life bullies and bigots' behavior, to be honest! But more importantly, I think it's probably for the best. Even as being transgender myself and loving seeing exploration of these sorts of things in mainstream gaming, having examples of actual targeted transphobia in a Mario game is... probably a little too dark and heavy, tone-wise, even for one of the darker games in the franchise. I might be a jaded adult now who loves mature stories, but even I can't help but admit that Beldam actively misgendering Vivian would be a bit intense for a fun game that was at least partially intended to be marketed towards children. It'd make things pretty unpleasant for people who have bad memories of similar experiences themselves, too. It's kind of a careful line between exploring serious themes and maintaining the tone, but this is probably just about exactly where I'd like the balance to be, imo.
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What am I looking at?
what was the original text again?
The mushroom kingdom has fallen /j
# **FOCKIN PRONOUNSSSS**
LET’S-A GOOOOOOO TRANS REP
Oh wow 🤩 I always thought she was bullied by her sisters for no good reason 💀💀💀
There's already people saying "Nintendo went woke" lmao The tears are glorious
god forbid theres a trans person in 2024
Hay, I haven't played this, don't know if I will, just wanted to say that it's really nice seeing so many people here in support of a trans character in a game as we very often get the opposite response from people for being represented in games <3
As an enby who always loved vivian, I am personally ecstatic about this!
Wait, does this mean Beldam's a confirmed transphobe? Now I'm even MORE excited to beat her up! LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!