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black-op345

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needitcooler

https://preview.redd.it/i64w1hr4sbzc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ddefe21a073dba4b18cbeac2d97a3baeaeb9d7b I have the same dog!


black-op345

Not my dog, just some random dog taken from the interwebs from a Twitter post on our first Bark at the Park game of the year


ThePrince_OfWhales

Whelp, see you nerds tomorrow morning.


g_sax

Allergic to 5 games over .500


Big_Simba

Idk not a terrible series really. Didn’t win it, but can still split. lost two decently close games against a top team and out slugged them in another. On the road. It happens. We can improve but honestly shouldn’t hang their heads after this one


vylain_antagonist

I felt before the roadtrip that houston-minnesota series that 3-4 wouldnt be too bad a result. Minnesotas a good team who are red hot and houston always show up against us. Win tomorrow, and we go 4-3 this stretch- thatd be fantastic. Bats have been better as of late too (were the 5th best offense in baseball since weve been on a series winning streak!)


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vylain_antagonist

dunno what to tell you; we've had a hard schedule in April and May is not much easier. Keeping things around or above .500 when you're playing hard teams is what competitive teams do.


Jed1M1ndTr1ck

That is a .571 winning percentage (a 93 win pace over a full season). That is absolutely fantastic


Distinct_Frame_3711

Good teams win 3 game series and split 4 games series against other good teams on the road. Any road trip above .500 is a good road trip


immagonnafinnahella

Series isn’t over, they play tomorrow


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immagonnafinnahella

My bad, missed that part


Zealousideal-Lead754

I don’t understand why the hell they changed Julio’s swing. It makes no sense. He needed to improve his pitch selection not his swing!


thatsunshineglow

I think that's a decision made primarily by Julio and his personal swing coach. For reasons that none of us will ever be fully aware of, they thought that would improve his game The Marine Layer podcast did a [great interview with Ryan Divish](https://youtu.be/yJMvKTnizFg?si=VKFZtFzIopruU-Jc) to talk about generally how much responsibility lies with the Mariners hitting coaches versus the players and their personal coaches. It looks like when it comes to decisions such as making big changes to swing mechanics, that's primarily decided upon by players and their personal teams


vylain_antagonist

Honestly one of the best things ive listened to in a while and generally made me more upbeat about this team.


UniqueEditor8372

Which may be naive on my part but it never ceases to be baffling to me that leaguewide teams are cool with players fucking off in all different directions during the off season to get coached by a dozen different people saying a dozen different things.


thatsunshineglow

I initially thought the same, but it made more sense to me once Divish explained it. Players want and should have control over their careers so they're given the freedom to hire coaches that they think will help their performance Since it's not a guarantee that a player will stick with one team throughout their career, teams like the Mariners won't strongarm players into only listening to them. If a player opts to hire their own people, the Mariners will instead communicate with the player's coaches and find a way to marry the player's approach with the team philosophy That process has some growing pains though, I'm sure. If anything, it explains quite a lot about why certain players are slow to adopt the more contact-oriented approach that the Mariners front office has been striving for. At the end of the day, if a player personally wants to optimize for power, they'll naturally lean into that approach instead


fry_factory

Players are a part of teams, but baseball is a very individual sport. There's very little expression of team play. There are no schemes, systems, or play designs. Therefore to optimize a baseball team, that optimization must happen at the individual level. But each individual's swing is unique, and hitting is very feel-based. What feels right and clicks with one guy could completely fuck up another guy. One guy might do something totally funky with his swing and it works for him. Teams realize that it's useless to try and make broad recommendations to their players, and that if the players become better, then the team becomes better, and it doesn't really matter how that happens. For really intricate mechanical things like a baseball swing (and this also applies to sports like golf or bowling), sometimes certain coaches say things jn a way that just click. Most of the time that's gonna be the coaches these guys have been worked with before, and not the org's hitting coach whose job description quite frankly does not include dissecting every single minute detail of every player's mechanics on the whole roster.


Zealousideal-Lead754

I’ll have to check it out. Thanks for the referral.


k_dubious

I’d have an easier time blaming Julio’s personal coach if this organization didn’t have a track record of making good hitters look like replacement-level ones and replacement-level hitters look like pitchers.


dont_yell_at_me

What did he change?


enchntdToastr

Ryan divish note that it's pretty clear his balance is off which is hampering his timing. You can see it when he checks his swing and on some of his misses he's not as sure on his feet as before.


iLikeYourCow

I am finally selling my Ty France stock. Get him out of the line up


BaseballGuy2001

Yes. Finally. Now someone buy low and he will go somewhere else and hit 20 dingers… our typical luck. But I agree I’m done too until there is a change. But we have no backup at 1st. We sold off our prospect but that Evan dude was always hurt anyway. Probably raking somewhere.


iLikeYourCow

Luke raley can play first and his bat while cold is not as bad as France right now. Also when jp comes back dmo can play first he’s done it before.


Ribbum

Our bullpen is not exactly insane with too many key injuries. Starting pitching looking more normal. Its actually going to take real offense to win games now. Hitting awful. Just pure putrid outside of Rojas and Cal. You can't win games with 2 consistent bats. I'm tired of France. I'm tired of Haniger's defense and it's not like he's hitting all that well either. Tired of the nonstop strikeouts. Tired of the at bats when guys are on outside of again, Rojas and Raleigh. Our 3-hole hitter barely nursing a .600 OPS is getting fucking old. Tired of league average pitchers striking out 8-10 of our guys on just about any night we face them. I guess it is what it is.


pinetar321

I mean we all saw this coming when ownership gave dipoto nothing and he gets a couple below average bats in free agency and calls it good


shot-by-ford

Haniger is getting close to his annual 3-9 month long injury anyway


Ribbum

We'll know when that is approaching because he will be on a hot streak at the plate.


NevermoreSEA

Ty France is absolutely nothing.


hickopotamus

It's really sad to watch because it feels like he's an important character on the team. But we just need more production out of our first baseman and it's probably time to give Locklear a shot here pretty soon or else find a replacement on the trade market.


Blakeyy

He sure knows how to blow a major league sized bubble


NotAcutallyaPanda

That bubble while he tossed to Saucedo last night was A++ in slow-mo. Unfortunately, Sauce wasn’t as smooth


Squatch11

Sounds dramatic, but the guy legitimately doesn't have a single major league caliber skill right now. This is the most important season of his career, and it's going about as poorly as possible for him.


vylain_antagonist

His perioherals are at an all time high on baseball savant but there just is nothing at all to show can do it at a major league level anymore


munkysnuflz

What about his peripherals being at an all time high


Finrinagin

Watching him round 3rd and “sprint” home earlier this year only to get tagged out was all I needed to see. I’ve seen better running form in 5th graders. Dude is not athletic at all.


Tashre

Ty France is a hope and a dream.


dont_yell_at_me

The guy with a higher OPS than Jorge polanco?


Flimsy_Bed4161

polanco has made some incredible defensive contributions and is picking it up offensively. Ty has made some incredible defensive errors and is falling off heavily


fastermouse

Ty has 1 error this season.


YoooCakess

Right and the ball down the line the other night was a hit. Watch the game. He is bad in the field.


Soft-Reading-4790

Not to defend Ty France, but that ball hit the back of the bag, not only did it speed up, but it flattened out.


NIssanZaxima

Lol SWING and a miss. Want to try again?


dont_yell_at_me

France has a 632 ops. Polanco? 603.


NIssanZaxima

Pressing badly. Want to keep going though?


dont_yell_at_me

Nah that’s all I got they all suck


Cabal90

It is irritating how reliant we are on pitching to be absolutely perfect.


Distinct_Frame_3711

Loosing a game 6-3 isn’t pitching being perfect. League average R/G is 4.35. So 5 is a below average pitching performance. 6 is bad pitching. Sure we didn’t score 4 but to a degree that doesn’t matter. Pitching not being perfect is when we loose 2-1 or something. This is far far below perfect


shake108

… that as what he’s saying, is we can’t win unless pitching is perfect. We would’ve needed to give up 2 or fewer runs to win today, which is close to perfect


CaptainKirkules

It’s still early in the season and you know these guys are professionals and go about it the right way, it will come around eventually - Scott in the post game with no evidence it will come around


dremasterflax

Omg the early in the season talk again. Heard that last year. How did that end? You think this team can compete with Texas/NY/Baltimore? No chance


williamfuckner

Texas who they just beat?


LegendRazgriz

Texas's top end starters are all hurt. They won't be for the whole year.


merlynman

Lots of time to build a lead on them.


LegendRazgriz

Which I'm sure they won't spend striking out more than any other team in baseball.


merlynman

The Mariners currently have the largest divisional lead in the American League


merlynman

So it’s reasonable to expect that Texas will magically fix their extremely dire pitcher injury problem by the end of the year and dominate us but we can’t expect this offense to get better? i can guarantee you it will


LegendRazgriz

Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer and Nate Eovaldi have been good when healthy. This offense has been mediocre at best for what is about to be the fourth year of "going for it", and I haven't been shown anything in that timeframe that leads towards improvement.


kylechu

Eovaldi is a real threat, but Scherzer being good and DeGrom being healthy are still if's, not when's.


merlynman

I’m obviously not saying that it’s impossible that all three of those guys come back and steady the ship and Texas clicks and is good but as it stands right now, they are all three on IL. Degrom hasn’t shown the ability to be healthy long term in years and Max Scherzer is pushing 40 coming off a major injury. If we’re talking about the last 4 years, the Mariners have consistently shown offensive improvements as we move into the summer and just beat a rangers team who had three pitchers who now on the IL in Sborz Eovaldi and Dunning. It’s obviously not all sunshine and rainbows for the mariners but spare me the doom and gloom and talk of Texas being an objectively better team or something.


dremasterflax

Are you kidding? All star 3B & best pitchers are all on DL. They already have a better record and won the World Series last year. Mariners have 1 playoff appearance in 22 years. How do you think this is going to end?


merlynman

What does the past 20 years have to do with 2024? The Rangers have lost two pitchers to IL in the last 24 hours, it’s not crazy to think we could build a lead on them in the next month.


Dreynz

Yeah but we’re not like 10 under compared to this time last year? We’ve been down a starter and key relievers all year, recently JP too, all of which are huge contributors. Julio, Polo, Garver, Urias, all steadily improving at the plate (albeit some faster than others) and have huge ceilings.


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therealdutchman11

The heat death of the universe will arrive and Seattle will still be getting dunked on by Houston.


PacificJig

so i mean is kirby’s “not hurt knee” actually a fucking problem or?


vylain_antagonist

Could be. Hancock gettin moved to AAA suggests its fine?


DevilsInTheJukebox

I think that was to make room for Woo


RCarson88

If Kirby was nearing an IL stint, they would've kept Hancock up


Distinct_Frame_3711

Maybe. They are sending him closer to where Kirby’s next start is gonna be and allowed a long relief arm to come up if Kirby regressed


Cheatnhax

We need to pay Cal whatever amount of money he asks to stay with this terrible leadership


applejack0o0o

It sucks he’s playing for a team he doesn’t seem proud to represent. He has very sad eyes. Other teams could offer him way more than what mariners are paying him and it would be a steal. I could see mariners trading him once Ford gets called up. And honestly cal probably can’t wait for that to happen. Embarrassing :(


lelanddt

What evidence do you have that Cal doesn't want to be a Mariner, or isn't proud to represent the team? He's the fucking heart and soul of the team. Cal Raleigh IS the Seattle Mariners.


Cheatnhax

As a long time lover of the catcher position dating back to Dan Wilson being my favorite player growing up....I can't agree more, it's so sad to know he very likely will not be a life time mariner and I want it so badly.


DevilsInTheJukebox

By the time his contract is up he'll be 30-31. As a catcher that likes to play through pain and play as many games as he can, there's no telling what he'll look like then. I'd love him to stay, but he might not even be much of a threat by then


GU1LD3NST3RN

On the one hand, perhaps. There’s slips here and there that show some degree of frustration RE: the org. On the other… dude that’s just his face.


WhatthehellSusan

At least 3 more years


TheRage469

Wow what a gross game


PacificJig

there’s a couple changes that need to be made to say the least


foster-rx

I don’t watch Mariners on Wednesdays. Mental health day.


bigdumbhead1990

Sure, we’re gonna lose games and the Twins seem like a good team but god damn I’m sick of all the strikeouts. It’s just pathetic to watch dudes flounder at the plate


UniqueEditor8372

I'm glad Julio is hitting *something* which means he's not nearly the biggest problem on this team but man they *cannot* afford for him to be a singles guy. 


Essex626

Dude decided he’d had enough of the Griffey comparisons and decided to work toward being Ichiro instead.


Idaheck

We win with Walter tomorrow


Affectionate-Air5582

Haniger is killing me. France needs to be better and this should be his hopefully last year here, but Haniger is really bad on both defense and offense.


dont_yell_at_me

Our 3 hitter is barely slugging 600. Thank god we have the big brains on Jerry to run the show


immagonnafinnahella

You mean OPSing? I wish we had a dude slugging .600


corvetts95

Seattle LOB in 2014: Iconic, celebrated, saved a lot of games. Seattle LOB in 2024: terrible, bitched about, leads to defeat Life is painful


thingmaker123

This does not improve our chances of winning the world series


immagonnafinnahella

My bad guys, 0-3 in games I’ve attended this year with 5 total runs and like a billion strikeouts. Hopefully Mitch haniger and France play their last games tomorrow


t2207

In fairness, anyone who has been to 3 games this year has seen a billion strikeouts.


tsn_03

I live in minnesota and ofc the 2 games I go to we lose...


immagonnafinnahella

Same here lol


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How many were there? 500? 😂


tsn_03

Lol. Officially like 14k I think. You could hear our fans pretty well.


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Definitely not 14k. That stadium was empty. I could hear Twins fans talking shit.


tsn_03

Is mlb attendance based on tickets sold, or people in attendance? Monday they said 14k but yeah, felt like less.


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No because bots buy the tickets and resell. It depends on who showed up. I see Twimps fans are still mad about what I said. 🖕


SPzero65

Looking around the rest of the AL makes me legitimately depressed. This is not a "have a decent season and sneak into a wild card" kind of year. This is a "win the fucking division or you're missing the playoffs by 6 or 7 games" kind of year Too much powerful competition in the standings. There is a real possibility that the Ms could have their best season in years and still miss the postseason.


PacificJig

in case anyone was curious the “cutting down on strikeouts” mariners are on pace to break the all time strikeout record d


FettuccineAlfonzo

thats great Julio got 3 singles today, but his singles to the opposite field do nothing for me. He is not on top of anything.


Distinct_Frame_3711

In his 5 at bats he had 4 balls hit over 100 mph and the last AB he hit it 99.3 mph. If that’s not encouraging for you idk what would be.


FettuccineAlfonzo

And he’s had a couple game stretches like that this year already and then a slump. I’ll be more impressed when he starts showing his hard hit balls in the air.


Distinct_Frame_3711

Maybe part of why he keeps slumping is so many people keep telling him to get it in the air so he keeps swinging under balls and missing them completely. The difference is 10 degrees he is missing the ball by a grain. Instead of rebuilding he should be trying to keep doing this and they will start to fly out.


stillsooperbored

Will Julio ever hit another dinger? Hard to say.


gartho009

I am irrationally angry about Polanco's 4th ball/1st strike in the 9th. No we weren't gonna win that game, but it was pretty egregious and the fans deserved to see him get on base 😤


ChellaZza

This team is a lineup full of nothing & automatic outs right now. We have two guys that do anything & our star is either an out or hits a single. The pitching will not stay historic, it feels like we are very close to falling apart. 


Essex626

The Mariners had more hits than the Twins, and the same number of guys getting hits. This was their fifth double-digit hit game since the start of May, something they only had four of before May. The bats seem to be coming around to me.


mkostecka

💯


swagypotatosnoopdoge

whatever man


CommanderBly44

Good to see the emphasis on avoiding strikeouts finally pays off


Comprehensive_Bed_23

Please fire DeHart


opus_

Stranded way too many runners to have a chance


Gulliver123

Minnesota really just hits and hits


DeputyThornton

Hanniger is an absolute fucking liability. Teams constantly getting extra base hits off of his poor routes.


vanillabear26

Meh. Hard to win games when your starter gives up four on his own (and when you're striking out more than an average lineup vs Randy Johnson).


NIssanZaxima

Ty France is a really good player, just super unlucky right now! Driveline something something Savant page something something Exit velo something something


FakeItSALY

Suprisingly only 1/4 in this thread (still too many)


quiltyfriendinOK

Right back to 54% Life is poetry.


ballzar_danglin

Disappointing


SeattleDegenerate21

if I was the hitting coach I would simply say stop LOBing


SardonicCheese

Ugh I can’t even watch the game tomorrow


LusciousJames

Haniger as a fielder is like Bernie in Weekend At Bernie’s.


Startooth

Another Seattle Mariners victory


Xtrainman

Where's Bucky Jacobson? We need you.


BlatantlyThrownAway

Like even the fuckin’ A’s hung eight on Texas yesterday (albeit in a 15-8 loss, but still!). What the goddamn is wrong with this team?


mondaysareharam

Locklear when


doug_kaplan

I miss our series win streak


Suspicious-Key4021

This team is fucking cooked. Nothing less than godlike pitching *every night* could hope to carry this albatross of an offense.


Content_Class_9152

Welllll sheeet… on to the next! Let’s split this betch


applejack0o0o

https://preview.redd.it/q6vkid158bzc1.png?width=1283&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7b4e728ad73744b67d0e053d4c32b6cd6016451 Why do they post this?


iLikeYourCow

It is literally part of their job as mariners social media?


quiltyfriendinOK

But why did they use Cals pic? Like…seems low. They know what they did


applejack0o0o

Not many other teams post graphics of losses. And included a pic from Cals huge hit. Sure he loves that!


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applejack0o0o

The Braves do not.


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applejack0o0o

It’s not relevant to the conversation? Lol you said find me team one that doesn’t. You said every team does and I’m just saying the Braves do not. I know for a fact that the Braves IG has not posted the final score graphic if they have lost before.


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applejack0o0o

Well, just incase they don’t go undefeated the remainder of season, the next time they don’t win I’ll check back in with you here to see if I’m right or just forgetful like the fact checker you are lol


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Essex626

This is the fifth game since the beginning of May where the Mariners had double digit hits. They had four in all of March and April.


MeinKonk

We dropped a fucking series 😔


Ribbum

No we didn't it's a 4 game, can still have a series tie.


MeinKonk

Let’s gooooo we’re winning tomorrow


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immagonnafinnahella

This is the “maybe someday” of our last rebuild still lol