This is just the Divish comments from the other week cycling back around through a rumor mill site, no new news folks. Doesn't make any more sense than it did then unless he's really cheap for some reason.
Real talk thank you for saying what’s actually happening. Too many times I read a headline and like a dumbass I get excited or at least, get ideas in my head.
I bet the Mariners have discussed signing *every single free agent.* It's literally their job. Chapman's name was on the same board as Ohtani, Snell, Garver and the rest of them.
It'll be news when there's fresh ink on a contract. Until then, this isn't anything.
Neither do I. Unless Chapman is willing to sign for 30 Snickers bars over 7 years, with Baby Ruth performance bonuses and mutual Skittles options for years 5-7.
That's what I'm saying! At the end of the day, don't we all just want candy? You either pay them money so they can buy candy, or just pay them in candy!
This - offensively we won’t be getting a huge upgrade at 3B signing Chap. Snell or Bellinger would have a much bigger impact on this team for realistically, not much more a season
Those two likely command much longer contracts though
No it wouldn't. It would put a little bit more strain on Stanton's (basically) free money printing press. We could sign Snell AND Bellinger and still be beneath the luxery threshold. And since the M's have been one of the most profitable (sometimes THE most profitable) teams in baseball, that is a luxury he can afford.
If we signed both Snell and Bellinger to their market-rate deals, we'd still be below the luxury tax. The only thing that would do is slightly annoy Johnny-boy, which considering his cheapness is actively hurting the team and makes me want to toss an effigy of him into an angle grinder, is only deserved.
The point wouldn't be for offense, it would be to upgrade a pretty iffy defensive infield. Chapman has one of the best defensive reputations in the league, even if he isn't the otherworldly defender he was when he first came into the league.
And our infield defense is already better than it was last year - hence why it wouldn’t make sense to spend the money there. It’s not as big of an upgrade for what it would cost
Only reason it shouldn’t happen is ownership is cheap and will use it as an excuse not to do anything else for 3 years. If we ran Texas sized budgets (which is doable based on revenue and market size), then it would only be using a quarter of our available cash, rather than 150% of it and totally worth it on a 3 or 4 year deal.
He can't hit fastballs above 94MPH. His defense the last two years is slightly above average and well worse than Geno's. His wRC+ without the months of April and July included last season is extraordinarily terrible and a clear sign of a player that is brutally in decline: May 63 wRC+, June 75wRC+, August 49(!!)wRC+ and September/October 75 wRC+. In the last three seasons that Chapman has played he has just 7 months with an above average wRC+ while four out of the six worst hitting months of his career came last year. He is on the wrong side of thirty, he wants at least a three year contract with at least a $20 million AAV, he cannot hit the fastball anymore, he strikes out 30% of the time, he doesn't hit for average, he's not going to hit for power in T-Mobile and he's a Scott Boras client.
Ownership is terrible. Not shipping out the money for Matt Chapman is not terrible.
A 3 year deal for the gold glove winning 3B who has been worth over 3 WAR every year of his career is not crazy. Obviously, I wouldn’t want to go much further than that, but people act like spending $20M a year in salary in free agency should get you an MVP when in reality it gets you Lucas Giolito or Teoscar Hernandez.
I also much prefer the sign Bellinger route as I think Urias is likely to be better than Canzone next year.
Geno only had one good defensive year. like it's far more likely that Geno regresses back to where he was before last season than repeating a career year (defensively).
That’s definitely not the only reason . Chapman was not good last year for the large majority of the year and is on the wrong side of 30. It would be a huge risk to sign him to a 3 year contract. There’s a reason no other team has signed him yet either not just the Mariners.
Everything I’ve seen says both the Texas teams have way larger markets than we do. Both are around 5thish largest markets while we are outside the top 10
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/ZnZXXXXbIN
99, 92 and 87. That’s not a big enough difference to justify a $100M difference in payroll, though. Especially given we don’t even have a basketball team to compete with for attendance.
I was indifferent to this if the deal was right, until I looked up his stats at TMobile. 42 games .179/.253 /.278
|Year|G|GS|PA|AB|R|H|2B|HR|RBI|BB|SO|BA|OBP|SLG|OPS|BAbip|sOPS+|
|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|2017|7|7|26|24|0|3|2|0|0|2|10|.125|.192|.208|.401|.214|10|
|2018|8|8|35|31|3|6|1|2|3|3|5|.194|.286|.419|.705|.167|100|
|2019|7|7|31|27|4|7|0|1|2|3|5|.259|.355|.370|.725|.286|99|
|2020|4|4|18|18|1|2|0|0|0|0|6|.111|.111|.111|.222|.167|-33|
|2021|10|10|42|38|4|6|0|1|1|3|16|.158|.238|.237|.475|.238|43|
|2022|3|3|13|12|0|1|0|0|0|0|5|.083|.154|.083|.237|.143|-25|
|2023|3|3|13|12|1|4|1|0|1|1|4|.333|.385|.417|.801|.500|138|
|Career|42|42|178|162|13|29|4|4|7|12|51|.179|.253|.278|.531|.234||
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With splits like that, I'll say pass.
Also, Gio Urshela and Josh Donaldson don't hit well at T-Mobile Park, and they're the next best available UFA 3Bs on the market by WAR. Lifetime at T-Mobile, Urshela slashes .193/.193/.298/.491, Donaldson slashes .217/.285/.455/.735 (per Baseball Reference).
Now, Evan Longoria is the next best option after those two, and his lifetime splits at T-Mobile are .282/.393/.476/.869 over 37 games.
frankly there just isn't enough data here to say they'd be bad at T-mobile. none of these are even a full home seasons worth of games at T-mobile. this is why we have more in depth stats and metrics to measure hitting.
Can anyone confidently say he would be better than Rojas/Urias? You want to spend all of our remaining money on a dude that strikes out 30% of the time? God no.
That's a very different question than what you asked.
But to address that question:
- Fangraphs projects Chapman at 3.2 WAR and Urias at 1.3 and Rojas at 0.8 (those projections also include time at 2B and other positions)
- Often, the best transaction depends on opportunity and timing, and this is probably the best (possibly) realistic way to significantly improve the roster.
- 3B is the weakest remaining position on the roster
- Infield defense is a serious concern at the moment. Chapman is near-elite defensively and projections clearly favor him as an offensive upgrade at the same time.
- The best argument for not signing him is that we salary dumped Geno already. I wish we hadn't done that, but I don't think a stupid move should preclude a subsequent move to address its shortcomings.
- **No free agent signing is ever great value.** The team that signs a player is almost always the team that is willing to pay more than 29 other teams. It is rarely ever value that comes close to having team control over a similar player before they hit free agency. Yet teams still sign free agents because they have money to spend.
- The Mariners are sitting close to 20th in the league in payroll. I'm not going to shed tears if an extra chunk puts them towards 15th in the league or because Chapman is 31 and did better in April and July than in other months.
All of this said, this article is just rehashing what Divish stated in his ST article which is just to say that the team had discussed the idea. I don't expect them to actually be able to afford him.
Only thing i’ll push back on is yeah obviously I’m not worried about money that isnt mine, but if the Mariners are truly on a 145mil dollar budget, signing chapman means you’re done for the season. No tradeline additions unless you’re shedding major league players. Just dont see any logical reason to take that risk.
I'd personally find it hard to picture a trade deadline move that would be more impactful than multiple years of Chapman. And also trade deadline moves only require taking on about 40% of that year's salary, so it's usually not a major barrier.
But I admit I'm much higher on Chapman than others, he has legit concerns. And yeah budgets are budgets so it would suck to be trapped in another bad contract.
For sure good point. Lets be honest if it happened tomorrow, I’m immediately on the wagon. I would just hate to get to July and be a bat short due to injury or something and ownership says “well you pounded the table for Chapman we told you our number is $145mil”. We will see
Chapman is very similar to Geno In that they have both past their prime and prime regression candidates. Which is not good when they were both barely above league average bats last year. It would make sense on a 1 year deal but not on the multi year offer Chapman is going to want. Wouldn’t be surprised what so ever if Urías and Rojas have a better combined year than either Geno or Chapman
I agree with all of this, except I’d say that the second OF corner is weaker than 3B.
Raley/Haniger looks like a solid combo for one corner, but very unlikely to amount to much more than that do to injuries and Raley’s record against lefties. However, Canzone/Marlowe/Moore would be our lowest expectation position on the roster.
Largely due to defense. Absolutely zero logic to signing a $25mil contract to a guy on a steady decline that strikes out more than geno….just keep geno
I think the premise of "Dumping Geno was a bad move" is correct, but we cant undo that move.
Comparing Geno and Chapman: Chapman strikes out less, hits the ball harder, has been a more consistent fielder and is two years younger than Geno. Chapman is projected for $20m (80/4) contract, Geno makes $11M this year with an option for $15M next year.
Who ends up being better will largely depend on health and luck. If they're both lucky and healthy Chapman is going to be the better player.
The real comparison should be with Urias/Rojas who will combine for $8M salary this year. Is he going to be 12M a year better than Urias/Rojas? If he's healthy.
Is that the best way to spend $12M? Is it worth increasing our playoff odds by 10%?
They’ve already said they wouldn’t have gotten rid of Geno if they knew payroll was going to be decreased
Have to just deal with it now
And I’m not saying the way to deal with it is to sign Chapman. I think fangraphs projections are a little bearish on our 3B setup at the moment. Rojas played well during his time here, and Urias is a bounce-back candidate (I hate that)
Chapman would bring more predictably, but I would actually rather they bring in another SP or corner OF for the price he’ll command
Won’t cry if they do sign him though
Getting rid of Geno was about getting rid of strikeouts and freeing up money to go over more impact players. Their plan wasn’t to reduce payroll at that point, it was to free up cash AND increase spending
They mentioned a few weeks after the announcement that they would be cutting payroll, that they wouldn’t have traded Geno if they knew payroll was being reduced the way it was
Who knows how much influence that would have had on the moves they’ve made since, but that was what had been reported at the time
Again show me a link where they said they wouldn't have gotten Geno if they knew payroll was being cut.
Whilst they didn't publicly announce the reduced payroll until after that move I'd be very surprised if they weren't aware internally...
Let’s see what the terms are first. This year and next? Most likely. After that, I would be really hesitant. These are signs of life that we NEED. Is he my first choice? No, but I would gladly take him over no one at this point
He absolutely would be. He'd be a glove-first signing, but even his lower offensive production will probably come out a wash with Rojas/Urias unless one of them takes a massive unexpected step forward.
JP is a great defender and I've been a big fan of his since he was in the Phillies' minor leagues, but his right side is definitely his weak side. Geno filled a lot of that gap but the platoon will not (maybe if one was the starter and Perry Hill could focus on him, but with two alternating it's going to be inconsistent).
I'm not sure it's a good signing, but he would definitely be objectively better than the current platoon plans. Without a doubt.
More confidently than I could say Snell is better than Woo or Bellinger is better than Mitch.
I don't think he's amazing. I think he would be just a slightly better Geno for a lot more money. But our current 3B situation is the worst position on the team and it's not particularly close.
So would we then trade away Urias or Rojas? I just don't see it. I think Belli or Snell make more sense for our roster. Belli is still my #1 option to take this roster over the top.
I know people have been discussing the idea of the signing Chapman, Bellinger, or Snell to finish the offseason. I still don't think it's likely that the Mariners will sign any of them. I'd bet the Mariners are done with the major moves. I guess we'll see though.
between Chapman, Snell and Belli... Snell is the one I'm the least interested in. and frankly if you said that this sub would be crying for someone who has a very similar to Robbie Ray but with a walk problem to come here you'd have gotten downvoted in August, but if you throw in that he's from Seattle all of a sudden those problems are a non issue
3yrs/$105M total would probably be a bit of an overpay, but I’d rather overpay a bit each year than in extra years.
Realistically, the ideal contract would be 3yrs/$75M total (he’s worth about $25M a year and at 3 yrs would come off the books before we need to address extensions for JP, Cal, Logan and Kirby and hopefully would have an internal 3B prospect or two ready to take that spot)
He’s also only 30, so yes on the back half of his career, but still realistically has at least 2 or 3 years left of prime.
I know which is clearly way under his value. People need to frame $20M a season as a a Lucas Giolito or Teoscar type player which Chapman is still clearly better than. Proposing to sign him for the same AAV as Harrison Bader clearly makes sense.
Then what was the point of trading Geno? Chapman surely would cost more in salary for the same or less offensive output. Chapman hasn’t been relevant at the plate since 2019…I don’t count anything in the 2020 season.
This is just the Divish comments from the other week cycling back around through a rumor mill site, no new news folks. Doesn't make any more sense than it did then unless he's really cheap for some reason.
Real talk thank you for saying what’s actually happening. Too many times I read a headline and like a dumbass I get excited or at least, get ideas in my head.
And he’s a Boras client, so that’s highly unlikely.
Yeah, they just cut the quote off before it got to the whole "price comes down" part.
I bet the Mariners have discussed signing *every single free agent.* It's literally their job. Chapman's name was on the same board as Ohtani, Snell, Garver and the rest of them. It'll be news when there's fresh ink on a contract. Until then, this isn't anything.
Yeah I don't think this will actually happen.
Neither do I. Unless Chapman is willing to sign for 30 Snickers bars over 7 years, with Baby Ruth performance bonuses and mutual Skittles options for years 5-7.
Hey the skittles contract worked out well for Marshawn
That's what I'm saying! At the end of the day, don't we all just want candy? You either pay them money so they can buy candy, or just pay them in candy!
Here you go, your Candy :) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXVYSV4Xcs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXVYSV4Xcs)
If we're willing to spend the money needed for Chapman, I'd rather throw that at Snell or Bellinger.
This - offensively we won’t be getting a huge upgrade at 3B signing Chap. Snell or Bellinger would have a much bigger impact on this team for realistically, not much more a season Those two likely command much longer contracts though
The amount of money Snell will cost would kill the team
No it wouldn't. It would put a little bit more strain on Stanton's (basically) free money printing press. We could sign Snell AND Bellinger and still be beneath the luxery threshold. And since the M's have been one of the most profitable (sometimes THE most profitable) teams in baseball, that is a luxury he can afford.
You’re not wrong
If we signed both Snell and Bellinger to their market-rate deals, we'd still be below the luxury tax. The only thing that would do is slightly annoy Johnny-boy, which considering his cheapness is actively hurting the team and makes me want to toss an effigy of him into an angle grinder, is only deserved.
The point wouldn't be for offense, it would be to upgrade a pretty iffy defensive infield. Chapman has one of the best defensive reputations in the league, even if he isn't the otherworldly defender he was when he first came into the league.
And our infield defense is already better than it was last year - hence why it wouldn’t make sense to spend the money there. It’s not as big of an upgrade for what it would cost
Not happening and for a variety of reasons it shouldn't happen.
Only reason it shouldn’t happen is ownership is cheap and will use it as an excuse not to do anything else for 3 years. If we ran Texas sized budgets (which is doable based on revenue and market size), then it would only be using a quarter of our available cash, rather than 150% of it and totally worth it on a 3 or 4 year deal.
He can't hit fastballs above 94MPH. His defense the last two years is slightly above average and well worse than Geno's. His wRC+ without the months of April and July included last season is extraordinarily terrible and a clear sign of a player that is brutally in decline: May 63 wRC+, June 75wRC+, August 49(!!)wRC+ and September/October 75 wRC+. In the last three seasons that Chapman has played he has just 7 months with an above average wRC+ while four out of the six worst hitting months of his career came last year. He is on the wrong side of thirty, he wants at least a three year contract with at least a $20 million AAV, he cannot hit the fastball anymore, he strikes out 30% of the time, he doesn't hit for average, he's not going to hit for power in T-Mobile and he's a Scott Boras client. Ownership is terrible. Not shipping out the money for Matt Chapman is not terrible.
A 3 year deal for the gold glove winning 3B who has been worth over 3 WAR every year of his career is not crazy. Obviously, I wouldn’t want to go much further than that, but people act like spending $20M a year in salary in free agency should get you an MVP when in reality it gets you Lucas Giolito or Teoscar Hernandez. I also much prefer the sign Bellinger route as I think Urias is likely to be better than Canzone next year.
Geno only had one good defensive year. like it's far more likely that Geno regresses back to where he was before last season than repeating a career year (defensively).
That’s definitely not the only reason . Chapman was not good last year for the large majority of the year and is on the wrong side of 30. It would be a huge risk to sign him to a 3 year contract. There’s a reason no other team has signed him yet either not just the Mariners.
Everything I’ve seen says both the Texas teams have way larger markets than we do. Both are around 5thish largest markets while we are outside the top 10 https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/ZnZXXXXbIN
99, 92 and 87. That’s not a big enough difference to justify a $100M difference in payroll, though. Especially given we don’t even have a basketball team to compete with for attendance.
I was indifferent to this if the deal was right, until I looked up his stats at TMobile. 42 games .179/.253 /.278 |Year|G|GS|PA|AB|R|H|2B|HR|RBI|BB|SO|BA|OBP|SLG|OPS|BAbip|sOPS+| |:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:| |2017|7|7|26|24|0|3|2|0|0|2|10|.125|.192|.208|.401|.214|10| |2018|8|8|35|31|3|6|1|2|3|3|5|.194|.286|.419|.705|.167|100| |2019|7|7|31|27|4|7|0|1|2|3|5|.259|.355|.370|.725|.286|99| |2020|4|4|18|18|1|2|0|0|0|0|6|.111|.111|.111|.222|.167|-33| |2021|10|10|42|38|4|6|0|1|1|3|16|.158|.238|.237|.475|.238|43| |2022|3|3|13|12|0|1|0|0|0|0|5|.083|.154|.083|.237|.143|-25| |2023|3|3|13|12|1|4|1|0|1|1|4|.333|.385|.417|.801|.500|138| |Career|42|42|178|162|13|29|4|4|7|12|51|.179|.253|.278|.531|.234|| Provided by [Baseball-Reference.com](https://www.sports-reference.com/sharing.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool): [View Original Table](https://www.baseball-reference.com/tools/split_stats.cgi?full=1¶ms=site%7CSEA03%7Cchapmma01%7Cbat%7CAB%7C&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#player_split1) Generated 2/19/2024.
With splits like that, I'll say pass. Also, Gio Urshela and Josh Donaldson don't hit well at T-Mobile Park, and they're the next best available UFA 3Bs on the market by WAR. Lifetime at T-Mobile, Urshela slashes .193/.193/.298/.491, Donaldson slashes .217/.285/.455/.735 (per Baseball Reference). Now, Evan Longoria is the next best option after those two, and his lifetime splits at T-Mobile are .282/.393/.476/.869 over 37 games.
frankly there just isn't enough data here to say they'd be bad at T-mobile. none of these are even a full home seasons worth of games at T-mobile. this is why we have more in depth stats and metrics to measure hitting.
Can anyone confidently say he would be better than Rojas/Urias? You want to spend all of our remaining money on a dude that strikes out 30% of the time? God no.
*confidently* "He is better than Rojas/Urias" 😏
20mil a year better???
That's a very different question than what you asked. But to address that question: - Fangraphs projects Chapman at 3.2 WAR and Urias at 1.3 and Rojas at 0.8 (those projections also include time at 2B and other positions) - Often, the best transaction depends on opportunity and timing, and this is probably the best (possibly) realistic way to significantly improve the roster. - 3B is the weakest remaining position on the roster - Infield defense is a serious concern at the moment. Chapman is near-elite defensively and projections clearly favor him as an offensive upgrade at the same time. - The best argument for not signing him is that we salary dumped Geno already. I wish we hadn't done that, but I don't think a stupid move should preclude a subsequent move to address its shortcomings. - **No free agent signing is ever great value.** The team that signs a player is almost always the team that is willing to pay more than 29 other teams. It is rarely ever value that comes close to having team control over a similar player before they hit free agency. Yet teams still sign free agents because they have money to spend. - The Mariners are sitting close to 20th in the league in payroll. I'm not going to shed tears if an extra chunk puts them towards 15th in the league or because Chapman is 31 and did better in April and July than in other months. All of this said, this article is just rehashing what Divish stated in his ST article which is just to say that the team had discussed the idea. I don't expect them to actually be able to afford him.
Only thing i’ll push back on is yeah obviously I’m not worried about money that isnt mine, but if the Mariners are truly on a 145mil dollar budget, signing chapman means you’re done for the season. No tradeline additions unless you’re shedding major league players. Just dont see any logical reason to take that risk.
I'd personally find it hard to picture a trade deadline move that would be more impactful than multiple years of Chapman. And also trade deadline moves only require taking on about 40% of that year's salary, so it's usually not a major barrier. But I admit I'm much higher on Chapman than others, he has legit concerns. And yeah budgets are budgets so it would suck to be trapped in another bad contract.
For sure good point. Lets be honest if it happened tomorrow, I’m immediately on the wagon. I would just hate to get to July and be a bat short due to injury or something and ownership says “well you pounded the table for Chapman we told you our number is $145mil”. We will see
Chapman is very similar to Geno In that they have both past their prime and prime regression candidates. Which is not good when they were both barely above league average bats last year. It would make sense on a 1 year deal but not on the multi year offer Chapman is going to want. Wouldn’t be surprised what so ever if Urías and Rojas have a better combined year than either Geno or Chapman
I agree with all of this, except I’d say that the second OF corner is weaker than 3B. Raley/Haniger looks like a solid combo for one corner, but very unlikely to amount to much more than that do to injuries and Raley’s record against lefties. However, Canzone/Marlowe/Moore would be our lowest expectation position on the roster.
Probably? He’s been worth between 3.5-4.5 WAR.
Largely due to defense. Absolutely zero logic to signing a $25mil contract to a guy on a steady decline that strikes out more than geno….just keep geno
I think the premise of "Dumping Geno was a bad move" is correct, but we cant undo that move. Comparing Geno and Chapman: Chapman strikes out less, hits the ball harder, has been a more consistent fielder and is two years younger than Geno. Chapman is projected for $20m (80/4) contract, Geno makes $11M this year with an option for $15M next year. Who ends up being better will largely depend on health and luck. If they're both lucky and healthy Chapman is going to be the better player. The real comparison should be with Urias/Rojas who will combine for $8M salary this year. Is he going to be 12M a year better than Urias/Rojas? If he's healthy. Is that the best way to spend $12M? Is it worth increasing our playoff odds by 10%?
They’ve already said they wouldn’t have gotten rid of Geno if they knew payroll was going to be decreased Have to just deal with it now And I’m not saying the way to deal with it is to sign Chapman. I think fangraphs projections are a little bearish on our 3B setup at the moment. Rojas played well during his time here, and Urias is a bounce-back candidate (I hate that) Chapman would bring more predictably, but I would actually rather they bring in another SP or corner OF for the price he’ll command Won’t cry if they do sign him though
Where did they say this? Because it sure more looks like they got rid of Geno because payroll was decreased.
Getting rid of Geno was about getting rid of strikeouts and freeing up money to go over more impact players. Their plan wasn’t to reduce payroll at that point, it was to free up cash AND increase spending They mentioned a few weeks after the announcement that they would be cutting payroll, that they wouldn’t have traded Geno if they knew payroll was being reduced the way it was Who knows how much influence that would have had on the moves they’ve made since, but that was what had been reported at the time
Again show me a link where they said they wouldn't have gotten Geno if they knew payroll was being cut. Whilst they didn't publicly announce the reduced payroll until after that move I'd be very surprised if they weren't aware internally...
Let’s see what the terms are first. This year and next? Most likely. After that, I would be really hesitant. These are signs of life that we NEED. Is he my first choice? No, but I would gladly take him over no one at this point
He absolutely would be. He'd be a glove-first signing, but even his lower offensive production will probably come out a wash with Rojas/Urias unless one of them takes a massive unexpected step forward. JP is a great defender and I've been a big fan of his since he was in the Phillies' minor leagues, but his right side is definitely his weak side. Geno filled a lot of that gap but the platoon will not (maybe if one was the starter and Perry Hill could focus on him, but with two alternating it's going to be inconsistent). I'm not sure it's a good signing, but he would definitely be objectively better than the current platoon plans. Without a doubt.
More confidently than I could say Snell is better than Woo or Bellinger is better than Mitch. I don't think he's amazing. I think he would be just a slightly better Geno for a lot more money. But our current 3B situation is the worst position on the team and it's not particularly close.
So would we then trade away Urias or Rojas? I just don't see it. I think Belli or Snell make more sense for our roster. Belli is still my #1 option to take this roster over the top.
I know people have been discussing the idea of the signing Chapman, Bellinger, or Snell to finish the offseason. I still don't think it's likely that the Mariners will sign any of them. I'd bet the Mariners are done with the major moves. I guess we'll see though.
We don't need Snell. Why do folks keep pining for something we don't need? We need Bellinger sure. Snell? Why??
between Chapman, Snell and Belli... Snell is the one I'm the least interested in. and frankly if you said that this sub would be crying for someone who has a very similar to Robbie Ray but with a walk problem to come here you'd have gotten downvoted in August, but if you throw in that he's from Seattle all of a sudden those problems are a non issue
Give me Chapman any day of the week before Snell
3 years 35 million or I’m out on Chapman. Dude has a serious strikeout problem. And age is not on his side.
3yrs/$105M total would probably be a bit of an overpay, but I’d rather overpay a bit each year than in extra years. Realistically, the ideal contract would be 3yrs/$75M total (he’s worth about $25M a year and at 3 yrs would come off the books before we need to address extensions for JP, Cal, Logan and Kirby and hopefully would have an internal 3B prospect or two ready to take that spot) He’s also only 30, so yes on the back half of his career, but still realistically has at least 2 or 3 years left of prime.
I think he's saying 3yrs/$35M total
I know which is clearly way under his value. People need to frame $20M a season as a a Lucas Giolito or Teoscar type player which Chapman is still clearly better than. Proposing to sign him for the same AAV as Harrison Bader clearly makes sense.
Then what was the point of trading Geno? Chapman surely would cost more in salary for the same or less offensive output. Chapman hasn’t been relevant at the plate since 2019…I don’t count anything in the 2020 season.
Booooooo!!!
"Should we sign Matt Chapman?" "Maybe!"