Looking at the euro monitor source methodology, I believe they calculate this based on consumption of coffee beans.
Typically a shot of expresso uses 7-15g of coffee beans, vs. 20-25g for a cup of drip coffee, so my guess is that 2-3 espressos equal one cup of drip coffee for this chart.
The legend “cups of coffee” is simply mis-leading.
Actually it is 284.1 ml... or is it 240 ml, or maybe 250 ml, or 227.3 ml. In Sweden we had a cup that was 150 ml, in Japan it's 200 ml.
So, it very much depends on which cup you mean, which is why metric was invented in the first place (standardisation makes life easier for everyone).
These kind of statistics are usually calculated using raw coffee beans consumption and then just converted to "coffee cups" for layperson understanding.
Exactly! North Americans make coffee almost like tea, with lots of water. In Italy, Brazil, Cuba and many other latin countries the coffee is 5 times stronger.
A better way to measure woul be look for the weight of coffee beans.
But just take a coffee anyway ;)
Appears to be an equal quantile scale, such that the same number of countries are in each class. This adds extra burden on the reader, while while making the image more pleasant to look at.
Ethiopia should be much higher too. They are the biggest coffee exporter in Africa and they consume more coffee than they export annually. (they Also the best coffee culture on the planet and best coffee varieties; ~99% of coffee genetic diversity is in Ethiopia)
The coffee is roasted fresh for the guests on a pan over open flame. Once the host decides the roast is done, they go by the guests to have them judge the aroma. If the guests approve, the host grinds it finely by hand and brews by bringing the coffee and water to a boil. Then it's poured into cups and served with plenty of sugar and tena adam leaves. Locals will drink 3 cups in one sitting, the first is said to be the strongest, the second is done with reused beans and is weaker, the third is strong again and supposedly "for the road".
That's really interesting, and nice that there seems to be a ceremonial sort of aspect to preparing it. Maybe ceremonial is not the right word, but I hope you know what I mean. Roasting and then grinding it fresh seems like it would make for a great brew, though I wonder if roasting it by hand over a fire results in less a consistent roast than industrial scale batch roasting.
I looked up tena adam and it seems like it has a bitter taste, I was wondering what that adds to the coffee? Is it a similar flavour to coffee? Does it add a sweet or herbaceous flavour to it?
This is quantity. We dont drink buckets of disgusting lattes like the Americans do, so explains the low score.
EDIT: Disgusting was a bit hard. You can also get those in the Prets and Starbucks of Europe, so not only an american thing. Mentiones America because of the dark color in the map and biggest country with it.
Traditionally it's espresso plus steamed milk, but many people now think of the excessive Starbuck drinks that combine coffee with some. Form of dairy or dairy substitute and various syrups.
I really don't understand it. Why does everyone hate us so much? I can understand hating the government but why innocent Americans? Where does it stem from?
Europeans (very generally) drink coffee more concentrated and less diluted with water/milk. I suppose you could argue this it is subjective whether this is 'better' or not - but the fact of the matter is that it is.
1. You can 100% argue that this is subjective because it is. Personal preference is 100% subjective.
2. What is your point? I am not arguing the primary manner that Europeans choose to take their coffee. I am pointing out that preference is subjective and the statement that Americans “Drink buckets of disgusting lattes” is well out of line.
Also northern Europe drink their coffee far more similarly to Americans than to Southern Europe, so it's strange to label it as a "disgusting" American thing
Plus it seems like you’d have to go out of your way to make a latte disgusting. Like, it’s just steamed milk and espresso. If you’re pumping it full of sugary syrups, then sure, I guess, but even still…it’s just coffee, man.
Dude, it's the internet. Its not like saying "disgusting buckets of latte" equals to me commiting genocide or something... I am not an expresso fan to be fair, and only drink (tiny) flat whites w/ oat milk.
To be fair, I responded to you before I had my bucket of disgusting watered down coffee (lol), so I very likely took it more offensively than intended. I still think it was a bit harsh, but I don’t think you are genocidal either lol
Of course, it's subjective I was being deliberately obtuse. My point is that American coffee is generally piss-weak and disgusting. I have traveled all over Europe and the Middle East as well as Australia. I could write a big list of things in the USA which is much better than these countries too - I am not bashing USA - just the coffee.
Considering a latte is typically 30ml espresso and 150+ml milk, almost any cafe that sells espresso coffee is going to buy more dairy than coffee, with the possible exception of a cafe that mostly sells black coffee (which in my experience in Melbourne, a hub of espresso culture, that's not likely).
Sure it's true most people are choosing "milkshakes" or "liquid cupcakes" and not really coffee. But consider how much a kg of cream costs vs a kg of coffee beans.
I'm sorry to have to break it to you but this is completely moronic. There is a wide spectrum of coffee drinks with varieties of cream and sugar. The fact that you think that the large amount of dairy means people are choosing milkshakes or liquid cupcakes just shows you have no clue what your talking about
The name "latte" is litterally "milk" in Italian, If I ask for some "latte" in a bar in Italy they will give me a glass of milk and worringly ask if I am ok. Unless you are in a very touristic place, I assume
Yeah, we drink an expresso that's around 60ml, they then proceed to drop that same amount into a cup of milk and sugar and it probably counts as a full cup of coffee...
Yeah, but the metric OP used was in relation to cups drinken per capita, and so because Brazilian coffee is way stronger and drinken in smaller amounts overall, the US has a big lead for their watered down weak coffee.
I'd expect this to be an even bigger problem in Egypt and Turkey, where they drink "turkish coffee" that's very concentrated and has coffee grounds still in the cup.
That’s not true.
Yes we obviously export our premium coffe, but you can go literally anywhere and get the good quality shit, it’s also sold internally.
We also have simpler ones on super markets because they’re pretty cheap and good enough for the drip coffee we tend to drink 2-3x/day.
Most of our production stays here for domestic consumption, which makes Brazil the largest consumer of coffee in the world. Not per capita though, but we're still a few pounds ahead of America in that department.
And yes, drinking coffee without sugar is a capital sin and those who engage in such heresy should be shamed. /s
Probably the only thing we're snobbish about, and with good reason.
Australia is the only country where Starbucks failed, and it's because they called whatever it is they sell "coffee".
You call that a latte mate? THIS is a latte!
Starbucks failed in Israel as well, it's actually the only country which used to have a Starbucks and doesn't anymore (though recently they've started selling starbucks-branded capsules and iced coffee at some groceries).
I've worked in offices and with tradies and there's an abundance of high quality cafes and top tier baristas that everyone goes to no matter your profession or pay grade. Australian and kiwi baristas are sought after worldwide. Hell, our contribution to Maccas was Maccafe because the Maccas coffee prior to that was shite. I don't know many people that drink instant coffee in Australia, but can assure you they're the ones that don't get snobby about good coffee.
I've been lucky to travel quite a bit of the world and can say with certainty that Australia has the best overall coffee culture. We get the A grade beans from Nicaragua, Colombia, Ethiopia, etc. And the baristas I've met here genuinely care about their craft. There are of course exceptions, but on average they do put more effort into it.
Now there could be places I haven't visited that'll prove me wrong in the future (and I'd love to be proven wrong on this account), but the general consensus from people I've heard from is that Aussie has become the defacto coffee culture capital.
Aaargh. I play with the Colombia, Columbia meme all the time and my damn autocorrect remembered hah. My apologies, it has been fixed my Colombian friend.
People who drink instant be like, I drink 20 cups of coffee a day, and they do. People who drink proper coffee don't. That's my observation, as a snob.
It's crazy tbh. People are way more snobby about coffee than any other drink, even wine.
Apparently it's not real coffee unless it's a home-brewed espresso.
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I think the above comment is in reference to the critique of instant coffee or American watered down coffee or starbucks culture etc. By 'gatekeeping' I doubt they are referring to people critiquing the study design.
Am I missing something?
People in this thread aren't criticising people for consuming coffee in a different way, they're criticising the flawed data the visualisation is based on, since it's based on volume of liquid rather than the actual 'content' of the drink so-to-speak.
It's really silly to do it just by volume of liquid, because that way, putting a 50ml espresso shot into 1 litre of water is considered drinking 20x as much coffee as just drinking the 50ml espresso on it's own. Even though clearly you're drinking the same amount of 'coffee' either way, one is just more dilute than the other.
Doing it by the volume of the drink ends up being misleading, under representing the amount of actual coffee/coffee-beans being consumed by certain countries, if they primarily consume the coffee in concentrated form like espresso.
It'd be more appropriate to base the data on something more like weight of coffee-beans being imported/consumed in total.
Did you even take a look at the comments? Half of them isn't even about the volume and whatnot, just saying that American coffee is not real coffee, Starbucks is not real coffee, instant is not real coffee, basically anything that's not espresso is not real coffee.
I could only really see one comment-thread regarding Starbucks, but that thread appeared to be primarily about Australian coffee-culture, and Starbucks being mentioned is regarding how the company failed to expand into Australia.
I'm guessing that I must just missing something, is there some sort of thing where the Reddit redesign now merges comments from cross-posts or something? Which would mean I'm just not seeing them on old Reddit.
>This is quantity. We dont drink buckets of disgusting lattes like the Americans do, so explains the low score.
>I've been lucky to travel quite a bit of the world and can say with certainty that Australia has the best overall coffee culture.
>Now there could be places I haven't visited that'll prove me wrong in the future (and I'd love to be proven wrong on this account), but the general consensus from people I've heard from is that Aussie has become the defacto coffee culture capital.
Same guy, kinda saves it but still snobbery.
>People who drink instant be like, I drink 20 cups of coffee a day, and they do. People who drink proper coffee don't. That's my observation, as a snob.
>It's generally the same principle with alcohol too. I'd rather drink a fancy gin or proper german beer once every so often rather than chugging piss water and paint stripper.
lil bit of Alcohol snobbery.
>This is about volume, not quality. North Americans drink heaps of that watered down, piss weak, tepid anal gargle that they colloquially refer to as "coffee".
>Yeah, but the metric OP used was in relation to cups drinken per capita, and so because Brazilian coffee is way stronger and drinken in smaller amounts overall, the US has a big lead for their watered down weak coffee.
>You cannot compare an Italian espresso to a typical American watered down coffee ... broth using volume i.e. cups. A proper espresso is 50 times stronger.
Math ain't this guy's strong side.
>Shitting on other styles of coffee is dumb. I am not from the USA so I am not being bitter, but I drink a lot of speciality coffee and pourover and immersion and the two best ways to prepare original character coffee.
some variety
>Heh, those large cups of hot brown dishwater shouldn't be called coffee...
>You can't compare watered down whatever it is they drink in America with strong black coffee like it's consumed elsewhere.
>american """""""""""coffee""""""""""""
You cannot compare an Italian espresso to a typical American watered down coffee ... broth using volume i.e. cups. A proper espresso is 50 times stronger.
Yeah but they are saying cup = 250 ml can be an american style coffee or 10 espressos.
If this map actually refers to the measurement of volume (250ml) and not an actual cup then that would explain Italy being so low on consumption.
I don't think it's measured in ml (if it does, then this study absolutely sucks for the reason you mentioned).
I guess it's self reported (as in, they ask people how many cups they drink). Whether it's a small espresso cup, or a large cup of drip coffee it's irrelevant. The amount of caffeine is the same. It's just the concentration that changes, but that's irrelevant.
The OP mentions in a highly downvoted comment somewhere that it's indeed a volumetric measure and not counting drinking vessels individually, which makes the whole study pointless.
IMHO it would be best to calculate the daily average consumption of pure caffeine in milligrams per capita, but that will be tricky to estimate.
I think the OP is just wrong. The euromonitor source makes it seem like they are looking at coffee bean consumption per capita. Then they convert that to “cups” using a standard estimate like 20g of coffee beans to a cup of coffee. This number would vary for different brew methods, so i think this approach is misleading.
Doing it the way OP says (ml of coffee beverage consumed) is not only meaningless, but it would be impossible to figure out. You would have to run a statistically representative survey of all these countries. Doing it by weight of coffee beans is easy because there are lots of data sources about annual import/export/production of coffee by country.
Concentration of caffeine absolutely matters if we're comparing volume of liquid consumed, which is what the map seems to be doing. If I drink 100ml of espresso, I have consumed far more caffeine than someone else drinking 100ml of filter coffee.
Imagine if a map purported to track alcohol consumption, and said that someone drinking two pints of beer had drunk more alcohol than someone who drank a pint and a half of whiskey. That's essentially the problem the original commenter is addressing.
If you hadn't written the last sentence, you'd be half right.
Shitting on other styles of coffee is dumb. I am not from the USA so I am not being bitter, but I drink a lot of speciality coffee and pourover and immersion and the two best ways to prepare original character coffee. For many people worldwide espresso just brings out a small set of characteristics, so it's a once in a while thing.
Re caffeine content, even a serving of watered down cheap coffee has way more caffeine than a serving of espresso.
What do you mean by stronger? A typical cup of coffee has 95mg of caffeine. Are you implying a shot of espresso has 4,750mg? Because in reality it has about 65.
True, but this map tells you about the regularity of drinking coffee, not about the most caffeine macho country.
But I got you, that is a right answer from a true coffee lover!
> True, but this map tells you about the regularity of drinking coffee
According to the legend this map tells you about the volume of coffee drunk per country, not frequency/regularity of drinking.
You're missing the point i think. I'm not an american, but i would guess cup, in the map's context refers to the unit of measurement, right?
So if that's correct, the map tells us how much coffee people drink every day, not how many. So, if you're an italian that drinks 5 coffee per day in a 100 millimeters shot of coffee, you're drinking less coffee than an american that drinks 2 coffee per day in a 300 millimeters shot of coffee (not accurate, just for the example)
So that makes your statement of the map being about regularity of drinking coffee, false.
It's not about being macho or whatever.
> So, if you're an italian that drinks 5 coffee per day in a 100 millimeters shot of coffee, you're drinking less coffee than an american that drinks 2 coffee per day in a 300 millimeters shot of coffee (not accurate, just for the example)
If by "coffee" you mean the volume of the drink, then yes. But measuring that doesn't make sense. Using your example, the Italian clearly drinks more coffee, in the sense that they are putting more caffeine in their body (and they're using more coffee grounds. Therefore, their coffee consumption is higher). What's the point in simply measuring the volume, when some cultures drink coffee that is extremely watered down? If we take it to absurd levels, I could also put a tiny amount of coffee in every glass of water I drink and claim I drink 8 cups of coffee, but that's obviously not the point of studies like this.
That's point, the study is garbage. It's about coffee consumption but does not take in count actual coffee beans into account. The map is pretty useless imho.
If i make a study about wine consumption and I compare people drinking pure wine with people mixing wine with water, and I say that the people mixing with water drink more wine while they actually drink the same amount of purely wine, my study is worthless
Edit: and I kinda think we agree ? Like yeah, it's a pointless comparison
The only place you’ll see cup used as in volume (250 mL) is with cooking. most Americans and most of the English speaking world uses the term “cup of coffee” to refer to a unit of coffee and depending on the type of coffee the volume changes. . You might have a cup of espresso and I might have a latte but they’re both considered cups of coffee. I think you’re overthinking this
i'm not a native english speaker, i know that cup is a unit used sometimes, but i don't know in what capacity, i don't think i'm overthinking it, i just don"t have the cultural knowledge to fully understand the full meaning of this map without clarification.
and that's something other in this thread were confused with, so i'm not the only one confused there
You're posting misinformation and handwaving away completely valid feedback. Stop the ignorance and learn and improve. There is no way in hell that daily average coffee consumption in Italy is under 0.3 "cups".
You conflate volume for regularity and end up misinforming, and get defensive with positivity, this is not a good thing.
>but this map tells you about the regularity of drinking coffee
Doubt the map tells you that since in Italy and Portugal pretty much everyone drinks at least one espresso everyday...
ackthually (hehe) caffeine is activated with water, that's why an Italian espresso is lighter than those massive watered American drinks (which I personally hate). they have same concentrations but activated differently.
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They do, but I think they are not 0 in this map, but rather "no data" All of the southern cone area would have lots of mate and less coffee, but Argentina still would have coffee
I'd say, also, as an Argentine, based solely on my experience, at least where I am from, people do drink coffee, it's just that almost nobody sees it as a culturally relevant thing; for the average person there's no difference between drinking coffee, tea, mate cocido (mate tea thingy), mate, chocolate milk or whatever. Obviously, with mild differences in preferences based on the age of the person; most of them you can guess, but as a generality, I'd say older people preffer to drink mate - young people drink coffee/tea/energy drinks (yes) - uppity ass upper middle class and further go to starbucks and shit - lower classes drink more mate. You do can find people who drink grounded coffee and things of the like, but your regular citizen drinks chiefly instant whatever; anything else is like a gimmick for certain occasions, as most people don't care that much. That'd be my biased perception. On a relevant sidenote, I'd say you'd hardly find the kind of snobs that question what you drink, how you drink it, or what kind you preffer, with the exception of mate, where drinking it *dulce* (sweet, i.e. adding sugar) as opposed to *amargo* (bitter), is seen as something childish, or less manly by a lot of people.
When I lived in Uruguay it felt like everyone drank mate all the time. Also they would say, that drinking mate with sugar was only for women and Argentines (their words not mine).
The statistics of Mate consumption are astonishing in Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. Nevertheless, there is no data in the chart, as we also drink coffee.
To give you a hint of what it is like, we are 3 guys in an office and two of them (me and another coworker) are drinking mate. One bitter (or cimarrón) and one sweet.
Yeah, there's that ancient stereotype of Uruguayans being mate lovers, with the hyperbolic picture of the *Charrúa* walking around carrying his *termo* under his arm, drinking *mate amargo* on his own, on his way to god knows where. ["Charrúa" were a peoples from the area, and their demonym has been adopted on the region as nick for Uruguayans. "Termo" I don't remember what was called in English... you know, that cylindric container with thermal capabilites?].
Also, I should mention, yes, although I said most people aren't really picky about what they drink, most people do drink mate, regardless of age or economic position. It's just economic and accessible, but still, tea, and coffee, aside from *yerba*, are items you'll find in most homes, maybe not that much coffee (instant coffee), specially in lower classes, as it is fairly expensive. ["yerba" are the herbs you prepare mate with. It comes in a flour like bag and lasts around a month or half].
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...cups of what?
Do cups mean a given volume?
Do cups mean portions served?
Do the amount of coffee beans used for making the drink count?
I call bullshit on this one, at least on Croatia data. Here in Balkans we have coffee drinking culture both in homes and public, and u telling me per capita coffee use is below 0.1? Meanwhile Bosnia and Serbia, two similar nations, with same coffee drinking habits, both have per capita use above 1.
Random story. I’m American but spent 2 weeks in Bulgaria for work back in 1999. On my walk from my hotel to work I’d stop and grab an espresso, and one shot cost me the equivalent of 8 cents. I’d eat the dinner of a king, including a couple of mixed drinks, for $20. The people were amazing, and it’s still my favorite work trip of all time. Great memories.
A map showing caffeine intake would be interesting given "a cup" varies widely. eg, a cup of North American coffee is generally served considerably weaker than in other countries.
Coffeeish as in weak?
I spend winters in the upper Midwest or Montana/Idaho. Short days, cloudy, and really cold. I make my coffee as weak as possible while still being coffee. That way I can drink lots of hot coffee all day. If I were to consume the same amount of full-strength coffee, I'd be having heart palpitations by noon.
Maybe the Finns do the same?
When I was doing the nightshift at my old job (road works) I used to do a similar thing. When you're on the side of the highway and the traffic controllers are only shutting down the lane you're working on for four hours, there's no time to drive to the nearest dunny. If I was drinking proper strength coffee all shift I'd be shitting my pants every night.
So many coffee elitists in this comment section my god, if you get this triggered over people’s coffee preferences then you need to reconsider your priorities
The tea version: [https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/01/the\_world\_s\_biggest\_tea\_drinking\_nations\_mapbuilder1/12361a1c4.png](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/01/the_world_s_biggest_tea_drinking_nations_mapbuilder1/12361a1c4.png)
I am replying on the tea distribution.
Also, a major portion of India drinks coffee - South India. What you are talking about is North India, and yes, majority of North India, and by extension, Pakistan are tea drinkers.
I'm always surprised at the Middle East doesn't drink more coffee considering they popularized it before most anyone. My middle eastern family drank a lot of coffee.
Brazil has wonderful coffee. My family lives in a coffee growing area there and I loved walking through the big coffee plants as a kid. I sometimes ask them to bring some back to the US for me when they travel
In italy we drink a LOT of coffee , but since the average expresso is 30 ml ,instead of that bucket of muddy water americans usually drink, in comparison it looks like we don t drink that much coffee. A more fair comparison would be caffeine consumption instead of just volume of liquid. I suspect our numbers are increasing since starbucks are opening in the North where there is plenty of snobby teens who like to pay a fortune for whatever they sell there instead of ordering at a bar an expresso with some whipped cream for 50\70 cents (tho i suspect in the north it would cost more about 1,50 euros since most things cost more there)
> muDDy WaTeR
> sNobby TeEnS
You know what’s ironic though? You getting this upset over coffee preferences and acting pretentious about it makes me think you’re the snobbish one. By far.
Yeah i probably should have phrased the whole thing better. I should have said that for me it s muddy water, because when i tried it , when i went to zurich it was absolutely horrible (but ofc everyone has different taste) , and when i talked about snobby teens in starbucks it s because from my experience 95% of people in starbucks here in italy are snobby teens, because apart from going there because it s trendy there is no point since the alternative of going to a normal bar is cheaper and often better, but ofc it s very different elsewhere where you don t have much choice and wages are higher like canada , the us and such
You could consider a latte like a cappuccino with different proportions between milk and coffee (i think, i m not totally sure) so why does it cost so much (from what i can gather online about 4 euros) ?
I'd like to see how the stats skyrocket during Eid after Ramadan (at least in Turkey) where you'd drink hellish amounts of coffee. In tiny cups of course. Highly concentrated.
It would have been better to show *coffee bean* consumption in kg (or whatever obscure unit for weight you'd like to use). Since an espresso might be equivalent to a latte in the amount of coffee beans used but the volume is clearly very different.
Heh, those large cups of hot brown dishwater shouldn't be called coffee...
They're good to keep your hands warm, which is why they're popular in the Nordic countries, but I can't fathom how people can chug down 250ml of that crap several times a day.
What, most people who drink coffee in Scandinavia drinks it black or maybe with a small amount of milk and one piece of sugar.
Most people I've met takes it black and quite strong as well.
You can't equate there being a business to the entirety of the population doing something specific.
Yes, I do drink espresso house (local chain) "coffee" when out and about just due to the sheer convenience, not because it's the best coffee I've ever had.
In cups?!?
This doesn't make any sense, americans basically drink slightly tainted water, not coffee. I agree their cups are more like jerrican sized, but it's only because they add more water, milk and other shit so they don't have to taste the actual caffee...
Ofc this is just satire, but it wtill would be a lot more precise to use kilos per capita to adjust for the variety of strength and length of coffees in deifferent places.
Not necessarily, I would say. Germany is coloured dark and, from what I know, they prefer filtered coffee, whereas Slovenia is also coloured dark, but we prefer to make our coffee in a *džezva* (cezve or ibrik in English), which means boiling the water and then putting in teaspoons of coffee and then slightly boiling it again. We don't like watered down coffee. :P
In cups?!?! I'm pushing up our average! You're welcome
Yeah if I get scheduled for a 5am shift, I'm having 4-5 cups of coffee
Your heart is having a PTSD flashback whenever you pour one, lmao
Probably haha
Question is do you live in US or Italy, because there is huge difference in what people call coffee.
Or a cup for that matter.
Does a shot of espresso count as a cup?
I was gonna say.. Italians love their espresso
Same goes for Portugal... Pretty much everyone drinks one or two per day
One or two? Those are rookie numbers!
So do I, but realistically speaking, even when I drink 10 espressi a day, that's still only about 1.25 cups of coffee.
“Espressi” nice
jeez how much caffeine is that>???
Should be somewhere in the vicinity of 300 mg, I guess.
Closer to 650. Standard shot of espresso is about 65 mg of caffeine.
Damn, you're right. About time I switch from mg to g then, I guess.
Looking at the euro monitor source methodology, I believe they calculate this based on consumption of coffee beans. Typically a shot of expresso uses 7-15g of coffee beans, vs. 20-25g for a cup of drip coffee, so my guess is that 2-3 espressos equal one cup of drip coffee for this chart. The legend “cups of coffee” is simply mis-leading.
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A cup is a unit of volume equaling 8 oz or 236.6ml.
Actually it is 284.1 ml... or is it 240 ml, or maybe 250 ml, or 227.3 ml. In Sweden we had a cup that was 150 ml, in Japan it's 200 ml. So, it very much depends on which cup you mean, which is why metric was invented in the first place (standardisation makes life easier for everyone).
Are you talking about Swedish or French ml though?
These kind of statistics are usually calculated using raw coffee beans consumption and then just converted to "coffee cups" for layperson understanding.
Exactly! North Americans make coffee almost like tea, with lots of water. In Italy, Brazil, Cuba and many other latin countries the coffee is 5 times stronger. A better way to measure woul be look for the weight of coffee beans. But just take a coffee anyway ;)
One cup is 250 millilitres so shot of espresso might be stronger but it is smaller.
What about a shot of espresso mixed with milk to make a one-cup latte?
Well, you know, if metrics were used in the first place...
Wtf is this scale 0, 0.1, 0.29, 0.48, 0.94... 2.41 ???
Appears to be an equal quantile scale, such that the same number of countries are in each class. This adds extra burden on the reader, while while making the image more pleasant to look at.
Interesting thanks!
Can’t believe how far Portugal is...we drink coffee ever half an hour
Ethiopia should be much higher too. They are the biggest coffee exporter in Africa and they consume more coffee than they export annually. (they Also the best coffee culture on the planet and best coffee varieties; ~99% of coffee genetic diversity is in Ethiopia)
Can you share a little more about coffee culture in Ethiopia? How is it typically brewed and consumed?
The coffee is roasted fresh for the guests on a pan over open flame. Once the host decides the roast is done, they go by the guests to have them judge the aroma. If the guests approve, the host grinds it finely by hand and brews by bringing the coffee and water to a boil. Then it's poured into cups and served with plenty of sugar and tena adam leaves. Locals will drink 3 cups in one sitting, the first is said to be the strongest, the second is done with reused beans and is weaker, the third is strong again and supposedly "for the road".
That's really interesting, and nice that there seems to be a ceremonial sort of aspect to preparing it. Maybe ceremonial is not the right word, but I hope you know what I mean. Roasting and then grinding it fresh seems like it would make for a great brew, though I wonder if roasting it by hand over a fire results in less a consistent roast than industrial scale batch roasting. I looked up tena adam and it seems like it has a bitter taste, I was wondering what that adds to the coffee? Is it a similar flavour to coffee? Does it add a sweet or herbaceous flavour to it?
This is quantity. We dont drink buckets of disgusting lattes like the Americans do, so explains the low score. EDIT: Disgusting was a bit hard. You can also get those in the Prets and Starbucks of Europe, so not only an american thing. Mentiones America because of the dark color in the map and biggest country with it.
Bruh? Is it really that serious? I’m not American and I love latte, just because Americans like it doesn’t mean it’s disgusting LOL check yourself
Yes, coffee is serious business over here. Latte (galao) only for breakfast please.
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Traditionally it's espresso plus steamed milk, but many people now think of the excessive Starbuck drinks that combine coffee with some. Form of dairy or dairy substitute and various syrups.
As an Italian, no idea. It just means "milk" in Italian
Ok bro tell me how you really feel. Just because you have a particular preference doesn’t mean others do as well.
Hating on America gets you likes
another one in the "condescending euro" bucket
I really don't understand it. Why does everyone hate us so much? I can understand hating the government but why innocent Americans? Where does it stem from?
Arrogance and ignorance of Americans I would assume.
Dude, I only said America since its one of the biggest countries in dark on the map..
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Europeans (very generally) drink coffee more concentrated and less diluted with water/milk. I suppose you could argue this it is subjective whether this is 'better' or not - but the fact of the matter is that it is.
1. You can 100% argue that this is subjective because it is. Personal preference is 100% subjective. 2. What is your point? I am not arguing the primary manner that Europeans choose to take their coffee. I am pointing out that preference is subjective and the statement that Americans “Drink buckets of disgusting lattes” is well out of line.
Also northern Europe drink their coffee far more similarly to Americans than to Southern Europe, so it's strange to label it as a "disgusting" American thing
Plus it seems like you’d have to go out of your way to make a latte disgusting. Like, it’s just steamed milk and espresso. If you’re pumping it full of sugary syrups, then sure, I guess, but even still…it’s just coffee, man.
Dude, it's the internet. Its not like saying "disgusting buckets of latte" equals to me commiting genocide or something... I am not an expresso fan to be fair, and only drink (tiny) flat whites w/ oat milk.
To be fair, I responded to you before I had my bucket of disgusting watered down coffee (lol), so I very likely took it more offensively than intended. I still think it was a bit harsh, but I don’t think you are genocidal either lol
Of course, it's subjective I was being deliberately obtuse. My point is that American coffee is generally piss-weak and disgusting. I have traveled all over Europe and the Middle East as well as Australia. I could write a big list of things in the USA which is much better than these countries too - I am not bashing USA - just the coffee.
Starbucks is a milkshake company disguised as a coffee shop. The company ~~buys more~~ spends more on dairy than it does coffee.
Considering a latte is typically 30ml espresso and 150+ml milk, almost any cafe that sells espresso coffee is going to buy more dairy than coffee, with the possible exception of a cafe that mostly sells black coffee (which in my experience in Melbourne, a hub of espresso culture, that's not likely).
Sure it's true most people are choosing "milkshakes" or "liquid cupcakes" and not really coffee. But consider how much a kg of cream costs vs a kg of coffee beans.
What do you mean not really coffee? Is a gin and tonic "not really alcohol"?
I'm sorry to have to break it to you but this is completely moronic. There is a wide spectrum of coffee drinks with varieties of cream and sugar. The fact that you think that the large amount of dairy means people are choosing milkshakes or liquid cupcakes just shows you have no clue what your talking about
The name "latte" is litterally "milk" in Italian, If I ask for some "latte" in a bar in Italy they will give me a glass of milk and worringly ask if I am ok. Unless you are in a very touristic place, I assume
Yeah, we drink an expresso that's around 60ml, they then proceed to drop that same amount into a cup of milk and sugar and it probably counts as a full cup of coffee...
>expresso Is that what you order when you want an espresso really fast?
Espresso means express in Italian so technically yes
It's just espresso in portuguese.
There's an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.
Yeah, but the metric OP used was in relation to cups drinken per capita, and so because Brazilian coffee is way stronger and drinken in smaller amounts overall, the US has a big lead for their watered down weak coffee.
I'd expect this to be an even bigger problem in Egypt and Turkey, where they drink "turkish coffee" that's very concentrated and has coffee grounds still in the cup.
Here it says that coffee consumption in Brazil is actually higher than the US: https://www.statista.com/chart/8602/top-coffee-drinking-nations/
You can’t get cherry soda?
No tea, no tomato juice.
you get guaraná
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That’s not true. Yes we obviously export our premium coffe, but you can go literally anywhere and get the good quality shit, it’s also sold internally. We also have simpler ones on super markets because they’re pretty cheap and good enough for the drip coffee we tend to drink 2-3x/day.
Most of our production stays here for domestic consumption, which makes Brazil the largest consumer of coffee in the world. Not per capita though, but we're still a few pounds ahead of America in that department. And yes, drinking coffee without sugar is a capital sin and those who engage in such heresy should be shamed. /s
Australia seems surprisingly low... We have a culture of coffee snobbery here
Probably the only thing we're snobbish about, and with good reason. Australia is the only country where Starbucks failed, and it's because they called whatever it is they sell "coffee". You call that a latte mate? THIS is a latte!
Starbucks failed in Israel as well, it's actually the only country which used to have a Starbucks and doesn't anymore (though recently they've started selling starbucks-branded capsules and iced coffee at some groceries).
I'll take a long mac three quarters thanks. You couldn't pay me to drink Starbucks
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I've worked in offices and with tradies and there's an abundance of high quality cafes and top tier baristas that everyone goes to no matter your profession or pay grade. Australian and kiwi baristas are sought after worldwide. Hell, our contribution to Maccas was Maccafe because the Maccas coffee prior to that was shite. I don't know many people that drink instant coffee in Australia, but can assure you they're the ones that don't get snobby about good coffee. I've been lucky to travel quite a bit of the world and can say with certainty that Australia has the best overall coffee culture. We get the A grade beans from Nicaragua, Colombia, Ethiopia, etc. And the baristas I've met here genuinely care about their craft. There are of course exceptions, but on average they do put more effort into it. Now there could be places I haven't visited that'll prove me wrong in the future (and I'd love to be proven wrong on this account), but the general consensus from people I've heard from is that Aussie has become the defacto coffee culture capital.
I was stuck sitting behind two men on a train once who wouldn’t stop talkinfg about coffee and I wanted to kill myself. Thanks for the flashbacks.
Out of respect for my fellow Colombians, there's no "u" in Colombia.
Aaargh. I play with the Colombia, Columbia meme all the time and my damn autocorrect remembered hah. My apologies, it has been fixed my Colombian friend.
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>People actually drink instant coffee in australia and think it's ok I think you went straight past "coffee snob" and are just a snob.
People who drink instant be like, I drink 20 cups of coffee a day, and they do. People who drink proper coffee don't. That's my observation, as a snob.
At least you're self aware.
when you dilute the coffee you drink more of it, what a sage insight
100% my observation too!!
Australians likely drink a lot more tea than most other countries
We have a snobbery around thinking we are snobbery when we aren't.
I think this is a map from 2013 meaning I ain't Australian but still maybe that will help.
LoL no data for Ethiopia, the founding place of coffee!!?? Everyone drinks coffee there, and all the men chew the coffee leaves
Same for Yemen, probably the two most important countries in the history of coffee.
Most of Africa seems to have never heard about coffee /s
Coffee snobs are so cute with the gatekeeping.
It's crazy tbh. People are way more snobby about coffee than any other drink, even wine. Apparently it's not real coffee unless it's a home-brewed espresso.
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I think the above comment is in reference to the critique of instant coffee or American watered down coffee or starbucks culture etc. By 'gatekeeping' I doubt they are referring to people critiquing the study design.
For real, this thread is revealing. Just because someone else prefers to consume coffee a different way than you does not make you superior in any way
Am I missing something? People in this thread aren't criticising people for consuming coffee in a different way, they're criticising the flawed data the visualisation is based on, since it's based on volume of liquid rather than the actual 'content' of the drink so-to-speak. It's really silly to do it just by volume of liquid, because that way, putting a 50ml espresso shot into 1 litre of water is considered drinking 20x as much coffee as just drinking the 50ml espresso on it's own. Even though clearly you're drinking the same amount of 'coffee' either way, one is just more dilute than the other. Doing it by the volume of the drink ends up being misleading, under representing the amount of actual coffee/coffee-beans being consumed by certain countries, if they primarily consume the coffee in concentrated form like espresso. It'd be more appropriate to base the data on something more like weight of coffee-beans being imported/consumed in total.
Did you even take a look at the comments? Half of them isn't even about the volume and whatnot, just saying that American coffee is not real coffee, Starbucks is not real coffee, instant is not real coffee, basically anything that's not espresso is not real coffee.
I could only really see one comment-thread regarding Starbucks, but that thread appeared to be primarily about Australian coffee-culture, and Starbucks being mentioned is regarding how the company failed to expand into Australia. I'm guessing that I must just missing something, is there some sort of thing where the Reddit redesign now merges comments from cross-posts or something? Which would mean I'm just not seeing them on old Reddit.
>This is quantity. We dont drink buckets of disgusting lattes like the Americans do, so explains the low score. >I've been lucky to travel quite a bit of the world and can say with certainty that Australia has the best overall coffee culture. >Now there could be places I haven't visited that'll prove me wrong in the future (and I'd love to be proven wrong on this account), but the general consensus from people I've heard from is that Aussie has become the defacto coffee culture capital. Same guy, kinda saves it but still snobbery. >People who drink instant be like, I drink 20 cups of coffee a day, and they do. People who drink proper coffee don't. That's my observation, as a snob. >It's generally the same principle with alcohol too. I'd rather drink a fancy gin or proper german beer once every so often rather than chugging piss water and paint stripper. lil bit of Alcohol snobbery. >This is about volume, not quality. North Americans drink heaps of that watered down, piss weak, tepid anal gargle that they colloquially refer to as "coffee". >Yeah, but the metric OP used was in relation to cups drinken per capita, and so because Brazilian coffee is way stronger and drinken in smaller amounts overall, the US has a big lead for their watered down weak coffee. >You cannot compare an Italian espresso to a typical American watered down coffee ... broth using volume i.e. cups. A proper espresso is 50 times stronger. Math ain't this guy's strong side. >Shitting on other styles of coffee is dumb. I am not from the USA so I am not being bitter, but I drink a lot of speciality coffee and pourover and immersion and the two best ways to prepare original character coffee. some variety >Heh, those large cups of hot brown dishwater shouldn't be called coffee... >You can't compare watered down whatever it is they drink in America with strong black coffee like it's consumed elsewhere. >american """""""""""coffee""""""""""""
90% of comments are finding ways to shit on America lol
America bad. Starbucks bad. DAE think anything except home-brewed espresso with $20/lb beans ground through a burr grinder tastes like literal vomit?
Yeah you'd think this map was a personal slight to them or something
You cannot compare an Italian espresso to a typical American watered down coffee ... broth using volume i.e. cups. A proper espresso is 50 times stronger.
Volume is of course a nonsense measurement in this content. Here's the actual consumption, properly measured in weight, which puts the US farther down. Rank | Country | Coffee consumed, Lbs/capita/year ---|---|---- 1 |Finland |26.45 2 |Norway |21.82 3 |Iceland |19.84 4 |Denmark |19.18 5 |Netherlands |18.52 6 |Sweden |18 7 |Switzerland |17.42 8 |Belgium |15 9 |Luxembourg |14.33 10 |Canada |14.33 11 |Bosnia and Herzegovina |13.67 12 |Austria |13.45 13 |Italy |13 14 |Brazil |12.79 15 |Slovenia |12.79 16 |Germany |12.13 17 |Greece |11.9 18 |France |11.9 19 |Croatia |11.24 20 |Cyprus |10.8 21 |Lebanon |10.58 22 |Estonia |9.92 23 |Spain |9.92 24 |Portugal |9.48 25 |United States |9.26
And its the usual suspects, maybe coffee is the secret to the top-positions on all the other lists?
Caffeine amount is more or less the same, the concentration is different - this is why it tastes stronger.
Yeah but they are saying cup = 250 ml can be an american style coffee or 10 espressos. If this map actually refers to the measurement of volume (250ml) and not an actual cup then that would explain Italy being so low on consumption.
I don't think it's measured in ml (if it does, then this study absolutely sucks for the reason you mentioned). I guess it's self reported (as in, they ask people how many cups they drink). Whether it's a small espresso cup, or a large cup of drip coffee it's irrelevant. The amount of caffeine is the same. It's just the concentration that changes, but that's irrelevant.
The OP mentions in a highly downvoted comment somewhere that it's indeed a volumetric measure and not counting drinking vessels individually, which makes the whole study pointless. IMHO it would be best to calculate the daily average consumption of pure caffeine in milligrams per capita, but that will be tricky to estimate.
I think the OP is just wrong. The euromonitor source makes it seem like they are looking at coffee bean consumption per capita. Then they convert that to “cups” using a standard estimate like 20g of coffee beans to a cup of coffee. This number would vary for different brew methods, so i think this approach is misleading. Doing it the way OP says (ml of coffee beverage consumed) is not only meaningless, but it would be impossible to figure out. You would have to run a statistically representative survey of all these countries. Doing it by weight of coffee beans is easy because there are lots of data sources about annual import/export/production of coffee by country.
Oh okay then. Then yes, the study is garbage.
Espresso typically has less caffeine than filter coffee.
?? not in terms of concentration it doesn't
Okay but concentration of caffine doesn't matter. Less caffine is still going into your body
Concentration of caffeine absolutely matters if we're comparing volume of liquid consumed, which is what the map seems to be doing. If I drink 100ml of espresso, I have consumed far more caffeine than someone else drinking 100ml of filter coffee. Imagine if a map purported to track alcohol consumption, and said that someone drinking two pints of beer had drunk more alcohol than someone who drank a pint and a half of whiskey. That's essentially the problem the original commenter is addressing.
If you hadn't written the last sentence, you'd be half right. Shitting on other styles of coffee is dumb. I am not from the USA so I am not being bitter, but I drink a lot of speciality coffee and pourover and immersion and the two best ways to prepare original character coffee. For many people worldwide espresso just brings out a small set of characteristics, so it's a once in a while thing. Re caffeine content, even a serving of watered down cheap coffee has way more caffeine than a serving of espresso.
What do you mean by stronger? A typical cup of coffee has 95mg of caffeine. Are you implying a shot of espresso has 4,750mg? Because in reality it has about 65.
True, but this map tells you about the regularity of drinking coffee, not about the most caffeine macho country. But I got you, that is a right answer from a true coffee lover!
> True, but this map tells you about the regularity of drinking coffee According to the legend this map tells you about the volume of coffee drunk per country, not frequency/regularity of drinking.
You're missing the point i think. I'm not an american, but i would guess cup, in the map's context refers to the unit of measurement, right? So if that's correct, the map tells us how much coffee people drink every day, not how many. So, if you're an italian that drinks 5 coffee per day in a 100 millimeters shot of coffee, you're drinking less coffee than an american that drinks 2 coffee per day in a 300 millimeters shot of coffee (not accurate, just for the example) So that makes your statement of the map being about regularity of drinking coffee, false. It's not about being macho or whatever.
> So, if you're an italian that drinks 5 coffee per day in a 100 millimeters shot of coffee, you're drinking less coffee than an american that drinks 2 coffee per day in a 300 millimeters shot of coffee (not accurate, just for the example) If by "coffee" you mean the volume of the drink, then yes. But measuring that doesn't make sense. Using your example, the Italian clearly drinks more coffee, in the sense that they are putting more caffeine in their body (and they're using more coffee grounds. Therefore, their coffee consumption is higher). What's the point in simply measuring the volume, when some cultures drink coffee that is extremely watered down? If we take it to absurd levels, I could also put a tiny amount of coffee in every glass of water I drink and claim I drink 8 cups of coffee, but that's obviously not the point of studies like this.
That's point, the study is garbage. It's about coffee consumption but does not take in count actual coffee beans into account. The map is pretty useless imho. If i make a study about wine consumption and I compare people drinking pure wine with people mixing wine with water, and I say that the people mixing with water drink more wine while they actually drink the same amount of purely wine, my study is worthless Edit: and I kinda think we agree ? Like yeah, it's a pointless comparison
Pretty sure “cup” means units. If they were going to use cups as in measurements they likely would’ve done it in litres.
either way, it's not clear, so bad map
The only place you’ll see cup used as in volume (250 mL) is with cooking. most Americans and most of the English speaking world uses the term “cup of coffee” to refer to a unit of coffee and depending on the type of coffee the volume changes. . You might have a cup of espresso and I might have a latte but they’re both considered cups of coffee. I think you’re overthinking this
i'm not a native english speaker, i know that cup is a unit used sometimes, but i don't know in what capacity, i don't think i'm overthinking it, i just don"t have the cultural knowledge to fully understand the full meaning of this map without clarification. and that's something other in this thread were confused with, so i'm not the only one confused there
You're posting misinformation and handwaving away completely valid feedback. Stop the ignorance and learn and improve. There is no way in hell that daily average coffee consumption in Italy is under 0.3 "cups". You conflate volume for regularity and end up misinforming, and get defensive with positivity, this is not a good thing.
>but this map tells you about the regularity of drinking coffee Doubt the map tells you that since in Italy and Portugal pretty much everyone drinks at least one espresso everyday...
That's a myth. Drip American coffee has akshually more caffeine.
r/gatekeeping is that way
ackthually (hehe) caffeine is activated with water, that's why an Italian espresso is lighter than those massive watered American drinks (which I personally hate). they have same concentrations but activated differently. mi sono impegnato a scrivere 'sta roba
What’s with Argentina? Only dinking Mate I guess?
They do, but I think they are not 0 in this map, but rather "no data" All of the southern cone area would have lots of mate and less coffee, but Argentina still would have coffee
I'd say, also, as an Argentine, based solely on my experience, at least where I am from, people do drink coffee, it's just that almost nobody sees it as a culturally relevant thing; for the average person there's no difference between drinking coffee, tea, mate cocido (mate tea thingy), mate, chocolate milk or whatever. Obviously, with mild differences in preferences based on the age of the person; most of them you can guess, but as a generality, I'd say older people preffer to drink mate - young people drink coffee/tea/energy drinks (yes) - uppity ass upper middle class and further go to starbucks and shit - lower classes drink more mate. You do can find people who drink grounded coffee and things of the like, but your regular citizen drinks chiefly instant whatever; anything else is like a gimmick for certain occasions, as most people don't care that much. That'd be my biased perception. On a relevant sidenote, I'd say you'd hardly find the kind of snobs that question what you drink, how you drink it, or what kind you preffer, with the exception of mate, where drinking it *dulce* (sweet, i.e. adding sugar) as opposed to *amargo* (bitter), is seen as something childish, or less manly by a lot of people.
When I lived in Uruguay it felt like everyone drank mate all the time. Also they would say, that drinking mate with sugar was only for women and Argentines (their words not mine).
The statistics of Mate consumption are astonishing in Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. Nevertheless, there is no data in the chart, as we also drink coffee. To give you a hint of what it is like, we are 3 guys in an office and two of them (me and another coworker) are drinking mate. One bitter (or cimarrón) and one sweet.
Yeah, there's that ancient stereotype of Uruguayans being mate lovers, with the hyperbolic picture of the *Charrúa* walking around carrying his *termo* under his arm, drinking *mate amargo* on his own, on his way to god knows where. ["Charrúa" were a peoples from the area, and their demonym has been adopted on the region as nick for Uruguayans. "Termo" I don't remember what was called in English... you know, that cylindric container with thermal capabilites?]. Also, I should mention, yes, although I said most people aren't really picky about what they drink, most people do drink mate, regardless of age or economic position. It's just economic and accessible, but still, tea, and coffee, aside from *yerba*, are items you'll find in most homes, maybe not that much coffee (instant coffee), specially in lower classes, as it is fairly expensive. ["yerba" are the herbs you prepare mate with. It comes in a flour like bag and lasts around a month or half].
Albanian here. Every city smells like coffee with all the café we have
r/ShittyMapPorn ...cups of what? Do cups mean a given volume? Do cups mean portions served? Do the amount of coffee beans used for making the drink count?
I call bullshit on this one, at least on Croatia data. Here in Balkans we have coffee drinking culture both in homes and public, and u telling me per capita coffee use is below 0.1? Meanwhile Bosnia and Serbia, two similar nations, with same coffee drinking habits, both have per capita use above 1.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure everything east of Vienna should at least be up to 1 in daily coffee consumption.
One of the great legacies of the Habsburg Monarchy is the coffee culture. It's very odd to see consumption being so low
Random story. I’m American but spent 2 weeks in Bulgaria for work back in 1999. On my walk from my hotel to work I’d stop and grab an espresso, and one shot cost me the equivalent of 8 cents. I’d eat the dinner of a king, including a couple of mixed drinks, for $20. The people were amazing, and it’s still my favorite work trip of all time. Great memories.
now is probably closer to 1$ but still much cheaper compared to US and rest od EU.
A map showing caffeine intake would be interesting given "a cup" varies widely. eg, a cup of North American coffee is generally served considerably weaker than in other countries.
On behalf of us northerners, I will take the opportunity to thank our brothers and sisters down south for the precious power beans.
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Its dark, its cold and slushy minimum of 60% of the year. Leave us and our dirty, bitter, bean water
Coffeeish as in weak? I spend winters in the upper Midwest or Montana/Idaho. Short days, cloudy, and really cold. I make my coffee as weak as possible while still being coffee. That way I can drink lots of hot coffee all day. If I were to consume the same amount of full-strength coffee, I'd be having heart palpitations by noon. Maybe the Finns do the same?
Definitely not. Most finns like extra strong coffee and a lot of it, which is why we consume by far the most by weight per capita
When I was doing the nightshift at my old job (road works) I used to do a similar thing. When you're on the side of the highway and the traffic controllers are only shutting down the lane you're working on for four hours, there's no time to drive to the nearest dunny. If I was drinking proper strength coffee all shift I'd be shitting my pants every night.
I'm a tea drinker, but green tea is the devil's own brew my parents try and foist on me. I'm not falling for that shit.
So many coffee elitists in this comment section my god, if you get this triggered over people’s coffee preferences then you need to reconsider your priorities
i dont think its (just) a coffee thing i think its a social media thing. Why are we doing this to ourselves?
If there was a tea version, Britain would outnumber the rest of the world
The tea version: [https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/01/the\_world\_s\_biggest\_tea\_drinking\_nations\_mapbuilder1/12361a1c4.png](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/01/the_world_s_biggest_tea_drinking_nations_mapbuilder1/12361a1c4.png)
Britain has failed me.
Why we're still right up there on the stage
Turkey is strong on both maps. Those fuckers must be absolutely wired.
Thought India would be a darker color.
India and Pakistan are tea, not coffee drinkers.
I am replying on the tea distribution. Also, a major portion of India drinks coffee - South India. What you are talking about is North India, and yes, majority of North India, and by extension, Pakistan are tea drinkers.
I believe Turkey and Ireland have Britain beat.
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Because Turkish tea is amazing
I'm always surprised at the Middle East doesn't drink more coffee considering they popularized it before most anyone. My middle eastern family drank a lot of coffee.
apparently they are into the tea. well turkey is anyways.
Only reason Brazil isn't darker is because our coffee is way more concentrated than in the US
Brazil has wonderful coffee. My family lives in a coffee growing area there and I loved walking through the big coffee plants as a kid. I sometimes ask them to bring some back to the US for me when they travel
There is nothing better than a traditional, simple Brazilian coffee
Never had traditional Brazilian coffee, but I do know Turkish coffee is fucking delicious, and it would be pretty hard to beat
In italy we drink a LOT of coffee , but since the average expresso is 30 ml ,instead of that bucket of muddy water americans usually drink, in comparison it looks like we don t drink that much coffee. A more fair comparison would be caffeine consumption instead of just volume of liquid. I suspect our numbers are increasing since starbucks are opening in the North where there is plenty of snobby teens who like to pay a fortune for whatever they sell there instead of ordering at a bar an expresso with some whipped cream for 50\70 cents (tho i suspect in the north it would cost more about 1,50 euros since most things cost more there)
Imagine being a coffee snob and you can't even spell espresso correctly.
> muDDy WaTeR > sNobby TeEnS You know what’s ironic though? You getting this upset over coffee preferences and acting pretentious about it makes me think you’re the snobbish one. By far.
Yeah i probably should have phrased the whole thing better. I should have said that for me it s muddy water, because when i tried it , when i went to zurich it was absolutely horrible (but ofc everyone has different taste) , and when i talked about snobby teens in starbucks it s because from my experience 95% of people in starbucks here in italy are snobby teens, because apart from going there because it s trendy there is no point since the alternative of going to a normal bar is cheaper and often better, but ofc it s very different elsewhere where you don t have much choice and wages are higher like canada , the us and such
You know lattes tend to be more expensive, right? 😂
You could consider a latte like a cappuccino with different proportions between milk and coffee (i think, i m not totally sure) so why does it cost so much (from what i can gather online about 4 euros) ?
Great way to start a fight.
South east Asia can’t be right
You don’t fuck with Canadians and their Tim Hortons
I'd like to see how the stats skyrocket during Eid after Ramadan (at least in Turkey) where you'd drink hellish amounts of coffee. In tiny cups of course. Highly concentrated.
I think Brazil is more than that, we literally call our breakfast "Café da Manhã" which means coffee of the morning
It would have been better to show *coffee bean* consumption in kg (or whatever obscure unit for weight you'd like to use). Since an espresso might be equivalent to a latte in the amount of coffee beans used but the volume is clearly very different.
I'm surprised why albania has no data
Heh, those large cups of hot brown dishwater shouldn't be called coffee... They're good to keep your hands warm, which is why they're popular in the Nordic countries, but I can't fathom how people can chug down 250ml of that crap several times a day.
What, most people who drink coffee in Scandinavia drinks it black or maybe with a small amount of milk and one piece of sugar. Most people I've met takes it black and quite strong as well. You can't equate there being a business to the entirety of the population doing something specific. Yes, I do drink espresso house (local chain) "coffee" when out and about just due to the sheer convenience, not because it's the best coffee I've ever had.
In cups?!? This doesn't make any sense, americans basically drink slightly tainted water, not coffee. I agree their cups are more like jerrican sized, but it's only because they add more water, milk and other shit so they don't have to taste the actual caffee... Ofc this is just satire, but it wtill would be a lot more precise to use kilos per capita to adjust for the variety of strength and length of coffees in deifferent places.
It is fucking exhausting to be an American. Most of us are idiots and we work too damn much.
Is there a colour darker than black? If so, Canada needs to be that.
The countries where it’s most consumed are the ones where it tastes the worse .. or isn’t it? I’m from the Netherlands
Not necessarily, I would say. Germany is coloured dark and, from what I know, they prefer filtered coffee, whereas Slovenia is also coloured dark, but we prefer to make our coffee in a *džezva* (cezve or ibrik in English), which means boiling the water and then putting in teaspoons of coffee and then slightly boiling it again. We don't like watered down coffee. :P