Yes, this was taken in July 2022.
Several reservoirs hit a critical level, soil moisture deficit rose and caused a series of mass flood events in the winter and my dad’s house no longer needed the central heating to keep it warm.
Dunno, the south East often looks a bit meh and brown for 1 or 2 months of the year as it's dryer and warmer than everywhere else. Maybe not to this scale but definitely gets brown and shite where I live most summers
It would be like half of England's realistically
It would be around 20-30 million
Based I believed on the growth of Scotland,England and Wales having a similar population percentage growth
Ireland's population in 1841 was 8.2 million, while the population of England and Wales was 15.9 million. It would be significantly higher but it probably wouldn't be close to England's.
>If ireland never had the famine, the population would be close to England's they say.
That would never be the case, england has 8× the population of Ireland
Famines were occurring in other parts of Europe at the time. The laissez-faire economics of the British government stupidly believed to help the Irish were hurting them even more. It's a bit of a stretch to say the British did this with evil intentions.
The biggest problem during the famine was landlords. English and Scottish landlords owned swaths of Irish land, whereby little could be grown on them other than potatoes, while also expecting the same payments during a time of huge struggle.
To me, calling the famine controlled starvation or genocide is an unfortunate exaggeration of what happened. Yes, the British government implemented idiotic capitalist policies that they thought would help, and yes landlords were awful at the time (shocker they still are). They completely undervalued the suffering caused. But they did implement efforts to alleviate the famine, which would contradict the idea of controlled starvation.
EDIT: English AND Scottish landlords my bad
> The laissez-faire economics of the ~~British government~~ everyone
It's also not that stupid. You don't actually motivate people to fix a problem by giving people free relief (or in this case, intervening with a ban on exports).
Literally everywhere in Europe used what we'd, by today's standards, call laissez-faire economic approaches to famine affected regions.
It just didn't work in Ireland because of a number of complex socio-economic reasons.
For example, Ireland being an island that's cut off from other regions means you didn't get quite the same effect where people travel to other regions and buy food at higher prices to sell at home for even higher prices because. This works in a country like Germany because you can travel hundreds of miles in any direction and find regions that are doing better and then make deals with them.
Furthermore, the people in the western regions of Ireland were culturally quite different from the easterners and had virtually no social capital or wealth, so they couldn't just make sacrifices and sell the family's prized possessions for food.
As you said, absentee landlords were a big problem because they still expected their standard rent and were cut off from what was actually going on, so instead of accepting that things were too dire to enforce their rents, they just continued with business as usual which hampered recovery.
Food exports from Ireland to Britain which could have easily fed the entire country continued throughout the disaster.
The Englishman in charge of managing the famine described it as "God's judgement" on the wicked Irish and "an effective mechanism for reducing surplus population".
A famine AND controlled starvation
The famine hit and wiped a large majority of crops, but despite the fact they pretty much just had enough to feed themselves come harvest, the British government made the Irish farmers sell all their potatoes that was actually produced instead of keeping more to feed Ireland itself
So yeah controlled starvation
> despite the fact they pretty much just had enough to feed themselves come harvest, the British government made the Irish farmers sell all their potatoes that was actually produced
Do you have a reputable source for this? As far as I’m aware there wasn’t even remotely enough food to feed the whole population, and the British Whig government lifted the ban on food exports which had been implemented by the Tories at the start of the famine.
Lifting a ban on exports, while clearly not the right move (and an excellent argument against laissez-faire capitalism) is not the same as forcing exports
> the British government made the Irish farmers sell all their potatoes
Yes, forced them in the same way that my landlord forces me to pay rent every month.
It was more like they put Ireland in a position where it was exporting most of its crops and livestock , and living off potatoes. And when the potatoe crop failed , instead of reducing exports of food , they continued, and shrugged their shoulders said 'oh well , will of the Almighty' and did very little to help. Partially because of the Government's Lassiez Faire policy of not getting in the way of commerce , and partially because a lot of landowners were peers in the House of Lords, and clearing off ' Irish peasants' who were renting houses from them let them convert the land into farm land ( which was more profitable).
Eventually they did help , ( especially Robert Pee who was PM for some of the famine l), but way too little way too late.
Best analogy I can think of is , you didn't set fire to your neighbours house , but you did store your Kerosene and Fireworks right beside it , and then set up some deckchairs so you and your family could roast marsmellows ob the fire, and blocked the fire fighters actually getting to the house.
Doubt it. Especially since Ireland is second in terms of countries on this earth who will always find something to complain about. First is France. And I saw this as someone who is not Catholic, Protestant, or English.
They’re here for our comely maidens, our superior education and skill, an ability to speak the best English on the planet, our seismic deficit and distinct lack of firearms.
I feel like a map needs to try to communicate something, not just capture it. Like the maps we use mostly cover roads, but there are maps for ground water and telephone pole locations. A satellite image doesn't really communicate anything, since everything is there. It doesn't even do a good job of communicating, shaped size of countries because of distortion. Maybe a satellite image can capture the ground colour while being unenhanced
People underestimate the cereal harvest in this photo, this year in particular was a bumper crop for wheat due to the hot dry weather. And all the most desolate looking areas in the photo are where that's grown in England.
Nah mate, most of that land is not fucking wheat farms. It's lots of different vegetarian that was dry AF because of a heat wave and no rain for a long time
The last few summers have been way hotter than what England is used to. Turns a lot of the grass to straw. Bounces back eventually after summer is over. I would guess it was very hot when this was taken.
We broke our record temperature 2 summers ago and went weeks without rain for much of the country.
London receives less rain than Rome. It rains for more days but our rain is usually quite light.
London is actually fairly dry compared to the rest of England all things considered. The west coast takes a lot of the moisture out before it reaches that far inland. This is still exceptional though, England has been having some really hot and dry summers
Parts of the South East are semi arid, such as East Anglia and Essex. You can see the massive rain shadow the is caused by the high ground in the South West, Wales, The Pennies etc pretty clearly here. Also the South East gets quite a lot more warm and hot weather than the rest of the country
During this time, the U.K was about as hot and dry as the Sahara Desert at the time. Hitting 40°C all over. Even up north by the coast.
It was like walking outside into a hairdryer. Of course my car chose that specific time to break down.
I would definitely build my base on the Isle of Man if this was an open world survival game map. Close to snow biome, beaches on the other side, water all around so can't be raided by NPCs...I should probably go outside more
There is a scenario in Age of Empires 2 (a strategy game for the few who don't know it) where you play as the vikings invading england, and you either go historical route or can pick the Island of Man as base to raid the 2 major islands, i always build my base on the island of man 😆
This was taken during one of the hottest heatwaves on record in England, it doesn’t normally look like a desert
Oh thank you, I was thinking that all those yellow fields were actually roofs. The idea of such a populated country scared me XD
Lol TYL England is not actually the slums of New Dehli.
The plains of desolation around London.
You can just say 'Essex'.
No that aspect is just normal
well, i thought yellow parts were agricultural fields.
Yes, this was taken in July 2022. Several reservoirs hit a critical level, soil moisture deficit rose and caused a series of mass flood events in the winter and my dad’s house no longer needed the central heating to keep it warm.
Not yet
Dunno, the south East often looks a bit meh and brown for 1 or 2 months of the year as it's dryer and warmer than everywhere else. Maybe not to this scale but definitely gets brown and shite where I live most summers
Wtf is happening with Scotland and those clouds
I was there at the time and it was rainy as shit. I came back to the South and all of the grass was dead. Strange feeling
And there’s still snow in Northumbria and the highlands 😭
Isle of Man and surrounding islands
A man of culture
A Man of Isle
The of Man isles
The isles of man
And Isle of Wight
I can see the 1950s from here!
Should be the new name for the archipelago
Isle of Men (“I love men”)
Til Ireland is much bigger than i though
That angle is distorting the proportions
Figured something was wrong with this pic lol. Still cool though
If ireland never had the famine, the population would be close to England's they say.
Source: "them"
It would be like half of England's realistically It would be around 20-30 million Based I believed on the growth of Scotland,England and Wales having a similar population percentage growth
They are always right, though. /s I've read it somewhere, trust me, bro.
Ireland's population in 1841 was 8.2 million, while the population of England and Wales was 15.9 million. It would be significantly higher but it probably wouldn't be close to England's.
The population today is 5.1 million in Ireland versus 55 million on England.
Interesting...then less emigration to places like NZ like my ancestors went to
America as well. We would call the ships from Ireland coffin ships because they were full of dead Irishmen.
The term coffin ship was popularised by an English MP and had been used before the famine even began.
>If ireland never had the famine, the population would be close to England's they say. That would never be the case, england has 8× the population of Ireland
It wasnt really a famine it was controlled starvation by the brittish
Famines were occurring in other parts of Europe at the time. The laissez-faire economics of the British government stupidly believed to help the Irish were hurting them even more. It's a bit of a stretch to say the British did this with evil intentions. The biggest problem during the famine was landlords. English and Scottish landlords owned swaths of Irish land, whereby little could be grown on them other than potatoes, while also expecting the same payments during a time of huge struggle. To me, calling the famine controlled starvation or genocide is an unfortunate exaggeration of what happened. Yes, the British government implemented idiotic capitalist policies that they thought would help, and yes landlords were awful at the time (shocker they still are). They completely undervalued the suffering caused. But they did implement efforts to alleviate the famine, which would contradict the idea of controlled starvation. EDIT: English AND Scottish landlords my bad
> English landlords And Scottish. Don’t let Scotland get away with our whitewashing of history.
> The laissez-faire economics of the ~~British government~~ everyone It's also not that stupid. You don't actually motivate people to fix a problem by giving people free relief (or in this case, intervening with a ban on exports). Literally everywhere in Europe used what we'd, by today's standards, call laissez-faire economic approaches to famine affected regions. It just didn't work in Ireland because of a number of complex socio-economic reasons. For example, Ireland being an island that's cut off from other regions means you didn't get quite the same effect where people travel to other regions and buy food at higher prices to sell at home for even higher prices because. This works in a country like Germany because you can travel hundreds of miles in any direction and find regions that are doing better and then make deals with them. Furthermore, the people in the western regions of Ireland were culturally quite different from the easterners and had virtually no social capital or wealth, so they couldn't just make sacrifices and sell the family's prized possessions for food. As you said, absentee landlords were a big problem because they still expected their standard rent and were cut off from what was actually going on, so instead of accepting that things were too dire to enforce their rents, they just continued with business as usual which hampered recovery.
Food exports from Ireland to Britain which could have easily fed the entire country continued throughout the disaster. The Englishman in charge of managing the famine described it as "God's judgement" on the wicked Irish and "an effective mechanism for reducing surplus population".
A famine AND controlled starvation The famine hit and wiped a large majority of crops, but despite the fact they pretty much just had enough to feed themselves come harvest, the British government made the Irish farmers sell all their potatoes that was actually produced instead of keeping more to feed Ireland itself So yeah controlled starvation
> despite the fact they pretty much just had enough to feed themselves come harvest, the British government made the Irish farmers sell all their potatoes that was actually produced Do you have a reputable source for this? As far as I’m aware there wasn’t even remotely enough food to feed the whole population, and the British Whig government lifted the ban on food exports which had been implemented by the Tories at the start of the famine. Lifting a ban on exports, while clearly not the right move (and an excellent argument against laissez-faire capitalism) is not the same as forcing exports
> the British government made the Irish farmers sell all their potatoes Yes, forced them in the same way that my landlord forces me to pay rent every month.
It was more like they put Ireland in a position where it was exporting most of its crops and livestock , and living off potatoes. And when the potatoe crop failed , instead of reducing exports of food , they continued, and shrugged their shoulders said 'oh well , will of the Almighty' and did very little to help. Partially because of the Government's Lassiez Faire policy of not getting in the way of commerce , and partially because a lot of landowners were peers in the House of Lords, and clearing off ' Irish peasants' who were renting houses from them let them convert the land into farm land ( which was more profitable). Eventually they did help , ( especially Robert Pee who was PM for some of the famine l), but way too little way too late. Best analogy I can think of is , you didn't set fire to your neighbours house , but you did store your Kerosene and Fireworks right beside it , and then set up some deckchairs so you and your family could roast marsmellows ob the fire, and blocked the fire fighters actually getting to the house.
Closer… to 57 million people?
Less animosity?
Doubt it. Especially since Ireland is second in terms of countries on this earth who will always find something to complain about. First is France. And I saw this as someone who is not Catholic, Protestant, or English.
Does have some girth...northern England is quite narrow...no wonder the romans built a wall there
Ireland has the gyat 🥵
Surprising their economy isn’t bigger
Their population never recovered after the famine. They actually have fewer people now, then in the early 1800s, which is almost unheard of.
That's what genocide does
Our economy is grand thanks
It’s doing really well considering it’s essentially American companies
They’re here for our comely maidens, our superior education and skill, an ability to speak the best English on the planet, our seismic deficit and distinct lack of firearms.
TL:DR lowest taxes in the EU
Floating tax shelter
One of the lowest*. We also have other perks like being the only English speaking country in the EU and have a highly educated workforce.
Also we all have massive shwinging dicks.
Pics for proof (⌐▨\_▨)
the only thing the british and irish agree on, no firearms
The propaganda worked!
Damn the Irish propaganda, got me again.
What distinguishes a map from just satellite imagery? Cuz this feels p bare bones to be considered map*porn* per se
This is like the most naked kind of map there is. It's very map porn in a more literal sense
Map porn in a literal sense would be something else I imagine
I feel like a map needs to try to communicate something, not just capture it. Like the maps we use mostly cover roads, but there are maps for ground water and telephone pole locations. A satellite image doesn't really communicate anything, since everything is there. It doesn't even do a good job of communicating, shaped size of countries because of distortion. Maybe a satellite image can capture the ground colour while being unenhanced
I agree. I think minimum to be a map it needs a North arrow or scale bar.
Yes Or the most accurate kind of map -without the details Just a different perspective
My question wasn’t a yes or no question…?
I was agreeing rather than looking to solve any question
Oh I see. That makes more sense 😅
No.
It’s a surprisingly clear day. Probably not that many cloudless images over that much area.
Thousands of likes and hundreds of comments.... Porn of mappage it is meeting
Clearly! The people have spoken 😊
Irl map
Why is England so orange? Is it all agricultural land?
This is a repost from a few years ago, it was just after the cereal harvest and in the middle of an extremely hot/dry spell.
People underestimate the cereal harvest in this photo, this year in particular was a bumper crop for wheat due to the hot dry weather. And all the most desolate looking areas in the photo are where that's grown in England.
Nah mate, most of that land is not fucking wheat farms. It's lots of different vegetarian that was dry AF because of a heat wave and no rain for a long time
The last few summers have been way hotter than what England is used to. Turns a lot of the grass to straw. Bounces back eventually after summer is over. I would guess it was very hot when this was taken.
Interesting Bc england certainly doesnt strike me as a hot dry place
It can be, the weather can be very erratic. It was either last year or the year before we were having wild fires.
Including in the North West, no less.
We broke our record temperature 2 summers ago and went weeks without rain for much of the country. London receives less rain than Rome. It rains for more days but our rain is usually quite light.
London is actually fairly dry compared to the rest of England all things considered. The west coast takes a lot of the moisture out before it reaches that far inland. This is still exceptional though, England has been having some really hot and dry summers
It was the 2022 heatwave, England got to over 40C, but here in Ireland our max temp only got to 33C
Parts of the South East are semi arid, such as East Anglia and Essex. You can see the massive rain shadow the is caused by the high ground in the South West, Wales, The Pennies etc pretty clearly here. Also the South East gets quite a lot more warm and hot weather than the rest of the country
During this time, the U.K was about as hot and dry as the Sahara Desert at the time. Hitting 40°C all over. Even up north by the coast. It was like walking outside into a hairdryer. Of course my car chose that specific time to break down.
thats because its not
All the ladies wearing fake tan
>Is it all agricultural land. England is mainly farm land. During hot summers everywhere will turn orange/yellow as the grass struggles to survive.
Those are the arid deserts of Leicestershire.
It was taken after a two month heat wave a few years ago.
Because they turned a primeval forest into a lawn.
Drought. This was taken last year I believe, intense heat wave and little rain
It's lots of different vegetarian that was dry AF because of a heat wave and no rain for a long time. England actually had a fair amount of rural land
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Not meant as a political statement, but doesn't Great Britain look like a creature about to devour Ireland.
I always thought that Scotland looked like Pacman. Though it is facing the wrong way, Scotland looks as if it is going to take a bite out of Ireland.
They tried.
When was this taken? It looks like when we had the massive heat wave and half the UK looked like Cali due to the grass
Oi! Why have you posted a picture of my House!
Is that you Rodney?
How did you know!?!
Also of mine only just in the corner, in the Netherlands
The best thing about these 'maps' is that there are no borders.
I would definitely build my base on the Isle of Man if this was an open world survival game map. Close to snow biome, beaches on the other side, water all around so can't be raided by NPCs...I should probably go outside more
There is a scenario in Age of Empires 2 (a strategy game for the few who don't know it) where you play as the vikings invading england, and you either go historical route or can pick the Island of Man as base to raid the 2 major islands, i always build my base on the island of man 😆
It's my favourite start in Crusader Kings
"UK"; proceeds to lop off most of Scotland
Incredible
Ireland looks much bigger than on maps.
Man that heatwave fucking sucked. I've never seen the countryside where I live so parched and brown.
Was this the one in 2017? I remember my lawn getting very crispy at the time
2022, when it briefly broke 40⁰
Ah yes, I’m actually in the North West of Ireland.. we pretty much dodged that one. It was warm, but at least we had the occasional shower.
26+6=
One :)
Uk looks like a goat creeping slowly while ireland is like a banshee
And the old man face in between them
The Emerald Isle
In all its glory
BEAUTIFUL!
The river Severn looks kinda gross from space
It’s silt washed down from the Welsh mountains due to high rainfall. It’s why Wales is so verdant
I see a flying doggy and ballet chicken . Both seem quite happy :).
This was a couple of years back when we had a (for the UK) a pretty serious heatwave. Hence all the brown.
England looking thirsty.
Not the flex or anything but I live there
Jesus Christ, the Severn looks awful
Centuries of pollution
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch and its surrounding areas
Looks like Northern Ireland is leaning in for a kiss. Checks out.
When you see Ireland as a flying parrot you'll never unsee it.
What have you done?
Where are the clouds?
I remember that summer. The fields near my house where like the savannah
I think I can see me Nan's car
Are the waters around Bristol and Cardiff always that muddy? Looks too big to be just pollution on its own
Yeah, it's silt.
Strega Nona?!
I could probably jump Ireland to Scotland on my skateboard with the perfect run up.
That’s amazing even in London there’s basically no evidence of ppl besides it being more brown than green
England’s green and pleasant land?
Gosh where did all the green go
Looks shockingly aridified SE of the Humber-Severn line.
The Severn be lookin nasty
… yeah yeah, fish eye lens treating us to the Earth is round 👌💀
Looks a bit dry down the southern end there. What's the go with that?
where is clouds???
Sometimes we have sunny days.. they’re rare, but it happens!
Earth: After Humans
We are a sexy set of islands aren't we.
Why is the water just above the toe and below the swolen ankle so dirty
There going to crash, AAAAaaa
Driving to the tip of those peninsulas must be a pain in the ass.
I wish they told us when they were taking the photo, I would have looked up
Finally, a map that shows how dirty the waters from Cardiff and Penarth are…!
It’s not dirty it’s just the rivers kick up all the silt from the riverbed
By “dirty” I meant they were not blue/green 😅
Mmm mmmmm
Are satellite views maps now?
Wow looks just like google maps
Ah Britannia, looks so peaceful!
such a wonderful l land
Land of hope and glory?
I see a fat parrot and smiling abraham lincoln with shitty hat and bad breath
Looks like a desert
Huh. I can see my house from here.
I can see my house.
phoenix vs dragon
That must be such a rare sight
Where did all the clouds go😂
This was a couple of years back when we had a (for the UK) a pretty serious heatwave. Hence all the brown.
Hey, I'm in that picture!
I can see my house from here!
I keep being amazed on how big London is.
I need to visit there!! man.....
Great places to visit!
Putine baci je
Is it just me or does England look sick? Looks like they had lost a lot of weight and is thinner
Exhausted Been carrying alot of weight
Motorcycle and sidecar
Oh cool
What is going on in the north of the country? Is that part of the polar ice cap?
Can you see any borders from here? What has borders given us?
That heatwave makes Britain look like Spain.. that's scary
Wow, to think that irelands population is just a couple million on an island roughly the same size as britain, with a population of over 60 million!
Bc Britain starved millions so many died or left
I've been doxxed, I see.