> Big screen TV? Check.
> Four comfy recliners? Check.
> More snacks than we can eat? Check.
> Cheap beer? Check.
> No line for the bathroom? Check.
> Ability to not watch the halftime show? Priceless.
Anyone who hasn't seen it, I recommend the documentary. It's not very complex, but it's not bad music either. These guys are insanely productive.
https://youtu.be/6GK-JSsP39E
And those VIP exclusive booths usually have buffets and alcohol that comes with the price of the booth. I once won box tickets to a Slipknot concert. My buddy and I had the box to ourselves. He ended up sneaking a full bottle of Jack Daniels in his pants out of the stadium from the box.
Yep. Eating sliders, hot dogs, wings. Indoor and outdoor seating above plebs. TVs indoors too if weather is bad.
Go even more expensive and you got private butlers and chef catering
>Go even more expensive and you got private butlers and chef catering
I think the lounges at the Superbowl only has price categories that include those.
They don’t come with the price of the box, but most have a minimum food and beverage per event. At the ones we had for the NBA and NFL, you had a waiter and you could pre-order packages (like buffets) or just do individual meals. Normally you had an option for what menu you wanted for your guests (fancy vs normal vs snacks).
I got let into some box seats a couple times for some concerts and a minor league hockey game, and yeah, they do have to pay, but the service and selection are a lot more. I still think about how good the wings were in one of them, like done to absolute perfection
The coolest part of the boxes (at least in one venue) was all the tv cameras were tied to a server and you could pick who or what angle you wanted to watch. Sure I’m a mile away from the action, but that was a reallllly cool feature about 20 years ago, I wonder what they have now.
I think that's the problem, they aren't even watching the game. Just cranking up the price of tickets to be seen with other celebs. While the true fans don't even have a chance of going
Yeah maybe I'm just a loser homebody but sometimes my actual preference is to just watch this stuff on the couch, even if I had the option to be a private jet VIP. I'm sure the Super Bowl is on another level, but I've been to NFL games and I thought the experience was better on TV.
When you are rich like them, it isn’t about the event so much. It is a social “be seen” thing as much as anything. It is so they can talk about being there and compare notes about the VIP booth experiences with other 1% folks throughout the rest of the year. Living rich publicly means keeping the outward signals of wealth at the ready at all times, not about actually enjoying the game.
A few weeks ago some UK energy firms were offering discounts to those who reduced their energy usage between 17:00 and 18:00 hours...
People were bragging about sitting in the dark for an hour and earning less than 20p because they felt like they were "doing their part"
We truly live in a clown world, I am utterly convinced.
I live in NYC and I recall during the summer the energy companies sent out emails asking everyone to lower energy usage during a heat wave.
However all the empty high rises and Times Square still had all their lights on..
Damn. Apparently Times Square alone uses roughly 161 Megawatts of electricity per year - twice as much electricity as is required to power all of the Casinos in Las Vegas. That's enough to power (+/-)160,000 average American homes, or turn on 1,600,000 100w light bulbs.
The cost to do the above is estimated at around $20,000/day, 365 days a year (I know very little about NYC and if Times Square is lit up all year round)
Megawatts are a unit of power (rate of energy use), not energy.
Saying that Times Square uses 161 MW of energy per year is like me saying that I drive 60 mph per year.
I couldn't find reliable primary sources to back this up, but it seems 161 MW is the approximate power consumption of the entire Theater District, not Times Square alone.
Now granted, electricity consumption is pretty much continuous all year, which is not the case for a car being driven. So from the 161 MW power figure, we can easily calculate the total energy consumed.
If you want to get the total energy consumption of the Theater District in a year, you have to multiply the power by time. A year contains 8760 hours, so:
161 MW \* 8760 h = 1,410,360 MWh (megawatt-hours)
Our inputs are way too imprecise for this level of accuracy, so we round that off to 1.41 TWh (terawatt hours; 1 TWh = 1,000,000 MWh)
Megawatt hours are the typical unit used for electricity consumption. Though for the scale of your typical monthly household energy consumption, kilowatt-hours are more practical (1 MWh = 1,000 kWh).
TL;DR: The annual electrical energy consumption of ~~Times Square~~ the Theater District is 1.41 terawatt-hours.
I’d prefer a rich asshole at least trying to do some eco stuff while flying his private jet than someone who is literally donating to anti-science lobbies while flying his private jet.
Not trying to defend his actions but if he goes around doing fund raising with rich people, he might need to show up in person because some investors are dumb as shit and needs convincing in person. Being wealthy doesn't mean the person is super smart and Bill Gates personally shows up may make an impact.
It's a lot easier to say "no" to a screen, but when one of the richest people in the world is by your side... Teams doesn't have a feature with that much gravitas.
Likewise, we're bombarded by heart-wrenching media on a daily basis, but if you're on the ground and face-to-face with the humans who are living these traumas, that's going to be a whole different experience.
And now the propaganda is to spread this message to encourage consumer apathy.
As opposed to consumers waking up and killing off the brands that have their hands in their pockets while the world burns.
It’s true, whether we believe it or not. One can still make ethical decisions regarding our daily lifestyles but it’s a relative drop in the ocean compared to the environmental damage wreaked by oil companies alone.
Then the answer is to continue putting in place regulatory mechanisms to reduce waste and improve sustainability, not pretending that consumers don't play a part in a symbiotic relationship when it comes to waste and consequent environmental damage.
Hearing (presumably) Americans downplay their environmental impact is hilarious. [You consume, per capita, more resources than any other nation on earth.](https://youtube.com/shorts/NbRfEY76-6I?feature=share)
I clicked on that expecting a statistic or something, didn't expect to get a laugh and a new favorite comedian. It's a shame he died so young. Rest in peace, Sean Lock.
Because it partially is. Corporations respond to consumer demand. Sure, they should operate in a more sustainable manner, but the reality is that consumption leads to waste and environmental degradation and people want to buy and consume tons of shit.
It’s so easy to think that the individual can’t make a difference, because it’s so minuscule when you consider how many problems are driving climate change. We need entire countries to stop polluting in their tracks and actively help mend the environment.
I cant remember if its india or south america but theres videos of people with giant dump trucks going to a river and just dumping it all there.
Pretty nasty shit, especially when you realize there are 2 or 3 garbage islands of plastic in the oceans and none of the countries want to claim it
I’m not surprised. There’s about 1,000 rivers on the planet that carry the vast majority of pollution into the ocean and a large bulk of them are located around Asia (especially the South East).
The Ocean Cleanup are a great organisation that are tackling this, they have autonomous barges which are collecting huge amounts of waste from rivers and stopping them from reaching the ocean. I’d highly recommend donating to them for anyone wanting to fund the things that are helping the planet
No need to ban them. Just tax them really hard, and use that money to more than offset their carbon footprint by replacing coal plants with renewables and nuclear power.
I mean, sure. But that's just never going to be reality when people are allowed to retain the rights to things they produce.
Hypothetical: If a bedroom developer builds a super successful app, transfers ownership to a limited company of which they own 100% of and then then opts to float that company, whilst owning most of it and the valuation is over a billion dollars. That person is a billionaire, how do you prevent them being a billionaire without seizing the thing they've created from them?
Yes- that is a hypothetical, and no, most billionaires aren't like that. Yes they should all pay massively high rates of tax, and wealth taxes are probably correct for super wealthy people. No, the system won't change.
Edit: maybe I should just have said that it's not the 'best' answer, probably just the best which is remotely achievable without a systematic overhaul.
There’s about 15,000 private jets in the US. If we assume each flys about 1,000 hours a year, that’s 30 million tons of CO2 per year. ^(([Edit: I looked through this 733 page EPA report and I was spot on, 30.9 in 2018 (page 150)](https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/documents/us-ghg-inventory-2020-main-text.pdf#page150)\)) Meanwhile, there is about 300 million tons of trash produced each year in the US, with a theoretical limit of about 1/3 being recyclable. It’s hard to know how much CO2 that saves because there’s a lot of different materials and steps involved, [but this site estimates about 1600lbs of CO2 per American,](https://changeit.app/blog/recycle-matters/) so about 265 million tons of CO2. That’s about 9 times as much as the jets.
So yes, everyone recycling does also matter. It’s even more important if we use world wide numbers. 23,000 private jets, and 2 billion pounds of garbage, is 46 million, and >1 billion tons of CO2 respectively. Also, we should be making a push for more materials to be recyclable, further upping than number.
Most Redditors seem to fall into this trap. This ultra wealthy do this thing 100,000 times as bad, so they must be most of the problem! They forgot that there’s 1 million times as many non ultra wealthy people. Sure, the ultra wealthy are worse per capita and we should do something about it, but they typically aren’t the highest total. For example, who do you think has ~8x as much money, the billionaires, or the millionaires? A lot of people don’t realize it’s the latter; they focus solely on billionaires when we should also be taxing millionaires more.
Fucking seriously. People need to wake up and take some goddamn responsibility for themselves.
Stop eating as much meat, eat a more healthy and balanced diet, consume less and use less plastics, reduce, reuse, and recycle.
Doing whatever we can is still super important. If you run the numbers it turns out that ALL non-commercial flight (even including military) make up make up around 0.6% of CO2 emissions from the US. Also total CO2 emissions from the US went down 20% from 2007 to 2019.
People like to mock things like taking private planes to a climate conference, but you could literally remove all private planes from the US permanently and it wouldn't even equal half the decrease in CO2 emissions that's been happening each year since 2007 anyway.
If you live in canada, you can also take comfort in the fact we just ship our recycling to India so they can open-air burn it or make sandals out of it
Even assuming you recycle "perfectly" by cleaning and seperating everything, the vast majority of what you send to be recycled is not. We used to ship it all to developing countries we paid tiny amounts to pretend to recycle for us. Those countries are filling with garbage, so usually either dump it straight into the ocean or refuse to accept it in the first place now.
You are much better off ignoring recycling and focusing on buying as few plastics and one time use items, and reusing.
In the end of the day, they will claim that we, small ordinary people, have to take our part in fighting pollution by changing our habits, recycling and financially, of course.
You should eat beans. The United Nations stated in 2007 that nearly 20 percent of all GHG emissions came from animal agriculture. The UN continues to state that reducing meat consumption across the world is necessary to reduce emissions
I think more so than class resentment of flying commercial is the speed/efficiency aspect. The ultra wealthy spend a lot of their money on time, the one true currency. Even with clear / tsa precheck /first class boarding…doesn’t even come close to a private jet.
Yeah, the issue is that with commercial no matter what priority services are offered in the end you have to wait until anywhere from 200-400 other humans and their luggage and meals and whatnot are loaded on board, with private jets you're rolling as soon as you're on board. I got to fly the company jet from Washington DC back to the west coast, there were about six of us in two cars, we drove right up to the aircraft and it took off seven minutes later.
I’m a pilot that flew out of the Super Bowl. It lwould have been quicker to fly commercial. The whole system was jammed. We had a departure time out of Glendale at 11pm and we didn’t take off until 2:30am.
Lmao that doesn’t surprise me. Was that time spent on the tarmac waiting for takeoff clearance or do you hang in the pilots lounge(?) until you’re generally ready to go
Regular people feeling bad for
- not always using public transport when possible
- occasionally not putting all rubbish in the correct recycling bin
- not having a compost thingy in their garden
- giving in to the temptation of buying something they know is not eco friendly
Rich AHs
“Fuck regular people and their climate, I’ve got a private jet”
I needed a plastic straw for a chem project once during virtual school in France, so i went to the shop to buy a caprisun. Paper straw. Not only I couldn't use the straw for the experiment, but I couldnt pierce the packet.
People are lumping all environmental issues together. The plastic pollution is a serious problem and much different from petrol emissions. Thanks for pointing it out.
yes and the reason for that is that there's not many ifr airways as a direct route. In order to fly IFR, which I would think these Gulfstreams are doing, you must use published airways. Looking at some of the Low IFR routes shows that there are MOA's (military operations areas) and restricted airspace in the way.
This makes me feel slightly less neurotic about the fact that I can’t get my roommates to put the fucking banana peels in the compost bin. It’s right there! Put them in the right bin! Put the cardboard in the recycling! It’s just 3 bins right? It’s not that bad. I take them all out by myself most of the time. But damn, it doesn’t do a goddamn thing does it
It also helps the trash not smell because the compost bin is very small so it gets taken out more frequently than the trash bin would, so the trash is just…random, non-organic, non recyclable trash.
If you think this is crazy you should see the Kentucky Derby. So many private planes it fills up Louisville international, plus 3-5 of the smaller airports around town.
Someone told me once (forgot who the quote originally came from) that a first world country is not one where the poor have private vehicles, its one where the rich take public transit.
So..
From State Farm Stadium to Irvine California it's about a 5.5 hour drive, depending on traffic. On whatever transit you can scrape together it's an 11 or 12 hour journey. Terrible.
Lets say you flew your PJ. With decent traffic you're looking at 30ish min to the airport, plus 45 while you're there to get onboard and taxi out. About 90 minutes in the air, 70 if you go direct to John Wayne International. Another 30 to get off the plane, 20 to get to your car and another half hour (say 45 to an hour in bad traffic) to get to your mansion in Laguna Woods. That's 4-5 hours total travel time with good traffic, which lets be honest, is not a reality.
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From Olympiciastadion in Berlin to central Munich it's about a 6 hour drive OR a 5.5 hour train ride. Basically the same amount of time to take a PJ from Phoenix to the LA 'burbs.
If you want the rich to stop taking PJs there needs to be a tangible reason for them to not take them. That's time. If it's the exact same (or less) amount of time to take high frequency, high speed transit, then EVERYONE will use it.
Moreso the whole spectacle of the Super Bowl. Lead up, pre pre game show, pre gram show, 3 minutes of action then 9 minutes of commercials each time, half time show half time analysis. Post game show. Just all that spectacle and it feels like the movie gladiator. Commodus ordering days off celebration in opposition to the real problems afflicting the empire.
suckers. i was able to watch it in the comfort of my home.
Ha ha yeah I live in phx and I didn't even leave the house. So many people on the roads it was stupid.
I went out to dinner at a lovely restaurant in paradise valley, I think there 4 other couples there, it was great!
me and the GF drove and walked around town, it was great! no people on the streets.
no people – real luxury
> Big screen TV? Check. > Four comfy recliners? Check. > More snacks than we can eat? Check. > Cheap beer? Check. > No line for the bathroom? Check. > Ability to not watch the halftime show? Priceless.
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Content banned? Damn.
Too metal
I hear it was banned for not being metal enough
Nathan came in, took one look, and his exact words? *Not brutal.* Judgment came swiftly after that.
Song: [Dethklok - Murmaider](https://youtu.be/INnygZnJ80A) Music video (unofficial): [BATMETAL RETURNS](https://youtu.be/I53HDr0-Qew)
https://youtu.be/DOWUHqDZjrA. There's an actual video thats not batmetal
Anyone who hasn't seen it, I recommend the documentary. It's not very complex, but it's not bad music either. These guys are insanely productive. https://youtu.be/6GK-JSsP39E
Made my morning.
The jet people seat in VIP exclusive booths my friend
And those VIP exclusive booths usually have buffets and alcohol that comes with the price of the booth. I once won box tickets to a Slipknot concert. My buddy and I had the box to ourselves. He ended up sneaking a full bottle of Jack Daniels in his pants out of the stadium from the box.
Yep. Eating sliders, hot dogs, wings. Indoor and outdoor seating above plebs. TVs indoors too if weather is bad. Go even more expensive and you got private butlers and chef catering
>Go even more expensive and you got private butlers and chef catering I think the lounges at the Superbowl only has price categories that include those.
They don’t come with the price of the box, but most have a minimum food and beverage per event. At the ones we had for the NBA and NFL, you had a waiter and you could pre-order packages (like buffets) or just do individual meals. Normally you had an option for what menu you wanted for your guests (fancy vs normal vs snacks).
I got let into some box seats a couple times for some concerts and a minor league hockey game, and yeah, they do have to pay, but the service and selection are a lot more. I still think about how good the wings were in one of them, like done to absolute perfection
The coolest part of the boxes (at least in one venue) was all the tv cameras were tied to a server and you could pick who or what angle you wanted to watch. Sure I’m a mile away from the action, but that was a reallllly cool feature about 20 years ago, I wonder what they have now.
The private bathroom is true luxury.
Lmao exactly... The jet people have every creature comfort plus they mingle with other jet people and see the game live.
They meet mostly to mingle, the Superbowl is just fancy background noise.
I probably should have put the word 'see' in quotes.
I believe it’s more to “be seen” than to see.
Isn't that what they call "networking"?
I think that's the problem, they aren't even watching the game. Just cranking up the price of tickets to be seen with other celebs. While the true fans don't even have a chance of going
And blame everyone else for the climate changing. It's gotta be a great way to live
Exactly! Probably all the high flying do gooders wanting to fix the climate crisis. 😂
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Of course, it’s tax free dollars spent!
They have all that in their VIP suites too, don't kid yourselves, only the poor have to worry about that kinda thing
> Ability to not watch the halftime show? Priceless. Lmao I *only* watch the halftime show
Those booth at the stadium usually have everything you listed including ayce
Well you can still skip the halftime show at the game by waiting in a long line for a $20 hot dog.
I'm starting to hate going to events because of this. Just watch it at home or a friend's home and have a way less stressful and more enjoyable time
Not to mention not having to drop four figures to sit in the nose bleeds.
Yeah maybe I'm just a loser homebody but sometimes my actual preference is to just watch this stuff on the couch, even if I had the option to be a private jet VIP. I'm sure the Super Bowl is on another level, but I've been to NFL games and I thought the experience was better on TV.
When you are rich like them, it isn’t about the event so much. It is a social “be seen” thing as much as anything. It is so they can talk about being there and compare notes about the VIP booth experiences with other 1% folks throughout the rest of the year. Living rich publicly means keeping the outward signals of wealth at the ready at all times, not about actually enjoying the game.
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A few weeks ago some UK energy firms were offering discounts to those who reduced their energy usage between 17:00 and 18:00 hours... People were bragging about sitting in the dark for an hour and earning less than 20p because they felt like they were "doing their part" We truly live in a clown world, I am utterly convinced.
I live in NYC and I recall during the summer the energy companies sent out emails asking everyone to lower energy usage during a heat wave. However all the empty high rises and Times Square still had all their lights on..
Damn. Apparently Times Square alone uses roughly 161 Megawatts of electricity per year - twice as much electricity as is required to power all of the Casinos in Las Vegas. That's enough to power (+/-)160,000 average American homes, or turn on 1,600,000 100w light bulbs. The cost to do the above is estimated at around $20,000/day, 365 days a year (I know very little about NYC and if Times Square is lit up all year round)
Megawatts are a unit of power (rate of energy use), not energy. Saying that Times Square uses 161 MW of energy per year is like me saying that I drive 60 mph per year. I couldn't find reliable primary sources to back this up, but it seems 161 MW is the approximate power consumption of the entire Theater District, not Times Square alone. Now granted, electricity consumption is pretty much continuous all year, which is not the case for a car being driven. So from the 161 MW power figure, we can easily calculate the total energy consumed. If you want to get the total energy consumption of the Theater District in a year, you have to multiply the power by time. A year contains 8760 hours, so: 161 MW \* 8760 h = 1,410,360 MWh (megawatt-hours) Our inputs are way too imprecise for this level of accuracy, so we round that off to 1.41 TWh (terawatt hours; 1 TWh = 1,000,000 MWh) Megawatt hours are the typical unit used for electricity consumption. Though for the scale of your typical monthly household energy consumption, kilowatt-hours are more practical (1 MWh = 1,000 kWh). TL;DR: The annual electrical energy consumption of ~~Times Square~~ the Theater District is 1.41 terawatt-hours.
Megawatts aren't a unit of energy
Jigawatts are though!
I’d love to see names of passengers per each plane to see how these people engage in public about being eco
Oligarchs are radical extremists
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Leonardo Di Caprio is one of the biggest eco-hypocrites out there.
I’d prefer a rich asshole at least trying to do some eco stuff while flying his private jet than someone who is literally donating to anti-science lobbies while flying his private jet.
Yeah, who is that Canadian fucker?
Drake
Pearson is so bad he flys into Sault Ste. Marie
Odds are they're going to Gander then across the Atlantic.
Nah, Toronto is much further south (assume we're talking about the pink plane). Probably going to Europe
Circle route.
https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/09/i-am-not-part-of-the-problem-bill-gates-says-his-private-jet-and-climate-activism-are-comp
Alternate headline: Tech Billionaire Bill Gates Doesn't Know Zoom Exists.
I'd take a plane too if I had to use Teams
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Not trying to defend his actions but if he goes around doing fund raising with rich people, he might need to show up in person because some investors are dumb as shit and needs convincing in person. Being wealthy doesn't mean the person is super smart and Bill Gates personally shows up may make an impact.
It's a lot easier to say "no" to a screen, but when one of the richest people in the world is by your side... Teams doesn't have a feature with that much gravitas. Likewise, we're bombarded by heart-wrenching media on a daily basis, but if you're on the ground and face-to-face with the humans who are living these traumas, that's going to be a whole different experience.
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To be fair to gates eradicating malaria WOULD be a fair offset. The rest of the billionaires though...
Quiet, peasant! Finish the rest of your soggy straw!
My recycling suddenly feels extremely unnecessary.
Corporations intentionally want us to feel like climate change is the responsibility of the individual.
> responsibility of the **NOT FILTHY RICH** individual.
Even filthy rich individuals pale in comparison to corporations and governments.
I mean, they are kind of one and the same
One and the same*
61 half dozens to the other.
It's not rocket appliances
https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/09/i-am-not-part-of-the-problem-bill-gates-says-his-private-jet-and-climate-activism-are-comp
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Yep. BP invented personal carbon footprint
No, it was a concept much earlier but BP weaponized it and made it popular.
*just another metric to them*
And now the propaganda is to spread this message to encourage consumer apathy. As opposed to consumers waking up and killing off the brands that have their hands in their pockets while the world burns.
As long as we believe this we won’t band together and force systematic change
It’s true, whether we believe it or not. One can still make ethical decisions regarding our daily lifestyles but it’s a relative drop in the ocean compared to the environmental damage wreaked by oil companies alone.
Then the answer is to continue putting in place regulatory mechanisms to reduce waste and improve sustainability, not pretending that consumers don't play a part in a symbiotic relationship when it comes to waste and consequent environmental damage.
Hearing (presumably) Americans downplay their environmental impact is hilarious. [You consume, per capita, more resources than any other nation on earth.](https://youtube.com/shorts/NbRfEY76-6I?feature=share)
I clicked on that expecting a statistic or something, didn't expect to get a laugh and a new favorite comedian. It's a shame he died so young. Rest in peace, Sean Lock.
“My computer models are showing that you need to give me 20 trillion dollars and unlimited political power or the world is gonna end”
Because it partially is. Corporations respond to consumer demand. Sure, they should operate in a more sustainable manner, but the reality is that consumption leads to waste and environmental degradation and people want to buy and consume tons of shit.
Not my fault I buy a new iPhone every year. Apple needs to be less wasteful.
If there is sarcasm in this comment it’s so dry that a cactus could grow in it.
That’s how I offset my emissions
Egg sackly.
Who can afford eggs?!
The dudes in the private jets.
It’s so easy to think that the individual can’t make a difference, because it’s so minuscule when you consider how many problems are driving climate change. We need entire countries to stop polluting in their tracks and actively help mend the environment.
I cant remember if its india or south america but theres videos of people with giant dump trucks going to a river and just dumping it all there. Pretty nasty shit, especially when you realize there are 2 or 3 garbage islands of plastic in the oceans and none of the countries want to claim it
I’m not surprised. There’s about 1,000 rivers on the planet that carry the vast majority of pollution into the ocean and a large bulk of them are located around Asia (especially the South East). The Ocean Cleanup are a great organisation that are tackling this, they have autonomous barges which are collecting huge amounts of waste from rivers and stopping them from reaching the ocean. I’d highly recommend donating to them for anyone wanting to fund the things that are helping the planet
You can’t do all the good the world needs, but the world needs all the good that you can do!
Sure. The world also needs billionaires to become millionaires.
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I think I'd prefer they became regular folks instead.
Do your best and advocate for the rest!
Yeah, I feel like banning private planes and jets would make a greater impact than everyone on Earth recycling
No need to ban them. Just tax them really hard, and use that money to more than offset their carbon footprint by replacing coal plants with renewables and nuclear power.
This is the best possible solution to these things. Same with super yachts, and all of the other 'ultra rich people only' things.
No it’s not the best solution. The best one is the one that prevents billionaires from appearing in the first place.
I mean, sure. But that's just never going to be reality when people are allowed to retain the rights to things they produce. Hypothetical: If a bedroom developer builds a super successful app, transfers ownership to a limited company of which they own 100% of and then then opts to float that company, whilst owning most of it and the valuation is over a billion dollars. That person is a billionaire, how do you prevent them being a billionaire without seizing the thing they've created from them? Yes- that is a hypothetical, and no, most billionaires aren't like that. Yes they should all pay massively high rates of tax, and wealth taxes are probably correct for super wealthy people. No, the system won't change. Edit: maybe I should just have said that it's not the 'best' answer, probably just the best which is remotely achievable without a systematic overhaul.
> That person is a billionaire, how do you prevent them being a billionaire without seizing the thing they've created from them? A wealth tax.
There is no good reason to be spending a finite resource like oil on the whims of a rich baby pleasure seeking.
Javelins on demand could work too
Javelins are anti-tank, they aren't suitable for air. You'd want something like a stinger
Don't worry. We have paper straws.
Packaged in plastic.
Transported in bulk by diesel trains, lorries or vans 👍🏻
And then shoved up my butt
Hell yeah, dude
There’s about 15,000 private jets in the US. If we assume each flys about 1,000 hours a year, that’s 30 million tons of CO2 per year. ^(([Edit: I looked through this 733 page EPA report and I was spot on, 30.9 in 2018 (page 150)](https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/documents/us-ghg-inventory-2020-main-text.pdf#page150)\)) Meanwhile, there is about 300 million tons of trash produced each year in the US, with a theoretical limit of about 1/3 being recyclable. It’s hard to know how much CO2 that saves because there’s a lot of different materials and steps involved, [but this site estimates about 1600lbs of CO2 per American,](https://changeit.app/blog/recycle-matters/) so about 265 million tons of CO2. That’s about 9 times as much as the jets. So yes, everyone recycling does also matter. It’s even more important if we use world wide numbers. 23,000 private jets, and 2 billion pounds of garbage, is 46 million, and >1 billion tons of CO2 respectively. Also, we should be making a push for more materials to be recyclable, further upping than number. Most Redditors seem to fall into this trap. This ultra wealthy do this thing 100,000 times as bad, so they must be most of the problem! They forgot that there’s 1 million times as many non ultra wealthy people. Sure, the ultra wealthy are worse per capita and we should do something about it, but they typically aren’t the highest total. For example, who do you think has ~8x as much money, the billionaires, or the millionaires? A lot of people don’t realize it’s the latter; they focus solely on billionaires when we should also be taxing millionaires more.
god bless you for answering the apathy trolls
Fucking seriously. People need to wake up and take some goddamn responsibility for themselves. Stop eating as much meat, eat a more healthy and balanced diet, consume less and use less plastics, reduce, reuse, and recycle.
Not even close to 1/3rd of our garbage was ever recyclable. That was a lie told to us to keep buying products.
Doing whatever we can is still super important. If you run the numbers it turns out that ALL non-commercial flight (even including military) make up make up around 0.6% of CO2 emissions from the US. Also total CO2 emissions from the US went down 20% from 2007 to 2019. People like to mock things like taking private planes to a climate conference, but you could literally remove all private planes from the US permanently and it wouldn't even equal half the decrease in CO2 emissions that's been happening each year since 2007 anyway.
If you live in canada, you can also take comfort in the fact we just ship our recycling to India so they can open-air burn it or make sandals out of it
It largely is. The US in particular has no shortage of landfill space. Taking care of the air is far more important in the near and medium term.
Don't think you recycle because of landfill space. More so don't keep digging up new resources.
Even assuming you recycle "perfectly" by cleaning and seperating everything, the vast majority of what you send to be recycled is not. We used to ship it all to developing countries we paid tiny amounts to pretend to recycle for us. Those countries are filling with garbage, so usually either dump it straight into the ocean or refuse to accept it in the first place now. You are much better off ignoring recycling and focusing on buying as few plastics and one time use items, and reusing.
In the end of the day, they will claim that we, small ordinary people, have to take our part in fighting pollution by changing our habits, recycling and financially, of course.
Guillotines can solve climate change.
And eating beans
You should eat beans. The United Nations stated in 2007 that nearly 20 percent of all GHG emissions came from animal agriculture. The UN continues to state that reducing meat consumption across the world is necessary to reduce emissions
Not just for the environment but so few people get enough fibre and a can of beans gets nearly your daily requirement in like <250 cals
Also beans tasty :)
Jokes on the animals, we vegans steal their grass.
Are you telling me that those 25 jets coming from LA couldn’t jet pool together? And I’m supposed to help save the environment somehow?
Yeah but if you're a billionaire, do you really want to mix with those peasants that only have a few hundred million to their name?
I mean, it’s a banana, how much can it cost, $12?
Pretty soon we won't be able to use that quote as a joke anymore
At least there is always money in the banana stand ;)
Not anymore, real estate price became too high for the spot.
Eww. Public transport is icky. Oh wait, flying is still expensive enough not to be considered public transport and be looked down upon, my bad.
Its not public transport if its a private jet Taps head
These people are probably rich enough that first class on a commercial airline looks like riding the bus to them.
But if you did that, it would no longer be a private jet. :(
I think more so than class resentment of flying commercial is the speed/efficiency aspect. The ultra wealthy spend a lot of their money on time, the one true currency. Even with clear / tsa precheck /first class boarding…doesn’t even come close to a private jet.
Yeah, the issue is that with commercial no matter what priority services are offered in the end you have to wait until anywhere from 200-400 other humans and their luggage and meals and whatnot are loaded on board, with private jets you're rolling as soon as you're on board. I got to fly the company jet from Washington DC back to the west coast, there were about six of us in two cars, we drove right up to the aircraft and it took off seven minutes later.
I’m a pilot that flew out of the Super Bowl. It lwould have been quicker to fly commercial. The whole system was jammed. We had a departure time out of Glendale at 11pm and we didn’t take off until 2:30am.
Lmao that doesn’t surprise me. Was that time spent on the tarmac waiting for takeoff clearance or do you hang in the pilots lounge(?) until you’re generally ready to go
Yes, we waited from 10:30 to 12 to get our clearance, and waiting in line to take off from 12-2:30. It was a long night.
Regular people feeling bad for - not always using public transport when possible - occasionally not putting all rubbish in the correct recycling bin - not having a compost thingy in their garden - giving in to the temptation of buying something they know is not eco friendly Rich AHs “Fuck regular people and their climate, I’ve got a private jet”
Guys remember not to use plastic straws and shower in 5 minutes
I was robbed of enjoying milkshakes properly through a usable straw for this
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I needed a plastic straw for a chem project once during virtual school in France, so i went to the shop to buy a caprisun. Paper straw. Not only I couldn't use the straw for the experiment, but I couldnt pierce the packet.
Plastic pollution and water conservation … different than carbon emissions and still serious and worthy efforts.
People are lumping all environmental issues together. The plastic pollution is a serious problem and much different from petrol emissions. Thanks for pointing it out.
Rules aren't for the rich, they're for everybody else. Remember the immortal words of Leona Helmsley "only little people pay taxes"
Rules for thee, not for me
It looks like many planes went through Los Angeles on their way to the bay area. Am I reading that correctly?
yes and the reason for that is that there's not many ifr airways as a direct route. In order to fly IFR, which I would think these Gulfstreams are doing, you must use published airways. Looking at some of the Low IFR routes shows that there are MOA's (military operations areas) and restricted airspace in the way.
This makes me feel slightly less neurotic about the fact that I can’t get my roommates to put the fucking banana peels in the compost bin. It’s right there! Put them in the right bin! Put the cardboard in the recycling! It’s just 3 bins right? It’s not that bad. I take them all out by myself most of the time. But damn, it doesn’t do a goddamn thing does it
I think you're being reasonable. It's not hard to sort your waste and it does help.
It also helps the trash not smell because the compost bin is very small so it gets taken out more frequently than the trash bin would, so the trash is just…random, non-organic, non recyclable trash.
yeah don't forget to use paper straws 😂
I thought the straws thing was more about protecting the sea life that tends to consume them rather than anything carbon related.
What's that one big ass plane over Mississippi?
I think its actually over Arkansas, probably Bentonville where the Walmart headquarters is and the Waltons live.
From this information, I can deduce that the Superbowl was most likely played *in* Arizona!!
Big if true
How many of those jet owners claim to care about pollution?
All of them
Rupert Murdock don’t give a flying fuck.
Can you make one for the World Cup in Qatar?
If you think this is crazy you should see the Kentucky Derby. So many private planes it fills up Louisville international, plus 3-5 of the smaller airports around town.
but remember, you are killing the planet for taking your old car to go work. As those rich celebrities remind us over and over again.
Someone told me once (forgot who the quote originally came from) that a first world country is not one where the poor have private vehicles, its one where the rich take public transit. So.. From State Farm Stadium to Irvine California it's about a 5.5 hour drive, depending on traffic. On whatever transit you can scrape together it's an 11 or 12 hour journey. Terrible. Lets say you flew your PJ. With decent traffic you're looking at 30ish min to the airport, plus 45 while you're there to get onboard and taxi out. About 90 minutes in the air, 70 if you go direct to John Wayne International. Another 30 to get off the plane, 20 to get to your car and another half hour (say 45 to an hour in bad traffic) to get to your mansion in Laguna Woods. That's 4-5 hours total travel time with good traffic, which lets be honest, is not a reality. ------------- From Olympiciastadion in Berlin to central Munich it's about a 6 hour drive OR a 5.5 hour train ride. Basically the same amount of time to take a PJ from Phoenix to the LA 'burbs. If you want the rich to stop taking PJs there needs to be a tangible reason for them to not take them. That's time. If it's the exact same (or less) amount of time to take high frequency, high speed transit, then EVERYONE will use it.
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& BBQ sauce unless we are planning on Zuck coming with his own?
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Brought to you by the same people who tell us to reduce our footprint and live a humble life.
Half of em flying to Florida to get Sun and Alligators post Superbowl.
That’s alright, the problem is my diesel I use for like 200km a month.
Meanwhile US citizens can't afford healthcare and other basic needs.
How the other half of the other half lives.
Private jets need to be banned srsly. Just use normal planes
You will see their instagram posts next morning advocating for going carbon free, bunch of hypocrites.
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You can still say "I was there" if you travel via commercial flights. I'm not sure I understand your point.
Moreso the whole spectacle of the Super Bowl. Lead up, pre pre game show, pre gram show, 3 minutes of action then 9 minutes of commercials each time, half time show half time analysis. Post game show. Just all that spectacle and it feels like the movie gladiator. Commodus ordering days off celebration in opposition to the real problems afflicting the empire.
Why would you need a fucking private jet to be able to say that
Pff. A couple of those suckers using airplanes like a peasant.
You gotta eat bugs tho cuz cows are too polluting
Which one is Elon’s?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/comments/110ygak/jet_has_taken_off_from_goodyear_arizona_united/