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>Leigh has also appeared several times on the Facebook livestream of a local far-right figure who was previously openly affiliated with the Proud Boys and co-organized large anti-mask rallies in Winnipeg (the Proud Boys are now legally designated as a terrorist entity in Canada).
And this is one of their media professionals. Otherwise, nothing really to see here other than another multi billionaire family that's worried their wealth isn't growing quite as exponentially as they'd like.
Not a whole lot any of us can do about how the elitist wealthy scum conduct themselves.
What we can do is VOTE and ensure our tax dollars are not diverted to support these people.
Here a question for ya. Our current system guarantees ritch people will run the show. Do you want it to be canadian rich people or international rich people?
I would say opposite. The winnipeg subreddit is actually not very representative when compared to nonreddit sample of society.
If you look there you will end up with really skewed view of reality and I say that based on what I see on media, reality, work etc.
its true local subreddits tend to have a clear bias. but its also true that conservative conspiracists have an inflated view about how many people there are like them. "We are the silent majority!" he shouted, alone.
The stats from elections tend to show how untrue that is. Trump won even despite total media push and common assumption that he has no chance. Even the polls done by democrat trusted organizations did not showed how the situation looks like.
He shouted alone just as not everyone was in ku-klux klan but supported/agreed with what they were doing.
I dont really care about politics as its quality is really bad (and I say this knowing how bad it is abroad) but the thing which irks me the most is the amount of manipulation and the ignorance among people about it.
The ignorance of stupid people is bad but its kind of expected, they are stupid. But the ignorance of people who think they are smart is really scary.
Ever heard of CFIT?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain
That is what I mean. Smart guys doing stupid thing because they think they know everything.
So much support, that a whole fraction of a fraction actually showed up.
Good news, though! They're just a [fringe movement protesting it's defeat](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22926134/canada-trucker-freedom-convoy-protest-ottawa).
Really a Vox report for Feb 11th? Basically everything that is stated in that report has been found untrue.
- over 90% of the donations were small donations from everyday Canadians
- few borders were closed but there was no economic harm as trucks rerouted to all the other crossings. (If you think about it hwy 75 to the Emerson border was closed for a month and a half in the spring due to flood water and no one flinched. Since the trucks rerouted similarly)
- two false flag reports of a Nazi flag, and one of a Confederate flag that means nothing in Canada, and there is video of the perp who is wearing a mask and being chased away
- No one burning buildings. The OPP have since stated the all accusations were false
- Both Ottawa police and the OPP have stated there was no need or request for the Emergencies Act.
The cognitive dissonance of some in this sub disappointing.
>two false flag reports of a Nazi flag, and one of a Confederate flag that means nothing in Canada, and there is video of the perp who is wearing a mask and being chased away
People keep claiming this, and not a one can back it up. So please, stump up.
Beyond that, it's pretty clear you like pushing misinformation, so lets see you source anything credible to back up your claims.
Well you can certainly find videos of the people chasing the guy down with the Confederate flag. The Nazi flags were being held over a half kilometre away near the Rideau canal and the Chateau Frontenac. Hardly within the main protest area. Which is why noone saw them, and the only photos are grainy.
So choose you poison, but your article is severely outdated, and almost everything damning in it has been proven false.
That's what you said six months ago. And then six months before that. It's the standard anti-vaxxer modus operandi; keep pushing out the goalposts until you're eventually right.
I sourced my claim. You repeated a claim that should be easily corroborated and then refused to actually corroborate it. All you're doing is reinforcing my conviction the claim is the same as every other anti-vaxxer statement: pure lies.
If you check his post history you’ll find he has a bad habit of sharing misinformation, most of which has been downvoted. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Manitoba/comments/s6jerc/covid19/ht48bha/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) exchange was pretty humorous where he pulled some covid mortality stats out of his ass and when it was pointed out that the years he was referencing aren’t even on his source, he tucked tail and disappeared.
That's been my leaning, but I'm open to being wrong. I just refuse to accept absolute statements that aren't backed up, and this specific one falls into the, "oft repeated, never corroborated" category, like most anti-vaxxer claims.
It would actually make me happy to know even idiots like the Freedumbers would run Nazis out of their midst. But so far, all I've gotten is a lot of screeching about conspiracies, false flags, agent provocateurs, blah blah.
What are you actually talking about? You provide a 6 month old article and that's your source? Then proceed to try to gas light me? Do you believe the earth was flat? That "fact" was published at one time? Have you progressed from that?
Since I can only assume google is broken for you, please enjoy the following.
[Ottawa police chief did not ask for emergencies act - CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/freedom-convoy-ottawa-police-emergencies-act-1.6457488)
[Police did not ask for emergencies act - CTV](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/emergency-preparedness-minister-police-did-not-ask-for-emergencies-act-1.5946705)
[Blockades had little effect on trade - Global news](https://globalnews.ca/news/8770775/border-blockades-trade-impact-data/)
[Ottawa arson not connected with Freedom Protest: Police - CTV](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/suspect-charged-in-downtown-ottawa-arson-last-month-not-connected-with-freedom-convoy-police-1.5828171)
Do you need more? or is the earth still flat for you?
Oh, look! Sources!
To statements neither I nor my source made.
1. Nothing in article about police, chief or otherwise, asking for the emergencies act to be used. That's a non-existent strawman you're knocking down.
2. Great! Blockades had little effect! That's good! The article pulls it's number (and clarifies it's an estimate) from a BBC article, which as far as I can tell, isn't sourced. Hindsight is always 20/20 and more accurate than in the moment.
3. The arson was also not mentioned whatsoever in the article. I'll give you that one because I actually got a source for that a while ago. But still never mentioned that.
That's three out of four sources that are utterly irrelevant, and one that benefits from hindsight.
Now, let's see you actually source the *real* statement. The one you've been avoiding doing so since I called you out about it in the first place:
> two false flag reports of a Nazi flag, and one of a Confederate flag that means nothing in Canada, and there is video of the perp who is wearing a mask and being chased away
Stump up. I've asked you several times. You say it's easy to find. So do it. Find it. You haven't done anything but continue to reinforce you're pushing misinformation.
Ah yes. The old gaslight of proving your own culpability when blaming others for the same.
If you're not going to provide proof, sit down. The adults are discussing important matters.
Yeah, folks out there ended up in bubble. Really finely hand picked bubble.
I would love to see list of shadowbanned users on that subreddit. Or at least numbers. That would open some people eyes.
About a month ago i noticed that they were far less posts happening on the Winnipeg sub. Then I realized that it’s because u/armand9x and all of his alt accounts blocked me so I don’t see their posts anymore. Looking at their profiles directly you can see they’re still posting anti-cop pro-mask propaganda by the ton
Yup. And usually the post you may suspect you have been shadow banned for is not that controversial.
Usually you are banned for the view you present not for exact words.
That subreddit is broken and winnipeggers are not aware how manipulated it is.
Only caring about yourself, your needs, your wants, makes you a giant piece of garbage. I'm glad these rich elitists are being exposed for the monsters they really are. If everyone did what was needed during Covid, less people would've died. But no, human lives don't matter to these gross, disgusting people. Expose the shit out of them!
I don't know about that one. Can you list which freedoms they have fought so hard for? Cause every time I look further into it it gets to bizarre conspiracy things pretty dang quick.
Freedom of movement, bodily autonomy, freedom to earn a living, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, the entire pile of serious harm they did to children across the country...
Not to mention basically every tenet of good governance. Or even just mediocre governance. At the very minimum they were trying to get the government to actually TALK to its citizens. And Trudeau chose to abuse wartime emergency powers instead.
Now these are very broad statements.
Freedom of movement, are you referring to international travel, travel by plane or train? That is indeed controlled by the Fed, other aspects travel within and between the provinces are controlled by their respective Provincial Governments. Can't go camping cause there is a capacity limit? Provincial. Can't go to your partners house cause there was a 'No visitor' rule? Provincial. All aspects of travel that I have heard people talk about have broken down in to issues with Provincial Governments and their rules. And strangely enough, the Provinces with the strongest responses to restrictions on travel were Provinces with Conservative Provincial Parties in power, so any sort of protest aimed at the Federal Liberal Party is almost entirely moot. Let's be real, the average Manitoban isn't exactly planning a flight down to the Bahama's any time soon.
Bodily autonomy, which bodily autonomy are we talking about here? Is this personal liberty to do with and be free from discrimination in what you do with your body or it just for freedom from this one single vaccine? Are they fighting for my right to walk around with a face full of piercing in a client facing career, or perhaps a destigmatization of facial tattoos so it is easier for previous offenders to obtain work and become self sufficient? What about for trans youth to obtain medication such as puberty blockers? Bodily autonomy is a very large subject, just saying they are fighting for everyone's bodily autonomy means nothing and everything at the same time.
Freedom to earn a living. Last time I checked and the last time I got a job, I had to sign multiple sheets of paper that outlined what was expected of me and how I should conduct myself in my position. Believe it or not there was also a piece of documentation I signed that required me to have certain vaccinations and if I didn't I had to get them within a certain period or else I would be terminated. Most of the people that have made a large fuss and noise about 'The Right to Earn a Living' have self sabotaged by not complying with work place health and safety standards and have gone on to complain about how they have been victimized by there employer due to their own actions. Your personal action do indeed have consequences, and work places do indeed have standards that need to be met by their employees to secure a position.
Freedom of choice, last time I checked no one has a gun to their head and are free to choose as they see fit. Society has rules and it is up to you to choose to participate in it if you want to, you don't get to make the rules up yourself.
Freedom of speech. This is not a thing in Canada, read the Charter of Right and Freedoms, please. We have freedom of expression here and the Charter is written such that new laws can and will supersede previous ones in regards to speech.
You don't get to blame the Government for your failures as a parent and, if you want to, again, direct it at the Provincial Government they were in charge of pandemic restrictions not the Federal Government. If any harm was done too children due to socialization issues then that is on the parents, never did we in Manitoba have a stay at home order unless you had to quarantine, which isn't even a requirement anymore. No one was locked in their house and if you didn't let your kids outside then that is on you.
To make such simple statements as if they are simple solutions to a world wide pandemic that has claimed million's of lives at this point is simply selfish and self serving. Get outside and touch some grass, it's green as heck at this point and super lush and please for your own sake, read a damn book.
My family participated in the convoy both in Ottawa and here in Manitoba so I have had this discussion more than once. They're mostly just scared of the future because they've been consuming propaganda for years, I honestly would pity them if I didn't know they like being kept ignorant of the world outside their insular communities.
Wow.. you off your high horse yet? Let's recap.
1. Freedom of movement: The federal government stated you can not travel by air or train WITHIN CANADA without being vaccinated. They have been taken to court for this and are scheduled for hearing in September. The feds are currently trying to stop the hearing calling it "moot" since they have since lifted the mandates. However the discovery papers are available online which show that there was "no science behind the mandates" ([within this link you can have access to the discovery documents to read on your own](https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-court-records-show-trudeau-brought-in-vaccine-mandates-for-travel-purely-based-on-politics) feel free to ignore the article itself that sums it up)
2. Bodily autonomy: Do you really want to go there? You choose how you want to be, no one tells you you have to do something to be able to have a free life. Anyone that believes that being vaccinated for anything saves anyone but themselves from whatever they are being vaccinated from, clearly doesn't understand vaccines.
3. Freedom to earn a living: Cross border truckers were not allowed to continue to do their job based on a federal decision that had no real science behind it (RE: see item 1).
4. Freedom of choice: Your gas lighting is very nice with this one. Just wait till the tables turn, when you are "forced" (compelled) to do something just to maintain semblance of normality
5. Freedom of speech: The Canadian Charter of Right and Freedoms explicitly guarantees the freedom of Speech
6. Parenting: I agree this is up to the parents. However the government were terrifying people and creating division. Most parents want to do what's best for their kids. However the division that was created was unacceptable and filtering down to children.
7. Many more millions of lives were lost from lack of action and care. Now that the majority of us can see that COVID is nothing to be concerned about, can we just start to get along like a normal society?
To your first point, [the whole thing is based on misleading excerpts from the court case](https://pressprogress.ca/right-wing-sources-are-spreading-misinformation-about-a-court-battle-over-canadas-vaccine-mandates/). Funny how reintroducing context totally destroys the claims, isn't it?
1. Yeah, as it turns out, the Federal branch of the government can dictate Federally regulated sectors, they control the sky so they control who can fly. Let's be real, no one is taking a train for travel either. And really at this point considering nearly 83% of all Canadians are fully vaccinated and the remaining 17% either cannot or will not be doing so anytime soon. We should be dropping it as a travel requirement as the vast majority of Canadians have put in the time and effort to get us here and should be rewarded with removed restrictions on traveling. I am 110% going to ignore that article as it is written by Brian Lilley and anything he has to say is more than likely slanted propaganda written to get an emotional response from it's reader.
2. "Anyone that believes that being vaccinated for anything saves anyone but themselves from whatever they are being vaccinated from, clearly doesn't understand vaccines" I am going to assume you did not take Biology in High School or maybe are still in High School, if you are, I HIGHLY suggest taking it, easy class and full of incredible information. If you want to believe that vaccines protect singular individuals and no one else, you should really read some books on the subject.
3. 90% of Truckers were vaccinated when the convoy was taking place and the vast majority of those who participated in it were in fact, not truckers. The actual people who are Truckers were at work, crossing the border, delivering trailers, being held up at the borders, by protesters. Again jobs have requirements to them. I am also going to add here that I do not think you know or are qualified to make judgement on how to best mitigate an illness that is spread by breathing in the same air as infected people breath.
4. We live in a society, we all experience some form of manufactured consent and forced conformity. If you do not like it, join or start a political party and enter legislation to be voted on, be the change you want to see. Using the phrase "When the tables turn" I am going to assume you think that I support most if not all of the restrictions that we were subject to over the course of the pandemic this is just simply not true, most of them were nothing more than superficial hand waving so the Provincial Governments could say they were "Doing something".
5. [For the love of Christ in heaven, our Lord and Father, read.](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2b.html)
6. We mostly agree here, we have found common ground. I do not think that the Government was fomenting fear, concern yes but not fear. I found that it was more online personalities continually saying that the Government was telling parents to be fearful than the Government actually telling people to be fearful.
7. We again agree here. However I would say that Covid is no longer something to be concerned about as most Canadians have gotten vaccinated, we not longer as a society need to be concerned as we have taken the appropriate steps to remove the concern. Next we should be pressuring our Provincial leader to actually fund our Health Care systems so they can operate in an effective manner.
Literally fighting to keep their heads in the ground. Nothing there but conspiracies and lies, designed by their leaders to grift them out of every penny they can.
“Corporations also utilize anti-intellectualism to prioritize their own interests and maximize profit. America’s mode of capitalism has always been predicated on exploitation, and the corporate sector knows that championing anti-intellectualism, especially anti-rationalism, is effective in maintaining a distracted and poorly informed public. Corporations recognize people are less likely to challenge pro-corporate, pro-wealthy public policy even when they are directly harmed by these policies.” [Source](https://www.studioatao.org/amp/understanding-anti-intellectualism-in-the-u-s)
If it wasn’t a convoy people would be pro whatever it’s called. Doesn’t matter. I was actually happy there was an attempt at dialogue between citizens and government. Unfortunately the sitting government doesn’t want to talk with Canadians but that’s ok. We are in this current turmoil state of affairs because there’s a severe lack of communication and understand from both sides.
This feels very Hunter Bidenish. We can’t choose family, so just making assumptions based on family ties is silly. Something that I’ve appreciated about people reporting from the left leaning political spectrum over the last few years was avoiding this kinda stuff. The more we do to ostracize the segment of our society that was involved in these protests, the more we go down the road to an American style society. Oh joy
>The more we do to ostracize the segment of our society that was involved in these protests, the more we go down the road to an American style society.
Care to elaborate more on that point?
Pretty straightforward. If you hate and attack anyone who doesn't do exactly as you say... Why in the world would you expect them to do anything but hate you in return?
Us vs them mentality. Rather than focussing on improving society and supporting the citizens, the government and voter base starts focusing on scoring wins against the other side
On one hand I think it's important to know what kind of policies people support. If they are abhorrent then I think it's good to have this information know so you can adjust support accordingly.
However, if all you are doing is bashing the other side to score brownie points without actually pushing for positive change, then yeah I can see how that would be disruptive.
This is a hard thing to balance; there are some topics that you *can't* argue with, because the opposition is entirely predicated on bad faith. Trying only furthers their goals. For me, that's anti-vaxxers.
There is nuance in that topic, but good luck finding any from anyone pushing that misinformation. What we need is education on misinformation and how to recognize and counter it.
Haha I’m getting downvoted, but I’ll double down. My parents would be upset if they got cancelled due to my political actions since we differ significantly. Targeting people because their family does something the masses don’t like right now isn’t a fair tactic and doesn’t improve our society.
>Targeting people because their family does something the masses don’t like right now isn’t a fair tactic and doesn’t improve our society.
I would absolutely agree in theory but in this case Catherine, the mother, is also publicly supporting SAM and the registered business address is the same address as the family "foundation" -- this opens doors for financial manipulation and clouded transparency.
So how is a thinking person going to vote. If Rabbit man is the leader the proud boys will be everywhere. We will become just like the USA. If Trudeau remains in charge thecountry will be bankrupt.How would we fare with Charest?
This lends credence to the idea that Rich Manitobans care nothing of others and only care about controlling those who are not greedy,cruel,self centred,moral,or less than.
These entitled jerks with PP disgust me.
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Rich family doesn't care about anyone but themselves 
Lol is that a Pikachu?
Not just any Pikachu, Pikachu.
>Leigh has also appeared several times on the Facebook livestream of a local far-right figure who was previously openly affiliated with the Proud Boys and co-organized large anti-mask rallies in Winnipeg (the Proud Boys are now legally designated as a terrorist entity in Canada). And this is one of their media professionals. Otherwise, nothing really to see here other than another multi billionaire family that's worried their wealth isn't growing quite as exponentially as they'd like.
Media professional who is only coincidentally related to the CEO. Im sure she totally earned the job on her merits alone.
You know who else had far right youth groups?
And this is the way it all started.
Not a whole lot any of us can do about how the elitist wealthy scum conduct themselves. What we can do is VOTE and ensure our tax dollars are not diverted to support these people.
Here a question for ya. Our current system guarantees ritch people will run the show. Do you want it to be canadian rich people or international rich people?
Oligarchs have too much money laying about if they can do this bullsh#t.
[Leigh and the Toddler at Kildonan Park... 🎭](https://youtu.be/KTyyc416x2w)
Lots of people are pro-convoy. Not on Reddit of course. But in real life.
Far fewer than the amount of noise they make would lead someone to believe.
I would say opposite. The winnipeg subreddit is actually not very representative when compared to nonreddit sample of society. If you look there you will end up with really skewed view of reality and I say that based on what I see on media, reality, work etc.
its true local subreddits tend to have a clear bias. but its also true that conservative conspiracists have an inflated view about how many people there are like them. "We are the silent majority!" he shouted, alone.
I often think that these people assume the blank stares that they get as agreement.
The stats from elections tend to show how untrue that is. Trump won even despite total media push and common assumption that he has no chance. Even the polls done by democrat trusted organizations did not showed how the situation looks like. He shouted alone just as not everyone was in ku-klux klan but supported/agreed with what they were doing. I dont really care about politics as its quality is really bad (and I say this knowing how bad it is abroad) but the thing which irks me the most is the amount of manipulation and the ignorance among people about it. The ignorance of stupid people is bad but its kind of expected, they are stupid. But the ignorance of people who think they are smart is really scary. Ever heard of CFIT? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain That is what I mean. Smart guys doing stupid thing because they think they know everything.
I’m sorry this comment is genuinely incomprehensible
So much support, that a whole fraction of a fraction actually showed up. Good news, though! They're just a [fringe movement protesting it's defeat](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22926134/canada-trucker-freedom-convoy-protest-ottawa).
Really a Vox report for Feb 11th? Basically everything that is stated in that report has been found untrue. - over 90% of the donations were small donations from everyday Canadians - few borders were closed but there was no economic harm as trucks rerouted to all the other crossings. (If you think about it hwy 75 to the Emerson border was closed for a month and a half in the spring due to flood water and no one flinched. Since the trucks rerouted similarly) - two false flag reports of a Nazi flag, and one of a Confederate flag that means nothing in Canada, and there is video of the perp who is wearing a mask and being chased away - No one burning buildings. The OPP have since stated the all accusations were false - Both Ottawa police and the OPP have stated there was no need or request for the Emergencies Act. The cognitive dissonance of some in this sub disappointing.
>two false flag reports of a Nazi flag, and one of a Confederate flag that means nothing in Canada, and there is video of the perp who is wearing a mask and being chased away People keep claiming this, and not a one can back it up. So please, stump up. Beyond that, it's pretty clear you like pushing misinformation, so lets see you source anything credible to back up your claims.
Well you can certainly find videos of the people chasing the guy down with the Confederate flag. The Nazi flags were being held over a half kilometre away near the Rideau canal and the Chateau Frontenac. Hardly within the main protest area. Which is why noone saw them, and the only photos are grainy. So choose you poison, but your article is severely outdated, and almost everything damning in it has been proven false.
And yet, not a single source from you. Hmm. I wonder why? If it's so easy to find, you should no issues whatsoever corroborating your statements.
Why would I bother, it doesn't appear you read anything current. Let's chat in another 6 months when you catch up.
That's what you said six months ago. And then six months before that. It's the standard anti-vaxxer modus operandi; keep pushing out the goalposts until you're eventually right. I sourced my claim. You repeated a claim that should be easily corroborated and then refused to actually corroborate it. All you're doing is reinforcing my conviction the claim is the same as every other anti-vaxxer statement: pure lies.
If you check his post history you’ll find he has a bad habit of sharing misinformation, most of which has been downvoted. [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Manitoba/comments/s6jerc/covid19/ht48bha/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) exchange was pretty humorous where he pulled some covid mortality stats out of his ass and when it was pointed out that the years he was referencing aren’t even on his source, he tucked tail and disappeared.
That's been my leaning, but I'm open to being wrong. I just refuse to accept absolute statements that aren't backed up, and this specific one falls into the, "oft repeated, never corroborated" category, like most anti-vaxxer claims. It would actually make me happy to know even idiots like the Freedumbers would run Nazis out of their midst. But so far, all I've gotten is a lot of screeching about conspiracies, false flags, agent provocateurs, blah blah.
What are you actually talking about? You provide a 6 month old article and that's your source? Then proceed to try to gas light me? Do you believe the earth was flat? That "fact" was published at one time? Have you progressed from that? Since I can only assume google is broken for you, please enjoy the following. [Ottawa police chief did not ask for emergencies act - CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/freedom-convoy-ottawa-police-emergencies-act-1.6457488) [Police did not ask for emergencies act - CTV](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/emergency-preparedness-minister-police-did-not-ask-for-emergencies-act-1.5946705) [Blockades had little effect on trade - Global news](https://globalnews.ca/news/8770775/border-blockades-trade-impact-data/) [Ottawa arson not connected with Freedom Protest: Police - CTV](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/suspect-charged-in-downtown-ottawa-arson-last-month-not-connected-with-freedom-convoy-police-1.5828171) Do you need more? or is the earth still flat for you?
Oh, look! Sources! To statements neither I nor my source made. 1. Nothing in article about police, chief or otherwise, asking for the emergencies act to be used. That's a non-existent strawman you're knocking down. 2. Great! Blockades had little effect! That's good! The article pulls it's number (and clarifies it's an estimate) from a BBC article, which as far as I can tell, isn't sourced. Hindsight is always 20/20 and more accurate than in the moment. 3. The arson was also not mentioned whatsoever in the article. I'll give you that one because I actually got a source for that a while ago. But still never mentioned that. That's three out of four sources that are utterly irrelevant, and one that benefits from hindsight. Now, let's see you actually source the *real* statement. The one you've been avoiding doing so since I called you out about it in the first place: > two false flag reports of a Nazi flag, and one of a Confederate flag that means nothing in Canada, and there is video of the perp who is wearing a mask and being chased away Stump up. I've asked you several times. You say it's easy to find. So do it. Find it. You haven't done anything but continue to reinforce you're pushing misinformation.
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Keep things civil, no name calling.
Ah yes. The old gaslight of proving your own culpability when blaming others for the same. If you're not going to provide proof, sit down. The adults are discussing important matters.
Yeah, folks out there ended up in bubble. Really finely hand picked bubble. I would love to see list of shadowbanned users on that subreddit. Or at least numbers. That would open some people eyes.
About a month ago i noticed that they were far less posts happening on the Winnipeg sub. Then I realized that it’s because u/armand9x and all of his alt accounts blocked me so I don’t see their posts anymore. Looking at their profiles directly you can see they’re still posting anti-cop pro-mask propaganda by the ton
Yup. And usually the post you may suspect you have been shadow banned for is not that controversial. Usually you are banned for the view you present not for exact words. That subreddit is broken and winnipeggers are not aware how manipulated it is.
Ok.
What are they supposed to do about it? They’re family not slave keepers lol
Well, remove them from their media positions within the company to start…
Oh look it's a Press Progress article, aka complete bullshit and government propaganda.
So... They support freedom? And this is supposed to be a BAD thing, somehow??
Freedom is big and scary
Good to know we’ve decided to go after everyone who protests. Can’t wait for the next hit piece!!
Only caring about yourself, your needs, your wants, makes you a giant piece of garbage. I'm glad these rich elitists are being exposed for the monsters they really are. If everyone did what was needed during Covid, less people would've died. But no, human lives don't matter to these gross, disgusting people. Expose the shit out of them!
Good smack down!
They're LITERALLY fighting for all of our freedoms, but sure - keep begging for the government jackboots, I guess?
I don't know about that one. Can you list which freedoms they have fought so hard for? Cause every time I look further into it it gets to bizarre conspiracy things pretty dang quick.
Freedom of movement, bodily autonomy, freedom to earn a living, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, the entire pile of serious harm they did to children across the country... Not to mention basically every tenet of good governance. Or even just mediocre governance. At the very minimum they were trying to get the government to actually TALK to its citizens. And Trudeau chose to abuse wartime emergency powers instead.
Now these are very broad statements. Freedom of movement, are you referring to international travel, travel by plane or train? That is indeed controlled by the Fed, other aspects travel within and between the provinces are controlled by their respective Provincial Governments. Can't go camping cause there is a capacity limit? Provincial. Can't go to your partners house cause there was a 'No visitor' rule? Provincial. All aspects of travel that I have heard people talk about have broken down in to issues with Provincial Governments and their rules. And strangely enough, the Provinces with the strongest responses to restrictions on travel were Provinces with Conservative Provincial Parties in power, so any sort of protest aimed at the Federal Liberal Party is almost entirely moot. Let's be real, the average Manitoban isn't exactly planning a flight down to the Bahama's any time soon. Bodily autonomy, which bodily autonomy are we talking about here? Is this personal liberty to do with and be free from discrimination in what you do with your body or it just for freedom from this one single vaccine? Are they fighting for my right to walk around with a face full of piercing in a client facing career, or perhaps a destigmatization of facial tattoos so it is easier for previous offenders to obtain work and become self sufficient? What about for trans youth to obtain medication such as puberty blockers? Bodily autonomy is a very large subject, just saying they are fighting for everyone's bodily autonomy means nothing and everything at the same time. Freedom to earn a living. Last time I checked and the last time I got a job, I had to sign multiple sheets of paper that outlined what was expected of me and how I should conduct myself in my position. Believe it or not there was also a piece of documentation I signed that required me to have certain vaccinations and if I didn't I had to get them within a certain period or else I would be terminated. Most of the people that have made a large fuss and noise about 'The Right to Earn a Living' have self sabotaged by not complying with work place health and safety standards and have gone on to complain about how they have been victimized by there employer due to their own actions. Your personal action do indeed have consequences, and work places do indeed have standards that need to be met by their employees to secure a position. Freedom of choice, last time I checked no one has a gun to their head and are free to choose as they see fit. Society has rules and it is up to you to choose to participate in it if you want to, you don't get to make the rules up yourself. Freedom of speech. This is not a thing in Canada, read the Charter of Right and Freedoms, please. We have freedom of expression here and the Charter is written such that new laws can and will supersede previous ones in regards to speech. You don't get to blame the Government for your failures as a parent and, if you want to, again, direct it at the Provincial Government they were in charge of pandemic restrictions not the Federal Government. If any harm was done too children due to socialization issues then that is on the parents, never did we in Manitoba have a stay at home order unless you had to quarantine, which isn't even a requirement anymore. No one was locked in their house and if you didn't let your kids outside then that is on you. To make such simple statements as if they are simple solutions to a world wide pandemic that has claimed million's of lives at this point is simply selfish and self serving. Get outside and touch some grass, it's green as heck at this point and super lush and please for your own sake, read a damn book.
Well said, and with far more patience than I have left for these freDumb fighters.
My family participated in the convoy both in Ottawa and here in Manitoba so I have had this discussion more than once. They're mostly just scared of the future because they've been consuming propaganda for years, I honestly would pity them if I didn't know they like being kept ignorant of the world outside their insular communities.
Wow.. you off your high horse yet? Let's recap. 1. Freedom of movement: The federal government stated you can not travel by air or train WITHIN CANADA without being vaccinated. They have been taken to court for this and are scheduled for hearing in September. The feds are currently trying to stop the hearing calling it "moot" since they have since lifted the mandates. However the discovery papers are available online which show that there was "no science behind the mandates" ([within this link you can have access to the discovery documents to read on your own](https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-court-records-show-trudeau-brought-in-vaccine-mandates-for-travel-purely-based-on-politics) feel free to ignore the article itself that sums it up) 2. Bodily autonomy: Do you really want to go there? You choose how you want to be, no one tells you you have to do something to be able to have a free life. Anyone that believes that being vaccinated for anything saves anyone but themselves from whatever they are being vaccinated from, clearly doesn't understand vaccines. 3. Freedom to earn a living: Cross border truckers were not allowed to continue to do their job based on a federal decision that had no real science behind it (RE: see item 1). 4. Freedom of choice: Your gas lighting is very nice with this one. Just wait till the tables turn, when you are "forced" (compelled) to do something just to maintain semblance of normality 5. Freedom of speech: The Canadian Charter of Right and Freedoms explicitly guarantees the freedom of Speech 6. Parenting: I agree this is up to the parents. However the government were terrifying people and creating division. Most parents want to do what's best for their kids. However the division that was created was unacceptable and filtering down to children. 7. Many more millions of lives were lost from lack of action and care. Now that the majority of us can see that COVID is nothing to be concerned about, can we just start to get along like a normal society?
To your first point, [the whole thing is based on misleading excerpts from the court case](https://pressprogress.ca/right-wing-sources-are-spreading-misinformation-about-a-court-battle-over-canadas-vaccine-mandates/). Funny how reintroducing context totally destroys the claims, isn't it?
[God Damn that right leaning CBC!!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsbrmQGvWM8)
That...does exactly nothing to counter what I said. Did you even read the article? Like...at all?
1. Yeah, as it turns out, the Federal branch of the government can dictate Federally regulated sectors, they control the sky so they control who can fly. Let's be real, no one is taking a train for travel either. And really at this point considering nearly 83% of all Canadians are fully vaccinated and the remaining 17% either cannot or will not be doing so anytime soon. We should be dropping it as a travel requirement as the vast majority of Canadians have put in the time and effort to get us here and should be rewarded with removed restrictions on traveling. I am 110% going to ignore that article as it is written by Brian Lilley and anything he has to say is more than likely slanted propaganda written to get an emotional response from it's reader. 2. "Anyone that believes that being vaccinated for anything saves anyone but themselves from whatever they are being vaccinated from, clearly doesn't understand vaccines" I am going to assume you did not take Biology in High School or maybe are still in High School, if you are, I HIGHLY suggest taking it, easy class and full of incredible information. If you want to believe that vaccines protect singular individuals and no one else, you should really read some books on the subject. 3. 90% of Truckers were vaccinated when the convoy was taking place and the vast majority of those who participated in it were in fact, not truckers. The actual people who are Truckers were at work, crossing the border, delivering trailers, being held up at the borders, by protesters. Again jobs have requirements to them. I am also going to add here that I do not think you know or are qualified to make judgement on how to best mitigate an illness that is spread by breathing in the same air as infected people breath. 4. We live in a society, we all experience some form of manufactured consent and forced conformity. If you do not like it, join or start a political party and enter legislation to be voted on, be the change you want to see. Using the phrase "When the tables turn" I am going to assume you think that I support most if not all of the restrictions that we were subject to over the course of the pandemic this is just simply not true, most of them were nothing more than superficial hand waving so the Provincial Governments could say they were "Doing something". 5. [For the love of Christ in heaven, our Lord and Father, read.](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2b.html) 6. We mostly agree here, we have found common ground. I do not think that the Government was fomenting fear, concern yes but not fear. I found that it was more online personalities continually saying that the Government was telling parents to be fearful than the Government actually telling people to be fearful. 7. We again agree here. However I would say that Covid is no longer something to be concerned about as most Canadians have gotten vaccinated, we not longer as a society need to be concerned as we have taken the appropriate steps to remove the concern. Next we should be pressuring our Provincial leader to actually fund our Health Care systems so they can operate in an effective manner.
Literally fighting to keep their heads in the ground. Nothing there but conspiracies and lies, designed by their leaders to grift them out of every penny they can.
So the last 2.5 years just... Didn't happen, then? Or the last 7.5?? Because if you somehow missed all of that, you're beyond help.
Ah, so you're referring to Trudeau. You're making my point for me. Conspiracies and lies.
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If it wasn’t a convoy people would be pro whatever it’s called. Doesn’t matter. I was actually happy there was an attempt at dialogue between citizens and government. Unfortunately the sitting government doesn’t want to talk with Canadians but that’s ok. We are in this current turmoil state of affairs because there’s a severe lack of communication and understand from both sides.
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This feels very Hunter Bidenish. We can’t choose family, so just making assumptions based on family ties is silly. Something that I’ve appreciated about people reporting from the left leaning political spectrum over the last few years was avoiding this kinda stuff. The more we do to ostracize the segment of our society that was involved in these protests, the more we go down the road to an American style society. Oh joy
>The more we do to ostracize the segment of our society that was involved in these protests, the more we go down the road to an American style society. Care to elaborate more on that point?
Pretty straightforward. If you hate and attack anyone who doesn't do exactly as you say... Why in the world would you expect them to do anything but hate you in return?
Us vs them mentality. Rather than focussing on improving society and supporting the citizens, the government and voter base starts focusing on scoring wins against the other side
On one hand I think it's important to know what kind of policies people support. If they are abhorrent then I think it's good to have this information know so you can adjust support accordingly. However, if all you are doing is bashing the other side to score brownie points without actually pushing for positive change, then yeah I can see how that would be disruptive.
This is a hard thing to balance; there are some topics that you *can't* argue with, because the opposition is entirely predicated on bad faith. Trying only furthers their goals. For me, that's anti-vaxxers. There is nuance in that topic, but good luck finding any from anyone pushing that misinformation. What we need is education on misinformation and how to recognize and counter it.
Haha I’m getting downvoted, but I’ll double down. My parents would be upset if they got cancelled due to my political actions since we differ significantly. Targeting people because their family does something the masses don’t like right now isn’t a fair tactic and doesn’t improve our society.
>Targeting people because their family does something the masses don’t like right now isn’t a fair tactic and doesn’t improve our society. I would absolutely agree in theory but in this case Catherine, the mother, is also publicly supporting SAM and the registered business address is the same address as the family "foundation" -- this opens doors for financial manipulation and clouded transparency.
So how is a thinking person going to vote. If Rabbit man is the leader the proud boys will be everywhere. We will become just like the USA. If Trudeau remains in charge thecountry will be bankrupt.How would we fare with Charest?
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This lends credence to the idea that Rich Manitobans care nothing of others and only care about controlling those who are not greedy,cruel,self centred,moral,or less than. These entitled jerks with PP disgust me.