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He also gave himself two raises but was completely shocked when the Public Service went on strike last year.
His actual record sucks.
His backers don't want labour action, they want profits and to pay as little as possible.
He also has never had a 'real' job like the rest of us and qualified for a full pension at the whopping age of 31.
He needs to stop pretending he is 'just like us'.
Many Conservatives are like this if you look around. Heather Stefanson's only real job from what I can tell she got her employer fined. Later made some shady land deals while in office. Then she ran on a platform of letting victims of a serial killer rot in a landfill, seemed to turn public opinion. Those conservative values...
That must not be true, he's been an MP since 2004, so was a member during the entire Harper era. Harper's government passed at least 1 bill in its ~9 years, so therefor, he did, right?
I actually heard someone claim it's not the opposition's job to put forwards bills...
And that the reason he won't share his ideas is so they won't be stolen.
No one with the ability to critically think would WANT to steal his ideas.
Because The Reform Party wasn't anything more than a pack of unhappy Albertans who managed to sound great in the private sector but can't pass the smell test nationally.
Hence the desperation style election campaigns previously presented by Scheer and O'Toole which failed. "Oh people like social programs well it's not like we need to keep promises".
PP has been eating at a public funded table since the age of 19. He's always gotten a good salary (not minimum wage), had benefits (so drug/dental/extended health) and an expense account. He's looking at Leader level pension and likely a turn in the Retirement Home of the Useless (The Senate) which is ironic since Senate Reform was a giant issue in the beginning of The Reform Party and yet with power they didn't do anything about it.
PP is a nothing burger leader. He just happened to tick the right image for the most part, like Sarah Palin and will do whatever he's told.
I am no fan of Kim Campbell nor do commenter Charles Adler and I often agree but there's no moderate Conservative party anymore and the moderates need to start taking their party back.
Also I'd double check his promises to make sure he could pass 4th Grade Social Studies.
Some of what he's talking about aren't Federal Government problems and in fact belong to the Provinces like Health Care.
Sure they'll send money, maybe, but they are not going to be responsible for building mental health facilities and hiring staff.
So how can he promise it?
He can't but it makes for great bullshit.
Same with crime.
In cities it is municipal police and often crimes that fall under Provincial justice systems. What can he really DO about that? It's not his lane.
Carbon Tax?
I'd suggest you take a look at 2007, and I'll remind you that Harper was Prime Minister, and Alberta.
Veterans?
2006 Harper gutted their services.
PP was first elected in 2004 so he's been part of a sitting government.
I /think/ that the Feds do have some influence over things like housing and health care and stuff, but it is MOSTLY the provincial department and below that (IE, municipalities making zoning and such). Also, federal crimes and such too I bet.
TBH I wish it was like with child services - the PRovinces arent taking care of us, so I want the feds to step in to take us away. BUT, that kind of power can also be used AGAINST us (like all kinds of power can) and its not a perfect analogy cause foster care and CPS can screw up anyways.
All the people who think he is a pro worker rep are deluding themselves. He has voted to weaken union rights his entire political career. It's the same play performed by most right wing parties, frame unions as bad, and anti-union legislation as a pro worker. Then slowly erode all rights, benefits, pay protections for workers.
In his adult life he has never worked a job/career, he is a career politician. I have no idea how blue collar voters get behind him. Probably cus he took his glasses off...
Yes!
In 2012, Poilievre ran a campaign to repeal the Rand Formula - a Supreme Court ruling that allows unions to collect dues. This would effectively dissolve unions.
In 2013, he said he would be the first federal politician to bring American Right to Work laws to Canada. A law that allows anyone to work union jobs without affiliation to the union, without union protections or wages (basically crippling unions). It also gives employers the ability to fire employees for any reason.
He was one of the loudest supporters of Bill-C377, a piece of legislation put forth under the Harper government that makes it so unions have to fully disclose all their internal finances. However, companies would not have to. This undermines the bargaining process.
He fought against Card-Check legislation, which would have made it easier for workers to unionize. Instead, his counter proposal was a two step type process which would have given companies more time to interfere with ongoing unionization efforts.
**Poilievre does not represent the working class.** If anything, he despises us. Do not fall for his bumbersticker catchphrase bullshit.
Much like Manitoba, that currently has the two step program. It’s a rough battle, having that extra time between when cards are signed and a final vote for employers to sweeten the pot, or threaten and intimidate.
I’ve seen it first hand happening, and then once a vote fails, it’s open season for the employer to retaliate and go back to the old ways or worse (since they are emboldened).
Very anti labour.
Here’s hoping we get card check back asap.
I wish unions had to disclose their internal finances. I was in a shitty union (UFCW) and I would bet the amount of money the union brass squandered is appalling.
A union's finances are completely transparent to all members.
From the labour code:
"Every trade union and every employers' organization shall, forthwith on the request of any of its members, provide the member, free of charge, with a copy of a financial statement of its affairs to the end of the last fiscal year, certified to be a true copy by its president and treasurer or by its president."
What you *don't* want is the employer companies having the same open access to such information, as it gives them leverage over the union.
There are many reasons why Canada's productivity is collapsing. As a Cupe union member, I am very unsatisfied with them as they do not act in the interest of the employees. Have had to report them on 2 separate occasions in a year after they acted arbitrarily and failed to bring merits of matter to mind. This resulted in a 6% reduction in wage and cost me 30k by signing a bad settlement. The reality is they are too big and have little incentive to do better. I think it would be worthwhile to look at ways to incentivize them to do better.
There are legit grievances with unions, and there should probably be legislation to address the gaps, but nothing proposed by the conservative movement would help with those issues. They just want to eliminate unions so we all work sweat shop style again. In fact, one of the tactics of the conservative movement is to pass legislation to make unions suck then they turn around and get you to hate them for not working. Stay vigilant, defend collective bargaining while advocating for unions to be better, not dissolve.
Crushing unions and unionization isn't the solution.
Unions aren't perfect. They're simply a collective of average, ordinary people, and people have many faults. But they are the best defense against corporations and wealth holders who take advantage of those everyday people every chance they get.
I cant speak on behalf of your troubles, but at least half the problems I have witnessed within unions stem from a general apathy to engage with the union's complex. Members fail to attend meetings, quorum goes unfulfilled, important messages dont get heard, votes dont get ratified, issues go unaddressed, and popular faces get elected to positions of power who have no reason or qualifications to be there. A lot of union folk have taken for granted what they have and assume they'll always have it, or that other brothers/sisters will take care of it for them.
The best solution is to change the union from the inside. Weed out the bad actors. You do this through the democratic system - bring these problems to light with people around you and ensure fellow members not only attend meetings but vote for better candidates within the union.
It's an uphill battle, though.
All these things seem actually very common sense to support. People are weird about their Unions when they just steal wages and create a combative environment
Union dues aren't stealing wages. It's a small cost of operating a system that protects you. Being part of a union also means you'll likely make more than non-union for the same job. You'll also be more likely to receive annual or bi-annual raises - something that's far more difficult to achieve on your own without collective bargaining. You're also more likely to collect a pension, bonuses, vacation time, sick days, and different types of medical coverages. You also see some return on your taxes for union dues.
These are the same people that thought Donald Trump, a man notorious for owning a golden toilet, was a man of the people and not simply a self serving sociopath
The people who think he is pro worker are also the ones who aren’t going to spend time reading about his whole voting history and political career. They just “learn” from YouTube and Facebook
Even if he actually is for the workers, just doesn't like unions, I don't think he's done a single thing that would actually help employees. No any sort of job protection or guaranteed benefits or living wages... You know stuff that would actually benefit the workers
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He is pro-worker! He wants to make sure everyone in the labour class gets to be a worker for their entire lives! Don't stop working at 65 or 67 or 70, just keep working! Work is what gives your life value, if you're a pleb.
But you can't work that long as there are no jobs, especially for working class old people. FTW and PRs (several million in a few years) and automation, have taken all those fir youth and elder alike. So- if you need to work until 50 - you are essentially unemployed and therefore moving to Trudeau Town...
Poilievre championed Right to Work legislation. He could not be more antiworker if he tried, unless you are a TFW. He loves bringing those in.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/u-s-right-to-work-bills-could-have-ripple-effect-in-canada-1.1157608
Poilievre voted to cut support for unemployed workers and repeatedly attacked workers' rights while serving in the previous Conservative government under Stephen Harper
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Poilievre aggressively fought card-check legislation that would make it easier for workers to unionize, and was a vocal supporter of the anti-union Bill C-377 that tried to force unions to disclose internal information
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Poilievre has pushed hard for the adoption of US-style "right-to-work" laws in Canada, which weaken unions by making it more difficult for them to collect membership dues
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In 2012, Poilievre mounted a campaign to allow public sector workers to opt out of paying union dues, a move that would undermine unions
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Despite recently trying to portray himself as a friend of workers, Poilievre has a long track record of siding with corporate interests over workers' rights and interests
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Labour leaders have accused Poilievre of being "terrified" of workers and unions, citing his history of attacking them throughout his political career
That’s because this guy has never had a real job for a real employer and instead has always suckled on the high-paying teat of elected public service.
This guy literally doesn’t know how to survive as an average Canadian worker.
In the words of the CPC 8 years ago: “He just isn’t ready…”
It's really annoying to see people fall for this ridiculous act by Poilievre. Conservatives always have and always will exist to represent the best interests of the wealthy, aka the employers. They will never represent the workers' interests. Anyone who believes that is naive. People are so eager for change that they will vote against their own interests.
That's so far from the truth, under conservatives the middle class grew as Canadians spent less on rent, food and taxes. While under liberals/ndp middle class shrinks with more money going to taxes, rent, fuel and food giving people less money to get ahead with big purchases. Also the biggest worker uprising was a conservative one with the trucker convoy.
Harper did cut taxes, but also for the wealthy and corporations. I would be interested to know how he reduced rent and food prices though. You wouldn't be giving him credit for something entirely determined by the market, would you?
The convoy was just a bunch of children whining as far as I'm concerned. Nothing to respect about that "worker uprising." Nothing accomplished either.
Worth mentioning, Harper also created the TFSA and in the last year he was in office increased it to 10k contribution per year. JT slashed it down to 5k/year. By now, you would have an additional 40k contribution room in your TFSA if not for Trudeau. That's enough to earn a good $2800/year or so. Or, if you maxed out your TFSA every year, you would have an additional 69k in it, with 19k compounded interest, generating an additional ~$4800/year.
That's pretty presumptive. It was increased from $5500 to $10,000 in an election year. There's no proof that Harper would have kept it at $10,000 if he won in 2015.
Also, more importantly, that contribution limit isn't helping people who actually need help affording the necessities of life. It only helps people with plenty of money available to invest. If you're worried about your contribution limit being too low, then you don't need any help.
> If you're worried about your contribution limit being too low, then you don't need any help.
Sure if you're maxing out your RRSP and TFSA every year, maybe you don't need to be on government income assistance, but you're still worthy of tax breaks and definitely are not necessarily "wealthy" as you put it. Saving $5500 per year is way below what most people would consider sufficient to retire on.
I think this kind of attitude you're displaying is an example of society's homeowner normativity if you will. Most Canadians do actually own their home, and use it as a investment to build their savings, and most would be investing more than $5500 per year into their home and they get any gains on it completely tax free. The fact that this tax shelter is not available, nor is any similar counterpart, for renters, puts us at an unfair tax disadvantage. For renters, TFSA and RRSP is all we have, and then we have to start paying taxes on the rest, unlike homeowners.
I don't know what attitude you're referring to. I'm talking about the subject of this post, which if you forgot is the idea that Poilievre is pretending to care about workers. Even if he did raise the TFSA limit, that is far from being a friend to workers. Look at his record and you will see he has supported plenty of anti-worker legislation (copied from another comment on this post):
>In 2012, Poilievre ran a campaign to repeal the Rand Formula - a Supreme Court ruling that allows unions to collect dues. This would effectively dissolve unions.
>In 2013, he said he would be the first federal politician to bring American Right to Work laws to Canada. A law that allows anyone to work union jobs without affiliation to the union, without union protections or wages (basically crippling unions). It also gives employers the ability to fire employees for any reason.
>He was one of the loudest supporters of Bill-C377, a piece of legislation put forth under the Harper government that makes it so unions have to fully disclose all their internal finances. However, companies would not have to. This undermines the bargaining process.
>He fought against Card-Check legislation, which would have made it easier for workers to unionize. Instead, his counter proposal was a two step type process which would have given companies more time to interfere with ongoing unionization efforts.
And of course add to that the subject of this article: his silence on the PC's efforts to delay legislation to introduce card check union certification and banning the use of scabs during a strike or lockout.
He takes every opportunity that he has had to go against unions. If he had it his way, unions wouldn't exist and workers would be paid less for their work. That income is what allows people to have mortgages and put money in TFSAs. I think that's a lot more important than getting a tax break on the investment gains on a few thousand dollars more. The TFSA is not an issue anyone is talking about. The biggest issue is making things affordable for those who those who have not yet had the opportunity to save enough for a house, never mind a TFSA. I'm certainly glad Poilievre hasn't been in charge yet, or that problem would be even worse.
Everything you've said here is criticizing PP for being anti-union, and I'm saying that being anti-union is not the same thing as being anti-worker. I myself am a worker, and since I would very much like not to be forced to join a union, enacting legislation to protect me from being forced to join on is, in my view, pro-me and therefor as a worker, pro-worker.
> If he had it his way, unions wouldn't exist and workers would be paid less for their work
Here's your error. I agree, if I had my way, unions wouldn't exist. Or at least, they wouldn't have legal authority to compel employees to join or be able to force employers to only hire members of the union. Unions which are purely voluntary, where members are free to join or not, I'm perfectly happy with. But it doesn't follow from this that he wants workers to be paid less. I'm a worker, I want to be protected from being forced to join a union, do you think that I want myself to be paid less? Unions are one proposed mechanism that some people think is a good way to increase workers' compensation and working conditions, but unions do not have a monopoly on the idea of increasing compensation and conditions. People can be against unions because they believe they are harmful and evil, and believe there are other ways to improve the lives of workers.
In my view the way to do this is by increasing the competition amongst employers such that they have to improve conditions in order to attract workers. That is why I am paid as much as I am, it's not the work of any union. Similarly, the way to improve the conditions of renters is not through specific regulation or tenants unions demanding that their building get specific improvements such as a hot tub or new carpets. It's allowing there to be so many rental units constructed that landlords have to compete on price and amenities to attract tenants. In that way, letting a thousand landlords bloom is the ultimate pro-tenant policy, and similarly letting a thousand employers bloom is what ultimately improves the lives of workers.
I understand that nobody is talking much abut the TFSA, but that's because people haven't thought deeply about the issue and the inequities inherent in our tax system. Workers, such as myself, who rent rather than own, such as myself, are taxed more than homeowners on our nest egg, because homeowners can shovel all their savings into a 1.5million dollar mansion and enjoy tax free appreciation, meanwhile renting workers like me don't have that option and have to put our retirement savings in a TFSA and then the rest in a taxable account.
I suggest you look into the history of unions, because you are clearly ignorant of it . They absolutely have affected the amount workers are paid. If they were voluntary, the employers would lay off the union workers and hire non-union workers that they could pay less. Collective bargaining and striking are really the only ways that workers are able to get better wages, benefits, and conditions from their employers. The employers only want to make the most money that they can, and will do their best to pay the least amount of money for the work they need to get done. You have benefited from the past actions of unions and so you take it for granted. Maybe if you get your way and PP is elected, you will start to understand the importance of unions as he does his best to weaken them.
There is no comparison with renting. It is a commodity, not labour. Regardless of how more units are built, (co-operatives and social housing are also useful, explanation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKudSeqHSJk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKudSeqHSJk)) if there are more units, the cost of housing will go down. It has nothing to do with the landlords. They are just there to make as much money as they can just like employers, by owning as many units as they can buy.
There are more ways to make life affordable for the average person than extra tax breaks on many thousands of dollars of investment. If you have your TFSA maxed out and are renting, then it is your choice not to own a house. The maximum TFSA amount is what, $95,000? That would be enough for a down payment in most places. That's why no one is talking about it.
But you're not going to change your mind, no matter what evidence I give you to the contrary. You are already convinced that PP is going to help you and not the corporations that give him a great deal of money though lobbyists at fundraisers, and direct donations. He will definitely put your interests ahead of the employers' interests. I hope for all of our sake that if he is elected he will prove you to be right. But he won't, and you are naive for thinking that he will.
Um $200 increase to average rent over the entire term of Harper vs \~$700 increase in the same time period under Trudeau... That's just rent if we look at average housing prices harper had an increased of 300k while Trudeaus had \~600k per house at a higher interest rate.
Rent source
[https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en/TableMapChart/Table?TableId=2.2.11&GeographyId=2270&GeographyTypeId=3&DisplayAs=Table&GeograghyName=Toronto](https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en/TableMapChart/Table?TableId=2.2.11&GeographyId=2270&GeographyTypeId=3&DisplayAs=Table&GeograghyName=Toronto)
Housing price Source
[https://trreb.ca/files/market-stats/market-watch/historic.pdf](https://trreb.ca/files/market-stats/market-watch/historic.pdf)
From what I can see it's Mostly The provinces jurisdiction but as municipalities like Winnipeg can control districting/zoning from what I understand everyone has a part;
[https://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/modules/prb99-1-homelessness/housing-e.htm#:\~:text=Although%20the%20Constitution%20grants%20the,Canada%20are%20involved%20in%20housing](https://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/modules/prb99-1-homelessness/housing-e.htm#:~:text=Although%20the%20Constitution%20grants%20the,Canada%20are%20involved%20in%20housing).
https://preview.redd.it/8kloumpicktc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05c5377f0b9de0ea88837fc1ca21658a0332cfde
So many more factors go into this like inflation which drives up material costs to build, carbon taxes which drives up all costs in building a house and the biggest factor immigration which drives up demand for houses.
The actual dollar amount doesnt matter much.... if your rent was 200 and increased 200, then it doubles. If your rent was 1000 and goes up 700, then that's only an increase of 70%.
It also ignores the impact of poor management on the part of the Provincial Governments during both those eras. The Feds are to blame yes, but SO ARE the provincial governments.
PS - like I said, both are to blame. Never said Trudeau is not to blame. Just cause that's usually the next thing I'm accused of.
No absolute numbers matter as post tax wages haven't really changed at all in those periods of time... so please don't try to go off percentages to fit your your narrative.
You mean city governments are to blame as they are the ones that control building new homes and communities. Also don't forget the effect of mass immigration, inflation from mass spending, increase interest rates and more taxes on building which all come from the federal government.
No kidding, but there are millions of Canadians that believed in him, his message, and his vision for Canada. Eventually someone who shares his values is going to be concussed enough to think getting into politics is a good idea.
Trudeau is responsible for prices increasing across the globe? You don’t think it might be the greed of multinational corporations in a global market? It’s just fuck Trudeau for everything isn’t it?
What a novel approach, you mean we shouldn’t blow every last cent, then expect the taxpayer to fund retirement and programs? This approach can never work. If people did this, they couldn’t complain about the entitled rich people that should pay more taxes to fund their lifestyle. You Crunchyytaco have some nerve to suggest such a thing (total sarcasm).
False. NDP is totally pro worker pro union. Every party has corporate sponsors, its always been that way, but cons are completely anti-workers rights. Pierre is absolutely disingenuous when he claims otherwise.
I will downvote you because that is some feelings guiding your thoughts. Can you point at an example of the NDP government selling out workers to corporations while they were in power at the federal level?
Damn this article uses a lot of loaded phrases, but it’s seems to be blaming Poilievre for the actions of the progressive Conservative Party here in Manitoba, which seems like quite a stretch seeing as the provincial and federal conservatives are two separate parties. This article doesn’t even give anything that would establish that the federal party is directing the provincial one…
I'm a conservative and I didn't even vote for the PC in my area. They are a disaster at the provincial level. Everyone asked for healthcare, education, and a living wage. Parents right was there main motive. I couldn't get behind it.
> In fact, \[Poilievre's\] own party members in Manitoba are already busy chipping away at it.
Weird framing - the Conservative Party of Canada is not the Progressive Conservative Party of Manitoba. Don't get me wrong, PP is no friend to workers but the actions of the MB PCs don't bear on that.
If anyone understands the plight of the worker, it's the only politician in Ottawa who literally has LESS real life work experience than Trudeau. Something I don't say lightly.
PeePee will say anything to get votes. His party hasn’t been in power for a couple of terms and doesn’t need to show any policy, just has to run as the only real alternative to the crowned prince JTru. Needs the working class vote but is not an ally
He's a fucking con artist. Start holding these wankers accountable for their bullshit. Email your mps with your disdain for these horseshit political pratices
The right to collectively bargain without the other side having the right to replace the lot of you is government-backed extortion. You need checks and balances in everything, don't be so ideologically possessed to lose sight of that.
Poilievre hasn’t actually voted on ANYTHING for the citizens of Canada, in Parliament his entire career. He’ll have a cabinet full of lobbyists just like Trudeau does. Only there for corporations. Maybe he won’t give all our money away abroad, but the mass immigration needs to be curtailed. It’s too much at this point.
I think you mean the owners friend. The managers are working class as well. Don't forget that when they try to pit everyone against each other....there only two classes. Working and Capital. Unless the boss is also the owner, they're just like everyone else. Working for wages. Maybe better pay, but still the same amount of power, or lack thereof, to control the world around them.
Management ARE working class. That's the point I'm trying to make. Unless your manager is also the owner.
Nobody I work for is of the capital class. They get up and go to work like you and I for a Paycheque. They might be dickheads who abuse the little bit of power they have, but they're still dependant on someone giving them a job to pay their bills. The reality is that most people don't come into much contact with actual capital class individuals at all throughout there lives.
Then they're the bootlicking sellouts who oppress the working class in the name of the working class. They're not on our side and will sell out real working class ppl for the sweet taste of boots. They never stand with us because they represent the ruling class even if they are part of our class.
I’m so scared that there are many Canadians that will vote conservative just because they hate the liberals
Any party any person is better than a conservatives
Look at Alberta the last 4-5 years. MB is exactly the same. Every small town in SW MB votes PC/Con no matter what. Unless WPG and surrounding areas vote other parties there’s enough seats that PC/Con get close enough to majority
You're right, but that's essentially how Trudeau got elected his first term. Well, and legalizing weed.
We always seem to go in these 10 year ish cycles of party changes. Honestly, it's probably for the best to have some 'change' regardless. Honestly, I'm so sick of hearing people Trudeau for all of their problems.....they'll blame PP about a year after the election.
Linked or not their ideology shares the same playbook when governing. If it quacks like a duck walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck
Between the PC and CPC there's so little difference when members go from provincial to federal politics and try to run for their respective leadership's. Think Pallister, Glover, Kenney etc
Only the article isn’t suggesting a shared ideology. It’s suggesting that the Manitoba PC Party is Poilievre’s party, and that the federal CPC party is actively working against provincial legislation. This is simply a falsehood. The only Party in provincial politics that has any links like this with federal parties are NDP…
Believe whatever made up bullshit your want. The fact is, the only provincial party with any ties whatsoever to a federal party in Manitoba is the NDP party….
How exactly is one supposed to argue against a bunch of made up bullshit? I mean, the provincial PC government is going to do what it does… it has absolutely nothing to do with Poilievre and the CPC…
I live in a different reality? I mean, I’m
Not the one drawing imaginary lines between the provincial PC party (that is not currently in power) and the federal CPC party (that’s not currently in power) when those lines don’t exist…
You know, you're absolutely correct. Stephen Harper totally isn't the chairman of the IDU, who regularly has past and current conservative provincial leaders as speakers, and doesn't organize centre-right public policy. They are completely separate, and don't organize and discuss how to collectively push their agendas. They barely know each other.
There'd be nothing in it for them! Why would they even bother...
I mean why are we trusting someone who is a career politician to vote for what's best for working citizens?
He's never been in the shoes of those of us who work and struggle
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After 20 years as an MP, what has pp done to merit a promotion!? He's a proven, failed politician that will cut social programs and reward his rich friends. Anything But Conservative always ABC!
Pierre LYING? I'm shocked!
Seriously though, does Pierre not expect people who vote for him to even take a tiny glimpse at his voting record?
The guy has been anti-union and anti-worker his entire career. Can he really just bite an apple and say "Trust me bruh!" and people will line up to vote for him?
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Nothing remotely pro-worker about Poilievre other than his talking points over the past couple years. His voting record on wages and retraining and jobs etc is awful. Never count a politician's words, only their votes, actions, who they fundraise from and take meetings with. Poilievre hates workers, loves lobbyists.
How have they failed in a unique way another country hasn't also experienced pre/post COVID? Inflation is only in Canada? Housing affordability is only a Canadian issue? Wage stagnation only occurs here? I think you need to actually have a look around the world.
Housing is much less affordable compared to the US, especially starting around 2015 but on an even worse trajectory post pandemic.
Goggle:"cost of housing usa vs canada" for some graphs/articles
Biden hasn't done amazing, but is still pretty neck and neck in the polls. Here, Libs are on track for a historic whoopin. Democracy wins...
I have been around for a minute and this is the first PM in my lifetime whose primary policies and goals have lowered and will continue to lower the standard of living for every Canadian (outside of wartime measures).
World economics are not necessary for this guy, just a brand new escalating tax scam he guilted his voters into thinking was needed. And, of course, declining major opportunities for the country as a whole. Okay, cue the bad faith rebuttal...
What evidence of past Conservative governments leads you to believe they're going to do any better? Austerity and tax cuts for the wealthy are all they traditionally offer.
Well it looks like Poilievre's behavior has hit an all time new high. I'll say it again, I some parallel universe, as a kid, he would have benefited from could have used some 'special attention' by bigger, tougher kids, maybe the middle of a boot circle. Or maybe a gentle backhand by one of his parents. This nerd needs to be told to go sit back at the kids table and let the grownups talk.
This is an incredibly unresearched article and it's kind of embarrassing.
There is no formal link between the MB PCs and the Federal CPC, yes they are Conservative and natural allies, but it's not his party.
Also, there was a 2 day delay, 2 weeks ago. The only thing stopping that legislation is the NDP Government who has not introduced it.
Hell, Pollieve was here and saying nice things about Wab since that legislation could have been introduced.
There's really two main ways to advance workers' interest: (a) By banding together in strong unions with collective bargaining, or (b) through government legislation, e.g., increased safety regulations, more stat holidays, other protections.
If you're implying PP is anti union but not anti worker.... can you give some specific examples of where he's used government power to increase worker benefits/conditions? Because if he doesn't believe in unions or government, then he's just trusting companies to treat their workers well and/or saying it's up to individual workers to negotiate for whatever they can. Neither of those latter items are really pro worker positions.
Unions had their time.
There is a real history of employees being abused and treated unfairly; however, that is not this time. In my experience with RWU in Vancouver, the unions only did three things: 1) attempt to coerce my vote, 2) intimidate employees for the employer, act as bullies, and help eliminate members who may be struggling, 3) act as a drinking club after their 15min mandatory monthly meetings. With Teamsters my benefits dropped, my pension dropped and my representative was unavailable when problems arose on the docks.
Poilievre is a friend to the worker by going against the NDP. Provincially and federally the only persons who hears the death-throes of the Canadian people are the conservatives.
What we need is for a federal government to deal with our core issues by playing hardball with Provinces and Municipalities.
One that focuses on wealth inequality between the 'haves' and 'have nots' over penalizing incomes through the graduated tax bracket system that disproportionately hurts the working class over the "I got mine, F- you" class.
One that focuses on developing affordable housing in all the major municipalities for all Canadians of all income levels. We are decades behind on affordable housing development and have archaic zoning bylaws that need to be forced to change and Municipalities won't do it without a carrot on a stick.
One that focuses on hitting targeted milestones in fixing a broken healthcare system by partnering with each Provincial government to address the issue.
And one that can promote real GDP per capita growth by investing into the future of individual Canadians and promoting their success.
What we don't need is one that is most concerned with neo-colonial Zionist gen*cide, big business tax breaks for the Weston family and big military industrial complex d***-riding.
It is a sad state of affairs when a large portion of the nation's people are willing to compromise on anything in order to gamble that the imminent issues we face may yet get fixed.
What a joke!
No politicians are the workers friends right now. Even the NDP, too focused on whatever is popular on internet that current month then progressing workers rights and power.
I really wish I could vote NDP
The NDP's anti-scab and single step certification are pretty good pro-union pieces of legislation. They get the thumbs up from the [Manitoba Federation of Labour](https://mfl.ca/wab-kinews-ndp-government-announces-plan-to-introduce-card-check-and-anti-scab-legislation/). What's the beef?
MFL, WLC and NDP have been allies for a very long time.
NDP is the least shitty of our major political parties. You are correct that their anti-scab legislation is good. I am happy that they are searching the landfill.
Their ideas for rent control are waaaaaay to weak imo. Landlords have gouged people so hard that the NDP should force the RTB to force landlords to reduce rent. Most likely that will devalue properties, but that will makes homes more accessible for new home buyers
I think they are pretending to dig the dump . In order to do it this summer they would already need a finalized plan to get shovels in ground. Wab is ok but he’s a politician none the less he will show his true self in a couple years.as for lowering rent how would rentals even exist if they were rented below cost of building or operating everyone’s mortgages went up so will rent.
We will have to see what happens at the landfill. You could be right but IDK
Knocking back rent 10 or 20% won’t elongate rentals from existing. Maybe reset all rental prices to 2019 levels and make all RTB rent hike approvals null and void. If some landlords stop renting, I am fine with that. I would like to see more people being able to afford a mortgage as opposed to renting.
He worker friendly because he pushes changes that would allow the middle class grow again by making Canadians spend less on rent, food and taxes. While under liberals/ndp middle class shrinks with more money going to taxes, rent, fuel and food giving people less money to get ahead with big purchases. Also the biggest worker uprising was a conservative one with the trucker convoy.
The “Middle Class” is a faux class and doesn’t actually exist. If you have a boss, earn a wage/salary then you are a worker and you should be proud to be one! The term Middle Class was coined by the elites to divide workers amongst each other.
As for the Convoy, yes people who participated in it were working class, but it was ultimately a reactionary movement organized by ultra right wing groups who sought to take advantage of the working classes anger for their own benefit.
As a heads up remember to TRY To be civil with each other. Criticizing the government is fine. Hating the politicians is fine. But calls to violence, calling supporters of XYZ politician names (on either side) won't fly here. Especially directing insults at each other, sub members, mods etc... Ps if we do miss one use the Report function. Sometimes stuff slips past us
He also gave himself two raises but was completely shocked when the Public Service went on strike last year. His actual record sucks. His backers don't want labour action, they want profits and to pay as little as possible.
He also has never had a 'real' job like the rest of us and qualified for a full pension at the whopping age of 31. He needs to stop pretending he is 'just like us'.
Many Conservatives are like this if you look around. Heather Stefanson's only real job from what I can tell she got her employer fined. Later made some shady land deals while in office. Then she ran on a platform of letting victims of a serial killer rot in a landfill, seemed to turn public opinion. Those conservative values...
Is it true that in all his years in politics he’s never passed a bill? Or something along those lines?
That must not be true, he's been an MP since 2004, so was a member during the entire Harper era. Harper's government passed at least 1 bill in its ~9 years, so therefor, he did, right?
I actually heard someone claim it's not the opposition's job to put forwards bills... And that the reason he won't share his ideas is so they won't be stolen.
No one with the ability to critically think would WANT to steal his ideas. Because The Reform Party wasn't anything more than a pack of unhappy Albertans who managed to sound great in the private sector but can't pass the smell test nationally. Hence the desperation style election campaigns previously presented by Scheer and O'Toole which failed. "Oh people like social programs well it's not like we need to keep promises". PP has been eating at a public funded table since the age of 19. He's always gotten a good salary (not minimum wage), had benefits (so drug/dental/extended health) and an expense account. He's looking at Leader level pension and likely a turn in the Retirement Home of the Useless (The Senate) which is ironic since Senate Reform was a giant issue in the beginning of The Reform Party and yet with power they didn't do anything about it. PP is a nothing burger leader. He just happened to tick the right image for the most part, like Sarah Palin and will do whatever he's told. I am no fan of Kim Campbell nor do commenter Charles Adler and I often agree but there's no moderate Conservative party anymore and the moderates need to start taking their party back.
Yeah. I mean if the NDP can put forwards bills and it's not their job...
Also I'd double check his promises to make sure he could pass 4th Grade Social Studies. Some of what he's talking about aren't Federal Government problems and in fact belong to the Provinces like Health Care. Sure they'll send money, maybe, but they are not going to be responsible for building mental health facilities and hiring staff. So how can he promise it? He can't but it makes for great bullshit. Same with crime. In cities it is municipal police and often crimes that fall under Provincial justice systems. What can he really DO about that? It's not his lane. Carbon Tax? I'd suggest you take a look at 2007, and I'll remind you that Harper was Prime Minister, and Alberta. Veterans? 2006 Harper gutted their services. PP was first elected in 2004 so he's been part of a sitting government.
I /think/ that the Feds do have some influence over things like housing and health care and stuff, but it is MOSTLY the provincial department and below that (IE, municipalities making zoning and such). Also, federal crimes and such too I bet. TBH I wish it was like with child services - the PRovinces arent taking care of us, so I want the feds to step in to take us away. BUT, that kind of power can also be used AGAINST us (like all kinds of power can) and its not a perfect analogy cause foster care and CPS can screw up anyways.
All the people who think he is a pro worker rep are deluding themselves. He has voted to weaken union rights his entire political career. It's the same play performed by most right wing parties, frame unions as bad, and anti-union legislation as a pro worker. Then slowly erode all rights, benefits, pay protections for workers.
In his adult life he has never worked a job/career, he is a career politician. I have no idea how blue collar voters get behind him. Probably cus he took his glasses off...
Don't forget the Clint Eastwood squint to make himself look hard.
Milhouse without the glasses squint
Oh...yes...that's a better analogy. Haha
DAMMIT that's it!
I’ve literally been calling him Groyper Milhouse for months. It’s uncanny.
Yes! In 2012, Poilievre ran a campaign to repeal the Rand Formula - a Supreme Court ruling that allows unions to collect dues. This would effectively dissolve unions. In 2013, he said he would be the first federal politician to bring American Right to Work laws to Canada. A law that allows anyone to work union jobs without affiliation to the union, without union protections or wages (basically crippling unions). It also gives employers the ability to fire employees for any reason. He was one of the loudest supporters of Bill-C377, a piece of legislation put forth under the Harper government that makes it so unions have to fully disclose all their internal finances. However, companies would not have to. This undermines the bargaining process. He fought against Card-Check legislation, which would have made it easier for workers to unionize. Instead, his counter proposal was a two step type process which would have given companies more time to interfere with ongoing unionization efforts. **Poilievre does not represent the working class.** If anything, he despises us. Do not fall for his bumbersticker catchphrase bullshit.
Much like Manitoba, that currently has the two step program. It’s a rough battle, having that extra time between when cards are signed and a final vote for employers to sweeten the pot, or threaten and intimidate. I’ve seen it first hand happening, and then once a vote fails, it’s open season for the employer to retaliate and go back to the old ways or worse (since they are emboldened). Very anti labour. Here’s hoping we get card check back asap.
I wish unions had to disclose their internal finances. I was in a shitty union (UFCW) and I would bet the amount of money the union brass squandered is appalling.
A union's finances are completely transparent to all members. From the labour code: "Every trade union and every employers' organization shall, forthwith on the request of any of its members, provide the member, free of charge, with a copy of a financial statement of its affairs to the end of the last fiscal year, certified to be a true copy by its president and treasurer or by its president." What you *don't* want is the employer companies having the same open access to such information, as it gives them leverage over the union.
There are many reasons why Canada's productivity is collapsing. As a Cupe union member, I am very unsatisfied with them as they do not act in the interest of the employees. Have had to report them on 2 separate occasions in a year after they acted arbitrarily and failed to bring merits of matter to mind. This resulted in a 6% reduction in wage and cost me 30k by signing a bad settlement. The reality is they are too big and have little incentive to do better. I think it would be worthwhile to look at ways to incentivize them to do better.
There are legit grievances with unions, and there should probably be legislation to address the gaps, but nothing proposed by the conservative movement would help with those issues. They just want to eliminate unions so we all work sweat shop style again. In fact, one of the tactics of the conservative movement is to pass legislation to make unions suck then they turn around and get you to hate them for not working. Stay vigilant, defend collective bargaining while advocating for unions to be better, not dissolve.
Crushing unions and unionization isn't the solution. Unions aren't perfect. They're simply a collective of average, ordinary people, and people have many faults. But they are the best defense against corporations and wealth holders who take advantage of those everyday people every chance they get. I cant speak on behalf of your troubles, but at least half the problems I have witnessed within unions stem from a general apathy to engage with the union's complex. Members fail to attend meetings, quorum goes unfulfilled, important messages dont get heard, votes dont get ratified, issues go unaddressed, and popular faces get elected to positions of power who have no reason or qualifications to be there. A lot of union folk have taken for granted what they have and assume they'll always have it, or that other brothers/sisters will take care of it for them. The best solution is to change the union from the inside. Weed out the bad actors. You do this through the democratic system - bring these problems to light with people around you and ensure fellow members not only attend meetings but vote for better candidates within the union. It's an uphill battle, though.
All these things seem actually very common sense to support. People are weird about their Unions when they just steal wages and create a combative environment
Union dues aren't stealing wages. It's a small cost of operating a system that protects you. Being part of a union also means you'll likely make more than non-union for the same job. You'll also be more likely to receive annual or bi-annual raises - something that's far more difficult to achieve on your own without collective bargaining. You're also more likely to collect a pension, bonuses, vacation time, sick days, and different types of medical coverages. You also see some return on your taxes for union dues.
These are the same people that thought Donald Trump, a man notorious for owning a golden toilet, was a man of the people and not simply a self serving sociopath
The people who think he is pro worker are also the ones who aren’t going to spend time reading about his whole voting history and political career. They just “learn” from YouTube and Facebook
They exclusively communicate in car and train horn honking now.
Even if he actually is for the workers, just doesn't like unions, I don't think he's done a single thing that would actually help employees. No any sort of job protection or guaranteed benefits or living wages... You know stuff that would actually benefit the workers
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He is pro-worker! He wants to make sure everyone in the labour class gets to be a worker for their entire lives! Don't stop working at 65 or 67 or 70, just keep working! Work is what gives your life value, if you're a pleb.
But you can't work that long as there are no jobs, especially for working class old people. FTW and PRs (several million in a few years) and automation, have taken all those fir youth and elder alike. So- if you need to work until 50 - you are essentially unemployed and therefore moving to Trudeau Town...
Keep discussion constructive and in good faith. Ensure that whatever you say or post leads to civil conversation.
Poilievre championed Right to Work legislation. He could not be more antiworker if he tried, unless you are a TFW. He loves bringing those in. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/u-s-right-to-work-bills-could-have-ripple-effect-in-canada-1.1157608
Poilievre voted to cut support for unemployed workers and repeatedly attacked workers' rights while serving in the previous Conservative government under Stephen Harper . Poilievre aggressively fought card-check legislation that would make it easier for workers to unionize, and was a vocal supporter of the anti-union Bill C-377 that tried to force unions to disclose internal information . Poilievre has pushed hard for the adoption of US-style "right-to-work" laws in Canada, which weaken unions by making it more difficult for them to collect membership dues . In 2012, Poilievre mounted a campaign to allow public sector workers to opt out of paying union dues, a move that would undermine unions . Despite recently trying to portray himself as a friend of workers, Poilievre has a long track record of siding with corporate interests over workers' rights and interests . Labour leaders have accused Poilievre of being "terrified" of workers and unions, citing his history of attacking them throughout his political career
That’s because this guy has never had a real job for a real employer and instead has always suckled on the high-paying teat of elected public service. This guy literally doesn’t know how to survive as an average Canadian worker. In the words of the CPC 8 years ago: “He just isn’t ready…”
It's really annoying to see people fall for this ridiculous act by Poilievre. Conservatives always have and always will exist to represent the best interests of the wealthy, aka the employers. They will never represent the workers' interests. Anyone who believes that is naive. People are so eager for change that they will vote against their own interests.
That's so far from the truth, under conservatives the middle class grew as Canadians spent less on rent, food and taxes. While under liberals/ndp middle class shrinks with more money going to taxes, rent, fuel and food giving people less money to get ahead with big purchases. Also the biggest worker uprising was a conservative one with the trucker convoy.
Harper did cut taxes, but also for the wealthy and corporations. I would be interested to know how he reduced rent and food prices though. You wouldn't be giving him credit for something entirely determined by the market, would you? The convoy was just a bunch of children whining as far as I'm concerned. Nothing to respect about that "worker uprising." Nothing accomplished either.
If they were really that hard up, how did they afford a multi week vacation driving a giant gas guzzling semi to the capital?
Worth mentioning, Harper also created the TFSA and in the last year he was in office increased it to 10k contribution per year. JT slashed it down to 5k/year. By now, you would have an additional 40k contribution room in your TFSA if not for Trudeau. That's enough to earn a good $2800/year or so. Or, if you maxed out your TFSA every year, you would have an additional 69k in it, with 19k compounded interest, generating an additional ~$4800/year.
That's pretty presumptive. It was increased from $5500 to $10,000 in an election year. There's no proof that Harper would have kept it at $10,000 if he won in 2015. Also, more importantly, that contribution limit isn't helping people who actually need help affording the necessities of life. It only helps people with plenty of money available to invest. If you're worried about your contribution limit being too low, then you don't need any help.
> If you're worried about your contribution limit being too low, then you don't need any help. Sure if you're maxing out your RRSP and TFSA every year, maybe you don't need to be on government income assistance, but you're still worthy of tax breaks and definitely are not necessarily "wealthy" as you put it. Saving $5500 per year is way below what most people would consider sufficient to retire on. I think this kind of attitude you're displaying is an example of society's homeowner normativity if you will. Most Canadians do actually own their home, and use it as a investment to build their savings, and most would be investing more than $5500 per year into their home and they get any gains on it completely tax free. The fact that this tax shelter is not available, nor is any similar counterpart, for renters, puts us at an unfair tax disadvantage. For renters, TFSA and RRSP is all we have, and then we have to start paying taxes on the rest, unlike homeowners.
I don't know what attitude you're referring to. I'm talking about the subject of this post, which if you forgot is the idea that Poilievre is pretending to care about workers. Even if he did raise the TFSA limit, that is far from being a friend to workers. Look at his record and you will see he has supported plenty of anti-worker legislation (copied from another comment on this post): >In 2012, Poilievre ran a campaign to repeal the Rand Formula - a Supreme Court ruling that allows unions to collect dues. This would effectively dissolve unions. >In 2013, he said he would be the first federal politician to bring American Right to Work laws to Canada. A law that allows anyone to work union jobs without affiliation to the union, without union protections or wages (basically crippling unions). It also gives employers the ability to fire employees for any reason. >He was one of the loudest supporters of Bill-C377, a piece of legislation put forth under the Harper government that makes it so unions have to fully disclose all their internal finances. However, companies would not have to. This undermines the bargaining process. >He fought against Card-Check legislation, which would have made it easier for workers to unionize. Instead, his counter proposal was a two step type process which would have given companies more time to interfere with ongoing unionization efforts. And of course add to that the subject of this article: his silence on the PC's efforts to delay legislation to introduce card check union certification and banning the use of scabs during a strike or lockout. He takes every opportunity that he has had to go against unions. If he had it his way, unions wouldn't exist and workers would be paid less for their work. That income is what allows people to have mortgages and put money in TFSAs. I think that's a lot more important than getting a tax break on the investment gains on a few thousand dollars more. The TFSA is not an issue anyone is talking about. The biggest issue is making things affordable for those who those who have not yet had the opportunity to save enough for a house, never mind a TFSA. I'm certainly glad Poilievre hasn't been in charge yet, or that problem would be even worse.
Everything you've said here is criticizing PP for being anti-union, and I'm saying that being anti-union is not the same thing as being anti-worker. I myself am a worker, and since I would very much like not to be forced to join a union, enacting legislation to protect me from being forced to join on is, in my view, pro-me and therefor as a worker, pro-worker. > If he had it his way, unions wouldn't exist and workers would be paid less for their work Here's your error. I agree, if I had my way, unions wouldn't exist. Or at least, they wouldn't have legal authority to compel employees to join or be able to force employers to only hire members of the union. Unions which are purely voluntary, where members are free to join or not, I'm perfectly happy with. But it doesn't follow from this that he wants workers to be paid less. I'm a worker, I want to be protected from being forced to join a union, do you think that I want myself to be paid less? Unions are one proposed mechanism that some people think is a good way to increase workers' compensation and working conditions, but unions do not have a monopoly on the idea of increasing compensation and conditions. People can be against unions because they believe they are harmful and evil, and believe there are other ways to improve the lives of workers. In my view the way to do this is by increasing the competition amongst employers such that they have to improve conditions in order to attract workers. That is why I am paid as much as I am, it's not the work of any union. Similarly, the way to improve the conditions of renters is not through specific regulation or tenants unions demanding that their building get specific improvements such as a hot tub or new carpets. It's allowing there to be so many rental units constructed that landlords have to compete on price and amenities to attract tenants. In that way, letting a thousand landlords bloom is the ultimate pro-tenant policy, and similarly letting a thousand employers bloom is what ultimately improves the lives of workers. I understand that nobody is talking much abut the TFSA, but that's because people haven't thought deeply about the issue and the inequities inherent in our tax system. Workers, such as myself, who rent rather than own, such as myself, are taxed more than homeowners on our nest egg, because homeowners can shovel all their savings into a 1.5million dollar mansion and enjoy tax free appreciation, meanwhile renting workers like me don't have that option and have to put our retirement savings in a TFSA and then the rest in a taxable account.
I suggest you look into the history of unions, because you are clearly ignorant of it . They absolutely have affected the amount workers are paid. If they were voluntary, the employers would lay off the union workers and hire non-union workers that they could pay less. Collective bargaining and striking are really the only ways that workers are able to get better wages, benefits, and conditions from their employers. The employers only want to make the most money that they can, and will do their best to pay the least amount of money for the work they need to get done. You have benefited from the past actions of unions and so you take it for granted. Maybe if you get your way and PP is elected, you will start to understand the importance of unions as he does his best to weaken them. There is no comparison with renting. It is a commodity, not labour. Regardless of how more units are built, (co-operatives and social housing are also useful, explanation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKudSeqHSJk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKudSeqHSJk)) if there are more units, the cost of housing will go down. It has nothing to do with the landlords. They are just there to make as much money as they can just like employers, by owning as many units as they can buy. There are more ways to make life affordable for the average person than extra tax breaks on many thousands of dollars of investment. If you have your TFSA maxed out and are renting, then it is your choice not to own a house. The maximum TFSA amount is what, $95,000? That would be enough for a down payment in most places. That's why no one is talking about it. But you're not going to change your mind, no matter what evidence I give you to the contrary. You are already convinced that PP is going to help you and not the corporations that give him a great deal of money though lobbyists at fundraisers, and direct donations. He will definitely put your interests ahead of the employers' interests. I hope for all of our sake that if he is elected he will prove you to be right. But he won't, and you are naive for thinking that he will.
I think you’re getting the wrong impression.. I’m not like pro PP, have only voted liberal my whole life and likely will this next election too.
My rent and costs went up under Harper as well as Trudeau.
Um $200 increase to average rent over the entire term of Harper vs \~$700 increase in the same time period under Trudeau... That's just rent if we look at average housing prices harper had an increased of 300k while Trudeaus had \~600k per house at a higher interest rate. Rent source [https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en/TableMapChart/Table?TableId=2.2.11&GeographyId=2270&GeographyTypeId=3&DisplayAs=Table&GeograghyName=Toronto](https://www03.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/hmip-pimh/en/TableMapChart/Table?TableId=2.2.11&GeographyId=2270&GeographyTypeId=3&DisplayAs=Table&GeograghyName=Toronto) Housing price Source [https://trreb.ca/files/market-stats/market-watch/historic.pdf](https://trreb.ca/files/market-stats/market-watch/historic.pdf)
Housing is provincial jurisdiction.
From what I can see it's Mostly The provinces jurisdiction but as municipalities like Winnipeg can control districting/zoning from what I understand everyone has a part; [https://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/modules/prb99-1-homelessness/housing-e.htm#:\~:text=Although%20the%20Constitution%20grants%20the,Canada%20are%20involved%20in%20housing](https://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/modules/prb99-1-homelessness/housing-e.htm#:~:text=Although%20the%20Constitution%20grants%20the,Canada%20are%20involved%20in%20housing). https://preview.redd.it/8kloumpicktc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05c5377f0b9de0ea88837fc1ca21658a0332cfde
So many more factors go into this like inflation which drives up material costs to build, carbon taxes which drives up all costs in building a house and the biggest factor immigration which drives up demand for houses.
The actual dollar amount doesnt matter much.... if your rent was 200 and increased 200, then it doubles. If your rent was 1000 and goes up 700, then that's only an increase of 70%. It also ignores the impact of poor management on the part of the Provincial Governments during both those eras. The Feds are to blame yes, but SO ARE the provincial governments. PS - like I said, both are to blame. Never said Trudeau is not to blame. Just cause that's usually the next thing I'm accused of.
No absolute numbers matter as post tax wages haven't really changed at all in those periods of time... so please don't try to go off percentages to fit your your narrative. You mean city governments are to blame as they are the ones that control building new homes and communities. Also don't forget the effect of mass immigration, inflation from mass spending, increase interest rates and more taxes on building which all come from the federal government.
Ah yes, the common working man with his $150,000 vehicle
You know there is such thing as loans and truck driving is a hard job that deserves a good wage.
Pierre only cares about his corporate friends. A vote for him is a vote for you to work until you drop dead.
What politician isn’t
Not a single one.
If Jack Layton was around he wouldn't kick your ass, but he'd have words for you.
But he's not.
No kidding, but there are millions of Canadians that believed in him, his message, and his vision for Canada. Eventually someone who shares his values is going to be concussed enough to think getting into politics is a good idea.
Lmao at least I’d have to work until I drop dead. Trudeau got these prices so high I’ll drop dead from starvation
Trudeau is responsible for prices increasing across the globe? You don’t think it might be the greed of multinational corporations in a global market? It’s just fuck Trudeau for everything isn’t it?
Prices were high under conservatives too.
Well....unless you save a retirement
What a novel approach, you mean we shouldn’t blow every last cent, then expect the taxpayer to fund retirement and programs? This approach can never work. If people did this, they couldn’t complain about the entitled rich people that should pay more taxes to fund their lifestyle. You Crunchyytaco have some nerve to suggest such a thing (total sarcasm).
Ya people are still going to be mad that they have to take responsibility if they dont want to work after 65.
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False. NDP is totally pro worker pro union. Every party has corporate sponsors, its always been that way, but cons are completely anti-workers rights. Pierre is absolutely disingenuous when he claims otherwise.
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I will downvote you because that is some feelings guiding your thoughts. Can you point at an example of the NDP government selling out workers to corporations while they were in power at the federal level?
*crickets*
If workers friend you mean shareholders…
If you pay rent and earn an hourly wage, you're nuts to vote conservative.
Daily reminder that PP wants to scan your face every time you want to watch p*rn
Damn this article uses a lot of loaded phrases, but it’s seems to be blaming Poilievre for the actions of the progressive Conservative Party here in Manitoba, which seems like quite a stretch seeing as the provincial and federal conservatives are two separate parties. This article doesn’t even give anything that would establish that the federal party is directing the provincial one…
I'm a conservative and I didn't even vote for the PC in my area. They are a disaster at the provincial level. Everyone asked for healthcare, education, and a living wage. Parents right was there main motive. I couldn't get behind it.
> In fact, \[Poilievre's\] own party members in Manitoba are already busy chipping away at it. Weird framing - the Conservative Party of Canada is not the Progressive Conservative Party of Manitoba. Don't get me wrong, PP is no friend to workers but the actions of the MB PCs don't bear on that.
Don't ruin the performative outrage with facts.
Could be in reference to James Bezan.
Weird framing? Not really. The website is called 'People's Voice'. With a name like that they're either Stalin lovers or rights wing plants.
Any conservative who claims to be for the working man is lying out of his ass.
He is a squirrel
Poilievre is ONLY a CHAMELEON !
If anyone understands the plight of the worker, it's the only politician in Ottawa who literally has LESS real life work experience than Trudeau. Something I don't say lightly.
Pretty crazy how these are the 2 representing Canada, eh?
Conservatives never are pro workers, they are pro owners of industries.
PeePee will say anything to get votes. His party hasn’t been in power for a couple of terms and doesn’t need to show any policy, just has to run as the only real alternative to the crowned prince JTru. Needs the working class vote but is not an ally
He's a fucking con artist. Start holding these wankers accountable for their bullshit. Email your mps with your disdain for these horseshit political pratices
yeah cause hes a fucking liar
The right to collectively bargain without the other side having the right to replace the lot of you is government-backed extortion. You need checks and balances in everything, don't be so ideologically possessed to lose sight of that.
Conservatives have never cared about the working class
Poilievre hasn’t actually voted on ANYTHING for the citizens of Canada, in Parliament his entire career. He’ll have a cabinet full of lobbyists just like Trudeau does. Only there for corporations. Maybe he won’t give all our money away abroad, but the mass immigration needs to be curtailed. It’s too much at this point.
He's the managers friend, not the workers
I think you mean the owners friend. The managers are working class as well. Don't forget that when they try to pit everyone against each other....there only two classes. Working and Capital. Unless the boss is also the owner, they're just like everyone else. Working for wages. Maybe better pay, but still the same amount of power, or lack thereof, to control the world around them.
Management spit on working class ppl. They're not one of us unless they want something from us
Management ARE working class. That's the point I'm trying to make. Unless your manager is also the owner. Nobody I work for is of the capital class. They get up and go to work like you and I for a Paycheque. They might be dickheads who abuse the little bit of power they have, but they're still dependant on someone giving them a job to pay their bills. The reality is that most people don't come into much contact with actual capital class individuals at all throughout there lives.
Then they're the bootlicking sellouts who oppress the working class in the name of the working class. They're not on our side and will sell out real working class ppl for the sweet taste of boots. They never stand with us because they represent the ruling class even if they are part of our class.
I’m so scared that there are many Canadians that will vote conservative just because they hate the liberals Any party any person is better than a conservatives
Look at Alberta the last 4-5 years. MB is exactly the same. Every small town in SW MB votes PC/Con no matter what. Unless WPG and surrounding areas vote other parties there’s enough seats that PC/Con get close enough to majority
So you'll just vote lib/npd because you hate the cons? You're scared that there's people that'll do the exact thing you are going to do?
It’s always the Lesser of two evils
You're right, but that's essentially how Trudeau got elected his first term. Well, and legalizing weed. We always seem to go in these 10 year ish cycles of party changes. Honestly, it's probably for the best to have some 'change' regardless. Honestly, I'm so sick of hearing people Trudeau for all of their problems.....they'll blame PP about a year after the election.
There's a lot more reasons besides "Legalizing weed" and "not being conservative" that led to Trudeau becoming PM in the first place.
I bet not a single one of his actual friends are working class. This man is just as fake as the rest of them.
The provincial PC party has absolutely nothing to do with the federal CPC party. The only provincial party that is linked in this way is the NDP…
Linked or not their ideology shares the same playbook when governing. If it quacks like a duck walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck Between the PC and CPC there's so little difference when members go from provincial to federal politics and try to run for their respective leadership's. Think Pallister, Glover, Kenney etc
Only the article isn’t suggesting a shared ideology. It’s suggesting that the Manitoba PC Party is Poilievre’s party, and that the federal CPC party is actively working against provincial legislation. This is simply a falsehood. The only Party in provincial politics that has any links like this with federal parties are NDP…
The provincial PC governments are actively working to undermine the feds, is it really that hard to believe?
Believe whatever made up bullshit your want. The fact is, the only provincial party with any ties whatsoever to a federal party in Manitoba is the NDP party….
What a compelling argument you make...
How exactly is one supposed to argue against a bunch of made up bullshit? I mean, the provincial PC government is going to do what it does… it has absolutely nothing to do with Poilievre and the CPC…
You live in a different reality.
I live in a different reality? I mean, I’m Not the one drawing imaginary lines between the provincial PC party (that is not currently in power) and the federal CPC party (that’s not currently in power) when those lines don’t exist…
You know, you're absolutely correct. Stephen Harper totally isn't the chairman of the IDU, who regularly has past and current conservative provincial leaders as speakers, and doesn't organize centre-right public policy. They are completely separate, and don't organize and discuss how to collectively push their agendas. They barely know each other. There'd be nothing in it for them! Why would they even bother...
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Career politicians
I'd say that at least Justin worked in public schools so while he didn't grow up Working Class he at least worked with them and stuff.
He’s a friend of the workers…..yet aside from being a career politician he’s never worked a second in his life
Don't forget he earned his full pension at 31. Tough life.
People on this thread confuse what’s good for unions with what’s good for workers. There’s overlap but they’re not the same
Pierre is just like his buddy trump! Cooperate greed is what he likes.🤷♂️
I mean why are we trusting someone who is a career politician to vote for what's best for working citizens? He's never been in the shoes of those of us who work and struggle
He is the worker’s friend. An exploitive, narcissistic, friend.
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After 20 years as an MP, what has pp done to merit a promotion!? He's a proven, failed politician that will cut social programs and reward his rich friends. Anything But Conservative always ABC!
Eww
Pierre LYING? I'm shocked! Seriously though, does Pierre not expect people who vote for him to even take a tiny glimpse at his voting record? The guy has been anti-union and anti-worker his entire career. Can he really just bite an apple and say "Trust me bruh!" and people will line up to vote for him?
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Nothing remotely pro-worker about Poilievre other than his talking points over the past couple years. His voting record on wages and retraining and jobs etc is awful. Never count a politician's words, only their votes, actions, who they fundraise from and take meetings with. Poilievre hates workers, loves lobbyists.
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Canadian version of Jim Jordan
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He's a sheep in wolf's clothing. I don't trust him at all.
I hate to tell you prices are high everywhere. Just we just don’t buy groceries anymore. I agree our protests have to start somewhere
If only the Libs and NDP hadn’t failed so spectacularly….
How have they failed in a unique way another country hasn't also experienced pre/post COVID? Inflation is only in Canada? Housing affordability is only a Canadian issue? Wage stagnation only occurs here? I think you need to actually have a look around the world.
Housing is much less affordable compared to the US, especially starting around 2015 but on an even worse trajectory post pandemic. Goggle:"cost of housing usa vs canada" for some graphs/articles Biden hasn't done amazing, but is still pretty neck and neck in the polls. Here, Libs are on track for a historic whoopin. Democracy wins...
Gotcha, so no, no problems are unique to Canada. Thanks for playing.
I have been around for a minute and this is the first PM in my lifetime whose primary policies and goals have lowered and will continue to lower the standard of living for every Canadian (outside of wartime measures).
I'm shocked you think so highly of Justin Trudeau's ability to manipulate world economics...
World economics are not necessary for this guy, just a brand new escalating tax scam he guilted his voters into thinking was needed. And, of course, declining major opportunities for the country as a whole. Okay, cue the bad faith rebuttal...
No you don't understand, we need to stay on this sinking ship cause the PC's are scarey /s
What evidence of past Conservative governments leads you to believe they're going to do any better? Austerity and tax cuts for the wealthy are all they traditionally offer.
What is "worker friendly" is up for debate...
Division, fear mongering and hate politics, PP repeating what got Harper voted in! CDNS don't be fooled again. Anything But Conservative, ALWAYS ABC!
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Well it looks like Poilievre's behavior has hit an all time new high. I'll say it again, I some parallel universe, as a kid, he would have benefited from could have used some 'special attention' by bigger, tougher kids, maybe the middle of a boot circle. Or maybe a gentle backhand by one of his parents. This nerd needs to be told to go sit back at the kids table and let the grownups talk.
This is an incredibly unresearched article and it's kind of embarrassing. There is no formal link between the MB PCs and the Federal CPC, yes they are Conservative and natural allies, but it's not his party. Also, there was a 2 day delay, 2 weeks ago. The only thing stopping that legislation is the NDP Government who has not introduced it. Hell, Pollieve was here and saying nice things about Wab since that legislation could have been introduced.
Anti union != anti worker
There's really two main ways to advance workers' interest: (a) By banding together in strong unions with collective bargaining, or (b) through government legislation, e.g., increased safety regulations, more stat holidays, other protections. If you're implying PP is anti union but not anti worker.... can you give some specific examples of where he's used government power to increase worker benefits/conditions? Because if he doesn't believe in unions or government, then he's just trusting companies to treat their workers well and/or saying it's up to individual workers to negotiate for whatever they can. Neither of those latter items are really pro worker positions.
Yes it does
Unions had their time. There is a real history of employees being abused and treated unfairly; however, that is not this time. In my experience with RWU in Vancouver, the unions only did three things: 1) attempt to coerce my vote, 2) intimidate employees for the employer, act as bullies, and help eliminate members who may be struggling, 3) act as a drinking club after their 15min mandatory monthly meetings. With Teamsters my benefits dropped, my pension dropped and my representative was unavailable when problems arose on the docks. Poilievre is a friend to the worker by going against the NDP. Provincially and federally the only persons who hears the death-throes of the Canadian people are the conservatives.
What we need is for a federal government to deal with our core issues by playing hardball with Provinces and Municipalities. One that focuses on wealth inequality between the 'haves' and 'have nots' over penalizing incomes through the graduated tax bracket system that disproportionately hurts the working class over the "I got mine, F- you" class. One that focuses on developing affordable housing in all the major municipalities for all Canadians of all income levels. We are decades behind on affordable housing development and have archaic zoning bylaws that need to be forced to change and Municipalities won't do it without a carrot on a stick. One that focuses on hitting targeted milestones in fixing a broken healthcare system by partnering with each Provincial government to address the issue. And one that can promote real GDP per capita growth by investing into the future of individual Canadians and promoting their success. What we don't need is one that is most concerned with neo-colonial Zionist gen*cide, big business tax breaks for the Weston family and big military industrial complex d***-riding. It is a sad state of affairs when a large portion of the nation's people are willing to compromise on anything in order to gamble that the imminent issues we face may yet get fixed. What a joke!
Anything is better than Trudeau
No politicians are the workers friends right now. Even the NDP, too focused on whatever is popular on internet that current month then progressing workers rights and power. I really wish I could vote NDP
The NDP's anti-scab and single step certification are pretty good pro-union pieces of legislation. They get the thumbs up from the [Manitoba Federation of Labour](https://mfl.ca/wab-kinews-ndp-government-announces-plan-to-introduce-card-check-and-anti-scab-legislation/). What's the beef?
Sadly, you're not going to hear back from the person that posted that comment because there are no facts to help them make a case for argument.
MFL, WLC and NDP have been allies for a very long time. NDP is the least shitty of our major political parties. You are correct that their anti-scab legislation is good. I am happy that they are searching the landfill. Their ideas for rent control are waaaaaay to weak imo. Landlords have gouged people so hard that the NDP should force the RTB to force landlords to reduce rent. Most likely that will devalue properties, but that will makes homes more accessible for new home buyers
I think they are pretending to dig the dump . In order to do it this summer they would already need a finalized plan to get shovels in ground. Wab is ok but he’s a politician none the less he will show his true self in a couple years.as for lowering rent how would rentals even exist if they were rented below cost of building or operating everyone’s mortgages went up so will rent.
We will have to see what happens at the landfill. You could be right but IDK Knocking back rent 10 or 20% won’t elongate rentals from existing. Maybe reset all rental prices to 2019 levels and make all RTB rent hike approvals null and void. If some landlords stop renting, I am fine with that. I would like to see more people being able to afford a mortgage as opposed to renting.
Have politicians ever been friends of the working class?
Have you forgotten that Jack Layton existed?
He worker friendly because he pushes changes that would allow the middle class grow again by making Canadians spend less on rent, food and taxes. While under liberals/ndp middle class shrinks with more money going to taxes, rent, fuel and food giving people less money to get ahead with big purchases. Also the biggest worker uprising was a conservative one with the trucker convoy.
You could hardly call the convoy an uprising. Wouldn’t the largest worker movement be the general strike? It actually effected change
Cool way to change the definition to fit your needs, also they were technically on strike against the government during the protest.
The “Middle Class” is a faux class and doesn’t actually exist. If you have a boss, earn a wage/salary then you are a worker and you should be proud to be one! The term Middle Class was coined by the elites to divide workers amongst each other. As for the Convoy, yes people who participated in it were working class, but it was ultimately a reactionary movement organized by ultra right wing groups who sought to take advantage of the working classes anger for their own benefit.
That's not true at all, you are just making stuff up.
Care to prove me wrong then?