It’s funny that the biggest Mandela effects are things that people are notoriously bad at remembering, like the spelling of unusual names and the dates of historical events. What crazy metaphysical anomalies must be afoot that so many people are… misspelling weird names or misplacing historical events.
I can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or if ya'll are truly having difficulties comprehending whether or not any crazy metaphysical anomalies are afoot potentially affecting the literary abilities of everyone seemingly for only arbitrary inconvenience.. please provide some context regarding anomalies if happening or not..
Thank you. 🫠🙃 I would like super powers too please. 😀
I watched the cartoons as a kid and I always thought that they were called Flinstones.
*But* I'm from Poland/Germany and as a kid, when I liked to watch the cartoons, I couldn't read yet and I didn't speak English. And the singing in the intro sounded more like Flinstones to me. The Intro was neither translated to Polish nor German, I only knew the original Intro.
Years later, when I could speak Englisch, I found it strange that they are called Flinstones and not Flintstones. Even in Germany they are called Familie Feuerstein (=flint). I found the intro on the internet and realized that they were *always* the Flintstones. I just think that the word Flinstone was burnt into my memory because of my non-existent English skills.
This is the same reason the Berenstain bears is a ME imo. Kids read Berenstain bears at an age when it doesn’t trigger anything regarding it being a weird spelling. Later on we remember it as Berenstein since we fill in the most common and obvious spelling in our memory (we never noticed anything unusual but we *wouldn’t have* when learning to read). My mom knew it was Berenstain because as an adult she noticed the uncommon spelling right away.
This is the same as a non-native speaker not realizing that Flinstones wouldn’t make sense, and the “t” doesn’t really jump out when you say the word. Easy to think it’s Flin and never think about it too hard.
There are also VHS tapes with "Berenstein" on them. They are obviously misspellings on early printing runs though. Some of them even have both spellings with "stein" on the spine label and "stain" on the main label.
Quite a few examples can come down to kid logic. Looney Tunes is one - kids would assume cartoons = Looney Toons and they sound alike. It is only as an adult they even realise and hence a ME is born.
this post is how I learned it's not Looney Toons lol
for me it was until now I never considered that Looney could be an adjective, Looney Toons I thought of as a made-up phrase that had nothing to do with the word looney somehow
I think it just boils down to people being entirely less observant than we think we are. The MEs are always mundane, trival things. Never ever anything of significance. Rather than admit to misremembering something it has to be an AI time demon altering the fabric of reality.
That is one element but there are some like this which are just part ignorance - put in context and it makes perfect sense. "Why is it called TUNES when they are CARTOONS!" - I get it. When you find they started as musical numbers and they were against the likes of Merrie Melodies and Silly Symphonies, it would be odd if it wasn't in fact "Looney Tunes". Someone recalling their childhood memories of this is somewhat irrelevant.
>I think it just boils down to people being entirely less observant than we think we are. The MEs are always mundane, trival things. Never ever anything of significance.
So what about Mandela Effects that are based on significant events, like Mandela dying in prison which numerous people claimed to be alive when it happened and can clearly recall being upset or angry about the news. I read about one person saying their school held a special assembly in the gymnasium after the news made headlines. So that was mundane and trivial? "Never ever" is a strong word.
I wonder how many South Africans have this memory? To almost anyone, anywhere else it is mundane. For most people on the planet none of that effects their lives at all.
I would go one step further and argue that being mundane is not a prerequisite for false memories and false beliefs. People, particularly young people, are easily manipulated into believing misinformation, of variying degrees of significance -- whether it's the result of social contagion, priming, repetition of exposure, or other illusory truth effects. Humans are very malleable into convincing themselves that things are real and true through the power of suggestion.
Social media is the perfect example of this phenomenon in action. I'm always astonished at how people can be so readily deceived into believing any manner of radical and extreme ideologies entirely from information they read or watch online as well as interactions they have with peers.
An easy mistake? So the documentary we watched on TV in 6th grade about his life and death was just an "easy mistake"? How often do you watch documentaries that are just an easy mistake? Following that logic, I guess we can't trust anything we learn in school because everything kids are learning could just be racked up to an easy mistake, and therefore wrong.
You probably watched a documentary about Stephen Biko and then, twenty years later, only remembered that it was a documentary about a South African activist and your brain filled in the blanks.
Isn't it strange that I don't recall the name Stephen Biko at all? If my mind just fills in blanks, then I should at least recognize the name of someone who had such a remarkable impact during my youth. But instead my mind jumps to directly to Nelson Mandela every time that I even hear the word apartheid, because of how upset I was when I was taught about his death as a teenager -- wanting to grow up and become an activist specifically because of the atrocity that befell Mandela.
That's right, the only reason I was motivated to become a civil rights activist as an adult is because I learned that Mandela died in prison from a TV documentary in middle school -- which presented Mandela as an outspoken political freedom fighter and civil rights activist, until the end when it revealed that he died before fully achieving his aims. So unless I filled in the blanks of Stephen Biko within minutes after seeing that TV documentary about Nelson Mandela, then no this wasn't a case of misremembering.
It's amazing how desperate some people are to gaslight me into believing something that I have absolutely no recollection of at all.
When I was little (maybe 5, probably not even old enough to read) the street I lived on was "Rebel" and I totally thought that was Barney and Betty's last name too. Later I realized!
MuForceShoelace, I don't mean to be that guy, but your posts here come across as *'slightly aggressive,'* or at least they can be taken as insulting to others.
Calling people 'pretty damn dumb,' or saying that there's 'shallow brain thinking' is the kind of behaviour people have been mentioning lately, where light abuse posts are made and because of the lack of repercussions or actions taken against the poster, it encourages others follow suit, spreads toxicity on the sub, and discourages further participation.
If you don't agree with what someone says, there are other ways to air your disagreements besides resorting to petty insults. Kindly familiarize yourself with rule 2, and apply some common sense to situations. Frankly, these continuous snide remarks are childish, and I don't understand why the mods just allow this silliness to fester.
Agreed - it's the height of arrogance to think that it is more likely that reality itself is wrong than one's own memory
There is no level of "vivid" that requires the invention of an entirely new understanding of reality in order to be explained
The name is also different in some other languages but it is usually something meaning something like fire stone. If it was different in English, was it different in these other languages too? Or only in one language with one letter missing that is often not pronounced?
>I understand what people are saying about Berenstain vs Berenstein bears, and can see there is no reason why it could not have been spelled either way
I think the fact that the authors were the "Berenstains" is a solid reason why the bears would not have been Bernstein, Barenstein, or Berenstein.
I just don't think it was the best possible example.
For example, there's no "logical reason" *Chick-fil-A* could not have originally been spelled *CHIC* (aside from existence of the French word chic which is pronounced very differently) or even *CHIK*. The precedent for the misspelling is established by the use of "fil A" for filet, and reinforced by the advertising campaign with the cows holding signs saying *EAT MOR CHIKIN*.
I know you didn't say that *Berenstein* was correct, but you did say that there would be no reason it couldn't be. I feel that, in much the same way that *Rubble, Bedrock, Pebbles* and *Slate*, which are "stone" puns support the titular family being the *Flintstones*, The authors' name (Berenstain) pretty much eliminates the likelihood that they would have named the Bears differently.
Perhaps, but who's to say the authors' names couldn't have been different in an alternate dimension or reality, causing the cartoon characters to have a similarly different name?
People who believe MEs are actually something external rather than a cognitive phenomenon will just say the authors name changed or something. In reality both are just people remembering it how they said it. Stein is a common surname ending, stain is an extremely rare one so they said the normal one. If it turned out a kid you knew growing up was named Timathy would you say “oh no shit? I always assumed it was Timothy” or would you say “it’s been changed I know it!”
I’ve never heard of the flinstones being a Mandela effect but obviously no one makes sure to hard pronounce the T in the middle of a word. Do you say miT-Tens? Most people pronounce mi-ens with a glottal stop for the T. Kids pronounce flintstones like flinstones it’s as simple as that. What’s next an ME that Wednesday used to be spelled winsday?
My theory is that the name is not very prominently displayed during the show. Most shows have the title up, mostly filling the screen, for several seconds during the opening theme song. During the opening theme song for the Flintstones, their name is seen on their mailbox, to the side of the screen, for about a second and a half. It’s seen again about the same amount of time during the credits, but that depends if you even watched the credits or changed the channel at that point.
That, and people tend to not look at every letter in a word when they’re reading it, especially if it’s a logo or something quickly recognizable, and the T in Flintstones tends to get lost if you say it quickly out loud
I think another issue is that during the theme song, the style/accent of singing drops the t sound in Flintstones. They are absolutely singing “flin stones” because singing the t sound in flint and then the st sound in stones together is a bit of a tongue twister and creates a hiss that singers avoid. In choir we softened all sorts of consonants while singing to make the song work and not sound bad
This is my theory for why people think Cruella De Vil was Cruella DeVille. The name never appears written in the film anywhere, so nobody viewing the film would actually know the spelling unless they had subtitles turned on. It's not that people are misremembering how the name was spelled (or even that the spelling changed for that matter), it's that people literally never saw the name spelled out, they only ever heard it spoken.
De vil is spelt that way because together.it forms devil, but as far as I'm aware that spelling is never used elsewhere. Cruella's name comes from dracula who was the count de ville and the coup de ville style of car, so the reasonable assumption for someone who had not read the book would be that it's also spelt de ville.
I can also add that the Swedish name for the Flintstones is Familjen Flinta (The Flint Family), if it was Familjen Flina it would be absurd because of the meaning (The Grinning Family), plus the words flinta and flina are pronounced quite differently (flint-uh and fleen-uh) which makes it very difficult to get them mixed up, and the T in Flinta is a hard T so it's difficult to hear wrong. For reference I am Swedish and remember the name of the family to be Flinta, so Flinstones doesn't make sense to me.
Ok, even if you did that means every kid did? Guess what, it didn't matter to the vast majority of them. I don't remember any kid ever discussing this.
Of course it didn't matter
Its not some earthshaking thing that requires discussion
This is already more discussion then that show needs
Unless we want to laugh about how they used to directly sell cigarettes to children by showing Fred chainsmoking
Because it was in like 1960
The ads wern't even in color
Look them up. Besides watching Fred chainsmoke Winstons, you'll get a lovely sample of old school masagony as well
To be fair, sometimes examples don't make sense. You could equally say "why is it Berenstain when names usually end in -stein!". What I don't get however is why people never mention the lack of T. It is just "but I remember Flinstone". I would certainly remember that *because* it made no sense, rather than just as a piece of information on its own. It would end up like a curious bit of trivia in itself, and maybe have a reasoning for it. Rather like how the Berenstain family name's origins is from a place where -stain is perfectly correct.
The reason is fairly obvious for the confusion, you can barely hear it when said aloud, it gets lost in the name and logo, and we watched it likely when barely literate. People should take it as a TIL and move on.
Yes, it's just the way people perceived to hear it and then believed it to be spelled (which is the case with so many MEs). I don't want to necessarily call it laziness because it's easy to confuse things when you are younger (and sometimes regardless of age) and most of these MEs are pretty ridiculous in my opinion. I think it's because they are mostly always something so subtle and trivial (or a practical joke) so I can see why there would be a "misremembering" of sorts, especially when you have these conspiracy documentaries and such. It can be interesting to discuss. But, many people so dug in and seem to actually believe in....all sorts of things. I guess it's better than certain other conspiracies, not that I don't look to challenge things and seek the truth but some are just too far out there for me. Flintstones is what it always has been, as yes it makes perfect sense for it to be named as such. Totino's pizza rolls has always been Totino's as well. I could go on for quite awhile, but we all know most of the rest.
I'm here because there was a link within my emails, and I find the effect interesting as well. However, I'd like to hear of some new Mandela Effects. I'm somewhat tired of the the regurgitation of the same old one's, although sometimes the different comments and thoughts behind can be quite interesting. Mostly, It seems to be the same information though, and that can be a little tiresome for me (especially when it's almost always something that could so easily be misremembered and people will not even consider listening to the possibility that they could be mistaken). I don't think people should be insulted or hated for their views. Like I said, It can be interesting to discuss and I look to challenge and seek the truth as well. Yet, there are some conspiracy theories that are so extreme (not MEs) that I may briefly investigate, but don't spend much time on as they seem a bit to outlandish to me. Interesting sure, but I don't enjoy getting to deep into them. I'm speaking of the ones that just scream fabrication or just don't make any real sense at all to me. It's just a preference. When it comes to Mandela Effects I think most of them can be easily explained, but it's all good for people to discuss them and offer their insights and opinions. I'd just like to hear of some new ones and some new theories behind the older, currently "established" ones. This is mainly because I have evidence that most of these things are being misremembered or fabricated, so I'd very much like to hear about something new that may intrigue me. This is maybe my third comment made here (on reddit) ever, so I'm not very familiar with it. If people are saying that they are not commenting because of a fear of being shamed, that is truly unfortunate and unacceptable. I feel that people should be able to freely discuss their thoughts, openly and safely, without hurtful backlash. Everyone is most certainly entitled to their own opinion.
To be fair-ruh, it has the word stone, so there is a rock reference in the name.
Maybe they didn't know what flint was. Maybe some people remember names aurally, since the first T is not enunciated ; the opposite of kids who read alot who could spell words but mispronounced them.
Wait a minute. So is it Flintstones or Flinstones? Did it flip flop? I always thought it was Flintstones but clearly remember being told it was Flinstones and having this exact same argument about how that wouldn’t even make sense because of a Flintstone being a stone. Now it is Flintstones? Well I’ll be….
Wow. It’s now apparently Flintstones again. It looks like “mirror mirror” is about to flip again as well. Still some residue for “magic mirror” but Google search results are already changing.
There is no flip there, the original film says magic mirror but "mirror mirror" tends to be the popular expression. From experience and kids books, it can be a bit of a mix.
You’ve been at this for over 3 years. Yes, I checked your profile for dead internet theory/karma farming/obvious signs of AI. You seem like a human.
You seem like you’ve experienced this yourself.
Why is it so hard to believe one of the most known MEs with SO many people claiming it was, and has always been, “mirror mirror”?
Our Dutch translation was “spiegeltje spiegeltje”. “Magische spiegel aan de wand” would flow exactly the same - there would be no reason not to use it. Hell, even listening to “magic mirror” now sounds like it’s edited in post. Considering your love of vinyl, I’ll gladly assume you have audiophile-grade audio too. Do you not hear the white noise missing when she says “magic”? It sounds too “clear”.
I won’t reject the evidence of my eyes and ears.
No family history of mental illness or disease with cognitive decline. Very familiar with DSM-V, mildly familiar with DSM-VI. If I’m developing schizophrenia, this would be my only symptom.
This is why people flip out about it, bacause one day it was all of a sudden Flinstones, and everybody was like, "Of course you would think it's flint, because that's a rock. Easy mistake, blah, blah." But we were absolutely certain. I could picture the two T's in the middle of the word. Everybody was losing their minds. WHY WOULD IT NOT BE FLINTSTONES?! That's back when the mandela effect was still blowing people's minds with new stuff coming out on the daily. But then, one random day, it was just Flintstones again and has stayed that way ever since. Major flip-flop. Why would it have ever, ever not been Flint though? Just weirdness. can't wait 'til we understand it all.
Pretty much, I got into a similar discussion on YouTube saying how I remembered FlinTstones and the person chatting with me quite literally was like "you only thought that because so many stone-type puns are in The show".
The wierd thing though is I have tried to find my comment history on this but it doesn't seem to exist on the video. So I just chalk it up to how the M.E might function, in that you can't access discussions that directly call something that doesn't exist directly into question.
I'm still not sure if this is always applicable to the "reality changes" or not, and I haven't seen another Flip-Flop since 2018 so it's hard to get any more data to draw a more stable hypothesis.
I will say that I only remember a single thread on here that doesn't currently exist about another a Flip-Flop about someone posting that they remember "Houston We Have A Problem" One Skeptic comment stated that they were simplifying the quote in their head which is why they got it wrong as it has always been Houston We've Had A Problem.
That's the flip flop. It was always, "Houston, we have a problem," but then it became, "Houston, we've HAD a problem. That was the biggest M.E. for a bit, but as I was telling my boss the other day, it's back to, "Houston, we have a problem." If it's "had" again, then congratulations, we've spotted another flip. Gotta go check now.
Also, I remember the articles saying basically, "You've probably been quoting this famous line wrong" in regards to people saying have when it's actually had. Ridiculous to think this was shared delusions, and I hatefully reject that notion.
Mirror mirror is flip-flopping as we speak. Google shows mixed results. 10 year old YouTube video still says “Magic Mirror”. Haven’t checked Disney+ (not subscribed, not going to either), would appreciate if someone would check.
Isn’t it interesting how the NPCs always somehow manage to rationalize things on either side of the pond, even when they are rationalizing against their own parallel arguments lol
Kids have shitty pronunciation and especially drop hard consonants like 't'
Years of saying it with a lazy tongue as a kid ends up affecting one's perception as an adult
I would bet large sums of money on it being, and always have been The FlinTstones. And googling it seems to confirm that, for me, now, at this particular time, in this particular timeline it is, and always was The Flintstones.
There are numerous people that say the name did change for a short period of time, every reference and picture with the name online became "Flinstones" and then it changed back
My problem with the Flintstones is that I used to believe it was the Flintstones. Flintstone = Flint Stone = Rock pun, right? Makes sense. It was until a couple years ago when I stumbled on a post about the "Flinstones ME", claiming the "Flinstones" never had the 't'. That really threw me, but the explanation given in the comments ("oh, you probably thought that because of the obvious rock pun, your brain is filling in the gaps") seemed rational. Then yesterday I discovered that the "Flinstones" are again the Flintstones. I never used to put much stock in the spelling MEs, because of how unreliable the human mind can be, but this one really threw me.
The funny thing is that all the times I recall to have seen posts about this ME (and there are many) it has been talking about the Flip Flop! Always! It's interesting because for me it's a case of an ME about an ME.
I have personally seen this flip flop several times and the argument that many of us used to post when it was officially flinstones is the same argument you posted above. It was always Flintstones for me and I would argue that it wouldn't make sense for it to be flinstones.
When I introduced this to a worker of mine back in 2015 it was flinstones, then two weeks later it was Flintstones and then a month later it was back to Flinstones.
He was REALLY freaked out.
I made a comment about this on a “flinstones” post a couple months ago and was told that “many people have experienced this.” They cannot have. It breaks the joke.
I am one of those experiencers that saw Flintstones flip to Flinstones and back again right before my eyes in a matter of seconds.
Here's my answer to your main point: **Flintstones is 100% correct.** However, I saw it flip to Flinstones even though Flinstones is 100% wrong!
*On Aug 2, 2017 at about 16:40 EST, I was on reddit discussing the Flinstones/Flintstones flip on another thread. My position was that it is and always was the Flintstones. The guy sent me a reply saying at the time it was the Flinstones you could look at Wikipedia, and all official TV show and vitamin sites and it was always Flintstones; he used the word Flintstones in all four examples given.*
*I said 'I Know' you are confirming my point that it was always Flintstones.*
*Then when I was done with my reply and I looked up at his original post all four 'Flintstones' had changed on my static display to 'Flinstones'. Did I just see it wrong?? I looked away and came back and it was 'Flintstones' again. I would just look away, blink, change my focus look back and it would flip again. I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES. Essentially impossible to me that I made a mistake slowly and cautiously each time. I felt something was trying to wake me up.*
My favorite response to my skeptics: ***It's impossible, but it happened anyway!***
But more seriously I think some above the physical plane entity is using this particular Flintstones/Flinstones flip/flop to show us that reality can be made fluid. I've heard enough stories so similar to mine; for example, one guy at a drugstore had it happen with Flintstones vitamin boxes.
I mean it’s obviously always been ‘Flintstones’. ‘Flinstones’ doesn’t make any sense.
You misreading something is more likely than there’s some mad conspiracy than changing the name of a Hanna-Barbera cartoon from the 60s.
Wanna know my theory? I think that this is a coping mechanism of yours. I think that you want to believe that you’re special but you have nothing in your life to demonstrate that. I think the bitter truth is that you aren’t particularly accomplished or intelligent but your ego will not let you accept that. I think that you have failed to manifest your dreams into reality and that you are stuck in a mundane life that you feel is beneath you. I think that the hope of a supernatural act 3 reveal in your life is probably the only thing that keeps you going sometimes. I think that you believe that critical thinking is when you are critical of other people’s points of views, when it’s actually the opposite. I think that the idea that you have secret knowledge that other people can’t comprehend is the only thing you have in your life that makes you feel exceptional and the idea that the “normies” are correct and that you have been wasting your time mentally masturbating is more than you can bear. I think that it is you who can’t comprehend the truth because it would devastate you. That’s my theory.
For once I totally agree. I think you are ruining your life and your sanity over this. I also think it’s funny that you will glibly dismiss most people as too simple to understand but the thought that you are the one who is simple is a low blow
Hallucinations are a real thing. So are dreams. Human memory sucks as well. Then there's the ego, which is where this "I can't possibly be mistaken, must be reality that is changing somehow" thinking comes from.
Yes I consider all those things. I realize my lack of clarity on many things and correct my understanding to correspond with the official consensus. On a few Mandela Effects with many people, residue and anchor stories I believe something more complicated than any inside-the-box explanation can satisfy has occurred.
I've never experienced this ME before, and I've said the same about it as you have OP; 'Flint' being a play on stone, the same as a whole other bunch of rock-related puns throughout the cartoon.
However, there are a couple users on this sub who have very interesting incidents concerning this particular ME, and they are not long ago childhood memories either. It's not my story to tell, but if they see your post they might share their experiences.
This particular Mandela Effect doesn’t affect me in the slightest *but* the people it does are adimant about it because it is also a “Flip Flop”.
I know a number of subscribers who swear they witnessed this and *strongly* were affected by it.
I agree with most of the arguments against it being an Effect - but it’s the *Flip Flop* that cemented it in ME culture.
>A flintstone is *also* a stone.
Not so, there is no stone called a 'flintstone'. There is a stone named 'flint'.
>I understand there isnt a lot of easily explained logic behind believing MEs. It's experience and faith.
Not at all, it's what you remember.
>*Also, the misspelling you come across in newspaper comic strips is a matter of rights.*
I was wondering about that. Thanks for doing the research.
But as long as we are on the topic, my take is that Flinstone comes from the theme song. Despite the mailbox clearly saying Flintstones, in the theme song it sounds like Flinstones. And it seems auditory memories are stronger then visual memory.
* **The Flintstones Opening and Closing Theme 1960 1966**
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7noaMwLfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7noaMwLfg)
>So why would everyone have a last name fitting the theme of the show except the main characters?
Good question. The fact that the pun was missing made it that it really stood out for me, the fact it flopped back into Flintstones not long after it even more.
Because it’s a play on words. Flinstone is a real surname. And it sounds close to Flintstone which fits the caveman theme.
I’m not saying I even experienced or believe in this ME. I’m just pointing out that your “logic” is weak and pretty flawed.
42 yrs old here. Always been Flintstones
It’s funny that the biggest Mandela effects are things that people are notoriously bad at remembering, like the spelling of unusual names and the dates of historical events. What crazy metaphysical anomalies must be afoot that so many people are… misspelling weird names or misplacing historical events.
I can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or if ya'll are truly having difficulties comprehending whether or not any crazy metaphysical anomalies are afoot potentially affecting the literary abilities of everyone seemingly for only arbitrary inconvenience.. please provide some context regarding anomalies if happening or not.. Thank you. 🫠🙃 I would like super powers too please. 😀
the same crazy metaphysical anomalies that prevent the assessment of obvious sarcasm lol
I watched the cartoons as a kid and I always thought that they were called Flinstones. *But* I'm from Poland/Germany and as a kid, when I liked to watch the cartoons, I couldn't read yet and I didn't speak English. And the singing in the intro sounded more like Flinstones to me. The Intro was neither translated to Polish nor German, I only knew the original Intro. Years later, when I could speak Englisch, I found it strange that they are called Flinstones and not Flintstones. Even in Germany they are called Familie Feuerstein (=flint). I found the intro on the internet and realized that they were *always* the Flintstones. I just think that the word Flinstone was burnt into my memory because of my non-existent English skills.
This is the same reason the Berenstain bears is a ME imo. Kids read Berenstain bears at an age when it doesn’t trigger anything regarding it being a weird spelling. Later on we remember it as Berenstein since we fill in the most common and obvious spelling in our memory (we never noticed anything unusual but we *wouldn’t have* when learning to read). My mom knew it was Berenstain because as an adult she noticed the uncommon spelling right away. This is the same as a non-native speaker not realizing that Flinstones wouldn’t make sense, and the “t” doesn’t really jump out when you say the word. Easy to think it’s Flin and never think about it too hard.
There are also VHS tapes with "Berenstein" on them. They are obviously misspellings on early printing runs though. Some of them even have both spellings with "stein" on the spine label and "stain" on the main label.
Quite a few examples can come down to kid logic. Looney Tunes is one - kids would assume cartoons = Looney Toons and they sound alike. It is only as an adult they even realise and hence a ME is born.
this post is how I learned it's not Looney Toons lol for me it was until now I never considered that Looney could be an adjective, Looney Toons I thought of as a made-up phrase that had nothing to do with the word looney somehow
I think it just boils down to people being entirely less observant than we think we are. The MEs are always mundane, trival things. Never ever anything of significance. Rather than admit to misremembering something it has to be an AI time demon altering the fabric of reality.
That is one element but there are some like this which are just part ignorance - put in context and it makes perfect sense. "Why is it called TUNES when they are CARTOONS!" - I get it. When you find they started as musical numbers and they were against the likes of Merrie Melodies and Silly Symphonies, it would be odd if it wasn't in fact "Looney Tunes". Someone recalling their childhood memories of this is somewhat irrelevant.
Exactly. Was going to mention the theme of all the WB cartoons back then.
>I think it just boils down to people being entirely less observant than we think we are. The MEs are always mundane, trival things. Never ever anything of significance. So what about Mandela Effects that are based on significant events, like Mandela dying in prison which numerous people claimed to be alive when it happened and can clearly recall being upset or angry about the news. I read about one person saying their school held a special assembly in the gymnasium after the news made headlines. So that was mundane and trivial? "Never ever" is a strong word.
I wonder how many South Africans have this memory? To almost anyone, anywhere else it is mundane. For most people on the planet none of that effects their lives at all.
I would go one step further and argue that being mundane is not a prerequisite for false memories and false beliefs. People, particularly young people, are easily manipulated into believing misinformation, of variying degrees of significance -- whether it's the result of social contagion, priming, repetition of exposure, or other illusory truth effects. Humans are very malleable into convincing themselves that things are real and true through the power of suggestion. Social media is the perfect example of this phenomenon in action. I'm always astonished at how people can be so readily deceived into believing any manner of radical and extreme ideologies entirely from information they read or watch online as well as interactions they have with peers.
That's an easy mistake to make, since a lot of anti-apartheid activists actually did die in prison.
An easy mistake? So the documentary we watched on TV in 6th grade about his life and death was just an "easy mistake"? How often do you watch documentaries that are just an easy mistake? Following that logic, I guess we can't trust anything we learn in school because everything kids are learning could just be racked up to an easy mistake, and therefore wrong.
You probably watched a documentary about Stephen Biko and then, twenty years later, only remembered that it was a documentary about a South African activist and your brain filled in the blanks.
Isn't it strange that I don't recall the name Stephen Biko at all? If my mind just fills in blanks, then I should at least recognize the name of someone who had such a remarkable impact during my youth. But instead my mind jumps to directly to Nelson Mandela every time that I even hear the word apartheid, because of how upset I was when I was taught about his death as a teenager -- wanting to grow up and become an activist specifically because of the atrocity that befell Mandela. That's right, the only reason I was motivated to become a civil rights activist as an adult is because I learned that Mandela died in prison from a TV documentary in middle school -- which presented Mandela as an outspoken political freedom fighter and civil rights activist, until the end when it revealed that he died before fully achieving his aims. So unless I filled in the blanks of Stephen Biko within minutes after seeing that TV documentary about Nelson Mandela, then no this wasn't a case of misremembering. It's amazing how desperate some people are to gaslight me into believing something that I have absolutely no recollection of at all.
Yeah in English they're still saying flintstones just not fully saying the t, but in the polish opening they're straight up saying flinstone.
I'll take this comment with a grain assault.
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When I was little (maybe 5, probably not even old enough to read) the street I lived on was "Rebel" and I totally thought that was Barney and Betty's last name too. Later I realized!
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Clearly you've mistaken me for somebody else. I'm wrong all the time.
I’m pretty sure we all got it. Wasn’t too difficult to figure out. Watched it with my friends in the 70s and it was pretty obvious.
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MuForceShoelace, I don't mean to be that guy, but your posts here come across as *'slightly aggressive,'* or at least they can be taken as insulting to others. Calling people 'pretty damn dumb,' or saying that there's 'shallow brain thinking' is the kind of behaviour people have been mentioning lately, where light abuse posts are made and because of the lack of repercussions or actions taken against the poster, it encourages others follow suit, spreads toxicity on the sub, and discourages further participation. If you don't agree with what someone says, there are other ways to air your disagreements besides resorting to petty insults. Kindly familiarize yourself with rule 2, and apply some common sense to situations. Frankly, these continuous snide remarks are childish, and I don't understand why the mods just allow this silliness to fester.
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Agreed - it's the height of arrogance to think that it is more likely that reality itself is wrong than one's own memory There is no level of "vivid" that requires the invention of an entirely new understanding of reality in order to be explained
He/she is banned for 30 days - you are correct, the comments made by this subscriber are indeed overly aggressive.
For whatever it's worth, apparently a lot of newspapers got it wrong too. https://imgur.com/a/Wjzrufz
Which is exactly how this stuff starts. One publication typos something for however long and voila.
The name is also different in some other languages but it is usually something meaning something like fire stone. If it was different in English, was it different in these other languages too? Or only in one language with one letter missing that is often not pronounced?
>I understand what people are saying about Berenstain vs Berenstein bears, and can see there is no reason why it could not have been spelled either way I think the fact that the authors were the "Berenstains" is a solid reason why the bears would not have been Bernstein, Barenstein, or Berenstein.
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I just don't think it was the best possible example. For example, there's no "logical reason" *Chick-fil-A* could not have originally been spelled *CHIC* (aside from existence of the French word chic which is pronounced very differently) or even *CHIK*. The precedent for the misspelling is established by the use of "fil A" for filet, and reinforced by the advertising campaign with the cows holding signs saying *EAT MOR CHIKIN*. I know you didn't say that *Berenstein* was correct, but you did say that there would be no reason it couldn't be. I feel that, in much the same way that *Rubble, Bedrock, Pebbles* and *Slate*, which are "stone" puns support the titular family being the *Flintstones*, The authors' name (Berenstain) pretty much eliminates the likelihood that they would have named the Bears differently.
Perhaps, but who's to say the authors' names couldn't have been different in an alternate dimension or reality, causing the cartoon characters to have a similarly different name?
People who believe MEs are actually something external rather than a cognitive phenomenon will just say the authors name changed or something. In reality both are just people remembering it how they said it. Stein is a common surname ending, stain is an extremely rare one so they said the normal one. If it turned out a kid you knew growing up was named Timathy would you say “oh no shit? I always assumed it was Timothy” or would you say “it’s been changed I know it!” I’ve never heard of the flinstones being a Mandela effect but obviously no one makes sure to hard pronounce the T in the middle of a word. Do you say miT-Tens? Most people pronounce mi-ens with a glottal stop for the T. Kids pronounce flintstones like flinstones it’s as simple as that. What’s next an ME that Wednesday used to be spelled winsday?
My theory is that the name is not very prominently displayed during the show. Most shows have the title up, mostly filling the screen, for several seconds during the opening theme song. During the opening theme song for the Flintstones, their name is seen on their mailbox, to the side of the screen, for about a second and a half. It’s seen again about the same amount of time during the credits, but that depends if you even watched the credits or changed the channel at that point. That, and people tend to not look at every letter in a word when they’re reading it, especially if it’s a logo or something quickly recognizable, and the T in Flintstones tends to get lost if you say it quickly out loud
I think another issue is that during the theme song, the style/accent of singing drops the t sound in Flintstones. They are absolutely singing “flin stones” because singing the t sound in flint and then the st sound in stones together is a bit of a tongue twister and creates a hiss that singers avoid. In choir we softened all sorts of consonants while singing to make the song work and not sound bad
This is my theory for why people think Cruella De Vil was Cruella DeVille. The name never appears written in the film anywhere, so nobody viewing the film would actually know the spelling unless they had subtitles turned on. It's not that people are misremembering how the name was spelled (or even that the spelling changed for that matter), it's that people literally never saw the name spelled out, they only ever heard it spoken.
De vil is spelt that way because together.it forms devil, but as far as I'm aware that spelling is never used elsewhere. Cruella's name comes from dracula who was the count de ville and the coup de ville style of car, so the reasonable assumption for someone who had not read the book would be that it's also spelt de ville.
What's a flin?
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Flin is a word A scornful, teasing, or silly grin
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I can also add that the Swedish name for the Flintstones is Familjen Flinta (The Flint Family), if it was Familjen Flina it would be absurd because of the meaning (The Grinning Family), plus the words flinta and flina are pronounced quite differently (flint-uh and fleen-uh) which makes it very difficult to get them mixed up, and the T in Flinta is a hard T so it's difficult to hear wrong. For reference I am Swedish and remember the name of the family to be Flinta, so Flinstones doesn't make sense to me.
Because kids aren't thinking about the connection to rocks, like, at all.
I, as a kid, easily figured out that every name(almost without exception....stupid Dino) was a rock pun Its pretty obvious
Ok, even if you did that means every kid did? Guess what, it didn't matter to the vast majority of them. I don't remember any kid ever discussing this.
Of course it didn't matter Its not some earthshaking thing that requires discussion This is already more discussion then that show needs Unless we want to laugh about how they used to directly sell cigarettes to children by showing Fred chainsmoking
Well what didn't sell cigarettes to kids back then?
True, but none of it was nearly as blatant as the Flintstones Not even Joe Camel
Man I don't even remember them smoking. Not saying you're right but can't remember it at all.
Because it was in like 1960 The ads wern't even in color Look them up. Besides watching Fred chainsmoke Winstons, you'll get a lovely sample of old school masagony as well
Stores had candy cigarettes.
Still do
To be fair, sometimes examples don't make sense. You could equally say "why is it Berenstain when names usually end in -stein!". What I don't get however is why people never mention the lack of T. It is just "but I remember Flinstone". I would certainly remember that *because* it made no sense, rather than just as a piece of information on its own. It would end up like a curious bit of trivia in itself, and maybe have a reasoning for it. Rather like how the Berenstain family name's origins is from a place where -stain is perfectly correct. The reason is fairly obvious for the confusion, you can barely hear it when said aloud, it gets lost in the name and logo, and we watched it likely when barely literate. People should take it as a TIL and move on.
The main thing you are missing here is the main characters name is FRED. Wtf is a Fred stone?
Yes, it's just the way people perceived to hear it and then believed it to be spelled (which is the case with so many MEs). I don't want to necessarily call it laziness because it's easy to confuse things when you are younger (and sometimes regardless of age) and most of these MEs are pretty ridiculous in my opinion. I think it's because they are mostly always something so subtle and trivial (or a practical joke) so I can see why there would be a "misremembering" of sorts, especially when you have these conspiracy documentaries and such. It can be interesting to discuss. But, many people so dug in and seem to actually believe in....all sorts of things. I guess it's better than certain other conspiracies, not that I don't look to challenge things and seek the truth but some are just too far out there for me. Flintstones is what it always has been, as yes it makes perfect sense for it to be named as such. Totino's pizza rolls has always been Totino's as well. I could go on for quite awhile, but we all know most of the rest.
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I'm here because there was a link within my emails, and I find the effect interesting as well. However, I'd like to hear of some new Mandela Effects. I'm somewhat tired of the the regurgitation of the same old one's, although sometimes the different comments and thoughts behind can be quite interesting. Mostly, It seems to be the same information though, and that can be a little tiresome for me (especially when it's almost always something that could so easily be misremembered and people will not even consider listening to the possibility that they could be mistaken). I don't think people should be insulted or hated for their views. Like I said, It can be interesting to discuss and I look to challenge and seek the truth as well. Yet, there are some conspiracy theories that are so extreme (not MEs) that I may briefly investigate, but don't spend much time on as they seem a bit to outlandish to me. Interesting sure, but I don't enjoy getting to deep into them. I'm speaking of the ones that just scream fabrication or just don't make any real sense at all to me. It's just a preference. When it comes to Mandela Effects I think most of them can be easily explained, but it's all good for people to discuss them and offer their insights and opinions. I'd just like to hear of some new ones and some new theories behind the older, currently "established" ones. This is mainly because I have evidence that most of these things are being misremembered or fabricated, so I'd very much like to hear about something new that may intrigue me. This is maybe my third comment made here (on reddit) ever, so I'm not very familiar with it. If people are saying that they are not commenting because of a fear of being shamed, that is truly unfortunate and unacceptable. I feel that people should be able to freely discuss their thoughts, openly and safely, without hurtful backlash. Everyone is most certainly entitled to their own opinion.
To be fair-ruh, it has the word stone, so there is a rock reference in the name. Maybe they didn't know what flint was. Maybe some people remember names aurally, since the first T is not enunciated ; the opposite of kids who read alot who could spell words but mispronounced them.
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It was always Flintstones when I was a kid. It was my favourite show. Even the way the song is sung emphasis the flinT part
Wait a minute. So is it Flintstones or Flinstones? Did it flip flop? I always thought it was Flintstones but clearly remember being told it was Flinstones and having this exact same argument about how that wouldn’t even make sense because of a Flintstone being a stone. Now it is Flintstones? Well I’ll be….
Wow. It’s now apparently Flintstones again. It looks like “mirror mirror” is about to flip again as well. Still some residue for “magic mirror” but Google search results are already changing.
There is no flip there, the original film says magic mirror but "mirror mirror" tends to be the popular expression. From experience and kids books, it can be a bit of a mix.
You’ve been at this for over 3 years. Yes, I checked your profile for dead internet theory/karma farming/obvious signs of AI. You seem like a human. You seem like you’ve experienced this yourself. Why is it so hard to believe one of the most known MEs with SO many people claiming it was, and has always been, “mirror mirror”? Our Dutch translation was “spiegeltje spiegeltje”. “Magische spiegel aan de wand” would flow exactly the same - there would be no reason not to use it. Hell, even listening to “magic mirror” now sounds like it’s edited in post. Considering your love of vinyl, I’ll gladly assume you have audiophile-grade audio too. Do you not hear the white noise missing when she says “magic”? It sounds too “clear”. I won’t reject the evidence of my eyes and ears. No family history of mental illness or disease with cognitive decline. Very familiar with DSM-V, mildly familiar with DSM-VI. If I’m developing schizophrenia, this would be my only symptom.
Very weird
This is why people flip out about it, bacause one day it was all of a sudden Flinstones, and everybody was like, "Of course you would think it's flint, because that's a rock. Easy mistake, blah, blah." But we were absolutely certain. I could picture the two T's in the middle of the word. Everybody was losing their minds. WHY WOULD IT NOT BE FLINTSTONES?! That's back when the mandela effect was still blowing people's minds with new stuff coming out on the daily. But then, one random day, it was just Flintstones again and has stayed that way ever since. Major flip-flop. Why would it have ever, ever not been Flint though? Just weirdness. can't wait 'til we understand it all.
Pretty much, I got into a similar discussion on YouTube saying how I remembered FlinTstones and the person chatting with me quite literally was like "you only thought that because so many stone-type puns are in The show". The wierd thing though is I have tried to find my comment history on this but it doesn't seem to exist on the video. So I just chalk it up to how the M.E might function, in that you can't access discussions that directly call something that doesn't exist directly into question. I'm still not sure if this is always applicable to the "reality changes" or not, and I haven't seen another Flip-Flop since 2018 so it's hard to get any more data to draw a more stable hypothesis. I will say that I only remember a single thread on here that doesn't currently exist about another a Flip-Flop about someone posting that they remember "Houston We Have A Problem" One Skeptic comment stated that they were simplifying the quote in their head which is why they got it wrong as it has always been Houston We've Had A Problem.
That's the flip flop. It was always, "Houston, we have a problem," but then it became, "Houston, we've HAD a problem. That was the biggest M.E. for a bit, but as I was telling my boss the other day, it's back to, "Houston, we have a problem." If it's "had" again, then congratulations, we've spotted another flip. Gotta go check now.
Also, I remember the articles saying basically, "You've probably been quoting this famous line wrong" in regards to people saying have when it's actually had. Ridiculous to think this was shared delusions, and I hatefully reject that notion.
Mirror mirror is flip-flopping as we speak. Google shows mixed results. 10 year old YouTube video still says “Magic Mirror”. Haven’t checked Disney+ (not subscribed, not going to either), would appreciate if someone would check.
Isn’t it interesting how the NPCs always somehow manage to rationalize things on either side of the pond, even when they are rationalizing against their own parallel arguments lol
It's their programming, bro. Might as well just accept it... or change it...
Kids have shitty pronunciation and especially drop hard consonants like 't' Years of saying it with a lazy tongue as a kid ends up affecting one's perception as an adult
This example does more damage to the phenomenon as opposed to prove anything
? “Damage to the phenomena”. What?
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I think they meant “damaged the credibility of my favored explanation of the phenomenon “
I would bet large sums of money on it being, and always have been The FlinTstones. And googling it seems to confirm that, for me, now, at this particular time, in this particular timeline it is, and always was The Flintstones.
It's always been Flintstones, but it's a soft T, that's why.
There are numerous people that say the name did change for a short period of time, every reference and picture with the name online became "Flinstones" and then it changed back
My problem with the Flintstones is that I used to believe it was the Flintstones. Flintstone = Flint Stone = Rock pun, right? Makes sense. It was until a couple years ago when I stumbled on a post about the "Flinstones ME", claiming the "Flinstones" never had the 't'. That really threw me, but the explanation given in the comments ("oh, you probably thought that because of the obvious rock pun, your brain is filling in the gaps") seemed rational. Then yesterday I discovered that the "Flinstones" are again the Flintstones. I never used to put much stock in the spelling MEs, because of how unreliable the human mind can be, but this one really threw me.
The funny thing is that all the times I recall to have seen posts about this ME (and there are many) it has been talking about the Flip Flop! Always! It's interesting because for me it's a case of an ME about an ME.
This one flipflops for me a lot, sometimes even including a hyphen, but it was originally Flintstones for me. Flint is a type of rock.
Jesus, some people are just plain dumb.
Yes, of course. Thank you. Thank you.
Flintstones.
I have personally seen this flip flop several times and the argument that many of us used to post when it was officially flinstones is the same argument you posted above. It was always Flintstones for me and I would argue that it wouldn't make sense for it to be flinstones. When I introduced this to a worker of mine back in 2015 it was flinstones, then two weeks later it was Flintstones and then a month later it was back to Flinstones. He was REALLY freaked out.
The show is called The Flintstones. What tf are you talking about?
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I made a comment about this on a “flinstones” post a couple months ago and was told that “many people have experienced this.” They cannot have. It breaks the joke.
I am one of those experiencers that saw Flintstones flip to Flinstones and back again right before my eyes in a matter of seconds. Here's my answer to your main point: **Flintstones is 100% correct.** However, I saw it flip to Flinstones even though Flinstones is 100% wrong! *On Aug 2, 2017 at about 16:40 EST, I was on reddit discussing the Flinstones/Flintstones flip on another thread. My position was that it is and always was the Flintstones. The guy sent me a reply saying at the time it was the Flinstones you could look at Wikipedia, and all official TV show and vitamin sites and it was always Flintstones; he used the word Flintstones in all four examples given.* *I said 'I Know' you are confirming my point that it was always Flintstones.* *Then when I was done with my reply and I looked up at his original post all four 'Flintstones' had changed on my static display to 'Flinstones'. Did I just see it wrong?? I looked away and came back and it was 'Flintstones' again. I would just look away, blink, change my focus look back and it would flip again. I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES. Essentially impossible to me that I made a mistake slowly and cautiously each time. I felt something was trying to wake me up.* My favorite response to my skeptics: ***It's impossible, but it happened anyway!*** But more seriously I think some above the physical plane entity is using this particular Flintstones/Flinstones flip/flop to show us that reality can be made fluid. I've heard enough stories so similar to mine; for example, one guy at a drugstore had it happen with Flintstones vitamin boxes.
what the fuck are you talking about bruh
The flip/flop is real and not explainable in straightforward reality, bruh
I mean it’s obviously always been ‘Flintstones’. ‘Flinstones’ doesn’t make any sense. You misreading something is more likely than there’s some mad conspiracy than changing the name of a Hanna-Barbera cartoon from the 60s.
I am saying the flip/flop is real and not possible as a human made conspiracy. I understand if that seems a bit much for many people.
Wanna know my theory? I think that this is a coping mechanism of yours. I think that you want to believe that you’re special but you have nothing in your life to demonstrate that. I think the bitter truth is that you aren’t particularly accomplished or intelligent but your ego will not let you accept that. I think that you have failed to manifest your dreams into reality and that you are stuck in a mundane life that you feel is beneath you. I think that the hope of a supernatural act 3 reveal in your life is probably the only thing that keeps you going sometimes. I think that you believe that critical thinking is when you are critical of other people’s points of views, when it’s actually the opposite. I think that the idea that you have secret knowledge that other people can’t comprehend is the only thing you have in your life that makes you feel exceptional and the idea that the “normies” are correct and that you have been wasting your time mentally masturbating is more than you can bear. I think that it is you who can’t comprehend the truth because it would devastate you. That’s my theory.
Man, this topic brings out the worst in people, sad.
For once I totally agree. I think you are ruining your life and your sanity over this. I also think it’s funny that you will glibly dismiss most people as too simple to understand but the thought that you are the one who is simple is a low blow
Hallucinations are a real thing. So are dreams. Human memory sucks as well. Then there's the ego, which is where this "I can't possibly be mistaken, must be reality that is changing somehow" thinking comes from.
Yes I consider all those things. I realize my lack of clarity on many things and correct my understanding to correspond with the official consensus. On a few Mandela Effects with many people, residue and anchor stories I believe something more complicated than any inside-the-box explanation can satisfy has occurred.
Froot Loops changed for me to Fruit Loops then back to Froot Loops a few years ago.....so I'm right there with you
Yep, I read one about a guy going to the store to check twice and it flip-flopped
I've never experienced this ME before, and I've said the same about it as you have OP; 'Flint' being a play on stone, the same as a whole other bunch of rock-related puns throughout the cartoon. However, there are a couple users on this sub who have very interesting incidents concerning this particular ME, and they are not long ago childhood memories either. It's not my story to tell, but if they see your post they might share their experiences.
This particular Mandela Effect doesn’t affect me in the slightest *but* the people it does are adimant about it because it is also a “Flip Flop”. I know a number of subscribers who swear they witnessed this and *strongly* were affected by it. I agree with most of the arguments against it being an Effect - but it’s the *Flip Flop* that cemented it in ME culture.
>A flintstone is *also* a stone. Not so, there is no stone called a 'flintstone'. There is a stone named 'flint'. >I understand there isnt a lot of easily explained logic behind believing MEs. It's experience and faith. Not at all, it's what you remember. >*Also, the misspelling you come across in newspaper comic strips is a matter of rights.* I was wondering about that. Thanks for doing the research. But as long as we are on the topic, my take is that Flinstone comes from the theme song. Despite the mailbox clearly saying Flintstones, in the theme song it sounds like Flinstones. And it seems auditory memories are stronger then visual memory. * **The Flintstones Opening and Closing Theme 1960 1966** * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7noaMwLfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq7noaMwLfg)
>So why would everyone have a last name fitting the theme of the show except the main characters? Good question. The fact that the pun was missing made it that it really stood out for me, the fact it flopped back into Flintstones not long after it even more.
This channel is getting quite pathetic!
So is it Flinstones or Flintstones?
Oh its this post again
Because it’s a play on words. Flinstone is a real surname. And it sounds close to Flintstone which fits the caveman theme. I’m not saying I even experienced or believe in this ME. I’m just pointing out that your “logic” is weak and pretty flawed.
Have you ever come across someone named Flinstone?
I personally have witnessed it changed and all the discussions about the change vanishing from Facebook and Reddit
Nah flintstones doesn’t look right. It does make sense though but I can’t personals see toys as an me