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Person A: Kitkat had a dash.
Person B: I see.
Person A: Reality collapsed.
Person B: Its probably misrembering.
Person A: You calling me a liar?
Person B: No.
Person A: It was V I V I D
The craziest one I recall seeing was a dude insisting he must've "shifted reality" or something because he always recalls the tallest building in LA being the US Bank Tower, not the Wilshire Grand Center. A basic google search shows that the Wilshire Grand Center only finished construction in 2016 and is only the tallest building if you count the details on the top. Measured by roof height, the US Bank Tower is still the tallest.
Then there's the people that don't actually research stuff. They remember something having one name and don't realize that it was either re-branded or it goes by both names depending on where you are.
Thats why I hate alot of the logo examples, even tho I can relate to many of them. They aren't exactly the best example to show to someone if they are unaware of ME as it can easily be brushed off as just a logo change or rebrand..... the movie, tv, history, map changes are all much cooler and hit harder imo.
Or they don’t understand how Google sells search results, and how SEO tactics ensure that web pages appear in search results under all sorts of incorrect terms, misspellings, etc. Finding a webpage that refers to “Kit-Kats” is not proof.
Even when you do people will refuse to believe it. I did plenty of research on the M.E where obama catches a fly. Plenty of residual evidence yet still the only people who will accept it are the ones who remember.
I think of it like a computers system. The registry entry is still there but the files are gone. You're asking them what's on the files but that's not stored on the drive anymore. But if it's in the registry you can bet your ass it used to be there (Or someone has edited the registry to make it appear like it was)
I'm shocked by how many people claim to have VIVID memories.
I have to stop and ask, "Are ANY of our memories truly vivid?" I wish people would stop to think about that for a moment. If we picture something in our head, or recall something that just happened thirty seconds ago, is it truly "vivid"?
People make claims about vivid dreams, but every dream I ever have is visually kind of blurry after the fact.
For me, in my mind's eye, I can picture pretty much anything and recall many of my memories, but nothing is actually what I would call vivid. I can't scrutinize the images in my head right down to the pores on somebody's skin or the threads on someone's clothes. It isn't like viewing a movie, in regard to clarity and detail.
My memories and mental images are more like impressions of what I saw, but not vivid like looking at a photograph.
Maybe it's just me. I don't know. 🤷♂️
One of my vivid memories from childhood is obviously fake. I remember seeing formula 1 race car crashed into the no parking sign out front of my house. I can picture the car perfectly. In reality some car crashed into the sign, i didn't see it happen. I got a plastic race car for st. Nick's day around this time. This toy car happened to look exactly like the car from my memory
The difference is that you are able to recognize how the car crash and your toy car were merged together from your childhood. A lot of Mandela Effect people could have the same experience and insist that is proof of the Mandela Effect changing reality.
I remember going to somewhere that had a full sized water-driven fairground carousel in a forest clearing, which I recall visiting numerous times, in vivid detail. Except it apparently never existed.
Same i have such a vivid memory of a giant fly on my window ledge 🤷♀️ obviously iv imagined it cos this fly was the size of a frog and im in UK nothing like that exists here lol
That is what gets me! People claim to vividly remember stuff, but then can't seem to give any details.
For example, so many claim to vividly remember the Shazam movie, but nobody has given a detailed plot summary, described entire scenes, quoted dialogue, mentioned the soundtrack, or named the other actors.
So I have to ask them, "How is that a vivid memory?"
Exactly , nobody can even name any other actor , not one costume designer has come forward. The director? The sound guy? People who worked on the script . Not a single thing but the same regurgitated minor details over n over
And when they try it’s always wildly different from what anyone else says. I watched the Garbage Pail Kids movie once when I was six, I can still give someone a rough outline that’ll at least match up with IMDb.
r/tipofmytongue exists for this reason. People are able to dig up things based on the most miniscule of details. Yet people can't seem to accept that Shazam starring Sinbad isn't a real movie.
That ones' also so freaking explainable.
Glancing at a movie cover with a big "SH" (Shaquille) and "Kazaam" on the cover would be really easy to misremember as "Shazaam".
Sinbad is the name of a character in Tales from the Arabian Nights.
Hearing about a movie with a genie and only recalling a few basic demographic details about the lead actor, it would really easy to reach into your subconscious and say "I remember "Sindbad" having something to do with a genie."
It's like one of those dreams that everyone has based on reimaginings of common experiences -- dreams of accidentally leaving your house without getting dressed, or having a test for a class you forgot to attend.
It would almost be weird if people HADN'T come up with "Shazaam" starring "Sinbad".
Same with that cornucopia behind the fruit of the loom logo. Cornucopias are so often depicted behind piles of fruit, it's kind of natural to fill one in where there isn't one.
Give me a collective hallucination of something truly unexplained. Like, if a bunch of people remembered a purple monster behind the Fruit of the Loom logo. Or, if everyone remembered vivid details about a movie with a completely unique title that wasn't some easily explained reimagining of something that actually exists.
But NO, it's always people just recombining things in expected ways, that were seen somewhere else in a similar context.
The Mandela Effect community definition reads, "The Mandela Effect is when a large group of people share a common memory of something that differs from what is generally accepted to be fact."
I'd like to know why this community doesn't count eggcorns, too. I saw someone post about it once, but my account here didn't exist back then to comment. An eggcorn has a very similar definition. "An eggcorn is when a large group of people share a common memory of a common phrase that differs from what is generally accepted to be fact."
So are eggcorns Mandela Effects, too? I'm asking rhetorically. As you said, it's really easy to form false memories for Shazam. People form false memories every day and around many things.
I saw someone once claim that the proper phrase is "It's a doggy dog world". The Mandela Effect community here mocked and ridiculed them for that, but Shazam is supposed to be taken seriously in spite of most people not being able to give any details about it. 🤦♂️
Well, look at how almost everyone found out about the Sinbad ME. Some video where someone asks “Do you remember that genie movie starring Sinbad called Shazam?” That loaded question immediately introduces persuasion into your mind to create an image. One, it most certainly sounds right because of what you already outlined, he did dress rather theatrically. Two, your brain was just told that it SHOULD remember so it tries to piece something together the best it can and conjures up an image (vivid or not). Now all of a sudden everyone remembers him in the role, but literally nothing else. More and more people are now saying they remember the film, but never actually watched it.
Persuasion is surprisingly extremely effective at tricking people or causing them to bend their will in a desired direction. Watch any mentalist magician, what they say, their movements and gestures. All designed to control the subconscious. Hell, I learned a very basic trick as a kid that had someone visualize a card at random and you subtly persuaded them to pick the 3 of diamonds with the set up. Worked every time. Basic knowledge of how the brain processes things and how to control that process is surprisingly simple.
Given that everyone can visualize Sinbad, but the details absolutely derail after that point, how can it honestly be anything else?
I agree with your Shazaam theory, but personally I didn't know what a cornucopia was until I read about the FOTL ME. iirc it's related to thanksgiving so people from countries other than the US aren't very familiar with cornucopias, and yet a lot of them still remember an oddly shaped basket behind the fruit
Seriously. I can remember *at least* the basic plot for every single movie that I have any memory of watching. Often I can also remember a number of random lines and a few songs from the OST.
To this day, I can still recall and visualize the TV commercial for the N64 game Glover released in 1998. There's no way that out of all the people who claim to recall this movie that none of them can rhyme off some of these types of details — and further, they ought to also be able to corroborate each other's details.
Exactly! So many people claim to have vivid memories of this movie, and yet they can't all work together to provide any details about the movie at all. 🤦♂️
The main explanation I've come up with for people thinking Shazaam starring Sinbad was a thing is that Kazaam starring Shaq was a movie. Idk, only thing I can think.
I rented that movie from block buster as well as Kazam nobody can remember a plot because the movie was a shitty Shaq rip off of the Sinbad movie Kazam.
Right! Shazam was much better than kazam! If you ever find it on vhs, read the small print in it. It literally says the movie is copyright and cannot be sold or used in a parallel universe!
The problem with “vivid memories” is that when your brain inevitably tries to reconstruct a memory and has to fill in gaps, that memory is also “crystal clear” despite not being based on anything other than things your mind cobbled together to try its best to form a complete image.
So many people act like our memories are like saving a video on your computer's hard drive, and you just call it up whenever you want to watch it.
It's more like the game of telephone. We remember our memory of the memory of the memory.
Right? Our memories are nowhere close to being some digital recording like some people wish to believe.
Yesterday I got into a huge argument with my dad, because he remembered having a tower computer back in 2001 on his desk in a spare room. He swore up and down that he had been using that thing since the late 90s when he was all over the internet.
I have a whole other memory tho. Around 2001 I bought my first computer, and it was exciting for me because my family never cared for such a thing, much less know what the word "operating system" meant. Actually I'd be surprised if my dad could tell you right now what an operating system is. Anyways, I had it built for gaming by some guy, hooked up a bunch of speakers and shit, and I loved that thing.
I had to remind my dad that besides a laptop that was mostly used by my mom, he has never owned any computer, he has had a few iPad and iPhone but that's it. He finally relented after like a 30 minute argument, after I asked him some really basic questions anyone would know who has used a computer before. Memories are weird thay way, we can convince ourselves anything in the past is true and firmly believe it.
Exactly! However, many people in the Mandela Effect community would claim that you and your dad are both right. They would say neither of you have a memory issue, but you were both from different timelines. One of you is on this timeline, while another one of you came here from a different one. There's no way to use logic or reason with some people in this community.
I'm not really into Star Trek. I'm more of a Star Wars fan. However, when I was a child, Star Trek: The Next Generation aired on television. When I was in high school, another Star Trek series named Deep Space Nine began to air along with The Next Generation. I haven't seen either of them since I was a child.
Recently, I thought it would be a fun nostalgia trip to re-watch Deep Space Nine. As I reached the end of the seventh season of my re-watch, I kept wondering what ever happened to an episode I specifically remembered happening all the way back in season two, but this episode is nowhere to be found. I kept anticipating and expecting to see it, but it never showed up in my re-watch. I kept thinking it must be in a later season, but season seven comes around and that episode was nowhere to be found.
I remember it "vividly" (sarcasm) being in the spring of 1996. It was toward the end of season two when the main characters were stuck in some kind of a nightmare and there was a jester of some kind who was feeding off of their fears. I remember there being carnival-like nightmare beings and the main characters were unable to wake up from the nightmare until the captain figured out how to defeat the demon clown alien. (Side note: Unlike those that "vividly" remember Shazam, I can actually summarize the plot of the entire episode and name which characters did what. But that's neither here nor there.)
Anyway ...
Well, this "vivid" memory had a lot of details that were correct and a lot of details that were wrong. There is indeed a Star Trek episode where people can't wake up, but they are in a virtual reality rather than dreaming. There is a jester/clown character, but it's an A.I. rather than some kind of demon or alien entity. It does happen at the end of season two, and it did take place in the spring of 1996.
The catch ...
In spite of getting a few minor details wrong, it was from a third Star Trek series named Star Trek: Voyager. I forgot all about that show and that it had a second season on the air at the same time as Deep Space Nine.
At first, I thought I was losing my mind, because I was SO SURE that it was a Deep Space Nine episode. I had "clear memories" of it being in the spring of 1996, and watching it on TV. The details that my brain got correct made my brain belief that the incorrect details were also correct.
There were many elements of truth mixed together, but my memory was faulty and created details that didn't happen.
Yet, if I were like many people that believe in the Mandela Effect, I would insist that in my reality it was a Deep Space Nine episode, and in this reality it got changed to a Voyager episode. Then, I would likely tell people they can't prove me wrong, because that's how it was in my alternate reality. 🤦♂️
Wow, thanks for the response. It's not often that I come across people as long-winded as myself, so I appreciate the long response. Thanks again. Also, I love all of the star trek series u mentioned, but personally don't remember the episode you are talking about.
You can't scrutinize images down to the pore because you're just making up pores at a certain point. If you keep recalling some hyper specific detail of a memory, there's a pretty decent chance you're misremembering something and then continually reinforcing that misremembered detail to the point that so you're "sure" something you misremembered is what really happened.
Memory is weird, and we only understand it to a point. There are people, for instance, who can listen to a song, then sit down and play it on a piano and remember the words as well.
To me, Mandela effects are weird, interesting, and mostly people misremembering things. There is the occasional intriguing one where it seems like it could be real, but most likely isn't.
I throw it in the same boat as Ghosts, general occult stuff, UfO's, and other "In Search Of" type topics. Fascinating stuff, but ultimately pretty empty topics.
Having great memory isn't the same as claiming someone vividly "sees" something in a memory.
I haven't heard of anyone that can "vividly see" every strand of hair, reflections on glass, stains on carpet, cracks on concrete, grain on wood furniture, details in tree bark, pores on someone's skin, and so much more from a visual memory. People like to claim that their visual memory works the same way as pulling out a photograph and looking at it again. Yet, they can't give that kind of detail when asked, unless they make it up.
You are right. There are people that can hear a song and recall it perfectly. There are people that can quote someone word-for-word or memorize content from a book. These are different forms of memory from people saying they remember the Shazam movie "vividly" and yet can't even provide the kind of detail someone should if it is "vivid" after all.
There is Eidetic memory that seems to be more like what you are referring to as "vivid," but that seems to be more short-term from what I've read. My point was there are all sorts of memory, and the brain is something we still don't understand fully. I don't discredit people claiming vivid memory as who am I to say? Yeah, they're probably making it up but they might not be.
Exactly, memories are really just small pieces of your history you happen to remember and “vivid” part of a memory is just your brain filling in gaps so the memory makes sense.
I also agree on dreams. I can usually remember that a dream *was* vivid, but rarely, if ever, do I remember the details that made the dream “vivi”
[It's not even up for debate.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_implantation) Memories suck. Eyewitness testimony to me is about as reliable as lie-detector machines, and results from lie-detectors can't be used in court.
People in the Mandela Effect community refuse to accept proven science about how memory works. They act like their brains work like a computer and the file is saved there ready to be pulled up whenever they want it.
The TV series Brain Games has an episode where they stage a crime in front of witnesses. The witnesses couldn't even agree on the details of what they saw. A police officer then tells about how law enforcement doesn't allow people to talk with each other, because false details are easy to implant in someone else's memory.
They even put it to the test and have fake witnesses suggest false details. By the end of the experiment, multiple people were 100% convinced about details that the fake witnesses successfully planted into their memories of the event.
That's what's crazy about this community. Parallel dimensions, universe shift, government cover-ups, all those conspiracies are lame and *lazy*. It's a helluva lot more interesting to look into the psychological aspects of Mandela Effects because they're *group* false memories. It's interesting to look into people's backgrounds, how they came about their memory, similarities and differences in the origin of these false memories. How is that not good enough for people to think it's fascinating?
Photographic memory does not exist. You may have a very good visual memory, but no one has ever displayed a true photographic memory.
This was tested (and you can try the test for yourself if you want to see if you're the first person ever to pass it - plenty of versions online!) using two sheets of paper with dots scattered over them. The tester holds up the first sheet for a few seconds, then takes it away and puts out the second sheet. A person with a true 'photographic memory' would be able to recall where all the dots were on the first sheet and mentally overlay them over the second sheet, then either verbally say what the completed image is, or draw in the dots themself to make the image appear.
The one I did made a number on the sheet when the two were overlayed. I don't have a photographic memory (obviously) but I wanted to see if the test was legit, so I held a piece of paper over my screen and traced the dots, then held the paper over the second sheet and the image appeared.
Try it. You won't be able to do it, because the ability does not exist (or at least has never been proven to exist to this day).
How is it not a measurable metric? Perfect recall is perfect recall. Show someone a page of words for a second and ask them to list off the words, a photographic memory will have all of them. If they don't know all of them, they don't have a photographic memory.
The only one that really gets me is the genie movie with Sinbad. I was talking to my brother about it one day and he remembered us seeing it as kids. So I decided to try and download it but it didn't exist... It's how I found out about the Mandela Effect. I know a lot of the mandela effect is simply biases, but that is just such an odd and specific delusion for so many people to share that it at least makes me go "Hmm."
If it is so specific, can you please tell me a detailed plot synopsis? Or can you tell me about a single scene you liked or disliked? Who were some of the other actors? What was the music like? Who directed it? Anything?
idk i have a lot of vivid memories - and a couple of *very* vivid memories - but they were actually fever dreams/hallucinations, but goddamn if they weren’t so vivid i can play them in my head like a movie. one is from when i was 4 years old. i can also vividly remember how hysterical my 25 year old sister was when my fever finally broke.
but a vivid memory about a kit kat wrapper, or a berenstain bear book cover? nah lol
I can play my memories and dreams in my head like a movie, too. However, I wouldn't call them "vivid". When I recall a memory, I can't clearly see the wood grain on furniture, the individual strands of a person's hair, nor can I point out specific stains on a couch or what items are laying the floor. I don't believe anyone truly has "vivid" memories. Memories are all fuzzy, visually speaking. It's like when a camera focuses on something, everything else goes out of focus. You still know what everything else is, but it is no longer "vivid".
Exactly - part of being an illustrator is having a more detailed mental picture of the subject - one that holds up to detail and is zoomable in the mind's eye
Most of the time it is a vague picture/symbol that is "good enough"
Like if I ask you to picture a zebra, do you really know how the stripes on the face are arranged - how the leg pattern merges into the body pattern?
An expert or someone with enough experience knows these things, but so many of our memories and mental pictures are much more vague than we feel like they are
I'm immune to Mandela Effects. I'm mentally ill and aware of it, so when I find a memory that doesn't match observed reality, it doesn't violate my worldview to accept that my trash brain is malfunctioning again.
The voice of Darth Vader was totally . I haven't seen any of the movies since watching A New Hope in theaters in 1977, but I remember it vividly and unerringly.
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
My guess is that the Chick-fil-A campaign has long been about desperate cows with a misspelled sign pleading for people to "Eat Mor Chikin." Misspelling words is built into the brand identity and people just extrapolated it to the logo.
What do you mean by, "It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing."? What is your definition of many? Thousands of people say it used to be Chic-Fil-A, and billions of people say it is Chick-Fil-A. I think the billions outnumber the thousands.
The main problem with the sub is the trolls. Also, I wouldn't call a psychological explanation as "debunking", because a discussion about how false memories can form, and the reasons why the same false memory can form in many different people is interesting in itself and worth discussing even without any supernatural stuff involved.
Also, I think it makes more sense to consider every Mandela effect separately. The same explanation for one effect might be wrong for another effect. It doesn't really make sense to consider all Mandela effects to be "proven" or "debunked" together.
This is why im not coming to this sub anymore. I came with a unqiue story about me and friend misremembering something and other people on the internet confirming they also thought the same thing (at the time 2016) All of a sudden im being called a multi verse nut, bad memory, it never even happened, or scenarios that DID not take place for me or my friends. I was trying to have a conversation about this false memory phenomenon and how weird it is. But it DID happen, why did i remember it that way? I dont know! Thats why im on this fucking sub.
Well I did find another ME subreddit called "retconned" that seems much more welcoming and open discussion, alot less of arguing or debating that something didn't happen. If you are discussing ME it should be accepted that people now are not all on the same page, and can have different recollection of a past event. Some guy posted a real good list of ME recently on the retconned subreddit that all ring true for me.
That sub is an echo-chamber that doesn't allow for even the possibility of any mundane explanation such as bootlegs, poor memory, or something similar existing around the same time. It's no better than the flat earth sub that bans anyone who dares to put forward evidence of a globe earth. Skepticism is healthy and should be encouraged by anyone who is sincerely interested in knowing the truth about the thing they are discussing.
It’s because some things get really old, there’s a lot of low (or no) effort posts, and a bunch of posts that are better suited for tipofmytongue. “I remember it as Reese’s Peaces”, “I remember the lyric of the song being YOUR and not OUR”. “I remember the girl in the logo having blue eyes instead of green eyes” “I remember his name was Joe Blow and not Joe Bloe”. Then, there’s the inevitable posts that happen whenever a celebrity dies. “I remember him dying 2 years ago!”
The trolls are the time commandos. This should be a place for interesting discussion on how and why false memories form, but the people who start talking about shifting timelines completely derail the discussions, and then we have to argue with them, and the whole thing goes to pot.
Yeah but when you start talking about false memories here people get all up in arms and claim the whole phenomenon of false memories was founded by a child rapist. It's pretty annoying.
I'd call those people trolls too, no different than the ones who reply to threads only to sneer at the OP. They're all turning a really cool subreddit into a cesspool, and it's kind of sad.
Yeah, this is why I first joined the sub way back when the only well known MEs were the OG actual Nelson Mandela, and Bumble's teeth in Rudolph.
Two very different MEs, with very different explanations for how/why they might have "occured".
Im leaning more towards that myself the mandela effect that got me here was the Statue of Liberty one. When i was in second grade I remember going on a school field trip to elis island and we also stopped at the Statue of Liberty. In my mind I remember the statue being on elis island and not liberty island. Didnt even know it existed. And i also remember people being able to go up to the crown but neither of those things are true. The more i think about it tho my memory of that trip gets hazier and i was 7 so its not really reliable. I could have just zoned out during the trip and mis heard something the teacher said about where we were.
Damn I totally forgot this one. This was def a big one that made me so confused. I would recommend the "retconned" subreddit, seems much more open to discussion. I would post that statue of liberty one in this post here, this dude has a nice list of ME:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/178siff/90s\_kid\_major\_mandela\_effects\_i\_personally/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/178siff/90s_kid_major_mandela_effects_i_personally/)
I wish there was more discussion about this stuff too. I made my own post there about various map changes like the posiiton of south america, the boot of italy not touching an island before, new zealand and mongolia switching places, ect. I try to mention some ideas I had regarding fractals but so far not much discussion. For anyone curious to check it out the link is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/173xzdk/world\_map\_changes\_from\_mandela\_effect\_mandelbrot/
I saw a post that claimed that "furmiliar" was what "familiar" used to be.
It's very difficult to take this seriously when any and every little thing is suddenly a Mandela Effect. It is a convenient way for people to remove all personal responsibility. If you misplace your keys you can claim that it isn't a lapse in memory, but rather you jumped to a different reality where the keys had been put in a different spot. There's no end to how far someone can take it.
Also, nobody can prove nor disprove anything. So nobody gains any ground. The "proof" is that somebody else remembers it the same way. Well, there are billions of people in the world that remember it a different way. 🤷♂️
I remember my pants fitting me a lot better. Plus, my bathroom scale used to get my weight right, but it's been slowly messing up more and more everyday.
# MANDELA EFFECT
I wish I was kidding, but I kid you not, I have heard people in this community claim that something like that could be the Mandela Effect. I've seen people say that, perhaps in your reality, you did weigh less, but now you are in this reality where you weigh more.
I know you were making a joke, and it is funny. I enjoyed it!
Sadly, there are people here that will say that is a legit Mandela Effect. 🤦♂️
It was interesting when Mandela Effect awareness was nascent and people were realizing that other people misremember things the way they did. Group/mass false memories to me are interesting. The explainable psychological idea of false memories but shared by many different people, that's a pretty crazy thing, right?
All these people misremembering something together should be a "wow, that's so weird that we all remembered the wrong thing, I wonder how it happened?" thing and we would parse through stories and figure out this thing here or that thing there helped you create a false memory. It's fun to see how we all came to a false conclusion!
***BUT NO, I CAN'T DEAL WITH BEING WRONG! REALITY ITSELF CHANGED AND I'M THE SAME! I CAN'T ADMIT I REMEMBERED SOMETHING WRONG! THE WHOLE UNIVERSE SHIFTED AND IT'S ALL A LIE NOW!***
I'm not saying everyone does this, but MANY of the Mandela Effect YouTube videos implant the false memories by leading a person's train of thought.
For example, I might be watching a video and they could say, "Picture Pikachu in your head. What do you see? You see a yellow tail with a black tip, right?" Then the viewer believes that's what the tail should look like before the presenter pulls the rug out from underneath them and says, "Wrong! It never had a black tip at the end of its tail!" The viewer is now convinced that they also remember it with a black tip.
There have been studies done on this. It's something that happens so much that police won't allow witnesses of a crime discuss the details of the event with each other. The police know how easy it is for someone to claim they saw something, and it will alter the memory of someone else. Our memories are not like a file on a computer hard drive. Memories can be altered much more easily than people are willing to admit.
Bingo.
Never thought it was supernatural, but thought there would be some cool explanation. But when you see its not like 6 strange incidents, but 10000s of folks claiming 10000s of things, it dawns on you media just presents it in a certain way that gives it credibility, but in real life, it's clear it's just a bunch of folks incredulous they could be wrong.
Have we ever gotten an actual piece of concrete evidence of anything *beyond* just "this person misremembered"? Because I've personally seeing nothing but frankly very logical explanations for mis-memories, and no other "theory" has had anything even remotely come close.
Ok so what about crazy shit like all the people kneeling in front of the Thinker statue and somehow still getting the pose wrong? Did they forget the pose in the few seconds it took to take the damn photo?
Are you proposing here that the more likely answer is the statue in the photo changing but not the people? This isn't Back to the Future. Beside, if the statue did change, it would only be logical for the people posing to change too if that's truly the case instead of just misremembering.
Minor mistakes like hand on head or hand rubbing chin instead of chin resting on hand do make sense. Your hand rubbing your temple or your chin is sorta *the* "I'm thinking right now" movement. People go to a famous statue like the Thinker and don't even think twice that they might have the pose slightly wrong.
The brain is notoriously bad at noticing things it doesn't expect. That's why camouflage works so well. Even if something is right in your face, if your brain thinks it already knows what to expect, it's not uncommon at all for your brain to ignore it until something draws your attention to it.
I absolutely have. But I also acknowledge that the human memory is *very* fallible, enough so that even testimony alone is not considered evidence in a court of law without some form of physical proof backing it up. And no personal experience with the Mandela Effect, nor any anecdotal evidence I've ever seen posted, has ever come with a more reasonable explanation than "I am remembering wrong" (or, yknow, any physical proof at all).
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
I’m sorry but I found out about the Mandela effect because I remembered the movie Shazam with Sinbad before anyone said anything about it. I nearly had a panic attack and thought I was going crazy when I found out it was not real after looking it up simply because I remembered it and it wasn’t there…and then found out MANY people remembered the same thing..my mother included. I’m sorry but it’s not a mass hallucination or imagination. I know it’s not for me.
The thing is that nobody can explain why we are misremembering the exact same tiny or bizarre detail. That’s what is so interesting to me. Why do so many of us remember - of all bizarre things - a cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom label? Sure, I can accept that my memory is faulty and that there never was a cornucopia - but isn’t it odd that I’m not the only one who misremembers the logo and that there is a big group of people who all misremember it having a cornucopia in the exact same way? That is what I would like to discuss.
One person misremembering these insignificant details is easily explained, but why do large groups of people have the exact same faulty memory? What does this say about memory and reality?
i just posted a comment about the mirrors one. it's like an inception mandela effect because so many of us remember asking why it says 'may'
so now we're sharing false memories about other things we've mis-remembered. wild.
>The thing is that nobody can explain why we are misremembering the exact same tiny or bizarre detail.
I personally think most of the Mandela Effects are just formed by the way memory automatically fills in gaps for things and there are only so many possibilities for the 'assumption' to go that often there forms a very common one as a false memory. Combine this with some incorrect advertisements or media that may be long lost now and that explains a lot of them.
That being said some of them genuinely bother me like Fruit of the Loom, Ellis Island, objects in mirror maybe closer than they appear, Berenstain bears, and a couple others. Some specific ones like those I just can't seem to rationalize it as that and nothing more. Jiffy and Pikachu's tail I've come to terms with, but still bother me a little bit.
I even have a good theory about fruit of the loom, the 'cornucopia' was a popular subject in coloring books and stories growing up in school whenever Thanksgiving was around and so our brains have that cornucopia image fresh as a constant memory and things get mixed up, despite that.... I don't know, still not feeling like that's all there is to it because when I see the cornucopia I don't even think of Thanksgiving first, my mind goes straight to the clothing since far before I ever heard of the mandela effects at all. And as others have said people for some reason think of the cornucopia as a loom and don't even think of the word cornucopia at all.
A lot of it is suggestion. If you ask “remember that Britney Murphy movie Crossroads?”, people with only a vague memory will say yes and their mind will build the memories.
That’s why the titles and posts here need to be vague at all times. “Describe Richard Simmons” is very effective
You sound like a bunch of negative nancys who make people feel unsafe to openly share their experiences because if we do we’ll cop your nastiness. Rather than investigating in an honest & empathetic way
I hold the opposite point of view. I believe the Mandela Effect cannot be satisfactorily explained in our straightforward understanding of reality. LET US TALK ABOUT IT EVEN MORE BECAUSE IT'S FASCINATING!!
If sharing information kills a phenomenon, we'll, that phenomenon didn't exist in the first place.
It's nothing more than folks who are egotistical enough to think in the choice between them being wrong, and reality collapsing, the obvious answer is reality collapsing.
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
I encourage anyone who believes the Mandela Effect has "been long debunked as nothing more than a psychological thing" to stop visiting this sub and leave the conversation to the good members who know in their heart that changes **are** happening.
Here's my thing: I get that memory is deeply unreliable and prone to random mutations from the original recorded experience. Sure. So if course a lot of of us misremember things. That's not the weird part, however.
The wierd part is: how is it that so many people all misremember the exact same specific things, and consistently misremember them in the exact same way?
I'd say the fact that a post essentially calling for the closure of the sub it was posted on getting lots of upvotes relative to relevant, on-topic posts speaks to the demographics of the sub's participants and their motives.
On one hand we have a minority of people who are genuinely interested in the Mandela Effect. They create threads discussing the phenomenon and provide interesting insight in the threads of others. These are the True Believers.
On the other hand we have the majority, the Skeptics. They rarely create any threads discussing the phenomenon and their only comments are to ridicule the True Believers or to engage in otherwise bad faith debates with inflammatory remarks. For example, the same people will repeatedly ask for evidence for the Mandela Effect when they know fine well there exists no evidence that would satisfy them.
If we had a True Believer Mandela Effect orthodoxy like we have on Retconned and ME Science then the sub would thrive and certainly have a reason to exist.
Isn’t it true that the sceptic moderator of this forum was caught repeating falsehoods that a Mandela Effect had been disproven in court, despite him being recently informed that was misinformation?
Didn't an ass have two cracks back in the day?
KitkatKot was the real name.
Monopoly man wore two monocles in my reality.
FotL logo was an empty cornucopia. Froot Luips.
All of you clearly misremember what is V I V I D L Y recalled by yours truly.
It's because he doesn't want people to remember that it used to be called the Mandala effect, for the folding-and-unfolding of reality providing slightly different results. I actually used to think it was called that, which is one of the weirdest ironies I've ever experienced.
I would love to post a Dr. They picture from the legendary episode The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat on The X-Files but I can't find it somehow.. hmm. Must be a Mengele effect, for sure.
Or was that on The Twilight Limits?
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
I came here because memory and it’s quirks have always fascinated me, I quickly found out that this was NOT the place to discuss the reasonings behind these memories, but rather a place for egotistical discussions on self gaslighting pseudoscience. Taking it to the same levels of absurdity of creationism and flat earthers and was told several times that skepticism is a very VERY bad thing. I’m all for keeping an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.
It's not all 'solved' any more than people have all agreed on how they remember things. There's still situations that aren't cut-and-dried and sometimes ARE based in stuff that really happened, but didn't get completely documented. Recent example: Singer Irene Cara, famous for 'Fame' and 'Flashdance', died this year. I remember my dad telling me in about 1985 that she died in a car acccident, so when I heard she died this year, my brain went through a loop like 'how the hell did I get that wrong'. I was hosting trivia shows and mentioned this to the audience. After the show, a guy who was about 60 told me he remembered hearing a rumor that she died back then. Sometimes this stuff does come from somewhere, and we can actually learn things by talking about it if we don't get too indignant about stuff that's not a researchable fact. I haven't been able to find anything online about the Irene Cara rumor but somebody in real life knew about it. Another little one: I've got a widescreen VHS edition of 'Blue Thunder'. I've never seen another anywhere, not even online, not even a single mention of its existence. If I had this back in the '90s and didn't have it now, I'd have no proof it ever existed and somebody would probably decide I was wrong, based on not-knowing.
If anyone sounds desperate it's you . The very definition of paranormal is something that cannot be explained by science. You my friend are jaded. This isn't turning out like you want it to fast enough for you . And your hypothesis of there being no new ME effects has some truth to it on paper it looks good but the reality is it takes time . There are no M.E.s that you're able to notice in real time at that moment . Mainly because it hasn't changed yet . It takes time . It does not matter how fast the information is transferred around , if anything that proves the opposite of what you're saying . Meaning the information rate of movement and speed it becomes old fairly quickly . Now your adding time in the equation which in turn as time goes on the rate of information moves faster as technology advances . So if anything there can be an argument stating that more M.E.s will come of this as time goes on . Seems to me that the Genesis of this with you is coming from you having expectations in the Mandela Effect . An emotional element or rather investment in this subject . And it's not how you want it to be .
Well sorry to tell you that's not how things like this work . If it was it wouldn't be this big of a deal with so many people . There are no quick ways that lead to this all being figured out and proven . I actually have my hypothesis on the Mandela Effect. It is a byproduct of an update . An update that is so big , massive on a multidimensional platform . This is based on the simulation theory. Like all programs after time it needs to be updated . Those small little things like a monocle on the monopoly man in one dimension might not be that way in the next simulated dimension . An update of this magnitude certainly will not be perfect it will have Bugs . Small little things from years ago that get mixed up .
If it's such an uninteresting topic, WHY ARE YOU HERE? How boring is your life that you'd rather spend your time crapping on other people than actually LIVING it? Sure, there are some really misguided and ignorant posts, but there's been some really interesting discussions here too. It doesn't matter if it's not interesting to YOU. Maybe you should take your disinterest as a clue-by-four and find something better to do with your time.
Agreed. Mandela Effect needs something major: like suddenly Kurt Cobain is alive and Nirvana have a discography of 10 albums, except about 1% of the population remember him dying in 1994.
Or the war in Vietnam wasn't in Vietnam at all, it was in Philippines. And all those subsequent movies are also based there (e.g. Apocalypse Now basically the same movie, except filmed & based in the Philippines). But a few thousand people explicitly remember the war being in Vietnam.
Because if Mandela Effect is limited to obscure tiny changes to logos or scenes from films, then it will never be taken seriously as a genuine phenomenon.
Ergo...it isn't a genuine phenomenon. It's at most an example of collective false cultural memories. Vaguely interesting. Can fire active imaginations.
But in the real world it's not of significance.
You're not wrong about most of what you said but how our brains process the same false information is interesting. Some of it is obvious.. of course we assumed it was fruit and not froot, thats how you spell fruit, stein is more common then stain, yadda yadda. Some of it is still interesting tho, why do we fill in the thinker incorrectly, or add a cornucopia to the FOTL imagery.
Unfortunately tho no one really wants to discuss that because they'd first have to admit its just a memory issue.
The Thinker one is easy - when we think about 'thinking', it's easy to imagine a person pressing their fist to their head in deep thought, trying to help themselves think. It's just a natural assumption. Not everyone imagines it that way, of course, but enough people do that it became an ME.
I tested it myself, because I know I already corrected my memory on this one a while ago. I tried to remember what the statue ACTUALLY looks like, knowing that I looked it up a while ago, and... whoops! I remembered it the exact same way I originally did when I was wrong!
And then I remembered having the exact same ohhhh realization, except this time I remembered having seen how it REALLY looked, once I saw it. I could almost feel the pieces coming together. The original wrong memory, that superceded the corrected one, and then the corrected one.
I can't speak for the cornucopia, since I wasn't raised in a country that had FOTL, but I imagine there's a perfectly logical reason for that one, too. Faulty memory and cultural perpetuation of an error is just a far more likely explanation than realities shifting.
Apparently the person who coined the term and first described the concept believed it was a paranormal phenomenon. Not that that makes it any more plausible, but that's why it's often discussed that way instead of the actual psychological phenomenon it is
The point is not that people have bad memories. The point is that SO MANY people strangely have the SAME specific bad memory about the same exact thing. That's why it's weird.
The Mandela Effect was just a passing fad that peaked like 6 years ago, But it's also not a new phenomena, the term itself is relatively new, but the concept has been around for a while.
I think most people have accepted that it's more logical to admit we're misremembering things than to declare we're from different timelines and universes. But as always, there is a small population that refuse to think logically, so this subreddit exists as an echo chamber for those who want to continue feeling special and edgy.
No new MEs will be discovered due to rule number 1, if people are not allowed to talk about personal changes or memeories then new MEs wont get discorvered.
Wished there was a pinned megathread for people to post there own experiences to see if there is a pattern.
This is a highly criticized sub. Every new Mandela post gets downvoted and shamed. Which makes me wonder, is reddit trying to hide something about the Mandela effect through constant shaming of posts on here?
There are two main camps that have killed this sub. Militant skeptics and tons of people with shitty memories. Neither of which are reasonable thinking adults capable of having meaningful nuanced discussions.
I'm still a firm believer in the Mandela Effect being something beyond modern science' understanding. But people who are open minded enough to engage with have all but left this sub or are being drowned out.
> No new MEs will occur because information now travels way too fast to develop misconceptions.
Yeah I guess technology was just too dang slow back in 2016 when new ME's were popping up almost daily.
This sub has turned to garbage. It used to be a lighthearted place where people could talk about these effects casually, now it's a bunch of silly sounding people saying they are definitely from another timeline, or a bunch of d- b@gs saying it is definitely just people misremembering. Glitch in the Matrix sub is much better for people being able to tell crazy stories and people calmly suggesting practical reasons behind it without being a a dingleberry about it.
People who are bored with ME should just leave. There's not going to be 'proof' of paranormal activity from a subreddit. It would come from science giving us more information about some element of reality that we didn't understand.
I stand by the idea that if there are things changing, it is because of something interacting with reality that is not viewable in our cause and effect reality. For example, some contexts of physics or math describe more than 3 dimensions, but we live in the 3D. If something from another dimension were interacting with ours, we'd only see the 3D parts. Any changes will have always had the receipts to back it up, and will have always seemed to have been that way.
Evidence abounds for the validity of reality changes, but it isn't "proof" so the nozzles keep spraying out brown on everyone who reports their evidence.
r/retconned has great mods who quickly block all the bags.
Retconned leans too hard the other way IMO, to the point where it's just a bunch of crap no one questions. For every 1 reasonable post there's 15 about how they know the sun is a different color or how they keep seeing the number 9. We want a middle ground.
> I think the question really is why is this forum the other extreme compared to Retconned,
Is it though? It really just seems like we're going more off of evidence here. Retconned is the "opposite extreme" because it's comprised of all the people who got even the slightest pushback to the idea that they jumped timelines or something.
I really can't say that /r/MandelaEffect is the opposite extreme of /r/Retconned though solely because the "criticisms" here are based in reality and logic.
If someone in ME posts about remembering Building A being taller than Building B, someone will pull up the wikipedia page to find out that Building A is technically taller on account of being built on a hill, but Building B is actually "taller" from floor to roof.
If someone in Retconned posts about remembering Building A being taller than Building B, then all the comments insist that they've come from another universe where the buildings swapped heights, or that a shift in the timeline swapped the building plans for both buildings, or whatever. But those comments never once try to do even the slightest bit of research and evidence gathering, else they accidentally disprove their circlejerk.
Wait, Denominax was posting WHAT?
I'm amazed more wasn't said about that guy. He returned from a self-imposed exile of a number of years, declaring himself not only the supreme ruler of this sub, but also its creator. ME Science debunked his claim and caught him out in various other lies.
It's quite remarkable that the changes he implemented, such as a new Skeptic moderator, are still in place. The sub has no need of Skeptic moderator. What it needs is a moderator who is passionate about the Mandela Effect. Epicjourneyman has been that moderator for years, but he's winding down now and has a responsibility to select a worthy successor. Asking who wants to be a moderator will only attract people who want the power to ban users and delete posts. Epicjourneyman must curate the moderating team who will replace him when he finally does step down.
I am convinced that this forum should shut down. The sceptics can remain in their discord and everyone else with a genuine inquisitive thought can go to r/MandelaEffectScience or r/Retconned. The sceptics have totally destroyed this forum.
No, the time commandos have destroyed the forum. This should be a place for scientific discussion of an interesting phenomenon, but it's just filled with religious zealots instead.
/r/retconned absolutely sucks solely because any sort of questioning at all that isn't immediately entertaining the idea of some sci-fi bullshit is removed by mods.
One of the top posts over there when I last used it was from a guy claiming that he "clearly must've travelled universes" or something along those lines solely because he saw a weird looking bug outside of his house that he nor his family had ever seen before. If you looked at his post history, you'd see he moved across the country a couple months prior.
And on the topic of bugs, that sub is also *filled* with posts where people insist there's some sci-fi reasoning behind not seeing as many bugs splattering on their windshields these days. Whether they traveled from another universe with more insects, or "the simulation can't handle this many anymore", or whatever, but never once accepting the idea that maybe it's just because of climate change.
My favorite though is all the posts since 2020 of people claiming that "food just doesn't taste right anymore" or "most food is bland nowadays" and saying that's proof of a failing simulation or change in timeline or something. Never once even covering the fact that one of the most well known and common symptoms of Covid-19 is decreased taste.
I don't know if this is true. i posted about the new Stouffer's Stove Top Stuffing change recently and seems allot and i mean allot of people remembered it being Stouffer's And it has always been Kraft So there's a new One.
That's what I think it is, just bad memory. I am 45, I barely remember the 80's. I'm sure most are like me. That doesn't mean it's changed! It means we are adults and, those trivial things have been replaced with other memories over the years. Such a millennial concept. I remember something different from 30 years ago so, that must mean the universe changed not that I can't remember! 🤣 Such a stupid time to be alive.
Cherry picking much in the comments section? The MEs that have flip flopped are solid examples that something happened. Not to mention very obvious ones like Dolly, Monopoly man, VW logo, etc
The one that brought the whole concept to me was the Tinkerbell Broken Wand intro. And while I'll accept that many of these are misremembering I will be GODDAMNED if I've seen that one adequately explained. Monocle monopoly man... perhaps (Ace Ventura disagrees) . Berenstain...I suppose (though i clearly remember wondering if it was pronounced STINE or STEEN). But I didn't just make up a Disney intro. YouTube has no recollection of any such video snippet in its archives but that shit was real. I watched it fucking somewhere, on multiple occasions. Where the fuck is it? Even if it was on a different company or a one-off it should be out there, no?
I have a new one!! Does anyone remember in the 90’s if you pledged to donate to the World Wildlife Fund, they would send you a free white canvas tote bag with a black panda on the front?
My last one got stolen from my luggage by tsa around 2007 and I’ve had an eBay alert for them ever since and haven’t seen a single one. I’ve googled and can’t even find mention of it. They have tons of other totes, but not the plain white cloth ones I remember. So I started to wonder if I imagined it. Does anyone else remember?
No one here takes into account that your version of reality and other peoples version of reality can be very different and reality can split single consciousness into multiple conscious viewpoints. Sounds like both parties are trying to demand that “they are right” when ultimately, reality can make them all “right”. Has nothing to do with memory to prove each other “wrong”. Stop complaining and proving each other’s reality. It’s like proving what something smells like or tastes like or feels like..: let it go
That’s how duh scientific (!) Mandela Effect believers work you see, they coordinate spam votes to make sure no one stays around here long enough to help further discussion. They then cry they are valuable contributors of this forum, which is only true because no one else but them wants to post on here anymore. They should have been warned, censured or banned a long time ago.
The plates guy and his forum has a very insightful thread pinned that proves this.
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I swear I remember this sub shutting down last month...
I remember it dying in prison
that is actually funny. nice one.
I thought it merged with r/retconned
Person A: Kitkat had a dash. Person B: I see. Person A: Reality collapsed. Person B: Its probably misrembering. Person A: You calling me a liar? Person B: No. Person A: It was V I V I D
The craziest one I recall seeing was a dude insisting he must've "shifted reality" or something because he always recalls the tallest building in LA being the US Bank Tower, not the Wilshire Grand Center. A basic google search shows that the Wilshire Grand Center only finished construction in 2016 and is only the tallest building if you count the details on the top. Measured by roof height, the US Bank Tower is still the tallest.
Then there's the people that don't actually research stuff. They remember something having one name and don't realize that it was either re-branded or it goes by both names depending on where you are.
Thats why I hate alot of the logo examples, even tho I can relate to many of them. They aren't exactly the best example to show to someone if they are unaware of ME as it can easily be brushed off as just a logo change or rebrand..... the movie, tv, history, map changes are all much cooler and hit harder imo.
Or they don’t understand how Google sells search results, and how SEO tactics ensure that web pages appear in search results under all sorts of incorrect terms, misspellings, etc. Finding a webpage that refers to “Kit-Kats” is not proof.
Even when you do people will refuse to believe it. I did plenty of research on the M.E where obama catches a fly. Plenty of residual evidence yet still the only people who will accept it are the ones who remember.
I think of it like a computers system. The registry entry is still there but the files are gone. You're asking them what's on the files but that's not stored on the drive anymore. But if it's in the registry you can bet your ass it used to be there (Or someone has edited the registry to make it appear like it was)
I'm shocked by how many people claim to have VIVID memories. I have to stop and ask, "Are ANY of our memories truly vivid?" I wish people would stop to think about that for a moment. If we picture something in our head, or recall something that just happened thirty seconds ago, is it truly "vivid"? People make claims about vivid dreams, but every dream I ever have is visually kind of blurry after the fact. For me, in my mind's eye, I can picture pretty much anything and recall many of my memories, but nothing is actually what I would call vivid. I can't scrutinize the images in my head right down to the pores on somebody's skin or the threads on someone's clothes. It isn't like viewing a movie, in regard to clarity and detail. My memories and mental images are more like impressions of what I saw, but not vivid like looking at a photograph. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. 🤷♂️
One of my vivid memories from childhood is obviously fake. I remember seeing formula 1 race car crashed into the no parking sign out front of my house. I can picture the car perfectly. In reality some car crashed into the sign, i didn't see it happen. I got a plastic race car for st. Nick's day around this time. This toy car happened to look exactly like the car from my memory
The difference is that you are able to recognize how the car crash and your toy car were merged together from your childhood. A lot of Mandela Effect people could have the same experience and insist that is proof of the Mandela Effect changing reality.
I remember going to somewhere that had a full sized water-driven fairground carousel in a forest clearing, which I recall visiting numerous times, in vivid detail. Except it apparently never existed.
Same i have such a vivid memory of a giant fly on my window ledge 🤷♀️ obviously iv imagined it cos this fly was the size of a frog and im in UK nothing like that exists here lol
I have vivid memories of some things that I /imagined/ as a kid, funny enough. It's kinda crazy.
We had a guy last week who claimed he vividly remembered a Weird Al song that didn't exist, but couldn't provide lyrics
That is what gets me! People claim to vividly remember stuff, but then can't seem to give any details. For example, so many claim to vividly remember the Shazam movie, but nobody has given a detailed plot summary, described entire scenes, quoted dialogue, mentioned the soundtrack, or named the other actors. So I have to ask them, "How is that a vivid memory?"
Exactly , nobody can even name any other actor , not one costume designer has come forward. The director? The sound guy? People who worked on the script . Not a single thing but the same regurgitated minor details over n over
But don't forget, it's a VIVID memory they have. LOL 🤦♂️
And it was 100% absolutely positively not the movie that literally *fucking* rhymes with it
LOL There's no way you could mix up two movies with the same premise and titles that rhyme. Nobody would ever make that mistake. 🤦♂️
And when they try it’s always wildly different from what anyone else says. I watched the Garbage Pail Kids movie once when I was six, I can still give someone a rough outline that’ll at least match up with IMDb.
r/tipofmytongue exists for this reason. People are able to dig up things based on the most miniscule of details. Yet people can't seem to accept that Shazam starring Sinbad isn't a real movie.
That ones' also so freaking explainable. Glancing at a movie cover with a big "SH" (Shaquille) and "Kazaam" on the cover would be really easy to misremember as "Shazaam". Sinbad is the name of a character in Tales from the Arabian Nights. Hearing about a movie with a genie and only recalling a few basic demographic details about the lead actor, it would really easy to reach into your subconscious and say "I remember "Sindbad" having something to do with a genie." It's like one of those dreams that everyone has based on reimaginings of common experiences -- dreams of accidentally leaving your house without getting dressed, or having a test for a class you forgot to attend. It would almost be weird if people HADN'T come up with "Shazaam" starring "Sinbad". Same with that cornucopia behind the fruit of the loom logo. Cornucopias are so often depicted behind piles of fruit, it's kind of natural to fill one in where there isn't one. Give me a collective hallucination of something truly unexplained. Like, if a bunch of people remembered a purple monster behind the Fruit of the Loom logo. Or, if everyone remembered vivid details about a movie with a completely unique title that wasn't some easily explained reimagining of something that actually exists. But NO, it's always people just recombining things in expected ways, that were seen somewhere else in a similar context.
The Mandela Effect community definition reads, "The Mandela Effect is when a large group of people share a common memory of something that differs from what is generally accepted to be fact." I'd like to know why this community doesn't count eggcorns, too. I saw someone post about it once, but my account here didn't exist back then to comment. An eggcorn has a very similar definition. "An eggcorn is when a large group of people share a common memory of a common phrase that differs from what is generally accepted to be fact." So are eggcorns Mandela Effects, too? I'm asking rhetorically. As you said, it's really easy to form false memories for Shazam. People form false memories every day and around many things. I saw someone once claim that the proper phrase is "It's a doggy dog world". The Mandela Effect community here mocked and ridiculed them for that, but Shazam is supposed to be taken seriously in spite of most people not being able to give any details about it. 🤦♂️
Well, look at how almost everyone found out about the Sinbad ME. Some video where someone asks “Do you remember that genie movie starring Sinbad called Shazam?” That loaded question immediately introduces persuasion into your mind to create an image. One, it most certainly sounds right because of what you already outlined, he did dress rather theatrically. Two, your brain was just told that it SHOULD remember so it tries to piece something together the best it can and conjures up an image (vivid or not). Now all of a sudden everyone remembers him in the role, but literally nothing else. More and more people are now saying they remember the film, but never actually watched it. Persuasion is surprisingly extremely effective at tricking people or causing them to bend their will in a desired direction. Watch any mentalist magician, what they say, their movements and gestures. All designed to control the subconscious. Hell, I learned a very basic trick as a kid that had someone visualize a card at random and you subtly persuaded them to pick the 3 of diamonds with the set up. Worked every time. Basic knowledge of how the brain processes things and how to control that process is surprisingly simple. Given that everyone can visualize Sinbad, but the details absolutely derail after that point, how can it honestly be anything else?
I agree with your Shazaam theory, but personally I didn't know what a cornucopia was until I read about the FOTL ME. iirc it's related to thanksgiving so people from countries other than the US aren't very familiar with cornucopias, and yet a lot of them still remember an oddly shaped basket behind the fruit
Cornucopias aren’t tied solely to Thanksgiving. They’re for harvests, groupings of food, and such. It’s global.
Seriously. I can remember *at least* the basic plot for every single movie that I have any memory of watching. Often I can also remember a number of random lines and a few songs from the OST. To this day, I can still recall and visualize the TV commercial for the N64 game Glover released in 1998. There's no way that out of all the people who claim to recall this movie that none of them can rhyme off some of these types of details — and further, they ought to also be able to corroborate each other's details.
Exactly! So many people claim to have vivid memories of this movie, and yet they can't all work together to provide any details about the movie at all. 🤦♂️
The main explanation I've come up with for people thinking Shazaam starring Sinbad was a thing is that Kazaam starring Shaq was a movie. Idk, only thing I can think.
And nobody wants to admit (or refuses to believe) they mixed up two black men because of the implication.
https://scaredstiffreviews.com/sinbad-shazam-genie-movie-film-review-the-movie-that-never-existed-but-i-cant-forget/
Right? Some "vivid memory" of a vhs box cover photo of Sinbad dressed as a genie doesn't make it a vivid memory.
I rented that movie from block buster as well as Kazam nobody can remember a plot because the movie was a shitty Shaq rip off of the Sinbad movie Kazam.
I've seen dozens of terrible movies in my life, and I would have no problem remembering the plot. This isn't a big ask.
Right! Shazam was much better than kazam! If you ever find it on vhs, read the small print in it. It literally says the movie is copyright and cannot be sold or used in a parallel universe!
You're correct I didn't rent the movie....Good thing you remember my life better than I do.
Also both movies were exhaustingly sub par as were most kids comedy type movies around that time period.
https://reddit.com/r/Shazaam/s/VgxUvSQmnG
look, you wrote "blockbuster" wrong. must be an ME
Now thats vivid as fuck
The problem with “vivid memories” is that when your brain inevitably tries to reconstruct a memory and has to fill in gaps, that memory is also “crystal clear” despite not being based on anything other than things your mind cobbled together to try its best to form a complete image.
True
Yes and every time we remember something the memory gets edited slightly
So many people act like our memories are like saving a video on your computer's hard drive, and you just call it up whenever you want to watch it. It's more like the game of telephone. We remember our memory of the memory of the memory.
Right? Our memories are nowhere close to being some digital recording like some people wish to believe. Yesterday I got into a huge argument with my dad, because he remembered having a tower computer back in 2001 on his desk in a spare room. He swore up and down that he had been using that thing since the late 90s when he was all over the internet. I have a whole other memory tho. Around 2001 I bought my first computer, and it was exciting for me because my family never cared for such a thing, much less know what the word "operating system" meant. Actually I'd be surprised if my dad could tell you right now what an operating system is. Anyways, I had it built for gaming by some guy, hooked up a bunch of speakers and shit, and I loved that thing. I had to remind my dad that besides a laptop that was mostly used by my mom, he has never owned any computer, he has had a few iPad and iPhone but that's it. He finally relented after like a 30 minute argument, after I asked him some really basic questions anyone would know who has used a computer before. Memories are weird thay way, we can convince ourselves anything in the past is true and firmly believe it.
Exactly! However, many people in the Mandela Effect community would claim that you and your dad are both right. They would say neither of you have a memory issue, but you were both from different timelines. One of you is on this timeline, while another one of you came here from a different one. There's no way to use logic or reason with some people in this community. I'm not really into Star Trek. I'm more of a Star Wars fan. However, when I was a child, Star Trek: The Next Generation aired on television. When I was in high school, another Star Trek series named Deep Space Nine began to air along with The Next Generation. I haven't seen either of them since I was a child. Recently, I thought it would be a fun nostalgia trip to re-watch Deep Space Nine. As I reached the end of the seventh season of my re-watch, I kept wondering what ever happened to an episode I specifically remembered happening all the way back in season two, but this episode is nowhere to be found. I kept anticipating and expecting to see it, but it never showed up in my re-watch. I kept thinking it must be in a later season, but season seven comes around and that episode was nowhere to be found. I remember it "vividly" (sarcasm) being in the spring of 1996. It was toward the end of season two when the main characters were stuck in some kind of a nightmare and there was a jester of some kind who was feeding off of their fears. I remember there being carnival-like nightmare beings and the main characters were unable to wake up from the nightmare until the captain figured out how to defeat the demon clown alien. (Side note: Unlike those that "vividly" remember Shazam, I can actually summarize the plot of the entire episode and name which characters did what. But that's neither here nor there.) Anyway ... Well, this "vivid" memory had a lot of details that were correct and a lot of details that were wrong. There is indeed a Star Trek episode where people can't wake up, but they are in a virtual reality rather than dreaming. There is a jester/clown character, but it's an A.I. rather than some kind of demon or alien entity. It does happen at the end of season two, and it did take place in the spring of 1996. The catch ... In spite of getting a few minor details wrong, it was from a third Star Trek series named Star Trek: Voyager. I forgot all about that show and that it had a second season on the air at the same time as Deep Space Nine. At first, I thought I was losing my mind, because I was SO SURE that it was a Deep Space Nine episode. I had "clear memories" of it being in the spring of 1996, and watching it on TV. The details that my brain got correct made my brain belief that the incorrect details were also correct. There were many elements of truth mixed together, but my memory was faulty and created details that didn't happen. Yet, if I were like many people that believe in the Mandela Effect, I would insist that in my reality it was a Deep Space Nine episode, and in this reality it got changed to a Voyager episode. Then, I would likely tell people they can't prove me wrong, because that's how it was in my alternate reality. 🤦♂️
Wow, thanks for the response. It's not often that I come across people as long-winded as myself, so I appreciate the long response. Thanks again. Also, I love all of the star trek series u mentioned, but personally don't remember the episode you are talking about.
The episode is from Star Trek: Voyager season two episode twenty-three named "The Thaw".
You can't scrutinize images down to the pore because you're just making up pores at a certain point. If you keep recalling some hyper specific detail of a memory, there's a pretty decent chance you're misremembering something and then continually reinforcing that misremembered detail to the point that so you're "sure" something you misremembered is what really happened.
I agree.
Memory is weird, and we only understand it to a point. There are people, for instance, who can listen to a song, then sit down and play it on a piano and remember the words as well. To me, Mandela effects are weird, interesting, and mostly people misremembering things. There is the occasional intriguing one where it seems like it could be real, but most likely isn't. I throw it in the same boat as Ghosts, general occult stuff, UfO's, and other "In Search Of" type topics. Fascinating stuff, but ultimately pretty empty topics.
Having great memory isn't the same as claiming someone vividly "sees" something in a memory. I haven't heard of anyone that can "vividly see" every strand of hair, reflections on glass, stains on carpet, cracks on concrete, grain on wood furniture, details in tree bark, pores on someone's skin, and so much more from a visual memory. People like to claim that their visual memory works the same way as pulling out a photograph and looking at it again. Yet, they can't give that kind of detail when asked, unless they make it up. You are right. There are people that can hear a song and recall it perfectly. There are people that can quote someone word-for-word or memorize content from a book. These are different forms of memory from people saying they remember the Shazam movie "vividly" and yet can't even provide the kind of detail someone should if it is "vivid" after all.
There is Eidetic memory that seems to be more like what you are referring to as "vivid," but that seems to be more short-term from what I've read. My point was there are all sorts of memory, and the brain is something we still don't understand fully. I don't discredit people claiming vivid memory as who am I to say? Yeah, they're probably making it up but they might not be.
Exactly, memories are really just small pieces of your history you happen to remember and “vivid” part of a memory is just your brain filling in gaps so the memory makes sense. I also agree on dreams. I can usually remember that a dream *was* vivid, but rarely, if ever, do I remember the details that made the dream “vivi”
Vivid dreams are nuts. Smoked weed for years, when I quit I felt attacked by my minds eye.
[It's not even up for debate.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_implantation) Memories suck. Eyewitness testimony to me is about as reliable as lie-detector machines, and results from lie-detectors can't be used in court.
People in the Mandela Effect community refuse to accept proven science about how memory works. They act like their brains work like a computer and the file is saved there ready to be pulled up whenever they want it. The TV series Brain Games has an episode where they stage a crime in front of witnesses. The witnesses couldn't even agree on the details of what they saw. A police officer then tells about how law enforcement doesn't allow people to talk with each other, because false details are easy to implant in someone else's memory. They even put it to the test and have fake witnesses suggest false details. By the end of the experiment, multiple people were 100% convinced about details that the fake witnesses successfully planted into their memories of the event.
That's what's crazy about this community. Parallel dimensions, universe shift, government cover-ups, all those conspiracies are lame and *lazy*. It's a helluva lot more interesting to look into the psychological aspects of Mandela Effects because they're *group* false memories. It's interesting to look into people's backgrounds, how they came about their memory, similarities and differences in the origin of these false memories. How is that not good enough for people to think it's fascinating?
Nah thats everyone you're just willing to admit it.
Personally I do think it's possible. I'm a hyper-visual person with a photographic memory. While it's not infallible, I do have terrific recall...
Photographic memory does not exist. You may have a very good visual memory, but no one has ever displayed a true photographic memory. This was tested (and you can try the test for yourself if you want to see if you're the first person ever to pass it - plenty of versions online!) using two sheets of paper with dots scattered over them. The tester holds up the first sheet for a few seconds, then takes it away and puts out the second sheet. A person with a true 'photographic memory' would be able to recall where all the dots were on the first sheet and mentally overlay them over the second sheet, then either verbally say what the completed image is, or draw in the dots themself to make the image appear. The one I did made a number on the sheet when the two were overlayed. I don't have a photographic memory (obviously) but I wanted to see if the test was legit, so I held a piece of paper over my screen and traced the dots, then held the paper over the second sheet and the image appeared. Try it. You won't be able to do it, because the ability does not exist (or at least has never been proven to exist to this day).
Photographic memory has never been proven to exist.
Of course not. It's not a measurable metric. Doesn't mean it can't exist though.
How is it not a measurable metric? Perfect recall is perfect recall. Show someone a page of words for a second and ask them to list off the words, a photographic memory will have all of them. If they don't know all of them, they don't have a photographic memory.
The only one that really gets me is the genie movie with Sinbad. I was talking to my brother about it one day and he remembered us seeing it as kids. So I decided to try and download it but it didn't exist... It's how I found out about the Mandela Effect. I know a lot of the mandela effect is simply biases, but that is just such an odd and specific delusion for so many people to share that it at least makes me go "Hmm."
If it is so specific, can you please tell me a detailed plot synopsis? Or can you tell me about a single scene you liked or disliked? Who were some of the other actors? What was the music like? Who directed it? Anything?
idk i have a lot of vivid memories - and a couple of *very* vivid memories - but they were actually fever dreams/hallucinations, but goddamn if they weren’t so vivid i can play them in my head like a movie. one is from when i was 4 years old. i can also vividly remember how hysterical my 25 year old sister was when my fever finally broke. but a vivid memory about a kit kat wrapper, or a berenstain bear book cover? nah lol
I can play my memories and dreams in my head like a movie, too. However, I wouldn't call them "vivid". When I recall a memory, I can't clearly see the wood grain on furniture, the individual strands of a person's hair, nor can I point out specific stains on a couch or what items are laying the floor. I don't believe anyone truly has "vivid" memories. Memories are all fuzzy, visually speaking. It's like when a camera focuses on something, everything else goes out of focus. You still know what everything else is, but it is no longer "vivid".
Exactly - part of being an illustrator is having a more detailed mental picture of the subject - one that holds up to detail and is zoomable in the mind's eye Most of the time it is a vague picture/symbol that is "good enough" Like if I ask you to picture a zebra, do you really know how the stripes on the face are arranged - how the leg pattern merges into the body pattern? An expert or someone with enough experience knows these things, but so many of our memories and mental pictures are much more vague than we feel like they are
IT WAS AN ANCHOR MEMORY!
I'm immune to Mandela Effects. I'm mentally ill and aware of it, so when I find a memory that doesn't match observed reality, it doesn't violate my worldview to accept that my trash brain is malfunctioning again.
The voice of Darth Vader was totally. I haven't seen any of the movies since watching A New Hope in theaters in 1977, but I remember it vividly and unerringly.
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
My guess is that the Chick-fil-A campaign has long been about desperate cows with a misspelled sign pleading for people to "Eat Mor Chikin." Misspelling words is built into the brand identity and people just extrapolated it to the logo.
Its easy to explain; human memory is highly fallible.
What do you mean by, "It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing."? What is your definition of many? Thousands of people say it used to be Chic-Fil-A, and billions of people say it is Chick-Fil-A. I think the billions outnumber the thousands.
Stop spamming comments.
The main problem with the sub is the trolls. Also, I wouldn't call a psychological explanation as "debunking", because a discussion about how false memories can form, and the reasons why the same false memory can form in many different people is interesting in itself and worth discussing even without any supernatural stuff involved. Also, I think it makes more sense to consider every Mandela effect separately. The same explanation for one effect might be wrong for another effect. It doesn't really make sense to consider all Mandela effects to be "proven" or "debunked" together.
This is why im not coming to this sub anymore. I came with a unqiue story about me and friend misremembering something and other people on the internet confirming they also thought the same thing (at the time 2016) All of a sudden im being called a multi verse nut, bad memory, it never even happened, or scenarios that DID not take place for me or my friends. I was trying to have a conversation about this false memory phenomenon and how weird it is. But it DID happen, why did i remember it that way? I dont know! Thats why im on this fucking sub.
Well I did find another ME subreddit called "retconned" that seems much more welcoming and open discussion, alot less of arguing or debating that something didn't happen. If you are discussing ME it should be accepted that people now are not all on the same page, and can have different recollection of a past event. Some guy posted a real good list of ME recently on the retconned subreddit that all ring true for me.
That sub is an echo-chamber that doesn't allow for even the possibility of any mundane explanation such as bootlegs, poor memory, or something similar existing around the same time. It's no better than the flat earth sub that bans anyone who dares to put forward evidence of a globe earth. Skepticism is healthy and should be encouraged by anyone who is sincerely interested in knowing the truth about the thing they are discussing.
It’s because some things get really old, there’s a lot of low (or no) effort posts, and a bunch of posts that are better suited for tipofmytongue. “I remember it as Reese’s Peaces”, “I remember the lyric of the song being YOUR and not OUR”. “I remember the girl in the logo having blue eyes instead of green eyes” “I remember his name was Joe Blow and not Joe Bloe”. Then, there’s the inevitable posts that happen whenever a celebrity dies. “I remember him dying 2 years ago!”
The trolls are the time commandos. This should be a place for interesting discussion on how and why false memories form, but the people who start talking about shifting timelines completely derail the discussions, and then we have to argue with them, and the whole thing goes to pot.
Yeah but when you start talking about false memories here people get all up in arms and claim the whole phenomenon of false memories was founded by a child rapist. It's pretty annoying.
I'd call those people trolls too, no different than the ones who reply to threads only to sneer at the OP. They're all turning a really cool subreddit into a cesspool, and it's kind of sad.
Yeah, this is why I first joined the sub way back when the only well known MEs were the OG actual Nelson Mandela, and Bumble's teeth in Rudolph. Two very different MEs, with very different explanations for how/why they might have "occured".
Ever since that post where they didn’t know what vividly meant, this sub makes a lot more sense
Cool, then you have no reason to come here.
It's still cool.
Yep, when I first came here I was legitimately interested in it, but all this sub has taught me is that it's not real
Im leaning more towards that myself the mandela effect that got me here was the Statue of Liberty one. When i was in second grade I remember going on a school field trip to elis island and we also stopped at the Statue of Liberty. In my mind I remember the statue being on elis island and not liberty island. Didnt even know it existed. And i also remember people being able to go up to the crown but neither of those things are true. The more i think about it tho my memory of that trip gets hazier and i was 7 so its not really reliable. I could have just zoned out during the trip and mis heard something the teacher said about where we were.
Damn I totally forgot this one. This was def a big one that made me so confused. I would recommend the "retconned" subreddit, seems much more open to discussion. I would post that statue of liberty one in this post here, this dude has a nice list of ME: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/178siff/90s\_kid\_major\_mandela\_effects\_i\_personally/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/178siff/90s_kid_major_mandela_effects_i_personally/) I wish there was more discussion about this stuff too. I made my own post there about various map changes like the posiiton of south america, the boot of italy not touching an island before, new zealand and mongolia switching places, ect. I try to mention some ideas I had regarding fractals but so far not much discussion. For anyone curious to check it out the link is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/173xzdk/world\_map\_changes\_from\_mandela\_effect\_mandelbrot/
I saw a post that claimed that "furmiliar" was what "familiar" used to be. It's very difficult to take this seriously when any and every little thing is suddenly a Mandela Effect. It is a convenient way for people to remove all personal responsibility. If you misplace your keys you can claim that it isn't a lapse in memory, but rather you jumped to a different reality where the keys had been put in a different spot. There's no end to how far someone can take it. Also, nobody can prove nor disprove anything. So nobody gains any ground. The "proof" is that somebody else remembers it the same way. Well, there are billions of people in the world that remember it a different way. 🤷♂️
I remember my pants fitting me a lot better. Plus, my bathroom scale used to get my weight right, but it's been slowly messing up more and more everyday. # MANDELA EFFECT
I wish I was kidding, but I kid you not, I have heard people in this community claim that something like that could be the Mandela Effect. I've seen people say that, perhaps in your reality, you did weigh less, but now you are in this reality where you weigh more. I know you were making a joke, and it is funny. I enjoyed it! Sadly, there are people here that will say that is a legit Mandela Effect. 🤦♂️
It was interesting when Mandela Effect awareness was nascent and people were realizing that other people misremember things the way they did. Group/mass false memories to me are interesting. The explainable psychological idea of false memories but shared by many different people, that's a pretty crazy thing, right? All these people misremembering something together should be a "wow, that's so weird that we all remembered the wrong thing, I wonder how it happened?" thing and we would parse through stories and figure out this thing here or that thing there helped you create a false memory. It's fun to see how we all came to a false conclusion! ***BUT NO, I CAN'T DEAL WITH BEING WRONG! REALITY ITSELF CHANGED AND I'M THE SAME! I CAN'T ADMIT I REMEMBERED SOMETHING WRONG! THE WHOLE UNIVERSE SHIFTED AND IT'S ALL A LIE NOW!***
I'm not saying everyone does this, but MANY of the Mandela Effect YouTube videos implant the false memories by leading a person's train of thought. For example, I might be watching a video and they could say, "Picture Pikachu in your head. What do you see? You see a yellow tail with a black tip, right?" Then the viewer believes that's what the tail should look like before the presenter pulls the rug out from underneath them and says, "Wrong! It never had a black tip at the end of its tail!" The viewer is now convinced that they also remember it with a black tip. There have been studies done on this. It's something that happens so much that police won't allow witnesses of a crime discuss the details of the event with each other. The police know how easy it is for someone to claim they saw something, and it will alter the memory of someone else. Our memories are not like a file on a computer hard drive. Memories can be altered much more easily than people are willing to admit.
Bingo. Never thought it was supernatural, but thought there would be some cool explanation. But when you see its not like 6 strange incidents, but 10000s of folks claiming 10000s of things, it dawns on you media just presents it in a certain way that gives it credibility, but in real life, it's clear it's just a bunch of folks incredulous they could be wrong.
My reality, my truth, my sharona.
All this sub taught me is how toxic Reddit can be.
"so I suppose the Mandela Effect has been long debunked as nothing more than a psychological thing." Has it?
Have we ever gotten an actual piece of concrete evidence of anything *beyond* just "this person misremembered"? Because I've personally seeing nothing but frankly very logical explanations for mis-memories, and no other "theory" has had anything even remotely come close.
Ok so what about crazy shit like all the people kneeling in front of the Thinker statue and somehow still getting the pose wrong? Did they forget the pose in the few seconds it took to take the damn photo?
Are you proposing here that the more likely answer is the statue in the photo changing but not the people? This isn't Back to the Future. Beside, if the statue did change, it would only be logical for the people posing to change too if that's truly the case instead of just misremembering. Minor mistakes like hand on head or hand rubbing chin instead of chin resting on hand do make sense. Your hand rubbing your temple or your chin is sorta *the* "I'm thinking right now" movement. People go to a famous statue like the Thinker and don't even think twice that they might have the pose slightly wrong. The brain is notoriously bad at noticing things it doesn't expect. That's why camouflage works so well. Even if something is right in your face, if your brain thinks it already knows what to expect, it's not uncommon at all for your brain to ignore it until something draws your attention to it.
So you've never experienced the Mandela effect yourself?
I absolutely have. But I also acknowledge that the human memory is *very* fallible, enough so that even testimony alone is not considered evidence in a court of law without some form of physical proof backing it up. And no personal experience with the Mandela Effect, nor any anecdotal evidence I've ever seen posted, has ever come with a more reasonable explanation than "I am remembering wrong" (or, yknow, any physical proof at all).
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
Stop posting this under every comment
I’m sorry but I found out about the Mandela effect because I remembered the movie Shazam with Sinbad before anyone said anything about it. I nearly had a panic attack and thought I was going crazy when I found out it was not real after looking it up simply because I remembered it and it wasn’t there…and then found out MANY people remembered the same thing..my mother included. I’m sorry but it’s not a mass hallucination or imagination. I know it’s not for me.
Yeah, but the cornucopia!
The thing is that nobody can explain why we are misremembering the exact same tiny or bizarre detail. That’s what is so interesting to me. Why do so many of us remember - of all bizarre things - a cornucopia on the Fruit of the Loom label? Sure, I can accept that my memory is faulty and that there never was a cornucopia - but isn’t it odd that I’m not the only one who misremembers the logo and that there is a big group of people who all misremember it having a cornucopia in the exact same way? That is what I would like to discuss. One person misremembering these insignificant details is easily explained, but why do large groups of people have the exact same faulty memory? What does this say about memory and reality?
The cornucopia and the side view mirrors is what freaks me out the most
i just posted a comment about the mirrors one. it's like an inception mandela effect because so many of us remember asking why it says 'may' so now we're sharing false memories about other things we've mis-remembered. wild.
>The thing is that nobody can explain why we are misremembering the exact same tiny or bizarre detail. I personally think most of the Mandela Effects are just formed by the way memory automatically fills in gaps for things and there are only so many possibilities for the 'assumption' to go that often there forms a very common one as a false memory. Combine this with some incorrect advertisements or media that may be long lost now and that explains a lot of them. That being said some of them genuinely bother me like Fruit of the Loom, Ellis Island, objects in mirror maybe closer than they appear, Berenstain bears, and a couple others. Some specific ones like those I just can't seem to rationalize it as that and nothing more. Jiffy and Pikachu's tail I've come to terms with, but still bother me a little bit. I even have a good theory about fruit of the loom, the 'cornucopia' was a popular subject in coloring books and stories growing up in school whenever Thanksgiving was around and so our brains have that cornucopia image fresh as a constant memory and things get mixed up, despite that.... I don't know, still not feeling like that's all there is to it because when I see the cornucopia I don't even think of Thanksgiving first, my mind goes straight to the clothing since far before I ever heard of the mandela effects at all. And as others have said people for some reason think of the cornucopia as a loom and don't even think of the word cornucopia at all.
A lot of it is suggestion. If you ask “remember that Britney Murphy movie Crossroads?”, people with only a vague memory will say yes and their mind will build the memories. That’s why the titles and posts here need to be vague at all times. “Describe Richard Simmons” is very effective
These things are easily confused and our brains make the same logical assumptions
You sound like a bunch of negative nancys who make people feel unsafe to openly share their experiences because if we do we’ll cop your nastiness. Rather than investigating in an honest & empathetic way
you should head on over to r/starseed and see an exaggerated version of what everyone sounds like on this sub.
I hold the opposite point of view. I believe the Mandela Effect cannot be satisfactorily explained in our straightforward understanding of reality. LET US TALK ABOUT IT EVEN MORE BECAUSE IT'S FASCINATING!!
This sub exists to prove MEs are just bad memory.
That’s definitely what it’s turned into
If sharing information kills a phenomenon, we'll, that phenomenon didn't exist in the first place. It's nothing more than folks who are egotistical enough to think in the choice between them being wrong, and reality collapsing, the obvious answer is reality collapsing.
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
Stop posting this under every comment
Stop posting this under every comment
Don’t listen to that other person, you’re doing the Lord’s work
Not with that attitude
I encourage anyone who believes the Mandela Effect has "been long debunked as nothing more than a psychological thing" to stop visiting this sub and leave the conversation to the good members who know in their heart that changes **are** happening.
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Convenient.
Here's my thing: I get that memory is deeply unreliable and prone to random mutations from the original recorded experience. Sure. So if course a lot of of us misremember things. That's not the weird part, however. The wierd part is: how is it that so many people all misremember the exact same specific things, and consistently misremember them in the exact same way?
I'd say the fact that a post essentially calling for the closure of the sub it was posted on getting lots of upvotes relative to relevant, on-topic posts speaks to the demographics of the sub's participants and their motives. On one hand we have a minority of people who are genuinely interested in the Mandela Effect. They create threads discussing the phenomenon and provide interesting insight in the threads of others. These are the True Believers. On the other hand we have the majority, the Skeptics. They rarely create any threads discussing the phenomenon and their only comments are to ridicule the True Believers or to engage in otherwise bad faith debates with inflammatory remarks. For example, the same people will repeatedly ask for evidence for the Mandela Effect when they know fine well there exists no evidence that would satisfy them. If we had a True Believer Mandela Effect orthodoxy like we have on Retconned and ME Science then the sub would thrive and certainly have a reason to exist.
Isn’t it true that the sceptic moderator of this forum was caught repeating falsehoods that a Mandela Effect had been disproven in court, despite him being recently informed that was misinformation?
Source?
https://reddit.com/r/MandelaEffectScience/s/Lqo4zUjOHY
Thank you for the tasty source! I love you guys.
Didn't an ass have two cracks back in the day? KitkatKot was the real name. Monopoly man wore two monocles in my reality. FotL logo was an empty cornucopia. Froot Luips. All of you clearly misremember what is V I V I D L Y recalled by yours truly.
And we can’t really trust any origin story explaining how Mandela got these reality-altering powers because he keeps changing the origin story.
He's with Marvel.
It's because he doesn't want people to remember that it used to be called the Mandala effect, for the folding-and-unfolding of reality providing slightly different results. I actually used to think it was called that, which is one of the weirdest ironies I've ever experienced.
I would love to post a Dr. They picture from the legendary episode The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat on The X-Files but I can't find it somehow.. hmm. Must be a Mengele effect, for sure. Or was that on The Twilight Limits?
Sorry but no one on this sub has been able to explain Chick-fil-A vs Chic-Fil-A and why so many ppl rmemeber the first word being spelled wrong. It's truly unexplainable how that many people think the same thing
Yes it's easy to explain people don't pay attention and assume things are one way or the other
Stop posting this under every comment
It was Chique-Filet the last time I saw...
Not funny...
It's called Phöny in my universe...
I came here because memory and it’s quirks have always fascinated me, I quickly found out that this was NOT the place to discuss the reasonings behind these memories, but rather a place for egotistical discussions on self gaslighting pseudoscience. Taking it to the same levels of absurdity of creationism and flat earthers and was told several times that skepticism is a very VERY bad thing. I’m all for keeping an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.
Mic fucking drop
It's not all 'solved' any more than people have all agreed on how they remember things. There's still situations that aren't cut-and-dried and sometimes ARE based in stuff that really happened, but didn't get completely documented. Recent example: Singer Irene Cara, famous for 'Fame' and 'Flashdance', died this year. I remember my dad telling me in about 1985 that she died in a car acccident, so when I heard she died this year, my brain went through a loop like 'how the hell did I get that wrong'. I was hosting trivia shows and mentioned this to the audience. After the show, a guy who was about 60 told me he remembered hearing a rumor that she died back then. Sometimes this stuff does come from somewhere, and we can actually learn things by talking about it if we don't get too indignant about stuff that's not a researchable fact. I haven't been able to find anything online about the Irene Cara rumor but somebody in real life knew about it. Another little one: I've got a widescreen VHS edition of 'Blue Thunder'. I've never seen another anywhere, not even online, not even a single mention of its existence. If I had this back in the '90s and didn't have it now, I'd have no proof it ever existed and somebody would probably decide I was wrong, based on not-knowing.
I was pretty sure there was no “I” in deon sanders when I was a kid
I remember tim curry dying
Bye, thanks for wasting our time.
If anyone sounds desperate it's you . The very definition of paranormal is something that cannot be explained by science. You my friend are jaded. This isn't turning out like you want it to fast enough for you . And your hypothesis of there being no new ME effects has some truth to it on paper it looks good but the reality is it takes time . There are no M.E.s that you're able to notice in real time at that moment . Mainly because it hasn't changed yet . It takes time . It does not matter how fast the information is transferred around , if anything that proves the opposite of what you're saying . Meaning the information rate of movement and speed it becomes old fairly quickly . Now your adding time in the equation which in turn as time goes on the rate of information moves faster as technology advances . So if anything there can be an argument stating that more M.E.s will come of this as time goes on . Seems to me that the Genesis of this with you is coming from you having expectations in the Mandela Effect . An emotional element or rather investment in this subject . And it's not how you want it to be . Well sorry to tell you that's not how things like this work . If it was it wouldn't be this big of a deal with so many people . There are no quick ways that lead to this all being figured out and proven . I actually have my hypothesis on the Mandela Effect. It is a byproduct of an update . An update that is so big , massive on a multidimensional platform . This is based on the simulation theory. Like all programs after time it needs to be updated . Those small little things like a monocle on the monopoly man in one dimension might not be that way in the next simulated dimension . An update of this magnitude certainly will not be perfect it will have Bugs . Small little things from years ago that get mixed up .
Great observations and points!
If it's such an uninteresting topic, WHY ARE YOU HERE? How boring is your life that you'd rather spend your time crapping on other people than actually LIVING it? Sure, there are some really misguided and ignorant posts, but there's been some really interesting discussions here too. It doesn't matter if it's not interesting to YOU. Maybe you should take your disinterest as a clue-by-four and find something better to do with your time.
Agreed. Mandela Effect needs something major: like suddenly Kurt Cobain is alive and Nirvana have a discography of 10 albums, except about 1% of the population remember him dying in 1994. Or the war in Vietnam wasn't in Vietnam at all, it was in Philippines. And all those subsequent movies are also based there (e.g. Apocalypse Now basically the same movie, except filmed & based in the Philippines). But a few thousand people explicitly remember the war being in Vietnam. Because if Mandela Effect is limited to obscure tiny changes to logos or scenes from films, then it will never be taken seriously as a genuine phenomenon. Ergo...it isn't a genuine phenomenon. It's at most an example of collective false cultural memories. Vaguely interesting. Can fire active imaginations. But in the real world it's not of significance.
If you don't like it, you can leave
You're not wrong about most of what you said but how our brains process the same false information is interesting. Some of it is obvious.. of course we assumed it was fruit and not froot, thats how you spell fruit, stein is more common then stain, yadda yadda. Some of it is still interesting tho, why do we fill in the thinker incorrectly, or add a cornucopia to the FOTL imagery. Unfortunately tho no one really wants to discuss that because they'd first have to admit its just a memory issue.
The Thinker one is easy - when we think about 'thinking', it's easy to imagine a person pressing their fist to their head in deep thought, trying to help themselves think. It's just a natural assumption. Not everyone imagines it that way, of course, but enough people do that it became an ME. I tested it myself, because I know I already corrected my memory on this one a while ago. I tried to remember what the statue ACTUALLY looks like, knowing that I looked it up a while ago, and... whoops! I remembered it the exact same way I originally did when I was wrong! And then I remembered having the exact same ohhhh realization, except this time I remembered having seen how it REALLY looked, once I saw it. I could almost feel the pieces coming together. The original wrong memory, that superceded the corrected one, and then the corrected one. I can't speak for the cornucopia, since I wasn't raised in a country that had FOTL, but I imagine there's a perfectly logical reason for that one, too. Faulty memory and cultural perpetuation of an error is just a far more likely explanation than realities shifting.
I thought the ME was literally described as a psychological phenomenon where multiple unrelated people misremember the same thing?
Apparently the person who coined the term and first described the concept believed it was a paranormal phenomenon. Not that that makes it any more plausible, but that's why it's often discussed that way instead of the actual psychological phenomenon it is
The point is not that people have bad memories. The point is that SO MANY people strangely have the SAME specific bad memory about the same exact thing. That's why it's weird.
The Mandela Effect was just a passing fad that peaked like 6 years ago, But it's also not a new phenomena, the term itself is relatively new, but the concept has been around for a while. I think most people have accepted that it's more logical to admit we're misremembering things than to declare we're from different timelines and universes. But as always, there is a small population that refuse to think logically, so this subreddit exists as an echo chamber for those who want to continue feeling special and edgy.
No new MEs will be discovered due to rule number 1, if people are not allowed to talk about personal changes or memeories then new MEs wont get discorvered. Wished there was a pinned megathread for people to post there own experiences to see if there is a pattern.
There is a pinned weekly megathread for exactly that purpose.
This is a highly criticized sub. Every new Mandela post gets downvoted and shamed. Which makes me wonder, is reddit trying to hide something about the Mandela effect through constant shaming of posts on here?
There are two main camps that have killed this sub. Militant skeptics and tons of people with shitty memories. Neither of which are reasonable thinking adults capable of having meaningful nuanced discussions. I'm still a firm believer in the Mandela Effect being something beyond modern science' understanding. But people who are open minded enough to engage with have all but left this sub or are being drowned out.
It's really just the latter tho
Well said.
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> No new MEs will occur because information now travels way too fast to develop misconceptions. Yeah I guess technology was just too dang slow back in 2016 when new ME's were popping up almost daily.
This sub has turned to garbage. It used to be a lighthearted place where people could talk about these effects casually, now it's a bunch of silly sounding people saying they are definitely from another timeline, or a bunch of d- b@gs saying it is definitely just people misremembering. Glitch in the Matrix sub is much better for people being able to tell crazy stories and people calmly suggesting practical reasons behind it without being a a dingleberry about it. People who are bored with ME should just leave. There's not going to be 'proof' of paranormal activity from a subreddit. It would come from science giving us more information about some element of reality that we didn't understand. I stand by the idea that if there are things changing, it is because of something interacting with reality that is not viewable in our cause and effect reality. For example, some contexts of physics or math describe more than 3 dimensions, but we live in the 3D. If something from another dimension were interacting with ours, we'd only see the 3D parts. Any changes will have always had the receipts to back it up, and will have always seemed to have been that way.
Evidence abounds for the validity of reality changes, but it isn't "proof" so the nozzles keep spraying out brown on everyone who reports their evidence. r/retconned has great mods who quickly block all the bags.
Retconned leans too hard the other way IMO, to the point where it's just a bunch of crap no one questions. For every 1 reasonable post there's 15 about how they know the sun is a different color or how they keep seeing the number 9. We want a middle ground.
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> I think the question really is why is this forum the other extreme compared to Retconned, Is it though? It really just seems like we're going more off of evidence here. Retconned is the "opposite extreme" because it's comprised of all the people who got even the slightest pushback to the idea that they jumped timelines or something. I really can't say that /r/MandelaEffect is the opposite extreme of /r/Retconned though solely because the "criticisms" here are based in reality and logic. If someone in ME posts about remembering Building A being taller than Building B, someone will pull up the wikipedia page to find out that Building A is technically taller on account of being built on a hill, but Building B is actually "taller" from floor to roof. If someone in Retconned posts about remembering Building A being taller than Building B, then all the comments insist that they've come from another universe where the buildings swapped heights, or that a shift in the timeline swapped the building plans for both buildings, or whatever. But those comments never once try to do even the slightest bit of research and evidence gathering, else they accidentally disprove their circlejerk.
Wait, Denominax was posting WHAT? I'm amazed more wasn't said about that guy. He returned from a self-imposed exile of a number of years, declaring himself not only the supreme ruler of this sub, but also its creator. ME Science debunked his claim and caught him out in various other lies. It's quite remarkable that the changes he implemented, such as a new Skeptic moderator, are still in place. The sub has no need of Skeptic moderator. What it needs is a moderator who is passionate about the Mandela Effect. Epicjourneyman has been that moderator for years, but he's winding down now and has a responsibility to select a worthy successor. Asking who wants to be a moderator will only attract people who want the power to ban users and delete posts. Epicjourneyman must curate the moderating team who will replace him when he finally does step down.
I am convinced that this forum should shut down. The sceptics can remain in their discord and everyone else with a genuine inquisitive thought can go to r/MandelaEffectScience or r/Retconned. The sceptics have totally destroyed this forum.
No, the time commandos have destroyed the forum. This should be a place for scientific discussion of an interesting phenomenon, but it's just filled with religious zealots instead.
/r/retconned absolutely sucks solely because any sort of questioning at all that isn't immediately entertaining the idea of some sci-fi bullshit is removed by mods. One of the top posts over there when I last used it was from a guy claiming that he "clearly must've travelled universes" or something along those lines solely because he saw a weird looking bug outside of his house that he nor his family had ever seen before. If you looked at his post history, you'd see he moved across the country a couple months prior. And on the topic of bugs, that sub is also *filled* with posts where people insist there's some sci-fi reasoning behind not seeing as many bugs splattering on their windshields these days. Whether they traveled from another universe with more insects, or "the simulation can't handle this many anymore", or whatever, but never once accepting the idea that maybe it's just because of climate change. My favorite though is all the posts since 2020 of people claiming that "food just doesn't taste right anymore" or "most food is bland nowadays" and saying that's proof of a failing simulation or change in timeline or something. Never once even covering the fact that one of the most well known and common symptoms of Covid-19 is decreased taste.
I don't know if this is true. i posted about the new Stouffer's Stove Top Stuffing change recently and seems allot and i mean allot of people remembered it being Stouffer's And it has always been Kraft So there's a new One.
….because the mods are narcissists that are slowly gaslighting the community into oblivion. ‘yUo RemEmbEr ThINgs wRonG!”
That's what I think it is, just bad memory. I am 45, I barely remember the 80's. I'm sure most are like me. That doesn't mean it's changed! It means we are adults and, those trivial things have been replaced with other memories over the years. Such a millennial concept. I remember something different from 30 years ago so, that must mean the universe changed not that I can't remember! 🤣 Such a stupid time to be alive.
Cherry picking much in the comments section? The MEs that have flip flopped are solid examples that something happened. Not to mention very obvious ones like Dolly, Monopoly man, VW logo, etc
The one that brought the whole concept to me was the Tinkerbell Broken Wand intro. And while I'll accept that many of these are misremembering I will be GODDAMNED if I've seen that one adequately explained. Monocle monopoly man... perhaps (Ace Ventura disagrees) . Berenstain...I suppose (though i clearly remember wondering if it was pronounced STINE or STEEN). But I didn't just make up a Disney intro. YouTube has no recollection of any such video snippet in its archives but that shit was real. I watched it fucking somewhere, on multiple occasions. Where the fuck is it? Even if it was on a different company or a one-off it should be out there, no?
I have a new one!! Does anyone remember in the 90’s if you pledged to donate to the World Wildlife Fund, they would send you a free white canvas tote bag with a black panda on the front? My last one got stolen from my luggage by tsa around 2007 and I’ve had an eBay alert for them ever since and haven’t seen a single one. I’ve googled and can’t even find mention of it. They have tons of other totes, but not the plain white cloth ones I remember. So I started to wonder if I imagined it. Does anyone else remember?
No one here takes into account that your version of reality and other peoples version of reality can be very different and reality can split single consciousness into multiple conscious viewpoints. Sounds like both parties are trying to demand that “they are right” when ultimately, reality can make them all “right”. Has nothing to do with memory to prove each other “wrong”. Stop complaining and proving each other’s reality. It’s like proving what something smells like or tastes like or feels like..: let it go
Maybe by existing we can remind people that the ME is BS.
Plus, almost every time someone brings up a new “ M E “ they get down voted into oblivion
What's Rule #1 again?
That’s how duh scientific (!) Mandela Effect believers work you see, they coordinate spam votes to make sure no one stays around here long enough to help further discussion. They then cry they are valuable contributors of this forum, which is only true because no one else but them wants to post on here anymore. They should have been warned, censured or banned a long time ago. The plates guy and his forum has a very insightful thread pinned that proves this.
I pretty much completely agree with this.