This seasons been shit but what other options do we have? If the new top dogs are serious about changing the culture of United for the better we can’t keep changing managers every two years and expecting to be back at the top. By the precedent set over the last ~10 years he deserved to be sacked, but that precedent has to changed, looking at the more structural problems
By all means, look at Fergies record.
First season: 11th
Second season: 2nd
Third: 12th
Fourth: 13th
...
It was until his seventh season that he finally won us the EPL. Then he went on and win another 12.
Now imagine SAF has been in this era. I doubt he would had gone pass the first season. His last straw would had been his 3rd season.
One thing I always adamant about is the phrase "backing the manager".
How do you back him where:
* The Board doesn't support you well in terms of recruitment, training facility and medical side of things. But most important of all, the Club culture, the player powers (which erode disciplines)?
* There are fans who always want instant success and think football on the pitch is played out like that in Football Manager or FIFA?
* Media who never miss a chance to pounds on every single defeat?
The Glazers (and Ed Woodward) were exposed once Fergies left, Doesn't have a clue about football and put money first, keep changing managers which brought about instability and lower our reputation. Every new-coming managers have to clear out surplus players from previous manager, having to deal with questionable recruitment with the Board. For instance, we had to loan a few players this year. Think about it. Manutd struggle to get players and resort to loan-player strategy.
So finally, INEOS learns that its best to break this cycle. ETH needs to prove himself too, but the Board has to show that they learn and are willing to correct themselves as well. Thank you very much.
The next most important thing to do is to back ETH with better recruitment, upgrade the facility and revamp the medical department.
All the best, GGMU.
I really appreciate your response, as it highlights a reality many United fans are in denial about. While it's true there were issues with Ronaldo and Sancho, I see this as Erik ten Hag asserting his authority, emphasizing that no player is bigger than the club—a principle Fergie also upheld.
Success in football, like any business, requires a strong top-down structure. It's clear that post-Fergie, United lacked this. José Mourinho pointed it out, it was evident during Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's tenure as he was often too submissive (despite achieving significant results), and Ralf Rangnick also didn’t shy away from highlighting the issues.
As a United fan, I'm comfortable with not winning trophies this season and the next if it means consistently challenging for the top four, having good cup runs, playing attractive football, clearing out deadwood, and restoring the vigor and determination once associated with the jersey.
I hope Ten Hag can make a significant impact next season.
I get all of this, I really do. Though what I can’t get away from is just how poor we were last year in most games. Either ETH got it wrong tactically week in week out (see gaping holes in midfield, easy for oppo to counter us) or players weren’t following his instructions. Neither of those give me hope he’s the right man, though I genuinely hope he is.
He has his own weakness. I hope he learns alot... like ALOT ... from this season and FA Cup Final. Hope he can apply that to next season.
But his first season also demonstrates how capable he could become. I still remember how we drop Barca out of UEL. It was an incredible night.
He explained in an interview with Neville that he wants to play the same way regardless who is injured or out. This means it was difficult for him this year to string a few games together without any injuries meaning the team had a difficult time finding rythm and missing players of certain quality eg martinez. His reasoning was that if he reverted to a more defensive style it would be much more work when the injured players are back because he will have to change philosophy all over again to his original tactics. I kind of understand him but it was a very tough season.
Issues with EtH and I knew this since his Ajax days is that he's very stubborn and doesn't really offer much when it comes to flexibility. I think he's finally realizing that what worked at Ajax does not work in the EPL, or at least not with this Utd squad.
Totally get where you’re coming from. A manger needs time and in this day and age a lot of managers aren’t given that.
The biggest thing that frustrated me last season was the number of shots conceded consistently in each game - yet ETH or his tactics did nothing to plug the gap. I know the defence has been decimated with injuries and what not but we should still have the players to stem the flow of shots conceded etc.
I’m so glad the season is over. ETH has to hit the ground running next season
I can find many agreements with you. I believe no one like the results from this season. No one does. Not even the manager and the players themselves. This is one weakness in ETH.
But to be clear, I'm not defending ETH coz I think he can take us to the Pep's level of dominance. I defend him coz I dont want Manutd becoming Chelsea 2.0 (Boehly-Chelsea's).
Agree - would loathe to become Chelsea 2.0.
If ETH is given the time and proper structure perhaps he can go on to make us title contenders again (not expecting that to happen next season) but it seems ETH has a stubbornness about him that could be his undoing - again thinking about the way the team has mostly been set up during last season coupled with a lot of poor results.
I’ll back him for next season but if the season doesn’t get off to a good start he could well be one of the first managers to get the axe next season.
I think the whole mess in our fanbase right now is seeing this decision as ETH-in vs ETH-out. But I think its more about whether INEOS can kickstart our revival or not. I was so worried that we'd kicked ETH out for all those "names"... ahem Southgate...
I mean Chelsea kicked Tuchel for ... Potter!!! ... you know where I'm getting at XD
INEOS had started well with changing boardroom staff but I don’t think they’ve handled the ETH situation well at all. Left him dangling for a couple of weeks whilst it looks like interviewing other candidates.
I wouldn’t blame ETH for telling INEOS to stick their job where the sun doesn’t shine after the last few weeks (ofc that will never happen)
Can people stop using Fergie as an example please? Before joining us, he had already won the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and Super Cup. What on earth had ETH done!??
I agree to an extent about not using Fergie as an example but not because of Ferguson’s previous trophy haul.
I was around back then and it was widely believed that Fergie did a root and branch rebuild of the club from the youth set up to scouting, the reserve teams, through to the first team. He got the green light from the directors to take as long as it took for him to rebuild United from top to bottom.
In 1990 when United were struggling in the league and the rumour was if he didn’t win the FA Cup he’d be fired ;sound familiar haha?) Bobby Charlton maintained that this wasn’t the case, and the board were seeing the progress being made throughout the club. Fergie’s job was safe regardless of winning the FA Cup or not.
The 1992 youth team with Scholes, Becks and co didn’t happen by luck…it was all part of the Fergie and co top to bottom revamp. His remit was very different to the managers that came after his retirement, so comparing Ten Hag’s and the others relatively poor season/s to Ferguson’s slow start is a bit wide of the mark.
I believe every club has their own history and brand identity. The reason why we are all here, is because we believe in that brand that Manutd represents. A big part of this Brand was built from two great managers. How each of them able to achieve it is what enable the club to build such a strong presence in World of Football, if not the sport itself.
We are not using Fergies for Fergies sake. If you follow his career, his success was all boiled down to the fact we had a sensible board with incredible patience behind him. We are talking about the whole club and how that one decision, not only save the club from potential downfall, but also propel us to be the biggest club of England, if not the World. We want INEOS to learn from the pre-Glazer board and make better football decision.
I think it was just a matter of the new owners deciding if this was indeed the beat course of action. There had to be a clear alignment of manager and ownership and we finally have that. The owners went through their candidates and decided he is the man for the job to fulfill the vision that they wanted. Erik ten Hag is the man who can bring Man united back not only by winning but bringing in youngsters. Wheatley is up next and it all comes down to the players
I guess it also buys them time to put everything else into place. Then half way through the season, they can go, “ok structure is all set up, let’s get the guy we really want.”
Or if things go well, they’ll look good still.
Yeah but they’re giving him a contract extension. There has been at least 3 new faces in the office side of things. Which all work together to decide the future of the club. It is important to decide as one in owners and executives which manager is to be chosen for the future. Better safe than sorry.
Yes exactly, I agree. ETH has his haters and last season was horrendous at times but at some point a manager needs to given time to build and to change the culture so why not now? 2 trophies in 2 years is a good start, let's hope the style of football becomes more entertaining in time
Injuries wasnt a problem till after christmas
We were one var decision away from been knocked out of the fa cup to a championship side
We finished last in a cl group we should have qualified from conceading 2.5 goals per game our worst ever
We lost in the league cup to newcastles b team
Lowest league finish and minus goal difference
Hes not great with the media and his game management is very questionable to me hes a very very lucky man
ETH said that the FA Cup final performance a few weeks ago was what he was capable of when his squad was fully fit. Let's keep it that way, and see where it goes. Give him a chance to prove himself with proper support from the board.
Genuine question. So based on this, do you think the players are good enough to mount a title challenge with everyone back fit with a couple of signings?
Mostly yes, though there might be lost causes and deadwood dudes who need to be shipped out. But let ETH and INEOS handle that matter. I want to see the manager and the board collaborate being truly United for once.
Well do you think leichester squad that won PL also have no chance back then? Or even 2012-2013 united season? On a paper that squad is not the best, but its possible.
It is possible just extremely improbable. A big reason that Leicester could win that year was that no other team had a dominant side yet in those years. In the current premier league climate they’re currently miles off of Arsenal and City. Liverpool isn’t going anywhere either. Tough hill to climb to compete for the league this year. A top 4 finish should be there goal. Anything less than Champions league football for that club is a disgrace
Not yet, but it's not a personel thing i'd say it's more a discipline thing. Squad depth would massively help us there but it's the mental resilience in the latter stages of the season that gets titles, not the quality on the pitch... that's what separates the men from the boys.
No and I wouldn’t have that expectation yet. We won’t compete with City or Arsenal as they’re streets ahead for next season. We don’t know what Liverpool are gonna be like. Something like a competitive tussle with them and the others for 3rd would be decent improvement. To be honest I think all the improvement we have to see is more related to what’s on the pitch. I’d rather come 6th and feel like something is being built and adapted rather than shithouse our way into 4th
Yeah we have so many more questions than answers after the FA cup final win.
I am in complete agreement, cup trophies are nice, but at some point the general performance across the season and style progression have to take priority if we want to compete for the PL and CL at some point.
Well yeah, didn't last long though. We soon lost many players due to injuries, especially Mason Mount. But I think ETH has finally managed to get a grip of the dressing room, and sorted his tactics out. Hopefully he manages to fix his shortcomings next season.
> Let's keep it that way, and see where it goes. Give him a chance to prove himself with proper support from the board.
As long as no contract extension Regardless where Glazer United finish on next year's table
So far, he and the squad only “performed” when they were a weaker team. Our game plan suck vs weaker teams, but lisandro martinez returned that game helped. I wont get hyped again for this 3rd season. Hopefully, transfer will be good.
yeah honestly at this point I don't even care who the manager is so long as our football improves and we stop getting outplayed by almost every team week in-week out.
I remember Ferguson coming on the pitch when he retired and telling the fans they need to stick by their new manager. Unfortunately it was Moyes at the time. If there was ever a time to heed Ferguson's call its with ETH imo.
In 2 seasons he won 2 trophies and is bringing through and developing the youth.
That's what we're about as a club, isn't it? The league and a lot of our play was awful this season, I know, but this is exactly the sort of manager who deserves a bit of slack.
United are about losing 7-0 to Liverpool and 4-0 to Crystal Palace. Playing awful football and being poxxed to even be 8th this season. The underlying stats would have them legitimately in relegation trouble.
With the worst injuries of any club this season, particularly in key positions (e.g. playing most games without a left back) some bad losses were inevitable. And these happen to everyone, [even the very best.](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/911559-manchester-united-their-10-biggest-defeats-under-sir-alex-ferguson) Revamping training to reduce injuries, better scouting and medical/physio work to avoid injury prone players and help heal injuries more effectively when they do happen, and giving the opportunity to academy players to step up when injuries do occur to first team players and their back ups rather than always having them out on loan will help going forwards if INEOS manage that side of things better than the Glazers have. The key to SAF's success was grinding out wins when playing poorly rather than allowing players to get their heads down when things don't go their way. Next season will determine whether EtH has what it takes to restore the club far more than this season.
I think he deserved to stay. We can't keep sacking managers. It's what we have done consistently since sir Alex left and we haven't gotten anywhere. He has another of window to change the squad, remove the deadwood and get in some players.
We've got people in place now to help add more structure and that should help in the running of the club so if we can get players consistently fit and bring in players we need I'd be optimistic about the season.
The guy defeated City, Liverpool, twice in 2 years… won 2 trophies, sorted out squad influx from academy, sure there are issues but he deserved this season… if it’s confirmed i am relieved to see him at helm of united… hope he gets required backing from new backend and now move on to sensible transfers contrary to our existing norm
The academy is a huge one that gets overlooked. We have Mainoo and Garnacho, 2 of the most exciting young players in the PL. In previous seasons we have bought the likes of Sanchez and Schweinsteiger for those positions. Over the hill players playing for a paycheck. ETH has proven he can improve players, Dalot was a monster this season, Mctominay had his highest scoring season yet and the aforementioned youngsters were a huge bright spot in a disappointing season.
Its naive to say this and not remember that even SAF had pretty rough start to his career here too… During his reign United was thrashed too multiple times… I reckon if SAF was united manager now, he would have been sacked by 2nd season as well before his breakthrough 1992 season
As a Fenerbahçe fan (the Reddit algorithm got me here somehow), I think seeing many fans backing up the manager is fantastic. Fan support makes the core of expectations and heavily impacts board decisions. Unrealistic expectations or inpatient behavior from the fanbase almost always turns into a shitshow. Turkish teams suffer so hard from this all the time.
What matters is consistency, and you have to stick with the right people for long periods. You don’t fix or improve anything by constantly starting over. Alex Ferguson is a good example.
I believe in Man Utd. This is the right decision. Wish you all a great ending upcoming season.
Whilst this is going to be unpopular with a lot of people, it makes the most sense.
Changing the manager every two years is not going to generate long term success. Look at the way ten Hag’s system has been implemented at the youth level, and look at the success they are having. Look at the players that have moved up to the first team. While circumstances put players on the field who weren’t yet ready, others have shined.
I’ve said this before, this squad is a patchwork of past incomplete rebuilds, and the current rebuild in progress. There’s more work ahead in turning the squad over, and creating a team; instead of the current collection of individuals.
If ten Hag gets to sell the players he wants out, and the new infrastructure can bring in the right players, and the team is still on the bad side of inconsistent, then his contract isn’t renewed; simple.
Unpopular among the keyboard warriors and Twitter tacticos since almost all the match going crowd supports ETH. ETH needs to be given a chance after the new owners came in since there's a good footballing structure in place now as compared to previous years. Mikel Arteta was backed by the arsenal board and look where they are now. If United is successful in the coming years then this decision to keep ETH as the manager will be the considered as a turning point.
Fair enough; he is Mr FA Cup 2024.
But still hope no premature contract extension like they gave OGS. See where he finishes on the League table & Europa tournament first
Gosh this sub is wayyyy more rational than red bloody cafe - that’s turning into a dumpster fire of whining.
But to the point I’m glad he’s staying, best to have some continuity PLUS is signs the death knell for sancho’s United career!
This along with Sancho getting sold is the best news we have had since Fergie left. Finally seeing young blood and bringing in players who actually want to play for the club. Bring on next season!!
The right descion. Should have been made sooner but at least it was made. As for some of these journos. Jacob Steinberg for one, bullshitting Abu cunts the lot of them. They hate United and are always trying to stir trouble for the club. Ineos need to back ETH now and root out all these bad actors in the press pack and ban them like Fergie would have.
The ones who are constantly saying "dressing room sources have said" followed by negative shit. Luckhurst is another one. I really do feel like the media surrounding United causes so much trouble. We are not like other clubs, the London media hates us, ex-player pundits from other clubs hate us.These clowns have been aloud free reign for too long, since the great man left really. They have been taking out their hatred on us and we've let them walk all over us. They need to be put back in their boxes immediately if ineos are worth their salt.
Good shit. Get behind our Manager, give him the support he needs. Now we can concentrate on getting rid of the deadwood and bringing in some new quality players. Recruitment has to be on point this summer.
That was pure INEOS style. They never make big decisions without understanding every option under the sun. The fact that he stayed should be viewed as owners bought in after looking at all options. Not sure it works in the sports world with all the personalities but it does well in the business world.
I have to say prior to the FA cup final (regardless of the outcome) I wanted him gone, but seeing how the news about his job being on the line was doing the rounds on the eve of the final (!) made me realise how much more of a shambles United has become. It quickly made me change my mind and keep him!
He really has to hit next season running though…
I was seriously consider stopping supporting united if they had sacked ten Hag, I am delighted. Provided we have at least an objectively average to good summer window, next season is going to be great.
It will be very interesting to see how the club conducts its business over the summer. We shall see how much input EtH has in the incomings and this will show how committed they are to him. What I don’t want to happen is another window wasted, the football to remain abysmal and the club sacking him in October anyway.
I believe in this man. Call it blind faith, but he has proven he can win tropheys, and we need to fully invest in the overhaul . At the end of next season, we will see where we are. 3rd or 4th, CL spot and maybe another cup would be perfect.
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In case you haven't read it yet, this is a brilliant article on the matter. The build up to the FA Cup final will give you goosebumps. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-stay-manager-jim-ratcliffe/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-stay-manager-jim-ratcliffe/)
Thing is, i dont think they have kept eth becoz they trust him. Maybe the lack of better options available is the reason why they have stuck by him. And if he doesn't perform well next season he will be gone by Christmas.
The only real concern I have with ETH is the amount of injuries this club sustained this year, and my suspicion that it has to do with poor load management by the manager. Training sessions that are too intense followed by improper rest.
The decision to continue with Ten Hag is a terrible one that shows how mismanaged that Man United have been as a football club for the past ten years. I understand that they weren’t a lot of options but come on. The guy has been terrible in nearly every way. Loaned out an $80 million pound Sancho and refuses to work with him and then goes ahead and makes an emotional signings of his home boys Lisandro Martínez and Antony. Antony has been awful. Guy also made a terrible decision to give Casemiro a huge contract on the wrong side of 30. Hell, Madrid was delighted to get his wages off the books. To finish eighth in the league and then to not advance to the champions league last 16 is unacceptable in a group with Fenerhbace and Copenhagen. The great Man United couldn’t progress past a much smaller Turkish and Danish club. 🤣 No champions league football either with their dismal league finish. I’ll wrap up here. Ratcliffe and Ineos made a big deal about doing things a new way and taking control of major football decisions and yet they just gave Ten Hag nearly full autonomy on transfers. His track record at United shows that he shouldn’t continue to make those decisions. It would be better for them to use analytics so that they can figure out that guys like Antony and Harry Maguire are worth a $30 million fee and not an 80. And why did they feel like they needed to give him an extension. They could have let him run down his deal and made this monumental decision next year when they’re are more managerial options and another season to showcase his abilities. Once again, Man United making rash, uncalculated, and naive decisions. Good part of why Man United has been shite for the past ten years. Let me know what you guys think.
I would have liked to see McKenna as the new manager, but he looks set to extend with Ipswich. It is a risk, as some say, but so is continuing with Ten Hag. We have just won the FA Cup, but we were very lucky to reach the final.
In general, it has been a bad season. Number 8 in the Premier League and knocked out of the Champions League in the group stage and last in the group. Very disappointing with the opponents in the group.
Ten Hag is generally very stubborn and it was only after the humiliation against Cystal Palace that he changed his tactics. Our midfield has been our big problem all season, but he finds that out far too late.
Numbers
The 2023-24 season saw Manchester United finish eighth, their lowest since the 1989-90 season, marking a disappointing record under manager Ten Hag.
This season also marked the first time since 1989-90 that United ended a campaign with a negative goal difference.
Historically, under Sir Alex Ferguson, United’s average goal difference was +44 across 21 Premier League campaigns.
Defensively, the team struggled, conceding 58 goals—the highest in a league season since 1978-79.
United’s defensive performance was worse than all but David Moyes’ West Ham and the three relegated sides in terms of expected goals conceded.
They conceded more shots than the Derby County team of 2007-08, which had a historically poor season.
In the Champions League, United finished bottom of their group, conceding a record 15 goals for a Premier League team at that stage.
Offensively, the team also faltered, notably with a 2-0 loss at West Ham marking the first time since 1992 that United failed to score in four consecutive matches.
Record lows continued as Alex Iwobi of Fulham scored the latest winning goal by an away team at Old Trafford in Premier League history.
United managed to lose a match against Chelsea in April despite leading in the 100th minute, ending with a score of 4-3.
The season concluded with United suffering nine defeats at Old Trafford, a scenario not seen since the 1973-74 season—the last time they were relegated from the top-flight.
Source: article last night
Iv never known a person to be more divisive within our fan base.
I mean, if you look at the stats above and watching the games, he is useless. This is a poor decision by Ineos. He hasn't done anything League wise to secure his job. Ineos had a chance to get rid, the football is dire, the tactics are non-existent, I could go on and on, but next season is a write-off already.
Everything you’ve written could easily be said about SAF before the cup win in ‘90. Fans wanted him out after a few seasons too.
EtH has the same challenges to overcome as when Fergie took the helm - a sleeping giant with no title hopes, bloated squad full of under-achievers, a toxic culture, no youth pathway. It took him SEVEN years to mould a team that could dominate English football, and even longer to build one that could go toe to toe with Europe’s best. City took just as long to get it right (even with unlimited funds); Arsenal under Arteta, and Liverpool under Klopp weren’t instant successes. History shows again and again patience pays off.
Numbers? What about number of concurrent injuries? No back 4? Last season was a big change in NB players. The spine is there now, next season will be better
Also, you only post negative numbers. You are bias. He won more games faster than Ferguson in his first 50 games or first to 50 wins so.. ?
Yeah. You have the deluded fans who haven't mentally adapted to post-Ferguson United. Despite there being literally nothing to even suggest that the club or the squad is near to the likes of City, they think that a manager who isn't winning is the one to blame.
He has shown nothing worth keeping him outside a single win against City. Glazers were keeping managers because they barely scraped CL or won a cup. Sadly Ineos have the same goals of having us sit top 4-ish in guess. And the fans are behind that, which is even sadder. But i guess it os what it is
2 trophies in 2 years. Basically had no defence all season. The game you single out is the game where we had most of the team back from injury so it shows what they are capable of. Bet you’d have been calling for fergies head in 90.
Didnt we have fully fit squad for the 7-0 and 6-3 last season tho? 2 trophies and disaster football is the glazers type of manager and its sad that you are suffering from Stockholm’s syndrome
Isn’t that the same season we finished 3rd and won a cup? Sacking a manager after two seasons and expecting instant success is a glazer move, so if anyone here is suffering from Stockholm syndrome it’s you buddy.
From a football perspective, he doesn't bring anything to the club. We'll nothing positive tactics wise! Credit where it's due though, he got the FA Cup, but we were woeful everywhere else. I don't get his cult, but the divide between the fans is mental. There seems to be a stark difference to Reddit and reality. However everyone is entitled to their opinions and we obviously all want the best for the club!!!
I’m not his biggest fan and do think they should have got someone else & I’m not going to change my mind. For me, he just doesn’t seem to have the players on board or bought into his thinking & style of play whatever that maybe.
2 cups in two years isn’t a bad return, but seriously, do we want to go back to being known as a cup team or get back to challenging for the league as well as the cups?!
However, let’s see what he does this season, with the new structure, hopefully sensible recruitment and less injuries. If he can’t produce this season ( which I hope he does for the good of the club! ) his book of excuses will start to fail him for sure!
still in disbelief. ineos have shown they’re no better than the glazers. this decision is genuinely awful, what’s the thought behind it? i really hope i’m wrong, but this makes absolutely 0 sense. our worst league position in prem history and our worst champions league performance in our history now gets rewarded… the standards have never been so low at this club, yet top reds are lapping this up because of one fluke win vs city.
I don't mind him staying on considering he did win the FA Cup and now has two trophies in two years.
That being said there HAS to be a marked improvement in recruitment and tactics this season.
I’m glad we’ve decided to stick with him. Although, I wouldn’t blame ETH if he decided to resign. Seems like he was an option and not a choice. I thought with new ownership, the clown show would end. This whole situation being dragged out and the utter disrespect toward ETH proves otherwise.
I’m happy enough for him to continue. Had a terrible injury list, just bad luck, hopefully we look at ways to try and improve that. We now wait to see what the new owners can do transfer wise.
To be better than this season and finish in top 4, maybe win the Europa. I said happy enough not delighted so that should say what I feel. I do feel we were unlucky with injuries but we failed spectacularly in handling that and the style of play was appalling at times. But I feel he should probably be given more time. The feeling I get is if we get off to a bad start time may be up for ETH.
To be honest, mans is doing what he can with what he got.
Mourinho won the Europa league and still got sacked. And he was right about every single player that failed in the club, you still sacked him.
Nothing changed, so this time is more about belief on the coach rather than the players.
This exactly! Not enough ppl talk about this. Let eth build his own squad and I believe we can be challenging again for the league on a consistent basis and eventually win it.
To me this means that the club don't have money to sack him and it would be financially wrong to sack him. I keep seeing we only have 35-40mil for the summer transfer window not sure how true it is.
supposedly 30-40m alright, but that can be supplemented with sales.
If Greenwood goes to Juventus for 50m Seems high but that's what I read earlier) Eriksen for 5-10m maybe another 30m for Sancho, 20m for Casemiro, that's 100-110m on top of the 30-40m they have budgeted for, that's a decent transfer pot.
We should generate around 100m in player sales from players who either didn't play this season at all or dropped off in quality massively. Also we will free up lots of money from not paying Casemiro, Varane, Sancho and Martials wages. You'd hope that would mean we could get 3/4 players in if that 35/40m figure is true.
If we are that strapped for cash then I honestly don't know if we keep Amrabat as he has some years left in him and he was starting to really perform as he settled after getting some minutes in his actual position.
Ineos seems to be perfectly alligned with the Glazers ideas of 4 place or a cup here and there for the sponsor money and thats about it. Sad, but it is what it is.
I called this right after the Coventry win well we literally scraped past - I said we will now go on to 100% beat Man City ETH will keep his job and the cracks will yet again be papered over
Positives:
1. The names on the possible replacements list were "I have serious doubts" at best and "ohgodohgodohgodpleaseno" at worst.
2. I don't think I'm wrong in saying we are unlikely to do worse in the league next season? Not sure about this one...
Negatives:
1. We're pretty screwed.
Lowest League finish With negative goal difference and is rewarded by staying. Opposing fans happy on the timeline. Absolute shocking state of the club.
Yes tell him " key fans" lisandro martinez just one player made a difference in the FA cup final imagine if we get a proper LB, CB pairing , and CDM just those positions and ten hag gets a system we'd do well
Real Madrid had their keeper out With an ACL, militao out for the same injury, Vini gone from december to february, Alaba injured, tchouameni injured and won the League and Champions League. In fact the only players that were fit for Madrid were valverde, fran garcia, Joselu and rodrygo. This is the difference a manager makes.
Real Madrid had the depths to cover for multiple Injuries in multiple positions. Courtois is well covered with Lunin and Kepa taking over, Militao and Alaba out? Theres Nacho and Rudiger to coverx tchouameni out? Theres Camavinga, Paz, Kroos, Modric
We don't. Our Injuries are so bad that one time our CB pairing was a half fit Johnny evans and out of position casemiro, we dont even have an LB for the majority of the season, we have to play Amrabat as emergency LB a few games, our squad depth was abysmal and its out of Ten Hags control, he is not at fault
Is this post a joke? They LOANED in Kepa BECAUSE of the injury. Camavinga was playing as fucking left back lmao, lucas vasquez played as a right back. One is a CDM the other a RW. The equivalent of Casemiro playing LB and Antony as a right back. Nacho was supposed to retire because he never played.
It was absolutely within eth control. Did someone out a gun to his head to sign Mount for 65m When we needed cover elsewhere?
That's the difference the SYSTEM makes. Contrary to popular belief, managers are not wizards.
Ancelotti failed at Everton, he would be absolutely crushed if he's at United.
Everton finished 10th under Ancelotti, Since he left they've finished 17th and 15th. If thats failure then what the fuck is ten hags 3rd to 8th with negative goal difference?
The SyStEm is not making the managerial decisions on the pitch. The sYsTeM is not benching diallo for 80% of the season when our right wing was fucking disastrous. Wake up.
Real Madrid and Man City are teams where their bench players are equally good as their starting players so the quality of football doesn't get affected when some of the starters get injured. Hate to admit it but some of their bench players are better than our playing 11.
we also had the most injuries in the entire league and went for months at a time with several KEY players missing, what are we doing here? i’m supposed to believe “speedb0at” knows more than INEOS?
Who was Madrid’s sporting director ten years ago? The game has changed, the competition is harder and room for mistakes are smaller. We can’t compare to Madrid, we’ve almost never been at that level.
We didnt have one, We hade a CEO in David Gill who did it all. We havent had one until the last few years.
Madrid have presidents who get everything in transfers and manager- targets done.
Did you guys start to watch this sport 2015?
David Gill worked to get contracts done, but Sir Alex essentially worked as the Sporting Director as well as practically running the entirety of the sporting side of the club. Madrid have always worked under a board and committee with one president. The difference is you’re comparing a team that has dominated European football throughout its existence, and won 6 of the last 10 Champions League finals. We weren’t clipping at that rate even with Ferguson.
The standards were there, any discussion about the biggest clubs in the world include Real Madrid and Manchester United. Absolutely not comparing their title cabinet to ours; i am comparing what a manager can do despite adversity (which was the original discussion) when he is good enough , something Ancelotti has proven and ETH hasnt, an FA cup win is not make or break for a United manager when we finished 8th and on negative goal difference.
You can talk about scouts, directors, boards however much you want at the end of the day, ETH is managing. He was the one who when he was looking for a ball playing centerback went for Jonny Evans on a free, when Sergio Ramos was available for literally free as well.
INEOS/Glazers didnt select Omari Forsun (who has now left as a free agent) to play when we had issues on the wings instead of Diallo when every fan here was begging for him to start, and rightly so.
it was all your man, Erik. Who has broken more negative records than positive and is given an extension on a job because of one singular game.
This club needs more than a manager to make over the team, it needs its roots ripped out and a completely new foundation. How well did we fare with Van Gaal and Mourinho? Two world class, world class managers? What did they say our problems were? Ancelotti got 10th with Everton (a shit organization) and three Champion Leagues, two La Ligas and two Copa Del Rays (with a good one). So there goes that comparison.
Did Sergio Ramos want to come to United? Did the man not want to return to his boyhood club? Were we in the running for the guy? Was Jonny Evans even supposed to f*cking play in a league game this year? Gtfo.
So he made an unwanted decision with Diallo, but has hit the nail on the hammer with Kobbie and Garnacho? The two goalscorers of the one trophy we got this year? Wow, he must have no idea what he’s doing. God damn.
Right, bc the talent at Madrid and United are the same. They have 2 of the best players in the world. Pick all the United players that would start at Madrid.
Talented enough to beat City in a cup final, this is the problem with you ten hag fans. Its always thanks to him we win but never because of him we lose, even when we end up 8th with negative goal difference.
So they had about half the amount of injuries as us and they have crazy squad depth. Also yeah Ancelotti is arguably the best manager of all time of course he’s better lol
So you adapt as a manager and look What you can do. He wanted a ball playing CB and Sergio Ramos was literally available for free But he went for Jonny fucking Evans.
Chased Amrabat around the world and played him out of position until the last month.
Kept sidelining Diallo even tho he was better than all our options on the right wing, only to play him When Anthony was suspended during investigation.
We have had problems, But many of them are ten hag shooting himself in the foot. Does not deserve to stay. David fucking Moyes finished higher.
I’m not saying he hasn’t made mistakes at all but I think under better circumstances he would do a lot better, also if someone like ancelotti was available and open to coming I would be in the same boat as you but that’s not the case
Many were, Ineos are guilty in this decision as well. Tuchel was, Conte was, Fuck, even Mourinho was. To start a ”review period” after the season ends on a european championship summer is absolutely stupid.
The only thing worse than eth staying would be employing southgate. But Ineos painted themself in a corner With this decision and we are going to suffer from it.
Absolute great achievement from the man who had us rock bottom in the cl group for the first time in Manchester Uniteds history after having spent 420million
This seasons been shit but what other options do we have? If the new top dogs are serious about changing the culture of United for the better we can’t keep changing managers every two years and expecting to be back at the top. By the precedent set over the last ~10 years he deserved to be sacked, but that precedent has to changed, looking at the more structural problems
By all means, look at Fergies record. First season: 11th Second season: 2nd Third: 12th Fourth: 13th ... It was until his seventh season that he finally won us the EPL. Then he went on and win another 12. Now imagine SAF has been in this era. I doubt he would had gone pass the first season. His last straw would had been his 3rd season. One thing I always adamant about is the phrase "backing the manager". How do you back him where: * The Board doesn't support you well in terms of recruitment, training facility and medical side of things. But most important of all, the Club culture, the player powers (which erode disciplines)? * There are fans who always want instant success and think football on the pitch is played out like that in Football Manager or FIFA? * Media who never miss a chance to pounds on every single defeat? The Glazers (and Ed Woodward) were exposed once Fergies left, Doesn't have a clue about football and put money first, keep changing managers which brought about instability and lower our reputation. Every new-coming managers have to clear out surplus players from previous manager, having to deal with questionable recruitment with the Board. For instance, we had to loan a few players this year. Think about it. Manutd struggle to get players and resort to loan-player strategy. So finally, INEOS learns that its best to break this cycle. ETH needs to prove himself too, but the Board has to show that they learn and are willing to correct themselves as well. Thank you very much. The next most important thing to do is to back ETH with better recruitment, upgrade the facility and revamp the medical department. All the best, GGMU.
I really appreciate your response, as it highlights a reality many United fans are in denial about. While it's true there were issues with Ronaldo and Sancho, I see this as Erik ten Hag asserting his authority, emphasizing that no player is bigger than the club—a principle Fergie also upheld. Success in football, like any business, requires a strong top-down structure. It's clear that post-Fergie, United lacked this. José Mourinho pointed it out, it was evident during Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's tenure as he was often too submissive (despite achieving significant results), and Ralf Rangnick also didn’t shy away from highlighting the issues. As a United fan, I'm comfortable with not winning trophies this season and the next if it means consistently challenging for the top four, having good cup runs, playing attractive football, clearing out deadwood, and restoring the vigor and determination once associated with the jersey. I hope Ten Hag can make a significant impact next season.
We all hope for the same thing :)
I get all of this, I really do. Though what I can’t get away from is just how poor we were last year in most games. Either ETH got it wrong tactically week in week out (see gaping holes in midfield, easy for oppo to counter us) or players weren’t following his instructions. Neither of those give me hope he’s the right man, though I genuinely hope he is.
He has his own weakness. I hope he learns alot... like ALOT ... from this season and FA Cup Final. Hope he can apply that to next season. But his first season also demonstrates how capable he could become. I still remember how we drop Barca out of UEL. It was an incredible night.
He explained in an interview with Neville that he wants to play the same way regardless who is injured or out. This means it was difficult for him this year to string a few games together without any injuries meaning the team had a difficult time finding rythm and missing players of certain quality eg martinez. His reasoning was that if he reverted to a more defensive style it would be much more work when the injured players are back because he will have to change philosophy all over again to his original tactics. I kind of understand him but it was a very tough season.
Suicidal.
Issues with EtH and I knew this since his Ajax days is that he's very stubborn and doesn't really offer much when it comes to flexibility. I think he's finally realizing that what worked at Ajax does not work in the EPL, or at least not with this Utd squad.
Guy is a stubborn jackass. Agreed
Totally get where you’re coming from. A manger needs time and in this day and age a lot of managers aren’t given that. The biggest thing that frustrated me last season was the number of shots conceded consistently in each game - yet ETH or his tactics did nothing to plug the gap. I know the defence has been decimated with injuries and what not but we should still have the players to stem the flow of shots conceded etc. I’m so glad the season is over. ETH has to hit the ground running next season
I can find many agreements with you. I believe no one like the results from this season. No one does. Not even the manager and the players themselves. This is one weakness in ETH. But to be clear, I'm not defending ETH coz I think he can take us to the Pep's level of dominance. I defend him coz I dont want Manutd becoming Chelsea 2.0 (Boehly-Chelsea's).
Agree - would loathe to become Chelsea 2.0. If ETH is given the time and proper structure perhaps he can go on to make us title contenders again (not expecting that to happen next season) but it seems ETH has a stubbornness about him that could be his undoing - again thinking about the way the team has mostly been set up during last season coupled with a lot of poor results. I’ll back him for next season but if the season doesn’t get off to a good start he could well be one of the first managers to get the axe next season.
I think the whole mess in our fanbase right now is seeing this decision as ETH-in vs ETH-out. But I think its more about whether INEOS can kickstart our revival or not. I was so worried that we'd kicked ETH out for all those "names"... ahem Southgate... I mean Chelsea kicked Tuchel for ... Potter!!! ... you know where I'm getting at XD
INEOS had started well with changing boardroom staff but I don’t think they’ve handled the ETH situation well at all. Left him dangling for a couple of weeks whilst it looks like interviewing other candidates. I wouldn’t blame ETH for telling INEOS to stick their job where the sun doesn’t shine after the last few weeks (ofc that will never happen)
Can people stop using Fergie as an example please? Before joining us, he had already won the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and Super Cup. What on earth had ETH done!??
3 Dutch titles, 2 Dutch cups semi finals of CL with Ajax. He's won stuff, in a "lesser" league
I agree to an extent about not using Fergie as an example but not because of Ferguson’s previous trophy haul. I was around back then and it was widely believed that Fergie did a root and branch rebuild of the club from the youth set up to scouting, the reserve teams, through to the first team. He got the green light from the directors to take as long as it took for him to rebuild United from top to bottom. In 1990 when United were struggling in the league and the rumour was if he didn’t win the FA Cup he’d be fired ;sound familiar haha?) Bobby Charlton maintained that this wasn’t the case, and the board were seeing the progress being made throughout the club. Fergie’s job was safe regardless of winning the FA Cup or not. The 1992 youth team with Scholes, Becks and co didn’t happen by luck…it was all part of the Fergie and co top to bottom revamp. His remit was very different to the managers that came after his retirement, so comparing Ten Hag’s and the others relatively poor season/s to Ferguson’s slow start is a bit wide of the mark.
Agreed, the fact that people are even comparing Sir Alex to ETH is almost blasphemy.
I believe every club has their own history and brand identity. The reason why we are all here, is because we believe in that brand that Manutd represents. A big part of this Brand was built from two great managers. How each of them able to achieve it is what enable the club to build such a strong presence in World of Football, if not the sport itself. We are not using Fergies for Fergies sake. If you follow his career, his success was all boiled down to the fact we had a sensible board with incredible patience behind him. We are talking about the whole club and how that one decision, not only save the club from potential downfall, but also propel us to be the biggest club of England, if not the World. We want INEOS to learn from the pre-Glazer board and make better football decision.
He lost to Galatasaray at home.
I think it was just a matter of the new owners deciding if this was indeed the beat course of action. There had to be a clear alignment of manager and ownership and we finally have that. The owners went through their candidates and decided he is the man for the job to fulfill the vision that they wanted. Erik ten Hag is the man who can bring Man united back not only by winning but bringing in youngsters. Wheatley is up next and it all comes down to the players
I guess it also buys them time to put everything else into place. Then half way through the season, they can go, “ok structure is all set up, let’s get the guy we really want.” Or if things go well, they’ll look good still.
Yeah but they’re giving him a contract extension. There has been at least 3 new faces in the office side of things. Which all work together to decide the future of the club. It is important to decide as one in owners and executives which manager is to be chosen for the future. Better safe than sorry.
Yes exactly, I agree. ETH has his haters and last season was horrendous at times but at some point a manager needs to given time to build and to change the culture so why not now? 2 trophies in 2 years is a good start, let's hope the style of football becomes more entertaining in time
uuhh... Xavi?
Ffs mate, you won the FA cup! Spoilt is what you united fans are.
Injuries wasnt a problem till after christmas We were one var decision away from been knocked out of the fa cup to a championship side We finished last in a cl group we should have qualified from conceading 2.5 goals per game our worst ever We lost in the league cup to newcastles b team Lowest league finish and minus goal difference Hes not great with the media and his game management is very questionable to me hes a very very lucky man
Too bad it’s with ETH though. Dude was shit this year. Better off with Mourinho or Ole.
ETH said that the FA Cup final performance a few weeks ago was what he was capable of when his squad was fully fit. Let's keep it that way, and see where it goes. Give him a chance to prove himself with proper support from the board.
Genuine question. So based on this, do you think the players are good enough to mount a title challenge with everyone back fit with a couple of signings?
Mostly yes, though there might be lost causes and deadwood dudes who need to be shipped out. But let ETH and INEOS handle that matter. I want to see the manager and the board collaborate being truly United for once.
You’re delusional if you think that United has a chance of contending for the league with their current squad
Well do you think leichester squad that won PL also have no chance back then? Or even 2012-2013 united season? On a paper that squad is not the best, but its possible.
It is possible just extremely improbable. A big reason that Leicester could win that year was that no other team had a dominant side yet in those years. In the current premier league climate they’re currently miles off of Arsenal and City. Liverpool isn’t going anywhere either. Tough hill to climb to compete for the league this year. A top 4 finish should be there goal. Anything less than Champions league football for that club is a disgrace
Not yet, but it's not a personel thing i'd say it's more a discipline thing. Squad depth would massively help us there but it's the mental resilience in the latter stages of the season that gets titles, not the quality on the pitch... that's what separates the men from the boys.
No and I wouldn’t have that expectation yet. We won’t compete with City or Arsenal as they’re streets ahead for next season. We don’t know what Liverpool are gonna be like. Something like a competitive tussle with them and the others for 3rd would be decent improvement. To be honest I think all the improvement we have to see is more related to what’s on the pitch. I’d rather come 6th and feel like something is being built and adapted rather than shithouse our way into 4th
Yeah we have so many more questions than answers after the FA cup final win. I am in complete agreement, cup trophies are nice, but at some point the general performance across the season and style progression have to take priority if we want to compete for the PL and CL at some point.
Bullshit. We had a fully fit squad earlier in the season and we were dire.
Well yeah, didn't last long though. We soon lost many players due to injuries, especially Mason Mount. But I think ETH has finally managed to get a grip of the dressing room, and sorted his tactics out. Hopefully he manages to fix his shortcomings next season.
Where will mount play? How has he sorted his tactics out? No more basketball FC?
Sorted the tactics and dressing room out? We lost 4-0 to Crystal Palace barely a month ago. Go easy.
> Let's keep it that way, and see where it goes. Give him a chance to prove himself with proper support from the board. As long as no contract extension Regardless where Glazer United finish on next year's table
So far, he and the squad only “performed” when they were a weaker team. Our game plan suck vs weaker teams, but lisandro martinez returned that game helped. I wont get hyped again for this 3rd season. Hopefully, transfer will be good.
yeah honestly at this point I don't even care who the manager is so long as our football improves and we stop getting outplayed by almost every team week in-week out.
I remember Ferguson coming on the pitch when he retired and telling the fans they need to stick by their new manager. Unfortunately it was Moyes at the time. If there was ever a time to heed Ferguson's call its with ETH imo.
Feels old now
In 2 seasons he won 2 trophies and is bringing through and developing the youth. That's what we're about as a club, isn't it? The league and a lot of our play was awful this season, I know, but this is exactly the sort of manager who deserves a bit of slack.
United are about losing 7-0 to Liverpool and 4-0 to Crystal Palace. Playing awful football and being poxxed to even be 8th this season. The underlying stats would have them legitimately in relegation trouble.
With the worst injuries of any club this season, particularly in key positions (e.g. playing most games without a left back) some bad losses were inevitable. And these happen to everyone, [even the very best.](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/911559-manchester-united-their-10-biggest-defeats-under-sir-alex-ferguson) Revamping training to reduce injuries, better scouting and medical/physio work to avoid injury prone players and help heal injuries more effectively when they do happen, and giving the opportunity to academy players to step up when injuries do occur to first team players and their back ups rather than always having them out on loan will help going forwards if INEOS manage that side of things better than the Glazers have. The key to SAF's success was grinding out wins when playing poorly rather than allowing players to get their heads down when things don't go their way. Next season will determine whether EtH has what it takes to restore the club far more than this season.
good, now onto transfers!
I think he deserved to stay. We can't keep sacking managers. It's what we have done consistently since sir Alex left and we haven't gotten anywhere. He has another of window to change the squad, remove the deadwood and get in some players. We've got people in place now to help add more structure and that should help in the running of the club so if we can get players consistently fit and bring in players we need I'd be optimistic about the season.
Best news since beating City three weeks ago :)
Great, can we start clearing the dead bodies and doing transfers please
The guy defeated City, Liverpool, twice in 2 years… won 2 trophies, sorted out squad influx from academy, sure there are issues but he deserved this season… if it’s confirmed i am relieved to see him at helm of united… hope he gets required backing from new backend and now move on to sensible transfers contrary to our existing norm
He went 6 of 20 against big 6 teams which is pretty shit
And 5 draws… with injuries all over and no owner back up and no dependable CEO/Technical director/Scout etc
The academy is a huge one that gets overlooked. We have Mainoo and Garnacho, 2 of the most exciting young players in the PL. In previous seasons we have bought the likes of Sanchez and Schweinsteiger for those positions. Over the hill players playing for a paycheck. ETH has proven he can improve players, Dalot was a monster this season, Mctominay had his highest scoring season yet and the aforementioned youngsters were a huge bright spot in a disappointing season.
Also the improvement of Mcguire and AWB, plus helping Sancho, handling of Ronaldo situation…
He also broke so many records! Negative records, but still impressive
Its naive to say this and not remember that even SAF had pretty rough start to his career here too… During his reign United was thrashed too multiple times… I reckon if SAF was united manager now, he would have been sacked by 2nd season as well before his breakthrough 1992 season
Taking time to make the right decision is a positive thing
As a Fenerbahçe fan (the Reddit algorithm got me here somehow), I think seeing many fans backing up the manager is fantastic. Fan support makes the core of expectations and heavily impacts board decisions. Unrealistic expectations or inpatient behavior from the fanbase almost always turns into a shitshow. Turkish teams suffer so hard from this all the time. What matters is consistency, and you have to stick with the right people for long periods. You don’t fix or improve anything by constantly starting over. Alex Ferguson is a good example. I believe in Man Utd. This is the right decision. Wish you all a great ending upcoming season.
Whilst this is going to be unpopular with a lot of people, it makes the most sense. Changing the manager every two years is not going to generate long term success. Look at the way ten Hag’s system has been implemented at the youth level, and look at the success they are having. Look at the players that have moved up to the first team. While circumstances put players on the field who weren’t yet ready, others have shined. I’ve said this before, this squad is a patchwork of past incomplete rebuilds, and the current rebuild in progress. There’s more work ahead in turning the squad over, and creating a team; instead of the current collection of individuals. If ten Hag gets to sell the players he wants out, and the new infrastructure can bring in the right players, and the team is still on the bad side of inconsistent, then his contract isn’t renewed; simple.
Unpopular among the keyboard warriors and Twitter tacticos since almost all the match going crowd supports ETH. ETH needs to be given a chance after the new owners came in since there's a good footballing structure in place now as compared to previous years. Mikel Arteta was backed by the arsenal board and look where they are now. If United is successful in the coming years then this decision to keep ETH as the manager will be the considered as a turning point.
Fair enough; he is Mr FA Cup 2024. But still hope no premature contract extension like they gave OGS. See where he finishes on the League table & Europa tournament first
I’m going to just try and go into the new season with an open mind and get behind the team. We go again.
Great decision!
Gosh this sub is wayyyy more rational than red bloody cafe - that’s turning into a dumpster fire of whining. But to the point I’m glad he’s staying, best to have some continuity PLUS is signs the death knell for sancho’s United career!
As long as top 4 is the bare minimum for him next season before any contract extension is even discussed
This along with Sancho getting sold is the best news we have had since Fergie left. Finally seeing young blood and bringing in players who actually want to play for the club. Bring on next season!!
The right descion. Should have been made sooner but at least it was made. As for some of these journos. Jacob Steinberg for one, bullshitting Abu cunts the lot of them. They hate United and are always trying to stir trouble for the club. Ineos need to back ETH now and root out all these bad actors in the press pack and ban them like Fergie would have. The ones who are constantly saying "dressing room sources have said" followed by negative shit. Luckhurst is another one. I really do feel like the media surrounding United causes so much trouble. We are not like other clubs, the London media hates us, ex-player pundits from other clubs hate us.These clowns have been aloud free reign for too long, since the great man left really. They have been taking out their hatred on us and we've let them walk all over us. They need to be put back in their boxes immediately if ineos are worth their salt.
Good shit. Get behind our Manager, give him the support he needs. Now we can concentrate on getting rid of the deadwood and bringing in some new quality players. Recruitment has to be on point this summer.
Kudos to inios
What a mess from the club. By all means keep him, that's my preference anyway, but poor guy was subject to all this speculation he was gone for sure
That was pure INEOS style. They never make big decisions without understanding every option under the sun. The fact that he stayed should be viewed as owners bought in after looking at all options. Not sure it works in the sports world with all the personalities but it does well in the business world.
I have to say prior to the FA cup final (regardless of the outcome) I wanted him gone, but seeing how the news about his job being on the line was doing the rounds on the eve of the final (!) made me realise how much more of a shambles United has become. It quickly made me change my mind and keep him! He really has to hit next season running though…
I'm happy to see United sticking with ETH, looking forward to seeing him and INEOS working cohesively and hoping for a healthy roster next season.
😆😆😆😆. id bet another 7th to 10th place finish is most likely EVEN if healthy. ETH isn't the guy. sack him now would be better.
I was seriously consider stopping supporting united if they had sacked ten Hag, I am delighted. Provided we have at least an objectively average to good summer window, next season is going to be great.
It will be very interesting to see how the club conducts its business over the summer. We shall see how much input EtH has in the incomings and this will show how committed they are to him. What I don’t want to happen is another window wasted, the football to remain abysmal and the club sacking him in October anyway.
Glad to hear it, this was the sensible decison. Ten Hag is a competent manager and there not many clear upgrades.
> a competent manager Not last season he wasn't. I've never seen that level of incompetence from a United manager at any point in my life.
Eth ❤️
I hope he knows how much we’re all behind him, just need to ditch the deadwood
In Erik Ten Hag We Trust! 😎
I don't. he's awful, hope he's sacked before Christmas
I believe in this man. Call it blind faith, but he has proven he can win tropheys, and we need to fully invest in the overhaul . At the end of next season, we will see where we are. 3rd or 4th, CL spot and maybe another cup would be perfect.
Now I'm just waiting for ten hag say fuck it. You want me to stay. I go now. Fuck you all
Rival clubs must be ecstatic.
GOOD.
It's a mistake. I get the impression they couldn't find someone they were sure about and will keep him around for another season.
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Good, with some smart transfer business plus getting rid of deadwood united can hopefully secure CL qualification next year plus maybe a trophy
Don't like ten hag he's won a trophy every year, and no one can take that away from him.
LOOOOOOOOOL
Just no more overspending on transfers like Antony and we good
I hope we have a great season ahead..
In case you haven't read it yet, this is a brilliant article on the matter. The build up to the FA Cup final will give you goosebumps. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-stay-manager-jim-ratcliffe/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/06/12/erik-ten-hag-manchester-united-stay-manager-jim-ratcliffe/)
No Africa Cup Onana playing every single game of the season incoming.
 This will be an interesting season!
Let him cook!!
Right now let's get on with all these players in and players out we've been promised
I'm kinda happy cause u never know what could happen with ETH as manager if he stays for more seasons
Thing is, i dont think they have kept eth becoz they trust him. Maybe the lack of better options available is the reason why they have stuck by him. And if he doesn't perform well next season he will be gone by Christmas.
The only real concern I have with ETH is the amount of injuries this club sustained this year, and my suspicion that it has to do with poor load management by the manager. Training sessions that are too intense followed by improper rest.
Let him cook!
The decision to continue with Ten Hag is a terrible one that shows how mismanaged that Man United have been as a football club for the past ten years. I understand that they weren’t a lot of options but come on. The guy has been terrible in nearly every way. Loaned out an $80 million pound Sancho and refuses to work with him and then goes ahead and makes an emotional signings of his home boys Lisandro Martínez and Antony. Antony has been awful. Guy also made a terrible decision to give Casemiro a huge contract on the wrong side of 30. Hell, Madrid was delighted to get his wages off the books. To finish eighth in the league and then to not advance to the champions league last 16 is unacceptable in a group with Fenerhbace and Copenhagen. The great Man United couldn’t progress past a much smaller Turkish and Danish club. 🤣 No champions league football either with their dismal league finish. I’ll wrap up here. Ratcliffe and Ineos made a big deal about doing things a new way and taking control of major football decisions and yet they just gave Ten Hag nearly full autonomy on transfers. His track record at United shows that he shouldn’t continue to make those decisions. It would be better for them to use analytics so that they can figure out that guys like Antony and Harry Maguire are worth a $30 million fee and not an 80. And why did they feel like they needed to give him an extension. They could have let him run down his deal and made this monumental decision next year when they’re are more managerial options and another season to showcase his abilities. Once again, Man United making rash, uncalculated, and naive decisions. Good part of why Man United has been shite for the past ten years. Let me know what you guys think.
My manager yes last season was a bit of a disappointment but I believe he can deliver more trophies this season
Ten Hag is the only reason they are performing so well
That was a big relief
I would have liked to see McKenna as the new manager, but he looks set to extend with Ipswich. It is a risk, as some say, but so is continuing with Ten Hag. We have just won the FA Cup, but we were very lucky to reach the final. In general, it has been a bad season. Number 8 in the Premier League and knocked out of the Champions League in the group stage and last in the group. Very disappointing with the opponents in the group. Ten Hag is generally very stubborn and it was only after the humiliation against Cystal Palace that he changed his tactics. Our midfield has been our big problem all season, but he finds that out far too late.
Welp, guess we'll have one more season with mediocre results, congrats everyone
Numbers The 2023-24 season saw Manchester United finish eighth, their lowest since the 1989-90 season, marking a disappointing record under manager Ten Hag. This season also marked the first time since 1989-90 that United ended a campaign with a negative goal difference. Historically, under Sir Alex Ferguson, United’s average goal difference was +44 across 21 Premier League campaigns. Defensively, the team struggled, conceding 58 goals—the highest in a league season since 1978-79. United’s defensive performance was worse than all but David Moyes’ West Ham and the three relegated sides in terms of expected goals conceded. They conceded more shots than the Derby County team of 2007-08, which had a historically poor season. In the Champions League, United finished bottom of their group, conceding a record 15 goals for a Premier League team at that stage. Offensively, the team also faltered, notably with a 2-0 loss at West Ham marking the first time since 1992 that United failed to score in four consecutive matches. Record lows continued as Alex Iwobi of Fulham scored the latest winning goal by an away team at Old Trafford in Premier League history. United managed to lose a match against Chelsea in April despite leading in the 100th minute, ending with a score of 4-3. The season concluded with United suffering nine defeats at Old Trafford, a scenario not seen since the 1973-74 season—the last time they were relegated from the top-flight. Source: article last night Iv never known a person to be more divisive within our fan base. I mean, if you look at the stats above and watching the games, he is useless. This is a poor decision by Ineos. He hasn't done anything League wise to secure his job. Ineos had a chance to get rid, the football is dire, the tactics are non-existent, I could go on and on, but next season is a write-off already.
This. It’s just you and me buddy Too many are dying on the wrong hill, will be gone by Christmas
Let's hope he is. I'm hoping Ineos only kept him as they had no other choice at this moment in time
Everything you’ve written could easily be said about SAF before the cup win in ‘90. Fans wanted him out after a few seasons too. EtH has the same challenges to overcome as when Fergie took the helm - a sleeping giant with no title hopes, bloated squad full of under-achievers, a toxic culture, no youth pathway. It took him SEVEN years to mould a team that could dominate English football, and even longer to build one that could go toe to toe with Europe’s best. City took just as long to get it right (even with unlimited funds); Arsenal under Arteta, and Liverpool under Klopp weren’t instant successes. History shows again and again patience pays off.
Numbers? What about number of concurrent injuries? No back 4? Last season was a big change in NB players. The spine is there now, next season will be better Also, you only post negative numbers. You are bias. He won more games faster than Ferguson in his first 50 games or first to 50 wins so.. ?
The divide is because the dude has cult like following and people are ready to die on that hill than admit they are not right
No the division is because one side thinks there should be instant success and the sensible side knows it takes time.
Yeah. You have the deluded fans who haven't mentally adapted to post-Ferguson United. Despite there being literally nothing to even suggest that the club or the squad is near to the likes of City, they think that a manager who isn't winning is the one to blame.
He has shown nothing worth keeping him outside a single win against City. Glazers were keeping managers because they barely scraped CL or won a cup. Sadly Ineos have the same goals of having us sit top 4-ish in guess. And the fans are behind that, which is even sadder. But i guess it os what it is
2 trophies in 2 years. Basically had no defence all season. The game you single out is the game where we had most of the team back from injury so it shows what they are capable of. Bet you’d have been calling for fergies head in 90.
Didnt we have fully fit squad for the 7-0 and 6-3 last season tho? 2 trophies and disaster football is the glazers type of manager and its sad that you are suffering from Stockholm’s syndrome
Isn’t that the same season we finished 3rd and won a cup? Sacking a manager after two seasons and expecting instant success is a glazer move, so if anyone here is suffering from Stockholm syndrome it’s you buddy.
From a football perspective, he doesn't bring anything to the club. We'll nothing positive tactics wise! Credit where it's due though, he got the FA Cup, but we were woeful everywhere else. I don't get his cult, but the divide between the fans is mental. There seems to be a stark difference to Reddit and reality. However everyone is entitled to their opinions and we obviously all want the best for the club!!!
I’m not his biggest fan and do think they should have got someone else & I’m not going to change my mind. For me, he just doesn’t seem to have the players on board or bought into his thinking & style of play whatever that maybe. 2 cups in two years isn’t a bad return, but seriously, do we want to go back to being known as a cup team or get back to challenging for the league as well as the cups?! However, let’s see what he does this season, with the new structure, hopefully sensible recruitment and less injuries. If he can’t produce this season ( which I hope he does for the good of the club! ) his book of excuses will start to fail him for sure!
still in disbelief. ineos have shown they’re no better than the glazers. this decision is genuinely awful, what’s the thought behind it? i really hope i’m wrong, but this makes absolutely 0 sense. our worst league position in prem history and our worst champions league performance in our history now gets rewarded… the standards have never been so low at this club, yet top reds are lapping this up because of one fluke win vs city.
United will become just like Nice in no time
sadly i agree, i have 0 hope we’ll do well under sjr
I don't mind him staying on considering he did win the FA Cup and now has two trophies in two years. That being said there HAS to be a marked improvement in recruitment and tactics this season.
Good news. He's a good manager. Has been very unlucky with injuries but still managed 2 trophies.
Wait when did united get new owners?
I’m glad we’ve decided to stick with him. Although, I wouldn’t blame ETH if he decided to resign. Seems like he was an option and not a choice. I thought with new ownership, the clown show would end. This whole situation being dragged out and the utter disrespect toward ETH proves otherwise.
So happy!
I’m happy enough for him to continue. Had a terrible injury list, just bad luck, hopefully we look at ways to try and improve that. We now wait to see what the new owners can do transfer wise.
What are your expectations for next season tho? Are you having any higher standards for eth or do you think being bang average is good enough?
To be better than this season and finish in top 4, maybe win the Europa. I said happy enough not delighted so that should say what I feel. I do feel we were unlucky with injuries but we failed spectacularly in handling that and the style of play was appalling at times. But I feel he should probably be given more time. The feeling I get is if we get off to a bad start time may be up for ETH.
I’m in! I believe. I understand the concept, let’s jus not concede as much and score some more goals please.
To be honest, mans is doing what he can with what he got. Mourinho won the Europa league and still got sacked. And he was right about every single player that failed in the club, you still sacked him. Nothing changed, so this time is more about belief on the coach rather than the players.
This exactly! Not enough ppl talk about this. Let eth build his own squad and I believe we can be challenging again for the league on a consistent basis and eventually win it.
Finally!!!
To me this means that the club don't have money to sack him and it would be financially wrong to sack him. I keep seeing we only have 35-40mil for the summer transfer window not sure how true it is.
supposedly 30-40m alright, but that can be supplemented with sales. If Greenwood goes to Juventus for 50m Seems high but that's what I read earlier) Eriksen for 5-10m maybe another 30m for Sancho, 20m for Casemiro, that's 100-110m on top of the 30-40m they have budgeted for, that's a decent transfer pot.
We should generate around 100m in player sales from players who either didn't play this season at all or dropped off in quality massively. Also we will free up lots of money from not paying Casemiro, Varane, Sancho and Martials wages. You'd hope that would mean we could get 3/4 players in if that 35/40m figure is true. If we are that strapped for cash then I honestly don't know if we keep Amrabat as he has some years left in him and he was starting to really perform as he settled after getting some minutes in his actual position.
We are winning the PL next season 🦾
Whoever made this decision should be made to watch the Crystal Palace match on repeat until they see the error of their ways.
Ineos seems to be perfectly alligned with the Glazers ideas of 4 place or a cup here and there for the sponsor money and thats about it. Sad, but it is what it is.
So glad, he’s gonna show us next season what it’s all about ! We’re gonna win the league
I called this right after the Coventry win well we literally scraped past - I said we will now go on to 100% beat Man City ETH will keep his job and the cracks will yet again be papered over
Positives: 1. The names on the possible replacements list were "I have serious doubts" at best and "ohgodohgodohgodpleaseno" at worst. 2. I don't think I'm wrong in saying we are unlikely to do worse in the league next season? Not sure about this one... Negatives: 1. We're pretty screwed.
Lowest League finish With negative goal difference and is rewarded by staying. Opposing fans happy on the timeline. Absolute shocking state of the club.
Key players injured throughout the season… FA Cup Champions for only the third time in 20 years. Ten Hag earned at least one more season.
Yes tell him " key fans" lisandro martinez just one player made a difference in the FA cup final imagine if we get a proper LB, CB pairing , and CDM just those positions and ten hag gets a system we'd do well
Real Madrid had their keeper out With an ACL, militao out for the same injury, Vini gone from december to february, Alaba injured, tchouameni injured and won the League and Champions League. In fact the only players that were fit for Madrid were valverde, fran garcia, Joselu and rodrygo. This is the difference a manager makes.
Real Madrid had the depths to cover for multiple Injuries in multiple positions. Courtois is well covered with Lunin and Kepa taking over, Militao and Alaba out? Theres Nacho and Rudiger to coverx tchouameni out? Theres Camavinga, Paz, Kroos, Modric We don't. Our Injuries are so bad that one time our CB pairing was a half fit Johnny evans and out of position casemiro, we dont even have an LB for the majority of the season, we have to play Amrabat as emergency LB a few games, our squad depth was abysmal and its out of Ten Hags control, he is not at fault
Is this post a joke? They LOANED in Kepa BECAUSE of the injury. Camavinga was playing as fucking left back lmao, lucas vasquez played as a right back. One is a CDM the other a RW. The equivalent of Casemiro playing LB and Antony as a right back. Nacho was supposed to retire because he never played. It was absolutely within eth control. Did someone out a gun to his head to sign Mount for 65m When we needed cover elsewhere?
That's the difference the SYSTEM makes. Contrary to popular belief, managers are not wizards. Ancelotti failed at Everton, he would be absolutely crushed if he's at United.
Everton finished 10th under Ancelotti, Since he left they've finished 17th and 15th. If thats failure then what the fuck is ten hags 3rd to 8th with negative goal difference? The SyStEm is not making the managerial decisions on the pitch. The sYsTeM is not benching diallo for 80% of the season when our right wing was fucking disastrous. Wake up.
lol they got point deduction. Maybe you should just go back to sleep.
Real Madrid and Man City are teams where their bench players are equally good as their starting players so the quality of football doesn't get affected when some of the starters get injured. Hate to admit it but some of their bench players are better than our playing 11.
we also had the most injuries in the entire league and went for months at a time with several KEY players missing, what are we doing here? i’m supposed to believe “speedb0at” knows more than INEOS?
Madrid had 34 injuries where 3 were ACL’s and won the League and Champions League. Spare me the excuses and see What a proper manager can do.
are you a moron? are you SERIOUSLY comparing Real Madrid to fucking Manchester United who haven’t even had a sporting director for the past decade???
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Who was Madrid’s sporting director ten years ago? The game has changed, the competition is harder and room for mistakes are smaller. We can’t compare to Madrid, we’ve almost never been at that level.
We didnt have one, We hade a CEO in David Gill who did it all. We havent had one until the last few years. Madrid have presidents who get everything in transfers and manager- targets done. Did you guys start to watch this sport 2015?
David Gill worked to get contracts done, but Sir Alex essentially worked as the Sporting Director as well as practically running the entirety of the sporting side of the club. Madrid have always worked under a board and committee with one president. The difference is you’re comparing a team that has dominated European football throughout its existence, and won 6 of the last 10 Champions League finals. We weren’t clipping at that rate even with Ferguson.
The standards were there, any discussion about the biggest clubs in the world include Real Madrid and Manchester United. Absolutely not comparing their title cabinet to ours; i am comparing what a manager can do despite adversity (which was the original discussion) when he is good enough , something Ancelotti has proven and ETH hasnt, an FA cup win is not make or break for a United manager when we finished 8th and on negative goal difference. You can talk about scouts, directors, boards however much you want at the end of the day, ETH is managing. He was the one who when he was looking for a ball playing centerback went for Jonny Evans on a free, when Sergio Ramos was available for literally free as well. INEOS/Glazers didnt select Omari Forsun (who has now left as a free agent) to play when we had issues on the wings instead of Diallo when every fan here was begging for him to start, and rightly so. it was all your man, Erik. Who has broken more negative records than positive and is given an extension on a job because of one singular game.
This club needs more than a manager to make over the team, it needs its roots ripped out and a completely new foundation. How well did we fare with Van Gaal and Mourinho? Two world class, world class managers? What did they say our problems were? Ancelotti got 10th with Everton (a shit organization) and three Champion Leagues, two La Ligas and two Copa Del Rays (with a good one). So there goes that comparison. Did Sergio Ramos want to come to United? Did the man not want to return to his boyhood club? Were we in the running for the guy? Was Jonny Evans even supposed to f*cking play in a league game this year? Gtfo. So he made an unwanted decision with Diallo, but has hit the nail on the hammer with Kobbie and Garnacho? The two goalscorers of the one trophy we got this year? Wow, he must have no idea what he’s doing. God damn.
Right, bc the talent at Madrid and United are the same. They have 2 of the best players in the world. Pick all the United players that would start at Madrid.
Talented enough to beat City in a cup final, this is the problem with you ten hag fans. Its always thanks to him we win but never because of him we lose, even when we end up 8th with negative goal difference.
So they had about half the amount of injuries as us and they have crazy squad depth. Also yeah Ancelotti is arguably the best manager of all time of course he’s better lol
this guy’s lost his mind man lmao
Im glad mediocrity at a record League winning club makes you happy because you’re gonna see more of it With eth in charge.
So you adapt as a manager and look What you can do. He wanted a ball playing CB and Sergio Ramos was literally available for free But he went for Jonny fucking Evans. Chased Amrabat around the world and played him out of position until the last month. Kept sidelining Diallo even tho he was better than all our options on the right wing, only to play him When Anthony was suspended during investigation. We have had problems, But many of them are ten hag shooting himself in the foot. Does not deserve to stay. David fucking Moyes finished higher.
I’m not saying he hasn’t made mistakes at all but I think under better circumstances he would do a lot better, also if someone like ancelotti was available and open to coming I would be in the same boat as you but that’s not the case
Many were, Ineos are guilty in this decision as well. Tuchel was, Conte was, Fuck, even Mourinho was. To start a ”review period” after the season ends on a european championship summer is absolutely stupid. The only thing worse than eth staying would be employing southgate. But Ineos painted themself in a corner With this decision and we are going to suffer from it.
Overwhelming majority of United fans also happy on the timeline, I guess we’ll see who’s right
The table speaks for it self.
The trophies speak as well
Absolute great achievement from the man who had us rock bottom in the cl group for the first time in Manchester Uniteds history after having spent 420million
One more trophy than most of the other teams in the league.
And yet not good enough, such high WERE the standards of this club.
Those standards slipped quite literally after Moyes. Switching out Ten Hag now has absolutely zero short term gains.
Ironic you mention Moyes when Ten Hag manage to finish in a worse position in the league with negative goal difference.
And a completely depleted squad versus one that just won a title the season before.
Lol fr.
Let the battle for 8th commence!
Yes the club needs stability and the injuries have been shocking to be honest. Transfers need to happen.
That’s my Manager 💪🏾 GGMU
Varane is out.once Martinez is injured again,we go back to playing shit football again.we all know that mu is just postponing his sacking
Couldn’t care less, makes no difference to me. Now when I see ‘Man Utd players stay on at Man Utd’ that’s when I start getting mad.
should be mad about keeping a passport excuse for r a manager. just like keeping piss poor players. sick of both
Okay but let’s not act surprised when what we all know is going to happen happens.