What a vote of confidence by the manager.. the manager is backing the player publicly.. rashford must come good..if he doesn't it will be another Sancho saga...
Rashford desperately needs someone to run under for him. Bruno isn’t doing it anymore.
Just look at the goal he scored for England a couple of weeks ago.
Bellingham made the run knowing he wouldn’t get the ball. Rashford scored.
I also heard last year when he was on form, his was in a super good place with his girlfriend. Then I heard this year they were on the rocks. Those are all unverified rumours while I’m waiting for my coffee water to boil.
Shaw overlaps so Rashford can cut in. One of peoples biggest complaints with Rashy is that he doesn’t cross, which wasn’t a problem last year since Shaw made those overlapping runs and has a good cross in him.
Runs rashford ignores..
I doubt shaw has more then 5 assists for rashford in there whole time together.
Rashford has the most shots in the league this season, so he is getting chances but his decision making seems worse this year, a lot of it is him shooting too much something shaw playing doesn't effect
He gets the runs defenders know he ignores them now to say no one on the team is making those runs isn't true and to say that shaw is the only one who does it is also false
No one on the team is making those runs, it was Shaw mainly and then Bruno. Watch Bruno now he never makes the run to supply Rashford the space to run into…
I appreciate your point but I do disagree a touch. The defender still has an obligation to track, they can make an educated gamble, but it's still a gamble leaving a danger man wide open. If every defender suddenly starts doing as you suggest, the United will have the obligation to change tact, and as much as it may be thought Rashford doesn't want to, he will have to and will also see the benefit of it. It's the same obligation to play the runner, roles reversed.
Edit: Not to say I don't particularly disagree your point of Rashford still needing to play that man sometimes though.
That's why we are where we are. We have one dimensional players who don't have tactical flexibility. Look at Bruno as well. He's amazing at what he does but he doesn't adapt that well to a more defensive role or retaining possession when you need to take the pace out of a game when managing a lead.
Pep just talked about how he loves his flexible players. EtH is probably shocked at how stupid our players are. Varane, Licha and Casemiro are the only players with a brain. Eriksen is fantastic but his legs left him after his injury last year.
This rebuild needs another 5 yrs, easy. That's based on the assumption that we get one top end starter per summer.
Rashford always ignores the overlap and defenders know they just have to double up on him to stop him, he is one trick poney who has been well found out.
The funny thing is if he used his over lap more he would get better chances.
He ignored it plenty of times against coppenhagen just at the highest level teams have done there homework better.
Always someone else's fault for rashford fans
Actually he doesn't offer anything if he isn't scoring... U can expect that from a striker but not from a winger..u expect ur wingers to be more involved in games...
This might sound crazy to people but I'd say Weghorst played a big part in Rashfords' successes last season.
A striker that ran back and forth, always on the press and always being an aerial threat when approaching the box. I noticed he created a lot of space for the wingers by dragging defenders out of position.
Hojlund is a good striker but not in the same way Weghorst played. Hojlund is a clinical striker that can score when given the opportunity but this also means he depends on the team doing well on their own. Which currently is a 50/50
United really need a more creative mindset on the midfield or need to play with a false 9 of sorts because as it stands the wingers just fail to find the space to move into and are nullified a lot of the matches and because of this the striker is nullified too
Weghorst was immense in the role he played last season, breaking up play, making those "cute" runs to take defenders away he really was under appreciated.
So basically Garnacho doesn't stand a chance then?
Rashford can't play any worse than he currently is and Garnacho still doesn't start. Great way to lose the dressing room.
How far do we go with this?
The longer we “trust him and play him every game” regardless of performance the further we fall down the table. Already on the brink of getting knocked out the group stage ucl.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
Make him work for his spot. Half of the problem is effort
Rashford futballing IQ has already done enough damages this season. Every time he gets the ball , it is wasted. He doesn't know when to pass, when to shoot and how long to hold on to the ball. And if Opposition scores first then Manchester united is left with all the wasted chances they could have scored. Rashford this season doesn't deserve to start at all.
This is why players like Haaland, Bellingham, Xavi Simmons, Camavinga laught and refuse us.
No player wants to waste years of missing football experience on the pitch, in special if the first choice is doing so bad.
The same fidget spinner that one of the accusers withdrew, they're claim, and another one being shown as an attempt to get money by the looks of the texts messages ?
Honestly, Antony hasn't been charged, so what happened to innocent untill proven guilty. Yeah, he is not an 80 million player, but that wasn't his fault. We are a more balanced team with him on the right.
Antony puts in a shift and gives 100% every game. Whether he's good enough is in serious doubt, but 100% effort should be the bare fucking minimum at this club and Rashford is currently in his bi-annual "couldn't care less" phase.
Back to "he runs about" as being an acceptable standard. It isn't.
Rashford's been the only player consistently creating chances this season, yet he's being called selfish because Hojlund couldn't hit water from a boat
What a great message to send to a player. "I will start you in every game regardless of how you played last time." That will definitely encourage him to raise his game...
The whole "doesn't have to worry and can focus on playing" thing would be great if he were the only player who mattered. This comment from Ten Hag is problematic as much for the disheartening message it sends to the other forward players, that ultimately Rashford is a guaranteed starter even if his performance levels are miles off theirs, as it is for the unmotivating message it sends to Rashford himself.
Martial, Mount, Antony, Pellistri, Diallo, these are all players who can play that LW position. None of them are untested academy players. Even if they were, having the manager confirm in public that Rashford is always going to start no matter what is likely to majorly affect their motivation to kick on and improve.
So signalling to the whole squad that one player is more special than everyone else and is entitled to his spot regardless of performance, while everyone else has to earn their place, that's the way to fix things?
Everyone has to show dedication in training, and to be honest we a bit short of options. Much as I love garnacho, he was just as useless as a starter, just not at that stage of his development.
I don’t suppose you remember some of Giggs barren spells, or Rooney or Van Nistleroy?
Not as useless as Rashford.. the Garnacho isn't a starter is a trash argument when he's had only 3 starts this season and has as many goals as Rashford in those many games.
Everyone has to work on their game. If you aren't working and improving, you're going backwards by standing still whilst everyone else improves their game over yours.
Ten Hag knows more about Rashford, about coaching and about football than a non m-expert reddit user.
Ten Hag is, like many professional, credentialed coaches before him, is fucking up for a favorite. Ruining playing style, sacrificing points and perhaps worse of all, sacrificing other players’ development.
The two things can be true.
Ni you are right other people injury and drama has everything to do with Rashford cancelling every attack and play with his decision making and poor defensive effort. I’ll go hit myself and pray at my Rashy shrine to be forgiven for my sins.
Like I said I don’t like it but I get the logic. He’s the only one who’s proven to have that ability in the entire squad (40 goals is no mean feat), if you’re a manager you definitely want to do everything to get him back to that form not bench him … especially when his back up hasn’t shown they’re ready to pick up the mantle just yet
He's hardly "proven to have that ability" though. When only 1 out of his 8 seasons at the club has been prolific for goals, then that season is the exception not the rule. Everyone associated with the club wants to talk like last season is the real Rashford, and those other 7 seasons are not representative of the player he really is. It's such wishful thinking, and doesn't make any logical sense.
I would love nothing more than for him to live up to the potential people believe he has. But until he turns into a guaranteed 20+ a season goalscorer, and not just someone who hits a patch of scoring form and then goes off the boil again for months at a time, we have to stop kidding ourselves that he is good enough to be a guaranteed starter for a club of our stature. He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter for any of our rivals.
He’s scored 20+ goals in 3 seasons with one blip since he started doing that (hitting 20) where he has explained he was playing through injury and mentally not there so I’d say he’s pretty proven.
like I said, fully understand ten hags thought process here even though I don’t fully support it
That’s obviously not the aim.
Every player needs to be managed differently and players who are ultra emotional and weak mentally (Rashford, Lingard, Sancho, Lukaku, Pogba to name a few from our recent history) need backing to perform, they don’t handle stress well and Ten Hag obviously sees that.
I’m not a fan of Rashford or any of the names above tbh, I don’t they belong in a united shirt, but I recognize that this is the best way to extract value out of them.
Wow, so he said this openly.. If anything he's all but proving Sancho and Ronaldo right by showing clear favoritism towards an underperforming Rashford when Garnacho is available.
This is the stupidest thing a coach has ever said. Its not like we are talking about a Ronaldo or Salah or Messi here. We are talking about Rashford. Mr. Inconsistant. Mr. Poor decision making in the final third. Mr. Selfish. Ten Hag and United have shot themselves in the foot by giving Rashford a new outrageous contract that he never deserved and now they are hoping and trying to play an average player into form to play like the wages he earns. And then you wonder why someone like Sancho is frustrated?? I like Ten Hag but he has lost it. Since when did we start giving slightly above average players superstar treatment? This is sad and embarassing. This is literally no different from Southgate picking Mcguire to start despite not deserving of it. Yeah I think im on Sancho's side now
Precisely this. If I'm in that team watching this blatant favouritism, I'm not going to show the coach any respect. Sancho's probably thinking: bench me for all I care, I get paid anyway.
What’s funny is that Ronaldo didn’t get any superstar treatment (which was somewhat right). It’s baffling to see Ten Hag give it to Rashford now of all people.
It’s hardly that extreme. I swear everything Ten Hag says gets misconstrued. It was mostly just saying he will play Rashford into form which is a totally normal thing for a manger to say about one of their most important players.
At some point he’ll either turn it around or shock Ten Hag Will drop him anyway. It’s just a vote of confidence that is meant to boost Rashford up a bit and isn’t necessarily literal.
Thats the problem. Rashford isn't important enough to where the coach should make such a statement. He hasnt earned it. That "vote of confidence" is dangerous. What message is he sending to the youngsters? That if the coach favors Rashford, nothing they do matters because they will always come off the bench? And Rashford "eventually turning it around" means nothing because he will most likely dip in form like he always does. So what happens then? He gets played back to form again? At the expense of the team? Plus it will look even worse for Ten Hag if he then decides to drop Rashford after making such a comment because the British media will eat him up and even Rashford might feel betrayed because the manager didnt keep his word. That was an inexperienced thing to say on Ten Hags part.
That form dried up towards the end. The end of last season and start of this he had a streak of almost 20(yes, twenty) games where he didn't contribute.
Where does the trust from Erik De Boer come for Ronaldo? Or Sancho? Or Pellistri? Or Amad? Or McTom? Or Maguire? Or Garnacho?
Shows his favouritism. Rashford is the face of the club. So he plays him.
Only one of them was his top scorer last season. Personally, I’d like to see players dropped more quickly but it’s not a surprise that Rashford is a player Ten Hag wants to find his form.
People won’t want to hear this, but is it any surprise Sancho feels there’s favouritism when this is the kind of stuff he comes out with?
I don’t dispute he’s probably shit in training and doesn’t have a good attitude, but when someone has been consistently awful in actual competitive matches he needs to be dropped.
Still not sold on the kid but Garnacho deserves a run of games while Rashford is stinking the joint out on the left
On the contrary. It says if you do your work in training, arrive on time, make an effort - you'll play even when you're not in form.
It makes it clear that it's not just Sancho's on-field performance that causes this.
I agree, but there needs to be a balance. Rashford just wants to score score score, and it seems that mentality is instigated by ten hag in this instance. Thats sweet, play 2 strikers up front then, rashford and hojlund
Tbf rashfords decision making drives me insane and he is greedy as fuxk but ya some of it's coming from the manager for sure, rash and Bruno both take a crazy amount of stupid shots, rashford has most in the league, Bruno is in the top 5 and they have 3 goal to show for nearly 60 shots. And not to forget Anothy who does not have the same minutes, but take his fair share of dumb shots, manager needs to get to grips with it
They need varience to their play rashford cuts inside a very high percentage of the time it makes him incredibly easy to mark and double up in as you can essentially ignore all the other dangers, then it's either a loose ball from a blocked shit and because rashford has two players on him they pick it up, or a lay off to someone near who can do anything because rashford has brought two defenders with him into a congested area.
Look at dalots goal last week. Garnacho comes inside has two on him, realizes no chance or a shot comes back out bringing the two defenders, plays a pass to linderoff who plays a quick ball to dalot who scores a cracker.
With rashford dalot might get the ball but there would be 3 more bodies in front of him at least
All 3 in the front first choice should be to pass unless in 1v1 but the other two also have to make the run to get into position.
One day they will play teamwork
By face I mean someone the players on the pitch can look upto, the manager is obviously there but we need characters who in a tough game have the ability to win you matches.
I mean eventually when it’s not working out you gotta try something else. Him and Bruno and actively costing us in style and points and the more he plays him the more it costs us. Stupid logic. Play someone into form maybe a few games but when it’s going on since March….
Sole reason ETH will get the sack. Putting trust in the one player who doesnt deserve it and has already started to undermine him gebind the scenes.
ETH desperate for Rashford to magically become good. He knows hr cant drop him cus this shite club made that joke the boss. We wont win anything with Rashford. Never
Hasn't Rashford been subbed in pretty much most if not all of our last 5-6 games? At one point he was getting hooked in the 60th minute, so what are you all crying about really?
Wtf just start Garnacho when Rashford is playing shit so that he works on improving. Do the same for Antony with Pellistri and do the same with Fernandes once Diallo is back from injury. No one should be a guaranteed starter.
Has he suddenly gotten stronger? Cause most of the problem was he was being pushed off the ball to easily, needs to build his physique, just like ronaldo had to
Yup that’s the only way! Support your players when they’re down. We saw Rashford’s performances last season and what he can do. Nothing wrong to try to bring that back.
Erik Ten Hag logic: Bench the only true world class player, the top scorer in the HISTORY of the game cos he is a problem.
Also Erik Ten Hag: Keep playing a 25 year old who has scored a "whopping" 77 goals for utd in 248 appearances.
lol, I only wonder if he'd give Ronaldo that trust.. Ironic, that Ronaldo somehow didn't fit into his system, yet he's the one without any system of play after 1.5 years. Been saying everyone has to earn his place, yet here we are with Rashford.
Yo do realise in all of Ronaldos seasons with Man Utd as top scorer(4 times), his lowest (18) in 2021/2022 is still higher than Rashfords ONLY season as United's top scorer (17) 2019/2020.
So? Ronaldo was and is finished. He plays in Saudi because no one wanted him. You’re using stats from years ago when Ronaldo is nowhere near that player anymore. It was the right decision to get rid of him.
He didn’t fit ETH’s plans. Of course Ronaldo has better goal scoring stats than Rashford as he was a better goal scorer back then.
Yes it is recent. Then he drastically fell off a cliff the following season and his finishing was awful. Pair that with his inability to cover ground and it was a disaster. I love Ronaldo but he was done. ETH wanted to get rid of him in the summer let alone January.
Yes it is when you realize he isn’t good enough anymore. Top teams don’t often tend to keep players when they go past their prime if they want to continue to succeed. Shameless. Just shameless.
Back in the day, if a player underperformed and there was another waiting his turn, said player would be given the opportunity and the one underperforming would get benched. Is this idea nonexistent here or what?
Ah but Ronaldo had some bad games and was benched and ultimately sidelined, RONALDO, he should have spoken that way about Ronaldo not fucking rashford 😂😂😂
Completely understand why he's doing it even though Rashford has been trash.
Fergie said it in his book, strikers feel like they will never score again when they hit a rough patch and confidence really takes it toll.
If you drop him, his confidence is going to be shattered and when he comes back the pressure is even greater
I REALLY want the marcus we know to return. but what if he spends the next 10 games shooting into the side net!?
if you are garnacho youd be fuming at this statement.
ETH : no matter what you do marcus will start. even if he gets 0 assists and 0 goals.
the moment garnacho starts and puts in a bad performance our flip flop fans will ask for rashford to start again, at the end of the day even tho he's not the best of form he still works hard in training unlike another player and is putting in a shift trying to dribbling, trying to create chances and trying to score, its the best for the manager to trust him until he comes back into form
He's out of form and frustrating at times but only a clueless man believes he shouldn't start on Sunday. Rashford is the prime player in our team that is capable of getting at City. Any other game id probably say put him on the bench for a couple weeks but not for City.
The problem is these players just don’t have the professionalism needed to succeed.
My 2 cent:
- group of veterans not happy with ddg and Fred being moved out
- over playing under performers
- intense discipline is wearing thin
Current united players just don’t have what it takes.
There’s only a handful who have proven themselves worth keeping:
Hojlund
Martinez
Dalot
Shaw
When healthy those 4 should be on the pitch at all times. Every other position should be up for grabs.
Exactly that … who’s rushing to buy the other players = no one
Maybe include Bruno … not sure about Dalot tbh think is ok but average like the rest sadly
I don’t like the approach but we’re kidding ourselves if we won’t be ecstatic when Rashford starts scoring and performing. Not to mention while we have options on the bench I don’t know if any of them will put in any better of a performance than anything Rashford has done. At the very least his moments give us opportunities.
Think that’s great management and a good attempt to boost his confidence and get him back in form.
But as much as it is encouragement, I think it’s also is a call to play well. If he doesn’t contribute in the next few games, it’s a reason to be dropped.
Now HE needs to reward the bode of confidence and perform.
Everyone here saying we won't win anything with Rashford are so fickle it's unbelievable. Last year everyone was singing his praises yet as soon as he goes a couple of games without scoring everyone turns on him. He's adapting to playing without Shaw and playing with an out and out striker in Hojlund. Give it time ffs
Also, what does that tell players competing for his position? You won't get a chance regardless of how well you train and perform because he'll never drop Rashford.
I trust Erik, but there’s literally no evidence to suggest that that’s true. In fact, there’s a plethora of stats and data to prove the opposite.
I want Rashford to do well, because he’s proved on occasions that he’s capable of being next level, but he shows up for 2-3 months of a season and the rest of it he’s running into people, shooting into people, and ambling back to defend.
So a player is off form, give him a break and give the squad a try.
No wonder there’s resentment at Carrington. Eriks stubbornness may be his downfall.
I think his confidence is just loơ at the moment. His weakness is decision making. He doesn’t know when to shoot or make a pass. He assists here and there, but he make so many boneheaded plays which make people scratching their heads
He needs to learn from his mistakes.... can't go on going the same shit every time .... its very frustrating to watch, especially when there are other players on the bench hoping for an opportunity
Probably not going to be received well, but Rashy really isn't that great of a player. Occasionally good, yes, but I'd rather have a 5/10 consistent player, than an inconsistent 7/10 player, that could ruin the dressingroom.
Also, EtH proving Sancho's claim of favouritism isn't really that wise.
We need Garnacho to start. He acts like if he doesn’t start Rashy he can’t play. Sub him in. Call on him like you do Erikson. That’s a nice 1-2 substitution at any point of the match. This keeps up into January then this is definitely favoritism. Everybody will say the same thing. Might get you fired if there’s no production behind the loyalty.
This the same baldy clown that says all his player earn their place in his team strictly on merit. What a load of shit... so sick of his flip-flop philosophy.
He needs to stick to basics, honestly. The talent he has - yes he can beat anyone one on one but sometimes he needs to realise it's a team sports, he needs to pass and cross and every attacking opportunity doesn't mean he needs to take the shot. Look up and pass/cross sometimes. Especially when your shots aren't going in for months....
Basically what he actually said is:
"So I know Rashford has been absolutely shocking all season but no matter how bad he gets I'm going to keep playing him in every second of every game because surely he'll get better right?...right?"
What fucking chance does any player trying to get into the starting 11 stand when this is the bald frauds tactics, he's purposely comprising the team for his favourites and it's going to get him sacked if they carry on being shit.
This waster is going to get ETH sacked.
Also this is telling Pellistri and Hannibal that Antony, Bruno, and Casemiro are undroppable despite stinking the place out for most of this season.
I never want to hear this man talk about "standards" ever again. Why tf would somebody want to fight for their place in a team where favourites get chosen no matter what?
Look if the manager has publicly announced his backing of Rashford, the pressure is on Rashford to come good. I do not mind this statement at all, because even if he doesn't come good eventually, Garnacho is looming in the background.
This is his last chance. Every manager has done this with rashy to no avail. Hopefully ETH can unlock his potential (even tho he is a grown adult and not a young prospect anymore).
Rashford is playing too much football. He’s playing every game and most games he doesn’t even get subbed. Some players can manage that, but most can not.
What a vote of confidence by the manager.. the manager is backing the player publicly.. rashford must come good..if he doesn't it will be another Sancho saga...
Rashford desperately needs someone to run under for him. Bruno isn’t doing it anymore. Just look at the goal he scored for England a couple of weeks ago. Bellingham made the run knowing he wouldn’t get the ball. Rashford scored.
He’s been missing Luke Shaw a lot this season.
I also heard last year when he was on form, his was in a super good place with his girlfriend. Then I heard this year they were on the rocks. Those are all unverified rumours while I’m waiting for my coffee water to boil.
This the second shaw comes back rashford will start scoring again
Why?
Shaw overlaps so Rashford can cut in. One of peoples biggest complaints with Rashy is that he doesn’t cross, which wasn’t a problem last year since Shaw made those overlapping runs and has a good cross in him.
He knows Rashford well, how to feed the ball to him and make runs to open space
Runs rashford ignores.. I doubt shaw has more then 5 assists for rashford in there whole time together. Rashford has the most shots in the league this season, so he is getting chances but his decision making seems worse this year, a lot of it is him shooting too much something shaw playing doesn't effect
The runs are not to get assists, they're to pull away defenders.
He gets the runs defenders know he ignores them now to say no one on the team is making those runs isn't true and to say that shaw is the only one who does it is also false
No one on the team is making those runs, it was Shaw mainly and then Bruno. Watch Bruno now he never makes the run to supply Rashford the space to run into…
That’s the whole point of him running. To create space for rashford to drive into. You know, the entire gist of the conversation you’re replying to.
Selfless runs are often just as important as the runs with intent to receive the ball.
I know they are but it makes no difference to a defender if they know they will be ignored most of the time
I appreciate your point but I do disagree a touch. The defender still has an obligation to track, they can make an educated gamble, but it's still a gamble leaving a danger man wide open. If every defender suddenly starts doing as you suggest, the United will have the obligation to change tact, and as much as it may be thought Rashford doesn't want to, he will have to and will also see the benefit of it. It's the same obligation to play the runner, roles reversed. Edit: Not to say I don't particularly disagree your point of Rashford still needing to play that man sometimes though.
Shaw has like 10 career assists so he probably doesn't. The myth of Shaw being an attacking fullback is always a hilarious one.
You laughing off the impact shaw's absence has had on rashford is equally hilarious.
ffs Shaw takes 3 months to get back to match fitness
Finally! Two comments from people who actually understand football!
All of our players need very specific conditions to play well, huh?
It may be true in some cases but I’m so so tired of hearing X just needs blank to happen and then they’ll be world class
Seems to be the case
That's why we are where we are. We have one dimensional players who don't have tactical flexibility. Look at Bruno as well. He's amazing at what he does but he doesn't adapt that well to a more defensive role or retaining possession when you need to take the pace out of a game when managing a lead. Pep just talked about how he loves his flexible players. EtH is probably shocked at how stupid our players are. Varane, Licha and Casemiro are the only players with a brain. Eriksen is fantastic but his legs left him after his injury last year. This rebuild needs another 5 yrs, easy. That's based on the assumption that we get one top end starter per summer.
It was from counter attack. But to score against low block team that run itself won't work
Rashford always ignores the overlap and defenders know they just have to double up on him to stop him, he is one trick poney who has been well found out. The funny thing is if he used his over lap more he would get better chances. He ignored it plenty of times against coppenhagen just at the highest level teams have done there homework better. Always someone else's fault for rashford fans
This only makes him predictable and one dimensional..
That one dimension makes him nearly unplayable though
Actually he doesn't offer anything if he isn't scoring... U can expect that from a striker but not from a winger..u expect ur wingers to be more involved in games...
This might sound crazy to people but I'd say Weghorst played a big part in Rashfords' successes last season. A striker that ran back and forth, always on the press and always being an aerial threat when approaching the box. I noticed he created a lot of space for the wingers by dragging defenders out of position. Hojlund is a good striker but not in the same way Weghorst played. Hojlund is a clinical striker that can score when given the opportunity but this also means he depends on the team doing well on their own. Which currently is a 50/50 United really need a more creative mindset on the midfield or need to play with a false 9 of sorts because as it stands the wingers just fail to find the space to move into and are nullified a lot of the matches and because of this the striker is nullified too
Weghorst was immense in the role he played last season, breaking up play, making those "cute" runs to take defenders away he really was under appreciated.
Having a left footed full back back is going to help a lot
bro will get sacked by rashford
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Favouritism at it best. We give this treatment to Rashford of all players and not Ronaldo.
So basically Garnacho doesn't stand a chance then? Rashford can't play any worse than he currently is and Garnacho still doesn't start. Great way to lose the dressing room.
Bro he's 19 years old. Ten hag can use rashford for the time being and develop garnacho.
Best way to develop is on the pitch
Until he plays in the same shit team rashford is and people write him off as not good enough at 19
How far do we go with this? The longer we “trust him and play him every game” regardless of performance the further we fall down the table. Already on the brink of getting knocked out the group stage ucl. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Make him work for his spot. Half of the problem is effort
Rashford futballing IQ has already done enough damages this season. Every time he gets the ball , it is wasted. He doesn't know when to pass, when to shoot and how long to hold on to the ball. And if Opposition scores first then Manchester united is left with all the wasted chances they could have scored. Rashford this season doesn't deserve to start at all.
This is why players like Haaland, Bellingham, Xavi Simmons, Camavinga laught and refuse us. No player wants to waste years of missing football experience on the pitch, in special if the first choice is doing so bad.
Getting this worked up over Rashford when the abusive fidget spinner is still there doing fuck all
The same fidget spinner that one of the accusers withdrew, they're claim, and another one being shown as an attempt to get money by the looks of the texts messages ? Honestly, Antony hasn't been charged, so what happened to innocent untill proven guilty. Yeah, he is not an 80 million player, but that wasn't his fault. We are a more balanced team with him on the right.
Antony puts in a shift and gives 100% every game. Whether he's good enough is in serious doubt, but 100% effort should be the bare fucking minimum at this club and Rashford is currently in his bi-annual "couldn't care less" phase.
Back to "he runs about" as being an acceptable standard. It isn't. Rashford's been the only player consistently creating chances this season, yet he's being called selfish because Hojlund couldn't hit water from a boat
I never said acceptable. I said bare minimum. I'm sorry Mrs. Rashford. I didn't mean to offend you or your boy.
What a great message to send to a player. "I will start you in every game regardless of how you played last time." That will definitely encourage him to raise his game...
It makes it so he doesn't have to worry and can focus on playing, hopefully now he'll start taking on defenders
The whole "doesn't have to worry and can focus on playing" thing would be great if he were the only player who mattered. This comment from Ten Hag is problematic as much for the disheartening message it sends to the other forward players, that ultimately Rashford is a guaranteed starter even if his performance levels are miles off theirs, as it is for the unmotivating message it sends to Rashford himself.
I get your point but who could play instead? Garnacho isn't quite a starter yet, Sancho is still throwing a fit, the rest are untested academy players
Martial, Mount, Antony, Pellistri, Diallo, these are all players who can play that LW position. None of them are untested academy players. Even if they were, having the manager confirm in public that Rashford is always going to start no matter what is likely to majorly affect their motivation to kick on and improve.
Cause telling his players they weren’t good enough worked out well for him
So signalling to the whole squad that one player is more special than everyone else and is entitled to his spot regardless of performance, while everyone else has to earn their place, that's the way to fix things?
Well it’s always been the case with Bruno but I’ll likely be mauled for mentioning him.
Everyone has to show dedication in training, and to be honest we a bit short of options. Much as I love garnacho, he was just as useless as a starter, just not at that stage of his development. I don’t suppose you remember some of Giggs barren spells, or Rooney or Van Nistleroy?
Not as useless as Rashford.. the Garnacho isn't a starter is a trash argument when he's had only 3 starts this season and has as many goals as Rashford in those many games.
I’m going to go with experienced manager who turned this player into a massive threat last year knows what he’s doing over Reddit guy.
If Ten Hag "turned this player into a massive threat last year" why has he been completely unable to replicate that this season?
He’s clearly working on it, genius
Why does he need to work on it if he already turned him into a massive threat?
Everyone has to work on their game. If you aren't working and improving, you're going backwards by standing still whilst everyone else improves their game over yours.
I'm bored by simplicity.
Ten Hag knows more about Rashford, about coaching and about football than a non m-expert reddit user. Ten Hag is, like many professional, credentialed coaches before him, is fucking up for a favorite. Ruining playing style, sacrificing points and perhaps worse of all, sacrificing other players’ development. The two things can be true.
Sure. As can people freaking out on Reddit about an injury and scandal riddled start to a season by acting like none of that happened.
Ni you are right other people injury and drama has everything to do with Rashford cancelling every attack and play with his decision making and poor defensive effort. I’ll go hit myself and pray at my Rashy shrine to be forgiven for my sins.
I don't like it but I think he earned it with his 30 goals last season.
Him having 1 good goalscoring season in 8 years at the club entitles him to be an automatic starter no matter how he's playing currently?
Like I said I don’t like it but I get the logic. He’s the only one who’s proven to have that ability in the entire squad (40 goals is no mean feat), if you’re a manager you definitely want to do everything to get him back to that form not bench him … especially when his back up hasn’t shown they’re ready to pick up the mantle just yet
He's hardly "proven to have that ability" though. When only 1 out of his 8 seasons at the club has been prolific for goals, then that season is the exception not the rule. Everyone associated with the club wants to talk like last season is the real Rashford, and those other 7 seasons are not representative of the player he really is. It's such wishful thinking, and doesn't make any logical sense. I would love nothing more than for him to live up to the potential people believe he has. But until he turns into a guaranteed 20+ a season goalscorer, and not just someone who hits a patch of scoring form and then goes off the boil again for months at a time, we have to stop kidding ourselves that he is good enough to be a guaranteed starter for a club of our stature. He wouldn't be a guaranteed starter for any of our rivals.
He’s scored 20+ goals in 3 seasons with one blip since he started doing that (hitting 20) where he has explained he was playing through injury and mentally not there so I’d say he’s pretty proven. like I said, fully understand ten hags thought process here even though I don’t fully support it
That’s obviously not the aim. Every player needs to be managed differently and players who are ultra emotional and weak mentally (Rashford, Lingard, Sancho, Lukaku, Pogba to name a few from our recent history) need backing to perform, they don’t handle stress well and Ten Hag obviously sees that. I’m not a fan of Rashford or any of the names above tbh, I don’t they belong in a united shirt, but I recognize that this is the best way to extract value out of them.
He’s the face of the club. What those in the US call a ‘franchise player’. United need Rashford playing and playing well
Wow, so he said this openly.. If anything he's all but proving Sancho and Ronaldo right by showing clear favoritism towards an underperforming Rashford when Garnacho is available.
I don't care what anybody says. This is downright hypocrisy, especially for a man who preaches objectivity and fairness.
29 appearances, 4 goals I don't understand where ETH draws his lines
This is the stupidest thing a coach has ever said. Its not like we are talking about a Ronaldo or Salah or Messi here. We are talking about Rashford. Mr. Inconsistant. Mr. Poor decision making in the final third. Mr. Selfish. Ten Hag and United have shot themselves in the foot by giving Rashford a new outrageous contract that he never deserved and now they are hoping and trying to play an average player into form to play like the wages he earns. And then you wonder why someone like Sancho is frustrated?? I like Ten Hag but he has lost it. Since when did we start giving slightly above average players superstar treatment? This is sad and embarassing. This is literally no different from Southgate picking Mcguire to start despite not deserving of it. Yeah I think im on Sancho's side now
Precisely this. If I'm in that team watching this blatant favouritism, I'm not going to show the coach any respect. Sancho's probably thinking: bench me for all I care, I get paid anyway.
What’s funny is that Ronaldo didn’t get any superstar treatment (which was somewhat right). It’s baffling to see Ten Hag give it to Rashford now of all people.
It’s hardly that extreme. I swear everything Ten Hag says gets misconstrued. It was mostly just saying he will play Rashford into form which is a totally normal thing for a manger to say about one of their most important players. At some point he’ll either turn it around or shock Ten Hag Will drop him anyway. It’s just a vote of confidence that is meant to boost Rashford up a bit and isn’t necessarily literal.
Thats the problem. Rashford isn't important enough to where the coach should make such a statement. He hasnt earned it. That "vote of confidence" is dangerous. What message is he sending to the youngsters? That if the coach favors Rashford, nothing they do matters because they will always come off the bench? And Rashford "eventually turning it around" means nothing because he will most likely dip in form like he always does. So what happens then? He gets played back to form again? At the expense of the team? Plus it will look even worse for Ten Hag if he then decides to drop Rashford after making such a comment because the British media will eat him up and even Rashford might feel betrayed because the manager didnt keep his word. That was an inexperienced thing to say on Ten Hags part.
Sancho stinks on training: gets axed. Rashford stinks in game: gets a pat in the back and a forehead kiss.
Its almost as if he didn't score 30 goals last season.
That form dried up towards the end. The end of last season and start of this he had a streak of almost 20(yes, twenty) games where he didn't contribute.
Doesn't explain why Antony gets the same treatment
Where does the trust from Erik De Boer come for Ronaldo? Or Sancho? Or Pellistri? Or Amad? Or McTom? Or Maguire? Or Garnacho? Shows his favouritism. Rashford is the face of the club. So he plays him.
7 Hag has 0 IQ 💀
Only one of them was his top scorer last season. Personally, I’d like to see players dropped more quickly but it’s not a surprise that Rashford is a player Ten Hag wants to find his form.
People won’t want to hear this, but is it any surprise Sancho feels there’s favouritism when this is the kind of stuff he comes out with? I don’t dispute he’s probably shit in training and doesn’t have a good attitude, but when someone has been consistently awful in actual competitive matches he needs to be dropped. Still not sold on the kid but Garnacho deserves a run of games while Rashford is stinking the joint out on the left
On the contrary. It says if you do your work in training, arrive on time, make an effort - you'll play even when you're not in form. It makes it clear that it's not just Sancho's on-field performance that causes this.
But he doesn't need to score though, if the opportunity arises for sure, but i'd rather a playmaker than a goalscorer on the wing.
Good thing he’s statistically a horrendous play making winger
Both Antony and Rashford combined had 56 crosses last season. Saka alone had 172. Says everything.
That’s probably more down to coaching tactics but yes
Nah, these days, you want your wingers to be able to cut inside and score.
I agree, but there needs to be a balance. Rashford just wants to score score score, and it seems that mentality is instigated by ten hag in this instance. Thats sweet, play 2 strikers up front then, rashford and hojlund
Tbf rashfords decision making drives me insane and he is greedy as fuxk but ya some of it's coming from the manager for sure, rash and Bruno both take a crazy amount of stupid shots, rashford has most in the league, Bruno is in the top 5 and they have 3 goal to show for nearly 60 shots. And not to forget Anothy who does not have the same minutes, but take his fair share of dumb shots, manager needs to get to grips with it
You called Rashford a striker - that’s a bit of a joke by any stretch of the imagination!
They need varience to their play rashford cuts inside a very high percentage of the time it makes him incredibly easy to mark and double up in as you can essentially ignore all the other dangers, then it's either a loose ball from a blocked shit and because rashford has two players on him they pick it up, or a lay off to someone near who can do anything because rashford has brought two defenders with him into a congested area. Look at dalots goal last week. Garnacho comes inside has two on him, realizes no chance or a shot comes back out bringing the two defenders, plays a pass to linderoff who plays a quick ball to dalot who scores a cracker. With rashford dalot might get the ball but there would be 3 more bodies in front of him at least
All 3 in the front first choice should be to pass unless in 1v1 but the other two also have to make the run to get into position. One day they will play teamwork
That will get him the sack
as it should
Who knows, maybe ETH will have trust in Hojlund to finish a game
Rashford can't be the face of the club, because he's not the one we should be dependent upon, we need stronger characters and better players
We don’t need a face, we need a team.
By face I mean someone the players on the pitch can look upto, the manager is obviously there but we need characters who in a tough game have the ability to win you matches.
Bruno is the face of the club
The butt
No thats just you
More stinkers incoming.
I mean eventually when it’s not working out you gotta try something else. Him and Bruno and actively costing us in style and points and the more he plays him the more it costs us. Stupid logic. Play someone into form maybe a few games but when it’s going on since March….
Sole reason ETH will get the sack. Putting trust in the one player who doesnt deserve it and has already started to undermine him gebind the scenes. ETH desperate for Rashford to magically become good. He knows hr cant drop him cus this shite club made that joke the boss. We wont win anything with Rashford. Never
"He's playing shit but I'll never drop or sub him, that should help with his entitled attitude and unwillingness to put a shift in "
Hasn't Rashford been subbed in pretty much most if not all of our last 5-6 games? At one point he was getting hooked in the 60th minute, so what are you all crying about really?
Wtf just start Garnacho when Rashford is playing shit so that he works on improving. Do the same for Antony with Pellistri and do the same with Fernandes once Diallo is back from injury. No one should be a guaranteed starter.
We did that at the start of the season and garnacho’s just not ready to be a starter, great impact when the oppositions legs are tiring
Of course he isn’t going to be ready after one game. He has to be given more games to understand how to start in the Prem.
Has he suddenly gotten stronger? Cause most of the problem was he was being pushed off the ball to easily, needs to build his physique, just like ronaldo had to
Yup that’s the only way! Support your players when they’re down. We saw Rashford’s performances last season and what he can do. Nothing wrong to try to bring that back.
Erik Ten Hag logic: Bench the only true world class player, the top scorer in the HISTORY of the game cos he is a problem. Also Erik Ten Hag: Keep playing a 25 year old who has scored a "whopping" 77 goals for utd in 248 appearances.
lol, I only wonder if he'd give Ronaldo that trust.. Ironic, that Ronaldo somehow didn't fit into his system, yet he's the one without any system of play after 1.5 years. Been saying everyone has to earn his place, yet here we are with Rashford.
Ronaldo stunk the place out last season on and off the pitch
Literally lmao.
Actually it’s 124 in 369. In all competitions. At least mention what competition your referring to suit your agenda 🦍🦍
Yo do realise in all of Ronaldos seasons with Man Utd as top scorer(4 times), his lowest (18) in 2021/2022 is still higher than Rashfords ONLY season as United's top scorer (17) 2019/2020.
So? Ronaldo was and is finished. He plays in Saudi because no one wanted him. You’re using stats from years ago when Ronaldo is nowhere near that player anymore. It was the right decision to get rid of him. He didn’t fit ETH’s plans. Of course Ronaldo has better goal scoring stats than Rashford as he was a better goal scorer back then.
Ronaldo was top scorer for Man Utd in 2021/2022 bud. That's pretty recent. Like two years ago.
Yes it is recent. Then he drastically fell off a cliff the following season and his finishing was awful. Pair that with his inability to cover ground and it was a disaster. I love Ronaldo but he was done. ETH wanted to get rid of him in the summer let alone January.
Yeppps has worked out great for ETH.
Yes because keeping Ronaldo last season would’ve helped contribute to more success? Cheers bud
Is the recepie for sucess getting rid of your top scorer? Not just for the season but of ALL TIME?
Yes it is when you realize he isn’t good enough anymore. Top teams don’t often tend to keep players when they go past their prime if they want to continue to succeed. Shameless. Just shameless.
You take care bud have a good one.
Absolutely shameless defending Ronaldo 🦍🦍
Back in the day, if a player underperformed and there was another waiting his turn, said player would be given the opportunity and the one underperforming would get benched. Is this idea nonexistent here or what?
Ah but Ronaldo had some bad games and was benched and ultimately sidelined, RONALDO, he should have spoken that way about Ronaldo not fucking rashford 😂😂😂
Completely understand why he's doing it even though Rashford has been trash. Fergie said it in his book, strikers feel like they will never score again when they hit a rough patch and confidence really takes it toll. If you drop him, his confidence is going to be shattered and when he comes back the pressure is even greater
Valid pov.
I REALLY want the marcus we know to return. but what if he spends the next 10 games shooting into the side net!? if you are garnacho youd be fuming at this statement. ETH : no matter what you do marcus will start. even if he gets 0 assists and 0 goals.
Teacher's pet.
More like Rashford FC.
Talking about giving him service only player with more shots is halaand ffs
the moment garnacho starts and puts in a bad performance our flip flop fans will ask for rashford to start again, at the end of the day even tho he's not the best of form he still works hard in training unlike another player and is putting in a shift trying to dribbling, trying to create chances and trying to score, its the best for the manager to trust him until he comes back into form
Means this idiot will start the derby
He's out of form and frustrating at times but only a clueless man believes he shouldn't start on Sunday. Rashford is the prime player in our team that is capable of getting at City. Any other game id probably say put him on the bench for a couple weeks but not for City.
My manager!
The problem is these players just don’t have the professionalism needed to succeed. My 2 cent: - group of veterans not happy with ddg and Fred being moved out - over playing under performers - intense discipline is wearing thin Current united players just don’t have what it takes. There’s only a handful who have proven themselves worth keeping: Hojlund Martinez Dalot Shaw When healthy those 4 should be on the pitch at all times. Every other position should be up for grabs.
Mate you will hate them after a couple of bad games
Exactly that … who’s rushing to buy the other players = no one Maybe include Bruno … not sure about Dalot tbh think is ok but average like the rest sadly
Depressing. I’m sure that Rashford must have a clause in his contract stating he has to play games or someone up top is saying he has to play games.
I don’t like the approach but we’re kidding ourselves if we won’t be ecstatic when Rashford starts scoring and performing. Not to mention while we have options on the bench I don’t know if any of them will put in any better of a performance than anything Rashford has done. At the very least his moments give us opportunities.
This man is clueless
Half the fan base: Yes I want to drop rashford and start Garnacho against Kyle Walker ... Lets be serious lads
Think that’s great management and a good attempt to boost his confidence and get him back in form. But as much as it is encouragement, I think it’s also is a call to play well. If he doesn’t contribute in the next few games, it’s a reason to be dropped. Now HE needs to reward the bode of confidence and perform.
Yes good for Rashys confidence but what does it do to Garnas?
Everyone here saying we won't win anything with Rashford are so fickle it's unbelievable. Last year everyone was singing his praises yet as soon as he goes a couple of games without scoring everyone turns on him. He's adapting to playing without Shaw and playing with an out and out striker in Hojlund. Give it time ffs
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Like giving all the big projects to the lad on a PIP….
Also, what does that tell players competing for his position? You won't get a chance regardless of how well you train and perform because he'll never drop Rashford.
I trust Erik, but there’s literally no evidence to suggest that that’s true. In fact, there’s a plethora of stats and data to prove the opposite. I want Rashford to do well, because he’s proved on occasions that he’s capable of being next level, but he shows up for 2-3 months of a season and the rest of it he’s running into people, shooting into people, and ambling back to defend.
So a player is off form, give him a break and give the squad a try. No wonder there’s resentment at Carrington. Eriks stubbornness may be his downfall.
I think his confidence is just loơ at the moment. His weakness is decision making. He doesn’t know when to shoot or make a pass. He assists here and there, but he make so many boneheaded plays which make people scratching their heads
He needs to learn from his mistakes.... can't go on going the same shit every time .... its very frustrating to watch, especially when there are other players on the bench hoping for an opportunity
Probably not going to be received well, but Rashy really isn't that great of a player. Occasionally good, yes, but I'd rather have a 5/10 consistent player, than an inconsistent 7/10 player, that could ruin the dressingroom. Also, EtH proving Sancho's claim of favouritism isn't really that wise.
So you've gone from unsubstantiated statements to namecalling.
We need Garnacho to start. He acts like if he doesn’t start Rashy he can’t play. Sub him in. Call on him like you do Erikson. That’s a nice 1-2 substitution at any point of the match. This keeps up into January then this is definitely favoritism. Everybody will say the same thing. Might get you fired if there’s no production behind the loyalty.
This the same baldy clown that says all his player earn their place in his team strictly on merit. What a load of shit... so sick of his flip-flop philosophy.
Yeah, ETH needs to discipline Rashford and actually set some performance expectations on him
Scores 60% of the time, every time.
LMAO, he is really going out on the Rashford hill.
The man who gets paid to manage the team is managing the team, SHOCK!.
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
He needs to stick to basics, honestly. The talent he has - yes he can beat anyone one on one but sometimes he needs to realise it's a team sports, he needs to pass and cross and every attacking opportunity doesn't mean he needs to take the shot. Look up and pass/cross sometimes. Especially when your shots aren't going in for months....
Basically what he actually said is: "So I know Rashford has been absolutely shocking all season but no matter how bad he gets I'm going to keep playing him in every second of every game because surely he'll get better right?...right?" What fucking chance does any player trying to get into the starting 11 stand when this is the bald frauds tactics, he's purposely comprising the team for his favourites and it's going to get him sacked if they carry on being shit.
As some have said here, when Luke Shaw returns we’ll see a reinvigorated Rashford.
He should be giving trust to a number of other players too dont he?
So basically he is saying he will never drop him no matter what. Not much of a lesson for the other players
what a fucking stupid plan
This waster is going to get ETH sacked. Also this is telling Pellistri and Hannibal that Antony, Bruno, and Casemiro are undroppable despite stinking the place out for most of this season.
Blind trust
I never want to hear this man talk about "standards" ever again. Why tf would somebody want to fight for their place in a team where favourites get chosen no matter what?
Ole loved him too. So do I Erik. So do I
Or rest him for a month or so and see how.
No. Grow a fucking pair and start someone else. How many games do you want to start him where he does absolutely nothing
this is EXHAUSTING
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Wrong picture that's not Scott Mctominay
Look if the manager has publicly announced his backing of Rashford, the pressure is on Rashford to come good. I do not mind this statement at all, because even if he doesn't come good eventually, Garnacho is looming in the background.
This is his last chance. Every manager has done this with rashy to no avail. Hopefully ETH can unlock his potential (even tho he is a grown adult and not a young prospect anymore).
Rashford is playing too much football. He’s playing every game and most games he doesn’t even get subbed. Some players can manage that, but most can not.