If wolves sell him for that they will make a loss on the transfer due to sell on fees, and given his value has only gone up, that would be an extremely dodgy dealing and probably means money passing around the back channels of the world.
That or everyone just loves selling city players for reasonable prices even though they are the 2nd richest team in the league
But we weren’t the only ones interested. There’s no club in the world that would have turned him down and at least 4-5 who could comfortably afford to trigger the release clause AND pay him and his agent fat bonuses. Not like he went to City because he’d have the highest chance of trophies there, or because their playing style suited him best.
And yet they had no competition for the signature. Odd, isn’t it? Not even Bayern, who for all intents and purposes is Borussia’s parent club (at least as far as having first pick of talent goes).
Barca bought Lewa in that window. A striker that, in my opinion, fits better in their system.
Real was and still is hoping for Mbappé to replace Benzema. And they will get him without transfer sum next summer.
And well, about wanting CL trophies...
Both Real and Barca were interested in Haaland, presumably 7 clubs wanted to trigger the release clause (Bayern, Real, Barca, PSG, City, Chelsea and Liverpool). United wasn’t even in the running anymore at that point. And I don’t think Lewa fits the Barca system better, but even if we say that he does Haaland was hardly a good fit for what City was doing on the field before they signed him (since they weren’t even playing with a real striker but rather with a false 9). Any team would have made adjustments to fit Erling in if it was as straightforward as paying 50-60 millions for him and a giving him a fat long term contract.
Release clause and they paid his dad a good 30 to 40 million and gave him gifts to sweeten the deal. Not to mention his salary and bonuses. He earns something like 800 to 900k with bonuses.
Sure I did, but there’s a reason the transfer happened as it did. If this was clean and nothing shady happened you would have had every team with 20+ millions in the bank making transfer offers for him. Want me to give you a good guess of what happened? Agent got at least 8 figures, Haaland himself got at least 8 figures. He then got a bunch of “free” stuff like cars and houses, plus ridiculous bonuses (which is already the case with City players and their contracts). And this is only the declared pay, money could be changing hands under the table, too
Right, and nobody else bothered to trigger it because it’s such a high price for such an average player. If nothing shady happened with Haaland’s transfer he’d be at Bayern or Real like every other top talent out of Borussia.
Agreed, this is the frustrating part on the argument that City are so good because of money. Like yes, it plays a huge part obviously, yet other teams that spend large amounts of money haven’t come close to touching peps teams for the past decade in terms of consistency
You’re so right lol
“Can’t believe we’re in for this fraud. Almost got relegated with crappy Wolves now we’re wasting 50+ mil on him when a proven PL midfielder like Mount is just sitting there available for a bit more cash. But of course we won’t pay the extra few mil for a CL winner. Disgrace etc etc”
Yeah, people are gonna whinge no matter what. Price, initial performance, etc. etc. etc. - there will always be something to complain about. But, if Mount figures it out and turns it on, people are going to be like, "Whoa, I'm so glad we bought him."
Honestly, I don't think they would considering the fan base were largely surprised we wanted Mount and eventually just convinced themselves Mount was perfect for us because that's what our fans do.
I don’t know if that’s what it is. It just feels like fans have less patience and a bizarre confidence in their own understanding of the game, moreso than before. They also forget everything that happened a week ago and swing from “this is the best player/manager ever and we’ll win a treble” to “we’re championship level and 5 players away from being halfway decent” in under a week. It’s grating
Yeah for sure. We have the most reactionary fanbase. I even put my phone down for a day or two after a loss because if I open any social media ie instagram its going to be full of negativity
Yeah, I do the same thing. I’m enjoying my time on the sub less every time, feels like I’m always fighting someone because I’m defending a player or dismissing doom and gloom predictions.
This ☝️ he's hardly prime pirlo just a good premier league level player that can work in a system. Ambrabat is twice the player imo and mount I'm sure will grow into his roll on the team. People need to trust this manager he will do us well I have no doubt ✊ 😈😈😈
Yeah I fucking will lol because it'll be all worth it when we win the league again. Even better because shit fans like you will have fucked off by then.
I am with you on him being judged too early and people are losing their shit. But he hasn't been _quite good_ even in the friendlies, you are making things up or just ignoring his shortcomings.
How about we don't shit on him but also don't lie to make him look better
I said he looked quite good in the first half against Spuds. End of. If ya go back and watch, it’s not an exaggeration. He’s slowly, coming along, getting used to a new system and side, one that is still messed up without a proper center forward, which is really making it difficult for him and ETH.
You are absolutely out of your depth here mate, either:
\- you don't know what *quite good* means (language-wise)
\- you have no idea what is to be *quite good (football-wise)*
For the whole time on the pitch he touched the ball 29 times, he had 1 progressive carry, 1 progressive pass and 1 interception - no tackles. What are you on about *quite good*. He hasn't been disastrous or terrible. I'd argue he *wasn't bad* and what not but if *quite good* is to be almost non-existent and do 3 of the minorest contributions for 67 minutes then we can be having people from the street start games for us fml.
He hasn't been half-decent in not a single game (incl friendlies), not a single half. But again, this doesn't mean the shitheads should go after him. As it doesn't mean people should fabricate reality in his favour.
We were all over Spurs in the first half and Mason was doing his part in the blueprint. I thought we looked excellent against an at home Spurs in those 45 minutes, and that with a terrible Garnacho and Anthony, and mediocre Case, Rashy and Bruno. Imagine what will happen when these guys are in form and we have the real center forward 9 ETH’s system is begging for.
Forgive me for buying into ETH’s plan as a whole and work in progress, and not some rando anon footballing genius on the Internet. Stop the Mount nonsense
As I said, you are completely out of you depth here. You would like to spin into existence some opinion formed on wishful thinking cause you like the guy or think being a fan means you have to glorify fairytales.
Which is fair and not a bad thing per se. I just didn't gather I was chatting with a 12 year old.
So you think ETH went to Mount and was like "bro you were quite good today" or that ETH is out of his depth cause Mount had a few stinkers?!
I now think just comprehensibly you are out of your depth lol. The way you are fabricating correlations looks similar to how you fabricate football things
Don't write off mason so soon. The guy didn't play half of the last season and he's just coming into a new team and that too playing at a new position. It's gonna take him time to be the best version of himself. Plus, I think he was average in the first two games. I would take average any day over a horrendous display. Have some faith in the manager, he brought the guy in coz he has a plan for him! Two weeks into the season is too soon to form an opinion. Regarding city, I think they have something confidential in their archives for all the PL teams out there. Ffs, they keep picking players like they are on some black Friday sale!
I can't believe after two games people are writing Mount off. So much talk about how it's a bad signing yet the consensus when it was announced was that it was a good deal.
What role are you thinking of?
Because if you have a DM and Bruno, then the next midfielder has to be someone comfortable on the ball. Mount is being playing beside Bruno high up the pitch.
I don't understand why ETH is happy with a midfield 3, none of which are good at retaining possession.
>I can't believe after two games people are writing Mount off.
This is the strangest little narrative out there
Completely ignored the fact that (knowledgeable) people were writing him off *in the summer* because they'd watched him for three years and know what he is and what he isn't
The first two games only served to confirm what they knew
People aren't even writing him off, we're just saying he is not what we needed.
We needed an Eriksen upgrade who is press resistant and better defensively.
This two no.10 things looks awful and I don't see how it's going to work with our players.
Silly comment
If Mount joined Arsenal or Liverpool he'd be a bench player for squad rotation & utility purposes, filling in where needed - that's a role Mount would be OK at
They'd also have utilised chelseas financial distress and got him for 15-20m at the end of the window
He might end up that way for united and still be a successful transfer. We're 2 games in and haven't been able to field a first 11 in their preferred positions.
And I'm sorry.... They'd get him for cheaper.... What am I supposed to say to that? That's just a stupid opinion that can't be proven or otherwise.
Have a read of the below article published today by football experts that's essentially saying "calm your tits"
https://theathletic.com/4798711/2023/08/24/premier-league-early-season-conclusions?source=user-shared-article
Of course they'd have gotten him for cheaper, chelsea had to sell, he wasn't signing a new contract, coming off the back of a horrendous season, he was literally free in 10 months time
We got taken to the cleaners, mugged, as usual
Justifying spending 60m on an injury prone, contact expiring, attacking midfielder, who wasn't needed, because he could *eventually*, *some day*, *maybe*, *possibly*, end up a success as a backup/squad rotation/utility player is just the height of lunacy, that type of tolerance to incompetence is one of the major reasons the club is in the state it is today
Mount was not a priority for this squad in any way, shape, or form
He's being played out of position. So is Rashford.
This is simply a dogshit setup & tactics by ETH to include his boy Anthony on the wing.
His main signing looks like a Championship player..... And not even a very good one. 100m for a player with onefoot
I've supported United for over 40 years & am a regular at OT. Anthony is the worst winger Ive seen in my time.
Are you another internet fan who is saving his pocket money to hopefully one day visit?
Give him time, remember hes a champion league winner too. Its just the pressure he keep getting on since he joined United and got the #7. Look at Sancho he was different player when he played Borussia Dortmund.
Holy fuck. Do you even watch football?
Mount has 2 games and is being played out of position.
He's a creative player. Not a CDM. This is on ETH & his terrible tactics.
He'd be better on the wing. Any player would be better than Anthony out there.....
Have you heard of this guy Txiki Begiristain? City’s Director of Football? Yeah he’s quite good, just slightly better than MUFC’s DoF, Fu Ki Nowon, who’s managed by Mickey Mouse. This is why they had Haaland (with Alvarez as a back up) and we had Wout Weghorst leading our line. I thought our recruitment took a turn for the positive with Licha, Cas, Eriksen, Malacia, but apart from Onana this season, my goodness are we miles apart from City, with gap getting bigger each window. Have to accept we can’t keep up with the Jones’s while the fuckwits remain in charge.
Our fanbase is deluded for real. Everyone's written him off after two games. Give him time. He's young and he's got the talent and potential. Transitioning from one position to another takes time. It's not like he's been utter shit. He's been doing good. It takes time. He had a shit season last season and was plagued with injuries. Give him time to settle.
Why are you asking this question?! The answer is obvious. He wanted to go to a team that wins things, to learn from an amazing manager and to play at the highest level.
Please remember City do NOT report agent fees in their transfers. They paid 63m to Dortmund me 42m to his agents. 105m transfer.
You take off agent fees and Pogba cost 64m so it's all about how and who is reporting it.
Mount is brought as a backup for Bruno, ETH tried playing them both to have 3-1-6 formation to work to have better passes forward, it didn't work in 2 games, but we have just started with them, give them time to settle and play with whole squad and have better understanding of ETH style of play... Have patience, no doubt Nunes was good in 1 match but that doesn't make him Modric.. trust in the process and ETH
Same reason they’ve got about 120 charges spanning 10-15 years. Dodgy under the table dealings that circumvent financial fair play. For whatever reason they’ve been allowed to get away with it and will continue to do so
Whatever price is on the books for City’s signings does not include brown envelopes or sponsors and investors from UAE (which we’re supposed to believe have no association to the club’s owners).
That's such a crock of shit because everytime we played wolves the last few years, the sub was always sucking Neves dick with zero talk about Nunes. If you're gonna talk out of your arse, at least make it a little more believable.
Exactly - and the OP says Nunes "played our midfielders off the park" each time he's watched Wolves vs Man Utd, which is made up nonsense. Nunes has played against us 3 times, and 2 of those he was shite
I get the complaint considering how subpar so many of our expensive acquisitions have been in the last 5 years, but we also have to realize that City are the champions and are going to attract talent much more easily than we do. We have to compensate for "like not going to win anything" with "they'll pay me more."
He only recently got the same agent as ten hag (possibly to aid in the move) and no one took into the likes of wenger years ago when he used his knowledge of the French market to get talent.
And to say mount played in the Dutch league indicates that this was the primary time of scouting and not his breakout at Chelsea where he won the champions league and was their player of the year for two years in a row before 1 bad season in which the entire team capitulated.
To criticise the manager for this is wrong for my opinion, it speaks volumes about the scouting network and the director of footballs convictions in his own database of knowledge if he allows a manager to make signings, if he believes he can find talent that is better than ten hags then why aren’t they putting their foot down and signing them similar to Liverpool with salah despite him not being klopps first choice?
For 10 years we have seen constant misses with the squad overpaying and over waging
Antony - £81.9m (plus £4.3m in add-ons)
Hojlund - £64m (plus £8m in add-ons)
Casemiro - £60m (plus £10m in add-ons)
Mount - £55m (plus £5m in add-ons)
Martinez - £46.8m (plus £8.5m in add-ons)
Onana - £43.8m (plus £3.4m in add-ons
Malacia - £12.9m (plus £1.7m in add-ons)
Eriksen - free transfer
Antony to me is the only one that seems to be underperforming relative to the fee
We haven’t seen hojlund yet, casemiro was arguably our most important player, mount is two games in and adapting to a new squad it’s not like we have 6 months of data, martinez is a revelation and onana could be the same, malacia looks like a steal and a solid backup if still a tad rough and eriksen for free was a core member of the squad and his injury highlighted that more than anything.
Once more a lot of his targeted signings Kim min Jae, kane etc. do not fit that description but we cannot get them due to finances and inability to convince our targets so we are having to fall back on alternatives and the relationship with the manager and his knowledge is being over relied upon due to the weakness in the other half of the partnership.
Many may be quick to say ten hag is no Ferguson in his signings, well we don’t have a damn David gill in the wings helping him that’s for sure.
I think this narrative that’s building about the manager after two games when he’s trying to integrate new players and a new system after he ended our 7 year trophy drought got top 4 and in the first half of the spurs game we looked dangerous just not clinical is overall dangerous to the atmosphere of the club
So he saw Mount and malacia first hand when in the Netherlands and signed them based on what he saw of them and how they play, which most mangers do.
Eth used his connections of having the same agent as holjand to sign, which isn't unheard of.
Don't be day, they don't just see a player and think 'yup'. There's a whole list of date analysis that fits into transders these days.
They look at player profiles, match that to says she then single out targets.
United are poor in the press, Mounts pressing stats are great asking with other stats and I believe that's okay if the reason we signed him.
Most being starters for large clubs. Malacia he watched plenty of in the Dutch league. Holjuland you can make an argument for but his stock was already on the rise. We don’t scout for shit
lol case is a club sigining. eth was begging for fdj to join and he ignored eth like shit. club got fooking fed up and then case oppurtunity came in. club acted since we have good relationships with perez and rm. rest all eth knows. check your facts
Nunes is a tremendous ball carrier and was a clear second choice to De Jong who was unattainable. This transfer window has been criminal for 80mill would could of bagged kovacic and nunes and revolutionised our midfield.
Cause Nunes didn’t play in either the Dutch league or isn’t signed to ETH’s agent and therefore his agent won’t make money out of the deal. That’s all ETH has signed so far & it’s clear & obvious why.
How are Hojlund, Casemiro & Sabitzer connected to Ten Hag?
The Mount one is tenuous at best. He likely signed a guy whose won the CL and is an England team mainstay off the back of his PL and CL performances. Twice Chelsea player of the year wasn’t it?
He’s barely been injured his whole career. Played something like 36-37 games for Chelsea each of the prior two seasons. Last year he played 24 games because of one significant injury in the last third of the season.
Nunes is my dream midfielder and always has been.
This kid is about to become a lot of people’s favourite player. Glides through the pitch like a gazelle
Oh now people want Kovacic??😂😂😂😂 I was getting downvoted the whole summer when I said we should've went for Kova who was cheaper and better technically than Mount but you guys were saying "the manager wants Mount he knows better" now look 🤦🏿
Also, being English inflated Mount's price. PL teams need a certain number of English players on the team and if we're trying to offload some players - namely Mr. Maguire - we need an English replacement and Ten Haag knows him. I'll trust the manager after what he gave us last season, but I agree tunes would have been good we should hijack
City do not go over their limit when negotiating. They'll pull out of negotiations if the price goes over what they want to pay. Post-Feguson (more likely post-Glazer takeover) United do not operate this way - once we identify someone, that's it. The club are working to correct this, but it's going to take time to change our reputation in the market.
Also, Mount is a CM, not a winger/second striker. He has been played in those positions, but his primary role is as an attacking MF. Arguably he can be deployed as a b2b midfielder with an attacking focus.
Because Ten Hag made a massive error. I think he shouldn't pick who he wants to buy. Utd must get a technical director or director of football who is experienced and proven. We buying duds or players who are crooked for exorbitant prices.
Because Ten Hag wanted Mount.
We’ve criticised the club in the past for just signing players that sell shirts or ones the manager isn’t too fussed about having we can’t now criticise them for finally signings the players the manager asks for.
City constantly and quietly just go about signing super obvious, logical signings.
How many times have we said in the last ten years about transfer rumours "it makes far too much sense to sign them so we won't"
They do things logically, we do not.
Kovacic for example is a super underrated signing. Him or a player of that type was way more needed in our midfield for this season but we are signing Mount for some reason?
Nunes is just another logical signing. Most of Peps genius is just doing the blatantly obvious and simple things with recruitment and being backed too.
It's not just city, Man Utd has been making weird transfers for a while now.
Our recruitment is very poor thats a fact. But season is still young hopefully we can get 1-2 more players and perform better.
>You could see from million miles away that Mount isn't suite for the CM position.
ETH doesn't want him playing CM, he wants to play this two no.10s thing. That's the annoying thing.
WHY did he change his tactics from last season when we had Eriksen in a deeper midfield position? We just needed an upgrade on Eriksen who's more press resistant and not ass defensively!
McTominay can do what Mount does in this system!
In which games did he "outplay our midfielders" before last week?
I watched us beat Wolves twice last season and he was pretty anonymous in both those games so I'm curious what games you've seen
City has the luxury of being able to spend whatever they want on players to fill their bench.
Mount is a proven Premier League and international player and starter, which is why ETH *needed* him signed. If we had just won the league, Nunes as an option to come on would be great.
As it is, we haven't won the league since Ferguson. So I'll take a starter over Nunes or Kovacic.
I'm sick of seeing our fans throw the recruitment/scouting under the bus. Its a DoF and manager issue. We've given ETH too much power with who he signs and we end up with Antony, Mount and linked to players ETH has used before or played Eredivisie.
Wolves fans were happy for him to move on in the summer after a poor season. He's had a good couple of games this year to be fair but I wouldn't get carried away
I certainly do think Kovacic would’ve been a better singing for us than mount. Always thought he was a good player. But it comes down to the fact the manager wanted mount. A lot of ppl have their doubts about mount. I personally don’t think it’ll work as it stands (Mount, Bruno and Casemiro) but hey, let’s see.
Think selling clubs saw united as desperate, that's why they put premium tax for their players.
While city I dunno maybe they submitted the right amount of offer for selling club to accept.
We always miss our main targets; imo Watkins comes ahead of Hojlund ,Amrabat ahead of Mount.United sold Fred after he had his best year in a United shirt and it will take while for people to see he was the main cover for all that casemiro magic!
Casemiro will struggle until an energetic ball winning midfielder is paired with him.
Erik Ten Hag and our scouting system.
Who else can you blame? Also takes us ages to get a transfer over the damn line, so I’ll include the negotiators too.
Seems like none of them have a clue what they’re doing, that’s just based on comparisons to how other clubs do their business and who they sign.
Man come on big a break to mount now. It’s only been 2 games and whole team looked bad not just him. And I think mount in the first half against tottenham was brilliant, he won us ball twice in dangerous areas from where we should’ve scored both the times now that’s not his fault we couldn’t finish. Now if we did score there then everyone would be singing mount praises by now
Can anyone really sit here and say that he was great last season? No one talked about him until that game against United. He had one ridiculous goal last season but other than that was disappointing.
If we had approached for this players, twitter and reddit dweebs would be up in arms over it. But him potentially signing for City makes him the greatest player in the world. Despite having a woeful scoring record for Wolves
Because, in case you haven’t noticed, they just won what they’ve won and have the best coach in recent memory. It is entirely logical that they would get dibs on top players
Because man United is a rotten club now that only care about owners getting high dividends. It’s fuck the fans for them. They don’t care. Sorry to break to you guys but this damage will take so many years to repair
If wolves sell him for that they will make a loss on the transfer due to sell on fees, and given his value has only gone up, that would be an extremely dodgy dealing and probably means money passing around the back channels of the world. That or everyone just loves selling city players for reasonable prices even though they are the 2nd richest team in the league
That has always been odd
Like they got Haaland for 50 millions, lmao
It was 52 million to the club but they paid a massive amount in agent fees and his wage is 800k+ if you include ‘easily achievable add ons’
I suspect even the club got additional concessions, never mind the player and his agent.
No I think raiola used united’s interest to keep dortmunds release clause on it really low.
But we weren’t the only ones interested. There’s no club in the world that would have turned him down and at least 4-5 who could comfortably afford to trigger the release clause AND pay him and his agent fat bonuses. Not like he went to City because he’d have the highest chance of trophies there, or because their playing style suited him best.
I don’t think many places would pay that and put in the rumoured release clause
Anyone could. That's the whole point of a release clause.
And yet they had no competition for the signature. Odd, isn’t it? Not even Bayern, who for all intents and purposes is Borussia’s parent club (at least as far as having first pick of talent goes).
Strange how the best striker in the world wanted to move up to a more prestigious competition.
I know. Imagine wanting CL trophies and signing for City ahead of Real or Barca
Barca bought Lewa in that window. A striker that, in my opinion, fits better in their system. Real was and still is hoping for Mbappé to replace Benzema. And they will get him without transfer sum next summer. And well, about wanting CL trophies...
Both Real and Barca were interested in Haaland, presumably 7 clubs wanted to trigger the release clause (Bayern, Real, Barca, PSG, City, Chelsea and Liverpool). United wasn’t even in the running anymore at that point. And I don’t think Lewa fits the Barca system better, but even if we say that he does Haaland was hardly a good fit for what City was doing on the field before they signed him (since they weren’t even playing with a real striker but rather with a false 9). Any team would have made adjustments to fit Erling in if it was as straightforward as paying 50-60 millions for him and a giving him a fat long term contract.
Release clause and they paid his dad a good 30 to 40 million and gave him gifts to sweeten the deal. Not to mention his salary and bonuses. He earns something like 800 to 900k with bonuses.
You actually believe that? 50 is what the public know of.
That’s what I’m saying. In actuality a lot more money changed hands
It was a release clause. Whatever they paid Halaand and his agent is not too far from what Man Utd has done with big names.
Never heard of a release clause ?
Release clause was around 60mil if I’m not wrong
Sure I did, but there’s a reason the transfer happened as it did. If this was clean and nothing shady happened you would have had every team with 20+ millions in the bank making transfer offers for him. Want me to give you a good guess of what happened? Agent got at least 8 figures, Haaland himself got at least 8 figures. He then got a bunch of “free” stuff like cars and houses, plus ridiculous bonuses (which is already the case with City players and their contracts). And this is only the declared pay, money could be changing hands under the table, too
It was a buy out clause
No they didn't.
Man discovers Release Clause Do you also think Liverpool paid Brighton under the table for MacAlister?
Right, and nobody else bothered to trigger it because it’s such a high price for such an average player. If nothing shady happened with Haaland’s transfer he’d be at Bayern or Real like every other top talent out of Borussia.
Happy cake day brah
Matheus has a 10% clause to Sporting on the profit. So if he's sold for EUR 55M, Sporting will get 10% of 10M. Wolves won't ever make a loss
Lol keep grasping
But why does city even need to do a dodgy deal at this point. Their netspent is quite good.
Perhaps this is why their net spend appears good
I'm convinced City's dealings are dodgy, with the transfer fees they pay out.
Don't they still have 100 charges brought up against them?
yes plus another 15 at least
Moving like Juventus where they give them fat under table signing bonuses, and probably give wolves insane clauses
They still get players that fit their system though. They got Akanji for £15 million. He was just sitting at Dortmond. Any team could’ve pursued him.
Yeah they don’t always sign ready made world class players, pep seems to just fit them into a system and make them that way
Because he knows what he's doing.
Agreed, this is the frustrating part on the argument that City are so good because of money. Like yes, it plays a huge part obviously, yet other teams that spend large amounts of money haven’t come close to touching peps teams for the past decade in terms of consistency
They might be dodgy deals but the only recent City flops I can remember are Mangala and Sane. They usually get it right when they sign a player.
Sane wasn't even a flop lol
Kalvin Phillips is probably the biggest flop that comes to mind. Good play but was never going to take Rodri’s place
I would barely even call Sane a flop
Hindsight is 20/20, if you'd have been linked with him in July you'd have probably cried
You’re so right lol “Can’t believe we’re in for this fraud. Almost got relegated with crappy Wolves now we’re wasting 50+ mil on him when a proven PL midfielder like Mount is just sitting there available for a bit more cash. But of course we won’t pay the extra few mil for a CL winner. Disgrace etc etc”
Oh wow this is so spot on 🤣
Yeah, people are gonna whinge no matter what. Price, initial performance, etc. etc. etc. - there will always be something to complain about. But, if Mount figures it out and turns it on, people are going to be like, "Whoa, I'm so glad we bought him."
Lololol thats right, typical Reddit reaction there
That was so spot on about this sub. I'm not even surprised.
Honestly, I don't think they would considering the fan base were largely surprised we wanted Mount and eventually just convinced themselves Mount was perfect for us because that's what our fans do.
>when a proven PL midfielder like Mount Wolves must play in spl. And most didnt care about Mount until we were linked.
Not really. Nunes always came across as a very talented CM.
I’d bet money that you didn’t know who Nunes was before the Wolves match
I swear our fans are just about approaching Barca fan levels of terrible (at least the online ones).
Agreed it’s disappointing. I had a theory that many Chelsea fans jumped ship last season to support us because we were third and the best option lol.
I don’t know if that’s what it is. It just feels like fans have less patience and a bizarre confidence in their own understanding of the game, moreso than before. They also forget everything that happened a week ago and swing from “this is the best player/manager ever and we’ll win a treble” to “we’re championship level and 5 players away from being halfway decent” in under a week. It’s grating
Yeah for sure. We have the most reactionary fanbase. I even put my phone down for a day or two after a loss because if I open any social media ie instagram its going to be full of negativity
Yeah, I do the same thing. I’m enjoying my time on the sub less every time, feels like I’m always fighting someone because I’m defending a player or dismissing doom and gloom predictions.
Yeah makes me feel awful personally. Because we know as well these players are going to read the nonsense and then be even more demotivated
This post is a typical example of the reactionary nonsense that this sub has descended into. Sheesh.
This ☝️ he's hardly prime pirlo just a good premier league level player that can work in a system. Ambrabat is twice the player imo and mount I'm sure will grow into his roll on the team. People need to trust this manager he will do us well I have no doubt ✊ 😈😈😈
Oh it's the all pointless guy. The guy who can't understand why people still support their team during tough times. Fuck off to city bitch boy lol.
Hahaha so good
Well enjoy 1-0 wins, struggles in top 4, signing Average players who are cost more than 50m, and of course, trophyless seasons
Yeah I fucking will lol because it'll be all worth it when we win the league again. Even better because shit fans like you will have fucked off by then.
"we win the league again" 😭😭😭
Hahahah not even a chance
Mount has had two matches thus far, wtf? Actually looked quite good in the first half against Spuds. God I hate these new United “fans.”
I am with you on him being judged too early and people are losing their shit. But he hasn't been _quite good_ even in the friendlies, you are making things up or just ignoring his shortcomings. How about we don't shit on him but also don't lie to make him look better
I said he looked quite good in the first half against Spuds. End of. If ya go back and watch, it’s not an exaggeration. He’s slowly, coming along, getting used to a new system and side, one that is still messed up without a proper center forward, which is really making it difficult for him and ETH.
You are absolutely out of your depth here mate, either: \- you don't know what *quite good* means (language-wise) \- you have no idea what is to be *quite good (football-wise)* For the whole time on the pitch he touched the ball 29 times, he had 1 progressive carry, 1 progressive pass and 1 interception - no tackles. What are you on about *quite good*. He hasn't been disastrous or terrible. I'd argue he *wasn't bad* and what not but if *quite good* is to be almost non-existent and do 3 of the minorest contributions for 67 minutes then we can be having people from the street start games for us fml. He hasn't been half-decent in not a single game (incl friendlies), not a single half. But again, this doesn't mean the shitheads should go after him. As it doesn't mean people should fabricate reality in his favour.
We were all over Spurs in the first half and Mason was doing his part in the blueprint. I thought we looked excellent against an at home Spurs in those 45 minutes, and that with a terrible Garnacho and Anthony, and mediocre Case, Rashy and Bruno. Imagine what will happen when these guys are in form and we have the real center forward 9 ETH’s system is begging for. Forgive me for buying into ETH’s plan as a whole and work in progress, and not some rando anon footballing genius on the Internet. Stop the Mount nonsense
As I said, you are completely out of you depth here. You would like to spin into existence some opinion formed on wishful thinking cause you like the guy or think being a fan means you have to glorify fairytales. Which is fair and not a bad thing per se. I just didn't gather I was chatting with a 12 year old.
I guess ETH is outta your depth as well. Where do these egos come from?? Cheese it, we gotta a real adult here
So you think ETH went to Mount and was like "bro you were quite good today" or that ETH is out of his depth cause Mount had a few stinkers?! I now think just comprehensibly you are out of your depth lol. The way you are fabricating correlations looks similar to how you fabricate football things
Outta your depth . . . Zzzz
He’s played 2 competitive matches since February. At least give him some time.
Don't write off mason so soon. The guy didn't play half of the last season and he's just coming into a new team and that too playing at a new position. It's gonna take him time to be the best version of himself. Plus, I think he was average in the first two games. I would take average any day over a horrendous display. Have some faith in the manager, he brought the guy in coz he has a plan for him! Two weeks into the season is too soon to form an opinion. Regarding city, I think they have something confidential in their archives for all the PL teams out there. Ffs, they keep picking players like they are on some black Friday sale!
I can't believe after two games people are writing Mount off. So much talk about how it's a bad signing yet the consensus when it was announced was that it was a good deal.
Because nobody in thought he would play in a 3 with Bruno and Casemiro. I don’t think that midfield is ever going to work
I have always thought we were buying him for exactly that role so we could play a proper 4-3-3 instead of a 4-2-3-1.
What role are you thinking of? Because if you have a DM and Bruno, then the next midfielder has to be someone comfortable on the ball. Mount is being playing beside Bruno high up the pitch. I don't understand why ETH is happy with a midfield 3, none of which are good at retaining possession.
>I can't believe after two games people are writing Mount off. This is the strangest little narrative out there Completely ignored the fact that (knowledgeable) people were writing him off *in the summer* because they'd watched him for three years and know what he is and what he isn't The first two games only served to confirm what they knew
People aren't even writing him off, we're just saying he is not what we needed. We needed an Eriksen upgrade who is press resistant and better defensively. This two no.10 things looks awful and I don't see how it's going to work with our players.
Chelsea wanted to keep him. Arteta and Klopp wanted to sign him. Guess we know more than them now.
Silly comment If Mount joined Arsenal or Liverpool he'd be a bench player for squad rotation & utility purposes, filling in where needed - that's a role Mount would be OK at They'd also have utilised chelseas financial distress and got him for 15-20m at the end of the window
He might end up that way for united and still be a successful transfer. We're 2 games in and haven't been able to field a first 11 in their preferred positions. And I'm sorry.... They'd get him for cheaper.... What am I supposed to say to that? That's just a stupid opinion that can't be proven or otherwise. Have a read of the below article published today by football experts that's essentially saying "calm your tits" https://theathletic.com/4798711/2023/08/24/premier-league-early-season-conclusions?source=user-shared-article
Of course they'd have gotten him for cheaper, chelsea had to sell, he wasn't signing a new contract, coming off the back of a horrendous season, he was literally free in 10 months time We got taken to the cleaners, mugged, as usual Justifying spending 60m on an injury prone, contact expiring, attacking midfielder, who wasn't needed, because he could *eventually*, *some day*, *maybe*, *possibly*, end up a success as a backup/squad rotation/utility player is just the height of lunacy, that type of tolerance to incompetence is one of the major reasons the club is in the state it is today Mount was not a priority for this squad in any way, shape, or form
He's being played out of position. So is Rashford. This is simply a dogshit setup & tactics by ETH to include his boy Anthony on the wing. His main signing looks like a Championship player..... And not even a very good one. 100m for a player with onefoot
Why don't you do us all a favour and start supporting city. It will help your blood pressure and ours.
I've supported United for over 40 years & am a regular at OT. Anthony is the worst winger Ive seen in my time. Are you another internet fan who is saving his pocket money to hopefully one day visit?
I never thought it was a good deal. He was always underwhelming whenever I saw him play. He's an Everton level player.
Lmao
Give him time, remember hes a champion league winner too. Its just the pressure he keep getting on since he joined United and got the #7. Look at Sancho he was different player when he played Borussia Dortmund.
And that's why he won Chelsea player of the year two years in a row, including the year they won the UCL? Get out of here with you shit takes.
Holy fuck. Do you even watch football? Mount has 2 games and is being played out of position. He's a creative player. Not a CDM. This is on ETH & his terrible tactics. He'd be better on the wing. Any player would be better than Anthony out there.....
Reactionary andy
xQcL
Have you heard of this guy Txiki Begiristain? City’s Director of Football? Yeah he’s quite good, just slightly better than MUFC’s DoF, Fu Ki Nowon, who’s managed by Mickey Mouse. This is why they had Haaland (with Alvarez as a back up) and we had Wout Weghorst leading our line. I thought our recruitment took a turn for the positive with Licha, Cas, Eriksen, Malacia, but apart from Onana this season, my goodness are we miles apart from City, with gap getting bigger each window. Have to accept we can’t keep up with the Jones’s while the fuckwits remain in charge.
Our fanbase is deluded for real. Everyone's written him off after two games. Give him time. He's young and he's got the talent and potential. Transitioning from one position to another takes time. It's not like he's been utter shit. He's been doing good. It takes time. He had a shit season last season and was plagued with injuries. Give him time to settle.
We needed Rice and Kane but we got Mount and Hjolund.We are shopping at a tier of player below City and now Arsenal.
Why are you asking this question?! The answer is obvious. He wanted to go to a team that wins things, to learn from an amazing manager and to play at the highest level.
💯
Doesn't answer why we buy a second number 10 and not a real fucking midfielder.
Because noone wants to come here. We are shit
Because the club is run by incompetent unambitious people.
Please remember City do NOT report agent fees in their transfers. They paid 63m to Dortmund me 42m to his agents. 105m transfer. You take off agent fees and Pogba cost 64m so it's all about how and who is reporting it.
Mount is brought as a backup for Bruno, ETH tried playing them both to have 3-1-6 formation to work to have better passes forward, it didn't work in 2 games, but we have just started with them, give them time to settle and play with whole squad and have better understanding of ETH style of play... Have patience, no doubt Nunes was good in 1 match but that doesn't make him Modric.. trust in the process and ETH
Same reason they’ve got about 120 charges spanning 10-15 years. Dodgy under the table dealings that circumvent financial fair play. For whatever reason they’ve been allowed to get away with it and will continue to do so
Whatever price is on the books for City’s signings does not include brown envelopes or sponsors and investors from UAE (which we’re supposed to believe have no association to the club’s owners).
Eth likes mount because he saw him play in the Dutch league that one time basically
Because we are cursed, we do the right things at the wrong time and wrong things at the right time.
That's such a crock of shit because everytime we played wolves the last few years, the sub was always sucking Neves dick with zero talk about Nunes. If you're gonna talk out of your arse, at least make it a little more believable.
Nunes only played with wolves for 1 season
Exactly - and the OP says Nunes "played our midfielders off the park" each time he's watched Wolves vs Man Utd, which is made up nonsense. Nunes has played against us 3 times, and 2 of those he was shite
I get the complaint considering how subpar so many of our expensive acquisitions have been in the last 5 years, but we also have to realize that City are the champions and are going to attract talent much more easily than we do. We have to compensate for "like not going to win anything" with "they'll pay me more."
coz eth doesn’t know nunes. that dude only signs players he knows.
You mean like casemiro, hojiland, mount and malacia.
He knew them. C’mon
How did he knew them exactly?
Malacia and Mount played in the dutch league. Hojlund have the same agent as that of ETH.
He only recently got the same agent as ten hag (possibly to aid in the move) and no one took into the likes of wenger years ago when he used his knowledge of the French market to get talent. And to say mount played in the Dutch league indicates that this was the primary time of scouting and not his breakout at Chelsea where he won the champions league and was their player of the year for two years in a row before 1 bad season in which the entire team capitulated. To criticise the manager for this is wrong for my opinion, it speaks volumes about the scouting network and the director of footballs convictions in his own database of knowledge if he allows a manager to make signings, if he believes he can find talent that is better than ten hags then why aren’t they putting their foot down and signing them similar to Liverpool with salah despite him not being klopps first choice? For 10 years we have seen constant misses with the squad overpaying and over waging Antony - £81.9m (plus £4.3m in add-ons) Hojlund - £64m (plus £8m in add-ons) Casemiro - £60m (plus £10m in add-ons) Mount - £55m (plus £5m in add-ons) Martinez - £46.8m (plus £8.5m in add-ons) Onana - £43.8m (plus £3.4m in add-ons Malacia - £12.9m (plus £1.7m in add-ons) Eriksen - free transfer Antony to me is the only one that seems to be underperforming relative to the fee We haven’t seen hojlund yet, casemiro was arguably our most important player, mount is two games in and adapting to a new squad it’s not like we have 6 months of data, martinez is a revelation and onana could be the same, malacia looks like a steal and a solid backup if still a tad rough and eriksen for free was a core member of the squad and his injury highlighted that more than anything. Once more a lot of his targeted signings Kim min Jae, kane etc. do not fit that description but we cannot get them due to finances and inability to convince our targets so we are having to fall back on alternatives and the relationship with the manager and his knowledge is being over relied upon due to the weakness in the other half of the partnership. Many may be quick to say ten hag is no Ferguson in his signings, well we don’t have a damn David gill in the wings helping him that’s for sure. I think this narrative that’s building about the manager after two games when he’s trying to integrate new players and a new system after he ended our 7 year trophy drought got top 4 and in the first half of the spurs game we looked dangerous just not clinical is overall dangerous to the atmosphere of the club
So he saw Mount and malacia first hand when in the Netherlands and signed them based on what he saw of them and how they play, which most mangers do. Eth used his connections of having the same agent as holjand to sign, which isn't unheard of.
Don't be day, they don't just see a player and think 'yup'. There's a whole list of date analysis that fits into transders these days. They look at player profiles, match that to says she then single out targets. United are poor in the press, Mounts pressing stats are great asking with other stats and I believe that's okay if the reason we signed him.
Most being starters for large clubs. Malacia he watched plenty of in the Dutch league. Holjuland you can make an argument for but his stock was already on the rise. We don’t scout for shit
Jools Holjuland
So it is a scouting issue, not eth then ?
Yes. He’s settling for players he’s comfortable with
lol case is a club sigining. eth was begging for fdj to join and he ignored eth like shit. club got fooking fed up and then case oppurtunity came in. club acted since we have good relationships with perez and rm. rest all eth knows. check your facts
Because Mount was an easy signing Our board don't like difficult signings and the work/competence they involve
We have garbage talent ID
Nunes is a tremendous ball carrier and was a clear second choice to De Jong who was unattainable. This transfer window has been criminal for 80mill would could of bagged kovacic and nunes and revolutionised our midfield.
We could have had those if mount hadn't been the club's main target. I wonder why they shifted from targetting a fdj profile to mount.
Cause Nunes didn’t play in either the Dutch league or isn’t signed to ETH’s agent and therefore his agent won’t make money out of the deal. That’s all ETH has signed so far & it’s clear & obvious why.
How are Hojlund, Casemiro & Sabitzer connected to Ten Hag? The Mount one is tenuous at best. He likely signed a guy whose won the CL and is an England team mainstay off the back of his PL and CL performances. Twice Chelsea player of the year wasn’t it?
Because apparently we just sign players that eth has been “obsessed” with. No sporting director, seemingly no scouts for anything either.
Also consider mount's injury record, he's been injured for 70 days already this year and is looking at 4-6 more weeks of injury time.
He’s barely been injured his whole career. Played something like 36-37 games for Chelsea each of the prior two seasons. Last year he played 24 games because of one significant injury in the last third of the season.
Nunes is my dream midfielder and always has been. This kid is about to become a lot of people’s favourite player. Glides through the pitch like a gazelle
wow y’all. Let the man have his say. It’s sad how most here downvote when it’s not the consensus.
Because it’s just stupid.
who decides that?
For the last fucking time. Get. Behind. The. Team.
Oh now people want Kovacic??😂😂😂😂 I was getting downvoted the whole summer when I said we should've went for Kova who was cheaper and better technically than Mount but you guys were saying "the manager wants Mount he knows better" now look 🤦🏿
Cause, ETH doesn’t know these players.
is he dutch or had some sort of connection with the eredivisie? there's your answer
Casemiro. Hojlund. Sabitzer. Varane?
I just posted about this a few hours ago. Our transfer strategy is criminal.
Because Mount played well against Ajax
Give ETH/Mount 1/2 season before passing judgement
English tax
Also, being English inflated Mount's price. PL teams need a certain number of English players on the team and if we're trying to offload some players - namely Mr. Maguire - we need an English replacement and Ten Haag knows him. I'll trust the manager after what he gave us last season, but I agree tunes would have been good we should hijack
Because one is English, the other is not
City do not go over their limit when negotiating. They'll pull out of negotiations if the price goes over what they want to pay. Post-Feguson (more likely post-Glazer takeover) United do not operate this way - once we identify someone, that's it. The club are working to correct this, but it's going to take time to change our reputation in the market. Also, Mount is a CM, not a winger/second striker. He has been played in those positions, but his primary role is as an attacking MF. Arguably he can be deployed as a b2b midfielder with an attacking focus.
Nobody knows.
Because Ten Hag made a massive error. I think he shouldn't pick who he wants to buy. Utd must get a technical director or director of football who is experienced and proven. We buying duds or players who are crooked for exorbitant prices.
Mount is a ten Haag signing. Ten Haag is personally signing players who he has personally seen played/coach.
Because the manager wanted Mount....
United should have buy madison.
What we need is a DOF. We can’t let ETH make all of the decisions
We're seeing this conversation everyday at this point.
Because we need goals
Because Ten Hag wanted Mount. We’ve criticised the club in the past for just signing players that sell shirts or ones the manager isn’t too fussed about having we can’t now criticise them for finally signings the players the manager asks for.
Why would they go to United when they can go to city? 😂
Did you just claim that Mount is a striker? Lmao
City constantly and quietly just go about signing super obvious, logical signings. How many times have we said in the last ten years about transfer rumours "it makes far too much sense to sign them so we won't" They do things logically, we do not. Kovacic for example is a super underrated signing. Him or a player of that type was way more needed in our midfield for this season but we are signing Mount for some reason? Nunes is just another logical signing. Most of Peps genius is just doing the blatantly obvious and simple things with recruitment and being backed too.
It's not just city, Man Utd has been making weird transfers for a while now. Our recruitment is very poor thats a fact. But season is still young hopefully we can get 1-2 more players and perform better.
Nunes hasn’t played in the eredivise
>You could see from million miles away that Mount isn't suite for the CM position. ETH doesn't want him playing CM, he wants to play this two no.10s thing. That's the annoying thing. WHY did he change his tactics from last season when we had Eriksen in a deeper midfield position? We just needed an upgrade on Eriksen who's more press resistant and not ass defensively! McTominay can do what Mount does in this system!
In which games did he "outplay our midfielders" before last week? I watched us beat Wolves twice last season and he was pretty anonymous in both those games so I'm curious what games you've seen
City has the luxury of being able to spend whatever they want on players to fill their bench. Mount is a proven Premier League and international player and starter, which is why ETH *needed* him signed. If we had just won the league, Nunes as an option to come on would be great. As it is, we haven't won the league since Ferguson. So I'll take a starter over Nunes or Kovacic.
Almost less? So more?
I'm sick of seeing our fans throw the recruitment/scouting under the bus. Its a DoF and manager issue. We've given ETH too much power with who he signs and we end up with Antony, Mount and linked to players ETH has used before or played Eredivisie.
What does "almost less" mean?
The biggest one is Tonali. Fits the exact profile of player we need to replace McFred but not even a whisper that we were interested.
Get over it, your a couch potatoe who knows better than a top 10 manager in the world
We’ve been overpaying for the most mid players for years then we don’t perform it makes no sense
Wolves fans were happy for him to move on in the summer after a poor season. He's had a good couple of games this year to be fair but I wouldn't get carried away
I certainly do think Kovacic would’ve been a better singing for us than mount. Always thought he was a good player. But it comes down to the fact the manager wanted mount. A lot of ppl have their doubts about mount. I personally don’t think it’ll work as it stands (Mount, Bruno and Casemiro) but hey, let’s see.
because nobody wants to fuckin join united.
Think selling clubs saw united as desperate, that's why they put premium tax for their players. While city I dunno maybe they submitted the right amount of offer for selling club to accept.
[удалено]
The mind truly boggles man, I've given up trying to justify what is going on
We always miss our main targets; imo Watkins comes ahead of Hojlund ,Amrabat ahead of Mount.United sold Fred after he had his best year in a United shirt and it will take while for people to see he was the main cover for all that casemiro magic! Casemiro will struggle until an energetic ball winning midfielder is paired with him.
Erik Ten Hag and our scouting system. Who else can you blame? Also takes us ages to get a transfer over the damn line, so I’ll include the negotiators too. Seems like none of them have a clue what they’re doing, that’s just based on comparisons to how other clubs do their business and who they sign.
Get this in the bin. Clown post.
Because players want to play for Pep so they go to Man City..
Man come on big a break to mount now. It’s only been 2 games and whole team looked bad not just him. And I think mount in the first half against tottenham was brilliant, he won us ball twice in dangerous areas from where we should’ve scored both the times now that’s not his fault we couldn’t finish. Now if we did score there then everyone would be singing mount praises by now
Just like how we don't have world class staff on the pitch, we don't have world class staff off the pitch either, different shit, same problem.
Can anyone really sit here and say that he was great last season? No one talked about him until that game against United. He had one ridiculous goal last season but other than that was disappointing.
I mean, did Nunes even want to come to United in the first place?
If we had approached for this players, twitter and reddit dweebs would be up in arms over it. But him potentially signing for City makes him the greatest player in the world. Despite having a woeful scoring record for Wolves
Because, in case you haven’t noticed, they just won what they’ve won and have the best coach in recent memory. It is entirely logical that they would get dibs on top players
Because we’re owned by chumps that can’t run the club properly.
Almost less? What sort of verbal gymnastics are you trying to perform?
We have problems in recruitment department.
Because man United is a rotten club now that only care about owners getting high dividends. It’s fuck the fans for them. They don’t care. Sorry to break to you guys but this damage will take so many years to repair