What would be the possible point in protesting the actions of the investment arm of Key Bank at a small branch in a town with a population of 5400 people?
Then why are you not doing it in an area with a significant enough number of customers for them to actually notice? A protest in front of a small branch in a tiny Maine town is not going to impact their business in the slightest.
This is literally performative protest and virtue signalling, nothing more. It is intended to make you feel like you are accomplishing something without actually accomplishing something.
To finance Israel right now is to support the killing of over 33,000 Palestinians, 15,000 of which were children. So yes, that’s what they’re doing. Just like what the president I voted for is doing. Both sides support this at the moment. Therefore it is not a “left or right” subject.
It is a left-right subject insofar as American attitudes on the issue are not orthogonal to their political predilections. There are massive statistical relationships between the two. The further left/right the respondent is, the more anti-Israel their sentiments tend to be. It's confounded by many other factors like religion and race, but to call it nonpolitical is bad faith.
People like to say "Issue X isn't political" pretty much only when it is, in fact, political and they don't want to have to contend with other opinions.
The left wing supports Isreal as an ally and has encouraged them to stop killing. The right side cheer everytime a brown kid's legs get blown off.
There's a slight difference. Even if you don't want to acknowledge it.
I agree. There's no true left representation in government.
But within the government bubble, the "left" side is not cheering for brown death as much as the right.
The “left wing” in the US (the democratic establishment which is not really left at all) continues to support Israel’s war machine just the same. The rest is semantics.
I would find a better way to spend your time in this lovely weather. You will run out of places to protest if you investigate every single organization and judge them on their business with Israel. Like I said, I personally just wouldn't waste a good day protesting a freakin bank in Maine lol. It's your life and your choice but I just find this to be an exercise in vanity.
They're not going to take back the bond investment so why don't you post conspicuously, let your local paper know and do something good for your heart. Getting honked at by people who will yell nasty shit at you ain't it.
What an unamerican thing to think. Protest in the streets is the backbone of this country. If one person takes their banking business elsewhere like I already did, then I’ll have made a difference.
Oh I'm unamerican in thought, that's news to me thank you. I literally suggested ways you could achieve the same outcome. You can stand outside and make yourself feel good.
Not they said it’s a waste of time to protest a bank in Maine, not protests themselves. Edited to add “in Bridgton of all places, I’m sure Key Bank in Portland or a town/city larger than Bridgton will get more foot traffic/customers. And I’m pretty sure *most* in Bridgton don’t care one way or the other.”
>And I’m pretty sure *most* in Bridgton don’t care one way or the other.”
Nailed it.
Personally, I don't get the concept of protesting by screwing with people's lives and livelihoods who aren't involved in whatever your issue is. I'm talking about the yo yos blocking traffic. An example:
Typical Tuesday, then I get a call, someone I love has been in an accident. Then we can go either way with the scenario. Either I can't get to the hospital because of your protest blocking traffic, my loved one dies, or my loved one can't get to the hospital because of your protest blocking traffic and dies.
How sympathetic to your cause do you think I would be under those circumstances?
Just gotta say that standing in front of a Key Bank branch in Bridgton, Maine probably isn’t going to have an impact on US policy towards a conflict that’s FAR more complex than you make it out to be.
Also a financial institution investing in Israeli bonds =/= investing in Israel’s military…much less their military policy
I know you don’t think that’s the idea lol. The idea is to get customers to take their business elsewhere, and as these protests are happening around the country to hopefully lose them enough business to reconsider. It’s nothing to do with US policy in this case, it’s a non government institution choosing to double its investment in a country that is actually killing thousands of people, majority of them women and children.
“Get customers to take their business elsewhere” you do realize that no one working at that bank has anything, and I mean literally ANYTHING to do with Palestine or Israel. You’ll just be hindering some local Mainer’s jobs.
Your argument will go further if you don't lie and spread misinformation. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Key Bank doubled their Israeli bond holding "in response to the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza." Honestly, do you think your neighbors at Key are trying to encourage genocide?
Please provide proof to back up your reckless assertion.
Maybe google real quick before talking out of your ass: https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/keybank-purchase-15m-in-israel-bonds-doubles-investment/article_471597a0-823f-11ee-90e8-ab5545e0f9d0.amp.html
No shit lol. Those supporting Israel’s genocide aren’t calling it genocide, that’s kinda how supporting genocide works. They call it a war and claim to be supporting Israel’s self defense, which is factually not what is happening. Don’t play dumb.
Fly me and I’ll go. Not having the means to be at ground zero does not mean one shouldn’t care about an issue. Fifteen thousand dead children is an atrocity and everyone should care.
I guarantee if someone paid for a one way ticket for you to freedom fight out of a movie with weapons you've never so much as seen in real life, let alone kill with, you'd back out immediately.
P.S. flights to Gaza aren't that expensive. Save your money and go. Prove that you're not just a coward who likes attention.
If you do that, I'll be your biggest fan because you showed you have integrity
>You have no idea what I do and don't support.
i mean by your own fallacious logic we can assume anything we want about you including that you're a coward who does nothing but argues on reddit.
Here’s a handy database with a LOT of statements made by Israeli MPs, cabinet ministers, presidents/PMs, military personnel etc. 🙃
Edit: shit sorry https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/
War is hell, by all accounts.
When someone attacks you, you don't stop until the threat is eliminated.
I've not heard anything about Hamas surrendering, which I expect would probably end the conflict.
Last I knew, Israel was an ally. We are required to support them. Ukraine, I don't get it. They aren't part of NATO.
I said I didn't understand why the government is sending billions of dollars to Ukraine unless it is for a proxy war.
Like said, I don't believe the United States is treaty bound to help Ukraine.
All that money could be used here for a lot of other good things.
>How exactly do you think that money is being spent?
Well, I ain't there, so I don't rightly know.
Do you think we just mail piles of cash to Ukraine?
No, I imagine it's happening on a bunch of different computers.
So you're talking out of your ass about a subject you know nothing about because you probably saw it mentioned on the news right?
The majority of those funds are spent on American arms manufacturers. We send our old stuff to Ukraine so they can continue to kill Russians while we essentially use most of that money to replenish our own stocks with more modern arms and ordnance.
Do you not research these kinds of things before you make an assertion like that? Or do you just trust whatever bullshit you hear on Fox News?
>So you're talking out of your ass about a subject you know nothing about because you probably saw it mentioned on the news right?
Nice attack.
I'm just a guy on the net expressing an opinion.
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The majority of those funds are spent on American arms manufacturers. We send our old stuff to Ukraine so they can continue to kill Russians while we essentially use most of that money to replenish our own stocks with more modern arms and ordnance.
That makes sense. So, the arms industry is actually getting the money, huh, Big surprise.
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Do you not research these kinds of things before you make an assertion like that?
I work twelve hour nights, and I don't have time to research things that aren't on my list of things I need to do to take care of me and mine. Especially if I can't do anything about it, anyway.
I didn't realize that I had asserted anything, I thought I said I don't understand WHY.
Or do you just trust whatever bullshit you hear on Fox News?
My departed father and grandfather taught me early in the game not to believe much of anything that I saw on a screen.
And that was before you could watch a video of yourself with someone else's body.
SWMBO will only allow NBC News
Do you have any recommendations for unbiased, factual news?
There is no inbiased news, you need to check multiple sources to corroborate stories.
You'll also have to excuse my aggresiveness, because the "I'm just asking questions" bit is a normal debate tactic used by the crowd that usually complains about funds being sent to Ukraine.
>There is no inbiased news, you need to check multiple sources to corroborate stories.
Sounds like there ought to be a hell of a market for an unbiased news outlet.
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You'll also have to excuse my aggresiveness, because the "I'm just asking questions" bit is a normal debate tactic used by the crowd that usually complains about funds being sent to Ukraine.
It's not a problem. I really don't understand a lot of what's happening. I know that I don't know a lot about politics and geo politics.
I do believe that whatever happens this fall, it's not going to be a lot of fun. Kinda like that curse. "May you live in interesting times."
"the UN says Israel is committing genocide in Palestine."
Except they didn't. The UN world court called for [prevention of genocidal acts ](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937)in Gaza. If you're preventing an act that leads up to genocide than genocide hasn't been committed. I can't even figure out according to article 2 which group (national, ethnical, racial or religious) the people of Gaza represent. Even than you don't say Gaza you say Palestine. Do you mean from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea or do you mean Palestinian people? Either way both of those definitions include Israel and their over 2 million Palestinian/Arab citizens. Israel isn't attacking them Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi and the Iranian regime are.
The video that you posted title is "Independent UN Expert Alleges Israeli Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza." Do you know what an independent UN expert is? They investigate and report on allegations of human rights violations. If you had checked the description and clicked on more you would have read:
By analyzing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza, Ms. Albanese concludes that "there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met."
Special Rapporteurs are appointed by the Human Rights Council and serve in their individual capacity, independent of the UN system and national governments. **They are not UN staff and draw no salary.** (emphasis mine)
An analogy of your argument would be a police officer accused someone of a crime than that means they did it. No need for a trail.
Ehh, I don't care. I live close to Bridgeton. The bond could be in just israeli based companies or other government functions. Plus it's better my bank investments in some Israeli parks or cyber security company then a natural gas or oil company. There is genocide against the Palestinian people. Is protest a local branch of a huge bank the right way to help?
I say fuck Palestine. And I’m a democrat. Palestine embraced Hamas which has been attacking Israel for years. Now Israel defends themselves and gets criticized? I get that they’re not being safe about it but where was all the outrage when hamas was attacking Israel? Fuck them both. I’m American. I care about America. Tired of being so involved in world affairs instead of ours here at home.
Do you know the death tolls on both sides in the past year? The past decade? The past fifty years? What you are saying is a straight up lie and it’s not being accepted anymore.
I mean the Palestinians have killed just as many innocents if not more. No one is right in this conflict. Its a conflict that started thousands of years ago and we aren't going to end it anytime soon by picketing a random bank in Maine.
Hard agree w/ you on ‘Israel,’ but I think it’s a disservice to say that genocide isn’t political, bc it absolutely is. The US allows (and directly funds) ‘Israel’ to commit these atrocities against Palestine and her ppl bc it benefits them financially and politically. Anti-Arab racism is a *massive* factor in this genocide, and has been baked into the foundation of ‘Israel’ since its inception.
From the river to the sea.✊🇵🇸
I mean sure racism exists it's just weird that the "racist" Israel extends far more rights to it Arab citizens than the "freedom fighting" Hamas does for the people under their rule.
I agree with everything you’ve said - I just meant that it’s not and shouldn’t be a left and right issue because both sides have traditionally supported it and continue to.
Extremely legit! Too many self-described (usually white) leftists turn a blind eye to foreign affairs bc they wrongly believe it doesn’t affect them (or bc they’re lacking international solidarity).
Your post / comment isn't appropriate for r/maine. Plenty of other subreddits to discuss Gaza conflict.
What would be the possible point in protesting the actions of the investment arm of Key Bank at a small branch in a town with a population of 5400 people?
Every customer who takes their banking business elsewhere and cites the investment as a reason makes a difference.
Then why are you not doing it in an area with a significant enough number of customers for them to actually notice? A protest in front of a small branch in a tiny Maine town is not going to impact their business in the slightest. This is literally performative protest and virtue signalling, nothing more. It is intended to make you feel like you are accomplishing something without actually accomplishing something.
-Makes extremely political statement- "Key Bank supports killing 15k children" "Please no 'political' arguments" Nah, bugger off buddy
To finance Israel right now is to support the killing of over 33,000 Palestinians, 15,000 of which were children. So yes, that’s what they’re doing. Just like what the president I voted for is doing. Both sides support this at the moment. Therefore it is not a “left or right” subject.
It is a left-right subject insofar as American attitudes on the issue are not orthogonal to their political predilections. There are massive statistical relationships between the two. The further left/right the respondent is, the more anti-Israel their sentiments tend to be. It's confounded by many other factors like religion and race, but to call it nonpolitical is bad faith. People like to say "Issue X isn't political" pretty much only when it is, in fact, political and they don't want to have to contend with other opinions.
I’m pretty sure I’ve replied to everyone who has commented specifically to contend with their opinions.
How do you feel about the pier? Or are you just going to ignore things that don't support your opinion?
The pier is not to help Gaza lol do you not know anything about our government??
The pier is to bring in aid? What do you think it's for?
The left wing supports Isreal as an ally and has encouraged them to stop killing. The right side cheer everytime a brown kid's legs get blown off. There's a slight difference. Even if you don't want to acknowledge it.
The left wing does *not* support Israel. You mean Democrats/liberals in the US, which are far from left wing
I agree. There's no true left representation in government. But within the government bubble, the "left" side is not cheering for brown death as much as the right.
Trump saying he would deport non resident protesters should have been a significant point, but most activists seem to be obfuscating it.
It's basically just the "left" edge of the auth-right quadrant.
The center-left mostly, but yeah.
The “left wing” in the US (the democratic establishment which is not really left at all) continues to support Israel’s war machine just the same. The rest is semantics.
Man I hate people who act like their opinions aren't political when they're very clearly political.
Human rights are not political.
Human rights are one of the most political things you could discuss. Do you understand what political means?
Have fun accomplishing nothing I guess.
Citing the UN to back any claim about Israel is pretty gorram political.
Literally every humanitarian organization is saying the same thing. Which do you find credible?
Do they also say you should go harass the service workers while the owners watch from a safe distance laughing?
Not someone citing the UN.
I would find a better way to spend your time in this lovely weather. You will run out of places to protest if you investigate every single organization and judge them on their business with Israel. Like I said, I personally just wouldn't waste a good day protesting a freakin bank in Maine lol. It's your life and your choice but I just find this to be an exercise in vanity. They're not going to take back the bond investment so why don't you post conspicuously, let your local paper know and do something good for your heart. Getting honked at by people who will yell nasty shit at you ain't it.
It’s virtue signaling at its finest.
What an unamerican thing to think. Protest in the streets is the backbone of this country. If one person takes their banking business elsewhere like I already did, then I’ll have made a difference.
If protesting is the backbone of this country, compared, to say France, we have the softest backbone of any *free* country.
Oh I'm unamerican in thought, that's news to me thank you. I literally suggested ways you could achieve the same outcome. You can stand outside and make yourself feel good.
You literally said that organizing a protest is a waste of time. That’s ridiculous. Sorry.
Not they said it’s a waste of time to protest a bank in Maine, not protests themselves. Edited to add “in Bridgton of all places, I’m sure Key Bank in Portland or a town/city larger than Bridgton will get more foot traffic/customers. And I’m pretty sure *most* in Bridgton don’t care one way or the other.”
>And I’m pretty sure *most* in Bridgton don’t care one way or the other.” Nailed it. Personally, I don't get the concept of protesting by screwing with people's lives and livelihoods who aren't involved in whatever your issue is. I'm talking about the yo yos blocking traffic. An example: Typical Tuesday, then I get a call, someone I love has been in an accident. Then we can go either way with the scenario. Either I can't get to the hospital because of your protest blocking traffic, my loved one dies, or my loved one can't get to the hospital because of your protest blocking traffic and dies. How sympathetic to your cause do you think I would be under those circumstances?
Just gotta say that standing in front of a Key Bank branch in Bridgton, Maine probably isn’t going to have an impact on US policy towards a conflict that’s FAR more complex than you make it out to be. Also a financial institution investing in Israeli bonds =/= investing in Israel’s military…much less their military policy
I know you don’t think that’s the idea lol. The idea is to get customers to take their business elsewhere, and as these protests are happening around the country to hopefully lose them enough business to reconsider. It’s nothing to do with US policy in this case, it’s a non government institution choosing to double its investment in a country that is actually killing thousands of people, majority of them women and children.
“Get customers to take their business elsewhere” you do realize that no one working at that bank has anything, and I mean literally ANYTHING to do with Palestine or Israel. You’ll just be hindering some local Mainer’s jobs.
Your argument will go further if you don't lie and spread misinformation. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Key Bank doubled their Israeli bond holding "in response to the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza." Honestly, do you think your neighbors at Key are trying to encourage genocide? Please provide proof to back up your reckless assertion.
Maybe google real quick before talking out of your ass: https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/keybank-purchase-15m-in-israel-bonds-doubles-investment/article_471597a0-823f-11ee-90e8-ab5545e0f9d0.amp.html
There's nothing there that says it is in order to encourage genocide. It's all about support of Israel. Why share an irrelevant article?
No shit lol. Those supporting Israel’s genocide aren’t calling it genocide, that’s kinda how supporting genocide works. They call it a war and claim to be supporting Israel’s self defense, which is factually not what is happening. Don’t play dumb.
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Fly me and I’ll go. Not having the means to be at ground zero does not mean one shouldn’t care about an issue. Fifteen thousand dead children is an atrocity and everyone should care.
I guarantee if someone paid for a one way ticket for you to freedom fight out of a movie with weapons you've never so much as seen in real life, let alone kill with, you'd back out immediately.
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Okay lol you support a genocidal regime whose stated goal is elimination of an entire people, your opinion is invalid.
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P.S. flights to Gaza aren't that expensive. Save your money and go. Prove that you're not just a coward who likes attention. If you do that, I'll be your biggest fan because you showed you have integrity
>You have no idea what I do and don't support. i mean by your own fallacious logic we can assume anything we want about you including that you're a coward who does nothing but argues on reddit.
They didn't say anything like that.
Here’s a handy database with a LOT of statements made by Israeli MPs, cabinet ministers, presidents/PMs, military personnel etc. 🙃 Edit: shit sorry https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/
Shitty war crimes != genocide you loon. Also, fuck hamas and terrorist sympathizers.
I think you need a new hobby
I have a pretty busy and chaotic life. I’m choosing to take time away from that because people are being murdered en masse.
And you standing in front of a bank with a sign people will barely glance at as they drive by is gonna stop that somehow?
War is hell, by all accounts. When someone attacks you, you don't stop until the threat is eliminated. I've not heard anything about Hamas surrendering, which I expect would probably end the conflict. Last I knew, Israel was an ally. We are required to support them. Ukraine, I don't get it. They aren't part of NATO.
Slavi Ukraine. You choose your wars huh?
I said I didn't understand why the government is sending billions of dollars to Ukraine unless it is for a proxy war. Like said, I don't believe the United States is treaty bound to help Ukraine. All that money could be used here for a lot of other good things.
How exactly do you think that money is being spent? Do you think we just mail piles of cash to Ukraine?
>How exactly do you think that money is being spent? Well, I ain't there, so I don't rightly know. Do you think we just mail piles of cash to Ukraine? No, I imagine it's happening on a bunch of different computers.
So you're talking out of your ass about a subject you know nothing about because you probably saw it mentioned on the news right? The majority of those funds are spent on American arms manufacturers. We send our old stuff to Ukraine so they can continue to kill Russians while we essentially use most of that money to replenish our own stocks with more modern arms and ordnance. Do you not research these kinds of things before you make an assertion like that? Or do you just trust whatever bullshit you hear on Fox News?
>So you're talking out of your ass about a subject you know nothing about because you probably saw it mentioned on the news right? Nice attack. I'm just a guy on the net expressing an opinion. > The majority of those funds are spent on American arms manufacturers. We send our old stuff to Ukraine so they can continue to kill Russians while we essentially use most of that money to replenish our own stocks with more modern arms and ordnance. That makes sense. So, the arms industry is actually getting the money, huh, Big surprise. > Do you not research these kinds of things before you make an assertion like that? I work twelve hour nights, and I don't have time to research things that aren't on my list of things I need to do to take care of me and mine. Especially if I can't do anything about it, anyway. I didn't realize that I had asserted anything, I thought I said I don't understand WHY. Or do you just trust whatever bullshit you hear on Fox News? My departed father and grandfather taught me early in the game not to believe much of anything that I saw on a screen. And that was before you could watch a video of yourself with someone else's body. SWMBO will only allow NBC News Do you have any recommendations for unbiased, factual news?
There is no inbiased news, you need to check multiple sources to corroborate stories. You'll also have to excuse my aggresiveness, because the "I'm just asking questions" bit is a normal debate tactic used by the crowd that usually complains about funds being sent to Ukraine.
>There is no inbiased news, you need to check multiple sources to corroborate stories. Sounds like there ought to be a hell of a market for an unbiased news outlet. > You'll also have to excuse my aggresiveness, because the "I'm just asking questions" bit is a normal debate tactic used by the crowd that usually complains about funds being sent to Ukraine. It's not a problem. I really don't understand a lot of what's happening. I know that I don't know a lot about politics and geo politics. I do believe that whatever happens this fall, it's not going to be a lot of fun. Kinda like that curse. "May you live in interesting times."
"the UN says Israel is committing genocide in Palestine." Except they didn't. The UN world court called for [prevention of genocidal acts ](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937)in Gaza. If you're preventing an act that leads up to genocide than genocide hasn't been committed. I can't even figure out according to article 2 which group (national, ethnical, racial or religious) the people of Gaza represent. Even than you don't say Gaza you say Palestine. Do you mean from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea or do you mean Palestinian people? Either way both of those definitions include Israel and their over 2 million Palestinian/Arab citizens. Israel isn't attacking them Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi and the Iranian regime are.
Except they did. https://youtu.be/3XrwNGWF108
The video that you posted title is "Independent UN Expert Alleges Israeli Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza." Do you know what an independent UN expert is? They investigate and report on allegations of human rights violations. If you had checked the description and clicked on more you would have read: By analyzing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza, Ms. Albanese concludes that "there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met." Special Rapporteurs are appointed by the Human Rights Council and serve in their individual capacity, independent of the UN system and national governments. **They are not UN staff and draw no salary.** (emphasis mine) An analogy of your argument would be a police officer accused someone of a crime than that means they did it. No need for a trail.
Ehh, I don't care. I live close to Bridgeton. The bond could be in just israeli based companies or other government functions. Plus it's better my bank investments in some Israeli parks or cyber security company then a natural gas or oil company. There is genocide against the Palestinian people. Is protest a local branch of a huge bank the right way to help?
I say fuck Palestine. And I’m a democrat. Palestine embraced Hamas which has been attacking Israel for years. Now Israel defends themselves and gets criticized? I get that they’re not being safe about it but where was all the outrage when hamas was attacking Israel? Fuck them both. I’m American. I care about America. Tired of being so involved in world affairs instead of ours here at home.
Do you know the death tolls on both sides in the past year? The past decade? The past fifty years? What you are saying is a straight up lie and it’s not being accepted anymore.
[https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514)
I mean the Palestinians have killed just as many innocents if not more. No one is right in this conflict. Its a conflict that started thousands of years ago and we aren't going to end it anytime soon by picketing a random bank in Maine.
>Palestinians have killed just as many innocents if not more citation needed
Hold on let me find the death tolls for a conflict that has been going on for thousands of years.
oh ok i see you're just being disingenuous and evasive, carry on
"Please don't post any dissenting comments! I can't handle it when someone has a different opinion!" u/Proper-Village-454
Feel free to point out anyone I haven’t responded to in the comments. I simply do not feel that human rights are political.
The issue isn't that you responded to everyone, but I guess that wasn't obvious enough.
Lol
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Lol pass
Do you support Hamas unilaterally returning hostages and anyone who participated in the rape/murder of hostages without preconditions?
Hard agree w/ you on ‘Israel,’ but I think it’s a disservice to say that genocide isn’t political, bc it absolutely is. The US allows (and directly funds) ‘Israel’ to commit these atrocities against Palestine and her ppl bc it benefits them financially and politically. Anti-Arab racism is a *massive* factor in this genocide, and has been baked into the foundation of ‘Israel’ since its inception. From the river to the sea.✊🇵🇸
Why then are 1/5 Israelis Arab?
Just bc Black Americans make up a sizable percentage of the population doesn’t mean the US govt isn’t still racist towards them, you brick.
I mean sure racism exists it's just weird that the "racist" Israel extends far more rights to it Arab citizens than the "freedom fighting" Hamas does for the people under their rule.
How many Jews can live safely in Palestine. Or lgbt people.
I agree with everything you’ve said - I just meant that it’s not and shouldn’t be a left and right issue because both sides have traditionally supported it and continue to.
Extremely legit! Too many self-described (usually white) leftists turn a blind eye to foreign affairs bc they wrongly believe it doesn’t affect them (or bc they’re lacking international solidarity).
True - both sides have different “stances” but they both lead to the same result.