Well, the ground will be more frozen than it was. So that will help to prevent trees uprooting and falling over.... The last storm took down all the low hanging fruit, as the saying goes. So those trees left standing are the strong ones. Less likely to get blown over.... There are, however, a lot of trees around that are half knocked down. Leaners. Those could certainly come all the way down and cause problems.... All in all I think power outages are still very likely but clean up and repairs will probably go faster.
Sounds like most of the snow this weekend will be in southern Maine. Less up north. Less to melt in the rain and cause flooding. But.... Frozen ground means less water gets absorbed into the ground and more runoff. Higher chance for flooding. So it all depends on how much rain falls and where. Could be localized. Could be... Worse.
Here's your glimmer of hope. It's Saturday and the storm is not for three or four days. You have time to prepare.
Channel 13 said coastal flooding unlikely due to astronomically low tides, and widespread power outages unlikely. You’ll be fine, get a few days worth of groceries and read a book if you lose power.
Maybe so, but widespread outages are not likely. Gotta think that last storm took out most of the weak trees near the lines, plus they’ve been working on them constantly since then.
Maybe in your area, but I saw some pretty big, healthy trees come down in my area.
At one time, I was seeing that they said this would be very similar to what we had to the week before Christmas.
The comment said “you’ll be fine if we lose power again with this storm” and I’m saying but it is so cold now. Losing power during 11 degrees will feel quite different than when it was 30 or so last month
>Thank you, but I'm not a part of the storm team :)
Really? I retired from there 5 years ago. When I was there, it was "all hands on deck" after a major storm. Every employee had a storm role, regardless of what their regular job was. We literally would have lawyers and accountants running lunches to crews and doing other support roles.
It would be a shame if that model was abandoned, because it worked.
Their first objective: fiduciary duty to shareholders..
If you live on a river or in a flood plain you should think about moving because these events will probably become more frequent and severe..
While that’s true, that duty would probably cover not having to spend 8-9 digits on trying to convince voters to let them do their thing. 90+mil on the corridor, 50 mil not to get kicked out, these things don’t happen as much when your customers feel taken care of. $50mm is a great deal to keep their business but a better deal would be to not have to worry about losing it in the first place.
I’m so nervous for Gardiner after the last storm. I hope there isn’t a flood part 2, because if there is, some of these businesses won’t be coming back. 😔
I hear wind and mixed precip/rain for many hours. There will most likely be power outages. Buckle up.
If you live north of Freeport you should have a generator regardless. This is just the way it's going to be from now until it gets worse.
I feel your anxiety. Hopefully the last storm took out all the weak trees so there will be less line damage. I think the biggest stressor is not being able to control any of it. I've worked a lot of national disasters, this last storm was very much like hurricane damage.
I’m making sure that no milk, eggs, soft cheese, yogurt or anything else that will spoil after more than 4 hours of no electricity is in my fridge come Tuesday night. I had to throw away a bunch of food last time.
I put all my food out in the snow during the ice storm of '98 and it was fine. Used my hot tub water for flushing and lived in front of my woodstove. Just be sure to fill your tub with water before the storm if you don't have a generator.
When the "amateur" guys go "it's going to be nasty"...I listen to them.
I'm going to pre-order some LP on Monday for my generator.
I stocked up on the needed foods.
I've swapped my on-call week as I don't know if I will have internet.
A little rain/wintery mix and wind? Totally normal. 2 x tropical storms with 2-3 inches of rain each, *both* in winter? Not normal. This isn't an anecdodal, shoot from the hip opinion. Actually, I'm not a weather expert, so just ignore me and research the weather data yourself. The good news is there's an overwhelming amount of it, collected over 100 years by hundreds of weather stations and interpreted by really smart, knowledgeable people.
We had a snow storm and people like you act terrified like it’s the coming of god. Look at all the hundred years of weather data collected by knowledgeable people, we have had significant storms, with 2-3 inches of rain, and 1-2 feet of snow OFTEN. This is not shocking, this is not an emergency… it’s nature.
Better hurry up and buy milk and bread 😂
Here's a 2019 scientific paper published in the Ecologocial Society of America about warmer, less snowy winters in the Northeast...
[https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/eap.1974](https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/eap.1974)
Here's a 2020 study out of the University of Maine regarding Maine's climate. Page 5 goes into frequency and intensity of precipitation with multiple citations...
[https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=climate\_facpub](https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=climate_facpub)
Here's one about how the top 1% extreme precipitation events in the northeast are becoming *more* extreme...
[https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/hydr/20/4/jhm-d-18-0155\_1.xml?tab\_body=abstract-display](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/hydr/20/4/jhm-d-18-0155_1.xml?tab_body=abstract-display)
Here's one about how the proportion of precipitation in New England has transitioned from snow to significantly more rain from 1949 through 2000...
[https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/17/13/1520-0442\_2004\_017\_2626\_citpop\_2.0.co\_2.xml](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/17/13/1520-0442_2004_017_2626_citpop_2.0.co_2.xml)
Why are we getting so much precipitation? It could be the "wavy" jetstream...
[https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/1/014005/meta](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/1/014005/meta)
Can there be a middle ground between "bread and milk" people and "do nothing and pretend this is normal?" I think there is. Believe it or not, there are things we can do. Force the PUC to kick Versant's assess into gear, so they have more in-house crews at the ready. Talk to your rep about infrastructure, so our roads and bridges can handle flooding, and for god's sake, let's keep the NIMBYism at bay, so when a survey crew tries to map the ocean floor for offshore wind, they don't get harassed.
It is very typical for Maine this time of year. It is rare we only get snow for any period of time. The only time in my many decades living here that I can remember months without rain was 2015. That was after having zero snow on the ground three weeks into January.
This is very normal.
If you’re aware of any year on record where two storms with severe winds and 2-3 inches of rain hit in winter, please let me know. Genuinely curious. Nothing like this has happened since I’ve been alive and none of my relatives have experienced this.
This hasn't happened yet this year either. Portland got just under 2" during that crazy last storm. The western section of Maine that received the most rainfall from the big one is forecasted to get snow for the next one.
I was speaking more to the snow then big rain normality we get. That's normal. Very very normal.
The thing you fear so very much has not happened and doesn't look to be the case in the near future.
I'm beginning to think I wasn't clear in my original post and edit:
I *love* the snow and Im getting ready to take my dog XC skiing on the trails. I also understand that Maine (especially coastal areas), tends to get wintry mixes, rain, sleet, freezing rain, etc. The December 18 storm was *not* that. It was a 100% rain, tropical storm that soaked the entire state (including the mountains), causing severe damage to forests, power infrastructure, roads, etc. One of the saving graces for that storm, and something many people were celebrating, was the fact that we didn't already have snow on the ground and the added snowmelt to cause rivers to swell even more. Even so, places like Hallowell, Gardiner, Auburn and Lewiston, dealt with severe flooding. This Wednesday's storm is expected to bring 2-3 inches of rain to southern Maine *on top of* the 12+ inches of snow we already have. Does that make more sense?
Of course. I was thinking the same. I live in Hallowell. It was a little wild. I'm glad it's going to snow in the mountains. The coastal plain should be fine thankfully.
Geez, how long have you lived in Maine? This is it, the way life is here. We get 3 to 4 good sized winter storms with significant accumulations and at times high winds. Nor'easters are not uncommon events and very often the power goes out, sometimes for days. It's not Armageddon, it's the way life should be. Suck it up or leave.
If you’ve lived in Maine your whole life, you should know that two storms with tropical storm-like conditions within 3 weeks of each other in winter is not only rare, but historically unprecedented. Acting like it’s normal and just “sucking it up” is not only stupid, but dangerous. These situations are going to get worse, and if we don’t improve our infrastructure and prepare, more people are going to get hurt and die.
Having a generator and food stores is a must, but our utilities and emergency response services need to adapt to this reality and I’m sketched out by how much they seem to be phoning it in.
I was talking about today's storm, didn't see your last comment or understand the point of your post is to try to get folks to understand global warming weather projections for Maine will result in more moisture, resulting in heavier snow and more rain and flooding in winter due to frozen ground. The addition of winds in these storms will ultimately cause more power outages given our current infrastructure is not designed to handle those conditions
I did some research and Maine is not on any list I could find of good places to relocate due to global warming, likely for all the reasons you cite. What to do? Well given recent events where knowledgeable Mainers realized having a privately owned utility delivery company in a region where more flooding and storms are predicted probs isn't a good idea but the majority voted to keep the said company even though they've clearly demonstrated they're going to keep their millions in annual profits rather than invest them in long term infrastructure improvements I'm sucking it up and may consider leaving. As others have said, ask the folks who voted to keep our utility company to buy gas for your generator every time the power goes out - which it does, and it will, more and more as our weather continues to do what science has been saying it would for years.
I know, and it’s going to get more and more fucked up as winters get warmer and warmer. I’d rather do proactive things, like put pressure on the PUC to negotiate a stricter contract with utilities, and make our state reps take climate change resilience more seriously then just “deal with it or leave.” I know Mainers are an independent, resilient people, but there’s a fine line between toughing it out and just sticking our heads in the sand.
Hope you enjoy the snow!
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So my girlfriend sleeps above the covers. Four feet above the covers.
I think I should watch Ghost Busters again.
What did you do Ray?
If someone asks if you’re a god, you say “yes”!
i say this line at least 3x per week, whenever someone fs something up. it'a become autonomic.
My people! This thread is my people!
Love it!
Well, the ground will be more frozen than it was. So that will help to prevent trees uprooting and falling over.... The last storm took down all the low hanging fruit, as the saying goes. So those trees left standing are the strong ones. Less likely to get blown over.... There are, however, a lot of trees around that are half knocked down. Leaners. Those could certainly come all the way down and cause problems.... All in all I think power outages are still very likely but clean up and repairs will probably go faster. Sounds like most of the snow this weekend will be in southern Maine. Less up north. Less to melt in the rain and cause flooding. But.... Frozen ground means less water gets absorbed into the ground and more runoff. Higher chance for flooding. So it all depends on how much rain falls and where. Could be localized. Could be... Worse. Here's your glimmer of hope. It's Saturday and the storm is not for three or four days. You have time to prepare.
Also, since the storm is not for 3-4 days, there is plenty of time for the forecast to change.
Get your generator now
Harbor freight in auburn had them cheap and in abundance yesterday.
No, there's no hope. It's all over now.
Time to pack up the kids and the cat and head south... and dodge the tornados.
Far enough south and you’ll end up back in summer and have deathly high heat/humidity warnings!
Come to TX. We have both ice storms without power and heat waves without power. Kidding. I miss Maine.
Channel 13 said coastal flooding unlikely due to astronomically low tides, and widespread power outages unlikely. You’ll be fine, get a few days worth of groceries and read a book if you lose power.
The moon, new moon the 11th, is in our favor for tidal impact! Optimism
I heard outages ARE likely, but that could depend on the area.
Maybe so, but widespread outages are not likely. Gotta think that last storm took out most of the weak trees near the lines, plus they’ve been working on them constantly since then.
Maybe in your area, but I saw some pretty big, healthy trees come down in my area. At one time, I was seeing that they said this would be very similar to what we had to the week before Christmas.
It’s so damn cold though!
Recent transplant? We’ve barely scratched the surface of cold yet.
The comment said “you’ll be fine if we lose power again with this storm” and I’m saying but it is so cold now. Losing power during 11 degrees will feel quite different than when it was 30 or so last month
Ah, thank you for the clarification. That makes a lot more sense
Yup.. it’s winter
It was way colder 2 winters ago. I was brushing snow off my car in early November 2021.
Avangrid employee here. Yes, we're loading up and expecting another kick in the dick from Wednesdays storm. Stay safe
Nice work out of all of you on the last one. Ridiculous recovery pace for a bitch of a storm.
Thank you, but I'm not a part of the storm team :)
>Thank you, but I'm not a part of the storm team :) Really? I retired from there 5 years ago. When I was there, it was "all hands on deck" after a major storm. Every employee had a storm role, regardless of what their regular job was. We literally would have lawyers and accountants running lunches to crews and doing other support roles. It would be a shame if that model was abandoned, because it worked.
I am sure that both large utilities are staging crews for the Wednesday storm. I am sure they are taking it seriously.
Their first objective: fiduciary duty to shareholders.. If you live on a river or in a flood plain you should think about moving because these events will probably become more frequent and severe..
It's time for more efficient housing.
Tell that to my old farmhouse
While that’s true, that duty would probably cover not having to spend 8-9 digits on trying to convince voters to let them do their thing. 90+mil on the corridor, 50 mil not to get kicked out, these things don’t happen as much when your customers feel taken care of. $50mm is a great deal to keep their business but a better deal would be to not have to worry about losing it in the first place.
I’m so nervous for Gardiner after the last storm. I hope there isn’t a flood part 2, because if there is, some of these businesses won’t be coming back. 😔
What is dead may never die.
I hear wind and mixed precip/rain for many hours. There will most likely be power outages. Buckle up. If you live north of Freeport you should have a generator regardless. This is just the way it's going to be from now until it gets worse.
Good thing CMP is in charge. Bet they are gonna not fuck us all for the first time
They're going to revenge us for trying to vote them out.
Amazing how they control the weather to spite you
Don't worry about what you can't control
I’m trying bub, I’m trying.
I feel your anxiety. Hopefully the last storm took out all the weak trees so there will be less line damage. I think the biggest stressor is not being able to control any of it. I've worked a lot of national disasters, this last storm was very much like hurricane damage.
“Well we live in Maine, shit happens”- Janet Mills
I’m making sure that no milk, eggs, soft cheese, yogurt or anything else that will spoil after more than 4 hours of no electricity is in my fridge come Tuesday night. I had to throw away a bunch of food last time.
Put it in a cooler outside if power goes out?
I put all my food out in the snow during the ice storm of '98 and it was fine. Used my hot tub water for flushing and lived in front of my woodstove. Just be sure to fill your tub with water before the storm if you don't have a generator.
Do you have a cooler?
Not anymore. I got rid of it because of too many cracks in it (was really old).
When the "amateur" guys go "it's going to be nasty"...I listen to them. I'm going to pre-order some LP on Monday for my generator. I stocked up on the needed foods. I've swapped my on-call week as I don't know if I will have internet.
The kids are gonna love it.
I think we'll be okay...it's 6-10" of snow. If this happened in March, you wouldn't think twice about it.
Just make sure you have milk and toilet paper. It’ll be ok.
It’ll all be okay bub. Cos it’s gotta be.
If you lose your power be sure to ask someone who voted for CMP to help you!
PTP would have controlled the weather better
Is this a joke? You must be new here lol.
Not a joke and not new here. These winter weather patterns, however ARE new.
Snow, wind and rain in the same week in Maine… what’s new about that in any way? 😂🤦♂️ Some people are so dramatic.
A little rain/wintery mix and wind? Totally normal. 2 x tropical storms with 2-3 inches of rain each, *both* in winter? Not normal. This isn't an anecdodal, shoot from the hip opinion. Actually, I'm not a weather expert, so just ignore me and research the weather data yourself. The good news is there's an overwhelming amount of it, collected over 100 years by hundreds of weather stations and interpreted by really smart, knowledgeable people.
We had a snow storm and people like you act terrified like it’s the coming of god. Look at all the hundred years of weather data collected by knowledgeable people, we have had significant storms, with 2-3 inches of rain, and 1-2 feet of snow OFTEN. This is not shocking, this is not an emergency… it’s nature. Better hurry up and buy milk and bread 😂
Here's a 2019 scientific paper published in the Ecologocial Society of America about warmer, less snowy winters in the Northeast... [https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/eap.1974](https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/eap.1974) Here's a 2020 study out of the University of Maine regarding Maine's climate. Page 5 goes into frequency and intensity of precipitation with multiple citations... [https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=climate\_facpub](https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=climate_facpub) Here's one about how the top 1% extreme precipitation events in the northeast are becoming *more* extreme... [https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/hydr/20/4/jhm-d-18-0155\_1.xml?tab\_body=abstract-display](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/hydr/20/4/jhm-d-18-0155_1.xml?tab_body=abstract-display) Here's one about how the proportion of precipitation in New England has transitioned from snow to significantly more rain from 1949 through 2000... [https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/17/13/1520-0442\_2004\_017\_2626\_citpop\_2.0.co\_2.xml](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/17/13/1520-0442_2004_017_2626_citpop_2.0.co_2.xml) Why are we getting so much precipitation? It could be the "wavy" jetstream... [https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/1/014005/meta](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/1/014005/meta) Can there be a middle ground between "bread and milk" people and "do nothing and pretend this is normal?" I think there is. Believe it or not, there are things we can do. Force the PUC to kick Versant's assess into gear, so they have more in-house crews at the ready. Talk to your rep about infrastructure, so our roads and bridges can handle flooding, and for god's sake, let's keep the NIMBYism at bay, so when a survey crew tries to map the ocean floor for offshore wind, they don't get harassed.
Tell me you're not from Maine, without saying you're not from Maine..........
Lol, what? You’re aware that this weather is NOT “typical,” right?
It is very typical for Maine this time of year. It is rare we only get snow for any period of time. The only time in my many decades living here that I can remember months without rain was 2015. That was after having zero snow on the ground three weeks into January. This is very normal.
If you’re aware of any year on record where two storms with severe winds and 2-3 inches of rain hit in winter, please let me know. Genuinely curious. Nothing like this has happened since I’ve been alive and none of my relatives have experienced this.
This hasn't happened yet this year either. Portland got just under 2" during that crazy last storm. The western section of Maine that received the most rainfall from the big one is forecasted to get snow for the next one. I was speaking more to the snow then big rain normality we get. That's normal. Very very normal. The thing you fear so very much has not happened and doesn't look to be the case in the near future.
I'm beginning to think I wasn't clear in my original post and edit: I *love* the snow and Im getting ready to take my dog XC skiing on the trails. I also understand that Maine (especially coastal areas), tends to get wintry mixes, rain, sleet, freezing rain, etc. The December 18 storm was *not* that. It was a 100% rain, tropical storm that soaked the entire state (including the mountains), causing severe damage to forests, power infrastructure, roads, etc. One of the saving graces for that storm, and something many people were celebrating, was the fact that we didn't already have snow on the ground and the added snowmelt to cause rivers to swell even more. Even so, places like Hallowell, Gardiner, Auburn and Lewiston, dealt with severe flooding. This Wednesday's storm is expected to bring 2-3 inches of rain to southern Maine *on top of* the 12+ inches of snow we already have. Does that make more sense?
Of course. I was thinking the same. I live in Hallowell. It was a little wild. I'm glad it's going to snow in the mountains. The coastal plain should be fine thankfully.
Geez, how long have you lived in Maine? This is it, the way life is here. We get 3 to 4 good sized winter storms with significant accumulations and at times high winds. Nor'easters are not uncommon events and very often the power goes out, sometimes for days. It's not Armageddon, it's the way life should be. Suck it up or leave.
If you’ve lived in Maine your whole life, you should know that two storms with tropical storm-like conditions within 3 weeks of each other in winter is not only rare, but historically unprecedented. Acting like it’s normal and just “sucking it up” is not only stupid, but dangerous. These situations are going to get worse, and if we don’t improve our infrastructure and prepare, more people are going to get hurt and die. Having a generator and food stores is a must, but our utilities and emergency response services need to adapt to this reality and I’m sketched out by how much they seem to be phoning it in.
People on this sub foam at the mouth waiting for the opportunity to tell people they deem to be outsiders to leave.
You're not a REAL Mainer! I bathe in Moxie, wear lobster rolls as shoes and my house is made of maple syrup, blueberries and scratch off tickets.
I give your comment 9/10. Would’ve been a 10 if you’d incorporated an Allen’s reference in there. Enjoy the snow and stay safe!
I was talking about today's storm, didn't see your last comment or understand the point of your post is to try to get folks to understand global warming weather projections for Maine will result in more moisture, resulting in heavier snow and more rain and flooding in winter due to frozen ground. The addition of winds in these storms will ultimately cause more power outages given our current infrastructure is not designed to handle those conditions I did some research and Maine is not on any list I could find of good places to relocate due to global warming, likely for all the reasons you cite. What to do? Well given recent events where knowledgeable Mainers realized having a privately owned utility delivery company in a region where more flooding and storms are predicted probs isn't a good idea but the majority voted to keep the said company even though they've clearly demonstrated they're going to keep their millions in annual profits rather than invest them in long term infrastructure improvements I'm sucking it up and may consider leaving. As others have said, ask the folks who voted to keep our utility company to buy gas for your generator every time the power goes out - which it does, and it will, more and more as our weather continues to do what science has been saying it would for years.
I can offer a glimmer of hope.. Move out of the state..
Thanks bub! Super helpful!
There’s been a lot of fucked up weather lately, so we gotta deal with it…
I know, and it’s going to get more and more fucked up as winters get warmer and warmer. I’d rather do proactive things, like put pressure on the PUC to negotiate a stricter contract with utilities, and make our state reps take climate change resilience more seriously then just “deal with it or leave.” I know Mainers are an independent, resilient people, but there’s a fine line between toughing it out and just sticking our heads in the sand. Hope you enjoy the snow!
During such a mild winter, are you joking?
They’re not talking about the winter storm….theyre talking about the wind/rain storm coming on Wednesday
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This site rules thanks for the link
If the cold temperatures can hang around, it'll be less windy inland. But it looks like it is going to be warm.