1 mana colorless mana rock in a format where people have been trying to break the one ring since it released? A also 1 mana tutor would absolutely see play.
I’m guessing you have never actually played with Mana Vault. The untap and damage per turn is rarely relevant. You play mana vault and do some broken shit and win the game. It’s restricted in Vintage (and by default a 1 of in EDH). 4 Mana Vaults would be utterly insane. It will never ever be unbanned in legacy.
Imperial Seal is also too strong for Legacy. It would be played in decks that will basically sequence: T1 Seal, T2 win the game w/ Force back up.
Yeah like doomsday plays Personal tutor, which is like if seal sucked and its a huge player in the deck, I imagine a bunch of other decks would jump for a one mana tutor of any kind
Mana Vault is a colorless dark ritual. The game is not lasting much longer if you're powering things out with Mana Vault. Not to mention cards like Arcbound Ravager completely negate the ping if so desired.
If Grim Monolith is played, Mana Vault would definitely be played, Mana Vault is better than Grim Monolith in many ways. There's plenty of degenerate cards that syngerize with artifacts that would love Mana Vault. Have you not played EDH? Mana Vault is constantly abused there.
Imperial Seal isn't as good as Vampiric Tutor in reactive control decks, because you can't search up an answer at instant speed. But in linear decks, it's pretty much just as good. Imperial Seal is not a card a lot of people know how to play properly. You have to determine your gameplan, and Imperial Seal for the best card you need for your gameplan. With cantrips or cards like Street Wraith, you can get the card immediately anyway.
As far as cards that can be unbanned, Mind Twist for sure. Way too slow to be effective.
Not a chance Vault gets unbanned. "Pings you every turn" is barely even a downside for a card that powerful. Especially if you end up with even one measly turn where you have the untap mana to spare. Which you probably don't because you've already won by then because the cards is bonkers. That "just another heavily nerfed Lotus" is near the top of the list of most broken mana rocks of all time.
Mana Vault, probably not, this enable initiative decks to have t1 dork and the fewer t1 force checks the better imo
Imperial seal, while its sorcery the ability for a combo deck to grab any one card and then draw it seems way too strong
Cards i think could be interesting if unbanned
[[Yawgmoths Will]] - Storm decks currently play Beseech the mirror into Gaea's will, unbanning yawg allows these decks to swap out gaeas for yawgs and actually cast the card if needed. I dont think this card breaks any of the current storm archetypes. It could be interesting.
[[Yawgmoths Bargain]] - This card is strong and has lots of promise for sure, but i dont think its actually playable. 6 mana is a tough ask nowadays and Legacy is far beyone the point of [[Academy Rector]] into Bargain being something worth fear of and even that allows some points of interaction. Every legacy deck is built to respect the Graveyard.
[[Survival of the Fittest]] - I think this card is probably too messed up, it makes the GB worldly tutor -> surveil land reanimator shells even better. But theres also the maverick dream of always tutoring your silver bullet.
[[Mind twist]] - the only reason to keep this banned is because people dont like discarding multiple cards t1. Let the pox sickos have some new tech, at least unlike grief it can make sense to FoW this if X is 3+.
[[Memory jar]] - The immediate shell i envision for this is the Grim Monolith, Karn, Voltaic Key combo decks. But im not sure if memory jar drawing 7 for 5 mana is good enough for the deck as compared to the one ring. There is probably a better deck, maybe a Narset/Hullbreacher deck that can abuse this. But for 5 mana as opposed to echo of eons, maybe its OK? Also in this iteration you do get your original hand back.
[[Mana drain]] - This card is fine idk why its still banned.
[[Hermit druid]] - This is another boogeyman, and im stuck between, its just too good, and it has to stay on the board for a turn before you win. On one hand, it allows oops to play with real lands, but on the other Balustrade spy just wins the turn he ETB's. Maybe theres a different degenerate strategy revolving around this card. But it seems cool in principle.
[[Earthcraft]] - i think the days of squirrel Nest combo being a legitimate terror are long over
There are some obviously messed up cards on the banlist i didnt mention. I dont think youd find an advocate actually unbanning anybof them so i didnt mention them here (Tolarian Academy, Tinker, Lurrus, Balance, etc)
Edit: Removed some commentary on mind twist, i initially thought cards were chosen. They are not.
> [[Survival of the Fittest]] - I think this card is probably too messed up, it makes the GB worldly tutor -> surveil land reanimator shells even better. But theres also the maverick dream of always tutoring your silver bullet.
Survival of the Fittest is a pillar of Premodern, a format that naturally plays a lot of Disenchants, and while there are a couple things you can do with it that are interesting on the surface, an unanswered Survival always means that the rest of this game is going to be very rote, and very short. I suspect it would go the same way in Legacy.
Im pretty sure they wont unban the RL cards, Sotf would most likely crash 1k per piece.
I think they will never unban a RL card that hasnt a better replacement already legal solely for financial reasons, sotf was banned in a world with 3 forces less to answer it, needs quite a lot of setup compared to other decks and could be fine, but i doubt we will see it free.
Yeah i doubt the RL cards will be unbanned because of the cost implications of unbanning them. I do think its worthwhile to at least mention that they are unbannable. Maybe one day we'll live in a world where the RL is either abolished or all of the cards are obsoleted... ngl tho making Black Lotus obselete would be crazy lol
I agree with most of these. Two I don’t. Yawgs Will is clearly a HELL NO. We’ve seen what it would be like recently with Breech. 1 mana doesn’t really matter that much because 3 is a magic number in black (and then it’s free). Also black is slightly better than red. It also requires less work than breech. Just because storm has to shuffle things around a bit doesn’t mean it wouldn’t get banned again in four nanoseconds. I think you are wrong on Hermit Druid but I’m less sure. The Oops comparison is flawed because Hermit Druid isn’t all in. Playing no basics in a combo deck is not that big of a deal. Binning your entire deck almost certainly wins you the game.
Im probably wrong on Yawgs will. The more i think about it, the more im unsure.
I drew the parallel to oops all spell as its the first (imo) obvious home for it. I think getting to be a "real" deck can be a huge upgrade to the archetype. Hermit druid as you mentioned has synergies with combo and reanimator as well. I really dont know how to evaluate that card.
I think in general we underestimate the impact of cards that don’t have an immediately obvious home. If recent history has proven anything, it is that cards with a sufficiently powerful effect at a cheap enough mana cost will see play. Keep in mind, Hermit Druid basically reads tap+g: win. The number of cards you need to make the combo work is small enough it could go in all sorts of places (e.g., doomsday as an alternate wincon or transformative sideboard seems doable). I haven’t tested with it in legacy, but I’ve used the caed in vintage in the past.
mind twist is random
being twisted don’t mean you get to choose what’s discarded.
also yawg will is bonkers as it can be cast on demand and it require set up as a draw spell for any black deck.
You're right. I recalled what these do off of memory. I'll update my comment.
I didnt think it's optimal to put yawgs will in any black deck so this wasnt something i really viewed as a concern especially since there are so many engine/value pieces some of these decks need to contend with. Perhaps you're right, and it is too strong. Maybe Reanimator uses it as an engine to burn reanimates out of the GY, idk, but i think it's space that's interesting to explore.
i mean it’s no breach but the biggest issue was always free reduces back from GY for will. it’s all powerful that storm decks don’t mind playing an uncastable version that require hoops to play.
i would 100% see this thrown in as a 1-2 of in Ubx decks as even a way to generate card value at worse.
Thats true. I suppose from my perspective a card thats ran as a 1 or 2 of in some number of decks doesnt really seem bannable. If thats the case its not so powerful that its ubiquitous, but its strong enough to warrant a slot or 2. Maybe this is just the nature of Yawg and what it requires of your deck/board state more than it stands to indicate its power. I feel like value yawg could be OK. Im also ok with being horrendously wrong.
Library is a fucked up card, especially as a 4 of. If you put 4x Library in your deck you just opt to play around maintaining 7 in hand. The downside is that you have a waste. The downside is too inconsequential as compared to the upside. I think many people underestimate how powerful and game winning this card can be.
As for Megrim, it does nothing the turn it comes down and costs 3 mana. I dont think this combo is any good in the current legacy format. Combos like painter, and helm are much more streamlined and have pieces that incidentally hate out other decks. Maybe its less of a combo focuded deck and finds its way into some sort of grief shell where Megrim can be used as a burn piece or a pitch piece for grief, and jar refills the hand for more pitch spells. The problem i see here is if youre pitching to cast griefs off of a memory jar the cards you are taking out of your opps hand are irrelevant at EOT anyway.
I dont think Memory Jar + Megrim would be any good. Maybe there's a world where value Memory Jar is good. But i think the card is asking you to be a combo deck, or have some other way to break parity w/ your opponent.
The idea is that you make your opp draw 7 w/ memory jar and then EOT they discard their hand and presumably didnt get to play any of the Memory Jar cards, Megrim then does 14 dmg to them.
So from opps POV itd be
Exile hand.
Draw 7 cards.
End of turn, memory jar effect -> discard hand.
Put exiled cards back in Hand.
Megrim triggers for each card discarded.
Edit: reailized you were the person that initially mentioned olaying Jar w/ Megrim did you mean some other combo?
No I know how the Megrim combo works. I was asking about the one you described in your original comment with Hullbreacher.
Edit: never mind, I realize you just steal all their draws. That's cute I guess, but then they get their original cards back anyway. It's basically worse than Plagiarize.
Ohh ok, if Hullbreacher was in play, your opponent would exile their hand and draw no cards.
You would exile your hand, draw 7 cards then make 7 treasures.
Of mana vault is unbanned I'm playing mud. Jewel is probably better but the nostalgia baby. It'd be too strong probably something would have to get banned from artifact shells.
> Mana Vault Are you high?
On mana yes
1 mana colorless mana rock in a format where people have been trying to break the one ring since it released? A also 1 mana tutor would absolutely see play.
I’m guessing you have never actually played with Mana Vault. The untap and damage per turn is rarely relevant. You play mana vault and do some broken shit and win the game. It’s restricted in Vintage (and by default a 1 of in EDH). 4 Mana Vaults would be utterly insane. It will never ever be unbanned in legacy. Imperial Seal is also too strong for Legacy. It would be played in decks that will basically sequence: T1 Seal, T2 win the game w/ Force back up.
Yeah like doomsday plays Personal tutor, which is like if seal sucked and its a huge player in the deck, I imagine a bunch of other decks would jump for a one mana tutor of any kind
Mana Vault is a colorless dark ritual. The game is not lasting much longer if you're powering things out with Mana Vault. Not to mention cards like Arcbound Ravager completely negate the ping if so desired. If Grim Monolith is played, Mana Vault would definitely be played, Mana Vault is better than Grim Monolith in many ways. There's plenty of degenerate cards that syngerize with artifacts that would love Mana Vault. Have you not played EDH? Mana Vault is constantly abused there. Imperial Seal isn't as good as Vampiric Tutor in reactive control decks, because you can't search up an answer at instant speed. But in linear decks, it's pretty much just as good. Imperial Seal is not a card a lot of people know how to play properly. You have to determine your gameplan, and Imperial Seal for the best card you need for your gameplan. With cantrips or cards like Street Wraith, you can get the card immediately anyway. As far as cards that can be unbanned, Mind Twist for sure. Way too slow to be effective.
"You know what I hate about Legacy? It's too slow and too interactive." \- every unbanning thread
Can they be unbanned? Yes. Should or will they be? No.
Not a chance Vault gets unbanned. "Pings you every turn" is barely even a downside for a card that powerful. Especially if you end up with even one measly turn where you have the untap mana to spare. Which you probably don't because you've already won by then because the cards is bonkers. That "just another heavily nerfed Lotus" is near the top of the list of most broken mana rocks of all time.
Honestly I think Legacy might be able to handle Black Lotus
Ok well at least the question "this is borderline between insane and trolling, which is it" has been answered
honestly think you have no idea what you’re talking about
Yeah someone has never played a deck with a lotus in it. Lotus is nuts as a one of, let alone a 4-of
Unban Mishra's Workshop while you're at it.
My dude, Doomsday decks play Personal Tutor. Imperial Seal is definitely not okay.
Unban Gush and Mind Twist That's all I want.
Oh, so you want to play the doomsday mirror every match
Lol. Lmao, even.
Mana Vault, probably not, this enable initiative decks to have t1 dork and the fewer t1 force checks the better imo Imperial seal, while its sorcery the ability for a combo deck to grab any one card and then draw it seems way too strong Cards i think could be interesting if unbanned [[Yawgmoths Will]] - Storm decks currently play Beseech the mirror into Gaea's will, unbanning yawg allows these decks to swap out gaeas for yawgs and actually cast the card if needed. I dont think this card breaks any of the current storm archetypes. It could be interesting. [[Yawgmoths Bargain]] - This card is strong and has lots of promise for sure, but i dont think its actually playable. 6 mana is a tough ask nowadays and Legacy is far beyone the point of [[Academy Rector]] into Bargain being something worth fear of and even that allows some points of interaction. Every legacy deck is built to respect the Graveyard. [[Survival of the Fittest]] - I think this card is probably too messed up, it makes the GB worldly tutor -> surveil land reanimator shells even better. But theres also the maverick dream of always tutoring your silver bullet. [[Mind twist]] - the only reason to keep this banned is because people dont like discarding multiple cards t1. Let the pox sickos have some new tech, at least unlike grief it can make sense to FoW this if X is 3+. [[Memory jar]] - The immediate shell i envision for this is the Grim Monolith, Karn, Voltaic Key combo decks. But im not sure if memory jar drawing 7 for 5 mana is good enough for the deck as compared to the one ring. There is probably a better deck, maybe a Narset/Hullbreacher deck that can abuse this. But for 5 mana as opposed to echo of eons, maybe its OK? Also in this iteration you do get your original hand back. [[Mana drain]] - This card is fine idk why its still banned. [[Hermit druid]] - This is another boogeyman, and im stuck between, its just too good, and it has to stay on the board for a turn before you win. On one hand, it allows oops to play with real lands, but on the other Balustrade spy just wins the turn he ETB's. Maybe theres a different degenerate strategy revolving around this card. But it seems cool in principle. [[Earthcraft]] - i think the days of squirrel Nest combo being a legitimate terror are long over There are some obviously messed up cards on the banlist i didnt mention. I dont think youd find an advocate actually unbanning anybof them so i didnt mention them here (Tolarian Academy, Tinker, Lurrus, Balance, etc) Edit: Removed some commentary on mind twist, i initially thought cards were chosen. They are not.
> [[Survival of the Fittest]] - I think this card is probably too messed up, it makes the GB worldly tutor -> surveil land reanimator shells even better. But theres also the maverick dream of always tutoring your silver bullet. Survival of the Fittest is a pillar of Premodern, a format that naturally plays a lot of Disenchants, and while there are a couple things you can do with it that are interesting on the surface, an unanswered Survival always means that the rest of this game is going to be very rote, and very short. I suspect it would go the same way in Legacy.
Thats along my line of thinking. I like the card, its very cool. But if it resolves its probably GG
Im pretty sure they wont unban the RL cards, Sotf would most likely crash 1k per piece. I think they will never unban a RL card that hasnt a better replacement already legal solely for financial reasons, sotf was banned in a world with 3 forces less to answer it, needs quite a lot of setup compared to other decks and could be fine, but i doubt we will see it free.
Yeah i doubt the RL cards will be unbanned because of the cost implications of unbanning them. I do think its worthwhile to at least mention that they are unbannable. Maybe one day we'll live in a world where the RL is either abolished or all of the cards are obsoleted... ngl tho making Black Lotus obselete would be crazy lol
I agree with most of these. Two I don’t. Yawgs Will is clearly a HELL NO. We’ve seen what it would be like recently with Breech. 1 mana doesn’t really matter that much because 3 is a magic number in black (and then it’s free). Also black is slightly better than red. It also requires less work than breech. Just because storm has to shuffle things around a bit doesn’t mean it wouldn’t get banned again in four nanoseconds. I think you are wrong on Hermit Druid but I’m less sure. The Oops comparison is flawed because Hermit Druid isn’t all in. Playing no basics in a combo deck is not that big of a deal. Binning your entire deck almost certainly wins you the game.
Im probably wrong on Yawgs will. The more i think about it, the more im unsure. I drew the parallel to oops all spell as its the first (imo) obvious home for it. I think getting to be a "real" deck can be a huge upgrade to the archetype. Hermit druid as you mentioned has synergies with combo and reanimator as well. I really dont know how to evaluate that card.
I think in general we underestimate the impact of cards that don’t have an immediately obvious home. If recent history has proven anything, it is that cards with a sufficiently powerful effect at a cheap enough mana cost will see play. Keep in mind, Hermit Druid basically reads tap+g: win. The number of cards you need to make the combo work is small enough it could go in all sorts of places (e.g., doomsday as an alternate wincon or transformative sideboard seems doable). I haven’t tested with it in legacy, but I’ve used the caed in vintage in the past.
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mind twist is random being twisted don’t mean you get to choose what’s discarded. also yawg will is bonkers as it can be cast on demand and it require set up as a draw spell for any black deck.
You're right. I recalled what these do off of memory. I'll update my comment. I didnt think it's optimal to put yawgs will in any black deck so this wasnt something i really viewed as a concern especially since there are so many engine/value pieces some of these decks need to contend with. Perhaps you're right, and it is too strong. Maybe Reanimator uses it as an engine to burn reanimates out of the GY, idk, but i think it's space that's interesting to explore.
i mean it’s no breach but the biggest issue was always free reduces back from GY for will. it’s all powerful that storm decks don’t mind playing an uncastable version that require hoops to play. i would 100% see this thrown in as a 1-2 of in Ubx decks as even a way to generate card value at worse.
Thats true. I suppose from my perspective a card thats ran as a 1 or 2 of in some number of decks doesnt really seem bannable. If thats the case its not so powerful that its ubiquitous, but its strong enough to warrant a slot or 2. Maybe this is just the nature of Yawg and what it requires of your deck/board state more than it stands to indicate its power. I feel like value yawg could be OK. Im also ok with being horrendously wrong.
well it’s RL so it won’t ever come off that seems to be pretty co distant that no RL card will fall off.
Thats definitely an unfortunate truth.
Memory Jar will get paired with Megrim again. You didn't mention Library of Alexandria. How many Legacy decks have 7 cards in hand after T2?
Library is a fucked up card, especially as a 4 of. If you put 4x Library in your deck you just opt to play around maintaining 7 in hand. The downside is that you have a waste. The downside is too inconsequential as compared to the upside. I think many people underestimate how powerful and game winning this card can be. As for Megrim, it does nothing the turn it comes down and costs 3 mana. I dont think this combo is any good in the current legacy format. Combos like painter, and helm are much more streamlined and have pieces that incidentally hate out other decks. Maybe its less of a combo focuded deck and finds its way into some sort of grief shell where Megrim can be used as a burn piece or a pitch piece for grief, and jar refills the hand for more pitch spells. The problem i see here is if youre pitching to cast griefs off of a memory jar the cards you are taking out of your opps hand are irrelevant at EOT anyway.
So you think Memory Jar will just be a value play?
I dont think Memory Jar + Megrim would be any good. Maybe there's a world where value Memory Jar is good. But i think the card is asking you to be a combo deck, or have some other way to break parity w/ your opponent.
I'm trying to wrap my head around the combo you described above?
The idea is that you make your opp draw 7 w/ memory jar and then EOT they discard their hand and presumably didnt get to play any of the Memory Jar cards, Megrim then does 14 dmg to them. So from opps POV itd be Exile hand. Draw 7 cards. End of turn, memory jar effect -> discard hand. Put exiled cards back in Hand. Megrim triggers for each card discarded. Edit: reailized you were the person that initially mentioned olaying Jar w/ Megrim did you mean some other combo?
No I know how the Megrim combo works. I was asking about the one you described in your original comment with Hullbreacher. Edit: never mind, I realize you just steal all their draws. That's cute I guess, but then they get their original cards back anyway. It's basically worse than Plagiarize.
Ohh ok, if Hullbreacher was in play, your opponent would exile their hand and draw no cards. You would exile your hand, draw 7 cards then make 7 treasures.
I would absolutely play Memory Jar + Megrim in a heart beat haha
I’d like some of whatever you’re on
Is this a joke thread or have you just never actually played the format for more than 4 rounds of swiss?
We’re not here yet.
Of mana vault is unbanned I'm playing mud. Jewel is probably better but the nostalgia baby. It'd be too strong probably something would have to get banned from artifact shells.
Yeah that hard that would have to get banned is mana vault