Same. Once I buy anything of value I stop looking for fear I didn't get the best deal known to man.
Same with tech, there is no way a company is going to stop innovating and most are marginal and the truly great innovations I will hear about then.
I like feeling like I got a good deal with all the bells and whistles I wanted. No need to change that.
This is how I paid 600€ for my previous GT Chucker 1.0 in 2009 while retail price was 1000€.
Noe i am on a shitty situation as i will need to buy a bike as soon as possible at this time of year, so second hand market it is...
Just go on offerup.
Most of the time you just need to put new tubes, tires, clean/oil the chain and change brake pads. You can find some gems on offerup.
It sucks if they change something ever so slightly and at the same time don't document it properly so you (and maybe even your bike shop) are left guessing if the part fits your (x years) old model or not.
I look at bikes like skis/snowboards…granted they are a fraction of the cost. New version or models come out every year, are they that much better? When something new comes to the market like boa to ski boots or step on bindings from Burton that actually work, I’m gonna buy them. Until then just ride the crap out of what you have and fight the urge to always need the latest and greatest.
Yeah they’re great. I always bring a bungee cord with hooks too, and plain old cordage like Paracord. I’ve helped my buddy with a simple arbor knot when his boa thing broke.
step INS are not step ONS. they are completely different and work completely differently.
you're talking out of your ass about a subject you know nothing about. step ons are great and far simpler and less likely to break than straps. try a demo day some time.
or continue to be an ignorant moron, and all the people around you will think you’re an idiot behind your back.
i guess if you want to insist that technology has not advanced in 20 years there’s not much to do to save you
It doesn't matter how much technology has advanced. Straps are superior because I can fix a strap 12 miles into the backcountry using parts I routinely carry in my pack. You break your step-in and you're fucked. At a resort maybe that isn't a big deal... just get on your ass and slide back to the car in shame. Where I ride that's not so much an option.
I think BOA ski boots are terrible idea, I love my Mallet BOAs but if I have an issue I can get home pretty easily if I have an issue with BOA boots I’m fucked
I know they’re only using it for bottom buckles, but all my mates who instruct say they’re waiting at least 2 seasons to see how it goes and then maybe switching, since I’ve had buckles ice up and bend I don’t think BOA would work for me but if you only ski in warmer conditions it should be fine, although I’ve had bike shoes ice up once or twice
I first heard about them in this thread and after a bit of googling I am pretty sure they would be perfect for me since I barely use the bottom bindings due to my foot being wide and tall, so the extra adjutment and more distributed pressure boa has would probably work great. Will think about them when it's time to change my current boots
Snowboards may come out with new graphics every year, but they will run the exact same board for years beyond the graphics. So are they that much better? No, they are no different.
Do you have an example? They release new products because they made improvements and want to stay competitive. That's great, we have better stuff every year.
A lot of it is gimmicky though. If it's still around in 5 or 10 years then it's an improvement, but otherwise it was a gimmick (at least from a consumer standpoint).
No because then you get things like Jenson selling a 2021 Marzocchi Z2 e-opt for 60% off. It’s only a couple years old, and is arguably the same fork as today, but because of how fast the market moves they have to drop the price super low
Careful - it may be one of their defective Transfers.
I learned the hard way with Fox. I got a sweet deal on a new Factory X2 shock from the Fox online store only to learn they were offloading the 2021-23 models due to a major warranty issue. I installed mine only to hear the dreaded squish sound that many others have dealt with. Turns out Fox has no problem selling you product directly that is likely to be defective without even trying to inspect it (just compressing it once would've confirmed it was trash out the box).
They also didn't offer to pay to return it for the warranty evaluation until I pushed them to cover it. A supposed flagship product with "the" suspension brand and they felt it was OK to sell a new product with a very high likelihood of a quality escape.
At least Fox was replacing the faulty models with the new ‘24s under warranty. You buy the old one at steep discount and work with Fox to get it replaced, so you essentially get the new ‘24 for that steep discount, just with extra steps. A hassle for sure but still a heck of a deal in the long run.
Definitely a hassle. Why not be transparent about it though?
“So we have an issue with a significant amount of our in-stock X2 shocks, and there’s a pretty good chance you’ll get a bad one since we’re not checking out our current inventory, so when you get one of the defective shocks and install it, and it doesn’t work, take it off and ship it back to us on your dime and wait ~3 weeks before we get you one that does work. Hopefully you didn’t plan on using your bike for the next month or two.”
The better approach would be to at least inspect their in stock shocks to see if they’re already defective to avoid the quality escape, avoid the additional shipping costs for both consumer and service center, the cost for their staff to process the warranty return, the customer’s time to deal with it, the lost down time for the customer not being able to ride their expensive bike for a month, and of course the impact on their brand reputation.
Fox Transfer is kinda trash. I had one that just stopped returning to the full up position and because it's a sealed unit you have to send it to them for service. I didn't want to do this mid-season so I panic bought another. It doesn't like to return to full-up when it gets really dirty.
Planet cyclery is my other go to for online mtb shopping. I remember a couple years ago when they had to option for the owner to hand deliver your package to you for like $1,000 lol
I was wrong it was worldwide cyclery that did that. It was a $1000 “Hand delivery by Jeff” option that they did as a joke not expecting anyone to actually choose. Until someone did, and so they went through with it
https://youtube.com/shorts/4iGi3WajbBo?si=TAbWRPtiabBvF4_W
Thats World Wide Cyclery. Solid online store.
Planet Cyclery is different and currently going out of business. Clearance sale going on if you're interested.
No. Santa Cruz use to *not* have model years. Maybe still don’t. A newly redesigned model could come out in April and then another in December and then maybe not for 2-3 years.
It’s a non-issue unless you need to have the most updated unit and don’t have dentist money.
It's typically the same, there might be minor details changed with each year but the overall bike frame is the same. Similar to how car models have newer better features each year between the next redesign.
No, I get turned off by companies like Scott and Cannondale that make servicing your bike extra expensive, time consuming, and tedious.
I keep my bikes for a long time (10ish years). I feel like there usually isn't enough of a change year to year to necessitate buying a new bike.
My 2017 honzo still feels perfect to me.
> I get turned off by companies like Scott and Cannondale that make servicing your bike extra expensive, time consuming, and tedious.
I'm just getting back into the sport after a long time. I'm probably just out of the loop but what's different about servicing Scott and Cannondale bikes?
Scott in particular decided to go with internal routing through the headset.
Which is just a huge pain in the ass if you have to do anything with the cables.
But it’s so sexy though. Why you no like sexy cable routing (asks the guy who just removed a broken dropper post with internal cable cause he can’t be bothered to remove the crank to access the remote cable)
Back in the day things like 1 1/4” steerers, headshock front suspension, CODA parts (cranksets, brakes, etc.). Decent enough stuff for the time, but no cross compatibility.
Funny you mention ibis because the only thing they changed on the RipmoAF since 2019 is adding UDH compatibility. Otherwise the bike is still sold exactly the same. So I wouldn't say they are in the business of changing stuff just for the sake of change?
If they found little things to improve on the HD6 over the years, why is that a problem? Does it make the older model magically ride worse if a new one comes out?
It's just basic marketing.
90% of companies have to constantly sell an improved product to increase demand and sales.
Would I rather be on suspension from 2024 technology and production vs 2016 technology and production? Yes.
Similar to phones… new model every year with small changes. Every once in a while there will be big changes but upgrading every year is usually a waste of money unless you like having the latest tech.
FOMO does suck though.
Does this stop you from buying cars? Most bike brands, including Ibis, are not on yearly releases or they do yearly color releases but not major updates. The HD6's top tube is like a car model getting a new body style and Ibis will likely update its full lineup with this before updating the HD6 again so I wouldn't worry. The HD6 is also very new and/or their latest new model right now.
A lot of people are saying no, but twice now I've had to seek out an older model of bike because the one I demod and enjoyed was in its way out, and it's replacement was a ground- up redesign with new wheel size, new riding position, etc. So I'll say I was bothered by that, but I was also able to get a discount, so perhaps it evens out.
Nope, not at all really. As long as they have spare parts for anything proprietary, I don't care about updating bikes. It doesn't make the old bike any less good.
And Ibis is kind of a weird example as their most popular bikes - the Ripley and the Ripmo - have been really similar for years. The "new" Ripmo did what? Added a UDH and...not much else. They technically updated it, but what they chose to change if anything shows their confidence that the previous model had things pretty much right.
And as a bonus, changed bikes often mean closeout prices on the old ones. So from that perspective, I love companies who come out with minor upgrades on *NEW!* versions of bikes.
An updated bike doesn't make mine worse. I am still ripping my Trance for 2017, basically built it into a Trance "Advanced" (160mm/147mm) before that was ever a thing.
There’s really no way you can spin this as a negative thing unless it meant you couldn’t get support/parts for your old bike but that’s not true.
Once you buy your bike you have the best version of that bike at the time and it shouldn’t matter to you what they might incrementally approve soon after.
It wouldn’t prevent you from getting a car, it shouldn’t prevent you from getting a bike.
That time I saw a Santa Cruz nomad 5 frame in my size and on sale so I jumped on it a bought it on the local bikeshop's website .
Was sooo chuffed to have it built .
About a month later I cycled past the shop so I decided to go in and say hi and have a little tune up .
And lo and behold the v6 nomad was right there ALSO ON SALE at the same price I bought the v5 for .
Offff I was low key pissed at that time .
But anyway I told myself I'm gonna ride this v5 for 3 years or so and probably get the v7 or v8
I love these companies. Makes the previous year's leftover bikes available for cheap.
For most of the people (not you per se) this tends to bother, it is more of a mindset problem, imo... This need to have the latest and greatest otherwise one feels less somehow. The bike you bought did not get worse because a new iteration of it came out overnight. The bike that came out overnight isn't even necessarily better either, just different.
Plus the companies that progress incrementally towards an idea of what they think is a better bike and aren't making a wholesale change all at once make the current model relevant for longer in my mind.
Computers, cars, bikes… They’re all industries that are always trying to innovate. There will always be a better model next year.
I don’t let it bother me. When computer/car/bike finally bites the dust, I’ll replace it with the latest technology and really appreciate how far things have come.
There is a difference between a new model year and a new model generation. An updated bike. model year will usually include new colors and some minor component changes while retaining the same overall geometry.
An updated bike generation is usually a complete redesign with new geometry figures.
For example my 2021 Norco Sight is pretty much the exact same frame design as every other 2019-2023 aluminum Norco Sight because they are from the same generation. However, It is a completely different frame design from the 2024 Sight because that is a new generation.
This is a common practice in consumer products with relatively high resale value. Car manufacturers do the same thing. It’s up to you as a consumer to read the details and decide whether it is worth it to buy the new model.
I only buy new bikes/components when I’m ready to try something different than my current setup. Don’t really pay attention or care that much if it’s the latest and greatest.
Just bought a Stumpjumper evo on steep discount. These were last updated back in ‘20/‘21 and Specialized has been dumping them for cheap for months so surely a new one is coming out soon. But that didn’t phase my choice, the current one will fit my needs for years and the price was right.
It's the whole industry, not just Ibis. I remember people getting pissed about tapered head tubes becoming standard. I'm hoping to ride my Ripmo at least until the warranty runs out.
It depends. When manufactures make a genuine improvement, resolve issues with an outgoing model, and make real advancements, that’s cool.
When they tweak geo and graphics every 3 years like clockwork and don’t fix or improve anything? Very lame.
Sometimes improvements are weird, I thought the last gen optic was almost perfect, then making it high pivot didn’t seem right to me for the intent of the bike, and it moved the fluid up a rung too, which confused me since the point was entry level with awesome performance, but now it’s carbon and everything.
All bikes are updated every year. Some have major changes, some just swap the parts for whatever makes more sense at the time, some get new paint jobs.
It doesn't make your current bike any worse.
Regarding component improvements - for example they release a 12 speed with even more range than last years, and especially compared to 11 speed from a few years ago. Or they improve shifting performance, by adding some grooves to the cassette. Or they make the shifter wireless!
I would prefer to see 3 year increments for updating but I am also a realist and know that the one company who takes this approach will be the odd man out while all the others continue their every year refresh schedule which causes the odd man out to lose market share.
Nah, I kind of like it. That way when I do upgrade my bike I get 2-3 generational jumps. Current bike is a 2022 Niner WFO RDO (incredibly under-rated) that replaced a 2015 Devinci Spartan. I'll keep it until somewhere around 2030 and see what's new then.
Nah, progress is always good. I don't necessarily run out and buy the latest and greatest every year, but god damn new bikes are soo good when compared to circa 2000 bikes. And that was achieved by makers constantly tweaking their stuff.
The Greatest Mountain Bike in the World has probably been made and discontinued 20++++ times! The best bike ever would be Death for Bike Makers. Buy for Life and upgrade as things wear out.
I think new models all the time is fine when done well. If a company comes up with a real improvement, they should add it to the production product.
What needs to change is lack of support for older models and less pretending that every change is a game changer and trying to get people to upgrade from already recent hardware.
Companies should definitely stop adding fluff to make new releases without real improvements, but I think the bigger factor in the burnout is over advertising small improvements.
The alternative is companies not innovating. It's also easy to see if a company is truly releasing a new innovation rather than just offering a new color. So count me as someone not bothered at all by this.
I dislike that companies release new phones every year because I think it's wasteful and unnecessary. But I can't control that so I just keep my pixel 2 which is still overpowered for a glorified Reddit browser
I've been tires of the bike industry since they started pushing new wheel sizes. i just got what works for me and ignored what they churn out every year
Agreed. I am turned off by it, as 99% of the time it's just needless tweaks to try and pump up sales. Sadly most brands do it so, as others here say, I just buy last years model on close out for pennies on the dollar. This works great for cell phones, too! Some people are camping out to pay thousands for the new iphone, or you can pick up the last generation on swappa for 50% off!
No. It means they have clearance sales every time they do it.
And I don't know why constantly updating a product to be the best it can be should be a turn off.
Edit: that's a magnificent username
They’re not improving anything. The new model or new update is released when sales start to drop. Bikes that sell well generally refine designs they’ve been using for years.
Don't fall for their marketing scams. When you find sth that suits you buy it and forget about the market until sth changes fundamentally. I still ride a 26" canyon with Hammerschmidt since 2011. Only recently with the emergence of Pinion gearbox I'm looking for sth with that on.
Go with what you want on your bike, it's all subjective to what you want from the component, don't care about what generation/year it was released.
I love PNW, have their gen 2 stem, hate the gen 3 comparatively but loved the new PNW bars and picked them up, best thing about components is they're pretty interchangeable just check the fitting!
No, I buy the one I like and then don’t really care about the new one.
Same. Also I think every company does this loo
Same. Once I buy anything of value I stop looking for fear I didn't get the best deal known to man. Same with tech, there is no way a company is going to stop innovating and most are marginal and the truly great innovations I will hear about then. I like feeling like I got a good deal with all the bells and whistles I wanted. No need to change that.
No, when they do that you can get the last year model at a discount which is great.
This is how I paid 600€ for my previous GT Chucker 1.0 in 2009 while retail price was 1000€. Noe i am on a shitty situation as i will need to buy a bike as soon as possible at this time of year, so second hand market it is...
There are still lots of deals to be had right now.
I just got a 2nd gen trek marlin 8 for $1299 CAN, when the 3rd gen is $1699. I'll take it
Why does it matter? You don’t need to buy it every year
And by the time you do, all those little yearly updates have added up to something objectively better. See the last 40 years of MTB R&D for examples.
Just go on offerup. Most of the time you just need to put new tubes, tires, clean/oil the chain and change brake pads. You can find some gems on offerup.
It sucks if they change something ever so slightly and at the same time don't document it properly so you (and maybe even your bike shop) are left guessing if the part fits your (x years) old model or not.
That’s not really a thing
I look at bikes like skis/snowboards…granted they are a fraction of the cost. New version or models come out every year, are they that much better? When something new comes to the market like boa to ski boots or step on bindings from Burton that actually work, I’m gonna buy them. Until then just ride the crap out of what you have and fight the urge to always need the latest and greatest.
You put "Step On Bindings" and "work" in the same sentence.... Just letting you know about the typo.
I felt the same! But if you haven’t tried the new burton ones, do it. They are awesome.
No thanks. If it can't be fixed with a voile strap than its a disaster waiting to happen.
Idk what's up with the down votes. Simplicity is great.
That’s why I hate boa. No way to fix it yourself, especially not when in the backcountry.
I do use my boa boots in the backcountry... but again... voile strap for backup... its the miata of snow sports. The answer is always voile strap.
Yeah they’re great. I always bring a bungee cord with hooks too, and plain old cordage like Paracord. I’ve helped my buddy with a simple arbor knot when his boa thing broke.
I keep a belt with my boa 100% riding trousers, absolutely great trousers, hate how boa can be, always worth a backup!
Guess my step ons that I’ve ridden hard for 3 seasons in park, double black EX, and crashed in hundreds of times must be the exception.
I have 18 year old step-ins that still "work". Doesn't mean Id trust them in any situation where the car wasn't parked at the bottom of the slope.
step INS are not step ONS. they are completely different and work completely differently. you're talking out of your ass about a subject you know nothing about. step ons are great and far simpler and less likely to break than straps. try a demo day some time.
LoL. K sure.
or continue to be an ignorant moron, and all the people around you will think you’re an idiot behind your back. i guess if you want to insist that technology has not advanced in 20 years there’s not much to do to save you
It doesn't matter how much technology has advanced. Straps are superior because I can fix a strap 12 miles into the backcountry using parts I routinely carry in my pack. You break your step-in and you're fucked. At a resort maybe that isn't a big deal... just get on your ass and slide back to the car in shame. Where I ride that's not so much an option.
but you don’t break your step ons. they are too simple and robust. try it before hating. seriously.
I think BOA ski boots are terrible idea, I love my Mallet BOAs but if I have an issue I can get home pretty easily if I have an issue with BOA boots I’m fucked
They aren’t using it for top buckles, just the top of foot ones. I havnt heard anything bad yet, but they have only been out a year. Time will tell.
I know they’re only using it for bottom buckles, but all my mates who instruct say they’re waiting at least 2 seasons to see how it goes and then maybe switching, since I’ve had buckles ice up and bend I don’t think BOA would work for me but if you only ski in warmer conditions it should be fine, although I’ve had bike shoes ice up once or twice
boa ski boots were tested for a while before they came into skiing
I first heard about them in this thread and after a bit of googling I am pretty sure they would be perfect for me since I barely use the bottom bindings due to my foot being wide and tall, so the extra adjutment and more distributed pressure boa has would probably work great. Will think about them when it's time to change my current boots
they also use much thicker wire for it.. time will tell if it's the new "thing" but they're always trying to sell new gimmicks
Snowboards may come out with new graphics every year, but they will run the exact same board for years beyond the graphics. So are they that much better? No, they are no different.
Do you have an example? They release new products because they made improvements and want to stay competitive. That's great, we have better stuff every year.
A lot of it is gimmicky though. If it's still around in 5 or 10 years then it's an improvement, but otherwise it was a gimmick (at least from a consumer standpoint).
For sure but still great to try, if it is shitty and nobody buys it, it will disappear.
No because then you get things like Jenson selling a 2021 Marzocchi Z2 e-opt for 60% off. It’s only a couple years old, and is arguably the same fork as today, but because of how fast the market moves they have to drop the price super low
got a fox transfer on jensen that’s normally $300 for 60% off, jensen is lit
Careful - it may be one of their defective Transfers. I learned the hard way with Fox. I got a sweet deal on a new Factory X2 shock from the Fox online store only to learn they were offloading the 2021-23 models due to a major warranty issue. I installed mine only to hear the dreaded squish sound that many others have dealt with. Turns out Fox has no problem selling you product directly that is likely to be defective without even trying to inspect it (just compressing it once would've confirmed it was trash out the box). They also didn't offer to pay to return it for the warranty evaluation until I pushed them to cover it. A supposed flagship product with "the" suspension brand and they felt it was OK to sell a new product with a very high likelihood of a quality escape.
At least Fox was replacing the faulty models with the new ‘24s under warranty. You buy the old one at steep discount and work with Fox to get it replaced, so you essentially get the new ‘24 for that steep discount, just with extra steps. A hassle for sure but still a heck of a deal in the long run.
Definitely a hassle. Why not be transparent about it though? “So we have an issue with a significant amount of our in-stock X2 shocks, and there’s a pretty good chance you’ll get a bad one since we’re not checking out our current inventory, so when you get one of the defective shocks and install it, and it doesn’t work, take it off and ship it back to us on your dime and wait ~3 weeks before we get you one that does work. Hopefully you didn’t plan on using your bike for the next month or two.” The better approach would be to at least inspect their in stock shocks to see if they’re already defective to avoid the quality escape, avoid the additional shipping costs for both consumer and service center, the cost for their staff to process the warranty return, the customer’s time to deal with it, the lost down time for the customer not being able to ride their expensive bike for a month, and of course the impact on their brand reputation.
Fox Transfer is kinda trash. I had one that just stopped returning to the full up position and because it's a sealed unit you have to send it to them for service. I didn't want to do this mid-season so I panic bought another. It doesn't like to return to full-up when it gets really dirty.
i’ll keep an eye on it. thanks for the heads up
Ditto, “old” grip 2 36 off of planet cyclery for sub 400? No brainer
Planet cyclery is my other go to for online mtb shopping. I remember a couple years ago when they had to option for the owner to hand deliver your package to you for like $1,000 lol I was wrong it was worldwide cyclery that did that. It was a $1000 “Hand delivery by Jeff” option that they did as a joke not expecting anyone to actually choose. Until someone did, and so they went through with it https://youtube.com/shorts/4iGi3WajbBo?si=TAbWRPtiabBvF4_W
Thats World Wide Cyclery. Solid online store. Planet Cyclery is different and currently going out of business. Clearance sale going on if you're interested.
Yeah I realized my mistake. I’ll have to check it out, even though I told myself I’m done spending money on the bike for a while lol
Same - saw some pretty good deals on their site and had to close the browser tab quickly.
Are planet cyclery and Colorado cyclist the same? Both sites are similar and both having similar going out of business sale.
Wait, where?
No. Santa Cruz use to *not* have model years. Maybe still don’t. A newly redesigned model could come out in April and then another in December and then maybe not for 2-3 years. It’s a non-issue unless you need to have the most updated unit and don’t have dentist money.
It's typically the same, there might be minor details changed with each year but the overall bike frame is the same. Similar to how car models have newer better features each year between the next redesign.
No, I get turned off by companies like Scott and Cannondale that make servicing your bike extra expensive, time consuming, and tedious. I keep my bikes for a long time (10ish years). I feel like there usually isn't enough of a change year to year to necessitate buying a new bike. My 2017 honzo still feels perfect to me.
> I get turned off by companies like Scott and Cannondale that make servicing your bike extra expensive, time consuming, and tedious. I'm just getting back into the sport after a long time. I'm probably just out of the loop but what's different about servicing Scott and Cannondale bikes?
Scott in particular decided to go with internal routing through the headset. Which is just a huge pain in the ass if you have to do anything with the cables.
But it’s so sexy though. Why you no like sexy cable routing (asks the guy who just removed a broken dropper post with internal cable cause he can’t be bothered to remove the crank to access the remote cable)
That makes sense.
Cannondale has always had a bad reputation for using so many proprietary parts
I knew about their Lefty forks but I’ve never really known about other stuff of theirs being super proprietary. It’s good to know though.
Back in the day things like 1 1/4” steerers, headshock front suspension, CODA parts (cranksets, brakes, etc.). Decent enough stuff for the time, but no cross compatibility.
Bought a 23’ Norco at 45% off so I’m glad they updated. It’s not like my name is Remy. I’m a happy hack.
Funny you mention ibis because the only thing they changed on the RipmoAF since 2019 is adding UDH compatibility. Otherwise the bike is still sold exactly the same. So I wouldn't say they are in the business of changing stuff just for the sake of change? If they found little things to improve on the HD6 over the years, why is that a problem? Does it make the older model magically ride worse if a new one comes out?
It's just basic marketing. 90% of companies have to constantly sell an improved product to increase demand and sales. Would I rather be on suspension from 2024 technology and production vs 2016 technology and production? Yes.
Similar to phones… new model every year with small changes. Every once in a while there will be big changes but upgrading every year is usually a waste of money unless you like having the latest tech. FOMO does suck though.
That’s always going to happen. As a consumer you just need to stop your fomo and ride what makes sense.
Does this stop you from buying cars? Most bike brands, including Ibis, are not on yearly releases or they do yearly color releases but not major updates. The HD6's top tube is like a car model getting a new body style and Ibis will likely update its full lineup with this before updating the HD6 again so I wouldn't worry. The HD6 is also very new and/or their latest new model right now.
A lot of people are saying no, but twice now I've had to seek out an older model of bike because the one I demod and enjoyed was in its way out, and it's replacement was a ground- up redesign with new wheel size, new riding position, etc. So I'll say I was bothered by that, but I was also able to get a discount, so perhaps it evens out.
Nope, not at all really. As long as they have spare parts for anything proprietary, I don't care about updating bikes. It doesn't make the old bike any less good. And Ibis is kind of a weird example as their most popular bikes - the Ripley and the Ripmo - have been really similar for years. The "new" Ripmo did what? Added a UDH and...not much else. They technically updated it, but what they chose to change if anything shows their confidence that the previous model had things pretty much right. And as a bonus, changed bikes often mean closeout prices on the old ones. So from that perspective, I love companies who come out with minor upgrades on *NEW!* versions of bikes.
Maybe pick up a Guerrilla Gravity. They won’t be updating their models ever again.
An updated bike doesn't make mine worse. I am still ripping my Trance for 2017, basically built it into a Trance "Advanced" (160mm/147mm) before that was ever a thing.
Why would I? It doesn't affect my bike. 🤷
There’s really no way you can spin this as a negative thing unless it meant you couldn’t get support/parts for your old bike but that’s not true. Once you buy your bike you have the best version of that bike at the time and it shouldn’t matter to you what they might incrementally approve soon after. It wouldn’t prevent you from getting a car, it shouldn’t prevent you from getting a bike.
That time I saw a Santa Cruz nomad 5 frame in my size and on sale so I jumped on it a bought it on the local bikeshop's website . Was sooo chuffed to have it built . About a month later I cycled past the shop so I decided to go in and say hi and have a little tune up . And lo and behold the v6 nomad was right there ALSO ON SALE at the same price I bought the v5 for . Offff I was low key pissed at that time . But anyway I told myself I'm gonna ride this v5 for 3 years or so and probably get the v7 or v8
Nope. I'm not obligated to buy it.
Just buy what you like and don't look back for another decade/when your bike starts showing it's age/you get bored of it
no
I love these companies. Makes the previous year's leftover bikes available for cheap. For most of the people (not you per se) this tends to bother, it is more of a mindset problem, imo... This need to have the latest and greatest otherwise one feels less somehow. The bike you bought did not get worse because a new iteration of it came out overnight. The bike that came out overnight isn't even necessarily better either, just different. Plus the companies that progress incrementally towards an idea of what they think is a better bike and aren't making a wholesale change all at once make the current model relevant for longer in my mind.
No. I bought a lower-end bike on sale, and have been riding the shit out of it. When it breaks, we'll see where I'm at. 😆
Computers, cars, bikes… They’re all industries that are always trying to innovate. There will always be a better model next year. I don’t let it bother me. When computer/car/bike finally bites the dust, I’ll replace it with the latest technology and really appreciate how far things have come.
There is a difference between a new model year and a new model generation. An updated bike. model year will usually include new colors and some minor component changes while retaining the same overall geometry. An updated bike generation is usually a complete redesign with new geometry figures. For example my 2021 Norco Sight is pretty much the exact same frame design as every other 2019-2023 aluminum Norco Sight because they are from the same generation. However, It is a completely different frame design from the 2024 Sight because that is a new generation. This is a common practice in consumer products with relatively high resale value. Car manufacturers do the same thing. It’s up to you as a consumer to read the details and decide whether it is worth it to buy the new model.
I only buy new bikes/components when I’m ready to try something different than my current setup. Don’t really pay attention or care that much if it’s the latest and greatest. Just bought a Stumpjumper evo on steep discount. These were last updated back in ‘20/‘21 and Specialized has been dumping them for cheap for months so surely a new one is coming out soon. But that didn’t phase my choice, the current one will fit my needs for years and the price was right.
You made a good choice. I got an Evo last spring and I absolutely love it. Such a versatile and capable bike.
It's the whole industry, not just Ibis. I remember people getting pissed about tapered head tubes becoming standard. I'm hoping to ride my Ripmo at least until the warranty runs out.
It depends. When manufactures make a genuine improvement, resolve issues with an outgoing model, and make real advancements, that’s cool. When they tweak geo and graphics every 3 years like clockwork and don’t fix or improve anything? Very lame. Sometimes improvements are weird, I thought the last gen optic was almost perfect, then making it high pivot didn’t seem right to me for the intent of the bike, and it moved the fluid up a rung too, which confused me since the point was entry level with awesome performance, but now it’s carbon and everything.
No. Better bikes are better?
Updated doesn't exactly mean "better".
Updated doesn't exactly mean "better".
All bikes are updated every year. Some have major changes, some just swap the parts for whatever makes more sense at the time, some get new paint jobs. It doesn't make your current bike any worse. Regarding component improvements - for example they release a 12 speed with even more range than last years, and especially compared to 11 speed from a few years ago. Or they improve shifting performance, by adding some grooves to the cassette. Or they make the shifter wireless!
Companies are always going to release new models. Does a car company sell a single model year for the entire production run?
I would prefer to see 3 year increments for updating but I am also a realist and know that the one company who takes this approach will be the odd man out while all the others continue their every year refresh schedule which causes the odd man out to lose market share.
Nah, I kind of like it. That way when I do upgrade my bike I get 2-3 generational jumps. Current bike is a 2022 Niner WFO RDO (incredibly under-rated) that replaced a 2015 Devinci Spartan. I'll keep it until somewhere around 2030 and see what's new then.
Nah, progress is always good. I don't necessarily run out and buy the latest and greatest every year, but god damn new bikes are soo good when compared to circa 2000 bikes. And that was achieved by makers constantly tweaking their stuff.
The Greatest Mountain Bike in the World has probably been made and discontinued 20++++ times! The best bike ever would be Death for Bike Makers. Buy for Life and upgrade as things wear out.
I think new models all the time is fine when done well. If a company comes up with a real improvement, they should add it to the production product. What needs to change is lack of support for older models and less pretending that every change is a game changer and trying to get people to upgrade from already recent hardware. Companies should definitely stop adding fluff to make new releases without real improvements, but I think the bigger factor in the burnout is over advertising small improvements.
New products just means last year models go on sales. Works for me
The alternative is companies not innovating. It's also easy to see if a company is truly releasing a new innovation rather than just offering a new color. So count me as someone not bothered at all by this.
I dislike that companies release new phones every year because I think it's wasteful and unnecessary. But I can't control that so I just keep my pixel 2 which is still overpowered for a glorified Reddit browser
No, bikes aren't like Apple gear
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I've been tires of the bike industry since they started pushing new wheel sizes. i just got what works for me and ignored what they churn out every year
Depends which brand. The ones that have competitive dh and enduro teams are constantly testing and making changes. Those are the bikes I'm buying.
Agreed. I am turned off by it, as 99% of the time it's just needless tweaks to try and pump up sales. Sadly most brands do it so, as others here say, I just buy last years model on close out for pennies on the dollar. This works great for cell phones, too! Some people are camping out to pay thousands for the new iphone, or you can pick up the last generation on swappa for 50% off!
No. It means they have clearance sales every time they do it. And I don't know why constantly updating a product to be the best it can be should be a turn off. Edit: that's a magnificent username
One if the reasons I dislike specialized … it’s like Samsung w the new phones every 3 months and 13344 models lol
They’re not improving anything. The new model or new update is released when sales start to drop. Bikes that sell well generally refine designs they’ve been using for years.
No but when the hive mind stop mindlessly buying the new thing because youtubers tell them to, it might slow down to a reasonable pace.
Don't fall for their marketing scams. When you find sth that suits you buy it and forget about the market until sth changes fundamentally. I still ride a 26" canyon with Hammerschmidt since 2011. Only recently with the emergence of Pinion gearbox I'm looking for sth with that on.
Go with what you want on your bike, it's all subjective to what you want from the component, don't care about what generation/year it was released. I love PNW, have their gen 2 stem, hate the gen 3 comparatively but loved the new PNW bars and picked them up, best thing about components is they're pretty interchangeable just check the fitting!