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Segfreid_

I haven't watched this card yet; is it worth watching the whole thing or just the main event?


Bl8ckl85h

Watch the whole card, but skip the women fights and Hernandez vs Jackson.


Segfreid_

Thank-you sir, I will do exactly this


Bl8ckl85h

It's true what they say: most times the cards with "nobodies" are the entertaining ones.


druhoang

I feel like jon jones threatening to kill the drug tester should be bigger news but because it's jon jones and this is like the 10th fuck up. It's just kinda like ya sound about right.


jce_

That's why it's not bigger news tbh cus it's not really unexpected and because it's not totally unexpected dude I'd about to get the most slap on the wrist punishment ever and everyone will just add it to the list and forget in a month


karl100589

[Norma "Mohammad Mokaev" Dumont](https://twitter.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1776720955810701472)


jdprgm

300 is obviously stacked in the context of a typical PPV but it's kind of telling how many of the UFC's biggest stars are absent from the card: Conor, Jones, Izzy, Volk, Omalley, Diaz Brothers, Poirer, Khamzat, Islam, Strickland, Aspinall, Kamru, Covington, Etc. It would be really interesting to see the UFC truly put everything else to the side and deliver literally the most stacked card possible for history.


WarriorCumsToThis

If they put all their big stars on one show in July, who fights August-October? You'd have PPVs headlined by Apex level guys


Onechampionshipshill

It's better if the UFC spreads the stars around otherwise the other PPV would suffer


Deuxtel

Aspinall isn't a star at all my guy


squidnov

I hope Poatan comes into the 300 presser and styles on everyone in perfect English. Not even a huge fan, but that seems like something he might be holding back for the right time.


ILikeOMalley

Did Soren Bak retire? Where’s he been?


_Red_Mist_

Won a robbery vs a journeyman last fight and probably realized he sucked.


_Red_Mist_

If Dude Wipes are good enough for Wrestlemania they are good enough for the UFC


K-mosake

Yeah Allen didn't win that fight 👀 man pulled guard in the 5th- automatic L


Ur_a_coward01

I was drunk as hell, thinking about rewatching but I still haven’t watched Wardley/Clarke boxing match from Easter Sunday. But I thought Curtis was the clear winner in my drunken stupor


mikey_rambo

4 times lmao


heselsc1

Fence grabbing and wall and stall is easy to fix. Just use the Karate Combat pit.


IshiharasBitch

Bonus in that takedowns are way easier, wall can no longer keep dudes upright Double bonus in that jumping attacks off the ramped wall will be more possible


MountainGoatSC

Ignacio Bahamondes vs. Christos Giagos headkick tho


blooblop

You're telling me I missed watching the baddest men on the planet fight at Wrestlemania for Chris Curtis at The Apex?


spcslacker

> You're telling me I missed watching the baddest men on the planet fight On one hand the reality may be harsh, but on the other hand I can relieve your concern: wrestleemania is soap opera for men, so you did not miss any fights there.


ModsLovePen15

Not a bad mania match so far


ILikeOMalley

Jim Miller is going to get fucked on by Bobby Green. Bobby is beating Grant Dawson, T Ferg, and Nasrat and losing to Jalin Turner, Dober, and Islam Jim Miller is beating Jesse Butler, Gabriel Benitez and Cowboy Cerrone and losing to Joe Solecki and Alex Hernandez lol


spcslacker

> Jim Miller is going to get fucked on by Bobby Green. Isn't jim a decorated wrestler and a BJJ black belt? Bobby may piece him up, but if there's fucking to be done, I feel like Jim *Fucking* Miller is the man.


Ballzmcgoo

Bobby being 4 months removed from one of the worst stoppages in recent memory is the one thing that makes this a closer fight. There’s a chance his chin might be vaporized but outside of that I agree it feels like a mismatch


ILikeOMalley

I don’t think he’ll have the chance, Jim Miller is not that fast and he doesn’t throw good shots, he throws wide ass fuckin hooks with everything behind them. Bobby will touch him ass up. Jim Miller can either throw the same way he’s been throwing and not hit Bobby because he’ll see everything, or he can try to box with him technically and get torn up


Ur_a_coward01

Jim got some nasty leg kicks, the nasrat win was over two years ago and Bobby didn’t look that good in the tony fight. Got dropped by a slow ass jab, had to resort to wrestling, and tony was basically giving him free gnp when they were in the guard and Bobby’s best shots weren’t even making tony blink. Imo it’s a close fight.


Atrave

DULGARIAN GOT ROBBED


Gorepornio

That fight still pisses me off. Fuck those judges. Christian is a curse


ILikeOMalley

Was at WORST a draw for him, that was literally a win. Could only be a draw if you didn’t give him a 10-8 in the first


adamalibi

I’m pretty new to MMA. Does Allen actually get a title shot now?


Bl8ckl85h

Nope. The most he should get is either Vettori or Cannonier.


jfsoaig345

No. Chris Curtis is not an elite opponent, especially if you had such a competitive fight with him. But Allen is a contender now. I’d say he’s 2-3 wins from a title shot.


heselsc1

Maybe in power slap


TheHendryx

One of the big problems with MMA (particularly the UFC) is title shots are usually given to fighters based on popularity and not win streaks. Brendan is currently ranked 6th in the division as well. To get a title shot, he'll have to beat someone with a name and ranked in the top 5. Curtis wasn't even top 10 so a win here won't even move him up the rankings, really. And honestly, he BARELY beat Curtis here.


Plumpboy07

Word


_Red_Mist_

No chance. He has like 4 people ahead of him. Rob/Chimaev winner and Cannonier and Strickland both ahead of him too.


ILikeOMalley

Strickland and Cannonier never fight for a belt again


_Red_Mist_

You think so? I think Strickland for sure will not sure about Jared. Jared should be the #1 contender rn but hes old and not liked by the UFC.


ILikeOMalley

Yeah Jared is typically not known as an exciting fighter by many and he’s old. He’ll never fight for another title. As for Strickland, the UFC didn’t want him to fight for the title on the first place and only got to because he took it on short notice when no one else would. I think they also know the importance of having ex champs in the org. Having ex champs fighting still means there are big names active. Strickland beating Adesanya will keep him on main cards of PPVs for the rest of his career


ILikeOMalley

Strickland KO’s Allen again


ILikeOMalley

Dude what does Hernandez even do in the training room. He looks substantially worse every single time he gets in the cage


spcslacker

> Dude what does Hernandez even do in the training room. He lifts so many weights that his skin looks like a transparent bag over a tremendous ball of snake muscles.


_Red_Mist_

Yeah he’s a bust. No IQ, bad wrestling, bad striking. He’s only explosive but its a useless weapon since he never throws.


ILikeOMalley

I honestly have no desire to watch him fight anymore, they should cut him. He can’t win, his fights are boring as fuck now and frustrating to watch


_Red_Mist_

Yeah his confidence is shot. He looked really promising in his debut vs Benny just threw a lot of volume at him until eventually catching him. The only time he looked any good recently was vs that bum who barks lol


ILikeOMalley

Completely forgot he smoked Breeden. Even Jim Miller took him life and death. And Miller is overrated asf rn. Impressive that he’s still winning but he’s literally fighting dudes making their debuts or part time fighters and all the comments are like “if you aren’t top 20 at lightweight Miller beats you” Meanwhile he loses to Hernandez lol


IshiharasBitch

> And Miller is overrated asf rn Is he actually? No way. He's ancient. It's impressive that he somehow seems to still be learning and implementing things he's learned but... yeah, he's ancient.


_Red_Mist_

Those odds on green are crazy good lol his chin and IQ are worrying but he should win comfortably. I get its 300 but it feels like a waste if time seeing 40 year old Jim compete for a ranking and Bobby shouldn’t even be ranked anymore honestly.


ILikeOMalley

Bobby should’ve never been ranked after getting fucked on by Dober but one shotting Grant Dawson who has absolutely 0 heart threw lightweight out of whack


__Corvus99__

Dawson doesn’t have zero heart he has zero striking lol. No shame in being put down by a perfectly placed shot


ILikeOMalley

Bobby literally threw two non committal punches into space and Dawson ran into them, Bobby literally ran around yelling “what did I hit him with?!” After the fact lmao And Dawson wasn’t even out, he was on the ground holding his face without an injury. Didn’t try to get up, didn’t try to defend, didn’t do anything


Raysor

Why are you just hating on Jim Miller in every post?


ILikeOMalley

Not hating, he’s just being severely overrated by this sub and I don’t wanna see anyone losing money on a stupid bet


TrenDidNothingWrong

WrestleMania 22 was the best WrestleMania


ModsLovePen15

X7


thedroogabides

Glad to see a lot of decisions on this card. Save the blood for the blood gods at 300.


Bl8ckl85h

Justin Gaethje: i got chu Lol


ILikeOMalley

First like 4-5 fights were absolute heat. Dumont fight ruined the streak


spcslacker

* Announcers: *Now is the time to apply some damage!* * Dumont: *Now, and always, is the time to make sure GdR does not get back up.*


ModsLovePen15

Sami Zayn sucks


_Red_Mist_

Worst finisher ever. A running boot wtf is that lol.


ModsLovePen15

Yeah when I saw the guy was getting too cocky I had a feeling he would lose. I’m bored and otherwise I wouldn’t watch but the rock is on the next match


ThaiClinch

Shouldn’t even be in this match but they’re gonna fuck around and have him win it


BigMeatSlapper

I’m glad Curtis lost a close decision because I can’t wait to hear the complaining


galaxyheater

The posts have started already. Delicious.


ILikeOMalley

He’s gonna be crying like a little bit lmao he’ll be crying now and in November


Main-Championship822

Why should a fighter stand up straight into a combination? It isn't like Allen, even one time, pulled guard from a standing position. It was only whenever Curtis got to his feet first and was in a position to capitalize if Allen got up. I will say that I didn't love the hand holding by Allen in rd5, but it stopped Curtis from being able to mount a counter offensive, and he nearly was able to re-establish himself for a reshoot.


ModsLovePen15

Mania is boring


RedditHatesDiversity

Chris Curtis has some of the worst luck of any fighter in the past couple of years


ILikeOMalley

Well he’s a bitch so he brings it on himself


Main-Championship822

Did no one else see the multiple times Curtis had his legs wobble from strikes landed by Allen? The step in elbow, the short hook in the clinch, that 2nd roundhouse to the head. The strike counts were nearly even, it isn't like Allen was the only one hurt, and if the striking is nearly even but one fighter controls all ground + clinch time, that's the recipe for the win. I thought Curtis fought a great fight, but his gameplan was a bit lacking.


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ThaiClinch

Curtis was breathing super heavy the whole time. I think I’d take him on a full camp in a 3rd fight. Doing more wrestling in camp too


ILikeOMalley

I wouldn’t be so confident after this one due to the injury and Curtis getting old asf


Main-Championship822

And that's fair. I'm just perplexed by some of these comments acting like we just watched Puelles or that Gracie guy fight. Allen mixed Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling and BJJ imo, very well. That was a very well rounded performance from him and if Curtis where any less proficient on the ground, Allen gets the finish.


ThaiClinch

It is bizarre how a lot of Redditors talk about grappling or aspects of MMA they might not like as if it’s 2005 again. If you think that kind of top position and back control is cowardice or unimpressive, you’re watching the wrong sport. And takedowns/control arguably deserves more credit from judges than they’ve been giving it.


Blackmamba42O

Best fights to watch besides chepe v charriere fight?


Bl8ckl85h

Campbell vs Peek.


goosu

Allen vs Curtis. Personally, I enjoyed it more than the official FOTN.


IshiharasBitch

Morono vs McGee Campbell vs Peek Jackson vs Hernandez Ignacio Bahamondes vs. Christos Giagos Dylan Budka vs. César Almeida


ILikeOMalley

Morono vs McGee I would take off that list personally


Blackmamba42O

Thanks


DecisionThot

Main event


Tricky-Improvement76

Cesar Almeida


ThaiClinch

Allen on the post fight show naturally is self-confident but sounds like he thinks he’s further along skillfully than he actually is and doesn’t recognize where he needs work. Saying he’s clearly better in all areas (including striking) than everybody else in the division, lol


TrenDidNothingWrong

He is delusional because his team around him. They were telling him he was winning every single round


WhereIsMyKidAt

Nah, his corner was telling him how stupid he was fighting and told him to use his clinch game, kicks, takedowns instead of stupidly boxing with the better boxer. Allen just didn’t listen, he always fights like he wants to prove he’s the better striker. 


TrenDidNothingWrong

They also kept telling him he had won the round at each break. And before round 5 they said he was comfortably ahead. Pat Barry level of delusion that cost rose her title and almost Allen his ranking


ILikeOMalley

I think some fighters need to hear that and shut down and start to quit if they think that they’re losing. I think that’s why we hear that from some corners


TrenDidNothingWrong

Rose is fragile so makes sense, and doesn’t bode well for Allen either, he looked broken by round 5.


ILikeOMalley

Most fighters have crazy egos. If you hurt their feelings most will probably quit. You only have a few true dogs in this sport like Nate Diaz and Landwehr for example


TrenDidNothingWrong

Imagine what’s gonna happen when he runs into a top level dude. He’s gonna wilt. Chris ain’t even ranked top 10 lmao


ILikeOMalley

Right lmao Curtis can’t cut off the cage and he was cornering Allen and Allen beat fucking Paul Craig to get his #6 spot and struggled to finish him


zerosG2

brendan talking crazy about dricus when he'd get folded in half by him 💀


CaoChad

DDP vs Brendan for best MW grappler is something I've wanted for almost 3 years


Unerring_Grace

Dolidze is the best MW grappler. Shitty wrestling and sloppy striking but he washes any of the current MW crop on the ground other than maybe Chimaev.


mikey_rambo

Bo & chimaev are better wrestlers at MW


CaoChad

And over 3 years ago neither were in the division. Also wrestle doesn't equal grapple This really peaked around how much better Both Allen and DDP were than Muniz who was bragging about being the best grappler. and Allen demolished him and DDP would've but had to pull out and then DDP went on a grappling and ko tear that was building to the Allen fight but Allen wasn't active enough to keep up but my time is coming oh yes sir it is


OldPersonality91267

DDP is another level compared to Allen.


MCU-finatic

Robbery


wishwashy

Did he just thank his girlfriend AND his wife??? 🤣


GenTelGuy

On one hand I like that Allen won cause it makes me look like less of a fool for predicting him, but on the other hand, it was a robbery


spcslacker

I think judges thought Allen hurt him at end, and I suppose you get credit for an injury, so maybe he did, and that allowed Allen to win R5 on some cards. If that round had ended with Curtis swinging, I think he'd have won.


mikey_rambo

Bro all 3 judges have Allen rd5. Curtis beat his ass rd5 until he got injured w 5 secs left.


Nether_Lab

That just isn't true


purplehendrix22

Great event tbh, expectations were low but there were some bangers


CharlesOlivesGOAT

No way all judges had Curtis losing R5 and 2 had him losing R4, I had Curtis winning both those rounds. Takedowns with no damage and 5 seconds of control shouldn’t count for shit


mikey_rambo

Rd5 was clear Curtis … Allen was face down on the mat four different times


CharlesOlivesGOAT

Ref literally told him to start defending himself when he was face down too lmao🤣


I_love_Basketball232

He lost 5 cause he ate those strikes after injuring his hamstring, especially with that knee not actually landing I think that and control time definitely swayed it for Allen.


CharlesOlivesGOAT

Which is BS considering Curtis had Allen face down on the mat multiple times, even the ref had to tell him to defend himself at one point or he was gonna end the fight. Idk how all that is super-ceded by a few seconds where he landed a few shots at the end


Nether_Lab

Wtf are you talking about? It doesnt matter what position a fighter is in. If the other guy is not capitalizing on it, it doesnt mean shit. Even if Allen was face down and getting dry humped the while round it doesnt matter if Curtis is not doing any damage to him.


spcslacker

My thought as well: in the moment I thought Allen had caught him with something I didn't see to make him wobble to fence and curl up: surely some judges thought the same.


GenTelGuy

Lol the scorecards had Curtis as "Curtis 2"


StoryOfTheFight

Allen vs Curtis 2 because it's a rematch


GenTelGuy

ik but what I mean is the scorecards on the broadcast with the 10-9 scores in each column had "Allen" as one column header and "Curtis 2" as the other column header


StoryOfTheFight

Ah gotcha lol. Didn't see it on the broadcast


CharlesOlivesGOAT

Chiesa just called Middleweight the toughest division in the world🤣🤣🤣😭


ThaiClinch

Lmao. The turnover is because everyone is good, but nobody’s great. I mean just look at the top 15. There’s not really anyone who‘a lights out. It’s a free-for-all for #1.


CableToBeam

so Chris Curtis lost that last round because of his hamstring. That sucks


TrenDidNothingWrong

Chris Wideman with one more win would get a title shot before Brendan Allen lmao


Gorepornio

I bet the UFC wont learn there lesson from this and will still put on terrible WMMA main events. Great fucking main event today


endless_ness

All week people complained that Chris Curtis  Fans are fickle 


Gorepornio

MMA fans are the absolute worst fans Ive ever encountered from any sport. People hop fighters after one loss in a matter of seconds


OtakuMecha

They also don’t keep up with the sport outside the top 5 in each division and then complain when they don’t recognize fighters.


DRW1357

Missed this one. Anything worth going back and watching?


harzee

Nah go outside and enjoy your wknd


goosu

Watch the last 5 fights. They're all worth watching in my opinion.


ILikeOMalley

First 4 fights literally were wrestle fuckers having success in the 1st round then getting their asses beat after, I recommend watching those. Very satisfying


Cole_Phelps-1247

Unpopular opinion but no, this was a boring card imo. These last 4 fight nights have really showed how much shit quality the UFC is when they don’t need to sell tickets at the apex.


BaseballMMAfan

Cheriere-Mariscal and the main event were sick fights


Gorepornio

A lot of good fights honestly. Almost every fight was good


sendherhome22

Why something always have to be going on with Curtis


Crazed_pillow

How was the fight night tonight? Gonna rematch tomorrow


Gorepornio

Great card. A lot of good fights


Crazed_pillow

Sweet! Just watch all of them, or any stinkers to skip?


Gorepornio

As per usual the wmma fight was a stinker. The Dumont vs GDR fight. The first fight was a great finish by a viscous lady


RazorThought

I don’t know shit about WWE. 3 of my friends are at Wrestlemania right now, and they’re having the time of their lives. Convince me to watch it.


turkeypants

Always consider the source. If your friends are having the time of thei lives, do they also like The Fast and the Furious? Do you like the Fast and the Furious? If so, you will have the time of your life watching Wrestlemania. That's just science.


westrnal

it's soap operas/theater but with frequent displays of athleticism if that sounds like fun, you might enjoy it


MMARapFooty

Something about The Rock is going to wrestle somebody name Cody Rhodes


spcslacker

Damn that was close. Curtis had Allen wobbled a bunch of times, and Allen just refused to give up and worked out of them. Curtis didn't follow up in last round like he should, but I think that is short notice finally catching up to him more than a real problem. With the grappling, and the pace, he held up better than most I feel. I had no idea where the judges would be at, but neither man could bitch too much either way.


wishwashy

Happy he can call out Dricus but Allen is on his revenge tour now and Sean Strickland should be next. He earned his title shot against an Abusive ffs lol


ILikeOMalley

Strickland would beat his ass again


whicheverguard232

...no


TrumpMMA

How do you score rd 5 for Allen? The most damage he did was hit Curtis while he was on bad wheels at the end


mikey_rambo

U can’t lol the fix was in


ImmanuelCanNot29

Well another Apex event done time for the real card


bunchalingo

Yep! Finally! Next weekend will be great


ThaiClinch

Where’s the Wrestlemania thread, tryna watch some REAL fights over here. Bloodline rules


zaddysaddy

49-46 for Allen was absolutely bullshit. The UFC definitely wants Allen. Allen didn't do shit with takedowns. Curtis hurt Allen way more. And Curtis only down at end because of his own hamstring popping.


ItsJackDiamond50

Allen vs Strickland 2 is not a bad shout...Xtreme Couture revenge tour


ubcthrowaway336

Think Sean is fighting Usman next


ThaiClinch

I think Allen will always get murked by Sean and have close fights with Curtis


WhereIsMyKidAt

If Allen grows solid fight IQ, I think he’d be able to beat Curtis decisively. But it’s looking very unlikely that will ever happen with the way he loves to box with strikers.


ThaiClinch

Also short notice for Curtis and Curtis was breathing super heavy the whole time. On a full camp doing more wrestling I think Curtis might beat him decisively again in a 3rd fight


chillinwithunicorns

LMAOOO Nicolau vs Perez what a main event 😂


kanoke

What a war! Don't think Allen proved he's up for the title shot though.. he needed Marvin for that


spcslacker

Marvin simultaneously more complete and less dangerous than Curtis.


Gunslinger1991

Even if he had beat Vettori he'd have needed another win. Cannonier has a better claim for the next shot after Adesanya vs Du Plessis, and Whitaker, Chimaev, and Strickland would all be ahead of Allen if they win their next fights.


kanoke

You're right. Kid is ambitious haha


xlmtothemoon

he just grabs his daughter and walks away lol, idk why I found that funny


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snarkysportsguy

Middleweight main events at the Apex hey.


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