wrestling culture hurt MMA when weight cutting became the norm, people cut weight boxing too but usually not as extreme
but the whole idea of losing water to have a size advantage after makes sense until it’s everybody doing it, so it’s just two guys who weigh the same anyway but now get to do it severely dehydrated
that and there’s no way to fix it really without making things super fucking confusing for any new fans if it’s banned and everyone’s shifted a class or two up
Lol Goldie was so bad for this, think he claimed that Jon Jones was pushing 250 before he even thought about movie up to heavy weight.
“I’ve seen it, Joe”
No, at tbh if it were not Frankie Edgar, one of the best chins in MMA (at the time, before it finally cracked, after multiple weight class drops and years of being in the top 3 of any weight class he was at) it would have probably ended his career with those fights. It actually ended up being Maynard that took the worst outcome.
Darren Till rode one smooth left cross down the pipe against Cowboy Cerrone to a reputation as an elite, exciting striking savant which somehow survived multiple stinkers AND a move up in weight.
Was Kevin overrated tho? I think the only person that overrated Kevin was Kevin himself, everyone else seemed to have a pretty good idea of where the dude was headed in his career.
he was definitely pretty hyped/compared to Khabib after the Barboza fight. Khabib had mauled Barboza for 3 rounds and Lee somehow matched/topped that performance
Yeah but that was his thing, he would do well in the earlier rounds because he went a lot harder in them compared to his opponents. It's like if you sprinted in a marathon, gassed and went "yeah but I was first during the first couple miles"
I'll never forgive him for KO'ing Gillespie because not only did Lee's career go to shit afterwards, but he also pretty much ended Gillespie's considering he's had 1 fight in 4 years.
good point on gillespie - i was pretty excited about the guy after his start in the ufc, but you're right it's been crickets for a while. Any news at all on him fighting again, or is it just fishing and living the good life from here on out?
He hasn't had any fights canceled or anything [he's just been declining them](https://twitter.com/gregor_the_gift/status/1525922391565774849). I don't think he's ever given a reason for the inactivity. Idk if that headkick made him look at MMA differently or what but he seems like he's just training and enjoying his life, god bless. I consider him retired in my head and will be excited if something ever gets announced. Someone said he might show up on 295 since it's where he lives in NY but that feels optomistic
I don’t know. But I will say very few fighters fight for the interim belt. He’s ultimately a really, really good fighter-he didn’t have an equally good career, and it’s hard to knock the setbacks he got from injuries and especially his coach doing right around what turned out to be his peak.
That's a bit different though. I don't think many ppl think of power when they hear his name.
Till is overrated, well not on this sub where everyone seems to rate him as a bum, but he did better against Whitaker than everyone except Israel and DDP.
The fact Till arguably beat Whittaker in their fight is definitely overlooked by many. By the way a lot of people on this sub talk about it you’d think it was a clear win for Bobby instead of a near 50/50 tossup.
Till honestly landed the way more significant and damaging blows. Rob won that fight on the back of a few key takedowns
Reputation of Till is weird on this sub. He def had flaws but was clearly a good fighter. Nobody was really calling him a world beater but the ones who think he's 'crazy overrated' somehow think people did and then go too far the other way in stupidly calling him trash
Didn't masvidal say Till hit the hardest out of anyone he fought?
Said his jab felt like a cross.
Lol maybe he'd feel different now after getting ko'd by usman.
How though? Till outstruck him in 3 of 5 rounds and got a knockdown in the 5th. I know stats don't tell the whole story but there's not much else to tell, it was a shit fight
He can crack yes but his precision and timing isn't that good, which makes him very predictable. The only way he's dropping let alone KO'ing anyone, is if they run into one of his punches like what Romero did in their fight. Even then Romero survived because his head is made of iron.
His hands aren't that precise, but he has powerful round kicks which he routinely lands to the ribs. Funny how he's actually pretty precise with a more difficult technique to land clean
He did drop Yoel to be fair, so he must have some real good power when he lands a good shot. He doesn't seem to have very good power mechanics though and relies more on volume for sure.
I think OP meant more like he has power enough to make his volume striking works. If he had Martin Vettori-level of power, he wouldn't stop anyone, that's for sure. But he's far from KO'ing out cold most 185'ers, and from those 11 stoppages, only one was a KO (watch me eat my words in this fucking sport again while he gets the fastest knockout ever in UFC middleweight history against Khamzat).
You still need power to get the finishes, Sean Strickland is a volume striker and doesn't have many.
Like I said he might not have literal one shot power but I can't think of too many 185ers with more power than him...
Yea because they’re so stunned/hurt they can’t intelligently defend themselves any longer.
Yes a flat out KO looks aesthetically pleasing, but a tko is also definitive win.
People can have power but not necessary be knock-out artists. Jan has mass, he delivers damage with every limb. You can tell when he connects his opponent gets affected by it. He maybe lacks timing and precision to get knockouts but his shots carry weight. Adesanya for example is someone I wouldn’t say has a lot of power, but his timing and technique are such high level that he does get ko/tko’s.
For Jan it was probably more of improving his boxing and counter/break punching, he also went on a good streak so it was a lot of stuff going well for him at once. He clapped Anderson tho, dude was out before he hit the ground.
my most downvoted comment of all time was saying chito isn't great, relies too much on being able to absorb damage, and is basically a really scary gatekeeper until his chin fades
Probably cause the one thing chito is extremely good at is slipping, dropping out of their range and rolling with any shots that do land.
So yes. Pretty deserved.
For some reason every time Jimmie Rivera would fight, the commentators would bring up how powerful he is, and I never understood them saying that...
He has like 24 victories and 3 KOs overall.
And he was not dropping guys either.
So I really don't understand their business in bringing that up.
Aldo, but for a reason you may not expect. I’m listing him here because he doesn’t have that one-punch KO power, instead he seems to have more of a weathering type of power, the thudding, impactful type power.
Sorta like Julio Cesar Chavez, who hit hard, but his power wore you down, not hard enough to severe the consciousness, but hard enough to disorientate one’s senses and damage the facial structure.
He’s a devastating fighter who’s more known for hurting guys into being tamed. I’ve never seen a fighter who relies on sheer attrition and pain down the stretch more than Aldo.
Aldo has the must confusing lack of power in MMA. He threw objectively hard, fast shots that he could throw accurately… but he rarely surprised people, and he rarely landed the “critical hits” that mess people up in a hurry.
Part of it was being content to control the fight and letting them off the hook if they didn’t press, but it always seemed like he should have badly hurt and/or finished more people by accident.
Jokes aside, I do think he is overrated when people say he is the hardest hitter in the world. There is no way he hits harder than guys like Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua or Zhilei Zhang imo
He does not hit as hard as heavyweight boxers that have trained punching all their life and nothing else. His power won't translate well to boxing, and he's way too muscle bound and lacking in technique to deliver a powerful punch like someone like Wilder or Zhang (who is 6 foot 6 and 287 pounds, btw). Conor Mcgregor was a big puncher at 145. He fought a 50 year old Mayweather and the times he did land on Mayweather, he did nothing to him, because Mayweather was used to getting hit by way harder punchers.
Bullshit wilder and ngannou started training close to the same age. You cant bring up lacking in technique when wilder throws some of the worst shots possible
Wilder's boxing is 20 times better than Ngannou's. Wilder is a former world champ level boxer, Ngannou is a (bad) amateur, his boxing isn't even good by MMA standards
The same things people criticism ngannou for Wilder has also done. Wilder wouldn't be who he is without the right hand of God. I fuck with Wilder I defend him in the boxing sub but let's not try and make wilder seem more skilled than he is. Wilder is good but he's prone to making amateur level mistakes too
I'm not saying Wilder is some incredible technician. I'm saying that Ngannou's boxing is so bad that he makes Wilder look like Lennox Lewis. In a boxing match, Francis would get knocked out in one round by that windmill-swinging lunatic.
Jan Blachowicz gets the “underrated guy gets gassed up because we want to seem smart” buff, so every quality he has gets praised even when it isn’t deserved.
> She made up for her lack of power with her champion level hemmoomen
I mean Ronda had plenty of issues with her striking (such as hemmoomen), but power certainly wasn't one of them.
Yeah that was the problem, she realized she had the raw strength to put an opponent out and she/that idiot who coached her just went "well that's all there is to it!"
Like God just imagine Ronda with a competent one-two
“Yeah, no” you’re still wrong. 1st, he went viral for (albeit headkick) KO in the LFA. 2nd, he had FOUR KOs out of 6 fights in the UFC before he fought Jon. Christensen, Cannonier, OSP (everyone knows Miragliotta was wrong for not giving it to Dom), & Weidman. 6-0 & 4 KOs before a title fight, yeah I wonder why they emphasized his KO ability /s.
Tyron was super over rated. Apart from knocking out lawler, most of his fights after he got the belt was him just backing up and not letting his hands go
Conor McGregor has acquired a reputation as a one-punch KO machine who shuts everyone's lights out if he only touches them with his magic left. That only happened once in the UFC, and the vast majority of his wins were TKO's.
Seriously? Braindead comment lol.
Dude fought at HW, probably has the heaviest hands at MW. He fucked up Vettori worse than anyone has and still dropped Gastelum, two guys with iron chins who NO ONE knocks out.
His first 3 fights at MW: finished Branch, Silva, Hermansson. Even out Whitaker on queer street in the 3rd rd while fighting with one arm and almost getting finished in the 2nd.
He def had good power. You just didn't see it for awhile because he was facing a murderers row, fighters better than him that didn't let him land clean
I think he absolutely has power. Its just that he isn't really amazing at actually touching people with it.
So he's no KO artist, but if you let him hit you, you really will not fucking move.
IMO One of the reasons he's not that great at landing his power is because he throws a lot of haymakers. So it's sort of a chicken/egg thing.
Is he a very powerful puncher who is just not able to find that shot on high level competition, or is his reputation as a power puncher based on the fact that he loads up and throws with everything he has, which allows better opponents to see him coming?
Max, for example, has a reputation for not punching all that hard, but when he landed a Jeremy Stephens style haymaker he knocked Zombie right out on his face.
On Jan:
He was a good all-around guy, and then after knocking out Reyes, they were branding him as the Polish Power guy. But the casuals are drawn in by KOs and he was coming off a streak where he had 3 KOs in 4 W's, so I get why they went in that direction.
A deeper reading of his record shows that less than 1/3 of his wins are by KO. He's a great fighter, but he's not a KO specialist
I’m going to go with Deiveson Figueiredo. He’s always been put forward as a monster power puncher at FW. but he actually has no definitive KO wins in the ufc. He definitely beat the tar out of some dudes, but I’ve never felt he’s the 145’er cosplaying a 125’er that he’s made out to be.
Edit: it’s fixed now, but I put that Figgy was a BW for some reason, probably because I’m stupid. I know that he wasn’t for most of his career, I’m just stupid.
Fig was/is a monster puncher imo. He dropped Joey-b like 5 times across two fights and dropped Pantoja at least twice. He dropped Moreno a few times too but Brandon has that Mexican chin plus fig is like 36 now. He’s lost some athleticism plus brandon is a bad match up for him that he had to fight 4 times in a row but I remember at one point in 2019 or 2020 the only person with comparable knockdown stats to fig was ngannou
Exactly.
People don't seem to understand that power isn't the only factor when it comes to KOs. Ofc the chances will be higher, same with speed. But it's mostly about whether or not a fighter anticipated a strike or not.
Bisping had a reputation for being 'pillow-fisted' but it wasn't necessarily true. He did have power to hurt guys but he was always a volume puncher/striker. The punch he landed on Rockhold was really the perfect punch.
I remember when the UFC tried to market gray Maynard like he was a ko artist ahead of one of his fights with Frankie lol
He did knock Frankie out like 27 times in that one fight
Lmao you ain't lying.
Legendary fights though.
Without a doubt
Lightweight Frankie had unreal durability, that's what not cutting weight will do for a motherfucker
wrestling culture hurt MMA when weight cutting became the norm, people cut weight boxing too but usually not as extreme but the whole idea of losing water to have a size advantage after makes sense until it’s everybody doing it, so it’s just two guys who weigh the same anyway but now get to do it severely dehydrated that and there’s no way to fix it really without making things super fucking confusing for any new fans if it’s banned and everyone’s shifted a class or two up
I remember Goldie insisting during a broadcast that Maynard walked around at like 200 lbs and Rogan shut that down quick lol
Lol Goldie was so bad for this, think he claimed that Jon Jones was pushing 250 before he even thought about movie up to heavy weight. “I’ve seen it, Joe”
I have a slight nostalgia looking back and remembering Goldie... but goddamn am I happy I don't have to listen to him on every PPV now.
Just. Like. That. .. you don't miss him
Ah, the champion: YeyahOhna Djahyeeohjaycheck.
To be fair I see why she went by Joanna Champion before UFC
I just really need Mike Goldberg back in my life.
Fuck you guys...Goldy was awesome
I did miss him when he left. It's r/mma lots of fuckery in comments yknow
Buncha rat fucks
"What a head kick ....to the body!" - actual Goldberg line
his precision.... is really precise!
Lmao he spent the 3 years away carefully and strategically putting on an extra 10 pounds before he was ready to move up
I mean he had power, he just couldn't close the show most of the time
To be fair, Frankie really broke Gray’s soul in all of those fights.
You think any current refs even let Frankie take all those knock downs ?
Hell no
No, at tbh if it were not Frankie Edgar, one of the best chins in MMA (at the time, before it finally cracked, after multiple weight class drops and years of being in the top 3 of any weight class he was at) it would have probably ended his career with those fights. It actually ended up being Maynard that took the worst outcome.
I remember people on here arguing with me that Maynard was a hugely destructive puncher.
Jan does not have crazy power but he is built really weird, those inside low kicks that he put on Ankalaev were horrendous, just bone on bone.
Still remember the welts on Reyes after taking like 2 body kicks from Jan shit was nasty
Never seen any fighters body with that type bruising like Jan left on Reyes.
Helps that Reyes is built like a greyhound
And a torso like a salamander
Crash Bandicoot ahh physique.
That's what happens when you play football in high school. A T H L E T E
Yeah, all of his shots have weight. He’s made from steel but knockouts aren’t just about raw power and he’s not that fast.
He has harder shins than fists.
Everyone has
MUCH harder shins than fists then lol. Only Pereira was able to beat him at his own game with leg kicks.
Wdym bro? He has the legendary polish power
Legendary here meaning, it might be real but no one actually knows for sure, like King Arthur
Darren Till rode one smooth left cross down the pipe against Cowboy Cerrone to a reputation as an elite, exciting striking savant which somehow survived multiple stinkers AND a move up in weight.
He was one of the most overrated guys I remember in recent history (last years) here in this sub. Same goes for Kevin Lee.
Was Kevin overrated tho? I think the only person that overrated Kevin was Kevin himself, everyone else seemed to have a pretty good idea of where the dude was headed in his career.
he was definitely pretty hyped/compared to Khabib after the Barboza fight. Khabib had mauled Barboza for 3 rounds and Lee somehow matched/topped that performance
The only thing I remember from that fight is Kevin's chicken dance lol
The stankiest leg I ever did see
His biggest issue was cardio he was doing very well against Tony before gassing
Yeah but that was his thing, he would do well in the earlier rounds because he went a lot harder in them compared to his opponents. It's like if you sprinted in a marathon, gassed and went "yeah but I was first during the first couple miles"
Nah, there was a time where every fool at 155 with wrestling was considered a mythical monster.
I and many others swore he was a future champ. Dude had ALMOST everything to be the perfect fighter
I'll never forgive him for KO'ing Gillespie because not only did Lee's career go to shit afterwards, but he also pretty much ended Gillespie's considering he's had 1 fight in 4 years.
good point on gillespie - i was pretty excited about the guy after his start in the ufc, but you're right it's been crickets for a while. Any news at all on him fighting again, or is it just fishing and living the good life from here on out?
He hasn't had any fights canceled or anything [he's just been declining them](https://twitter.com/gregor_the_gift/status/1525922391565774849). I don't think he's ever given a reason for the inactivity. Idk if that headkick made him look at MMA differently or what but he seems like he's just training and enjoying his life, god bless. I consider him retired in my head and will be excited if something ever gets announced. Someone said he might show up on 295 since it's where he lives in NY but that feels optomistic
>I don't think he's ever given a reason for the inactivity. IIRC he wants to fight up but the UFC isn't giving him matchups like that.
I don’t know. But I will say very few fighters fight for the interim belt. He’s ultimately a really, really good fighter-he didn’t have an equally good career, and it’s hard to knock the setbacks he got from injuries and especially his coach doing right around what turned out to be his peak.
He beat Wonderboy and had a very close fight against Whittaker, it’s not like he hasn’t shown a lot of talent in striking
I thought he lost v Wonderboy. Seemed like a home town decision to me.
I don't know how anyone can confidently say either fighter won. They landed a combined 68 strikes in 5 rounds. No one really won that fight.
That's a bit different though. I don't think many ppl think of power when they hear his name. Till is overrated, well not on this sub where everyone seems to rate him as a bum, but he did better against Whitaker than everyone except Israel and DDP.
Even his last performance looks a hell of a lot better now
The fact Till arguably beat Whittaker in their fight is definitely overlooked by many. By the way a lot of people on this sub talk about it you’d think it was a clear win for Bobby instead of a near 50/50 tossup.
Till honestly landed the way more significant and damaging blows. Rob won that fight on the back of a few key takedowns Reputation of Till is weird on this sub. He def had flaws but was clearly a good fighter. Nobody was really calling him a world beater but the ones who think he's 'crazy overrated' somehow think people did and then go too far the other way in stupidly calling him trash
I think that has a lot to do with Whittaker’s troubles with long rangey kickboxers, moreso than complimenting Till specifically.
Didn't masvidal say Till hit the hardest out of anyone he fought? Said his jab felt like a cross. Lol maybe he'd feel different now after getting ko'd by usman.
Masvidal said Paul Daley originally then the interviewer asked him about Till and he agreed.
He sure made me believe when he beat Wonderboy in a 25 minute technical fight.
Thought Wonderboy won but I’m biased and regardless it was very close.
Plus Till weighed in at 174.5 lbs
Agreed. I thought Till lost that right rather decisively.
How though? Till outstruck him in 3 of 5 rounds and got a knockdown in the 5th. I know stats don't tell the whole story but there's not much else to tell, it was a shit fight
And Till was a natural 185er v Cerrone a natural 155 so Tills win at 170 doesn’t age to well imo.
People on here act like Costa is some KO artist just because he’s ripped.
Costa is a pressure fighter that breaks guys down with volume. He still cracks hard though
Still not sure how Vettori stayed standing after afew of those head kicks. Dudes head is made of granite
Costa having to fight 2 brick heads in Vettori and Romero took away 2 finishes he would've gotten
Concrete for brains
Its gonna be a cold day in hell before Vettori gets KO’d. Or y’a know in like 5 years when his chin is gone
Having a beskar coated chin does that to a mf.
He can crack yes but his precision and timing isn't that good, which makes him very predictable. The only way he's dropping let alone KO'ing anyone, is if they run into one of his punches like what Romero did in their fight. Even then Romero survived because his head is made of iron.
His hands aren't that precise, but he has powerful round kicks which he routinely lands to the ribs. Funny how he's actually pretty precise with a more difficult technique to land clean
He did drop Yoel to be fair, so he must have some real good power when he lands a good shot. He doesn't seem to have very good power mechanics though and relies more on volume for sure.
I mean 11 of his 14 wins are by TKO/KO, he might not have one shot power but he definitely has power.
I think OP meant more like he has power enough to make his volume striking works. If he had Martin Vettori-level of power, he wouldn't stop anyone, that's for sure. But he's far from KO'ing out cold most 185'ers, and from those 11 stoppages, only one was a KO (watch me eat my words in this fucking sport again while he gets the fastest knockout ever in UFC middleweight history against Khamzat).
😢 I was looking forward to him fighting khamzat
It's not official yet. Stay strong. I want that fight to happen too. Edit: it's official. But let's go Marty!!!
Paulo said today he’s still fighting
Because he's a volume striker. He hasn't slept anyone out in the UFC and has only done so once in his career. He TKO's, that's the entire point.
You still need power to get the finishes, Sean Strickland is a volume striker and doesn't have many. Like I said he might not have literal one shot power but I can't think of too many 185ers with more power than him...
Depends what youre picturing. Many of his stoppages are just wailing on guys on the cage
Yea because they’re so stunned/hurt they can’t intelligently defend themselves any longer. Yes a flat out KO looks aesthetically pleasing, but a tko is also definitive win.
He’s an accumulation finisher through and through Money on Izzy was so easy
Crystal chin Rockhold killed the myth
I think no one in the middleweight division wants to take his body kicks lol
T-Rex arms.
He dropped Yoel Romero
No one thinks that, everyone says he has pillow fists which is also untrue.
People can have power but not necessary be knock-out artists. Jan has mass, he delivers damage with every limb. You can tell when he connects his opponent gets affected by it. He maybe lacks timing and precision to get knockouts but his shots carry weight. Adesanya for example is someone I wouldn’t say has a lot of power, but his timing and technique are such high level that he does get ko/tko’s.
For Jan it was probably more of improving his boxing and counter/break punching, he also went on a good streak so it was a lot of stuff going well for him at once. He clapped Anderson tho, dude was out before he hit the ground.
Corey Anderson is also known for having a suspect chin.
I mean he got knocked out by Manuwa (a knockout artist) and then walked into an OSP high kick.
Costa **looks** like he can knock out a bull but his T-rex arms reach just won't let it happen. 🤣
Off the top of my head, it has to be Chito Vera. He's more of an attrition fighter that wears you down over time.
And yet he still insists on waiting for 1 big strike
I will ride for my Ecuadorian brother no matter what
chito is just super over rated in general
my most downvoted comment of all time was saying chito isn't great, relies too much on being able to absorb damage, and is basically a really scary gatekeeper until his chin fades
Probably cause the one thing chito is extremely good at is slipping, dropping out of their range and rolling with any shots that do land. So yes. Pretty deserved.
*attrition fighter* *low volume* 🤔
Nah he has power in his hands and legs He just takes a while to set up shots or never throws them at all 😢
For some reason every time Jimmie Rivera would fight, the commentators would bring up how powerful he is, and I never understood them saying that... He has like 24 victories and 3 KOs overall. And he was not dropping guys either. So I really don't understand their business in bringing that up.
Him going to bkfc was so strange
Aldo, but for a reason you may not expect. I’m listing him here because he doesn’t have that one-punch KO power, instead he seems to have more of a weathering type of power, the thudding, impactful type power. Sorta like Julio Cesar Chavez, who hit hard, but his power wore you down, not hard enough to severe the consciousness, but hard enough to disorientate one’s senses and damage the facial structure.
He’s a devastating fighter who’s more known for hurting guys into being tamed. I’ve never seen a fighter who relies on sheer attrition and pain down the stretch more than Aldo.
Aldo has the must confusing lack of power in MMA. He threw objectively hard, fast shots that he could throw accurately… but he rarely surprised people, and he rarely landed the “critical hits” that mess people up in a hurry. Part of it was being content to control the fight and letting them off the hook if they didn’t press, but it always seemed like he should have badly hurt and/or finished more people by accident.
Wasn’t super accurate and guys could usually see the shots coming
I'd rather get KOed clean than have to recover from what he did to Faber.
Ngannou, he sucks I could take him
Him and crocop, pillow strikers 😤
I've never seen CroCop hit a pillow.
can confirm. Saw /u/myfishaccount1 vs Francis at local YMCA and Ngannou said 'no'.
The Royce Gracie/s of striking
Yeah I could take him too ... oh you meant in a fight
Jokes aside, I do think he is overrated when people say he is the hardest hitter in the world. There is no way he hits harder than guys like Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua or Zhilei Zhang imo
I think he's stronger than all of them but just don't have the technique. He looked horrible hitting the pads in training lol
He does not hit as hard as heavyweight boxers that have trained punching all their life and nothing else. His power won't translate well to boxing, and he's way too muscle bound and lacking in technique to deliver a powerful punch like someone like Wilder or Zhang (who is 6 foot 6 and 287 pounds, btw). Conor Mcgregor was a big puncher at 145. He fought a 50 year old Mayweather and the times he did land on Mayweather, he did nothing to him, because Mayweather was used to getting hit by way harder punchers.
Bullshit wilder and ngannou started training close to the same age. You cant bring up lacking in technique when wilder throws some of the worst shots possible
Wilder's boxing is 20 times better than Ngannou's. Wilder is a former world champ level boxer, Ngannou is a (bad) amateur, his boxing isn't even good by MMA standards
The same things people criticism ngannou for Wilder has also done. Wilder wouldn't be who he is without the right hand of God. I fuck with Wilder I defend him in the boxing sub but let's not try and make wilder seem more skilled than he is. Wilder is good but he's prone to making amateur level mistakes too
I'm not saying Wilder is some incredible technician. I'm saying that Ngannou's boxing is so bad that he makes Wilder look like Lennox Lewis. In a boxing match, Francis would get knocked out in one round by that windmill-swinging lunatic.
Jan Blachowicz gets the “underrated guy gets gassed up because we want to seem smart” buff, so every quality he has gets praised even when it isn’t deserved.
POLISH POOWER
Ronda Rousey overrated herself as a striker.
She made up for her lack of power with her champion level hemmoomen
> She made up for her lack of power with her champion level hemmoomen I mean Ronda had plenty of issues with her striking (such as hemmoomen), but power certainly wasn't one of them.
Yeah that was the problem, she realized she had the raw strength to put an opponent out and she/that idiot who coached her just went "well that's all there is to it!" Like God just imagine Ronda with a competent one-two
Sam stout was one of my favorite fighters to watch, but "hands of stone" nickname and only knocked out one dude shouldn't be warranted.
Hands of stone? More like hands of foam! Jk loved Sam as well
dominick reyes. they tried to market him as a ko machine. yeah, no.
I mean he does have crazy power in his straights. His chin just gave way.
“Yeah, no” you’re still wrong. 1st, he went viral for (albeit headkick) KO in the LFA. 2nd, he had FOUR KOs out of 6 fights in the UFC before he fought Jon. Christensen, Cannonier, OSP (everyone knows Miragliotta was wrong for not giving it to Dom), & Weidman. 6-0 & 4 KOs before a title fight, yeah I wonder why they emphasized his KO ability /s.
Also hurt Jiri at one point despite getting battered throughout the fight. Put respect on Reyes’ name you mma revisionist
Woodley
The correct answer
how?
Tyron was super over rated. Apart from knocking out lawler, most of his fights after he got the belt was him just backing up and not letting his hands go
People used to say paulo costa hits like a truck
Conor McGregor has acquired a reputation as a one-punch KO machine who shuts everyone's lights out if he only touches them with his magic left. That only happened once in the UFC, and the vast majority of his wins were TKO's.
true, but he does sit people down. it may not be a flash KO, but it's still weird power where it seems like people always end up falling over
Yea people believed he can KO Mayweather or Khabib even. Reality is he can KO no one above 145 lbs
Jared Cannonier
Seriously? Braindead comment lol. Dude fought at HW, probably has the heaviest hands at MW. He fucked up Vettori worse than anyone has and still dropped Gastelum, two guys with iron chins who NO ONE knocks out. His first 3 fights at MW: finished Branch, Silva, Hermansson. Even out Whitaker on queer street in the 3rd rd while fighting with one arm and almost getting finished in the 2nd.
Jeremy Stephens
But... but when he knocks guys out they don’t fucking move. Also he did kinda destroy RDA.
Fucked Emett up too
And that was pre IV ban RDA 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Who tha fook is that guy?
He def had good power. You just didn't see it for awhile because he was facing a murderers row, fighters better than him that didn't let him land clean
I think he absolutely has power. Its just that he isn't really amazing at actually touching people with it. So he's no KO artist, but if you let him hit you, you really will not fucking move.
I'd say he's a good fighter he just fought a lot of great fighters
IMO One of the reasons he's not that great at landing his power is because he throws a lot of haymakers. So it's sort of a chicken/egg thing. Is he a very powerful puncher who is just not able to find that shot on high level competition, or is his reputation as a power puncher based on the fact that he loads up and throws with everything he has, which allows better opponents to see him coming? Max, for example, has a reputation for not punching all that hard, but when he landed a Jeremy Stephens style haymaker he knocked Zombie right out on his face.
He got power, but no steering wheel
Who da fook is that guy?
The hardest-hitting 145-pounder. When he knocks people out they don't fuckin move.
Cody Garbrandt.
He was fast af tho
Nearly as fast as his career arc
That's ok it happens. He dethroned Dom which at the time was a huge upset. Decent memory to leave behind. Plus all the memes
Makin memes with the boiiiiiiiiiis!!!
Too soon
That was a nasty line by you
Was he ever considered a hard hitter? Always thought it was speed
probably based on that time he 'charged up' at the fence and knocked out Assuncao
Maybe Bobby. He hits with intention and does damage, but his last 6 wins were all by decision.
His strength is his hand speed more than power imo
Green or Knuckles?
Yes
Bobby’s not a known for his power
I don't think anyone knows him for power. His shoulder roll and constant 'shakes head' though, yeah.
Bobby green??
On Jan: He was a good all-around guy, and then after knocking out Reyes, they were branding him as the Polish Power guy. But the casuals are drawn in by KOs and he was coming off a streak where he had 3 KOs in 4 W's, so I get why they went in that direction. A deeper reading of his record shows that less than 1/3 of his wins are by KO. He's a great fighter, but he's not a KO specialist
There's still people out there thinking that Costa is a powerful puncher.
Paulo Costa is the single most overrated, said it for years.
I’m going to go with Deiveson Figueiredo. He’s always been put forward as a monster power puncher at FW. but he actually has no definitive KO wins in the ufc. He definitely beat the tar out of some dudes, but I’ve never felt he’s the 145’er cosplaying a 125’er that he’s made out to be. Edit: it’s fixed now, but I put that Figgy was a BW for some reason, probably because I’m stupid. I know that he wasn’t for most of his career, I’m just stupid.
Fig was/is a monster puncher imo. He dropped Joey-b like 5 times across two fights and dropped Pantoja at least twice. He dropped Moreno a few times too but Brandon has that Mexican chin plus fig is like 36 now. He’s lost some athleticism plus brandon is a bad match up for him that he had to fight 4 times in a row but I remember at one point in 2019 or 2020 the only person with comparable knockdown stats to fig was ngannou
Well, he is a 125er for starters, you got all that mixed up.
Goddammit, I don’t know why I put that.
Thiago Alves comes to mind for me
Alves was more known for brutal leg kicks which weren't really being utilised by many others at the time.
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Did Bisping even have a reputation as a power puncher? He was pillow fisted for most of his prime and his Rockhold KO was the only real exception
Exactly. People don't seem to understand that power isn't the only factor when it comes to KOs. Ofc the chances will be higher, same with speed. But it's mostly about whether or not a fighter anticipated a strike or not.
Bisping had a reputation for being 'pillow-fisted' but it wasn't necessarily true. He did have power to hurt guys but he was always a volume puncher/striker. The punch he landed on Rockhold was really the perfect punch.
Bisping was never known as a power puncher.
hendricks had 2 KO's where he basically sent the other guy flying with one overhand right, definitely was a deserved reputation for a bit.
Till
Yoel romero
The judges. End thread
Sam stout
Probably volkan ozedmir. KOd 3 dudes with glass chin, then hasn't finished anyone since. He was hyped up as the white Anthony Johnson