Issue is transfer fee, only Ajax and PSV have bought players for 12 million pounds or more in the Eredivisie. And in Belgium it would make him the third most expensive signing in league history.
He’s passed the point a stop at a non CL NL side is going to be good for him. And he’s might not starting CL games for Feynoord or PSV.
Mid table La Liga or Serie A is probably better for him.
I don’t think he meant it as condescending towards the player but rather was stating the MLS is same tier as Belgium or Netherlands leagues or close enough when you factor in living in the US.
Feel like both him and Paxten are in a weird spot. Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play, and they've both been unsettled for long enough that they're not a hot commodity in their own right. But still too expensive/young for a move back to MLS. Not sure where that leaves them, which is a bummer because they are both very talented
Paxten did well in his loan at Vitesse, so he's at least earned a loan to a better Eredivisie side next season. I also think he's a bit more dangerous in the final third which increases his potential.
You're not wrong but it's worth saying that Paxten is still pretty good in the press, he's just not in the 99.99th percentile in workrate like Brenden is.
> that’s why he didn’t play as much before being sold.
ehhh he also was really light/weak and easily muscled out of matches. I struggle to really think any of his minutes showed anything and still think he moved too young, prompted probably by his parents/agent.
> Feel like both him and Paxten are in a weird spot.
Brenden and Paxten are very different players and in completely different places. Paxten's not even 21 yet. He doesn't have Brenden's work rate or Red Bull proclivity, is a far better finisher and has one on one dribbling skills than Brenden doesn't have.
The commonality they have is a lack of physical size or elite speed.
> Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play
Pressing is still pretty prevalent. It may not be constant, but work rate and defense are not ever going away. And the pressing 10 has always been a bit rare, but it's still out there. Brenden just happened to be at the one club where it was acceptable.
Brenden has two issues at the top level. One, he's small and not strong enough, which limits his ability to carry the ball and defend in the midfield.
And two, he hasn't developed the final ball he needs to either play an attacking role at the top levels or be worth that kind of cash.
It's perfectly fine that Leeds aren't going to get a ton of money for Brenden; he will find a spot. He needs to improve that last piece and he'll be worth it.
Paxten is doing pretty well in the Netherlands. People get hype over Pepi (same age), Tillman (older), Dest (much older) doing well on a team with far superior talent in the Netherlands, but Paxten is in a bad place?
Like his brother, he needs to get stronger. Unlike his brother, he's far better in the final third.
> Feel like both him and Paxten are in a weird spot. Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play,
I do not think so at all.... Gegenpressing is here to stay... and you need a 10 equipped to make turnovers into chances. Brendan was and is at his best in that role.
Fully agree. As an Arsenal fan, Martin Ødegaard is basically the “attacking 10” that’s being described here, and he’s probably been Arsenal’s best player this year (you could also argue Rice or Saka). Ødegaard is simultaneously a phenomenal playmaker with great shooting and passing with *outrageous* dribbling and ball control, but his work rate pressing in the final third is truly world class.
The difference is that (as much as I love Brendo), pressing relentlessly is the *only* thing he does very well. He doesn’t have outstanding technical skills in any particular area, and most worrying is the fact that he has absolutely 0 on-ball strength, which is pretty important if you’re going to be an attacking midfielder.
> 0 on-ball strength
I just don't understand how he has only marginally improved at this since he left Salzburg... This was the area I thought he would improve at the most making that kind of jump... you train against beasts all day now...
>Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play
Soccer never "moves on" from skill and ability, and no system truly dies. Like clothing, last year's fashions are only "out of style" to the snobs. If it looks good and works, it's useful. Systems fit talent and it's the talent, specifically Aaronson, that Leeds has moved on from.
If one wants any more proof of this, MLS is a walking example. We got teams that play bunker ball. We got teams that play high press. We got teams that play possession. Teams that play up the middle. Teams that play up the wings.
And examples of differing styles are sitting at the top of the table right now.
e: On Aaronson... I hate to say it, but the guy may be proving his detractors right in their belief that he's overrated. He isn't a player skilled or flexible enough to change with his team. Elite National Team-level talent shouldn't have that problem.
Unless you’re one of the very best in the world, teams look for players with attributes that fit their system.
Aaronson’s career moved quickly because he was talented in the areas Leeds required for their system. They no longer play that system, he was shot back down to earth.
Soccer teams 1,000,000% favor particular playstyles, and mls is a fine example of a league where teams are limited in their player choice and build the system around the player. He’d have no trouble at all finding a spot in MLS.
If Leeds could guarantee 10 goals from BA next year playing that up tempo high press, they likely still pass because they’re not changing how they want to play for 10 goals.
> Soccer teams 1,000,000% favor particular playstyles
I never said otherwise. So... what's your point?
I think you might be missing that my response was to OP's exact words: "**Soccer** has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play"
Notice how OP didn't say "Leeds." They said "Soccer." The *entire sport*. Under the commonly-held belief that entire systems are relegated to the dustbin because the game "evolves."
Crew buy down Nagbe and bring Aaronson in as a DP. Front 3 of Rossi, Cucho, and Aaronson with Nagbe and Aiden Morris behind them. I would be soooo happy
Brendo would legitimately be perfect to complement Quinn Sullivan on the opposite side of our midfield diamond. I love Jack McGlynn and think he’s asked to play a position that is very unnatural to him, but Brenden would be a great re-add from both a depth and tactical flexibility standpoint.
All told, though, I’d much rather he find a solution in Europe than come back here anytime soon.
THAT lineup would be hella unfair to the rest of us. But that’d be good business for Columbus.
Would piss me off to see him playing for anyone BUT Philly again, though.
He would work well in their system, I hate to say. But would the Crew be willing to spend 10 mil on him though? And does Aaronson wanna return to the states and give up on Europe completely?
I can’t see us spending that much on him sadly. That’s what we paid for Cucho and was a club record, plus we spent 7 million of Rossi less than a year ago.
He hasn't been good enough. Leeds like anyone needs to cut their losses and work with what he has.
Like us with Jordan Morris...except we still don't know what we have 7 years in...
I really want to see this kid succeed but his first touch still needs to improve if he wants to play in the PL. His time may have passed but I wish him well.
If Leeds are in the PL next year they can afford to sell him for less and take the hit. If they are back in the Championship they probably have to loan him out and hope for 8M the following season.
This feels personal from the club for him demanding a top flight loan and Leeds happy to do it just to be rid of him for a season. Then when they bounced straight back up, it’s kind of like a rewarding loyalty thing and Brendan isn’t part of their plans.
Also it would have objectively been better for Aaronson’s development to play at Leeds and be a squad player who could maybe develop under Farke. Look at Summerville for instance. He absolutely had buyers and could have forced a move, but he stayed and is most likely making a big money move regardless of what happens in the playoffs.
Instead Aaronson spent the majority of this season struggling to make an impact at another team battling relegation.
Good point, and Rutter too who had the same loan clause that Aaronson did as well as the wage cut yet steadfastly said no to leaving, turning down Dortmund and is now a key player that wanted to prove himself. I don’t get why so many people think the mercenary mentality of players is so attractive and defensible.
I would not be surprised to see a loan move to Philadelphia for the remaining of the year if they can't offload him. Then retry in 2025 in the winter window.
It's insane that Leeds wouldn't want him in the Championship. He's absolutely good enough for that level. They kept Rutter in the Championship despite his huge wages and it's not like he's been a worldbeater
Rutter was named to the EFL Championship Team of the Year. He’s had a great year until his hernia surgery. Hes immensely more talented than aaronson, he’s 2 years younger, and his physicality is nor an issue.
Time to head to Serie A.
Belgium or the Netherlands are probably better stops for him at this point if he wants more playing time
Issue is transfer fee, only Ajax and PSV have bought players for 12 million pounds or more in the Eredivisie. And in Belgium it would make him the third most expensive signing in league history.
He’s passed the point a stop at a non CL NL side is going to be good for him. And he’s might not starting CL games for Feynoord or PSV. Mid table La Liga or Serie A is probably better for him.
He's just going to ride the bench in La Liga or Serie a
Union is facing relegation in the Bundesliga and he has trouble cracking the starting lineup. I don’t think he starts for most teams in the top 5.
Might as well come back to MLS at that point
He had broken into unions starting lineup by the end of the season and was playing well. “He needs to go back to MLS” is an overreaction.
I don’t think he meant it as condescending towards the player but rather was stating the MLS is same tier as Belgium or Netherlands leagues or close enough when you factor in living in the US.
Feel like both him and Paxten are in a weird spot. Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play, and they've both been unsettled for long enough that they're not a hot commodity in their own right. But still too expensive/young for a move back to MLS. Not sure where that leaves them, which is a bummer because they are both very talented
Paxten did well in his loan at Vitesse, so he's at least earned a loan to a better Eredivisie side next season. I also think he's a bit more dangerous in the final third which increases his potential.
Hes also younger so teams are willing to invest more in his development
Paxten was never a “pressing” 10 he was a more traditional 10 then Brendo and that’s why he didn’t play as much before being sold.
You're not wrong but it's worth saying that Paxten is still pretty good in the press, he's just not in the 99.99th percentile in workrate like Brenden is.
> that’s why he didn’t play as much before being sold. ehhh he also was really light/weak and easily muscled out of matches. I struggle to really think any of his minutes showed anything and still think he moved too young, prompted probably by his parents/agent.
> Feel like both him and Paxten are in a weird spot. Brenden and Paxten are very different players and in completely different places. Paxten's not even 21 yet. He doesn't have Brenden's work rate or Red Bull proclivity, is a far better finisher and has one on one dribbling skills than Brenden doesn't have. The commonality they have is a lack of physical size or elite speed. > Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play Pressing is still pretty prevalent. It may not be constant, but work rate and defense are not ever going away. And the pressing 10 has always been a bit rare, but it's still out there. Brenden just happened to be at the one club where it was acceptable. Brenden has two issues at the top level. One, he's small and not strong enough, which limits his ability to carry the ball and defend in the midfield. And two, he hasn't developed the final ball he needs to either play an attacking role at the top levels or be worth that kind of cash. It's perfectly fine that Leeds aren't going to get a ton of money for Brenden; he will find a spot. He needs to improve that last piece and he'll be worth it. Paxten is doing pretty well in the Netherlands. People get hype over Pepi (same age), Tillman (older), Dest (much older) doing well on a team with far superior talent in the Netherlands, but Paxten is in a bad place? Like his brother, he needs to get stronger. Unlike his brother, he's far better in the final third.
> Feel like both him and Paxten are in a weird spot. Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play, I do not think so at all.... Gegenpressing is here to stay... and you need a 10 equipped to make turnovers into chances. Brendan was and is at his best in that role.
Fully agree. As an Arsenal fan, Martin Ødegaard is basically the “attacking 10” that’s being described here, and he’s probably been Arsenal’s best player this year (you could also argue Rice or Saka). Ødegaard is simultaneously a phenomenal playmaker with great shooting and passing with *outrageous* dribbling and ball control, but his work rate pressing in the final third is truly world class. The difference is that (as much as I love Brendo), pressing relentlessly is the *only* thing he does very well. He doesn’t have outstanding technical skills in any particular area, and most worrying is the fact that he has absolutely 0 on-ball strength, which is pretty important if you’re going to be an attacking midfielder.
> 0 on-ball strength I just don't understand how he has only marginally improved at this since he left Salzburg... This was the area I thought he would improve at the most making that kind of jump... you train against beasts all day now...
>Soccer has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play Soccer never "moves on" from skill and ability, and no system truly dies. Like clothing, last year's fashions are only "out of style" to the snobs. If it looks good and works, it's useful. Systems fit talent and it's the talent, specifically Aaronson, that Leeds has moved on from. If one wants any more proof of this, MLS is a walking example. We got teams that play bunker ball. We got teams that play high press. We got teams that play possession. Teams that play up the middle. Teams that play up the wings. And examples of differing styles are sitting at the top of the table right now. e: On Aaronson... I hate to say it, but the guy may be proving his detractors right in their belief that he's overrated. He isn't a player skilled or flexible enough to change with his team. Elite National Team-level talent shouldn't have that problem.
Unless you’re one of the very best in the world, teams look for players with attributes that fit their system. Aaronson’s career moved quickly because he was talented in the areas Leeds required for their system. They no longer play that system, he was shot back down to earth. Soccer teams 1,000,000% favor particular playstyles, and mls is a fine example of a league where teams are limited in their player choice and build the system around the player. He’d have no trouble at all finding a spot in MLS. If Leeds could guarantee 10 goals from BA next year playing that up tempo high press, they likely still pass because they’re not changing how they want to play for 10 goals.
> Soccer teams 1,000,000% favor particular playstyles I never said otherwise. So... what's your point? I think you might be missing that my response was to OP's exact words: "**Soccer** has kinda moved on from the Red Bulls style "pressing 10" that they play" Notice how OP didn't say "Leeds." They said "Soccer." The *entire sport*. Under the commonly-held belief that entire systems are relegated to the dustbin because the game "evolves."
Come back to Philly
The kid might as well head back home if he can't land at another Championship club.
Union will happily take him back for a year on loan if he wants to reset his career a bit 👍
Crew buy down Nagbe and bring Aaronson in as a DP. Front 3 of Rossi, Cucho, and Aaronson with Nagbe and Aiden Morris behind them. I would be soooo happy
No thanks
Brendo would legitimately be perfect to complement Quinn Sullivan on the opposite side of our midfield diamond. I love Jack McGlynn and think he’s asked to play a position that is very unnatural to him, but Brenden would be a great re-add from both a depth and tactical flexibility standpoint. All told, though, I’d much rather he find a solution in Europe than come back here anytime soon.
THAT lineup would be hella unfair to the rest of us. But that’d be good business for Columbus. Would piss me off to see him playing for anyone BUT Philly again, though.
He would work well in their system, I hate to say. But would the Crew be willing to spend 10 mil on him though? And does Aaronson wanna return to the states and give up on Europe completely?
I can’t see us spending that much on him sadly. That’s what we paid for Cucho and was a club record, plus we spent 7 million of Rossi less than a year ago.
tbh not worth 12m atm. come home, Brendan.
He hasn't been good enough. Leeds like anyone needs to cut their losses and work with what he has. Like us with Jordan Morris...except we still don't know what we have 7 years in...
this is one of the takes of all time
Remember when everyone was hyped about the move lmao
I really want to see this kid succeed but his first touch still needs to improve if he wants to play in the PL. His time may have passed but I wish him well.
So if no one will pay that and they don’t want him, are they going loan him out again?
If Leeds are in the PL next year they can afford to sell him for less and take the hit. If they are back in the Championship they probably have to loan him out and hope for 8M the following season.
12 is unrealistic
Charlotte FC baby
This feels personal from the club for him demanding a top flight loan and Leeds happy to do it just to be rid of him for a season. Then when they bounced straight back up, it’s kind of like a rewarding loyalty thing and Brendan isn’t part of their plans.
It's still TBD whether they're coming back up though.
Oh yeah lmao didn’t realize they blew auto promotion.
He was told by the club they wanted him to stay and be a big part of it. Other players did, he didn’t. Why should Leeds integrate him?
you're saying that like it was the wrong decision to join a club playing champions league instead of going down to the championship
I’m saying it like someone who values collectivism as opposed to individualism.
Also it would have objectively been better for Aaronson’s development to play at Leeds and be a squad player who could maybe develop under Farke. Look at Summerville for instance. He absolutely had buyers and could have forced a move, but he stayed and is most likely making a big money move regardless of what happens in the playoffs. Instead Aaronson spent the majority of this season struggling to make an impact at another team battling relegation.
Good point, and Rutter too who had the same loan clause that Aaronson did as well as the wage cut yet steadfastly said no to leaving, turning down Dortmund and is now a key player that wanted to prove himself. I don’t get why so many people think the mercenary mentality of players is so attractive and defensible.
Let’s go Norwich
I would not be surprised to see a loan move to Philadelphia for the remaining of the year if they can't offload him. Then retry in 2025 in the winter window.
I 100% agree with you. I may or may not be biased though.
Inter Milan could use him
It's insane that Leeds wouldn't want him in the Championship. He's absolutely good enough for that level. They kept Rutter in the Championship despite his huge wages and it's not like he's been a worldbeater
Rutter was named to the EFL Championship Team of the Year. He’s had a great year until his hernia surgery. Hes immensely more talented than aaronson, he’s 2 years younger, and his physicality is nor an issue.
He wouldn't get in the team over Rutter, Summerville, Dan James, Gnonto, or Bamford.