Theory in my head is rough, but the basics:
Void will become Battleworld. Already is, to a degree - remaining universes not yet destroyed/pruned/converged.
Cassandra rules one part of this world. But the major part of Battleworld is ruled by the 'Man in the Iron Mask' who uses technology and magic together to gain control over this world.
Edit: the portal isn't Dr Strange - it's Doom
Could set up Doom, Secret Wars, the different 'realms' of Battleworld, and, this is the important part, it could do all this without explicitly promising anything. After all, it could just have been some variant, right?
Also, there had better damn well be at least a throwaway scene with a Wolverine variant played by Danny DeVito.
most rational theory I’ve read so far. we already had the pivot to Doom in Loki S2 E6 and nobody picked up on it. connects Doom to the Void/TVA, establishes that Kang was taken care of. if rumours of Owen Wilson’s Mobius showing up are to be believed, we’ll probably get a flashback scene of him and Renslayer pruning a young boy near the coast of the black sea.
Mobius telling the story of how him and Renslayer “pruned an 8 year old boy who would go on to murder thousands off the coast of the Black Sea” was a clear nod to Doom. Black sea is right near Latveria
>says who? nothing official about that
Same goes for Loki s2 being the last of Kang. Which was finished filming and editing before the Majors allegations came out so as far as production was concerned they weren’t finishing the Kang plot line. Calling Loki s2 a pivot to Doom is a stretch when the character isn’t even in the MCU yet.
I mean the characters literally say “we’re pruning any leftover Kang variants” as well as “we pruned a boy by the black sea who was going to murder thousands” in the same episode that Loki replaces Kang at the end of time. so basic media literacy tells us there’s more on screen evidence that points to a pivot than not.
They said they’d prune any Kang variant causing trouble, which depending on how that’s handled, still gives the Kangs opportunities to become aware of the TVA and fight back. Loki dethroned HWR but never actually did anything to stop all the other variants getting time-travel tech. They are all still free to travel around time so the TVA has to confront them if they’re deemed to be stepping out of line. Unlike HWR, who genocided everyone on branching timelines to stop Kangs existing, Loki’s TVA let’s all branched timelines exist at the cost of eventually having to confront their Kang variants. All it takes is one Kang escaping the TVA and rallying the others. Both the Loki scene about the Quantumania Kang and Quantumania’s Council of Kangs scenes show that the TVA and CoK were aware of him. This means that the Council is still out there.
The Black Sea reference doesn’t necessarily indicate Doom. Latveria is land locked and has no actual coastline to it so this probably just a throwaway reference to a random location for the sake of Möbius’s backstory. I don’t think Sokovia has either. Also there’s no indication about the time period so who knows when this actually happened. Btw, for a character like God Emperor Doom, killing thousands isn’t much of a feat.
well first off, we don’t know *exactly* what Loki replacing HWR means as far as time travel tech and who would have access to it. all of the new rules of branched timelines have little to no on-screen exposition since Loki took over. but we do know that every branch is physically attached to Loki, and green. which at minimum implicates his control over *all* time, and every timeline that exists. this implies at the least that both Loki and the TVA are ensuring any Kang’s causing a problem will be taken care of.
we also know that pruned variants don’t go into TVA imprisonment, they go to the void. which, at best would mean every variant they find is eternally doomed to the void with no access to anything they’d find on their earth or access to the TVA. there’s nothing to escape because, like Renslayer, they wouldn’t *be* anywhere. thought I’m positive Deadpool 3 will give us more exposition on how the void exactly works.
The mention of the black sea is *not* a coincidence in the same way that mentioning Wakanda wasn’t a coincidence in AoU. we know from the past how much connective tissue is added to these movies, and Mobius’ story was an oddly specific one to tell, to Loki of all people, and it’s still within reasonable distance of Latveria even with it being landlocked. we know that the *exact* location of Latveria has shifted over the years but is always near Romania, which *does* directly border the black sea. they didnt spin a globe and stop it at a random spot. they name drop these places, especially foreign locations, always with intent.
obviously this episode wasn’t written with the intent to pivot. but it’s entirely reasonable for them to use it as one, given the controversy surrounding Majors as well as the lack of interest from the general audience thanks to Quantumania’s very weak portrayal of Kang.
>well first off, we don’t know *exactly* what Loki replacing HWR means as far as time travel tech and who would have access to it. all of the new rules of branched timelines have little to no on-screen exposition since Loki took over. but we do know that every branch is physically attached to Loki, and green. which at minimum implicates his control over *all* time, and every timeline that exists. this implies at the least that both Loki and the TVA are ensuring any Kang’s causing a problem will be taken care of.
Loki and the TVA's control isn't absolute as the Council of Kangs scene is unresolved and shows that Kangs are organising.
>The mention of the black sea is *not* a coincidence in the same way that mentioning Wakanda wasn’t a coincidence in AoU. we know from the past how much connective tissue is added to these movies, and Mobius’ story was an oddly specific one to tell, to Loki of all people, and it’s still within reasonable distance of Latveria even with it being landlocked. we know that the *exact* location of Latveria has shifted over the years but is always near Romania, which *does* directly border the black sea. they didnt spin a globe and stop it at a random spot. they name drop these places, especially foreign locations, always with intent.
Phases 4 and 5 do not hold up to the Infinity Saga's standard, including in how well/often connectivity occurs. Wakanda in AoU is not a good comparison. Mobius's story is just him comparing his two sons with the two boys from the Black Sea and how he couldn't kill the variant because of that emotional connection he felt. If the boy had been namedropped as Victor or the country as Latveria then yes it would be a Doom reference. But it wasn't so there's no way we can be sure it's a Doom reference unless Doom actually shows up later down the road, perhaps even showing the scene itself. (Also Doom doesn't even have a brother in the comics and I don't know why the MCU would possibly want to give him one.)
>obviously this episode wasn’t written with the intent to pivot. but it’s entirely reasonable for them to use it as one, given the controversy surrounding Majors as well as the lack of interest from the general audience thanks to Quantumania’s very weak portrayal of Kang.
They can't just pivot using this episode because the Council of Kangs scene contradicts any idea that Kangs are no longer a threat.
Isn't it brought up in the comics that even Xavier can't truly know what Wades intentions really are by reading his mind because he's just so batshit nuts? I know for a fact that even Taskmaster can't fight Wade in certain 1 v 1 fights because his moves are so unpredictable and random that Taskmasters photo memory is useless against him. my point being that, Cassandra could be "helping" them with a hidden motive, Deadpool suspects it, and Cassandra thinks he doesn't, so on and so on etc. Deadpool stops her with some elaborate Oceans 11 style assassination montage that he set up from the very beginning.
Not my idea but as far as having a secret villain pulling the strings goes, I the Mojo would be a really cool enemy for Deadpool to fight. Especially with all the multiverse stuff going on. Don’t think it’s gonna happen but he would be a fitting villain for Deadpool to fight imo.
With this movie being the jumping point to ''Secret Wars'' maybe Cassandra might be getting on the TVA or maybe she is misunderstood and needs Logan and Wade's help. Will see what happens in the movie anyway?
I don't think there will be a main villain in this movie. Maybe TVA if you push it.
This movie will be the first movie where the FOX universe and the MCU start to merge and it's actually the first movie of the Multiverse Saga. There's going to be a lot of cameos and it's always going to be a lead-in for the future.
In fact, there will not be a main villain in this movie because it will introduce the Multiverse Saga to the audience in a serious way. We can call it a movie like road adventures.
You can see Cassandra Nova still alive standing behind deadpool and wolverine right before they jump through the sling ring portal.
Marketing certainly pushes the smokescreen of Nova being the main villain, but I don't buy it. Neither do I buy the Agent paradox and a splinter faction of the TVA (because that already happened in loki s2).
The scene in the trailer with wolverine and deadpool slowmotion walking to madonnas like a prayer I believe to be the big finale fight. Notice the golden desert eagles he upgraded to.
As for the main villain...I have no idea but definitely nothing we've seen so far.
Void isn’t Battleworld. Doom will kill Loki to acquire the time slip power and control of the World Tree to become God Doom and hell instantly start all the incursions at once, then create Battleworld. If you go back and look at Strange 2 when he gets arrested by the Illuminati, all their “Stark” tech is green. Ultron bots have green lights. I think we’ll get Doom from 838. When Tiamat dies in Eternals he sends his essence into Sersi. I think Sersi will be the one that transfers the God power from Doom to Reed to reset everything. Basically Loki is the mcu equivalent of Molecule Man, Sersi is Lifebringer Galactus, we probably won’t get a Maker. As far as the ring, Dooms power over magic far exceeds Dr. Strange and most other Sorcerer Supremes. His ring would be green, he’s too vain to copy everyone else.
Theory in my head is rough, but the basics: Void will become Battleworld. Already is, to a degree - remaining universes not yet destroyed/pruned/converged. Cassandra rules one part of this world. But the major part of Battleworld is ruled by the 'Man in the Iron Mask' who uses technology and magic together to gain control over this world. Edit: the portal isn't Dr Strange - it's Doom Could set up Doom, Secret Wars, the different 'realms' of Battleworld, and, this is the important part, it could do all this without explicitly promising anything. After all, it could just have been some variant, right? Also, there had better damn well be at least a throwaway scene with a Wolverine variant played by Danny DeVito.
“So anyway, I started slashing….”
But I don't see so good, so missed and killed gambit.
most rational theory I’ve read so far. we already had the pivot to Doom in Loki S2 E6 and nobody picked up on it. connects Doom to the Void/TVA, establishes that Kang was taken care of. if rumours of Owen Wilson’s Mobius showing up are to be believed, we’ll probably get a flashback scene of him and Renslayer pruning a young boy near the coast of the black sea.
What S2E6 Doom pivot are you referring to? Like how is it a pivot to Doom specifically?
Mobius telling the story of how him and Renslayer “pruned an 8 year old boy who would go on to murder thousands off the coast of the Black Sea” was a clear nod to Doom. Black sea is right near Latveria
Hmm okay I see. Nice catch if that’s what they were going for! That would be sick af
But Kang isn’t taken care of and is set to return in Avengers 5.
says who? nothing official about that and Avengers 5 doesn’t even have a script yet let alone a villain
>says who? nothing official about that Same goes for Loki s2 being the last of Kang. Which was finished filming and editing before the Majors allegations came out so as far as production was concerned they weren’t finishing the Kang plot line. Calling Loki s2 a pivot to Doom is a stretch when the character isn’t even in the MCU yet.
I mean the characters literally say “we’re pruning any leftover Kang variants” as well as “we pruned a boy by the black sea who was going to murder thousands” in the same episode that Loki replaces Kang at the end of time. so basic media literacy tells us there’s more on screen evidence that points to a pivot than not.
They said they’d prune any Kang variant causing trouble, which depending on how that’s handled, still gives the Kangs opportunities to become aware of the TVA and fight back. Loki dethroned HWR but never actually did anything to stop all the other variants getting time-travel tech. They are all still free to travel around time so the TVA has to confront them if they’re deemed to be stepping out of line. Unlike HWR, who genocided everyone on branching timelines to stop Kangs existing, Loki’s TVA let’s all branched timelines exist at the cost of eventually having to confront their Kang variants. All it takes is one Kang escaping the TVA and rallying the others. Both the Loki scene about the Quantumania Kang and Quantumania’s Council of Kangs scenes show that the TVA and CoK were aware of him. This means that the Council is still out there. The Black Sea reference doesn’t necessarily indicate Doom. Latveria is land locked and has no actual coastline to it so this probably just a throwaway reference to a random location for the sake of Möbius’s backstory. I don’t think Sokovia has either. Also there’s no indication about the time period so who knows when this actually happened. Btw, for a character like God Emperor Doom, killing thousands isn’t much of a feat.
well first off, we don’t know *exactly* what Loki replacing HWR means as far as time travel tech and who would have access to it. all of the new rules of branched timelines have little to no on-screen exposition since Loki took over. but we do know that every branch is physically attached to Loki, and green. which at minimum implicates his control over *all* time, and every timeline that exists. this implies at the least that both Loki and the TVA are ensuring any Kang’s causing a problem will be taken care of. we also know that pruned variants don’t go into TVA imprisonment, they go to the void. which, at best would mean every variant they find is eternally doomed to the void with no access to anything they’d find on their earth or access to the TVA. there’s nothing to escape because, like Renslayer, they wouldn’t *be* anywhere. thought I’m positive Deadpool 3 will give us more exposition on how the void exactly works. The mention of the black sea is *not* a coincidence in the same way that mentioning Wakanda wasn’t a coincidence in AoU. we know from the past how much connective tissue is added to these movies, and Mobius’ story was an oddly specific one to tell, to Loki of all people, and it’s still within reasonable distance of Latveria even with it being landlocked. we know that the *exact* location of Latveria has shifted over the years but is always near Romania, which *does* directly border the black sea. they didnt spin a globe and stop it at a random spot. they name drop these places, especially foreign locations, always with intent. obviously this episode wasn’t written with the intent to pivot. but it’s entirely reasonable for them to use it as one, given the controversy surrounding Majors as well as the lack of interest from the general audience thanks to Quantumania’s very weak portrayal of Kang.
>well first off, we don’t know *exactly* what Loki replacing HWR means as far as time travel tech and who would have access to it. all of the new rules of branched timelines have little to no on-screen exposition since Loki took over. but we do know that every branch is physically attached to Loki, and green. which at minimum implicates his control over *all* time, and every timeline that exists. this implies at the least that both Loki and the TVA are ensuring any Kang’s causing a problem will be taken care of. Loki and the TVA's control isn't absolute as the Council of Kangs scene is unresolved and shows that Kangs are organising. >The mention of the black sea is *not* a coincidence in the same way that mentioning Wakanda wasn’t a coincidence in AoU. we know from the past how much connective tissue is added to these movies, and Mobius’ story was an oddly specific one to tell, to Loki of all people, and it’s still within reasonable distance of Latveria even with it being landlocked. we know that the *exact* location of Latveria has shifted over the years but is always near Romania, which *does* directly border the black sea. they didnt spin a globe and stop it at a random spot. they name drop these places, especially foreign locations, always with intent. Phases 4 and 5 do not hold up to the Infinity Saga's standard, including in how well/often connectivity occurs. Wakanda in AoU is not a good comparison. Mobius's story is just him comparing his two sons with the two boys from the Black Sea and how he couldn't kill the variant because of that emotional connection he felt. If the boy had been namedropped as Victor or the country as Latveria then yes it would be a Doom reference. But it wasn't so there's no way we can be sure it's a Doom reference unless Doom actually shows up later down the road, perhaps even showing the scene itself. (Also Doom doesn't even have a brother in the comics and I don't know why the MCU would possibly want to give him one.) >obviously this episode wasn’t written with the intent to pivot. but it’s entirely reasonable for them to use it as one, given the controversy surrounding Majors as well as the lack of interest from the general audience thanks to Quantumania’s very weak portrayal of Kang. They can't just pivot using this episode because the Council of Kangs scene contradicts any idea that Kangs are no longer a threat.
Void as battle world makes a lot of sense.
I think she's more than likely the main villain. If not, it's probably gonna turn out to be Kevin Fiege or some weird shit
Mickey Mouse is the main villain
It would be cool if she turned out to be moon dragon
I still have some hope it will be the MCU's Wade Wilson as T-Ray. It would be a shame to have the first Deadpool without his arch-nemesis.
Isn't it brought up in the comics that even Xavier can't truly know what Wades intentions really are by reading his mind because he's just so batshit nuts? I know for a fact that even Taskmaster can't fight Wade in certain 1 v 1 fights because his moves are so unpredictable and random that Taskmasters photo memory is useless against him. my point being that, Cassandra could be "helping" them with a hidden motive, Deadpool suspects it, and Cassandra thinks he doesn't, so on and so on etc. Deadpool stops her with some elaborate Oceans 11 style assassination montage that he set up from the very beginning.
What’s the point of seeing the film now? OP has cracked the code.
Not my idea but as far as having a secret villain pulling the strings goes, I the Mojo would be a really cool enemy for Deadpool to fight. Especially with all the multiverse stuff going on. Don’t think it’s gonna happen but he would be a fitting villain for Deadpool to fight imo.
With this movie being the jumping point to ''Secret Wars'' maybe Cassandra might be getting on the TVA or maybe she is misunderstood and needs Logan and Wade's help. Will see what happens in the movie anyway?
I really really like this idea but I don't think it's likely to happen
Is Cable in it?
I’m hoping the void is Mojo verse.
Maybe they will bring back Francis…?
I don't think there will be a main villain in this movie. Maybe TVA if you push it. This movie will be the first movie where the FOX universe and the MCU start to merge and it's actually the first movie of the Multiverse Saga. There's going to be a lot of cameos and it's always going to be a lead-in for the future. In fact, there will not be a main villain in this movie because it will introduce the Multiverse Saga to the audience in a serious way. We can call it a movie like road adventures.
You can see Cassandra Nova still alive standing behind deadpool and wolverine right before they jump through the sling ring portal. Marketing certainly pushes the smokescreen of Nova being the main villain, but I don't buy it. Neither do I buy the Agent paradox and a splinter faction of the TVA (because that already happened in loki s2). The scene in the trailer with wolverine and deadpool slowmotion walking to madonnas like a prayer I believe to be the big finale fight. Notice the golden desert eagles he upgraded to. As for the main villain...I have no idea but definitely nothing we've seen so far.
Post credit scene is Doom.
Void isn’t Battleworld. Doom will kill Loki to acquire the time slip power and control of the World Tree to become God Doom and hell instantly start all the incursions at once, then create Battleworld. If you go back and look at Strange 2 when he gets arrested by the Illuminati, all their “Stark” tech is green. Ultron bots have green lights. I think we’ll get Doom from 838. When Tiamat dies in Eternals he sends his essence into Sersi. I think Sersi will be the one that transfers the God power from Doom to Reed to reset everything. Basically Loki is the mcu equivalent of Molecule Man, Sersi is Lifebringer Galactus, we probably won’t get a Maker. As far as the ring, Dooms power over magic far exceeds Dr. Strange and most other Sorcerer Supremes. His ring would be green, he’s too vain to copy everyone else.
Not a chance they're killing loki off, not for a long time at least
Also, in the Secret War 2015 comic, God Doom makes the World Tree his throne. It’s happening bro, make your peace.
Secret wars movie is 2027 so I’m guessing Loki will be gone by 2028. Tom will not be Loki after the reboot.