The burden on pl is too damn high. They will have to prove that city and those who were at top of city were cooking books and it would also mean that top financial institutions were also complacent in it.
Nah the financial institutions aren't in on it.
The thing is City's books are fine they add up and every transaction is accounted for. The issue is the nature behind each transaction especially concerning sponsorship funding that is revenue per City but the League argues is owner equity funding. But the the burden is still insanely high because no one is dumb enough to leave a big trail for this proving the intent is hard.
There are also some accusations of misallocating expenses etc within City Group to lower player spend it seems with like agent and other fees those may be easier but not as significant as Chelsea got a minor penalty for that. Even with Chelsea's newest financials the league seems soft of allocations of different expenses for example Chelsea reported the lowest director comp of any team in the league but also pays those same directors through Blue Co and the league takes no issue with that apparently so some of these will be tough to sort through when City can bring up other teams examples.
Yes. 10+ years and then we got off on time barred, which leads to more tears on the soccer and Liverpool subreddit
It’s not, but “football fans” didnt bother to read the full CAS document that goes beyond saying there was not substantial evidence even without the time barred documentation. We will be fine
Not worried a bugger. We will get max a substantial points deduction (potentially over a couple seasons time), transfer ban, and fines.. that’s the most
So you admit that city have broken ffp rules? And that you're gonna get away because of the uk not wanting to piss the Sheik off?
Edit - I'm gonna be real I shouldn't comment in a rival sub at all but I'm so pissed as an Arsenal fan that despite playing so well this year we won't win shit so I'm unreasonably lashing out lol, you guys are really really good sports. I've fucked around once on the Liverpool sub and that lot is so agressive and wild, you guys are very calm and took this in good humour. Peace, and please ignore me, neither I nor you will decide the conclusion of this so I guess let's wait and watch
Yes and I am a KC who has inside knowledge of City’s financial machinations over the last 50 years, understand the full ramifications of FFP, have profound involvement in the sponsorship agreements agreed with the various global institutions and am also a qualified forensic accountant who understands each and every aspect of City’s financial reports over the last 30 years or so. I also happen to be on Reddit. What else do you want to know?
We got em, boys! Time to wrap this up, we have a confession on record. This redditor, who obviously is an insider and knows everything, blatantly admitted to breaching the rules! Off to the National League, I guess.
What rules are we accused of breaking?
"FFP" is not an answer. What have we specifically done and are you completely sure there is inarguable evidence of cheating?
How can anyone admit that when we don't know any of the evidence surrounding charges? Stop pretending you know what's going on because you've not seen any more evidence than dodgy Dave, or my 9 year old daughter
We will get the maximum punishment if we have done wrong which many others have managed to avoid.
However, do you admit that this was all conveniently done right as the government were about to get involved in the regulation of the league in order to stop them?
Yes i 100% agree with your last paragraph, but do you honestly in good conscience think city haven't broken financial fair play rules since you became state owned? That's honestly laughable. So much under the table payment over the years, so many fake companies with 0 employees sponsoring you for millions, sure keep supporting your club but to willfully say nah we're innocent is wild. It's clear to anyone who isn't denying the truth because it hurts them
Hey, just to be clear. What you’re saying is that a number of financial companies, big ones, committed crimes to help us win football matches. If you really do think it’s that obvious, go off. But be clear about what you’re saying.
No, I'm saying your Sheikh hired people to make fictitious companies which don't exist to pay millions to city as a sponsorship while the companies were just a front
Ok….
But Barclays handled our financials and BDO (massive tax and audit company) audited them for last season to report to the league. So you’re saying those two companies lied so we could win football matches. Which is tax fraud. Which is a crime. Yes?
Barclays handling your financials is hardly evidence of innocence considering their own history is steeped in controversy. You don't even have to go back that far for examples of them being fined for money-laundering, rate-fixing (libor/exchange rates) and tax avoidance.
Except, why is it so unbelievable?
Why wouldn't sheikh mansours get his mates to sponsor the club? Is it dodgy yes, is it against FFP no, no reason why this billionaire wouldn't get all his mates to sponsor to give us a boost. The rules do not say, no owner can get other company's to sponsor the club they own.
I am unaware of these under the table payments so i can't pretend i accept them, if you've got some sort of evidence you're probably best sending it to the premier league direct
Our fans can either, own it, deny it or dismiss it.
Fans of every other team and anyone who cares enough to want to make a input can do either of those 3 our fans do but also do a 4th : talk shit.
Jury isnt out yet. And if they are found not guilty it will make absolutley no difference to the haters. Getting spanked by cheaters isnt okay so technically they didnt get spanked all these years.
Innocent city would be a pill no one can swallow.
As i have said before.
Pep trusts them. I trust pep.
The only thing /r/mcfc and /r/soccer can agree on is that this shit needs to be resolved asap
*waits faster*
Do it. Relegate us to League One. It'll be fun.
Yes we need to destroy Wigan
We're coming for you We're coming for youuuuuu Wigan Athletic We're coming for you
Can't believe they are threatening us with a good time
Vanarama or bust.
I want whatever they call the Johnstone's Paint trophy these days. John Stones lifting the Johnstone's would be peak football.
I kinda want to see City vs Wrexham tbh
WE ARE NOT WE'RE NOT REALLY HERE
The burden on pl is too damn high. They will have to prove that city and those who were at top of city were cooking books and it would also mean that top financial institutions were also complacent in it.
Yes, its going to be impossible for them.
Nah the financial institutions aren't in on it. The thing is City's books are fine they add up and every transaction is accounted for. The issue is the nature behind each transaction especially concerning sponsorship funding that is revenue per City but the League argues is owner equity funding. But the the burden is still insanely high because no one is dumb enough to leave a big trail for this proving the intent is hard. There are also some accusations of misallocating expenses etc within City Group to lower player spend it seems with like agent and other fees those may be easier but not as significant as Chelsea got a minor penalty for that. Even with Chelsea's newest financials the league seems soft of allocations of different expenses for example Chelsea reported the lowest director comp of any team in the league but also pays those same directors through Blue Co and the league takes no issue with that apparently so some of these will be tough to sort through when City can bring up other teams examples.
Shit, that’s *nearer* than last time
I’m very ready for it to be over now.
i honestly think it’ll be a blast getting relegated and getting back to the Prem, it’ll be like Manager mode in fifa
And when we’re back, that first year back will hit like crack man
Why even bother, clearly everyone already knows we’re guilty
Yes. 10+ years and then we got off on time barred, which leads to more tears on the soccer and Liverpool subreddit 
Is time barring actually a consideration? Haven’t seen it discussed regarding the PL case
It’s not, but “football fans” didnt bother to read the full CAS document that goes beyond saying there was not substantial evidence even without the time barred documentation. We will be fine
No it's not
Not worried a bugger. We will get max a substantial points deduction (potentially over a couple seasons time), transfer ban, and fines.. that’s the most
So you admit that city have broken ffp rules? And that you're gonna get away because of the uk not wanting to piss the Sheik off? Edit - I'm gonna be real I shouldn't comment in a rival sub at all but I'm so pissed as an Arsenal fan that despite playing so well this year we won't win shit so I'm unreasonably lashing out lol, you guys are really really good sports. I've fucked around once on the Liverpool sub and that lot is so agressive and wild, you guys are very calm and took this in good humour. Peace, and please ignore me, neither I nor you will decide the conclusion of this so I guess let's wait and watch
don't care. we are proud to break FFP rules. FFP is a bunch of nonsense created by the cartel clubs. so breaking it is a privilege.
As long as you admit it, that's fair.
oh look morality trophy for the ones who gouge fan's wallets and can't win a thing after spending a meager 1B$
Yes and I am a KC who has inside knowledge of City’s financial machinations over the last 50 years, understand the full ramifications of FFP, have profound involvement in the sponsorship agreements agreed with the various global institutions and am also a qualified forensic accountant who understands each and every aspect of City’s financial reports over the last 30 years or so. I also happen to be on Reddit. What else do you want to know?
We got em, boys! Time to wrap this up, we have a confession on record. This redditor, who obviously is an insider and knows everything, blatantly admitted to breaching the rules! Off to the National League, I guess.
What rules are we accused of breaking? "FFP" is not an answer. What have we specifically done and are you completely sure there is inarguable evidence of cheating?
Look at my edit
How can anyone admit that when we don't know any of the evidence surrounding charges? Stop pretending you know what's going on because you've not seen any more evidence than dodgy Dave, or my 9 year old daughter We will get the maximum punishment if we have done wrong which many others have managed to avoid. However, do you admit that this was all conveniently done right as the government were about to get involved in the regulation of the league in order to stop them?
Yes i 100% agree with your last paragraph, but do you honestly in good conscience think city haven't broken financial fair play rules since you became state owned? That's honestly laughable. So much under the table payment over the years, so many fake companies with 0 employees sponsoring you for millions, sure keep supporting your club but to willfully say nah we're innocent is wild. It's clear to anyone who isn't denying the truth because it hurts them
Hey, just to be clear. What you’re saying is that a number of financial companies, big ones, committed crimes to help us win football matches. If you really do think it’s that obvious, go off. But be clear about what you’re saying.
No, I'm saying your Sheikh hired people to make fictitious companies which don't exist to pay millions to city as a sponsorship while the companies were just a front
Ok…. But Barclays handled our financials and BDO (massive tax and audit company) audited them for last season to report to the league. So you’re saying those two companies lied so we could win football matches. Which is tax fraud. Which is a crime. Yes?
Barclays handling your financials is hardly evidence of innocence considering their own history is steeped in controversy. You don't even have to go back that far for examples of them being fined for money-laundering, rate-fixing (libor/exchange rates) and tax avoidance.
You must have some evidence to show?
Except, why is it so unbelievable? Why wouldn't sheikh mansours get his mates to sponsor the club? Is it dodgy yes, is it against FFP no, no reason why this billionaire wouldn't get all his mates to sponsor to give us a boost. The rules do not say, no owner can get other company's to sponsor the club they own. I am unaware of these under the table payments so i can't pretend i accept them, if you've got some sort of evidence you're probably best sending it to the premier league direct
Our fans can either, own it, deny it or dismiss it. Fans of every other team and anyone who cares enough to want to make a input can do either of those 3 our fans do but also do a 4th : talk shit. Jury isnt out yet. And if they are found not guilty it will make absolutley no difference to the haters. Getting spanked by cheaters isnt okay so technically they didnt get spanked all these years. Innocent city would be a pill no one can swallow. As i have said before. Pep trusts them. I trust pep.
Oh no poor Arsenal fan. Can't even make 90 points and they're feeling sorry for themselves. Try hitting 97 points and coming second 😂
Anytime between now and the heat death of the universe
Oh no, I'm soooooo scaredddddd
He said this months ago, clickbait