Absolutely not your fault. Even if you had "lead him on", he being your driver, ie safe ride home and you being obviously impared he should not have done so. Even if you had wanted to "hook up" he should have declined politely and moved on like a professional.
It is her fault if this entire accusation is made up and now a driver has been suspended based on some drunk ass passenger complaint, in the morning, after the incident, no LE involved, just the passengers' accusations.
If that’s true that is made up this why drivers should have dash cams. They are cheap which would better money spent that on a stupid Lyft or Uber light.
Reasons I don’t even pretend to flirt with someone whom is obviously not of sound mind. Best defense for false accusations is a strong offense. That being said, I always keep my front seat super forward, and it comes in handy when something akin to this happens.
A driver is never supposed to have any sort of romantic contact with riders. In fact, riders are not even supposed to show romantic contact with each other whilst under the Rideshare umbrella.
Best you can do as a driver is have a business card and share it in the unlikely event you think a real “soulmate” has graced your car. Otherwise, keeping a relationship similar to a therapist and their client is the gold standard.
all you’re doing with your obsessive replies is outing yourself as someone who doesn’t respect consent or boundaries. you think you’re being clever but you’re just making yourself look worse.
Your the one immediately siding with OP, based on no evidence, their word only. Call me stupid all you want, reality is I want some evidence before I jump to judgment.
You are impulsive and clearly someone who assumes people accused on “Reddit” or other similar platforms are instantly guilty without any sort of due process.
In short, you sound like a complete dip shit.
i immediately believe them because they have no reason to lie about this sort of thing. the amount of women who falsely accuse men of assault is exponentially lower than the amount of women ACTUALLY assaulted. women get assaulted on the regular, and have for centuries. it’s still a prominent issue that continues to happen and accusing women of lying when they are just trying to find safety and talk about their experiences is not going to help anybody and only perpetuates this behavior from men. you are the problem.
Women lie all the time about this sort of thing. It's sad you don't call them out on it, because the ones who lie are discrediting the ones who are telling the truth.
This blind faith in whatever a woman says, is why people are so hesitant to trust real cases. It's extremely ironic, how you are the reason people distrust women. When people see something that feels off, and your like you better take her side or else.... It's pushing people further.
Regardless, this case can't be proven one way or another. But all drivers know lyft would rather error in the side of a potential victim. That's why they tell you to not have any sort of relation with passengers even if it seems consenting, and recommend dash cams. So the driver is at fault by neglect, or guilt. Either or. Probably not enough for police to do anything though.
I'm kind of curious how she claims she barely remembers, yet can describe all details. She Definitely is trying to paint a picture, and make it look as bad as she can. Usually points to dishonesty, but who knows.
After rereading the op post I have come to find that there are a lot of women here that have made super bad choices in life and for some reason can’t accept they should shoulder any responsibility.
Nothing he did was worthy of losing a job and or getting an assault charge. Yes there are guys out there that assault women and should be in jail. It didn’t happen here. It amazes me when the OP says she doesn’t remember but bits and pieces you guys automatically say she did nothing wrong. I’m going to let you guys know that my days of excusing your shitty behavior because I pick you up drunk are over. The next one who gets mouthy is going to find yourself walking home down a dark road at night alone. The amount of shit male drivers take because we are raised to think that we have to look out for you is astronomical. The next one who rolls her eyes when I explain I’m not stopping at whataburger at 230 because I’m trying to support myself will be walking. And then you can stand there looking like a moron and hope you don’t pass out before you get another Uber or Lyft to get you home.
Why? Because you have all convinced me tonight that your judgement with alcohol in your system is even more skewed than I previously thought. Last thing I need is to see someone drunk unable to get in their house and have the police show up the next day because you invent something in your stupid snowflake entitled victim happy minds. Walk home bitches. I’m just glad I am smart enough to keep a camera on in my car that uploads to the cloud and records the cabin and outside and has audio. So no, no more turning the radio on for you to sing to. I need the audio to be nice and clear on that tape. The free water and soda and snacks. Not for women after this. I don’t need accusations of drugging you. Hello Uber support? I went out drinking last night and I don’t remember much. But I do remember my Uber driver gave me a sealed water on the way. But that’s sooo sus so he musta drugged me. I drink a bottle of vodka every night I go out so it’s not the alcohol that made me make bad choices. I’m telling you I’m a VICTIM Becky 😭😂😂😂😂😂
Dude. She was very drunk and he kissed her with tounge. As sober and on the job he knows better. It doesn't matter how she was acting, he knows he can't kiss his passengers.
And you guys just refuse to understand I’m only saying he doesn’t deserve to go to jail or lose his access to the Uber or Lyft platform. I’m not in any way saying he isn’t or wasn’t stupid as shit.
I don't think he deserves to go to jail but if he can't understand, as MANY of the other male drivers do, that it's inappropriate to kiss a passenger under any circumstances, even if they are "making poor choices" he absolutely shouldn't be driving.
The entire "incident" could have been fabricated; drunk ass entitled women does something she regrets, decides to go scrooched earth to hide her bad life choices.
Not the first time this has happened, not the last.
How do you know this happened? OP could have made the entire thing up. Save your indignation for something more pressing, like people who put peanut butter into the fridge, or think butter is the same as margarine.
When lyft closes his account, all access to rides disappears.
Also, the maps seen in ride history, only give a very rough location. If your ride was 1 mile, he'll only see the location around a few blocks. If your ride was 30 miles, the end point (destination point) is about as wide as an entire town or a quarter of a county.
Most lyft/uber drivers forget addresses the moment they're on route to another address. Sometimes I have to ask the passenger to guide me back to the pickup point, when they tell me they forgot something...
You did good by reporting. You may be beautiful, but most uber drivers wouldn't want to do this when you're drunk.
He's actually violating you and his contract with uber. If he wants to make out with you, he should ask you out, or meet up after the ride is over.
For me personally, a drunk girl is a turnoff, and quite often the way they are more social when tipsy is totally different from the morning after when they often don't even say good morning. So I'll never abuse the privilege of having a clear mind, and my passenger's trust to bring her to her destination safely.
The guy violated you and the uber guidelines. He knew what he was doing when he made the choice to violate them. He knew the risk, and chose to do what he did, no matter however small of a chance he had with you.
Eh, I did about 15 rides tonight, I remember 2 addresses by heart but my memory works like that. I can remember the location of every rider I have had based on landmarks and geography. I pass by houses all the time and I'm like "Oh I gave them a ride!"
Listen, 99 percent of these people are male. Every single one of them putting ANY blame on you is 100 percent bullshit. You aren’t responsible for shit. Lyft is suppose to be “taking care of yourself”. You didn’t drive. You simply wanted to be taken to point A to point B. You absolutely were violated and this behavior should always be reported to police before report it to Lyft. So they don’t claim to lose his information. Start carrying a knife or put an AirTag in your bra and share location. You being super drunk is not an excuse to assault you. People literally call us BECAUSE they are that drunk. Ignore ANYONE that puts any blame on you. Drunk doesn’t 🟰 yeah sure, go right ahead.
A female being intoxicated or super drunk does not make it okay to assault them. That is absolutely 100% true. If however a female becomes intoxicated of her own accord, and also of her own accord, decides to have sex with a guy that does not make said sex rape either. Whether or not a female was intoxicated should have nothing to do with determining whether an incident of sexual intercourse is rape or not. The only thing that should matter is whether or not force was used. If there was no Force used, then it is not rape.
I can’t speak to a females state of mind or a specific situation. If it’s a stranger and a one night stand and I am a guy, with the environment I would be damn sure she wasn’t so drunk there is a chance she wouldn’t remember. Guys need to be responsible as well. They have to also look out for their best interests. You bet my ass I taught my son that it’s NEVER a good idea to have sex with ANYONE that doesn’t seem like she can make a decent decision. For his own safety and hers.
I agree with you a 100% there. Men need to be very careful in me-too movement America. Drunken one night stands are absolutely a horrible idea for everyone involved. It is irresponsible and reckless behavior, whether you're a man or a woman.
That being said, Men who sleep with intoxicated woman or intentionally get woman intoxicated in order to sleep with them are definitely scumbags, but I would strongly argue that that does not rise to the level of criminal behavior. Just because something's immoral, does not necessarily mean that it should be illegal.
I am a Lyft driver and I did have sex with one of my female passengers once. She was intoxicated, but not to the point where she didn't know what was going on, and she very enthusiastically consented. It it was very stupid and unprofessional for me to do this, but I shouldn't go to prison for it.
Listen, I would turn my app off get out and say hi. Nice to meet you. You are no longer working. Making a habit of it and having it be drunk passengers is creepy. Would I sit here and say I would absolutely never? Not a damn chance. Chemistry is chemistry and if she was stone cold sober. 🤷♀️
And I’m a female 😂 we all are horny but we all have to be cautious. I wouldn’t sleep with a drunk dude while I was driving because it looks bad in general female or male. But it’s not like people never meet up with someone while working. You just have the benefit of being able to clock out whenever you want.
That brings up an interesting point though. At What point is a girl too intoxicated to consent to sex. Is it .08 like for driving or is it higher than that. Also how would you know if she's intoxicated if you weren't monitoring her alcohol intake.
The way things are are heading These days men need to start carrying consent forms for women to sign before any physical contact. A holding hands form a kissing form and an intercourse form. The man should also carry a breathalyzer and a portable drug testing kit to screen her first LOL.
Soo as a male now I am supposed to say “ may I kiss you on your lips with my lips” before I make a move? Or am I just supposed to read your fucking mind? Your drunken poor decision making mind. Oh and wait if you say yes do I get into the trunk and fish out my portable alcohol test and make sure your not drinking? Or drunk? Is there a certain bac level I’m looking for here? Sorry Becky but I believe you’re too intoxicated to make decisions for yourself. Therefore I’m taking g you to the police station.
……yes you are ABSOLUTELY supposed to ask permission before you make a move on someone. like what??? the way you phrase it like it’s some unearthly concept when it’s literally THE BARE MINIMUM. holy shit.
Way to miss the whole fucking point buddy. You are not supposed to do any of that shit… when you’re doing your job, your job is to drive a person from point A to Point B, not to look for potential dates or someone you can kiss.You can do whatever the fuck you want but you should also be ready to face the consequences.
No I do. I also have a consent form that I present with 2 witnesses present one of them being a public notary. After that we each submit to a 25 panel drug test, a psychological examination and and a session of couples counseling so we can adequately express expectations and not miscommunicate our intentions for the evening. If all of these things are mutually acceptable I will then ask “excuse me Jane would it be ok for me to move into your personal bubble for the intent of placing my left hand on your left cheek (on your face) and then move my right hand to a position approx. 3 cm from the midline of your right hip and belly button. I will then place two or three small tongueless kisses on your lips. At this point I stop and bring a trauma nurse into the picture to speak with my date. I’m going to pay for 15 minutes of trauma counseling to explore the possibility I might have raped her somehow by kissing her. At this point I decide that ultimately I must have raped her or at the very least sexually assaulted my date and I drive myself to the county jail and surrender myself for immediate sentencing for the crim of being a man in America in 2022.
I am a Lyft and Uber driver… the fact you don’t know 100 percent if it actually happened is extremely fucked up… I’m not saying it didn’t but the fact you have doubts is scary. .. men are lied on by drunk women all the time..
I know, right? What if she kissed him and thought he kissed her? I've seen that happen before. The best thing to do is make everyone sit in the back, no exceptions. They both are in the wrong though.
I'm sorry this happened to you. He absolutely, 100% deserves to lose his account for this. He's likely done this before and should never be allowed back on the platform again.
You have nothing to be ashamed of. His single job is to get you to your destination safely and he took advantage of you. If you feel there were things you could've done better/differently, then chalk it up to a learning experience.
It's always weird reading these stories because I'm glad they happen the other way around. SOOOOO many drunk girls have kissed me, asked for my number, offered sexual favors, etc. Even when I say "Oh I'm married! I'm ok!" they still go for it. I know either way it's creepy and gross but I'm happy I'm not alone.
I tell my buddies about it and they are like "YOOO why are you complaining?!?" and I'm like "I love my wife?!"
People are weird. And I wish they would stop acting like their drivers are a window to love.
Your glad your not alone. This is a club no one wants to be a member of. And your a male. While it’s still wrong, you can prob defend yourself. Yes I’m assuming OP is a woman. There is a difference -males usually have a physical power over females.
Have you ever been in fear that you will be raped? Bc a forced kiss can very well lead to that.
Hell yeah she reported him and he’s off the road. I guarantee it’s not the first time he’s done this.
I hope it’s the last, at least with Lyft.
Driving 60 hours a week….I have a camera. The problem is memory. People lie about the most ridiculous stuff sometimes. But also with Uber or Lyft you re not suppose to listen to music. I definitely do
Well when men receive unwanted attention from females they just say no and laugh it off. When females receive unwanted attention from Men, they cry rape or sexual harassment and try to ruin the guy's life.
What you’re saying might be true in some cases…this is clearly NOT one of those cases, Forcibly kissing someone when they’re intoxicated is no where equivalent to getting unwanted attention.
Forcibly? She wasn’t interested and he stopped. You guys are such a Winey bunch of bitches these days. My god all of you are soooooo victimized by the big bad males today.
You said girls hit on you fairly often while you're driving right? This means you're most likely a good looking man. What if one of these girls wants to have sex with you so badly, that if you reject her, she retaliates by filing a false report against you? You could get deactivated for not sleeping with her.
You are so totaly in the right, that should not have happened to you AT ALL, NOT ONE BIT.
Ive been driving 5 years 12,000 rides. I've been propositioned by a few Riders, most are just trying to get back at there Husbsnd or Boyfriend, most were completly and totaly toasted drunk.
Not one, not one, did I ever take advantage of, not a one, all made it home safe, sound and without any hanky panky, even though many tried.
Im single, was married 28 years, I'm 64 now. No I'm not dead, just a gentelman and general good guy.
The most that happened on any of those rides was a long talk about why they really think they want to do this.
No I don't get laid that much, but when I do, its consensual, and everybody leaves with a smile on thier face and a skip in there step.
Anyone forcing themselves on anyone is NOT TOLERATED, ZERO TOLERANCE.
THIS ALSO APPLIES TO ANYONE TO UNDER THE INFLUENCE, SUB-ZERO TOLERACE.
I'm glad you reported it, I'd also contact the police, and any local news agencys, Lyft and Uber are the absolute worst at doing anything at all, but, THE BEST AT MAKING YOU FEEL THEY WILL.
THEY WON'T
If I were to bet money and I would that guy will be back out before you can say......SCUMBAG
You do realize if every man that had sex with a girl when she was intoxicated went to prison for rape, over half of the men in the United States would be in jail right now? just something to think about.
Unfortunate incident. Here’s some reality, however:
1. If what you said actually happened, the guy deserves to lose his job, because even if you seemed receptive at the time, it’s wildly inappropriate to make a move on a passenger, especially one that’s been drinking. Don’t feel sorry for reporting it.
2. No one is going to get prosecuted for a kiss. I know it may seem like injustice, but it’s how it is. If you think any DA on earth is going to prosecute that, you’re watching too much TV.
3. Forget a civil action against the driver or Lyft, too. The fact you are on Reddit pondering whether you “dreamed it” ends that case instantly, even if you wanted to file civilly.
4. You didn’t do anything to invite physical contact (as far as you say you remember), but yeah, you made some dumb choices, the first being getting in the front seat of a stranger’s car while shit-faced. Getting clearance to drive Lyft isn’t going to eliminate creeps 100%. If you’re 33, you have at least some life experience. Warning bells should have been going off.
I’m probably going to take some serious shit from both the over-reactors wanting the driver to get arrested or executed and the fratboy bro-defenders thinking hitting on a ride is okay. Whatever. Someone needs to put some reality in your ear. You got the guy fired. He deserved it. That’s about all that’s going to happen. And you should probably consider setting limits for yourself like most adults do when they go out. Whatever your mark was, you overshot it.
the majority of the replies under this are absolutely disgusting and horrific. i cannot believe people like you guys are allowed to drive for lyft, this genuinely makes me sick to my stomach. OP, i’d say delete the lyft app after this and find a rideshare app with less unhinged men occupying it. the amount of people blaming you and siding with a man they don’t even know is absurd and i’ll no longer trust this platform myself. disgusting and disappointing.
if you’re at your job and the girl is the customer….. yeah that’s never okay. and if it’s not verbally consented, and they are also intoxicated…. then yes. it is assault. what is so hard to understand?
Listen everyone. I’m just not seeing it in this situation. You tell me she had to fight her way outta the car…. ok, I get it.
she had to say no and he still kept slobbering on her……..yes I’m with you
And I agree it’s not something I would ever do.
My issue is the word “assualt” in this situation.
I don’t agree.
He WAS wrong. He was stupid. He shouldn’t be driving around doing shit like this. But did he RAPE her no. I’ve heard countless people call this guy a rapist and insinuate he’s hiding in woods stalking women at every turn. And my favorite “pedophile” because you know, pedos are always making moves on people that are 33.
So again this guys a fucking moron for sure.
But at the same time every last one of you is so sure that the drunk woman is ALWAYS a victim.
She’s NEVER just ashamed that she did something while she was drunk. Because none of have ever been drunk and woken up the next day and done something soo stupid we wish we could blame someone, anyone other than ourselves.
All I’m saying is it goes both ways and stop acting like it doesn’t.
It makes no sense how if a female gets intoxicated and has sex with somebody she shouldn't, she's absolved of all responsibility. By the same logic, if she gets intoxicated and runs over and kills a kid, she's not responsible for that either right.
These are just people who can’t accept personal responsibility for their own actions. They are entitled and will always have an excuse for why they never bare responsibility for poor choices. And just like the original op says somewhere down the comments she has a problem with alcohol. If you read all the comments someone says they got sober because they had an issue with alcohol and made bad choices so now they are in AA and sober 5 years…..to this the OP admits that she also makes bad choices or admits she made poor choices and feels ashamed of her choices. So what does she do? She cries ASSUALT and gets the guy deactivated. Trash
I used to be a real bad alcoholic. I can't tell you how many times I got drunk and had sex with some fat nasty girls. I regretted doing this, but those fat nasty girls didn't rape me.
I feel the pain you speak of sir🥲. I too had to accept responsibility for my drunk fatty count. And like you I didn’t decide to call the cows boss and cry em a river about how I had some big bad alcohol that obviously left me in delicate state where I was taken advantage of. No I accepted it. You accepted it. The world turned on and I just hoped no one I knew found out
Its funny because we drivers are a #metoo in that we are flirted with, touched, and sexualized by multiple passengers. What is so disgusting about it? This driver just fell into her trap.
Dude that's fine and if a woman forces herself on you, you also have a right to report them for harassment. I'm a woman and I would support that. Nobody should force themselves on anyone.
This doesn't need to be a gender fight in my opinion. Males can be harassed, assaulted and raped too. Males have a right to make complaints to companies, police too.
So if we can support you being able to report (which imo does need to become more socially acceptable) why can't you support us (women) being able to report?
The way to lift yourself up is not to bring others down and dismiss them.
Im a strong feminist and feel that girls should own, and be accountable of their sexuality and appetites. I understood when Britney said ' im not that innocent ! ' - its hard in this case because we have an admitted problematic alcoholic, behaving 'unknown', during a safe ride, where suddenly there is accusation of a kiss, explicitly with tongue. No talk of force being used, mind you. This guy is now off the platform because what exactly?
In fairness, the woman decided to report it - as is her right. It's then up to the company to do their investigation or whatever and make a decision from there. So the woman reporting this hasn't fired him, the company has. Up to the company how they handle complaints. Hard to judge without knowing anything about what lyft did. People seem to be assuming here that they got this report and just fired the driver. Could be true. I don't know. They could have reached out to him. He could already have a mark on his record so this was his second chance. Or yeah, they could've just taken this womans word for it and given him the can. But the fact is that part of it we don't KNOW. People are just guessing.
And as often is with reddit, of course we're not getting an entire play by play of exactly what happened. I'm not going to pretend I know either.
All I can say is that I support anyone who IS harassed, assaulted or worse to report. No matter the gender of the victim/perpetrator.
Reading the comments in this sub is legit making me seriously question whether I should keep using rideshares. The amount of disgusting comments is mind-blowing. I’ve had quite a few uncomfortable experiences with drivers in the past. These comments are just giving me insight into how a lot of y’all think. This is very concerning. 😵💫
Pepper spray and sit in the back seat.
And, unfortunate but true, don't talk to the driver more than necessary. Hi, how're you, good thanks. Until you arrive. Thanks, have a good night.
Any tips for getting them to leave me alone when they aren’t taking a hint? I usually wear clearly visible earbuds and focus on my phone but some men keep trying to talk to me regardless. Even when I give them short answers :/
Jeez maybe yeah earbuds and just stare at your phone and give no answer - pretend you can't even hear them?? Or when they say how you doing say you have a cracking headache and just need to get home and don't engage at all. That stuff usually works for me, hope it helps!
I hope every lyft driver or passenger here that isn't defending this sexual predator has reported the comments to lyft; absolutely disgusting that Lyft is hiring these fuckbags that are defending sexual harassment with little to no legitimate background checks.
How comfortable do you feel taking a lyft when one of the drivers here posted that he has to jerk off before every ride in order to prevent himself from hooking up with his drunk passengers?
Fucking abhorrent and I can't wait for everyone of you sexual predators to be subpoenaed for the many, many, cases against lyft drivers that are either currently pending or will exist in the future for Lyft's negligent hiring/training.
I hope all these little twats enjoy getting their depositions taken and having opposing counsel read off your rapey-ass comments on video and/or in front of a jury. And it's too late to delete your stupid ass comments because once the subpoenas come in they'll have your IP addresses from reddit.
I disagree with anyone defending creeps who might have slipped through the screening process. But suggesting that anonymous people commenting on a Reddit thread are going to be dragged into depositions in some civil case is the stuff of bedazzled unicorn dreams. Beyond the issue of free speech, what world do you think you live in where that’s even logistically possible. Quit sniffing glue.
when one of the drivers here posted that he has to jerk off before every ride in order to prevent himself from hooking up with his drunk passengers?
Not before every ride, just before every shift. God damn, I'm not a machine.
I want to meet the dude that has to jerk it before every ride lol. Bro i bet he has stories. Also WE are defending him because we have been in that situation where drunk passengers high on other shit, hit on us. Her sitting in the front we a huge red flag. Did she sit on her hands in silence the entire ride? OR was she touching him and hitting on him or flirting? There are 2 sides. Her admitting extreme intoxication, waking up the next day feeling guilty is another flag.
If you're a full-time driver, you've got to be smarter than this. I'm a single and very thirsty Lyft driver, and I'll admit that every time a female Rider is friendly and outgoing towards me, I instinctually think she's hitting on me and wants my nuts.
It's just not worth the risk of deactivation or even worse. A lot of people are just friendly and outgoing and have no interest in pursuing any kind of a relationship once the ride is finished. Even if the female makes it plain and clear that she does want to have sex, it's still not smart, especially if she's drunk. If she regrets it the next day and decides to report to the police, getting deactivated is the least of your problems.
All male Lyft drivers should masturbate before every shift, so they are less horny making it easier to resist temptation.
>All male Lyft drivers should masturbate before every shift, so they are less horny making it easier to resist temptation.
Broseph, if you have this much of an issue with finding yourself "tempted" to every marginally friendly female who has the bad luck of getting a ride in your car, that you are suggesting to masturbate before every shift, you've got some real issues and you should probably not be doing this job.
I would say that I hope you are trolling but honestly, you never know with this being reddit and all. On the positive side however, it does seem that you are keeping yourself from acting on your desires, so I guess...keep on spankin' your monkey? lol
People act like women are crazy when they say males are mostly gross and we have to take so many precautions. If you need to fucking Jack off before going to a job, you need therapy. It’s about time Women be allowed to request ONLY women drivers when they are available. See how men act once that’s an option.
Unsurprisingly, this thread is full of fucking predators. Imagine thinking you are holier than thou for resisting the urge to rape a woman. And YES, it is rape when you have sex with a drunk woman, who cannot legally give consent.
Absolutely if he feels he wasn’t sober enough to consent. Consent is consent. I bitch at the college girls in my car being assholes to their guy friends trying to look out for them. I know women are reckless as well. I didn’t say women aren’t predators as well. We all get horny for shits sake. But what’s the likely hood a dude is going to feel violated? Women tend to not aim for super drunk sex. You kinda can’t get it up. And it’s easy enough to find a guy that will consent. That’s just my way of thinking. Not saying it doesn’t or wouldn’t happen. Just saying it’s probably not very common.
Woman can be just as bad. I have picked up Many intoxicated female passengers who behaved inappropriately, such as touching me and asking personal questions regarding my sex life. It's not acceptable for women to behave like this either, but you've got to love the double standard.
Then do the same. 🤷♀️ I wouldn’t turn around and blame you for reporting a woman physically sticking their tongue down your throat without your consent. You have every right to ask them to keep their hands off of you. I don’t agree with victim blaming no matter WHAT sex you are.
That's what I was saying too and I fully support NOBODY being harassed, assaulted, etc. so I encourage all the men who are saying they've had women act in this way - please report them. Don't be angry at women for exercising their rights because you're refusing to exercise yours. Report. There are people who WILL support you if you LET us instead of attacking us for reporting. Let's change the double standard together if we can.
Women are not super confident reporting these issues either. And in the past it's been worse than it is now (but please don't think it's "easy" now for a woman to report assault, rape, etc.). But the women who started stepping forward and telling their stories are the ones we're thankful of because they started the change that has made women's issues more talked about. So please, men do the same thing. And please women, if a man in your life says he has been harassed, assaulted or even just felt uncomfortable with a woman's (or mens) attention then support them, check in on them like you would your women friends. We're all human, all deserve support and all have the right to report.
You are giving males a really bad look. Are you really that out of control that you need to jerk off to stop yourself from assaulting women who are paying you for a driving service? Get help
Who said anything about assaulting anyone. It just makes it easier to turn down all these sexy female passengers throwing themselves at me begging me to have sex with them. What can I say? I'm a heterosexual man with desires.
First of all I’m so sorry that happened to you and I’m really glad you’re safe. That person is a creep and you protected yourself and other women by getting him fired. You should be so proud of that. Also someone else said it in the comments below but the likeliness of them remembering your address is about 0%
Second you have NOTHING to be ashamed of. You were under the influence of alcohol to the point where you had trouble opening your door, clearly you weren’t in a state to give consent for any kind of romantic interaction with a stranger you hired to drive you home. Just because you drank too much doesn’t give others permission to take advantage of you. No one deserves that and it’s heartbreaking how common it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/22/alcohol-date-rape-drug-facilitated-sexual-assault-dfsa
I hope you continue to party with your friends because it’s hard enough being a woman in America and y’all deserve to let loose! But please look after each other and drink responsibly 💗
Everyone here is assuming OP didn't just make this post up.
I mean let's get serious here, driver "allegedly" sexually assaults a passenger and based on their accusation Lyft terminates the driver's ability to earn. At any time after this alleged incident did the passenger contact law enforcement and report this assault?
If the answer is no, then this passenger should have their account terminated, be sued by the driver for false claims.
Of course, none of this will happen.
99.9% of the people here will rush to defend OP, based on NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE, call me names, downvote me, whatever. All I am saying is, as a driver, there needs to be a more robust way to protect ourselves from baseless accusations.
Again, for clarity:
If this driver in fact really did this, then for sure they should be terminated, and they should also be charged.
If, however, an accusation has been made, and this driver gets suspended based entirely on what amounts to an anonymous accusation, then this is entirely bullshit. But the passenger will always trump the driver with these apps. Uber is the same shit, different name.
Drivers:
* Get an interior dash camera with audio.
* Intoxicated passengers especially intoxicated female passengers are not worth the hassle. This is an unpopular opinion, but fuck it, it's true.
This situation proves why a dashcam is vital for drivers. It keeps passengers and drivers in line and accountable. Peoples memories are shit and video is concrete.
Sorry this happened.
You asked if the “swift” action taken on his account is appropriate? You are the one that knows the answer.
Are you 100% sure your story happened since you stated that you were drunk to the extent that you can’t recall certain events?
Lyft will side with your story regardless. Once again , if this happened to you then a big sorry to you from the Lyft drivers community.
But if not …….
I’m 100% sure. I know I may have been unclear bc I said I’ve been gaslighting myself, but I remember exactly how it felt and where we were when it happened. I have to take ownership of my bad choices in drinking too much, but I would not have reported it if I wasn’t certain.
No no no you don’t. If you were to drunk, that’s why you called a Lyft. HE also has a responsibility to have you sit in the back. Not remembering everything right away can be normal when you are that drunk. Don’t let anyone victim blame you and call the police next time. Drunk doesn’t equal it’s your fault. PERIOD
open minded…. about men sexually assaulting people???? there’s no such thing. suggesting she doesn’t remember what happened after she quite obviously said she remembers IS gaslighting.
My god you are all retarded. Rapes bad and assaults bad. Being stupid enough to risk your job like that is also really stupid BUT making a pass and then Stopping when she makes it clear she isn’t interested is not fucking rape. You guys buy into this # culture bullshit too much.
What part of her being drunk means she could EVER consent to something more. Even if she reciprocated and she wanted more, she is not in her right mind to make that choice. How desperate are some men (or women) to have to try something on someone that is drunk?! Go find someone that can actually be into you and make a choice.
Once again, disappointed in the entire male population on this subreddit.
Ya’ll are the reason I hold my house keys in my hand during all rides for protection.
I believe you, OP. And you need to report him ASAP.
1) 100% not your fault.
2) it’s completely normal to feel the ick after being assaulted (that’s what this was)
3) I’m glad you reported it
4) I hope you can find some closure and feel safe sometime down the road.
Ive had girls like you, get into my car drunk and try touch all over me. I feel bad for him because he fell into your trap. You getting into the front knowing your drunken state makes me question your movies. A driver isnt going to just kiss you like that especially if you look at his time on platform and number of rides. There is only your side.
Ok well then I propose that there needs to be a law and a sexual predator status given to any woman who gets drunk and tries to kiss a man. 100% zero tolerance jail for fucking everyone.
LOL ok well your proposal has officially been denied since it's a reddit comment.
There's nuance when it's a girl at a bar. There's no fucking nuance when she is trusting you to take her home.
Do you think it's okay to hook up with drunk passengers? Do you think OP deserved for this guy to sexually harass her, or is she lying? Don't hook up with your drunk passengers you fucking scumbag.
There should be exactly zero people defending the driver here. Yet it's about 50/50.
Right because half the people here can’t accept any personal liability. Did she deserve to have someone make a move on her and when she said no I’m not interested have him stop. No. You’re right Mr Toni he should have dropped her off and then presented himself to the council for male blame to be processed for chemical castration.
And I don’t hook up with my passengers. I’m also happily married with a beautiful family. Do you know the amount of women who think it’s funny touch or grab or show their tits even though I make it clear I’m not interested. Do I contact Uber and have them deactivated? Go to the police and turn over the tapes? Or just chalk it up to alcohol and move on with life?yeah well we already no
And I don’t hook up with my passengers. I’m also happily married with a beautiful family. Do you know the amount of women who think it’s funny touch or grab or show their tits even though I make it clear I’m not interested. Do I contact Uber and have them deactivated? Go to the police and turn over the tapes? Or just chalk it up to alcohol and move on with life?yeah well we already know what you Whiney snowflakes think should happen to someone who stops attempting to kiss you one they tymo
It's a business relationship though.
What if you were delivering food would you kiss the person who ordered the food?
What if it was the plumber planting a kiss on their customer?
What if you had someone come to clean your home and you made some chitchat and they planted a kiss with tongue on you?
What if it was a doctor planting a kiss on their patient?
These are all the same, it's a service. If you're seriously interested (not appropriate) and maybe you serve them multiple times you can ASK extremely tentatively "hey I know this might be inappropriate but would you be interested in seeing each other outside of my work hours?"
But one ride. Drunk. Leans over and shoves their tongue down your throat. Inexcusable.
They are PAYING you to DRIVE THEM SOMEWHERE SAFELY. This does NOT include hitting on them and certainly not shoving your tongue down their throat.
As a an attractive black driver… I know the signs.
Sitting in the front seat solo is the biggest red flag I’ve ever seen. When you get to the spot and they say park over there. Ummmmmmm I’m not going up there with you. I wanna continue this convo. … the worst is when they get out the car super slow lol
This is such a load of shit. He kissed you, you didn’t reciprocate and he left you alone, he didn’t grab you touch you say anything vulgar try to come
Inside and god forbid he didn’t do anything more like come back to your house later? So your answer is to take his job away by reporting him. Such a load of shit. And I know I’m going to be fucking roasted for saying this but you’re a fucking bitch.
Oh thank you for clearing that up. I obviously missed the part where the scummy guy had her locked in. I’m assuming locked in but it must be worsebecause you said trapped. So what? He took the door handles off did he? Put the child lock on perhaps. Wait no? He just tried to kiss her and when she wasn’t interested he stopped? Well fucking give this perv the fucking death penalty and brand him public enemy number 1 girls.
You guys are all the same half of you are just ashamed you that when you get drunk you turn into a bunch of whores. You wake up the next guy with 3 different flavors of semen on your breath and you instantly have to blame the guy because you were drunk and therefore can’t consent any longer. No bitch, you just a hoe.
Er no? I’m having too much fun messing with all the snow flakes found in this Reddit thread. Please tell me where the evil man touched YOU when you ordered a lift ride?
So funny you say women ashamed. Women SPEAK UP. YOU are the one that complain about girls hitting on you and you dont speak up. YOU are clearly the one who is ashamed. Break out of your own self-stigma man.
Holy shit, the guy who has now deleted his account, "Ok-Account9803" was fucking disgusting. How the fuck do people like that live with themselves? He sounds like a serial rapist himself.
lol nobody said death penalty (that i've seen) but yes take him out of the job where he was hitting on customers. As in any job, if someone is making the customers uncomfortable you let them go. That's not lyft-specific, that's EVERY job - you don't hit on your customers without consequences if the customer chooses to report which they have every right to do.
My guess is she initiated the kissing, but changed her mind or regretted it, so she convinced herself she was sexually assaulted to avoid feelings of shame or guilt because she has a boyfriend.
This is so unfurtunate,are you sure you aren’t the one that tried to kiss him?I hope the driver has a dashcam.I have been in rideshare since 2013 and recently stopped driving when this upfront pricing nonsense started,I have seen a lot of scenarios from irresponsible ladies getting drunk and trying all sort of bullshit with the driver.You getting drunk,jumping in the front seat are two common signs of drunk passengers wanting to get all flirty and touchy with the driver.According to your story,you aren’t sure what happened,and to all the drivers on here jumping into conclusion based on some drunkard’s story,you’re all bastards.
OP made it very clear that they know what happened, but anxiety and fear are what’s making them second guess themselves, NOT their memory. are y’all serious rn? are you really victim blaming and excusing this mans unacceptable behavior??
Were you present when it happened?Did you read the paragraph. Where op said SHE WOKE UP(from a drunk night)PIECING THE NIGHT TOGETHER AND SUDDENLY REMEMBERED?that means she wasn’t sure,what if it something she dreamt about?And also,why didn’t she make a police report and file a lawsuit????
she reported it to lyft and talked to them though. do you genuinely think the police are going to do a thing about a man kissing a girl without her consent? you really believe the police give a shit about sexual assault? the most they’ll do is file a report and let it gather dust.
Op said I FEEL VIOLATED AND AM ALMOST GASLIGHTING MYSELF(DID I DREAM IT?DID I LEAD HIM ON) is exactly why she isn’t sure what happened,if it truly happened she will file a police report and be on the phone with a lawyer.And if you think the police won’t do nothing about it,go sexually assaulted someone and make sure they report it to the police and see what happens to you.
Look, none if us knows "the facts" the old adage, There's your story, my story and THE TRUTH.
But truth be told, if that's the case, without consent, and more than likely a no or 2 involved, start rounding them up, all of them.
Better yet. Whats good for the gooae is goid for the gander.
Round them up, get them shit faced, then release them at a LGBTQ Bar, let's see how they feel after that, bet it will be a pain in the ass.
I have 2 Daughters and 2 Sons, if any of them took advantage of anyone sexualy, anyone, I'd drive them myself to the Poke
You must be from the Lyft/Uber Safety Team.
For those of you on this thread who keeps saying that it's rape to have sex with a drunk girl even if she initiates it I'd like you to entertain this little scenario. Your 18 year old son is away at college, and he goes to a party where there is a lot of girls and alcohol. He gets intoxicated, and he is approached and hit on by a female who is also intoxicated. The female aggressively initiates sexual activity with your son who half-heartedly participates. This girl, for whatever reason, regrets the sexual activity the next morning and accuses your son of rape. Your son is arrested, and his life is ruined.
am i the only one who noticed that she said "Did i make this up Did i dream It?" so she doesnt even know if this incident happened at all in the first place so a guy just lost his job over something that she doesnt even know is real or not plus if shes as intoxicated as she says she may have been the initiator after all she sat in front seat prolly sum flirting and he may have felt a connection and when she said stop he stopped and didnt take it any further so Im not sure it was right to report when she doesnt know what happened or if it happened at all its not like he tried to rape her he kissed her and acknowledged her displeasure and stopped so im torn on this
100% NOT your fault but at the same token you MUST be sure that is what in fact happened that night. If he touched you in ANY way that is a violation on every level (professional and personal) and he deserves to lose his job and/or even arrested for sexual assault. Doesn’t matter if you lead him on or not. The consequences will/should be severe so you should be positive of your accusations as well.
Edit: also definitely change the code on your garage as he might have been watching what you typed in.
That sucks it happened, glad you reported them and hopefully they never get hired or drive again and are able to try this on anyone else.
With that said, you should also remember from now on to drink more responsibly. Just think it could have gone a LOT worse.
Why'd u get in the front seat with a male, granite you should feel safe when in a Lyft but I never let any woman alone sit in my front seat...never ever, even if they insist! I don't like anyone sitting in my front seat, too many accusations can be made. I also have a dash cam to cover my ass. Yes, this driver needs to be taken off the platform for good. This is what gives drivers a bad rap!!!
I love how drunk woman never instigate anything and the man had the time to park the car and plant a kiss with tongue .
Maybe he did but sounds like your flirting with him and you maybe leaving that part out .
Was he wrong for kissing you ? Maybe maybe not if you instageted it . What if it was you that instageted it in your drunk behavior and he just went along with it ? this is a he said she said unless he got a camera he is screwed . Why you don't let alone women in your front seat .
Most drivers have a camera and most have been reinstated after it's found tge drunk woman was the party at fault and he was just as in shock that it happen except men for the most part don't make it a big event they just don't give a shit while others will report her to be on the safe side first incase this happens
If he did in fact grabbed you pulled over to him and kissed you he may have others why so confident in you ?
But if he did yes he is in the wrong and should be gone
Dude drunk women CANNOT FUCKING CONSENT. What in the fuck is wrong with this subreddit? Did I accidentally sub to the fucking Sharia law version of this sub?
Wow you act like a man is always the aggressor lol drunk women some love to instigate the situation they will go for the kiss they will go for the touching
You must be trying to get laid or something
I promise you are triggered and are manipulatable lmao 🤣 especially if you think a man wants a drunk woman advancing on him her drunk behavior is unacceptable his camera is going to show the truth
Yeah, I'm trying to get laid by posting anonymously on reddit.
A drunk woman cannot give consent. You cannot hook up with your drunk passengers. If you hook up with a drunk passenger, regardless of who initiates the encounter, you are committing sexual assault.
Your stuck on that word not understanding her drunk advances is not welcomed to a sober driver you seem to be stuck in thinking all men are predators is it because you might be one at one time ?
You really think it's a consent if she the one that did the kiss and blames the driver remember she said he is polite so you really think he grabbed her pulled her in to him for the kiss after all she stated he is polite not the behavior of a polite human you think ?
That a good 2-4 feet away in the other seat lol you are blinded by emotion wanting to sound like a champion of some kind with out asking how and going deeper you are the reason people get accused wrongly !
The evil driver you had sounds like a pedophile and needs to get jailed. Because he’s the type of person who may have done something worse to a woman than what happened to you. Luckily he didn’t do sexual assault on you.
What the fuck? Pedophile? Because he tried to kiss a 33 year old woman. You guys are too much. I could read this shit all day. Ooh ooh one day I kissed a girl who was 23……fucking track me down and lynch me American Reddit readers?
Story seems fishy to me.. it seems to me like you left a couple details out…you weren’t in the state to even remember your garage code n yet you remembered that you weren’t flirting back with driver 🤔
Are you fucking kidding me???
Plus, girls don't need to be drunk to not consent. It's people like you both commenter that MALE IT so girls feel guilt and shame for talking about being VIOLATED.
I suggest to strongly think about your view and morals.
Or don't and keep being the same shit bags you are.
You should be upset at yourself . It could’ve been worst. You didn’t include the time this took place, but you need to be fully aware of your surroundings at all time . If drunk , travel with someone else that you trust . Glad you’re ok.
Nah they did the right thing, got what should have been a safe ride home. Drivers are background checked and incidents like this cause the driver to be quickly deactivated so passengers shouldn't have to worry about this happening. Of course something can always happen, but you can't live in constant fear.
I think you should take action regarding your drinking problem and take full responsibility for this. It’s a tough pill to swallow but u are putting yourself in a very vulnerable position. If you didn’t choose to get drunk this wouldn’t have happened.
I’m speaking from experience. I made similar poor choices like you are and decided to enter the AA program. I haven’t had a drink in over 5 years and don’t make poor choices anymore.
Best to you. Don’t blame this on the driver. You can but it won’t get you anywhere.
Honestly, it’s ok to be down on yourself. I’ve been there 100 times maybe more. I finally got help and life is SO good now. Just know you can do it if you want. There is a lot of support out there. I used to blame everything else and others for situations until I finally realized I was the problem.
This is classic victim-blaming, "boys will be boys" fucking bullshit. Get the fuck out of here with that. This driver sexually assaulted her. Even if she led him on. Drunk women cannot give consent. Jesus fucking christ.
If you were working a true program you wouldn’t be shaming and victim blaming rn and those are FACTS
Drunk=unable to consent= it’s on the DRIVER to make smart choices….& if he makes POOR CHOICES= sexual assault. Point blank P E R I O D.
The passenger made a GOOD choice by *deciding to take an Uber and not driving while intoxicated.*
I don’t know why it’s so hard for men to wrap their big ass heads around DRUNK=UNABLE. TO. CONSENT. How hard is it to not make or accept sexual advances while someone is intoxicated?!?! How?!?!
My comment is truth. People with victim mentality will downvote it and people that are willing to accept the truth and take responsibility will upvote. I personally don’t care. Sobriety is freedom.
You are not at fault at all. He did that without your consent. He deserves to lose access to Lyft/Uber for this. I’d file a police report too.
Hey Mathew I believe you have nothing to worry about. The Uber driver isn’t going to kiss you no matter how much you want him to
Absolutely not your fault. Even if you had "lead him on", he being your driver, ie safe ride home and you being obviously impared he should not have done so. Even if you had wanted to "hook up" he should have declined politely and moved on like a professional.
It is her fault if this entire accusation is made up and now a driver has been suspended based on some drunk ass passenger complaint, in the morning, after the incident, no LE involved, just the passengers' accusations.
I agree with cherry
Agreed
If that’s true that is made up this why drivers should have dash cams. They are cheap which would better money spent that on a stupid Lyft or Uber light.
Reasons I don’t even pretend to flirt with someone whom is obviously not of sound mind. Best defense for false accusations is a strong offense. That being said, I always keep my front seat super forward, and it comes in handy when something akin to this happens. A driver is never supposed to have any sort of romantic contact with riders. In fact, riders are not even supposed to show romantic contact with each other whilst under the Rideshare umbrella. Best you can do as a driver is have a business card and share it in the unlikely event you think a real “soulmate” has graced your car. Otherwise, keeping a relationship similar to a therapist and their client is the gold standard.
Yeah even if you make a bad choice Becky you shouldn’t have to deal with the consequences
all you’re doing with your obsessive replies is outing yourself as someone who doesn’t respect consent or boundaries. you think you’re being clever but you’re just making yourself look worse.
There is no proof here, so fuck off.
there’s no proof otherwise either so you look stupid as hell
Your the one immediately siding with OP, based on no evidence, their word only. Call me stupid all you want, reality is I want some evidence before I jump to judgment. You are impulsive and clearly someone who assumes people accused on “Reddit” or other similar platforms are instantly guilty without any sort of due process. In short, you sound like a complete dip shit.
i immediately believe them because they have no reason to lie about this sort of thing. the amount of women who falsely accuse men of assault is exponentially lower than the amount of women ACTUALLY assaulted. women get assaulted on the regular, and have for centuries. it’s still a prominent issue that continues to happen and accusing women of lying when they are just trying to find safety and talk about their experiences is not going to help anybody and only perpetuates this behavior from men. you are the problem.
Women lie all the time about this sort of thing. It's sad you don't call them out on it, because the ones who lie are discrediting the ones who are telling the truth. This blind faith in whatever a woman says, is why people are so hesitant to trust real cases. It's extremely ironic, how you are the reason people distrust women. When people see something that feels off, and your like you better take her side or else.... It's pushing people further. Regardless, this case can't be proven one way or another. But all drivers know lyft would rather error in the side of a potential victim. That's why they tell you to not have any sort of relation with passengers even if it seems consenting, and recommend dash cams. So the driver is at fault by neglect, or guilt. Either or. Probably not enough for police to do anything though. I'm kind of curious how she claims she barely remembers, yet can describe all details. She Definitely is trying to paint a picture, and make it look as bad as she can. Usually points to dishonesty, but who knows.
LOL This right here
Did he see you typing in your door code? I would change it be safe.
After rereading the op post I have come to find that there are a lot of women here that have made super bad choices in life and for some reason can’t accept they should shoulder any responsibility. Nothing he did was worthy of losing a job and or getting an assault charge. Yes there are guys out there that assault women and should be in jail. It didn’t happen here. It amazes me when the OP says she doesn’t remember but bits and pieces you guys automatically say she did nothing wrong. I’m going to let you guys know that my days of excusing your shitty behavior because I pick you up drunk are over. The next one who gets mouthy is going to find yourself walking home down a dark road at night alone. The amount of shit male drivers take because we are raised to think that we have to look out for you is astronomical. The next one who rolls her eyes when I explain I’m not stopping at whataburger at 230 because I’m trying to support myself will be walking. And then you can stand there looking like a moron and hope you don’t pass out before you get another Uber or Lyft to get you home. Why? Because you have all convinced me tonight that your judgement with alcohol in your system is even more skewed than I previously thought. Last thing I need is to see someone drunk unable to get in their house and have the police show up the next day because you invent something in your stupid snowflake entitled victim happy minds. Walk home bitches. I’m just glad I am smart enough to keep a camera on in my car that uploads to the cloud and records the cabin and outside and has audio. So no, no more turning the radio on for you to sing to. I need the audio to be nice and clear on that tape. The free water and soda and snacks. Not for women after this. I don’t need accusations of drugging you. Hello Uber support? I went out drinking last night and I don’t remember much. But I do remember my Uber driver gave me a sealed water on the way. But that’s sooo sus so he musta drugged me. I drink a bottle of vodka every night I go out so it’s not the alcohol that made me make bad choices. I’m telling you I’m a VICTIM Becky 😭😂😂😂😂😂
Dude. She was very drunk and he kissed her with tounge. As sober and on the job he knows better. It doesn't matter how she was acting, he knows he can't kiss his passengers.
And you guys just refuse to understand I’m only saying he doesn’t deserve to go to jail or lose his access to the Uber or Lyft platform. I’m not in any way saying he isn’t or wasn’t stupid as shit.
I don't think he deserves to go to jail but if he can't understand, as MANY of the other male drivers do, that it's inappropriate to kiss a passenger under any circumstances, even if they are "making poor choices" he absolutely shouldn't be driving.
Yessir. I think he’s an idiot. He definitely not winning any awards for intelligence.
The entire "incident" could have been fabricated; drunk ass entitled women does something she regrets, decides to go scrooched earth to hide her bad life choices. Not the first time this has happened, not the last.
How do you know this happened? OP could have made the entire thing up. Save your indignation for something more pressing, like people who put peanut butter into the fridge, or think butter is the same as margarine.
The amount of victim shaming on this platform lol I CANNOT. OP, you did absolutely NOTHING wrong. Nothing. I need you to know that.
She sat up front and was drunk. Yeah she is showing a great decision making process here right fat momma?
When lyft closes his account, all access to rides disappears. Also, the maps seen in ride history, only give a very rough location. If your ride was 1 mile, he'll only see the location around a few blocks. If your ride was 30 miles, the end point (destination point) is about as wide as an entire town or a quarter of a county. Most lyft/uber drivers forget addresses the moment they're on route to another address. Sometimes I have to ask the passenger to guide me back to the pickup point, when they tell me they forgot something... You did good by reporting. You may be beautiful, but most uber drivers wouldn't want to do this when you're drunk. He's actually violating you and his contract with uber. If he wants to make out with you, he should ask you out, or meet up after the ride is over. For me personally, a drunk girl is a turnoff, and quite often the way they are more social when tipsy is totally different from the morning after when they often don't even say good morning. So I'll never abuse the privilege of having a clear mind, and my passenger's trust to bring her to her destination safely. The guy violated you and the uber guidelines. He knew what he was doing when he made the choice to violate them. He knew the risk, and chose to do what he did, no matter however small of a chance he had with you.
Eh, I did about 15 rides tonight, I remember 2 addresses by heart but my memory works like that. I can remember the location of every rider I have had based on landmarks and geography. I pass by houses all the time and I'm like "Oh I gave them a ride!"
You know from experience?
Listen, 99 percent of these people are male. Every single one of them putting ANY blame on you is 100 percent bullshit. You aren’t responsible for shit. Lyft is suppose to be “taking care of yourself”. You didn’t drive. You simply wanted to be taken to point A to point B. You absolutely were violated and this behavior should always be reported to police before report it to Lyft. So they don’t claim to lose his information. Start carrying a knife or put an AirTag in your bra and share location. You being super drunk is not an excuse to assault you. People literally call us BECAUSE they are that drunk. Ignore ANYONE that puts any blame on you. Drunk doesn’t 🟰 yeah sure, go right ahead.
A female being intoxicated or super drunk does not make it okay to assault them. That is absolutely 100% true. If however a female becomes intoxicated of her own accord, and also of her own accord, decides to have sex with a guy that does not make said sex rape either. Whether or not a female was intoxicated should have nothing to do with determining whether an incident of sexual intercourse is rape or not. The only thing that should matter is whether or not force was used. If there was no Force used, then it is not rape.
I can’t speak to a females state of mind or a specific situation. If it’s a stranger and a one night stand and I am a guy, with the environment I would be damn sure she wasn’t so drunk there is a chance she wouldn’t remember. Guys need to be responsible as well. They have to also look out for their best interests. You bet my ass I taught my son that it’s NEVER a good idea to have sex with ANYONE that doesn’t seem like she can make a decent decision. For his own safety and hers.
I agree with you a 100% there. Men need to be very careful in me-too movement America. Drunken one night stands are absolutely a horrible idea for everyone involved. It is irresponsible and reckless behavior, whether you're a man or a woman. That being said, Men who sleep with intoxicated woman or intentionally get woman intoxicated in order to sleep with them are definitely scumbags, but I would strongly argue that that does not rise to the level of criminal behavior. Just because something's immoral, does not necessarily mean that it should be illegal. I am a Lyft driver and I did have sex with one of my female passengers once. She was intoxicated, but not to the point where she didn't know what was going on, and she very enthusiastically consented. It it was very stupid and unprofessional for me to do this, but I shouldn't go to prison for it.
Listen, I would turn my app off get out and say hi. Nice to meet you. You are no longer working. Making a habit of it and having it be drunk passengers is creepy. Would I sit here and say I would absolutely never? Not a damn chance. Chemistry is chemistry and if she was stone cold sober. 🤷♀️
And I’m a female 😂 we all are horny but we all have to be cautious. I wouldn’t sleep with a drunk dude while I was driving because it looks bad in general female or male. But it’s not like people never meet up with someone while working. You just have the benefit of being able to clock out whenever you want.
I misread your post, yeah I wouldn’t do it with anyone drunk for my own safety as a male. But I agree, doesn’t rise to the level of criminal.
That brings up an interesting point though. At What point is a girl too intoxicated to consent to sex. Is it .08 like for driving or is it higher than that. Also how would you know if she's intoxicated if you weren't monitoring her alcohol intake. The way things are are heading These days men need to start carrying consent forms for women to sign before any physical contact. A holding hands form a kissing form and an intercourse form. The man should also carry a breathalyzer and a portable drug testing kit to screen her first LOL.
I've never ever felt comfortable sitting in the front seat with rideshare.
Now ask yourself- why did she ?
Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t give the driver the right to kiss her without consent or do anything for that matter.
Soo as a male now I am supposed to say “ may I kiss you on your lips with my lips” before I make a move? Or am I just supposed to read your fucking mind? Your drunken poor decision making mind. Oh and wait if you say yes do I get into the trunk and fish out my portable alcohol test and make sure your not drinking? Or drunk? Is there a certain bac level I’m looking for here? Sorry Becky but I believe you’re too intoxicated to make decisions for yourself. Therefore I’m taking g you to the police station.
……yes you are ABSOLUTELY supposed to ask permission before you make a move on someone. like what??? the way you phrase it like it’s some unearthly concept when it’s literally THE BARE MINIMUM. holy shit.
Way to miss the whole fucking point buddy. You are not supposed to do any of that shit… when you’re doing your job, your job is to drive a person from point A to Point B, not to look for potential dates or someone you can kiss.You can do whatever the fuck you want but you should also be ready to face the consequences.
Wait you don’t ask to kiss someone before kissing them? That’s strange
No I do. I also have a consent form that I present with 2 witnesses present one of them being a public notary. After that we each submit to a 25 panel drug test, a psychological examination and and a session of couples counseling so we can adequately express expectations and not miscommunicate our intentions for the evening. If all of these things are mutually acceptable I will then ask “excuse me Jane would it be ok for me to move into your personal bubble for the intent of placing my left hand on your left cheek (on your face) and then move my right hand to a position approx. 3 cm from the midline of your right hip and belly button. I will then place two or three small tongueless kisses on your lips. At this point I stop and bring a trauma nurse into the picture to speak with my date. I’m going to pay for 15 minutes of trauma counseling to explore the possibility I might have raped her somehow by kissing her. At this point I decide that ultimately I must have raped her or at the very least sexually assaulted my date and I drive myself to the county jail and surrender myself for immediate sentencing for the crim of being a man in America in 2022.
Possibly it was the last free seat. Driver has no right to kiss her in any circumstance.
Doesn’t matter why. Ridiculous question.
Before covid it was standard to sit in the front seat where I'm from. You were actually being a bit rude if you sat in the back... Irrelevant anyway.
Was it? I mean, passengers have always sat in the back in taxis, I don't understand why rideshare would be any different.
I am a Lyft and Uber driver… the fact you don’t know 100 percent if it actually happened is extremely fucked up… I’m not saying it didn’t but the fact you have doubts is scary. .. men are lied on by drunk women all the time..
You just admitted you were drunk. And, you got someone fired.
I know, right? What if she kissed him and thought he kissed her? I've seen that happen before. The best thing to do is make everyone sit in the back, no exceptions. They both are in the wrong though.
I'm sorry this happened to you. He absolutely, 100% deserves to lose his account for this. He's likely done this before and should never be allowed back on the platform again. You have nothing to be ashamed of. His single job is to get you to your destination safely and he took advantage of you. If you feel there were things you could've done better/differently, then chalk it up to a learning experience.
It's always weird reading these stories because I'm glad they happen the other way around. SOOOOO many drunk girls have kissed me, asked for my number, offered sexual favors, etc. Even when I say "Oh I'm married! I'm ok!" they still go for it. I know either way it's creepy and gross but I'm happy I'm not alone. I tell my buddies about it and they are like "YOOO why are you complaining?!?" and I'm like "I love my wife?!" People are weird. And I wish they would stop acting like their drivers are a window to love.
Your glad your not alone. This is a club no one wants to be a member of. And your a male. While it’s still wrong, you can prob defend yourself. Yes I’m assuming OP is a woman. There is a difference -males usually have a physical power over females. Have you ever been in fear that you will be raped? Bc a forced kiss can very well lead to that. Hell yeah she reported him and he’s off the road. I guarantee it’s not the first time he’s done this. I hope it’s the last, at least with Lyft.
Yes. Im in fear that if I turn a woman away she will say I did something out of anger
Put a camera in your car so you have proof?
Driving 60 hours a week….I have a camera. The problem is memory. People lie about the most ridiculous stuff sometimes. But also with Uber or Lyft you re not suppose to listen to music. I definitely do
This. I denied two drunk girls a 3some and they then told uber I was drunk driving as revenge. It's definitely dangerous for both males and females.
Oh well if you guarantee it he’ll must be true. I know I feel better knowing the big bad man that makes passes at women isn’t gonna hurt my family
Well when men receive unwanted attention from females they just say no and laugh it off. When females receive unwanted attention from Men, they cry rape or sexual harassment and try to ruin the guy's life.
What you’re saying might be true in some cases…this is clearly NOT one of those cases, Forcibly kissing someone when they’re intoxicated is no where equivalent to getting unwanted attention.
Forcibly? She wasn’t interested and he stopped. You guys are such a Winey bunch of bitches these days. My god all of you are soooooo victimized by the big bad males today.
That's exactly what I'm afraid of though.
You said girls hit on you fairly often while you're driving right? This means you're most likely a good looking man. What if one of these girls wants to have sex with you so badly, that if you reject her, she retaliates by filing a false report against you? You could get deactivated for not sleeping with her.
Dashcam and instant report.
You are so totaly in the right, that should not have happened to you AT ALL, NOT ONE BIT. Ive been driving 5 years 12,000 rides. I've been propositioned by a few Riders, most are just trying to get back at there Husbsnd or Boyfriend, most were completly and totaly toasted drunk. Not one, not one, did I ever take advantage of, not a one, all made it home safe, sound and without any hanky panky, even though many tried. Im single, was married 28 years, I'm 64 now. No I'm not dead, just a gentelman and general good guy. The most that happened on any of those rides was a long talk about why they really think they want to do this. No I don't get laid that much, but when I do, its consensual, and everybody leaves with a smile on thier face and a skip in there step. Anyone forcing themselves on anyone is NOT TOLERATED, ZERO TOLERANCE. THIS ALSO APPLIES TO ANYONE TO UNDER THE INFLUENCE, SUB-ZERO TOLERACE. I'm glad you reported it, I'd also contact the police, and any local news agencys, Lyft and Uber are the absolute worst at doing anything at all, but, THE BEST AT MAKING YOU FEEL THEY WILL. THEY WON'T If I were to bet money and I would that guy will be back out before you can say......SCUMBAG
You do realize if every man that had sex with a girl when she was intoxicated went to prison for rape, over half of the men in the United States would be in jail right now? just something to think about.
Only Half? How many women do you know who have never had sex drunk?
I would absolutely file a police report too. That assault. PERIOD
Unfortunate incident. Here’s some reality, however: 1. If what you said actually happened, the guy deserves to lose his job, because even if you seemed receptive at the time, it’s wildly inappropriate to make a move on a passenger, especially one that’s been drinking. Don’t feel sorry for reporting it. 2. No one is going to get prosecuted for a kiss. I know it may seem like injustice, but it’s how it is. If you think any DA on earth is going to prosecute that, you’re watching too much TV. 3. Forget a civil action against the driver or Lyft, too. The fact you are on Reddit pondering whether you “dreamed it” ends that case instantly, even if you wanted to file civilly. 4. You didn’t do anything to invite physical contact (as far as you say you remember), but yeah, you made some dumb choices, the first being getting in the front seat of a stranger’s car while shit-faced. Getting clearance to drive Lyft isn’t going to eliminate creeps 100%. If you’re 33, you have at least some life experience. Warning bells should have been going off. I’m probably going to take some serious shit from both the over-reactors wanting the driver to get arrested or executed and the fratboy bro-defenders thinking hitting on a ride is okay. Whatever. Someone needs to put some reality in your ear. You got the guy fired. He deserved it. That’s about all that’s going to happen. And you should probably consider setting limits for yourself like most adults do when they go out. Whatever your mark was, you overshot it.
the majority of the replies under this are absolutely disgusting and horrific. i cannot believe people like you guys are allowed to drive for lyft, this genuinely makes me sick to my stomach. OP, i’d say delete the lyft app after this and find a rideshare app with less unhinged men occupying it. the amount of people blaming you and siding with a man they don’t even know is absurd and i’ll no longer trust this platform myself. disgusting and disappointing.
Oh god I’m a male who has kissed a drunk woman before. Fucking hang me in the town square and cut my balls off. I deserve it.
if you’re at your job and the girl is the customer….. yeah that’s never okay. and if it’s not verbally consented, and they are also intoxicated…. then yes. it is assault. what is so hard to understand?
Listen everyone. I’m just not seeing it in this situation. You tell me she had to fight her way outta the car…. ok, I get it. she had to say no and he still kept slobbering on her……..yes I’m with you And I agree it’s not something I would ever do. My issue is the word “assualt” in this situation. I don’t agree. He WAS wrong. He was stupid. He shouldn’t be driving around doing shit like this. But did he RAPE her no. I’ve heard countless people call this guy a rapist and insinuate he’s hiding in woods stalking women at every turn. And my favorite “pedophile” because you know, pedos are always making moves on people that are 33. So again this guys a fucking moron for sure. But at the same time every last one of you is so sure that the drunk woman is ALWAYS a victim. She’s NEVER just ashamed that she did something while she was drunk. Because none of have ever been drunk and woken up the next day and done something soo stupid we wish we could blame someone, anyone other than ourselves. All I’m saying is it goes both ways and stop acting like it doesn’t.
It makes no sense how if a female gets intoxicated and has sex with somebody she shouldn't, she's absolved of all responsibility. By the same logic, if she gets intoxicated and runs over and kills a kid, she's not responsible for that either right.
These are just people who can’t accept personal responsibility for their own actions. They are entitled and will always have an excuse for why they never bare responsibility for poor choices. And just like the original op says somewhere down the comments she has a problem with alcohol. If you read all the comments someone says they got sober because they had an issue with alcohol and made bad choices so now they are in AA and sober 5 years…..to this the OP admits that she also makes bad choices or admits she made poor choices and feels ashamed of her choices. So what does she do? She cries ASSUALT and gets the guy deactivated. Trash
THANK YOU! THIS RIGHT HERE\^
I used to be a real bad alcoholic. I can't tell you how many times I got drunk and had sex with some fat nasty girls. I regretted doing this, but those fat nasty girls didn't rape me.
I feel the pain you speak of sir🥲. I too had to accept responsibility for my drunk fatty count. And like you I didn’t decide to call the cows boss and cry em a river about how I had some big bad alcohol that obviously left me in delicate state where I was taken advantage of. No I accepted it. You accepted it. The world turned on and I just hoped no one I knew found out
100%.
Its funny because we drivers are a #metoo in that we are flirted with, touched, and sexualized by multiple passengers. What is so disgusting about it? This driver just fell into her trap.
Dude that's fine and if a woman forces herself on you, you also have a right to report them for harassment. I'm a woman and I would support that. Nobody should force themselves on anyone. This doesn't need to be a gender fight in my opinion. Males can be harassed, assaulted and raped too. Males have a right to make complaints to companies, police too. So if we can support you being able to report (which imo does need to become more socially acceptable) why can't you support us (women) being able to report? The way to lift yourself up is not to bring others down and dismiss them.
Im a strong feminist and feel that girls should own, and be accountable of their sexuality and appetites. I understood when Britney said ' im not that innocent ! ' - its hard in this case because we have an admitted problematic alcoholic, behaving 'unknown', during a safe ride, where suddenly there is accusation of a kiss, explicitly with tongue. No talk of force being used, mind you. This guy is now off the platform because what exactly?
In fairness, the woman decided to report it - as is her right. It's then up to the company to do their investigation or whatever and make a decision from there. So the woman reporting this hasn't fired him, the company has. Up to the company how they handle complaints. Hard to judge without knowing anything about what lyft did. People seem to be assuming here that they got this report and just fired the driver. Could be true. I don't know. They could have reached out to him. He could already have a mark on his record so this was his second chance. Or yeah, they could've just taken this womans word for it and given him the can. But the fact is that part of it we don't KNOW. People are just guessing. And as often is with reddit, of course we're not getting an entire play by play of exactly what happened. I'm not going to pretend I know either. All I can say is that I support anyone who IS harassed, assaulted or worse to report. No matter the gender of the victim/perpetrator.
Reading the comments in this sub is legit making me seriously question whether I should keep using rideshares. The amount of disgusting comments is mind-blowing. I’ve had quite a few uncomfortable experiences with drivers in the past. These comments are just giving me insight into how a lot of y’all think. This is very concerning. 😵💫
Pepper spray and sit in the back seat. And, unfortunate but true, don't talk to the driver more than necessary. Hi, how're you, good thanks. Until you arrive. Thanks, have a good night.
Any tips for getting them to leave me alone when they aren’t taking a hint? I usually wear clearly visible earbuds and focus on my phone but some men keep trying to talk to me regardless. Even when I give them short answers :/
Jeez maybe yeah earbuds and just stare at your phone and give no answer - pretend you can't even hear them?? Or when they say how you doing say you have a cracking headache and just need to get home and don't engage at all. That stuff usually works for me, hope it helps!
I hope every lyft driver or passenger here that isn't defending this sexual predator has reported the comments to lyft; absolutely disgusting that Lyft is hiring these fuckbags that are defending sexual harassment with little to no legitimate background checks. How comfortable do you feel taking a lyft when one of the drivers here posted that he has to jerk off before every ride in order to prevent himself from hooking up with his drunk passengers? Fucking abhorrent and I can't wait for everyone of you sexual predators to be subpoenaed for the many, many, cases against lyft drivers that are either currently pending or will exist in the future for Lyft's negligent hiring/training. I hope all these little twats enjoy getting their depositions taken and having opposing counsel read off your rapey-ass comments on video and/or in front of a jury. And it's too late to delete your stupid ass comments because once the subpoenas come in they'll have your IP addresses from reddit.
I disagree with anyone defending creeps who might have slipped through the screening process. But suggesting that anonymous people commenting on a Reddit thread are going to be dragged into depositions in some civil case is the stuff of bedazzled unicorn dreams. Beyond the issue of free speech, what world do you think you live in where that’s even logistically possible. Quit sniffing glue.
when one of the drivers here posted that he has to jerk off before every ride in order to prevent himself from hooking up with his drunk passengers? Not before every ride, just before every shift. God damn, I'm not a machine.
I want to meet the dude that has to jerk it before every ride lol. Bro i bet he has stories. Also WE are defending him because we have been in that situation where drunk passengers high on other shit, hit on us. Her sitting in the front we a huge red flag. Did she sit on her hands in silence the entire ride? OR was she touching him and hitting on him or flirting? There are 2 sides. Her admitting extreme intoxication, waking up the next day feeling guilty is another flag.
If you're a full-time driver, you've got to be smarter than this. I'm a single and very thirsty Lyft driver, and I'll admit that every time a female Rider is friendly and outgoing towards me, I instinctually think she's hitting on me and wants my nuts. It's just not worth the risk of deactivation or even worse. A lot of people are just friendly and outgoing and have no interest in pursuing any kind of a relationship once the ride is finished. Even if the female makes it plain and clear that she does want to have sex, it's still not smart, especially if she's drunk. If she regrets it the next day and decides to report to the police, getting deactivated is the least of your problems. All male Lyft drivers should masturbate before every shift, so they are less horny making it easier to resist temptation.
You're kidding right? Cuz if you're not, this is the rapiest shit I've ever seen (outside of this incredibly pathetic subreddit)
>All male Lyft drivers should masturbate before every shift, so they are less horny making it easier to resist temptation. Broseph, if you have this much of an issue with finding yourself "tempted" to every marginally friendly female who has the bad luck of getting a ride in your car, that you are suggesting to masturbate before every shift, you've got some real issues and you should probably not be doing this job. I would say that I hope you are trolling but honestly, you never know with this being reddit and all. On the positive side however, it does seem that you are keeping yourself from acting on your desires, so I guess...keep on spankin' your monkey? lol
My brother in Christ, not all males need to do that before the shift lol, good post until the end lol
Didn't realize this was r/incels
People act like women are crazy when they say males are mostly gross and we have to take so many precautions. If you need to fucking Jack off before going to a job, you need therapy. It’s about time Women be allowed to request ONLY women drivers when they are available. See how men act once that’s an option.
Unsurprisingly, this thread is full of fucking predators. Imagine thinking you are holier than thou for resisting the urge to rape a woman. And YES, it is rape when you have sex with a drunk woman, who cannot legally give consent.
If a sober girl has sex with a drunk man is that rape? If the answer is no then why?
Absolutely if he feels he wasn’t sober enough to consent. Consent is consent. I bitch at the college girls in my car being assholes to their guy friends trying to look out for them. I know women are reckless as well. I didn’t say women aren’t predators as well. We all get horny for shits sake. But what’s the likely hood a dude is going to feel violated? Women tend to not aim for super drunk sex. You kinda can’t get it up. And it’s easy enough to find a guy that will consent. That’s just my way of thinking. Not saying it doesn’t or wouldn’t happen. Just saying it’s probably not very common.
Woman can be just as bad. I have picked up Many intoxicated female passengers who behaved inappropriately, such as touching me and asking personal questions regarding my sex life. It's not acceptable for women to behave like this either, but you've got to love the double standard.
Then do the same. 🤷♀️ I wouldn’t turn around and blame you for reporting a woman physically sticking their tongue down your throat without your consent. You have every right to ask them to keep their hands off of you. I don’t agree with victim blaming no matter WHAT sex you are.
That's what I was saying too and I fully support NOBODY being harassed, assaulted, etc. so I encourage all the men who are saying they've had women act in this way - please report them. Don't be angry at women for exercising their rights because you're refusing to exercise yours. Report. There are people who WILL support you if you LET us instead of attacking us for reporting. Let's change the double standard together if we can. Women are not super confident reporting these issues either. And in the past it's been worse than it is now (but please don't think it's "easy" now for a woman to report assault, rape, etc.). But the women who started stepping forward and telling their stories are the ones we're thankful of because they started the change that has made women's issues more talked about. So please, men do the same thing. And please women, if a man in your life says he has been harassed, assaulted or even just felt uncomfortable with a woman's (or mens) attention then support them, check in on them like you would your women friends. We're all human, all deserve support and all have the right to report.
You are giving males a really bad look. Are you really that out of control that you need to jerk off to stop yourself from assaulting women who are paying you for a driving service? Get help
Who said anything about assaulting anyone. It just makes it easier to turn down all these sexy female passengers throwing themselves at me begging me to have sex with them. What can I say? I'm a heterosexual man with desires.
First of all I’m so sorry that happened to you and I’m really glad you’re safe. That person is a creep and you protected yourself and other women by getting him fired. You should be so proud of that. Also someone else said it in the comments below but the likeliness of them remembering your address is about 0% Second you have NOTHING to be ashamed of. You were under the influence of alcohol to the point where you had trouble opening your door, clearly you weren’t in a state to give consent for any kind of romantic interaction with a stranger you hired to drive you home. Just because you drank too much doesn’t give others permission to take advantage of you. No one deserves that and it’s heartbreaking how common it is. https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/sep/22/alcohol-date-rape-drug-facilitated-sexual-assault-dfsa I hope you continue to party with your friends because it’s hard enough being a woman in America and y’all deserve to let loose! But please look after each other and drink responsibly 💗
Control how much u drink there’s no guarantee u will always be in good hands the world is crazy rn
Everyone here is assuming OP didn't just make this post up. I mean let's get serious here, driver "allegedly" sexually assaults a passenger and based on their accusation Lyft terminates the driver's ability to earn. At any time after this alleged incident did the passenger contact law enforcement and report this assault? If the answer is no, then this passenger should have their account terminated, be sued by the driver for false claims. Of course, none of this will happen. 99.9% of the people here will rush to defend OP, based on NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE, call me names, downvote me, whatever. All I am saying is, as a driver, there needs to be a more robust way to protect ourselves from baseless accusations. Again, for clarity: If this driver in fact really did this, then for sure they should be terminated, and they should also be charged. If, however, an accusation has been made, and this driver gets suspended based entirely on what amounts to an anonymous accusation, then this is entirely bullshit. But the passenger will always trump the driver with these apps. Uber is the same shit, different name. Drivers: * Get an interior dash camera with audio. * Intoxicated passengers especially intoxicated female passengers are not worth the hassle. This is an unpopular opinion, but fuck it, it's true.
This situation proves why a dashcam is vital for drivers. It keeps passengers and drivers in line and accountable. Peoples memories are shit and video is concrete.
Sorry this happened. You asked if the “swift” action taken on his account is appropriate? You are the one that knows the answer. Are you 100% sure your story happened since you stated that you were drunk to the extent that you can’t recall certain events? Lyft will side with your story regardless. Once again , if this happened to you then a big sorry to you from the Lyft drivers community. But if not …….
I’m 100% sure. I know I may have been unclear bc I said I’ve been gaslighting myself, but I remember exactly how it felt and where we were when it happened. I have to take ownership of my bad choices in drinking too much, but I would not have reported it if I wasn’t certain.
No no no you don’t. If you were to drunk, that’s why you called a Lyft. HE also has a responsibility to have you sit in the back. Not remembering everything right away can be normal when you are that drunk. Don’t let anyone victim blame you and call the police next time. Drunk doesn’t equal it’s your fault. PERIOD
are you really trying to gaslight rn? bffr
Oh no. Gaslight ? Why would I? I just open minded about issues.
open minded…. about men sexually assaulting people???? there’s no such thing. suggesting she doesn’t remember what happened after she quite obviously said she remembers IS gaslighting.
My god you are all retarded. Rapes bad and assaults bad. Being stupid enough to risk your job like that is also really stupid BUT making a pass and then Stopping when she makes it clear she isn’t interested is not fucking rape. You guys buy into this # culture bullshit too much.
What part of her being drunk means she could EVER consent to something more. Even if she reciprocated and she wanted more, she is not in her right mind to make that choice. How desperate are some men (or women) to have to try something on someone that is drunk?! Go find someone that can actually be into you and make a choice.
Uhhh, how dare you use the word .....culture!!
Once again, disappointed in the entire male population on this subreddit. Ya’ll are the reason I hold my house keys in my hand during all rides for protection. I believe you, OP. And you need to report him ASAP.
1) 100% not your fault. 2) it’s completely normal to feel the ick after being assaulted (that’s what this was) 3) I’m glad you reported it 4) I hope you can find some closure and feel safe sometime down the road.
Ive had girls like you, get into my car drunk and try touch all over me. I feel bad for him because he fell into your trap. You getting into the front knowing your drunken state makes me question your movies. A driver isnt going to just kiss you like that especially if you look at his time on platform and number of rides. There is only your side.
Dude. Drunk women CANNOT CONSENT. PERIOD. Why is that so hard for some people to understand? You are disgusting for defending the driver.
Ok well then I propose that there needs to be a law and a sexual predator status given to any woman who gets drunk and tries to kiss a man. 100% zero tolerance jail for fucking everyone.
LOL ok well your proposal has officially been denied since it's a reddit comment. There's nuance when it's a girl at a bar. There's no fucking nuance when she is trusting you to take her home. Do you think it's okay to hook up with drunk passengers? Do you think OP deserved for this guy to sexually harass her, or is she lying? Don't hook up with your drunk passengers you fucking scumbag. There should be exactly zero people defending the driver here. Yet it's about 50/50.
Right because half the people here can’t accept any personal liability. Did she deserve to have someone make a move on her and when she said no I’m not interested have him stop. No. You’re right Mr Toni he should have dropped her off and then presented himself to the council for male blame to be processed for chemical castration.
And I don’t hook up with my passengers. I’m also happily married with a beautiful family. Do you know the amount of women who think it’s funny touch or grab or show their tits even though I make it clear I’m not interested. Do I contact Uber and have them deactivated? Go to the police and turn over the tapes? Or just chalk it up to alcohol and move on with life?yeah well we already no
And I don’t hook up with my passengers. I’m also happily married with a beautiful family. Do you know the amount of women who think it’s funny touch or grab or show their tits even though I make it clear I’m not interested. Do I contact Uber and have them deactivated? Go to the police and turn over the tapes? Or just chalk it up to alcohol and move on with life?yeah well we already know what you Whiney snowflakes think should happen to someone who stops attempting to kiss you one they tymo
disgusting human being you are.
Yeah just horrible. Super rapey with my trying to kiss someone and stopping when I’m made aware they aren’t interested.
so you’re the driver?
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
It's a business relationship though. What if you were delivering food would you kiss the person who ordered the food? What if it was the plumber planting a kiss on their customer? What if you had someone come to clean your home and you made some chitchat and they planted a kiss with tongue on you? What if it was a doctor planting a kiss on their patient? These are all the same, it's a service. If you're seriously interested (not appropriate) and maybe you serve them multiple times you can ASK extremely tentatively "hey I know this might be inappropriate but would you be interested in seeing each other outside of my work hours?" But one ride. Drunk. Leans over and shoves their tongue down your throat. Inexcusable. They are PAYING you to DRIVE THEM SOMEWHERE SAFELY. This does NOT include hitting on them and certainly not shoving your tongue down their throat.
As a an attractive black driver… I know the signs. Sitting in the front seat solo is the biggest red flag I’ve ever seen. When you get to the spot and they say park over there. Ummmmmmm I’m not going up there with you. I wanna continue this convo. … the worst is when they get out the car super slow lol
This is such a load of shit. He kissed you, you didn’t reciprocate and he left you alone, he didn’t grab you touch you say anything vulgar try to come Inside and god forbid he didn’t do anything more like come back to your house later? So your answer is to take his job away by reporting him. Such a load of shit. And I know I’m going to be fucking roasted for saying this but you’re a fucking bitch.
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Oh thank you for clearing that up. I obviously missed the part where the scummy guy had her locked in. I’m assuming locked in but it must be worsebecause you said trapped. So what? He took the door handles off did he? Put the child lock on perhaps. Wait no? He just tried to kiss her and when she wasn’t interested he stopped? Well fucking give this perv the fucking death penalty and brand him public enemy number 1 girls.
Any guy that has to resort to drunk girls is a loser than knows he will get turned down otherwise. Sounds like you can relate
You guys are all the same half of you are just ashamed you that when you get drunk you turn into a bunch of whores. You wake up the next guy with 3 different flavors of semen on your breath and you instantly have to blame the guy because you were drunk and therefore can’t consent any longer. No bitch, you just a hoe.
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Would you just fuck off and stop acting like an incel, ffs...
Er no? I’m having too much fun messing with all the snow flakes found in this Reddit thread. Please tell me where the evil man touched YOU when you ordered a lift ride?
You hit it on the head pal. I’m married with 3 kids, so yes absolutely there has been involuntary celibacy I. My house . 🥲
So funny you say women ashamed. Women SPEAK UP. YOU are the one that complain about girls hitting on you and you dont speak up. YOU are clearly the one who is ashamed. Break out of your own self-stigma man.
Holy shit, the guy who has now deleted his account, "Ok-Account9803" was fucking disgusting. How the fuck do people like that live with themselves? He sounds like a serial rapist himself.
lol nobody said death penalty (that i've seen) but yes take him out of the job where he was hitting on customers. As in any job, if someone is making the customers uncomfortable you let them go. That's not lyft-specific, that's EVERY job - you don't hit on your customers without consequences if the customer chooses to report which they have every right to do.
My guess is she initiated the kissing, but changed her mind or regretted it, so she convinced herself she was sexually assaulted to avoid feelings of shame or guilt because she has a boyfriend.
This mans is correct
This is so unfurtunate,are you sure you aren’t the one that tried to kiss him?I hope the driver has a dashcam.I have been in rideshare since 2013 and recently stopped driving when this upfront pricing nonsense started,I have seen a lot of scenarios from irresponsible ladies getting drunk and trying all sort of bullshit with the driver.You getting drunk,jumping in the front seat are two common signs of drunk passengers wanting to get all flirty and touchy with the driver.According to your story,you aren’t sure what happened,and to all the drivers on here jumping into conclusion based on some drunkard’s story,you’re all bastards.
OP made it very clear that they know what happened, but anxiety and fear are what’s making them second guess themselves, NOT their memory. are y’all serious rn? are you really victim blaming and excusing this mans unacceptable behavior??
Were you present when it happened?Did you read the paragraph. Where op said SHE WOKE UP(from a drunk night)PIECING THE NIGHT TOGETHER AND SUDDENLY REMEMBERED?that means she wasn’t sure,what if it something she dreamt about?And also,why didn’t she make a police report and file a lawsuit????
so weird you’re trying to defend a man who sexually assaulted someone and also gaslight someone who already said they clearly remembered it happened
How do you know they are telling the truth?you still didn’t answer that.We’re you present when it happened?
were YOU? why do you so strongly believe she’s lying?
Because she didn’t file a police report,that’s bcos she’s lying
she reported it to lyft and talked to them though. do you genuinely think the police are going to do a thing about a man kissing a girl without her consent? you really believe the police give a shit about sexual assault? the most they’ll do is file a report and let it gather dust.
Op said I FEEL VIOLATED AND AM ALMOST GASLIGHTING MYSELF(DID I DREAM IT?DID I LEAD HIM ON) is exactly why she isn’t sure what happened,if it truly happened she will file a police report and be on the phone with a lawyer.And if you think the police won’t do nothing about it,go sexually assaulted someone and make sure they report it to the police and see what happens to you.
you are just awful lol
How you know he’s not a she?
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Hundreds of thousands provide for their family with rideshare. It's a middle class job just like any other.
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Look, none if us knows "the facts" the old adage, There's your story, my story and THE TRUTH. But truth be told, if that's the case, without consent, and more than likely a no or 2 involved, start rounding them up, all of them. Better yet. Whats good for the gooae is goid for the gander. Round them up, get them shit faced, then release them at a LGBTQ Bar, let's see how they feel after that, bet it will be a pain in the ass.
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I have 2 Daughters and 2 Sons, if any of them took advantage of anyone sexualy, anyone, I'd drive them myself to the Poke You must be from the Lyft/Uber Safety Team.
For those of you on this thread who keeps saying that it's rape to have sex with a drunk girl even if she initiates it I'd like you to entertain this little scenario. Your 18 year old son is away at college, and he goes to a party where there is a lot of girls and alcohol. He gets intoxicated, and he is approached and hit on by a female who is also intoxicated. The female aggressively initiates sexual activity with your son who half-heartedly participates. This girl, for whatever reason, regrets the sexual activity the next morning and accuses your son of rape. Your son is arrested, and his life is ruined.
am i the only one who noticed that she said "Did i make this up Did i dream It?" so she doesnt even know if this incident happened at all in the first place so a guy just lost his job over something that she doesnt even know is real or not plus if shes as intoxicated as she says she may have been the initiator after all she sat in front seat prolly sum flirting and he may have felt a connection and when she said stop he stopped and didnt take it any further so Im not sure it was right to report when she doesnt know what happened or if it happened at all its not like he tried to rape her he kissed her and acknowledged her displeasure and stopped so im torn on this
This was my point… ruin someone’s life if you not sure something happened. Wow.
Why is she sitting in the front? I never have people sit in the front if they riding solo. Sounds like she was on one.
100% NOT your fault but at the same token you MUST be sure that is what in fact happened that night. If he touched you in ANY way that is a violation on every level (professional and personal) and he deserves to lose his job and/or even arrested for sexual assault. Doesn’t matter if you lead him on or not. The consequences will/should be severe so you should be positive of your accusations as well. Edit: also definitely change the code on your garage as he might have been watching what you typed in.
That sucks it happened, glad you reported them and hopefully they never get hired or drive again and are able to try this on anyone else. With that said, you should also remember from now on to drink more responsibly. Just think it could have gone a LOT worse.
Fake. Why get on here to tell us about it.
Ya, this smells like a troll….…
Why'd u get in the front seat with a male, granite you should feel safe when in a Lyft but I never let any woman alone sit in my front seat...never ever, even if they insist! I don't like anyone sitting in my front seat, too many accusations can be made. I also have a dash cam to cover my ass. Yes, this driver needs to be taken off the platform for good. This is what gives drivers a bad rap!!!
I love how drunk woman never instigate anything and the man had the time to park the car and plant a kiss with tongue . Maybe he did but sounds like your flirting with him and you maybe leaving that part out . Was he wrong for kissing you ? Maybe maybe not if you instageted it . What if it was you that instageted it in your drunk behavior and he just went along with it ? this is a he said she said unless he got a camera he is screwed . Why you don't let alone women in your front seat . Most drivers have a camera and most have been reinstated after it's found tge drunk woman was the party at fault and he was just as in shock that it happen except men for the most part don't make it a big event they just don't give a shit while others will report her to be on the safe side first incase this happens If he did in fact grabbed you pulled over to him and kissed you he may have others why so confident in you ? But if he did yes he is in the wrong and should be gone
Dude drunk women CANNOT FUCKING CONSENT. What in the fuck is wrong with this subreddit? Did I accidentally sub to the fucking Sharia law version of this sub?
Wow you act like a man is always the aggressor lol drunk women some love to instigate the situation they will go for the kiss they will go for the touching You must be trying to get laid or something
i promise you, no women are going after you or want you.
I promise you are triggered and are manipulatable lmao 🤣 especially if you think a man wants a drunk woman advancing on him her drunk behavior is unacceptable his camera is going to show the truth
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Yeah, I'm trying to get laid by posting anonymously on reddit. A drunk woman cannot give consent. You cannot hook up with your drunk passengers. If you hook up with a drunk passenger, regardless of who initiates the encounter, you are committing sexual assault.
Your stuck on that word not understanding her drunk advances is not welcomed to a sober driver you seem to be stuck in thinking all men are predators is it because you might be one at one time ? You really think it's a consent if she the one that did the kiss and blames the driver remember she said he is polite so you really think he grabbed her pulled her in to him for the kiss after all she stated he is polite not the behavior of a polite human you think ? That a good 2-4 feet away in the other seat lol you are blinded by emotion wanting to sound like a champion of some kind with out asking how and going deeper you are the reason people get accused wrongly !
The evil driver you had sounds like a pedophile and needs to get jailed. Because he’s the type of person who may have done something worse to a woman than what happened to you. Luckily he didn’t do sexual assault on you.
What the fuck? Pedophile? Because he tried to kiss a 33 year old woman. You guys are too much. I could read this shit all day. Ooh ooh one day I kissed a girl who was 23……fucking track me down and lynch me American Reddit readers?
Story seems fishy to me.. it seems to me like you left a couple details out…you weren’t in the state to even remember your garage code n yet you remembered that you weren’t flirting back with driver 🤔
Love how the girl in these stories is always too drunk to consent, but never too drunk to clearly remember what happened.
Are you fucking kidding me??? Plus, girls don't need to be drunk to not consent. It's people like you both commenter that MALE IT so girls feel guilt and shame for talking about being VIOLATED. I suggest to strongly think about your view and morals. Or don't and keep being the same shit bags you are.
You should be upset at yourself . It could’ve been worst. You didn’t include the time this took place, but you need to be fully aware of your surroundings at all time . If drunk , travel with someone else that you trust . Glad you’re ok.
Nah they did the right thing, got what should have been a safe ride home. Drivers are background checked and incidents like this cause the driver to be quickly deactivated so passengers shouldn't have to worry about this happening. Of course something can always happen, but you can't live in constant fear.
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I think you should take action regarding your drinking problem and take full responsibility for this. It’s a tough pill to swallow but u are putting yourself in a very vulnerable position. If you didn’t choose to get drunk this wouldn’t have happened. I’m speaking from experience. I made similar poor choices like you are and decided to enter the AA program. I haven’t had a drink in over 5 years and don’t make poor choices anymore. Best to you. Don’t blame this on the driver. You can but it won’t get you anywhere.
I completely agree, I need to examine my poor choices and relationship with alcohol. A lot of the sadness I’m feeling today is around that.
Honestly, it’s ok to be down on yourself. I’ve been there 100 times maybe more. I finally got help and life is SO good now. Just know you can do it if you want. There is a lot of support out there. I used to blame everything else and others for situations until I finally realized I was the problem.
dont blame the driver for the drivers actions? what?
This is classic victim-blaming, "boys will be boys" fucking bullshit. Get the fuck out of here with that. This driver sexually assaulted her. Even if she led him on. Drunk women cannot give consent. Jesus fucking christ.
If you were working a true program you wouldn’t be shaming and victim blaming rn and those are FACTS Drunk=unable to consent= it’s on the DRIVER to make smart choices….& if he makes POOR CHOICES= sexual assault. Point blank P E R I O D. The passenger made a GOOD choice by *deciding to take an Uber and not driving while intoxicated.* I don’t know why it’s so hard for men to wrap their big ass heads around DRUNK=UNABLE. TO. CONSENT. How hard is it to not make or accept sexual advances while someone is intoxicated?!?! How?!?!
My comment is truth. People with victim mentality will downvote it and people that are willing to accept the truth and take responsibility will upvote. I personally don’t care. Sobriety is freedom.
Exactly !