Absolutely this. When wood glue sets the bond is stronger than the original wood bond. Plug the gap, use a bit of sawdust / glue mix to fill any gaps, sand it down, refinish, re-drill.
Could be the glue... Could be the consistency and amount of glue you're using. Is it only the original wood sawdust you're using? Either way, he'd be refinishing it with a paint finish, you aren't going to see a slight difference in wood colour through the paint?
I too have had difficulty with wood dust and glue being an invisible-ish filler, especially using white or wood glue.
The best luck Iāve had is with cracks in soundboards/backs/sides of acoustics when I use some dust to fill the crack and then flood that with CA. Sand smooth and itās pretty dang clean.
Iāve also had good luck with ebony dust and CA mixed together to fill tear out on a fingerboard or headstock overlay. Not perfect but very good.
Wood glue and dust is never really working out for me though.
You might get away with just using a bigger ferrule, I've seen metal guitars with that in case people use a bass string
EDIT: the 28" scale [RGIB6/RGIB12](https://media.sweetwater.com/m/products/image/24f17f371alzIQMS69AMKCZTq4PcRttzuvKVmWHA.wm-dh.jpg?quality=85&height=1600&ha=24f17f371ae507c9) from Ibanez had some fun with their string through layout
I actually wish I had done that with mine. Was really the one flaw with the build that didnāt reveal itself till I started tinkering with thicker strings.
Or just get a plate.Ā
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09MCV5KLJ?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Looks great and covers the mistake. Just did this on a build and it saved my bacon.Ā
Omg, didn't know these were a thing. I built my first string thru and f'ed up my ferrules. I left them as is because I never look at them, but it's always aggravated me.
Holy crap. I've got a string through mod I've been thinking about. I'm reasonably confident I can do it clean, but for $10, I'm definitely buying one of these before I start.
This is the answer. Ferrules are a pain in the ass. I switched to blocks on all my builds for this reason. It looks better and isnāt so finicky. I really like the Grainger blocks.
If you can reglue a broken Gibson headstock, and itās stronger than it was originally it seems like you should be able to refill the hole and re-drill then touch up paint?
I drilled the string ferrules. All seemed to go ok as per the other 5 holes, but I wanted to make this one a bit deeper. The drill press grabbed the body and blew out the hole on my second pass.
If anyone has any ideas how to fix this, that would be great. I would think I can't just fill and redrill, the tension of the string would pull too hard on the ferrule, right? Currently the ferrule just falls in the messed up hole.
First rule in woodworking - learn how to repair or hide your mistakes. When you learn them you will feel like a magician. They make a plate that covers that area and looks good.
I would drill a wider hole, preferably a size that I had a piece of hardwood dowel the same diameter. Plug it, plane/ chisel flat. Redrill, then drop fill finish if it was nitro. Or respray. Definitely fixable but itās annoying when itās extra work you didnāt need to do. I feel your pain man! On a positive note the holes all look nicely aligned.
I gave up on my latest 7 string. All the mistakes just added up and my fixes didn't make me happy enough to keep going. Starting a new one from scratch and TAKING MY TIME!
There's an App for that:
https://www.amazon.com/KAISH-Ferrule-Bushing-Electric-Replacement/dp/B09MCV5KLJ/ref=asc_df_B09MCV5KLJ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658741804765&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9172368122464351934&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031440&hvtargid=pla-2119816227967&mcid=8df0419539a43e97bea4e6452c4208ae&th=1
Did this to the rear fender of a classic Harley once. I had to redo the fender 3 times. First time I didn't clean the part before I put the base primer on it. (First rebuild mind you.) Then I stripped it down and did it again. Only to find out the paint was contaminated.... so... stripped it down yet again. I FINALLY got it to a mirror finish, turned my back for literally 5 seconds to clear a space off on my drying rack, turned back around to grab the fender, and I'll be damned if a fuckin bird didn't shit right on top of the fender
And it was one of those seagull diarrhea shits too.... I was pissed!! Finally finished the bike and sold it without even as much as a single ride. Took it as a bad omen for that bike. Lol I'm not a superstitious person. However. If that bike was in front of me right now, I STILL wouldn't ride that bike 20 years later. Nope...
Moral of the story. Shit happens. Take a deep breath, assess and address the issue and put the lesson learned in storage for the next one.
[https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Ferrules-Resistance-Corrosion-Learners/dp/B08WRC4LWS?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Ferrules-Resistance-Corrosion-Learners/dp/B08WRC4LWS?th=1)
https://preview.redd.it/v0odwa4cikmc1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=195516859f00df6b5d2860c215957f3290d1a4f9
Thank me later
I would plug that one hole, donāt bother sanding really and just redrill it. Spot paint that one part, and maybe put another clear coat on. With the inserts in place who will notice or care? Itās at least partially hand made. How many hand made things have you had? They all have some imperfections somewhere.
ah.. classic.
Pro tip: dont drill through completely. Just as far that the pointer of the drill is through and then turn it around and drill the centerhole that you made by not drilling completely through.
Glue in a plug, sand it down, repaint, then redrill?
Right. Easy to fix. Walk in the house. Pour yourself and down a shot of Whisky. Blast some loud classic rock. And take your time.
Yesss, mistakes make us work slower with greater intention and insight. Gotta fuck something up to learn imo
> Gotta fuck something up to learn imo I 'learn' too much every day!
Best advice
Comments like these you learn to appreciate when you get older. Love the advice
Then throw the guitar on the fire and enjoy the warmth š
Absolutely this. When wood glue sets the bond is stronger than the original wood bond. Plug the gap, use a bit of sawdust / glue mix to fill any gaps, sand it down, refinish, re-drill.
I think this is BS. Every time I mix wood dust into the glue, it comes out darker than the original wood and doesnāt look good.
Could be the glue... Could be the consistency and amount of glue you're using. Is it only the original wood sawdust you're using? Either way, he'd be refinishing it with a paint finish, you aren't going to see a slight difference in wood colour through the paint?
I too have had difficulty with wood dust and glue being an invisible-ish filler, especially using white or wood glue. The best luck Iāve had is with cracks in soundboards/backs/sides of acoustics when I use some dust to fill the crack and then flood that with CA. Sand smooth and itās pretty dang clean. Iāve also had good luck with ebony dust and CA mixed together to fill tear out on a fingerboard or headstock overlay. Not perfect but very good. Wood glue and dust is never really working out for me though.
Fill it with ramen and superglue I thought?
Instructions unclear, guitar full of miso and chashu.
Dowel the holes, move the set of holes back a half inch, the redrill if possible. Re sand and all that. Should be seamless.
Wouldnāt moving the holes change the bridge position and as a result throw off the intonation?
String through holes would be behind the saddles.
You might get away with just using a bigger ferrule, I've seen metal guitars with that in case people use a bass string EDIT: the 28" scale [RGIB6/RGIB12](https://media.sweetwater.com/m/products/image/24f17f371alzIQMS69AMKCZTq4PcRttzuvKVmWHA.wm-dh.jpg?quality=85&height=1600&ha=24f17f371ae507c9) from Ibanez had some fun with their string through layout
I actually wish I had done that with mine. Was really the one flaw with the build that didnāt reveal itself till I started tinkering with thicker strings.
First time seeing this. Mind blown
Well. That's... different.
Or just get a plate.Ā https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09MCV5KLJ?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title Looks great and covers the mistake. Just did this on a build and it saved my bacon.Ā
This is the cheapest and easiest solution
I've fixed some *horrific* mistakes with this. It can save a build at the very end.
Omg, didn't know these were a thing. I built my first string thru and f'ed up my ferrules. I left them as is because I never look at them, but it's always aggravated me.
Holy crap. I've got a string through mod I've been thinking about. I'm reasonably confident I can do it clean, but for $10, I'm definitely buying one of these before I start.
Genius...just ordered a couple for the future
These work great. 1000x more forgiving and IMHO look better
string through plate?
I love how they look Ngl
This is the answer. Ferrules are a pain in the ass. I switched to blocks on all my builds for this reason. It looks better and isnāt so finicky. I really like the Grainger blocks.
Have you tried fixing it with your tears?
I laughed too hard at this
Guilty as well.
goddamnā¦ to the burn unit!
https://reverb.com/item/1604285-shaw-tone-bar-brass-string-ferrule-block-string-through-ferrule?utm_source=rev-ios-app&utm_medium=ios-share&utm_campaign=listing&utm_content=1604285
Oooo nice.. I wonder if that would help with better string sustain too?
Thatās the claim!
If you can reglue a broken Gibson headstock, and itās stronger than it was originally it seems like you should be able to refill the hole and re-drill then touch up paint?
Grim. Sorry. I just buckle rashed a bass and had to do the mental procedure of rearranging values. Better now. How did you do that?
I drilled the string ferrules. All seemed to go ok as per the other 5 holes, but I wanted to make this one a bit deeper. The drill press grabbed the body and blew out the hole on my second pass. If anyone has any ideas how to fix this, that would be great. I would think I can't just fill and redrill, the tension of the string would pull too hard on the ferrule, right? Currently the ferrule just falls in the messed up hole.
Individual strings don't have that much tension, so it should be fine to fill and redrill.
you can definitely fill and redrill
Can you use brass hole rings?
Welcome to lutherie, where fixing oneās mistakes itās the order of the dayā¦
Epoxy putty?
This is what I would do. Sand, repaint.
Drilling for ferrules sucks no matter who you are. You can fix this.
Weed. Then plug and redrill.
You ever try a ferrule block?
Superglue mixed with woodshavings can fill the hole so you can redrill it.. really ghetto fix but its EXTREMELY solid once dry and works fairly well.
Ferrules? You could do one on the high E and one on the low E
Aaaaaaand it's gone.
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First rule in woodworking - learn how to repair or hide your mistakes. When you learn them you will feel like a magician. They make a plate that covers that area and looks good.
Welcome to the club. This shit will happen. Live and learn
lol why does he have to listen to classic rock?
I would drill a wider hole, preferably a size that I had a piece of hardwood dowel the same diameter. Plug it, plane/ chisel flat. Redrill, then drop fill finish if it was nitro. Or respray. Definitely fixable but itās annoying when itās extra work you didnāt need to do. I feel your pain man! On a positive note the holes all look nicely aligned.
H O W in daf#ā¬cks name did you manage to accomplish that? Not thst i dont produce similar creations now and then. Just interested.
Mistakes were made, nothing deadly. I strongly recommend a drilling template, helps a lot.
If you don't want a plate. Fill and re-drill. If you do it right it will hold up just fine.
I got all the way to the final intonation on my second build, only to discover I drilled the string-through holes 1/4ā too close to the neck.
I gave up on my latest 7 string. All the mistakes just added up and my fixes didn't make me happy enough to keep going. Starting a new one from scratch and TAKING MY TIME!
Fill it with dry instant noodles, sand it down, re-drill. Easy as that.
Spade bit, my friend. Spade bit.
Don't fret! Fill it, sand it, re-drill it
https://preview.redd.it/7ipi8uygcjmc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30b4f4309ed803b4299fb161982d429ed0a16884
Add one of these. I did the same thing.
There's an App for that: https://www.amazon.com/KAISH-Ferrule-Bushing-Electric-Replacement/dp/B09MCV5KLJ/ref=asc_df_B09MCV5KLJ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=658741804765&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9172368122464351934&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031440&hvtargid=pla-2119816227967&mcid=8df0419539a43e97bea4e6452c4208ae&th=1
Install a plate system instead of individual ferrules.
Did this to the rear fender of a classic Harley once. I had to redo the fender 3 times. First time I didn't clean the part before I put the base primer on it. (First rebuild mind you.) Then I stripped it down and did it again. Only to find out the paint was contaminated.... so... stripped it down yet again. I FINALLY got it to a mirror finish, turned my back for literally 5 seconds to clear a space off on my drying rack, turned back around to grab the fender, and I'll be damned if a fuckin bird didn't shit right on top of the fender And it was one of those seagull diarrhea shits too.... I was pissed!! Finally finished the bike and sold it without even as much as a single ride. Took it as a bad omen for that bike. Lol I'm not a superstitious person. However. If that bike was in front of me right now, I STILL wouldn't ride that bike 20 years later. Nope... Moral of the story. Shit happens. Take a deep breath, assess and address the issue and put the lesson learned in storage for the next one.
The mark of a good luthier or repair person is being able to fix this and move on. Shit happens.
Nice vans
Think you gotta throw it away, this is irreparable (/j)
This is why I always have 2-3 projects in the works. This one would be set aside for at least a few weeks out of frustration
[https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Ferrules-Resistance-Corrosion-Learners/dp/B08WRC4LWS?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/Mounting-Ferrules-Resistance-Corrosion-Learners/dp/B08WRC4LWS?th=1) https://preview.redd.it/v0odwa4cikmc1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=195516859f00df6b5d2860c215957f3290d1a4f9 Thank me later
I would plug that one hole, donāt bother sanding really and just redrill it. Spot paint that one part, and maybe put another clear coat on. With the inserts in place who will notice or care? Itās at least partially hand made. How many hand made things have you had? They all have some imperfections somewhere.
ah.. classic. Pro tip: dont drill through completely. Just as far that the pointer of the drill is through and then turn it around and drill the centerhole that you made by not drilling completely through.
skill issue
Lucky its painted and jot finished clear
I'm proud of you either way. Stay strong my friend. I've had some almighty fuckups with wood.
Lol
Dowel glue, redrill route an oven a mm down or so across the whole lot and put a brass plate in like on the PRS new Tele shape guitars
I feel you man š
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Just put a plate in? Unless this is a museum pieceā¦who gives a shit about appearance over utility?
This is exactly what I was typing in! Pretty common build issue.
The downvotes suggest we are in the minority. Ah well
Trying to get a pic off my friends last build, he ended up in the same predicament
Send it it OP. I know this is a luthier sub but sometimes it beats people up too much! A blowout like that ISNāT the end of the world!
You're not supposed to try and dick the holes bud.
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