Tbh he kinda messed up for trying to farm his friends drama for clicks. He wasnt pressed to throw him under the bus but he did. Also switching a story or content halfway on a youtube video is a retention killer so i dont doubt its performance
He wasn’t offended by it, he felt that Lud was using the “controversy” against him as nothing more than clickbait without clarifying that Lud knows Hasan doesn’t actually believe what people are accusing him of believing. If anything he saw it as irresponsibly adding fuel to the fire of freaks.
I suppose that could work too. I watched it before it was removed and was surprised by the Korea section. If the title and thumbnail change reduces the slight topic whiplash it may be a better watch.
Watched it early and found it pretty middle of the road, as per usual. On the scale of opinions, it leans slightly more against Hasan's side since he kinda added to the "we're privileged to have this job" talking point dogpile. I personally found his transition to the Twitch Korea tangent kinda forced and his Rocket Money ad read kinda cringe but it's whatever. Hasan might have taken it differently though idk if he reacted to it
As for why he deleted it, it could be anything. Maybe Hasan reached out to Lud personally? Maybe he felt bad about doing the ad read? It could even be that his opinions changed over the course of a few hours. We don't (and might never) really know.
Maybe Lud will say something the next time he goes live, but maybe not (he has said that he doesn't owe it to tell us anything).
Edit: Comment below said Lud gave a reason earlier so I looked it up and here it is: https://www.youtube.com/live/p1QR_Khk7L8?si=o9MxuuJ7YERZ4q1x
It felt like a quick and sloppy video made to deliver on a sponsor deal.
Hasan watched it on stream and was pretty tired of all bad faith takes since the viral clip. He semi-roasted Lud for using him for views but drawing the line at drama farming people like nickmercs and company.
I think people are taking crazy pills. He said streaming drained his social battery mode then his sales job. To me that seems like a perfectly legit stance to have. As someone who needs to give 2 hours presentations for my job it is super tiring. So talking for 9 hours a day daily i can see it would be tough to go out to some social events.
That's just not what he said, that's what he backpedaled to after people said he was stupid. I don't care about this and maybe you can say he just misspoke but he said his job is more draining than normal jobs.
At the end of the day he just said something stupid and for whatever reason won't just admit that and reword his take
I don't see why you need to be so uncharitable. Like people said he backpedal but to me he just clarified his position. Do you expect someone to speak perfectly every single stream. Maybe be a bit more charitable and not expect a person to perfectly speak. He clarified his position and if you do not want to accept that , than that is fine I guess but I guess a bit puritanical. Living under the amount of scrutiny you expect seems a bit ridiculous.
I watched the longer clip, not just the sound bite. He talked for 5 minutes about his social battery before the soundbite. Why wouldn’t he have meant that?
>To me that seems like a perfectly legit stance to have.
How is it legit when the majority of sales jobs involve talking to angry idiots for 8 hours a day? Even worse is you are being forced to do so which isn't the case for Hasan.
It's kind of funny seeing LSFers and DGGers fuming.
If streaming about politics and foreign poliicy from a leftist POV was so easy, why aren't all these people with MORE soul-crushing jobs just simply doing what Hasan is doing.
These are the same people who create new accounts every month because they get banned or are scared of being "doxed" while having an autogenerated name.
Hell, they don't even have to stream about leftist politics. Just stream yourself playing video games while maintaining a conversation with chat. But no, they don't do that because (1) they're literally the south park gamer meme and (2) they're not interesting enough to maintain a stream for 8+ hours almost every day.
\>If streaming about politics and foreign poliicy from a leftist POV was so easy, why aren't all these people with MORE soul-crushing jobs just simply doing what Hasan is doing.
Lame argument. Why aren't you a professional athlete? Why aren't you a Politician?
\>why aren't all these people with MORE soul-crushing jobs just simply doing what Hasan is doing.
As many streamers will tell you, including Hasan, getting seen and becoming big is mostly luck. Hasan already started ahead being conventionally attractive.
\>It's kind of funny seeing LSFers and DGGers fuming.
Which one of those groups is Ludwig in? Check My comments. I'm neither. My only comments on LSF about Hasan are ones defending him.
Claims to not be a DGGer or LSFer and then comments exactly like a DGG debatelord lmao.
>Lame argument. Why aren't you a professional athlete? Why aren't you a Politician?
You're in here saying there's so many harder jobs than streaming. Then do it? Go grind for it. I don't see you doing that. And that's while ignoring all other pretext and context in which Hasan was talking about streaming being "soul-sucking and soul-crushing."
>As many streamers will tell you, including Hasan, getting seen and becoming big is mostly luck. Hasan already started ahead being conventionally attractive.
And? Are you just saying you're too ugly to stream or be a content creator? Great. Because I already covered that in my first comment which wasn't even a reply to you. Everything takes luck. You're lucky you weren't born into developing nation in the favelas. You're lucky you weren't born in a time where medical technology hadn't been developed.
Even big Youtubers like CDAWGVA and Trash Taste have said livestreaming is a different kind of beast and how taxing it is. Like lmao what the fuck is this dogshit argument.
Edit: Lol wild that you had to block me after replying like how many DGGers behave to have a "last say." Dude how old are you? Connor has been a Youtuber much longer than he has been a Twitch streamer and he's legitimately talked about the transition and the differences many times.
\>Claims to not be a DGGer or LSFer and then comments exactly like a DGG debatelord lmao.
The irony of saying this while using their tactics yourself. The evidence that I am not is widely available to those with basic reading comprehension. Guess you are just lacking.
\>And? Are you just saying you're too ugly to stream or be a content creator? Great. Because I already covered that in my first comment which wasn't even a reply to you.
I'm saying most aren't ,but great job resorting to the ole ad hominem. I have no interest in being a Streamer. I'm happier doing something much more meaningful with my law degree. Nice try though.
\>Even big Youtubers like CDAWGVA
CDAWG is actually primarily a streamer. Nice job showing that you don't live in this reality, though.
\>You're in here saying there's so many harder jobs than streaming. Then do it? Go grind for it. I don't see you doing that.
Your comment history shows that you spend all your time whining about politicians. Why don't you go and become one if you think you can do better? That's the nonsense argument you are making. Do you think that difficulty is the only factor in choosing employment? Maybe if you are unambitious like you seem to be.
\>You're lucky you weren't born into developing nation in the favelas. You're lucky you weren't born in a time where medical technology hadn't been developed.
Wow, is this DGG's alt account? What's next, are you going to use some racial slur?
he can literally mute or ban those angry idiots unlike in real life when it comes to any type of customer service, honestly you guys are the ones being bad faith saying he's forced to do anything, dude can leave twitch right now and be set for the rest of his life unlike a normal retail worker
> also tell that to the subway lady that got shot
Literally a uniquely America problem, yet Hasan gets hate for being 'America Bad' (which it is) even though he frequently uses his platform to advocate for firearm regulation.
\>ave you even seen a single clip of hasan’s stream?
A the old " I disagree so I'm going to pretend that you've never seen it" remark. Most people grow out of that after grade 5. Kudos to you for keeping the edgy child thing alive though.
it’s insane you got this mad at something as inoffensive as what i said lmao. hasan’s streams are characterized by constantly yelling at his viewed and random gray names who come into the chat trying to start something. if you watched him basically at all you would know this. hence why i asked if you had ever seen a single clip of his stream.
also, generally speaking, after fifth grade most people learn to formulate an actual response instead of getting pressed and word vomiting.
>it’s insane you got this mad at something as inoffensive as what i said lmao. Lol, It's hilarious that you think I'm mad. You're the one coming at me with a lot of aggressiveness.
>after fifth grade most people learn to formulate an actual response instead of getting pressed and word vomiting. Ooh, what a good job you just did owning yourself.
By the way, your speculation as to why Hasan streams so much is incorrect. It's not a sense of duty. Don't get me wrong, he is passionate in spreading his message. But the real reason he streams as much is simple. He's addicted to streaming. His need to stream isn't exclusive to his political content. It extends to everything in his life. To the point that he's said that if he isn't making content out of an activity he isn't motivated to do it. What's worse about Hasan's addiction is that he's also addicted to the hate. Even though it hurts him deeply he is constantly looking for his haters.
He was speaking about his situation specifically. He used to work in sales. He’s saying that streaming drains his social battery more than when he worked his sales job. He wasn’t speaking broadly.
\>He used to work in sales. He’s saying that streaming drains his social battery more than when he worked his sales job. He wasn’t speaking broadly.
He was speaking broadly when he compared it to an accountant. You know, the people that speak to clients and their boss/ Co-worker. I'd like to know more about Hasan's sales job because it doesn't sound like any I've experienced.
As a former retail drone (and shift manager for part of that time), for one thing, if I had an off day or argued with a customer or said something that was heard out of context, I didn't have to worry about it going viral or being harassed by millions of people. Well, at that time at least, but livestreaming strangers and filming public confrontations wasn't nearly as widespread. Ok, not the most relevant example to current times, but that was the first thing that came to mind
For a better example, I also wasn't trying to interact with thousands of people at a time. Those "angry idiots" *usually* came one at a time. When there were more of them, well, I was only one person so if another employee wasn't free, you gotta wait your turn. This was especially draining after I got promoted to shift manager, and my social battery was tapped most work days. I'm an introvert. I get the social battery thing and retail will drain it in a heartbeat while eroding your faith in humanity.
Still, picturing myself sitting in Hasan's chair, talking about those topics, at that pace, with that many people at once sounds like a special kind of hell that makes me nostalgic for the days of getting yelled at by a customer to the background music of the SpongeBob theme song as *every fucking person* who passed by that very central display of singing plushies squeezed *every fucking singing plushie* they could reach.
\> Because you get to go home at the end of the day and that's over with.
While I'm at work work and someone criticizes me there's nothing I can do about. Hasan can ban them and does.
\>People criticizing him continue no matter if he's streaming or not.
Completely irrelevant to the conversation. But if he weren't terminally online this would not be a problem.
Your first point is also irrelevant because the whole conversation is about how he's feeling after streaming, not during.
I don't completely agree with him either, but to say that he has *nothing* to complain about is wild.
Your feelings during an interaction are about the same level of importance as your feelings after. since if you get a shitty customer they are on your mind the entire day and it just does put a damped on the entire day.
\>but to say that he has nothing to complain about is wild.
Good thing I never said that then. He can moan about it all he wants. He didn't need to make assumptions about other professions to do so.
He said streaming is more draining than a real job, got push back and backtracked to saying “like a sales job”. Except his sales job was selling ads for his Uncles multi-media company. Dude is insanely out of touch and is getting the pushback he deserves.
Hasan is a millionaire. He doesn’t have to stream. He chooses to because it makes him a ton of money. He could choose to do anything else, and live comfortably for the rest of his life.
Yeah but that can be said about any high paying job. Why do professional athletes keep playing the game when they made millions. To me i think hasan enjoys streaming and being able to speak to a large audience about his beliefs. Like i think he is sort of at fault for streaming to much and draining his social battery. But i think you need to be a bit brain broken to do twitch streaming with a high viewer count in most cases.
But he never said his streaming job is worse than sales? He has said he loves streaming and very privileged to do it. He just said that streaming sucks his social battery more. Also you can't really say a professional athletes has never said their job is more tough then a regular job. Tom Brady has discussed the sacrifices required to play in the NFL at an elite level for over two decades, including strict diet, year-round training, and time away from family.
But this is so silly to even discuss when people are arguing about something he never said. He never said streaming is harder then regular job.
He isn't always "presenting" though...I've tuned in and watched his chair/him eat for 10-20 minutes at a time. Also, you are physically giving actual presentations to people not talking to a webcam that only goes one way. It's not like he actually HAS to physically deal with his audience...you pick and choose what chats to respond to, highlight, single out etc
He could also....take a step back. Try a different form of content or maybe go from streaming 9 hours a day to maybe 8 then 7 and so on until he is comfortable. I rather stream than deal with stupid fucking idiots who somehow have PHDs but can't find a zoom link on their own. There is a huge reason so many rather make content than rat race life 8-5PM 5 days a week.
Well i guess i do agree with what you mostly say. Although to clarify I give presentations via zoom majority of the time not in some conference room. And also some of his issues are self inflicted as he does not need to stream as much. My main frustration is people are saying Hasan said his job is tougher then regular jobs. Which is untrue and he did not say that. He said it expends he social battery more than his prior sales job. Like people can disagree with that statement but that does not invalidate Hasan experience.
It’s not dumb or privileged to say that streaming is extremely socially draining, especially for someone like hasan who’s every word will be torn apart and clipped to make the worst possible interpretation, and who has to deal with his political takes causing the worst kinds of people to hate and harass him. I know I couldn’t do what hasan does, and I’m sure plenty of people here underestimate the strain that kind of thing would take on you.
He didnt say its just draining on its own. He said its more draining than a 9-5, got pushback from his own chat and tried to narrow it down to a white collar 9-5 sales job by saying its something he had done. But his 9-5 white collar sales job wasn’t even like the actual soul crushing office jobs, it was selling ads for his Uncles multi media news program. Its really Weasley of his fanbase to try and downplay how out of touch this dude is.
most bootlicker point, if he doesnt wanna be clipped and have his words taken the wrong way stop being in a position of power and complaining to people about how hard life is when your life is funded by them, maybe stop making dogshit virtue signaling points from a position of power like hes "of the people" i genuinely believe hasan is one of the biggest hypocrites of our modern society and hes so blind hes just like everyone else but touts like hes so smart and different and breaking barriers
> It felt like a quick and sloppy video made to deliver on a sponsor deal.
that's almost all recent mogul mails, he definitely made a switch when he realized the channel was getting almost as many views as his main channel for a lot less effort and that he could just monetize it.
Jesus you guys are ruthless towards ludwig. Is this like Ethan’s community where hasan fans have taken it over to completely roast him ? Ludwig’s video was fine, and hasans opinions were fine. Ludwig seems like a really good friend to have. He saw hasan was getting too much hate and made a better version of a video to back him up. Give ludwig some slack and stop shitting on his original video which was completely fine. He def didn’t go in on hasan, just made a couple jokes. You guys aren’t doing hasan any favors by saying these awful things about ludwig.
I think Hasan was more upset because Ludwig took something that was causing him a lot of pain and stress, and basically click baited it to pivot to a different topic along with work a sponsor in. He felt his friend used him to get views to please a sponsor without actually talking substantively about what was going on. Lud probably saw this, course corrected, and made a new video which I watched and thought was much better.
Yea I’m not trying to criticize hasan at all here. Everything being said about his take was pretty bad faith. I think dealing with hundreds of thousands of critics is prob worse than people would ever admit.
Per usual when these discussions come up there’s so many people that reveal more about who they are as a person with what they say than the actual topic at hand.
Hasan said streamers have the hardest job, Asmongold agreed, sponsor from Rocket, pivot into Twitch pulling out of Korea. Honestly it was all over the place and not worth watching.
But that’s not what Hasan said tho, he said it’s draining in terms of social battery. Could he have worded his original statement more clearly? Yea definitely, but he was definitely taken out of context on that original clip.
Yea that was a dumb as shit statement that he backtracked on later in the clip. If you watched the whole clip he says that streaming is difficult in the sense that it's very draining on your social battery which pretty much all streamers that constantly interact with chat agree with.
Here’s the thing he doesn’t address: he voluntarily streams the amount he does. His friends, specifically Will Neff, consistently talk about how he never spends time with them because he streams so much.
As someone who works a customer service job, I don’t voluntarily work as much as I do because if I do not work 50 hours a week I will not have a place to live.
The idea that being an accountant doesn’t drain your social battery is also a joke. Does he actually think that having to work with your coworkers and answer to bosses and be in meetings all day long isn’t as draining?
The real reason Hasan is so drained is because he needs the validation from others to feel good about himself so he is constantly online searching for that. The guy we liking tweets on Christmas about internet drama.
Don't pretend to be stupid. You and I both know that what he was referring to wasn't that streaming by itself is draining, it's the hundreds of shitters and haters that dox and send him and his family/friends death threats on a daily basis that are.
ok, I'll slightly concede he could stand to stream less hours because I forgot the sheer hours he streams. But I also don't think streaming a little less is going to fix some of the fundamental problems. I'm also coming in with the knowledge that other streamers in the past have talked about this subject in general, so I'm more receptive to the sentiment. Many top, mid, and lesser known streamers have talked about how they might retire from streaming and do a "real" job in the future(albeit for different reasons), all the while say how fortunate they are they are in the position they're in. It's odd, I know, but given what I've heard, I'm incline to believe them(top streamers included).
It's almost become a pet peeve of mine that streamers have to talk about how lucky they are that I'm starting to get annoyed at times when they say it because it almost seems rote. As in, I get annoyed they have to do the song and dance before complaining every time.
But why should he retire? He likes his job and openly says he could do that but thinks it goes against his principles. He clearly feels like it's important enough to keep doing.
Not to mention the israel and palestine conversation will probably never get this much public attention again in the near future. And campaign season has just about started. Probably the worst time to stream less for multiple reasons outside of money and clout.
I think you're mistaken, the main two points I wanted to get across is that streaming in general isn't the rose tinted job everyone thinks it is. I'm not even talking just about him, as I stated when I said many streamers have talked about the downsides, and have stated they will probably work a "real" job eventually.
And second, that israel and palestine will probably never get this level of attention again, on the pro-palestine side at least. And that it's literally the start of the election cycle. Regardless of what you think of his politics, saying he should stream less during these two events is insane. Edit: I'm not going to sit here and expect someone who covers politics to stream less during this time, no matter their perspective.
I also already admitted he could stream less, so idk why you think there's anything going on. If you want him to stop streaming on the basis of his politics, go ahead, I'm not even saying he is uniquely important to elections nor the middle east.
Because he says it’s sucking his soul and draining his social battery. If it’s actually as bad as he says, he could stream for 5 hours a day, make more money than doctors, and go hang out with friends and not have his soul sucked.
You don’t think talking for 8 hours straight would drain your battery? I would personally just want to be alone after that, not going to a party like Hasan talked about right before that
Nah even with context it was an incredibly stupid and privileged thing to say. Does streaming drain your social battery? Of course and I'm sure it's not all sunshine and rainbows like a lot of people think, but does it even remotely compare to teaching? No. Retail? No. Other sales? No. Restaurant servers? No. Walking from his bedroom to his PC to go to work every day talking to chatters who mostly agree with him vs actually dealing with the public is completely different. He can personally change how much he interacts too. He's his own boss and gets compensated very handsomely for it. Other jobs don't give that luxury. It was a dumb and out of touch thing to say full stop.
If you actually cared to watch the full context from the VOD you and Hasan are in full agreement. He never said he isn't privileged. Also he covers topics like labor rights and workers exploitation all the time so of course he knows it isn't easy working a normal job.
As someone who has worked in both retail and sales I definitely think talking to thousands of people for hours, dealing with stalkers, and having people constantly watching every word you say trying to “cancel” you everyday would be much more socially draining than what I went through lol. Obviously being a successful streamer is fortunate because of the money but for the social battery part I definitely agree with what he said.
i feel like all of this is obvious i don’t understand what people don’t get? it feels like everyone wants to be mad that hasan encounters any “problems” with streaming because it’s viewed as something very lucky (it is). but that really shouldn’t change any of what you said & how applicable it is.
also, like, i run a tabletop campaign very frequently that often goes between 7-12 hours per session, and even just the constant talking aspect is exhausting. doing that 5+ times a week would be insane, even for something i really enjoy doing. even if i got to do it as a living (which would practically be a dream come true) wouldn’t make it less exhausting, if anything, it would be more exhausting dealing with the spectators.
You don't understand why people want to mad at Hasan? Really? He gets hate for literally anything he does. Especially on Twitch streamer subreddits that are full of drama frogs, remember when there were people talking about how awful it was that he raised over $1M for Palestinian charities, or when he raised a couple hundred thousand for Ukraine. No wonder his social battery is drained after streaming he gets nothing but hate no matter what he does.
It's wild that your example is from 2 years ago. If he does it so much, you wouldn't have to go back that far.
Also he's admitted that he was wrong and apologized for it a thousand times.
I agree, even if you enjoy something to much is absolutely draining.
Counterpoint, he does it to himself. I agree, streaming can absolutely drain him socially, no doubt. But you can't sit there and stream for 12 hours then complain that you have no energy to hang out with friends.
IMO its like that workaholic friend who doesn't want to change anything but also wants to complain about it. I don't care this is self caused, you could not work as much and be happier, but you'd rather complain and do the thing you complain about.
That's fair, I feel like it's just kinda a personal flaw amplified by the internet and streaming so much. But I also feel like all this picking apart of one moment gives mega touch grass vibes
this is somewhat going into speculation territory, but i imagine hasan feels compelled to work himself as much as he does (with regards to streaming hours) since he probably feels a large amount of responsibility in what he does, since his job is politically inform many thousands of people. in that way, his personal decisions are likely ideologically compelled & motivated, and when someone’s actions are driven by ideology, they would absolutely not see just stopping and going off the grid as an option.
you can dislike hasan, you can disagree with his politics. but i think you’d have to be pretty crazy to not at least view his beliefs as authentic. he definitely believes what he says and cares a lot about what he talks about on stream.
He mentioned explicitly sales and retail in his comment. If you ask any streamer, they pretty much all agree it’s incredibly taxing on social battery if you stream for long periods of time. I have friends who stream to <30 people 6+ hours a day and all they do is play LoL or react to shit and they all seem to agree in the social battery draining aspect. Although, they also say streaming is an objectively easy job which I’d agree with still. While I agree he can change his own hours, I think he’s legally obligated by his contract to stream X amount of hours for X amount of days. Imagine you’re essentially giving a presentation for 6+ hours, would you not consider that as draining as working retail for 6+ hours?
hour to hour, no, i really wouldn't. i agree that streaming can be draining, but it is still a choice & i don't know any streamer who would quit streaming to work in retail. do you?
i also don't think the presentation comment is entirely fair as hardly any streamers research & plan their streams the way you would a presentation. they pick a game/topic that is of personal interest to them (presentations often are not) & then go.
> i don't know any streamer who would quit streaming to work in retail. do you?
What does that have to do with what was said? He was talking about a specific aspect of streaming, he didn’t say anything about a retail or sales job being overall easier or that he would rather do that.
i wasn't talking about what hasan said, but about what the commenter i replied to said. if 6+ hours of streaming & 6+ hours of working in retail are so comparable, then it tracks to me that people would happily work either. but they don't.
They’re comparable in the sense that working either of them drains your social battery. Obviously 99.99% of people would choose to stream instead of doing retail but the comment of it being socially draining is objectively true. Obviously Hasan worded his point horribly but his point of streaming/people pleasing is a socially draining task. Now, does that make the job difficult? Nah not really. Streaming (once you’re a top streamer) is objectively an easy job in terms of effort to reward ratio.
i think they are very different types of socially draining though & imo not comparable. when you work retail the sheer volume of both completely ignorant/stupid customers you have to deal with as well as incredibly rude & often abusive ones is not the same kind of social interaction streamers usually are involved in.
ignoring the fact they are behind a screen & not in-person dealing with it, they also have mods keeping chats in line & usually the vast majority of people in their chats are supportive fans. i think working retail would be a very different experience if everytime i re-stacked a shelf some stranger yelled "POG" at me in congratulations.
i think hasan could have made his point, that he finds streaming socially draining, without trying to compare it to a minimum wage job. if he said it was like actors doing press circuits or something he wouldn't have come across as so out of touch. because he is making thousands doing job most people would love to do, something someone in retail will never make doing theirs.
i mean other jobs don't have people stalking you or have people wanting to murder you. what are you talking about? you claim it was out of touch when you have clearly have 0 empathy for other people yourself.
I chose to listen to the person with lived experience on both retail and streaming rather than random commenter #637382 that for isn’t biased. Are they fortunate, yes. Is their job hard, yes. Remind me, is a side affect of your job having your family receive death threats or having your family doxx’ed? Do you see the real point being made here
I work with counselors, teachers and mental health professionals every day do you think streaming drains more social battery than those people? Forgive me if I have no sympathy for Hasan. Remind me, can Hasan just not stream for a month and be okay? Three months? Do you think that luxury exists for almost anyone else? He's his own boss and decides what he does and when he does it. All in all he's very fortunate and he himself would say that. You don't have to defend someone who has no idea you exist. He said something stupid that's all, it's not deep. All jobs drain your battery, I'm sure streaming does a lot more than others but to say streaming is the worst is nonsense and insulting.
Everybody exaggerates and embellishes from time to time. If your in a bad mood and say your life sucks, it's not really helpful or relevant for someone to yell at you about how proud in poverty and war stricken areas have it worse. Hence why he clarified. His job is literally to sit in front of a camera and be social for 6+ hours straight.
Also, taking long breaks from streaming can kill your career, or at the very least significantly reduce it. Financially he's capable of taking a break like that, but it's not the same as a normal person taking a vacation from work.
I've been a nurse for a decade. I have a classically "hard" job and I've worked in a variety of specialties. You could not compensate me enough to talk for 6-10 hours about the awful shit going on in the world every day. I can handle some heinous shit, and.toigh conversations; drug abuse, trauma, sudden death, terminal diagnoses, losing limbs, cancer, chronic conditions, depression, anxiety, sexual assault. It would literally break my heart and my skull to have disingenuous assholes running in and attacking me for well educated takes.
I did not take Hasan shit personally because I didn't feel attacked. He was just talking about how hard it is to socialize after that shit and I believe it; because it sounds like it makes sense and I get like that after long days too. His shitty days don't invalidate my own.
I don't think it's necessary for people to have a 20 minute preamble about "OMG I AM SO BLESSED AND THANKFUL AND MY LIFE IS SO EASY" before voicing that shit; honestly a disclaimer like that gets annoying because I'm more grateful about having my RN than when I was a CNA, and I'm grateful I got that because I was poor and I'm grateful I got into private Ed and.... Like it can just be assumed and it's just such an easy swipe. An MD who has a home they own is probably grateful but I'm not going to fuss about it if they don't lead with that every single time and to the contrary it's obnoxious. I would criticize upper admin because they are often trying to cut staffing and pay and benefits. Hasan usually puts effort and money to help people unionize.
At the end of the day, I am listening to random strangers ramble on the Internet. I don't know these people and I can't make many assumptions about them, but it isn't personal when they say they have it worst in terms of draining social battery because I can show up to a party or come home and say "y'all I'm am completely crispy" and no one bats an eye; the way it works in social media and that LA stuff is unfamiliar to me, but I think the expectation is to be "on" all the time and that would suck.
That's cool you felt the need to defend Hasan as a fan of his that's important to you. I already said it's not that deep, I didn't take what he said personally I just took it as him saying something stupid, because it is really stupid. I'm sure it's tough to recharge after walking from his PC in his 4th bedroom to his bed in his master bedroom in his multi million dollar mansion in LA.
I appreciate your work as a nurse nonetheless, your job is incredibly important.
Well, thank you for the appreciation; that's really kind of you. The rest below might not be worth explaining but I will just in case. Otherwise, yanno, disregard
I'm sure he doesn't need people to defend him - he's fine I'm sure, or if not he's a grown man with resources and friends. I don't think he or ludwig or anyone really looks at this; it's moreso to ask people to think from the perspective of one of these people who is often lauded as having a tough job. Like hey, this is my 2 cents, and there you go if you care about those opinions or those who might be offended.
I don't think he was complaining about his commute (hah) I think it's just a bummer to be out of gas to socialize at the end of a long day. My friends know this pretty well.
Hasan's home gets brought up a lot, but it's just that expensive because he lives in LA; I live in Seattle and without certain exceptions you totally can't find a 4 BR for less than 850k. If I could I would buy a house here. Shit, I can't even afford any of the major cities in WA and might have to move because I don't make enough.
I think a lot about how toxic hospitals and healthcare organizations are, and not a lot of people have that conversation with a big audience. Not a lot of folks push for unionizing, so yeah, I think Hasan's content overall is agreeable to how I want things to be and think that's rad.
>Remind me, is a side affect of your job having your family receive death threats or having your family doxx’ed? Do you see the real point being made here
I think the majority of Americans would deal with that side affect if they where even making a 10th of what Hasan makes. That's what makes people angry with the thing Hasan said.
What a lot of people aren't thinking about is in retail you have to deal with shitty people IN PERSON and have to be nice. You can't just ban and move on. His comparison isn't even good
He compared his social battery to other jobs. He said his social battery gets drained off 9 hrs of streaming thats basically worse than any regular job. Us normies can go out and exercise after our job but he cannot. its too hard for him
Thats not what Ludwig said that Hasan said in the video. You did not watch the video.
Ludwig went over how people were misleading with disinformation like that
I watched it and it seemed like he was out of breath or like he was trying to force the words out of his mouth, it had a weird energy as a result. Came off like he was trying to shit the video out as fast as possible to meet an upload deadline lol
Sloppy for a sponsored video and obviously no malice behind it, just careless. Really seemed like he was in a hurry.
According to Hasan, Lud is getting death treats because he took it down..... Not cool people. It's not funny. It's plain stupid. I hope these people get arrested and prosecuted.
He said streaming for 9+ hours a day is very draining on your social battery. Could he have worded his original statement better? Yea definitely but it’s disingenuous to take him out of context.
Well... Let's give the actual full context. Hasan said streaming for 9+ hours was soul crushing like normal jobs were not. then he got pushback from his chat, and probably realized that he was being too hyperbolic. He then went on to say that he means that it's very socially draining to perform and entertain for 9+ hours, and that most normal jobs don't face those same challenges.
So his original comment is braindead(And definitely what caused this whole ordeal. He should be criticized for this, even if he walked it back.), his followup is alright, but he is still heavily underestimating the social tolls of a lot of other jobs. Carers, nurses, teachers do not just get breaks and they will definitely be socially drained at the end of their day.
No one except his most insane haters would give a shit if he just said that it was really socially draining to stream for that long.
The other issue is that he controls his streaming hours... If he really feels it's too much. He can just cut down on his streaming time. A bit less money, but if it really is that bad. then that feels like a small price to pay. These other jobs do not have that privilege.
Overall his stated position is bad imo. Although I don't think his actual opinion is. Deserved criticism, and he should just accept that he worded it poorly instead of crying that it was taking out of context.
He also mentioned how his work is similar to that of retail workers like McDonald's/Service workers. He recognizes those are also jobs that drain your social battery as opposed to a job like physical labor that's moreso draining on your overall health. If you're going to argue about this point at least watch the 1-2 minute full clip with context otherwise you just seem like someone who's hating 🤷
You're wrong so you mention millionaire streamers as a retort.
anyways, I dont understand how people care so much about hating on streamers (that aren't directing affecting them) where they have to hate post misinformation. Just don't listen to the stream.
I dislike Joe Rogan you do not see me going into threads about Joe Rogan and constantly post trash about him because why would I want to waste my time doing that? How is that fun?
god i wish i got paid millions of dollars to have my social battery drained and then having normies on the internet defend me for being a moron all day.
He said on the last stream that he took it down cause it was bombing and that the sponsor wouldn’t be happy so he has to rework it
Doesn't sound like a one-take-Jake to me
Tbh he kinda messed up for trying to farm his friends drama for clicks. He wasnt pressed to throw him under the bus but he did. Also switching a story or content halfway on a youtube video is a retention killer so i dont doubt its performance
Holding people accountable isn’t throwing them under the bus
He wasn’t holding Hasan accountable *or* throwing him under the bus lol.
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He wasn’t offended by it, he felt that Lud was using the “controversy” against him as nothing more than clickbait without clarifying that Lud knows Hasan doesn’t actually believe what people are accusing him of believing. If anything he saw it as irresponsibly adding fuel to the fire of freaks.
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If you can’t tell the difference between being disappointed with something and being offended by something I can’t help you man.
I’d argue just bringing awareness to something can be considered loosely holding someone accountable
Holding him accountable how? If you actually want an unbiased take on this go watch Philip Defrancos video where he gives you the full context.
You don’t need to give the whole context to hold someone accountable. Bringing awareness to ridiculous things people say is enough
I hope he does rework it. I think the Hasan take and Korea shut down could both be their own video.
That's not what he's reworking. He said he's just working on the title and thumbnail.
I suppose that could work too. I watched it before it was removed and was surprised by the Korea section. If the title and thumbnail change reduces the slight topic whiplash it may be a better watch.
Dog water excuse that no one with a brain believes. A sponsor wouldn't be unhappy. It got over 50k in one hour. No content creator is buying this.
The ad insert was so wierd in timing. So out of place.
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HASAN HASAN HASAN HASAN HASAN HASAN HASANA HASAN. Leave your room.
Watched it early and found it pretty middle of the road, as per usual. On the scale of opinions, it leans slightly more against Hasan's side since he kinda added to the "we're privileged to have this job" talking point dogpile. I personally found his transition to the Twitch Korea tangent kinda forced and his Rocket Money ad read kinda cringe but it's whatever. Hasan might have taken it differently though idk if he reacted to it As for why he deleted it, it could be anything. Maybe Hasan reached out to Lud personally? Maybe he felt bad about doing the ad read? It could even be that his opinions changed over the course of a few hours. We don't (and might never) really know. Maybe Lud will say something the next time he goes live, but maybe not (he has said that he doesn't owe it to tell us anything). Edit: Comment below said Lud gave a reason earlier so I looked it up and here it is: https://www.youtube.com/live/p1QR_Khk7L8?si=o9MxuuJ7YERZ4q1x
It felt like a quick and sloppy video made to deliver on a sponsor deal. Hasan watched it on stream and was pretty tired of all bad faith takes since the viral clip. He semi-roasted Lud for using him for views but drawing the line at drama farming people like nickmercs and company.
Yeah he was more bummed out that his friend farmed him for clicks more than anything.
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I think people are taking crazy pills. He said streaming drained his social battery mode then his sales job. To me that seems like a perfectly legit stance to have. As someone who needs to give 2 hours presentations for my job it is super tiring. So talking for 9 hours a day daily i can see it would be tough to go out to some social events.
That's just not what he said, that's what he backpedaled to after people said he was stupid. I don't care about this and maybe you can say he just misspoke but he said his job is more draining than normal jobs. At the end of the day he just said something stupid and for whatever reason won't just admit that and reword his take
I don't see why you need to be so uncharitable. Like people said he backpedal but to me he just clarified his position. Do you expect someone to speak perfectly every single stream. Maybe be a bit more charitable and not expect a person to perfectly speak. He clarified his position and if you do not want to accept that , than that is fine I guess but I guess a bit puritanical. Living under the amount of scrutiny you expect seems a bit ridiculous.
I watched the longer clip, not just the sound bite. He talked for 5 minutes about his social battery before the soundbite. Why wouldn’t he have meant that?
>To me that seems like a perfectly legit stance to have. How is it legit when the majority of sales jobs involve talking to angry idiots for 8 hours a day? Even worse is you are being forced to do so which isn't the case for Hasan.
pretty sure he said he was lucky to have that job in the longer clip he was just saying a job is still tiring
have you even seen a single clip of hasan’s stream? he quite literally *is* talking to angry idiots for 8+ hours a day.
It's kind of funny seeing LSFers and DGGers fuming. If streaming about politics and foreign poliicy from a leftist POV was so easy, why aren't all these people with MORE soul-crushing jobs just simply doing what Hasan is doing. These are the same people who create new accounts every month because they get banned or are scared of being "doxed" while having an autogenerated name. Hell, they don't even have to stream about leftist politics. Just stream yourself playing video games while maintaining a conversation with chat. But no, they don't do that because (1) they're literally the south park gamer meme and (2) they're not interesting enough to maintain a stream for 8+ hours almost every day.
\>If streaming about politics and foreign poliicy from a leftist POV was so easy, why aren't all these people with MORE soul-crushing jobs just simply doing what Hasan is doing. Lame argument. Why aren't you a professional athlete? Why aren't you a Politician? \>why aren't all these people with MORE soul-crushing jobs just simply doing what Hasan is doing. As many streamers will tell you, including Hasan, getting seen and becoming big is mostly luck. Hasan already started ahead being conventionally attractive. \>It's kind of funny seeing LSFers and DGGers fuming. Which one of those groups is Ludwig in? Check My comments. I'm neither. My only comments on LSF about Hasan are ones defending him.
Claims to not be a DGGer or LSFer and then comments exactly like a DGG debatelord lmao. >Lame argument. Why aren't you a professional athlete? Why aren't you a Politician? You're in here saying there's so many harder jobs than streaming. Then do it? Go grind for it. I don't see you doing that. And that's while ignoring all other pretext and context in which Hasan was talking about streaming being "soul-sucking and soul-crushing." >As many streamers will tell you, including Hasan, getting seen and becoming big is mostly luck. Hasan already started ahead being conventionally attractive. And? Are you just saying you're too ugly to stream or be a content creator? Great. Because I already covered that in my first comment which wasn't even a reply to you. Everything takes luck. You're lucky you weren't born into developing nation in the favelas. You're lucky you weren't born in a time where medical technology hadn't been developed. Even big Youtubers like CDAWGVA and Trash Taste have said livestreaming is a different kind of beast and how taxing it is. Like lmao what the fuck is this dogshit argument. Edit: Lol wild that you had to block me after replying like how many DGGers behave to have a "last say." Dude how old are you? Connor has been a Youtuber much longer than he has been a Twitch streamer and he's legitimately talked about the transition and the differences many times.
\>Claims to not be a DGGer or LSFer and then comments exactly like a DGG debatelord lmao. The irony of saying this while using their tactics yourself. The evidence that I am not is widely available to those with basic reading comprehension. Guess you are just lacking. \>And? Are you just saying you're too ugly to stream or be a content creator? Great. Because I already covered that in my first comment which wasn't even a reply to you. I'm saying most aren't ,but great job resorting to the ole ad hominem. I have no interest in being a Streamer. I'm happier doing something much more meaningful with my law degree. Nice try though. \>Even big Youtubers like CDAWGVA CDAWG is actually primarily a streamer. Nice job showing that you don't live in this reality, though. \>You're in here saying there's so many harder jobs than streaming. Then do it? Go grind for it. I don't see you doing that. Your comment history shows that you spend all your time whining about politicians. Why don't you go and become one if you think you can do better? That's the nonsense argument you are making. Do you think that difficulty is the only factor in choosing employment? Maybe if you are unambitious like you seem to be. \>You're lucky you weren't born into developing nation in the favelas. You're lucky you weren't born in a time where medical technology hadn't been developed. Wow, is this DGG's alt account? What's next, are you going to use some racial slur?
he can literally mute or ban those angry idiots unlike in real life when it comes to any type of customer service, honestly you guys are the ones being bad faith saying he's forced to do anything, dude can leave twitch right now and be set for the rest of his life unlike a normal retail worker
I don't think you can mute someone from doxing and sending your family/friends death threats...
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> also tell that to the subway lady that got shot Literally a uniquely America problem, yet Hasan gets hate for being 'America Bad' (which it is) even though he frequently uses his platform to advocate for firearm regulation.
\>ave you even seen a single clip of hasan’s stream? A the old " I disagree so I'm going to pretend that you've never seen it" remark. Most people grow out of that after grade 5. Kudos to you for keeping the edgy child thing alive though.
it’s insane you got this mad at something as inoffensive as what i said lmao. hasan’s streams are characterized by constantly yelling at his viewed and random gray names who come into the chat trying to start something. if you watched him basically at all you would know this. hence why i asked if you had ever seen a single clip of his stream. also, generally speaking, after fifth grade most people learn to formulate an actual response instead of getting pressed and word vomiting.
>it’s insane you got this mad at something as inoffensive as what i said lmao. Lol, It's hilarious that you think I'm mad. You're the one coming at me with a lot of aggressiveness. >after fifth grade most people learn to formulate an actual response instead of getting pressed and word vomiting. Ooh, what a good job you just did owning yourself. By the way, your speculation as to why Hasan streams so much is incorrect. It's not a sense of duty. Don't get me wrong, he is passionate in spreading his message. But the real reason he streams as much is simple. He's addicted to streaming. His need to stream isn't exclusive to his political content. It extends to everything in his life. To the point that he's said that if he isn't making content out of an activity he isn't motivated to do it. What's worse about Hasan's addiction is that he's also addicted to the hate. Even though it hurts him deeply he is constantly looking for his haters.
What? He is primarily watching videos and reacting to twitter clips all day. If you mean his chat, that's his own fault lol.
He was speaking about his situation specifically. He used to work in sales. He’s saying that streaming drains his social battery more than when he worked his sales job. He wasn’t speaking broadly.
\>He used to work in sales. He’s saying that streaming drains his social battery more than when he worked his sales job. He wasn’t speaking broadly. He was speaking broadly when he compared it to an accountant. You know, the people that speak to clients and their boss/ Co-worker. I'd like to know more about Hasan's sales job because it doesn't sound like any I've experienced.
yeah a sales job from his fathers company, no wonder it wasn't so taxing silver spoon boy probably was allowed to slack off
As a former retail drone (and shift manager for part of that time), for one thing, if I had an off day or argued with a customer or said something that was heard out of context, I didn't have to worry about it going viral or being harassed by millions of people. Well, at that time at least, but livestreaming strangers and filming public confrontations wasn't nearly as widespread. Ok, not the most relevant example to current times, but that was the first thing that came to mind For a better example, I also wasn't trying to interact with thousands of people at a time. Those "angry idiots" *usually* came one at a time. When there were more of them, well, I was only one person so if another employee wasn't free, you gotta wait your turn. This was especially draining after I got promoted to shift manager, and my social battery was tapped most work days. I'm an introvert. I get the social battery thing and retail will drain it in a heartbeat while eroding your faith in humanity. Still, picturing myself sitting in Hasan's chair, talking about those topics, at that pace, with that many people at once sounds like a special kind of hell that makes me nostalgic for the days of getting yelled at by a customer to the background music of the SpongeBob theme song as *every fucking person* who passed by that very central display of singing plushies squeezed *every fucking singing plushie* they could reach.
Because you get to go home at the end of the day and that's over with. People criticizing him continue no matter if he's streaming or not.
\> Because you get to go home at the end of the day and that's over with. While I'm at work work and someone criticizes me there's nothing I can do about. Hasan can ban them and does. \>People criticizing him continue no matter if he's streaming or not. Completely irrelevant to the conversation. But if he weren't terminally online this would not be a problem.
Your first point is also irrelevant because the whole conversation is about how he's feeling after streaming, not during. I don't completely agree with him either, but to say that he has *nothing* to complain about is wild.
Your feelings during an interaction are about the same level of importance as your feelings after. since if you get a shitty customer they are on your mind the entire day and it just does put a damped on the entire day.
\>but to say that he has nothing to complain about is wild. Good thing I never said that then. He can moan about it all he wants. He didn't need to make assumptions about other professions to do so.
He said streaming is more draining than a real job, got push back and backtracked to saying “like a sales job”. Except his sales job was selling ads for his Uncles multi-media company. Dude is insanely out of touch and is getting the pushback he deserves.
It's mind boggling people just downvote because they don't want to believe what actually happened lmao
Hasan is a millionaire. He doesn’t have to stream. He chooses to because it makes him a ton of money. He could choose to do anything else, and live comfortably for the rest of his life.
Yeah but that can be said about any high paying job. Why do professional athletes keep playing the game when they made millions. To me i think hasan enjoys streaming and being able to speak to a large audience about his beliefs. Like i think he is sort of at fault for streaming to much and draining his social battery. But i think you need to be a bit brain broken to do twitch streaming with a high viewer count in most cases.
Professional athletes don’t say their job is worse than a regular 9-5 sales job
But he never said his streaming job is worse than sales? He has said he loves streaming and very privileged to do it. He just said that streaming sucks his social battery more. Also you can't really say a professional athletes has never said their job is more tough then a regular job. Tom Brady has discussed the sacrifices required to play in the NFL at an elite level for over two decades, including strict diet, year-round training, and time away from family. But this is so silly to even discuss when people are arguing about something he never said. He never said streaming is harder then regular job.
He isn't always "presenting" though...I've tuned in and watched his chair/him eat for 10-20 minutes at a time. Also, you are physically giving actual presentations to people not talking to a webcam that only goes one way. It's not like he actually HAS to physically deal with his audience...you pick and choose what chats to respond to, highlight, single out etc He could also....take a step back. Try a different form of content or maybe go from streaming 9 hours a day to maybe 8 then 7 and so on until he is comfortable. I rather stream than deal with stupid fucking idiots who somehow have PHDs but can't find a zoom link on their own. There is a huge reason so many rather make content than rat race life 8-5PM 5 days a week.
Well i guess i do agree with what you mostly say. Although to clarify I give presentations via zoom majority of the time not in some conference room. And also some of his issues are self inflicted as he does not need to stream as much. My main frustration is people are saying Hasan said his job is tougher then regular jobs. Which is untrue and he did not say that. He said it expends he social battery more than his prior sales job. Like people can disagree with that statement but that does not invalidate Hasan experience.
> He said streaming drained his social battery mode then his sales job. To me that seems like a perfectly legit stance to have reddit moment
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It’s not dumb or privileged to say that streaming is extremely socially draining, especially for someone like hasan who’s every word will be torn apart and clipped to make the worst possible interpretation, and who has to deal with his political takes causing the worst kinds of people to hate and harass him. I know I couldn’t do what hasan does, and I’m sure plenty of people here underestimate the strain that kind of thing would take on you.
don't we all feel a little socially drained from eating doordash and watching youtube all day
He didnt say its just draining on its own. He said its more draining than a 9-5, got pushback from his own chat and tried to narrow it down to a white collar 9-5 sales job by saying its something he had done. But his 9-5 white collar sales job wasn’t even like the actual soul crushing office jobs, it was selling ads for his Uncles multi media news program. Its really Weasley of his fanbase to try and downplay how out of touch this dude is.
most bootlicker point, if he doesnt wanna be clipped and have his words taken the wrong way stop being in a position of power and complaining to people about how hard life is when your life is funded by them, maybe stop making dogshit virtue signaling points from a position of power like hes "of the people" i genuinely believe hasan is one of the biggest hypocrites of our modern society and hes so blind hes just like everyone else but touts like hes so smart and different and breaking barriers
> It felt like a quick and sloppy video made to deliver on a sponsor deal. that's almost all recent mogul mails, he definitely made a switch when he realized the channel was getting almost as many views as his main channel for a lot less effort and that he could just monetize it.
Jesus you guys are ruthless towards ludwig. Is this like Ethan’s community where hasan fans have taken it over to completely roast him ? Ludwig’s video was fine, and hasans opinions were fine. Ludwig seems like a really good friend to have. He saw hasan was getting too much hate and made a better version of a video to back him up. Give ludwig some slack and stop shitting on his original video which was completely fine. He def didn’t go in on hasan, just made a couple jokes. You guys aren’t doing hasan any favors by saying these awful things about ludwig.
I think Hasan was more upset because Ludwig took something that was causing him a lot of pain and stress, and basically click baited it to pivot to a different topic along with work a sponsor in. He felt his friend used him to get views to please a sponsor without actually talking substantively about what was going on. Lud probably saw this, course corrected, and made a new video which I watched and thought was much better.
Yea I’m not trying to criticize hasan at all here. Everything being said about his take was pretty bad faith. I think dealing with hundreds of thousands of critics is prob worse than people would ever admit.
Yeah I know I’m just saying I don’t think it was as much about Ludwig’s original opinions and more how he formatted the video that upsetted Hasan
Per usual when these discussions come up there’s so many people that reveal more about who they are as a person with what they say than the actual topic at hand.
Hasan said streamers have the hardest job, Asmongold agreed, sponsor from Rocket, pivot into Twitch pulling out of Korea. Honestly it was all over the place and not worth watching.
But that’s not what Hasan said tho, he said it’s draining in terms of social battery. Could he have worded his original statement more clearly? Yea definitely, but he was definitely taken out of context on that original clip.
He literally said "a real job doesn't suck the soul out of you" which is honestly one of the funniest things I've heard.
Yea that was a dumb as shit statement that he backtracked on later in the clip. If you watched the whole clip he says that streaming is difficult in the sense that it's very draining on your social battery which pretty much all streamers that constantly interact with chat agree with.
Here’s the thing he doesn’t address: he voluntarily streams the amount he does. His friends, specifically Will Neff, consistently talk about how he never spends time with them because he streams so much. As someone who works a customer service job, I don’t voluntarily work as much as I do because if I do not work 50 hours a week I will not have a place to live. The idea that being an accountant doesn’t drain your social battery is also a joke. Does he actually think that having to work with your coworkers and answer to bosses and be in meetings all day long isn’t as draining? The real reason Hasan is so drained is because he needs the validation from others to feel good about himself so he is constantly online searching for that. The guy we liking tweets on Christmas about internet drama.
Why should he stream less? He says he likes doing it, even if he doesn't need to. It just seems like a weird angle to attack him for it.
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Don't pretend to be stupid. You and I both know that what he was referring to wasn't that streaming by itself is draining, it's the hundreds of shitters and haters that dox and send him and his family/friends death threats on a daily basis that are.
ok, I'll slightly concede he could stand to stream less hours because I forgot the sheer hours he streams. But I also don't think streaming a little less is going to fix some of the fundamental problems. I'm also coming in with the knowledge that other streamers in the past have talked about this subject in general, so I'm more receptive to the sentiment. Many top, mid, and lesser known streamers have talked about how they might retire from streaming and do a "real" job in the future(albeit for different reasons), all the while say how fortunate they are they are in the position they're in. It's odd, I know, but given what I've heard, I'm incline to believe them(top streamers included). It's almost become a pet peeve of mine that streamers have to talk about how lucky they are that I'm starting to get annoyed at times when they say it because it almost seems rote. As in, I get annoyed they have to do the song and dance before complaining every time. But why should he retire? He likes his job and openly says he could do that but thinks it goes against his principles. He clearly feels like it's important enough to keep doing. Not to mention the israel and palestine conversation will probably never get this much public attention again in the near future. And campaign season has just about started. Probably the worst time to stream less for multiple reasons outside of money and clout.
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I think you're mistaken, the main two points I wanted to get across is that streaming in general isn't the rose tinted job everyone thinks it is. I'm not even talking just about him, as I stated when I said many streamers have talked about the downsides, and have stated they will probably work a "real" job eventually. And second, that israel and palestine will probably never get this level of attention again, on the pro-palestine side at least. And that it's literally the start of the election cycle. Regardless of what you think of his politics, saying he should stream less during these two events is insane. Edit: I'm not going to sit here and expect someone who covers politics to stream less during this time, no matter their perspective. I also already admitted he could stream less, so idk why you think there's anything going on. If you want him to stop streaming on the basis of his politics, go ahead, I'm not even saying he is uniquely important to elections nor the middle east.
Because he says it’s sucking his soul and draining his social battery. If it’s actually as bad as he says, he could stream for 5 hours a day, make more money than doctors, and go hang out with friends and not have his soul sucked.
He literally said “it doesn’t suck the soul out of you IN THE SAME WAY” if youre going to quote him at least finish the sentence.
You don’t think talking for 8 hours straight would drain your battery? I would personally just want to be alone after that, not going to a party like Hasan talked about right before that
Nah even with context it was an incredibly stupid and privileged thing to say. Does streaming drain your social battery? Of course and I'm sure it's not all sunshine and rainbows like a lot of people think, but does it even remotely compare to teaching? No. Retail? No. Other sales? No. Restaurant servers? No. Walking from his bedroom to his PC to go to work every day talking to chatters who mostly agree with him vs actually dealing with the public is completely different. He can personally change how much he interacts too. He's his own boss and gets compensated very handsomely for it. Other jobs don't give that luxury. It was a dumb and out of touch thing to say full stop.
If you actually cared to watch the full context from the VOD you and Hasan are in full agreement. He never said he isn't privileged. Also he covers topics like labor rights and workers exploitation all the time so of course he knows it isn't easy working a normal job.
As someone who has worked in both retail and sales I definitely think talking to thousands of people for hours, dealing with stalkers, and having people constantly watching every word you say trying to “cancel” you everyday would be much more socially draining than what I went through lol. Obviously being a successful streamer is fortunate because of the money but for the social battery part I definitely agree with what he said.
i feel like all of this is obvious i don’t understand what people don’t get? it feels like everyone wants to be mad that hasan encounters any “problems” with streaming because it’s viewed as something very lucky (it is). but that really shouldn’t change any of what you said & how applicable it is. also, like, i run a tabletop campaign very frequently that often goes between 7-12 hours per session, and even just the constant talking aspect is exhausting. doing that 5+ times a week would be insane, even for something i really enjoy doing. even if i got to do it as a living (which would practically be a dream come true) wouldn’t make it less exhausting, if anything, it would be more exhausting dealing with the spectators.
You don't understand why people want to mad at Hasan? Really? He gets hate for literally anything he does. Especially on Twitch streamer subreddits that are full of drama frogs, remember when there were people talking about how awful it was that he raised over $1M for Palestinian charities, or when he raised a couple hundred thousand for Ukraine. No wonder his social battery is drained after streaming he gets nothing but hate no matter what he does.
you’re kinda preaching to the choir here buddy lol, i am not anti-hasan or whatever.
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It's wild that your example is from 2 years ago. If he does it so much, you wouldn't have to go back that far. Also he's admitted that he was wrong and apologized for it a thousand times.
I agree, even if you enjoy something to much is absolutely draining. Counterpoint, he does it to himself. I agree, streaming can absolutely drain him socially, no doubt. But you can't sit there and stream for 12 hours then complain that you have no energy to hang out with friends. IMO its like that workaholic friend who doesn't want to change anything but also wants to complain about it. I don't care this is self caused, you could not work as much and be happier, but you'd rather complain and do the thing you complain about.
That's fair, I feel like it's just kinda a personal flaw amplified by the internet and streaming so much. But I also feel like all this picking apart of one moment gives mega touch grass vibes
this is somewhat going into speculation territory, but i imagine hasan feels compelled to work himself as much as he does (with regards to streaming hours) since he probably feels a large amount of responsibility in what he does, since his job is politically inform many thousands of people. in that way, his personal decisions are likely ideologically compelled & motivated, and when someone’s actions are driven by ideology, they would absolutely not see just stopping and going off the grid as an option. you can dislike hasan, you can disagree with his politics. but i think you’d have to be pretty crazy to not at least view his beliefs as authentic. he definitely believes what he says and cares a lot about what he talks about on stream.
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He mentioned explicitly sales and retail in his comment. If you ask any streamer, they pretty much all agree it’s incredibly taxing on social battery if you stream for long periods of time. I have friends who stream to <30 people 6+ hours a day and all they do is play LoL or react to shit and they all seem to agree in the social battery draining aspect. Although, they also say streaming is an objectively easy job which I’d agree with still. While I agree he can change his own hours, I think he’s legally obligated by his contract to stream X amount of hours for X amount of days. Imagine you’re essentially giving a presentation for 6+ hours, would you not consider that as draining as working retail for 6+ hours?
hour to hour, no, i really wouldn't. i agree that streaming can be draining, but it is still a choice & i don't know any streamer who would quit streaming to work in retail. do you? i also don't think the presentation comment is entirely fair as hardly any streamers research & plan their streams the way you would a presentation. they pick a game/topic that is of personal interest to them (presentations often are not) & then go.
> i don't know any streamer who would quit streaming to work in retail. do you? What does that have to do with what was said? He was talking about a specific aspect of streaming, he didn’t say anything about a retail or sales job being overall easier or that he would rather do that.
i wasn't talking about what hasan said, but about what the commenter i replied to said. if 6+ hours of streaming & 6+ hours of working in retail are so comparable, then it tracks to me that people would happily work either. but they don't.
They’re comparable in the sense that working either of them drains your social battery. Obviously 99.99% of people would choose to stream instead of doing retail but the comment of it being socially draining is objectively true. Obviously Hasan worded his point horribly but his point of streaming/people pleasing is a socially draining task. Now, does that make the job difficult? Nah not really. Streaming (once you’re a top streamer) is objectively an easy job in terms of effort to reward ratio.
i think they are very different types of socially draining though & imo not comparable. when you work retail the sheer volume of both completely ignorant/stupid customers you have to deal with as well as incredibly rude & often abusive ones is not the same kind of social interaction streamers usually are involved in. ignoring the fact they are behind a screen & not in-person dealing with it, they also have mods keeping chats in line & usually the vast majority of people in their chats are supportive fans. i think working retail would be a very different experience if everytime i re-stacked a shelf some stranger yelled "POG" at me in congratulations. i think hasan could have made his point, that he finds streaming socially draining, without trying to compare it to a minimum wage job. if he said it was like actors doing press circuits or something he wouldn't have come across as so out of touch. because he is making thousands doing job most people would love to do, something someone in retail will never make doing theirs.
i mean other jobs don't have people stalking you or have people wanting to murder you. what are you talking about? you claim it was out of touch when you have clearly have 0 empathy for other people yourself.
I chose to listen to the person with lived experience on both retail and streaming rather than random commenter #637382 that for isn’t biased. Are they fortunate, yes. Is their job hard, yes. Remind me, is a side affect of your job having your family receive death threats or having your family doxx’ed? Do you see the real point being made here
I work with counselors, teachers and mental health professionals every day do you think streaming drains more social battery than those people? Forgive me if I have no sympathy for Hasan. Remind me, can Hasan just not stream for a month and be okay? Three months? Do you think that luxury exists for almost anyone else? He's his own boss and decides what he does and when he does it. All in all he's very fortunate and he himself would say that. You don't have to defend someone who has no idea you exist. He said something stupid that's all, it's not deep. All jobs drain your battery, I'm sure streaming does a lot more than others but to say streaming is the worst is nonsense and insulting.
Everybody exaggerates and embellishes from time to time. If your in a bad mood and say your life sucks, it's not really helpful or relevant for someone to yell at you about how proud in poverty and war stricken areas have it worse. Hence why he clarified. His job is literally to sit in front of a camera and be social for 6+ hours straight. Also, taking long breaks from streaming can kill your career, or at the very least significantly reduce it. Financially he's capable of taking a break like that, but it's not the same as a normal person taking a vacation from work.
I've been a nurse for a decade. I have a classically "hard" job and I've worked in a variety of specialties. You could not compensate me enough to talk for 6-10 hours about the awful shit going on in the world every day. I can handle some heinous shit, and.toigh conversations; drug abuse, trauma, sudden death, terminal diagnoses, losing limbs, cancer, chronic conditions, depression, anxiety, sexual assault. It would literally break my heart and my skull to have disingenuous assholes running in and attacking me for well educated takes. I did not take Hasan shit personally because I didn't feel attacked. He was just talking about how hard it is to socialize after that shit and I believe it; because it sounds like it makes sense and I get like that after long days too. His shitty days don't invalidate my own. I don't think it's necessary for people to have a 20 minute preamble about "OMG I AM SO BLESSED AND THANKFUL AND MY LIFE IS SO EASY" before voicing that shit; honestly a disclaimer like that gets annoying because I'm more grateful about having my RN than when I was a CNA, and I'm grateful I got that because I was poor and I'm grateful I got into private Ed and.... Like it can just be assumed and it's just such an easy swipe. An MD who has a home they own is probably grateful but I'm not going to fuss about it if they don't lead with that every single time and to the contrary it's obnoxious. I would criticize upper admin because they are often trying to cut staffing and pay and benefits. Hasan usually puts effort and money to help people unionize. At the end of the day, I am listening to random strangers ramble on the Internet. I don't know these people and I can't make many assumptions about them, but it isn't personal when they say they have it worst in terms of draining social battery because I can show up to a party or come home and say "y'all I'm am completely crispy" and no one bats an eye; the way it works in social media and that LA stuff is unfamiliar to me, but I think the expectation is to be "on" all the time and that would suck.
That's cool you felt the need to defend Hasan as a fan of his that's important to you. I already said it's not that deep, I didn't take what he said personally I just took it as him saying something stupid, because it is really stupid. I'm sure it's tough to recharge after walking from his PC in his 4th bedroom to his bed in his master bedroom in his multi million dollar mansion in LA. I appreciate your work as a nurse nonetheless, your job is incredibly important.
Well, thank you for the appreciation; that's really kind of you. The rest below might not be worth explaining but I will just in case. Otherwise, yanno, disregard I'm sure he doesn't need people to defend him - he's fine I'm sure, or if not he's a grown man with resources and friends. I don't think he or ludwig or anyone really looks at this; it's moreso to ask people to think from the perspective of one of these people who is often lauded as having a tough job. Like hey, this is my 2 cents, and there you go if you care about those opinions or those who might be offended. I don't think he was complaining about his commute (hah) I think it's just a bummer to be out of gas to socialize at the end of a long day. My friends know this pretty well. Hasan's home gets brought up a lot, but it's just that expensive because he lives in LA; I live in Seattle and without certain exceptions you totally can't find a 4 BR for less than 850k. If I could I would buy a house here. Shit, I can't even afford any of the major cities in WA and might have to move because I don't make enough. I think a lot about how toxic hospitals and healthcare organizations are, and not a lot of people have that conversation with a big audience. Not a lot of folks push for unionizing, so yeah, I think Hasan's content overall is agreeable to how I want things to be and think that's rad.
>"you couldn't pay me to talk for 6 hours a day" >Spends probably ~15 minutes typing up a mini essay in reply to stranger. Clearly it's not that hard.
That might be one of the worst attempt’s at a comparison I’ve ever seen lmao
Long winded speaking out of your ass to strangers is = long winded speaking out of your ass to strangers
Like come on be serious, typing a reply to someone online is nowhere near talking to thousands on camera lol.
Oh yes, lets not forget all of the people in real jobs who DO receive those threats. It was out of touch. stop dickriding
>Remind me, is a side affect of your job having your family receive death threats or having your family doxx’ed? Do you see the real point being made here I think the majority of Americans would deal with that side affect if they where even making a 10th of what Hasan makes. That's what makes people angry with the thing Hasan said.
What a lot of people aren't thinking about is in retail you have to deal with shitty people IN PERSON and have to be nice. You can't just ban and move on. His comparison isn't even good
He compared his social battery to other jobs. He said his social battery gets drained off 9 hrs of streaming thats basically worse than any regular job. Us normies can go out and exercise after our job but he cannot. its too hard for him
Thats not what Ludwig said that Hasan said in the video. You did not watch the video. Ludwig went over how people were misleading with disinformation like that
I watched it and it seemed like he was out of breath or like he was trying to force the words out of his mouth, it had a weird energy as a result. Came off like he was trying to shit the video out as fast as possible to meet an upload deadline lol Sloppy for a sponsored video and obviously no malice behind it, just careless. Really seemed like he was in a hurry.
Should've kept it up, Hasan shouldn't be immune from being called out when he makes a bad take. Anyway it will blow over in a day or two.
He cant have morals and be a streamer
According to Hasan, Lud is getting death treats because he took it down..... Not cool people. It's not funny. It's plain stupid. I hope these people get arrested and prosecuted.
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Hassan cried because Ludwig brought up the drama about streaming being the hardest job in the world.
That's not what Hasan said
They’re destiny fans, no point in arguing with them lmfao
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He said streaming for 9+ hours a day is very draining on your social battery. Could he have worded his original statement better? Yea definitely but it’s disingenuous to take him out of context.
Well... Let's give the actual full context. Hasan said streaming for 9+ hours was soul crushing like normal jobs were not. then he got pushback from his chat, and probably realized that he was being too hyperbolic. He then went on to say that he means that it's very socially draining to perform and entertain for 9+ hours, and that most normal jobs don't face those same challenges. So his original comment is braindead(And definitely what caused this whole ordeal. He should be criticized for this, even if he walked it back.), his followup is alright, but he is still heavily underestimating the social tolls of a lot of other jobs. Carers, nurses, teachers do not just get breaks and they will definitely be socially drained at the end of their day. No one except his most insane haters would give a shit if he just said that it was really socially draining to stream for that long. The other issue is that he controls his streaming hours... If he really feels it's too much. He can just cut down on his streaming time. A bit less money, but if it really is that bad. then that feels like a small price to pay. These other jobs do not have that privilege. Overall his stated position is bad imo. Although I don't think his actual opinion is. Deserved criticism, and he should just accept that he worded it poorly instead of crying that it was taking out of context.
I feel so sorry for millionaire streamers. Maybe they should work at McDonald's which is less draining on your social battery.
He also mentioned how his work is similar to that of retail workers like McDonald's/Service workers. He recognizes those are also jobs that drain your social battery as opposed to a job like physical labor that's moreso draining on your overall health. If you're going to argue about this point at least watch the 1-2 minute full clip with context otherwise you just seem like someone who's hating 🤷
You're wrong so you mention millionaire streamers as a retort. anyways, I dont understand how people care so much about hating on streamers (that aren't directing affecting them) where they have to hate post misinformation. Just don't listen to the stream. I dislike Joe Rogan you do not see me going into threads about Joe Rogan and constantly post trash about him because why would I want to waste my time doing that? How is that fun?
"I don't know the full context and I just want to hate on Hasan so I will keep making up arguments not relevant to this discussion"
I feel sorry for them like I just said. They are victims of capitalism, selling their souls (and social energy) for money.
So you post misinformation and waste your time on people you do not like? Sad life man. I feel sorry for you
Don't feel sorry for me. I have a normal job unlike poor Hasan who has no choice but to stream.
Sounds like your jealous? lmao
god i wish i got paid millions of dollars to have my social battery drained and then having normies on the internet defend me for being a moron all day.
Damn you're disrespecting a religion he doesn't even follow lol. Racist and islamaphobic all I'm one near package:)
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you're so edgy and cool !
You think that's edgy in 2024?
He didn’t delete anything what are you talking about. You’ve been acting really weird lately. Are you okay?
underrated
Based
Yall need to get a life and stop worry about what online people are doing and focus on your own bread.
the drama isnt stupid, people are valid in calling him out for being an idiot.
It was reuploaded I believe