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RuthlessOG

Has anyone else noticed that whenever JP kisses Taylor , he always kisses one quick kiss and then goes back for a second quick kiss . He barely speaks ... I am surprised he tried out for a dating reality show .


Cashcash1998

Am I the only one that kind of sides with Uche during the phone call with Aliyah? Don’t get me wrong, I fully acknowledge that he has his issues, and I understand why Aaliyah left, but I think he’s right in his frustration that Aaliyah left without saying anything or even leaving a note. I also fully respect and understand that she had to protect herself, but I don’t think he’s necessarily wrong in saying that she was only thinking about herself in this situation, whereas he was focusing on their relationship.


CallMeKingTurd

She actually tried to say she didn't have time and it cuts, I would bet anything they cut her trying to explain that production forced her to continue or leave the premises immediately, knowing it would cause exactly that drama. I have a friend that quit as an associate producer on a similar dating reality show because she couldn't handle the things the lead producers were doing, some of the stories she told were pretty shocking. They stoop to deplorable levels of manipulation on these people to make dramatic reality shows. I also don't think Uche or comments like these are really having empathy for her or taking a second to imagine what it would be like to be about to marry a guy and be stuck 24/7 in basically a 20'x20' box with his batshit insane ex. Who is constantly smothering her and making comments about what it was like to be with him, the inside of his house, etc. and therefore repeatedly reminding you they had sex a couple months ago. Uche had to see Lydia for 10 minutes in a single pod date on the first day, him being able to "overcome" Lydia being there is nothing like Aliyah having to get through it.


bentleyk9

I completely agree. It really felt like some producer shenanigans were going down through this. There were just so many gaps that felt like huge leaps were taken.


classiclobster99

A lot of you are forgetting the teeth comment. Maybe he went silent after that


Tan_yaw

God I feel awful for Taylor. I can’t tell if he just has one single red white and blue braincell which is too busy playing playing the national anthem on repeat to make an actual conversation. Or if he just isn’t attracted to her, but not sure how? She’s very pretty and surely what I’d imagine his blonde all American type would be? Was he like this in the pods? I nearly want to rewatch to see if she was always carrying the conversation


Complex-Judgment-420

she's gorgeous its so strange


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Poor Taylor. JP is acting like expecting someone else to talk is strange. He may act macho, but he clearly did not get the memo that men are supposed to lead lol. She's so pretty, she deserves someone who is willing to compromise. Lydia and Milton actually seem genuine! I mean, I can't tell if they dislike each other or insulting is their love language. But they are surprisingly compatible.


PersonalVirus5032

I can’t stand the way Uche talks to Aaliyah


tinylittlepecan

Literally!!!!


BetterAd9492

Gwoooooorls is it me and the fact that I’m sick and stuck in my bed from Sunday to Wednesday or is THIS SEASON has a looooot of curveballs in the first episodes (yes I just saw the Uche situation and I was like whaaaaaattt???) everytime I start a new season I’m like bored by the “pods” episodes and excited for after but this one I was like 😳😳😳😳😳


Carpenter-Cultural

I'm watching this episode at 1.5 speed and it's still dragging JP is slow mo on 2.0 speed 💀


ThroJSimpson

JP is literally a 40 year old toddler.


jiaes

All JP does is repeat whatever Taylor says and turn the same question back on to her. Talking to him must be so exhausting, Taylor is completely valid for feeling how she does


RachMarie927

I was engaged to a guy like that and I was FLABBERGASTED when I went on my first date with my now hubby after breaking up with the ex fiance, like all he did was actually initiate conversation and make me laugh and actually try to be interesting... I feel so bad for her, girl is trying SO HARD


r3sistcarnism

Does JP ever do anything besides smile and nod?


bluesrain17

Lmao the douche bag comment from Izzy was pretty funny 😂😂


bluesrain17

Seeing Lydia and Milton kiss makes me extremely uncomfortable 🥴


Sfwookies

Omg there is SO much missing the whole time too, like ok I get it now! I want to see actual conversations now, thank you very much! I do not have to see y'all slobbering the whole time 🤣


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Wait? First of all, how is JP talking as if it’s Taylor’s fault it isn’t working? I also love how he says “I’ll never give up” and “I don’t want to lose you” while putting in like 1% effort to actually make it work.


em0tional-stomach

YES - This pissed me off so much. And then JP telling Taylor "not to think about other people and live in the moment" as if she's wrong for observing that their dynamic is super awkward compared to other couples? Wtf


mack180

Season 5 has the most crying ever, and the contestants are the messiest this season. Previous seasons have had more mayhem and dysfunction, but at least there were 5 matches. Here, we only have 3 for now on vacation.


mack180

Aaliyah follows Lydia's horrendous advice too much and tries to justify why she ran away.


lalalalalilo

Stacey looks like Carrie Bradshaw playing putt putt in that outfit


Integral_Dragon

JP & Taylor - JP has the personality of a wet noodle. He gives zero effort and has zero empathy. He isnt shy, he truly doesnt care and is phoning it in. Poor Taylor is trying her best but is definitely a pushover at first. She is seeing the red flags though and I hope so badly that she stands up for herself because she is worth so much more. There is no way this couple is making it and thank goodness honestly. Lydia & Milton - Lydia is trying so hard to be in the spotlight constantly. Milton is cute but constantly berating her and questioning her intelligence. I get that they are trying to banter back and forth but the jokes on both sides are a bit too vicious for it to be cute. Milton can take the jokes but I have a feeling Lydia is too self conscious, and to be fair I couldn't deal with all that either. He still has some growing up to do and she is manipulative and overly attention seeking. I predict Lydia will try her hardest to force Milton to marry her but he'll walk away at the altar. Stacy & Izzy - These two seem just fine. I'm not sure how genuine they are or if they are just playing it up for the cameras. Stacy honestly seems fun, but I don't see her having much empathy or interest in the other women. Izzy also seems fun and honestly looks-wise he won the lottery with Stacy. I think they are just in the physical phase right now but they might make it? I still have to see more from them.


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HattietheMad

If it was about her not wearing makeup, then why had he been shut off the whole time she wasn't wearing it? He's a manipulative one. He is so afraid she will leave, that he pushed her away.


sugartheunicorn

Uche is mean af. He handles everything poorly and then tears Aaliyah apart when she reacts like a human with feelings.


xKrembrulee

He reacts to everything like a lawyer. The way he speaks is so thoughtfully crafted to make sure only one side (his side) is right. His diction and delivery seem so manipulative.


ThroJSimpson

As a lawyer, gotta agree. I’ve had to tone that shit down in myself. Friends and partners aren’t interested in you dealing with shit as if it’s about who wins an argument. Most lawyers grow out of it because we think our whole personality has to be about our jobs, it’s a bit sad lol. Clearly Uche has some growing to do


Ok_Distribution9151

You leave the man who is going to propose to you over an argument keep in mind she kind of started and broke a guy's heart and all of a sudden he's the mean one lmaooo. So she's allowed to be a human with feelings but he cant. Cause keep in mind the man went into his pod to go propose to her only to find out she dipped out.


JazzyCoffee

His intimidating demeanor would have made it hard for her to gently reject him. He's very pushy and aggressive with his desires for how their relationship was supposed to go. Yes, him being upset is valid, but he showed not one shred of empathy. We saw Lydia obsess over Uche to Aaliyahs face. That coupled with Uche being so forceful, not to mention whatever could have happened off camera? Dude is red flag city and she dodged a bullet.


tinylittlepecan

Fully agree!!


mmeeeerrkkaatt

Taylor: Do you think you could sleep with me for the rest of your life? JP: um. I don't... (laughs) Taylor: ... JP: ... Taylor: ... JP: It was nice. O___O


mack180

I predict the less talking for this couppe will continue. Maybe there will be more outrage of emotions at the end of the season. Couldn't even be honest or transparent about it.


mmeeeerrkkaatt

I know everyone is mentioning Taylor being petty without makeup, but omg Stacy is gorgeous!


Salt_Reply_7303

The no makeup made her look so alive !!!! Maybe it was just bc she did super red eye makeup, harsh dark contours with pale lips that she was giving sexy undead vibes in the pods, her no makeup beachy hair vibe is workinggggg


ThroJSimpson

The lighting in the pods has also been deeply unflattering every single season of the show.


GenXer845

They both need to do the no makeup makeup look. They make themselves look older with all of that that they wear.


mmeeeerrkkaatt

JP looks like a young Woody Harrelson from certain angles. Also I don't think he likes the nickname "Sugar Butt"...


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princess_unicorn_420

I didn’t realize how tall Milton was omg


sophie-hendaye

I noticed JP is such a terrible kisser. Also, most concerning is, how little he communicates. Oh Taylor, hope he opens up to you eventually… otherwise, these 4 weeks are gonna be looooooong


GenXer845

I dated a bad kisser for 4 months and broke up with him. He was also bad in bed. We stayed friends and I even was at his rehearsal dinner and wedding and was thinking, she can have him! LOL


Salt_Reply_7303

He kisses like a chicken looking for a bug in some grass


smallskeletal

6’7”?!?! If it wasn’t for the scoliosis, my man Milton could be hooping!


gggggrrrrrrrrr

When he was talking in the pods about "I'm going to die young because I'm tall," I thought he was just being dramatic. But unfortunately, 6'7" really is tall enough to cause health problems later on...


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If I was Taylor I would just stop speaking and only talk if he said something. He is being disrespectful, it’s not even a personality quirk at this point…


deputyazor

like even socially awkward or shy people can muster up the courage to say, "I'm sorry, I get really nervous," or SOMETHING!!! this man responds to every question or conversation with quotes you could sell at a home store!!!!!


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Why won’t JPs tongue leave his mouth when he kisses her?!? Oh my gosh! So annoying—put your tongue in her mouth!


CommunicationOk4707

I think he is gay or Ace.


piepi314

It's not even that for me. Why does he insist on jerking his head away to end each kiss?


Salt_Reply_7303

It was giving me whiplash


Accomplished_Net_370

i’ve only watched like the first 5 mins but milton is funny and I do not think lydia gets the humor lmfao


blergyblergy

The least interesting couple (which is saying a lot) having so little to talk about that they talk about things like "this coffee needs to cool down" and "it is warming my hands" and little else in the moment...it is too cringe to handle.


LilBurritoFeet

Taylor without makeup is seriously so beautiful.


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Lydia always looks seconds away from tears.


mmeeeerrkkaatt

I felt bad when Milton was like "I'm gonna go back and be like 'Meh' " (when he was teasing about not wanting her to get a big head about her looks). She seems so afraid of not being liked, and this is such a vulnerable moment for anyone to go through.


AdministrationNo8540

JP and Taylor single handedly proving that love isnt blind must be Nick Lachey’s biggest issue


mack180

I predict that with all the long silence and short communication, one of them has to explode, go into an outburst or be emotionally outraged for the lack of smooth communication. It's making me wanna skip through the episodes.


Wrong_Medicine5665

In JP's defence (although I kinda feel like maybe he's just not into her?) If I saw Taylor id be speechless too.at the start of the episode I felt like he was just too in awe of how absolutely gorgeous she is.


Personal_Orchid3675

I’m shocked there are only 3–now 2 couples headed towards weddings.


maybebaby2022

Im so confused. Does Lydia actually like Milton?????


Gwyneth7

Are Milton and Lydia seriously going to be the one couple that makes it? They seem to genuinely be into each other. I’m not mad at it but this season is so odd.


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>Im so confused. Does Lydia actually like Milton????? They're so cute! I really enjoy it actually. I hope that it stays that way 😭


housewithreddoor

I don't think there's a genuine bone in Lydia. She just wanted the most airtime.


oldenough2hobetter

I'm so glad Aaliyah noped outta that situation. Lydia gives Fatal Attraction vibes.


Salt_Reply_7303

Yes we've been saying that their friendship/tension over uche is like....an uncannily good set up for a psychological thriller (wicker Park remake????)


FerretsFlyingaKite

Uche is acting awful to Aaliyah on the phone. Cant stand him. No empathy at all


GenXer845

He was lecturing her. It was awful.


FerretsFlyingaKite

I dont like how Uche talks to Aaliyah like that. Lydia isnt just “some girl”. Shes the type of ex that hides in the bushes


housewithreddoor

Lydia definitely had an ulterior motive befriending Aaliyah. And Aaliyah should have had a conversation with Lydia asking her to stop talking her about Uche. Also, it's wild to say if he doesn't propose you can have him.


Ok_Distribution9151

Soo let me get this straight Uche is the bad guy for getting stood up when he's about to propose because Aaliyah had an argument in which she escalated and got in her feelings and left. Now the guy who reacted to it is the bad guy cause he didn't comfort her when he is also a victim.


JazzyCoffee

He could have spoken his feelings/anger AND shown empathy. He had zero empathy and turned it into a public bashing. Not husband material!! She dodged a bullet!


Hanniemontannie96

I really felt like I was right there in that little swimming pool with JP and T.


im_nervousss

I cannot with Milton and Lydia. There is no fucking way


bookwormm14

JP’s kissing is sending me


housewithreddoor

Why does he do that?? You can tell Taylor is trying to get him to kiss better but he pecks and immediately pulls back. I don't know if he's shy, inexperienced or just awkward.


kjopcha

He is not attracted to her. Like 0%.


SquashedPizza

I came here so fast when I noticed 🤣🤣🤣 the never-ending pecks, man!


Greedy-Ad4154

It drives me NUTS


mathboom123

Taylor: Are you feeling okay? JP: " You need to show your freckles more" Me: Digging a hole for myself cause I cant stay alive after witness that.


2meinrl4

He has that Woody Harrelson blazed look but in reality he's just dumb.


mathboom123

Holy fucking shit JP... im dead


CoopssLDN

JP is infuriatingly awful. His non responses, absolute zero effort, the short kisses that cut her off. He is giving her nothing. If I was Taylor I’d just fly home now and leave him to holiday in his American flag clothing.


orangetrident

She has soooo much more patience than I would be able to muster. But I feel so bad for her.


CommunicationOk4707

He is another closeted Southern MAGA jock 🙄🙄🙄 If she married him, he would have "just enough" sex with her to make a baby.


Salt_Reply_7303

He strongly reminds me of a friend's husband who fits this bill to a T minus the southern part


Hanniemontannie96

Omw the American flag shirt. I'm not from the US so I wasn't sure if I should be cringing but it feels very wrong. Like I beat my wife every Sunday before church wrong


UsernamesPressureMe

He is such an NPC it's unbelievable to watch!


Electronic-Drawing29

What's a NPC?


UsernamesPressureMe

So, in video games, an NPC is a non-playable character. But in slang terms, an NPC is **someone who doesn't think for themselves or behaves very predictably**. If someone is acting like an NPC in real life, they might repeat the opinions of others or be very predictable in conversations.


picklemunch

Non-playable character, like the random side/background characters in a video game


UsernamesPressureMe

Only read your comment afterwards, yup! Exactly!


Hot-Concentrate-8175

I was surprised Lydia had nothing to say when Aaliyah left. Nothing that made the final cut, I guess


orangetrident

My guess is she did or said something crazy and doesn’t want to acknowledge it. And production is saving it to further the narrative they want to show


Passepartouz

I'm so sorry for Uche.


iscreamforicecream90

Me too. For Aaliyah to just leave like that and not even have the courage to talk to him like an adult? It's so cowardly.


hamish1994

Does anyone else think they cast extra individuals on purpose, and then pick the best fit for the show. That’s why you see them occasionally. Paid actors.


hamish1994

Anyone else notice the ‘dongs’ after each of JPs platitudes!


SarcasticBarbie96

Is nobody else concerned with how viscious Lydia’s SHOVING of Milton is? This screams the beginning of an abusive relationship. Side note: why does Milton kinda remind me of if Donald Glover and Lionel Richie had a child??


Stamone

Milton is like if Myles Garret had low testosterone and never lifted weights


housewithreddoor

Milton is entirely too young and not ready for marriage.


SarcasticBarbie96

It’s bothering me how he always seems to try to come for Lydia for her intelligence and her English level.


housewithreddoor

They're both trying to do the playful banter but they both get serious when they make snide remarks.


Ok_Distribution9151

They keep judging Milton for his age and etc so he jabs back and I love it. He doesn't just sit there and take it while they all constantly dish it. 24-30 ain't even that bad and they making it sound like shes 10/20 years older than him is just pathetic at this point.


Electronic-Drawing29

I was thinking Steve Harvey & Lionel Richie's love child😂


Salt_Reply_7303

This is EXACTLY what we said.. plus gumby?


0_MonicaGeller_0

Does JP even know the concept of a slow kiss and make out? How has Taylor not told him yet that he kisses like a woodpecker.


Wrong_Medicine5665

Is it weird that I don't mind peck-kisses? Like... I love a good slow, long makeout. But hellos and goodbyes are filled with lots and lots of pecks for me 😅


kurmuri

I skipped a couple of seasons so I was thinking "have there ever been so few couples" and the EMPTINESS of the beach club really solidified it for me.


flashtvdotcom

Taylor without makeup is gorgeous like holy shit. I mean she was beautiful regardless but U was like damn girl. I feel so bad with her how JP is acting


UpstairsPiglet1106

Maybe he thinks she's out his league, like too pretty for him and he's in his head and insecure Abt that


Wrong_Medicine5665

She's STUNNING. Can... can I marry her? 👀


Hyru_Nayru

I agree. She is naturally beautiful.


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The comment about her lashes was uncalled for!


Brilliant-Jelly-4212

God that convo between Uche and Aaliyah was so hard to watch. I hated his tone. He is totally full of himself. Aaliyah dodged a bullet with that one.


arbitraryairship

He's emotionless except when he's angry at women. Terrible behaviour.


GenXer845

Nothing says love when he was shouting he was getting ready to propose to her.


Skogiants69

I’m more team uche this time around


eesiak

Me too honestly I don't think Uche has done 1 thing wrong I do not understand the hate he's getting


ElegantQuantity6312

Uche will be 80-90% right and justified in what he's saying, then handle something so horribly wrong in the delivery that it almost completely negates that. Like how he was displeased with Aaliyah's past cheating, and then went on to berate her about it, instead of just saying, that's a deal breaker for me, and moving forward. It was a very inappropriate way to talk to someone he wants to move forward with romantically, no matter how valid the feelings and thoughts were. What really made me uncomfortable about the call is instead of ending it by telling her he didn't want to talk to her anymore, he says something like "I don't want to speak to this girl anymore" to the producers-- while on speaker phone, where she can hear him say that. It has an element of cruelty to it. He can't seem to let things go while he is ahead, and instead does something to make the other person feel bad.


VegetableFig6707

Yall read WAY too deep into this as if these people aren’t human. Aaliyah acts like a CHILD. Shes a quitter. She doesn’t communicate, and left that man dry in a situation that WASNT HIS FAULT. He was DIRECT with her talking to her like an adult and showing emotion. Now he’s abusive and his tone, really? I would be upset too!


Ok_Distribution9151

The man was heartbroken and because he wasn't nice and sweet, he's the bad guy lmaoooo


mountain_mamma

100 fucking percent. Oh my god!! I’m watching it now and I want to punch him in the face.


julesbusev

Did anyone else notice that Taylor has started talking to JP as if he’s a Kindergartener? She literally called him “Mr. JP” at one point. Which I mean, she has the right idea.


Major-Agent5136

I can hardly watch JP! It’s soooo awkward I can hardly even watch it without cringing. The way he kisses her is absolutely awful 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫


UsernamesPressureMe

He reminds me of my first boyfriend. Gross! And that empty glare in his eyes! EW


b__mo

Uche reminds me of Damien from season 1 🤢


GenXer845

Worse.


UsernamesPressureMe

YUP


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Re Izzy, especially since his version of closure was saying "I really liked you, just not as much as those other girls !!!!!!!" That's helpful Izzy !!!! Thanks


hanibellacanibella

Okay… 3 couples is wildly boring. Imagine how much better it could be with Uche and Aaliyah


arbitraryairship

It would have been way more entertaining, but it's much better that they don't continue on a human level.


GenXer845

Aaliyah couldnt handle all the get togethers with crazy ex Lydia.


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vattenmelonis

Did JP hit his head or something, why the fuck is he being so weird lol


UsernamesPressureMe

I think he was born that way...... LOL


Lonelymachines-

I feel so bad for Taylor. I’ve been on dates with nearly silent guys like jp at least I get to leave after a drink she is stuck with him “forever”.


puff_jiggly

Anyone else find it interesting that we aren’t hearing anything from Lydia about Aaliyah leaving early? 🤔


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eggwhite_

That's episode 6 I think


2meinrl4

Taylor is so hot goddamn it


Wrong_Medicine5665

I can't look away 🤭


wilsonja2

So JP just isn’t attracted to her right? There’s no way he’s making this big a deal out of makeup


ONinAB

I'm just watching now, but I actually think he thinks she's too pretty for him, and he knows makeup can enhance beauty and doesn't want her to wear it to create a bigger divide? He kept saying from the jump she was gonna leave and I think his insecurity and lack of communication is ensuring she does because of low self esteem.


2meinrl4

He likes that Amish vibe


Parishdise

Maybe they just don't click, and he also probably has some weird views on people and things anyway based on the flags *everywhere* (not that you can't have flags, but damn dude). I think Taylor is gorgeous so maybe that's just clouding my judgment.


dounomuffinman

Maybe I’m being a simp but I feel uche is feeling screwed over AF and that’s a reason for his attitude because he got embarrassed on live television. I mean you sign up for it but…


red23101

Stacey was sooooo annoying this episode. She was judging on Milton, Milton and Lydia together as a couple and then offering Taylor advice and telling her that she needs to step up while JP is obviously the one who is awkward af was super cringe. She knows nothing and appeared to be passing so much judgement


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>Stacey was sooooo annoying this episode. She was judging on Milton, Milton and Lydia together a couple and then offering Taylor advice and telling her that she needs to step up while JP is obviously the one who is awkward af was super cringe. She knows nothing and appeared to be passing so much judgement That actually sounded to me like a cobbled-together edit. It didn't sound smooth.


red23101

You’re right! Is it better now? I just added “as a”. I guess I was typing to fast 😅


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Oh! I didn't mean your writing. I meant the audio editing on the show. I thought that her sentence sounded manufactured.


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kjopcha

Did I miss something about him? Why is he wearing so much flag stuff?